I've lost my lotus tile. Most people think the lotus tile insignificant, but it is essential for the unusual strategy that I employ.
VOTE: Marashu
For my Pai Sho game. Most people think the lotus tile insignificant, but it is essential for the unusual strategy that I employ.
I feel like I need to relearn this lesson every game with himIn post 83, Dwlee99 wrote:James you're going to get nowhere trying to sort Cyrus by his opinion on PGO.
Unfortunately true lolIn post 104, Dwlee99 wrote:Cyrus is just like that idkIn post 87, JamesTheNames wrote:Either from the "can't answer this" when there was nothing to answer, or from the "yet" implying he has some impressive revelation to reveal later in the game.In post 86, JamesTheNames wrote:Do you not think it implies he didn't end up as town?In post 85, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't understand
He thinks you guessing the rolls means you must be that roleIn post 107, JamesTheNames wrote:Come again?In post 105, cyrus62 wrote:btw james left a super big crumb how else would he know it was 7,7,1
You assume I left a super big crumb, and proceed to reveal what you think is a super big crumb?
You think I bread crumbed a power role, where people have stated openly that the role shouldn't claim?
I think James is town. Also, James you're wasting your time trying to reason with CyrusIn post 165, JamesTheNames wrote:I'm sat here going "look at me im so town"?In post 147, cyrus62 wrote:is that better . i so think your not pro team but anti team and you are just siting here going look at me im so town.In post 144, JamesTheNames wrote:You haven't answered 107 nor 130.In post 143, cyrus62 wrote:so t3 rolled . Town Multitasking Voyeur
very weak. maybe it got fudged by mod to make it better.
Why is this?
My points against you had posts backing them up. Can you back this up? I know you can't but I'd like you to try.
Not a single one of my posts has a hint of LAMIST. I haven't made an argument that I'm town to anybody once. The only time I've commented on my alignment, was my previous role, and the fact that I'm not certain town roles. So this isn't a point against me you just are throwing words around as a form of OMGUS.
I think this comes from town!cyrusIn post 198, cyrus62 wrote:t3 is pro team. this time around. i cant get a solid read on dw yet though this guy scares me its like he always acts the same no matter what he roles.
Policy limming Cyrus is Nero's favorite past timeIn post 281, Nero Cain wrote:I mean we could kill u and call it a dayIn post 279, cyrus62 wrote:are we even going to scum hunt or just mec talk all day.
Cyrus definitely didn't say 7 with the intention to fake claim PGO in the future. It's just so unlikely he plans that far ahead to make a fake claim. James, I'm assuming you haven't played with Cyrus before, right? Stop trying to make him make sense, he never does even when he's townIn post 368, JamesTheNames wrote:Last comment before I disappear again for a little while, I'm 99% sure cyrus62 didn't actually roll PGO or he didn't roll town.
JamesTheNames' explanation:
He at first just declared he rolled a 7 somewhere. I believe he intended to use this, to fake claim PGO at some point in the future. After people started to claim he had to insert the 7 somewhere, so he just put it at the front. I don't think he expected someone to realise it was PGO so early on, and hence the weird response when I outed it. I'm confident either a scum partner of his "rolled PGO", or nothing at all. He could definitely be lying about his role, and actually be the one who rolled a Mason-type for Dwlee99.
Just feels like a wasted lim tbh. Otherwise I'd just lim Cyrus as the very first lim in every game I'm in with him because he's always anti townIn post 395, JamesTheNames wrote:All the more reason to hammer then?In post 378, Dragon of the West wrote:Stop trying to make him make sense, he never does even when he's town
Anti-town is anti-town. Even if a person always acts in an anti-town fashion or a weird fashion does not change that fact.
I'm not overly confident Cyrus is town, it's just that I've seen town!cyrus act totally anti town. He tends to get tunneled and entire day phases get wasted focused on him.In post 413, redtea wrote:like i want to believe's dragon's read because he's played with you before but I'm not convinced.
You might be right. I'm willing to listen to why policy limming him every game is the right move, it just seems like a free mislim for scum when he's town thoughIn post 399, JamesTheNames wrote:I suspect this is a policy matter we are going to just have to agree to disagree on.In post 398, Dragon of the West wrote:Just feels like a wasted lim tbh. Otherwise I'd just lim Cyrus as the very first lim in every game I'm in with him because he's always anti townIn post 395, JamesTheNames wrote:All the more reason to hammer then?In post 378, Dragon of the West wrote:Stop trying to make him make sense, he never does even when he's town
Anti-town is anti-town. Even if a person always acts in an anti-town fashion or a weird fashion does not change that fact.
Closer to Melo, as in limmed before melo but later in the game. I would never want to let him get TO Melo.In post 415, redtea wrote:Spoiler: @Dragon
In post 336, Dragon of the West wrote:
Cyrus is permanent VI in my mind, I don't really care about limming there until like closer to Melo unless it's just absolutely assured he's scum
if he's either scum or VI then why in the world would you save him for melo
In post 336, Dragon of the West wrote:
scum
Guess I'll see how cakez catch-up goes but I'm tempted to sheep T3 on his Cakez read
why's that
1) You can push Cyrus if you like at this point, and you could be right that he's scum. I guess my thought process was:In post 421, JamesTheNames wrote:@Dragon of the West, 2 things:
1) Why are you so determined to stop be pushing cyrus62? I'd understand a comment or two, but 6/13 of your posts relate basically to people wasting time pushing / policy voting cyrus62. I don't think this is AI I just find it really strange, it would be far too convenient for this to be a scum defence after all.
2) Why do you think an increase in Thor Ragnarok's activity would be scum indicative? I really had Thor Ragnarok pegged as a Jester, but nobody rolled it (provided people told the truth), and I can't think of a single case where a person wouldn't out a Jester existing.
I mean alignment rolls are just probability, the odds of not rolling a balanced alignment setup is pretty reasonable. Just requires the mod to change the alignment dice to make correct team numbersIn post 444, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Looks like we have 10-2-1 by claims. It seems likely there are people lying considering the alignment distribution
My role could not have come from multitasking voyeurIn post 501, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:If your role could have originally come from town voyeur multitasking, please claim that it could have - but dont claim your full role. If it could not have, please also note that it could not have.
For now I'll VOTE: RMH
I wasn't sure if I wanted to claim the modifier because I wanted to think through if keeping it a secret could conftown anyone or bring some sort of advantage to town...if the original modifier was kept, it would likely be possible to confirm it D2. But if it wasn't kept we'd have a conftown essentially because we'd know the modifier is what changed...I guess the possibility of having a cult messes up having conftown, though; and now that I'm thinking about it scum could just not use the modifier to seem conftown...bleh. Also, your reasoning for late game claim and mechanics makes a lot of sense.In post 508, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Dragon is a part of the list because town/neighborizer/none is only one roll (the role die) apart from all of the other "town/[insert role here]/none" claims. So town Neighborizer, town pgo, town rolecop, and 2 town roleblockers - all of these claimed no modifier. Technically cakes with 2 modifiers could have had trolls that resulted in no modifier as well so he is included too
I guess my question is how do you know thatIn post 514, cyrus62 wrote:the good news is no one got God farther
Redtea honestly feels a little fabricated. Might be because I haven't played with them before, but it just doesn't feel like genuine posting. Like the meta 'reads' are easy enough filler to fake as scumIn post 520, redtea wrote:i'm so glad kyouko can do mechanics analysis AND scumhunt. a godsend. get you a girl who can do both
ill sheep kyouku on rmh if we cant get cyrus today
and now
i present my case
recent cyrus town:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87032
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87116
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86803
also recent cyrus town, more similar to his play this game but noticeably different
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=86947
this is cyrus scum. On one hand, this seems to have been his first scum game after a hiatus. On the other hand, it looks more like his play this game than the others.
(actually- is this his only scum game so far?)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86913
i have other posts half-written but im tired after meta-ing again lol. ill come back to them later....
this is dedicationIn post 584, JamesTheNames wrote:Quick warning, waiting on mobile and laptop repairs, so my post quality will decrease as I'm posting from my PlayStation's web browser.
My issue with your meta posts more specifically is that you say something really nondescript like "They're acting similar to this game I linked"...but don't expand on what is similar or what about the similarities is actually scum indicative or town indicative. I could read an ISO if I wanted, but that's not telling me what you're actually getting out of them. Part of this also comes from the fact that I don't like metadiving. I'll use my familiarity with players from previous games I've played with them, but I'm not reading through old games I wasn't a part of and didn't have to think through in the moment to guide my opinion on a current game
Trying to flesh out this thought, why would scum do 371 and 551?In post 690, JamesTheNames wrote:If you were actually town, 371 and 551 would narrow your role for scum, why would town do this? They wouldn't. 590 seems like a poor excuse for this.
Also, I didn't understand how claiming it was not on the list would benefit scum until this Kyo post...and it seems you didn't fully grasp it either. So saying someone else is scum, especially for what wasn't clear or discussed until AFTER their posts you're saying are scummy, seems really hypocriticalIn post 589, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:No, I'll explain with a hypothetical. Let's say I was given a scum role, but I rolled town rampaging doctor. If I'm scum, I could lie about what I rolled. Then, if someone says "my role isn't on the list", I know that person is way more likely to be the rampaging doctor I rolled. If we claim "on the list" or "not on the list", it gives info to scum without giving anything equivalent back to town.In post 564, JamesTheNames wrote:How would they narrow anything down though? If you were in a normal newbie game and said "I'm one of the 9 roles" it doesn't reveal what you actually are. The same applies here does it not?In post 563, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:No this is why people weren't supposed to claim if something matches exactly - if scum rolled your role and lied about it they now know what you haveIn post 562, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm saying my role isn't what that someone claimed and if my modifier also doesn't match up to a claim then we know someone lied because only one dice can be changed by mod in someone's role.In post 560, Nero Cain wrote:It seemed like to me he's just saying that he has a role that someone rolled
Damn, that would've been a good crumb. I was just quoting my favorite show and Cyrus played into it by inadvertently saying the next line. Those two posts weren't identical, btw.In post 783, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Dragon crumbled Doubled in his first 2 posts btw - he repeated that quote about the Lotus tile word for word. This was before Dragon should have known about a multitasking role, so if we flip any multitasking scum, Dragon needs to go (assuming we've already caught cult)
Disagree with this because the roles could have been strengthened or had the alignment changed. It doesn't necessarily create conftownIn post 820, T3 wrote:Specifically the Even Night Parity Cop, Multitasking Voyeur, and Odd Night Roleblocker.
James this was @ you btw, I'd like your thoughts on how this relates to your Dwlee readIn post 695, Dragon of the West wrote:Also, I didn't understand how claiming it was not on the list would benefit scum until this Kyo post...and it seems you didn't fully grasp it either. So saying someone else is scum, especially for what wasn't clear or discussed until AFTER their posts you're saying are scummy, seems really hypocriticalIn post 589, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:No, I'll explain with a hypothetical. Let's say I was given a scum role, but I rolled town rampaging doctor. If I'm scum, I could lie about what I rolled. Then, if someone says "my role isn't on the list", I know that person is way more likely to be the rampaging doctor I rolled. If we claim "on the list" or "not on the list", it gives info to scum without giving anything equivalent back to town.In post 564, JamesTheNames wrote:How would they narrow anything down though? If you were in a normal newbie game and said "I'm one of the 9 roles" it doesn't reveal what you actually are. The same applies here does it not?In post 563, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:No this is why people weren't supposed to claim if something matches exactly - if scum rolled your role and lied about it they now know what you haveIn post 562, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm saying my role isn't what that someone claimed and if my modifier also doesn't match up to a claim then we know someone lied because only one dice can be changed by mod in someone's role.In post 560, Nero Cain wrote:It seemed like to me he's just saying that he has a role that someone rolled
Tbh Nero this was fair. I was just drunk and hoping something interesting would happen in this game lolIn post 919, Nero Cain wrote:your post is kinda dumb and it aggravates me.
Hmmm...do you think him pushing NAI stuff as AI is more likely to be scum or just bad town?In post 1033, Dwlee99 wrote:It's the strongest lead I have so probably about 60%In post 1031, Dragon of the West wrote:Dwlee what's your confidence on your James scumread?
I don't think word vomit is townie, no. That was a separate thought for why I think they might be scum.In post 1036, Dwlee99 wrote:Do you think word vomit is townie? I think more likely to be scum due to his reaction to my push. I think he has started playing way more cautious as a reaction to my push on him and hasn't done any real solving since my initial push on him.
In post 596, Dragon of the West wrote:Redtea honestly feels a little fabricated. Might be because I haven't played with them before, but it just doesn't feel like genuine posting. Like the meta 'reads' are easy enough filler to fake as scumIn post 520, redtea wrote:i'm so glad kyouko can do mechanics analysis AND scumhunt. a godsend. get you a girl who can do both
ill sheep kyouku on rmh if we cant get cyrus today
and now
i present my case
recent cyrus town:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87032
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87116
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86803
also recent cyrus town, more similar to his play this game but noticeably different
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=86947
this is cyrus scum. On one hand, this seems to have been his first scum game after a hiatus. On the other hand, it looks more like his play this game than the others.
(actually- is this his only scum game so far?)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86913
i have other posts half-written but im tired after meta-ing again lol. ill come back to them later....
In post 651, Dragon of the West wrote:My issue with your meta posts more specifically is that you say something really nondescript like "They're acting similar to this game I linked"...but don't expand on what is similar or what about the similarities is actually scum indicative or town indicative. I could read an ISO if I wanted, but that's not telling me what you're actually getting out of them. Part of this also comes from the fact that I don't like metadiving. I'll use my familiarity with players from previous games I've played with them, but I'm not reading through old games I wasn't a part of and didn't have to think through in the moment to guide my opinion on a current game
@GammaIn post 652, Dragon of the West wrote:So if someone's going to do that, I want to see WHAT is similar and why they feel it's indicative
Pretty sure Nero is voting ThorIn post 1050, Cook wrote:
Why would anyone trust you to use a strong role you don't know how to use if you're townIn post 1040, Thor Ragnarok wrote:Trust me, it'd be a bad idea to vote me out. I don't really know how to use my role but it has a lot of potential if I target the right person with it, just trust me on this one.
If you want to vote me out because you think scum will recruit me, fair enough, I get it, but otherwise it's a really bad idea.
Idk The Other Thor but I'll go back to redtea if the votes are there. I don't like Thor's reaction to receiving votesIn post 1059, Gamma Emerald wrote:no, but tbh he strikes me as perhaps similar to The Other Thor
Cyrus, this whole game is based around people lying. I don't really know what to say if you're so fragile being scum that you have to lash out. But my point wasn't that you were definitely lying; it's that if you're lying about being VT then I'm fine limming a liar and if you aren't lying then limming an unhelpful, anti-town VT is probably the best mislim we could haveIn post 1080, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: cakes your omging needs work. @ dragon of the west. i stated no one should claim anything and that i recommend every one claim vt also i have shown countless of times why vt can exists so calling me a flat out lire here is kinda of offensive.
Also, why would you ask the neighborizer to target you? What if they're a town neighborizer?In post 401, Thor Ragnarok wrote:I really don't know how to use my role and I'd love some advice for how to use it
If there's a neighborizer or recruiter, just talk to me now so I can get pointers early before I use it on someone I shouldn't
Mega claimed their initial roll was a cult bus driver. That is why, in general, people think there's probably a cult in the game. The main scenario where there isn't a cult is if mega lied about their initial roll to lead us to hunting a cult that doesn't exist. No way mega outs the cult roll of they themselves are cult, so your slot isn't cult. With the assumptions that mega didn't lie and the cult portion of their roll wasn't fudged (which I don't think it would be given the setup specs), there's a cultIn post 1173, Gamma Emerald wrote:what is this trying to sayIn post 1170, cyrus62 wrote:There is no if it was rolled.In post 1169, Dwlee99 wrote:If there is a cult it isn't gamma
Nah, I'm just not sure of people's alignments before they flip because I'm town. And this being our first game together means I have no basis for how you tend to play so reading you D1 is that much harder. I'm trash at D1 reads in general and I don't understand how people tend to be so overly confident of reads this early in a gameIn post 1191, redtea wrote:and to the left you can see scum covering his ass with the classic "maybe im wrong tho :/"In post 1058, Dragon of the West wrote:Have you played with redtea before? This is the first time I've played with them so I'm afraid I'm reading into their play wrong
(update: this was the point in my catching-up I thought scum might be successful in pushing my elim. I believe that is what Dragon was planning for here with this post)
Either that or even-night just got switched to odd-night to make it a little strongerIn post 1271, Dwlee99 wrote:My rampaging modifier probably got modified to odd-night so then there's an odd-night and even-night parity cop. I buy it. Who are we wagoning? We don't have much time
Yes lmaoIn post 1330, Dwlee99 wrote:Wait did I just accidentally catch Cyrus lol
That's not even how it works. You'd have to check him N1 and someone different N2 and all it would tell you is if they're the same or different alignmentsIn post 1323, cyrus62 wrote:i fucking lied as a gambit for the 1st time it payed off i am town parity cop with no mod i can check him and se if he is green or red.