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Mate, I have yet to play in a theme I'm actually familiar with pn MS.In post 13, Robert2424 wrote:Hello everyone, I'm actually not familiar with this them, somebody want to give me a brief.
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@Percy:
Does this phrasing tell you he's a newbie or an old player with a new alt?In post 27, Enter wrote:I haven't played enough recently
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OK, so your voting him because he's NOT a newbie? In other words, you would have given him some slack had he been a newbie, but you're not accepting his play as an experienced player?In post 95, Persivul wrote:
It came up in the hood. It's an alt. He's tr1ckster, aka extrapolated eagle. I saw that he replaced into a newbie slot in a newbie game, but that's allowed if no real newbie replacements are available.In post 91, Almost50 wrote:@Percy:
Does this phrasing tell you he's a newbie or an old player with a new alt?In post 27, Enter wrote:I haven't played enough recently
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Pf course, I could go with "there's no resistance to the wagon" to try and defend Enter, but I'd be a hypocrite because I actually do NOT have a read on Enter, and because early flash-wagons have netted us scum at least twice before (iirc those were games with Mathdino), so I;m neither for nor against the wagon on Enter.. until I get to understand it (ir until he gives me something to sink my teeth into).
So..
@Everyone voting Enter (aside from Percy, obviously): Please ISO him and let me know which post(s) make him a good lynch to you.
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To my recollection you said you hated each and every single post of his, which is a notion I certainly do NOT share. I thus would appreciate it if you included 2-3 quotes and specified what exactly you hated about them.In post 101, skitter30 wrote:i think i've indicated what i don't like about him? do you agree/disagree/other?
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That'sIn post 110, BrightEyedFish wrote:
A50 hasn't claimed but he has most likely crumbed his role in such a way that none of our feeble minds can see it right now.In post 70, Persivul wrote:A50 hasn't claimed yet, so he's probably 3P.VeryTrue.
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I never made that role lynchproof. He was Ascetic with 2-shot BP non-weak Hider Survivour.In post 142, mcqueen wrote:
I’m actually an ascetic bulletproof lynchproof survivor.In post 141, Almost50 wrote:
That'sIn post 110, BrightEyedFish wrote:
A50 hasn't claimed but he has most likely crumbed his role in such a way that none of our feeble minds can see it right now.In post 70, Persivul wrote:A50 hasn't claimed yet, so he's probably 3P.VeryTrue.
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So, Varsoon is Voteless? Either that or he's a NON_STANDARD Actor. (Standard Actor gets modkilled if their vote isn't the Hammer).
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Listen, mate. I'm crazy and I know it. I am also paranoid in this game. It thus gives me strange ideas why you said that. Iirc, Varsoon is Voteless, so theoretically you may have been informed that a player in the setup is and was wondering if that was me. OF COURSE I could be way off the mark, but I'm just being transparent about my thoughts (something you will rarely see me doing at all)In post 165, Enter wrote:Really want to see a vote from almost50. Also this is intent to hammer about 4 hours after I get to L-1 again.
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How about Nine Inch Nails? What about Metallica? I would go on, but at this point I feel like Nothing Else Matters.In post 172, Robert2424 wrote:Idk about Nirvana
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Tell me something new.In post 195, skitter30 wrote:i think you might be scum here tbh
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In post 215, Chara wrote:i'm putting some weight into skitter's Almost read, so we'll see where that goes.
So let me get this straight: You are sheeping skitter on me, and she is sheeping you on me?? Am I such a pain in the neck to read that everyone seems to be denying responsibility for a mere preliminary read based on tone/gut?
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Hmmm.. say, why the freak am I signing my posts??
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And I could OMGUS, sure
VOTE: skitter
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No, No. It's the former. I rolled something unthinkable. It's way OP scum have to try and shoot me tonight. And to make matters worse, I am also Macho, so cannot be protected.In post 285, redtea wrote:Wonder if Almost50 has a weird role, or just isn't interested in this game.
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@Mod: V/LA for the next 24 hours(Actually it's a preemptive cautionary V/LA that will hopefully never come into effect)
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Why is it bad to leave a vote on someone -even you no longer SR them- when: A) You have not thought of a better wagon to join, and B) the wagon you're on isIn post 325, Chara wrote:actually no, i'm a fool.
VOTE: minyu
he's still voting skitter and liked my explanation.@L-5???
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@skitter: Calling every post I make, every claim, every move & every vote scummy isn't healthy for me. I am starting to feel like you've applied to the "let's scum read A50" club. I've proved it to you once and once again that leaving me be on D1 is a good idea, and IF I'm still alive on D2 THEN you can come at me with all you've got. Your behaviour IN EVERY GAME WE PLAY TOGETHER is detrimental to my play style. I hope you get the subtle hint out of that.
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@implo: You're a;ready a member of that club, so no problem there.
@skitter: KK.. no problemo. Now all scum!me has to do is shoot you tonight.
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??? You mean there's no list of neighborhood members on the OP of the neighborhood PT??In post 376, BrightEyedFish wrote:At the time I posted that question we were only aware of 3 people in the neighborhood.
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@mcqueen: I'm gonna say something stupid and likely to hit you as scummy, but I will say it anyway: I don't want to lynch BEF regardless of his alignment. I've seen him lynched early often enough as either alignment I'd actually want him to be alive a bit longer in this game (as long as he doesn't fake claim or fake guilty anyone)
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How do you know there "only" 4 members then???In post 399, Enter wrote:
There is not.In post 396, Almost50 wrote:
??? You mean there's no list of neighborhood members on the OP of the neighborhood PT??In post 376, BrightEyedFish wrote:At the time I posted that question we were only aware of 3 people in the neighborhood.
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I am "Over 50" now, but I hate to quit on the handle that got all the hype associated with.In post 422, Varsoon wrote:Don't recall skittles at all.
A50's tone, I think. That cheekiness. Maybe it's just how A50 posts. I also wonder if that dude's 50 or older yet and if when he does turn 50, he'll make a new account since he won't be almost 50 any longer.
having said that, I do have a couple of outed alts, and I may or may not have other alts that are not outed yet. (The outed alts are: AP (a cheeky troll impersonating Austin Powers) and Judge Joseph Dredd (You know I'm a fan of Mr. I AM THE LAW, aka Sly).
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I'm not. Reading you is easier on D2/D3, so why should I bother giving it a real shot today? And besides, I'm busy decorating my grave and stuffing my seat in the dead thread with lots of fresh potato chips and apple juice to enjoy watching the rest of the game.In post 432, skitter30 wrote:@a50 how are you reading me?
P.S. If you're specidically referring to my vote being still on you, I've explained earlier that there's nothing wrong in being lazy to unvote when I don't have a new voting target to push and your wagon being literally a vanity wagon with just one vote on you (unless my voting powers are proportional with my age, in which case I should always be a double to you or even treble voter to someone like Creature).
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You don't like potato chips?In post 496, mcqueen wrote:
The top part of this post makes me want to lynch youIn post 433, Almost50 wrote:
I'm not. Reading you is easier on D2/D3, so why should I bother giving it a real shot today? And besides, I'm busy decorating my grave and stuffing my seat in the dead thread with lots of fresh potato chips and apple juice to enjoy watching the rest of the game.In post 432, skitter30 wrote:@a50 how are you reading me?
P.S. If you're specidically referring to my vote being still on you, I've explained earlier that there's nothing wrong in being lazy to unvote when I don't have a new voting target to push and your wagon being literally a vanity wagon with just one vote on you (unless my voting powers are proportional with my age, in which case I should always be a double to you or even treble voter to someone like Creature).
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It's cheaper than the parking lot downtown.In post 522, Persivul wrote:A50, why do you have a vote parked on skitter?
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You shouldn't be playing with 2 alts in the same game, skitter.In post 532, Papa Zito wrote:I'll catch up at lunch today.
@Mod:Forgot to mention I have a standing V/LA on weekends, sorry.
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I wish there were more of your type, buddy. Thanks.In post 533, BrightEyedFish wrote:If I had to pick a top TR right now, that would beredteaAlmost50.
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Not exactly, but statistically a 5 person wagon has a higher probability of the 3rd slot being scum than the other 4. I used to use that in my own scum hunting when I started playing, so I do understand. (I forgot the exact distribution and I think it only related to D1 mislynches in Newbie games though)In post 534, Varsoon wrote:Wait, scum only ever jumps on wagons as a third vote?
This is news to me.
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^The statistics, not the whole concept. It was statistically proven over a course of numerous NEWBIE GAMES.
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"all threats" =/= multi-ball on my book. Just saying.In post 539, BrightEyedFish wrote:
I got the sense that there might be more than 2 factions by reading my Role PM maybe redtea got the same vibe. Perhaps if elbirn had a town role pm he might understand that.In post 538, Varsoon wrote:Alright I don't think I understand your last paragraph in post 533 then
Players having an unwarranted fixation for 3P on D1 does tilt info knowledge that's not readily available for town, so I can at least understand why Elbirn would scumread/want to pressure that.
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I think this is an odd question to ask me.In post 548, Enter wrote:A50 what do you think of this post?
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I did read it initially, and then once again when you asked me about it. Varsoon is not talking to me and I do not usually intervene when someone is engaging someone else in an apparent attempt to get a better read on them. It's not my place to interrupt the conversation between the two of them.In post 554, Enter wrote:
@A50In post 527, Varsoon wrote:What makes you scumread Elbirn so hard?
And, really, a hesitation to townread any slot--can you go more into that? Even players like Zito and A50?
What do you think of the questions asked in this post?
What do you think of the implications of this post?
Did you see this post and not respond to it on your read through because it was not addressed to you, or did you just kind of skim over it and not feel like there was anything to not from this post?
As for the questions, I think they convey a certain way of thinking that's going through Varsoon's head, and -again- it's his prerogative to express his thoughts however he feels best. He can imply he hard TRs a slot or is skeptical about another, or that he can't understand the logic behind someone else's argument.
My question is: WHY are you asking ME SPECIFICALLY about something VARSOON SAID. Why not ask him? Why didn't you ask Zito about them implications?
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Ok, since "that game" is over, I can now declare skitter as a confident TR of mine. As annoying to me as she might be in this game, she has proven that she can't post like this as scum.
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Erm, Chara & Robert know exactly what I'm talking about. Right?
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In post 586, skitter30 wrote:his tone is at best nai, if not actually scummy
And you should know better. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture. (I -of course- won't tell you what to look for. At least not until I can mimic my scum play as Town in this very aspect).
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I won't comment on myself, but I've been trying to figure a way to read Percy's play for 3 years now, and I have yet to figure out how tell his alignment through his play, reads, votes.. etc.In post 596, implosion wrote:A50 and Persivul are null because I don't know how to confidently read into what they do yet.
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Note: I was as confident as it gets that Percy was scum in our previous game together, and he kept asserting I was scum from the get go. It took us 5 days (and his own flip) to realize we were both wrong.
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I can understand Chara's skepticism of me though. Eveninside our own hydra PTthey sometimes get confused as to what I'm doing. It's a matter of playing styles differences. Ironically, I believe that's one major reason why our hydra works just fine. Two people who play totally different from each other, so even inside the hydra PT we are having fun debating our play, reads and what not.
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Robert is one of 4 slots I have absolutely no reads on. Why is he scum to you?
P.S. The other 3 are you, redtea and Percy. Toss in implosion and mcqueen and you get my 6-players lynch pool. I just can't get to decide which of them to vote over the others, and I need a case (i.e. not a gut read).
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You were conf!town to me the minute you claimed Ascetic + Hated. Knowing you, you don't fake claim much, and even if you tried to; you wouldn't go that far as scum, especially since both modifiers could be tested/verified, so I believe your claim. Now what mod makes scum "hated"??In post 638, Chara wrote:what's your read on me? if it's town, you can go ahead and take mcqueen out of your lynchpool. :> and no, it's not gut, but i don't feel like going into a longwinded explanation when he's in no danger of being lynched.
but more concerned with how you're reading me here and why.
If course, your play did help cement that read, but I'm telling you when it started and why. You were my first read of the game, actually.
As for mcqueen, I trust your reads only when we hydra, but I can't assume you're spot on without knowing the reason(s) behind that read. (Now I'm not asking you to out your reasoning now, but I refer you to 2 examples where I know you continuously get confused: Myself and MariaR)
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In post 643, skitter30 wrote:yeah so like basically this should have been a thing like late last week or so? i know you know how to tell the difference between my town game and scum game so i was kinda confused why you wouldn't answer a straight-up question as to whether or not you were townreading me because while i wasn't really expecting reasoning given ongoing games, i was expecting a townread; i'm not sure why you've been vote-parking me really given that context either
also like 341 was really really really confusing given the timing? since that post was fake and pre-arranged basically i couldn't tell where you were going with this one so i kinda dropped it but yeahSpoiler:
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Just bc you asked nicely.In post 660, skitter30 wrote:Can all 5 of you sitting on a vanity wagon, like, not be?
VOTE: Redtea
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In post 669, Persivul wrote:It isn't rocket surgery.
This is enough for me to have you in my "I don't want to lynch EVER" list.
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1- Where did I say I was putting off readIn post 690, mcqueen wrote:I love potato chips. Why are you so focused on the dead thread and putting off reads until tomorrow if you're alive?? I only said that regarding skitters
2- Keep on reading. Maybe you will see some explanation mentioned later on (as to why I was trying to avoid giving a read on skitter)specifically
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Yes. I thought they were crumbing Masons too (or rather Enter was).In post 836, Elbirn wrote:Thought enter and red tea were hinting at masons when I changed course.. This is much worse
Due to having no explicit members list on that Neighborhood I cannot exclude the possibility there might have been a "sleeper" though. Someone who was a member and didn't post at all, but was keeping an eye to discern info to help scum. But isn't a 6-player Neighborhood a bit too large for a 13-players game? That is unless these were our only 2 PRs and it's now a mountainous game.
P.S. This should go without saying, but I had better make it clear:
. Thank you.If I am wrong and we still have PR(s), please let me be.DO NOT CLAIM, CRUMB OR OTHERWISE HINT IT.Not unless you would do so anyway (as in: You have a guilty you wish to declare)
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LOL. Yes, ma'am. (More grass please. baaaa)In post 850, skitter30 wrote:@a50 can you vote papa zito please?
VOTE: Papa Zito
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Did you read the flips? Enter wasn't shot last night. Or am I misunderstanding?In post 856, skitter30 wrote:if they aren't in the hood then they wouldn't shoot for the lovers; if they aren't in the hood shooting redtea is dumb and idk why they shoot enter last night either really
@Percy/BEF/Zito: Did Enter also claim his Commute shot in the PT?
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You're missing that redteaIn post 863, skitter30 wrote:it looks like he can choose which night to commute? or am i missing somethingdied at nightwhile Entercommitted suicide at dawn, maybe?
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I mean, if I'm no confusing my games (again) I think it is safe to say scum shot redtea and not Enter.
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@Varsoon: You're very perceptive of late. I say no more "hinting" and you straight up claim you have a night action? WTF?
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I have. I played him as both alignments and he doesn't make sense as either, so if you catch any contradictions don't make much of them as that's definitely NAI for him.In post 912, Varsoon wrote:Has anyone else here played with BEF as scum before?
Disclaimer: I am NOT calling him a bad player. In fact, I think he is one with a genuine style. I just have yet to figure out how to tell his alignment based on what type of confusion he's spreading.
Back to the quoted, I think I have to reiterate: ENTER WAS NOT SHOT OVER ANYONE. ENTER WAS NOT SHOT AT ALL.
According to what has been said so far Enter SR both BEF AND redtea (Enter's own Lover). Obviously that was not reason enough to spare redtea, and if I was scum and had the option to shoot between redtea and BEF I would definitely shoot the former 10 times out of 10, just because BEF is always scummy and is very much mislynchable ( I recall his gambit on Overkill2, and the one before that when he claimed a Day Cop when he was effectively a "named townie" and got himself lynched on D1). STOP PUSHING THE LOW HANGING FRUIT.
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Perhaps you weren't paying attention, but based on my experience with BEF I wouldn't put much weight on anything he "claims"..In post 938, Papa Zito wrote:2. BEF claimed the ability to conftown, making a mislynch extremely unlikelyas town! I understand you may or may not have played with him before, but I have and I've come to the conclusion I need to play another much more with him in order to begin to understand how he plays (which makes playing with him more fun because I'm genuinely challenged to deduce a way of reading him correctly).
Sp far, all I can say is this "looks" more like town!him than scum!him, and town!BEF is more likely to say "I can confirm myself" when he actually can't. In fact, he could very well have been trying to bait the NK unto himself and his gambit didn't work.
Also something I remembered now that may or may not have anything to do with the game: redtea hinted there might be a 3P role in-play. I went back to reread his PM (and Enter's) and could find any redacted info, and the phrasing of either doesn't suggest any 3P roles. This is irrelevant in itself, butIF there isa 3P killer then they may have been the one to have shot redtea, and the group scum kill may have been saved (If there's a Doctor/Jailer .. etc, please keep this in mind and use it IF we ever flip a 3P killing role)
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*Sigh*
Not 100% convinced, and I still would rather Papa Zito, but in order to fully pocket skitter I have to be an obedient boy for now
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My trick has been nicely executed. Well done me.In post 966, skitter30 wrote:well i wasn't really paranoid till you posted this so ...
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ObviouslyIn post 974, BrightEyedFish wrote:I would like to know what types of roles/modifiers would make a day action unsuccessful.Asceticcomes to mind first. Ascetic means they cannot be targeted by a non-killing action and it doesn't matter whether that's a day or a night action. If you targeted Chara I will pursue your lynch regardless because Chara did claim the Ascetic modifier, so let's hope you targeted just about anyone else.
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Which reminds me:In post 976, Chara wrote:any other reason would be a condition on your own role, which you should already know.
so i don't understand the point of your question. you aren't a newbie as far as i can tell.
@BEF: If you are Loyal/Disloyal you targeted someone scum/town and got reflexively blocked for it.
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So I take it that youIn post 983, BrightEyedFish wrote:If you all can just forget this, forgive me and let me redeem myself tomorrow that would be very gracious.
target Chara?did
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