I don't have time to read through right now, but will soon.
And don't hammer me.
In post 426, Voidedmafia wrote:Also, I did ask you to explain why you voted me, or did you forget that?
In post 451, Fishythefish wrote:L-1 again. Macro should get his will in order, and then claim, and then get lynched.
In post 453, Rhinox wrote:4nxi3ty, I disagree. Macro's push on voided wasn't actually that great IMO. I did not feel like macro's vote was a joke. Voided's reaction wasn't that great, but that may be a separate issue. Independant thoughts - eh scum and town replacements both do that, come in and iso the game and make a big post and everybody goes ooooh aaahhhh see that couldn't possibly come from scum. Except when it does. I'm more interested in the content of the thoughts - page by page iso, lots of "this is what happened's". Lots of unexplained YYY looks town, ZZZ looks scum. Anybody can throw that together. I'm also not a fan that Macro made an accusation towards me in #413, which I responded to, and Macro completely ignored and restated as part of a long winded wishy-washy case towards me (often those come from scum) in #430, as well as ignoring the question I asked him/her about her (I'm just going to use her until you set a gender) about her voided/vincent Pre-"joke" vote read. And its not like she's not reading my posts at all - she seemed to catch where I said I was a having doubts about lynching her, so she's clearly cherry picking what she wants to address/answer/acknowledge. As for not voting funky or LS - meh, here were the votes just after Macro's "joke vote":
Macrophage (6) - Voidedmafia, Debonair Danny DiPietro, rhinox, 4nxi3ty, hiplop, fishythefish
funkybike1 (3) - Sleepless Assassin, Lastsurvivor, kortul
Voidedmafia (1) - Macrophage
Lastsurvivor (1) - nachomamma8
Debonair Danny DiPietro (1) - Alicewondering
Alicewondering (1) - funkybike1
Wouldn't even occur to me to vote LS to save myself had I replaced in in macro's position. As for not voting funky, you imply its the obvious scum move to vote funky to save herself, but if that were true scum would never do it, and then it wouldn't be a tell either way. Its a big circle of WIFOM. Its more likely that town or scum, Macro would realize it was going to take more than voting the only counterwagon to save herself. I don't consider where she dedided to push indicative of her alignment either way.
In post 457, hiplop wrote:Got the prod
Honestly, this day needs to end. Macro is pretty clearly scum imo
In post 464, Voidedmafia wrote:Give one good reason why you shouldn't claim.
In post 463, Macrophage wrote:It's better if I don't claim.
In post 466, Alicewondering wrote:Dude, Macro, Malee was scum for putting together a really bad case on someone, then backing off like panicked scum. Theo was scum for leaping onto easy wagons without much thought shown, and for Amished tell. You're scum for bad votes.
Even though you've already softclaimed, it's in your best interests to claim because you're on the plate for a lynch.
In post 467, Voidedmafia wrote:
Also, just because it may not make sense coming from scum doesn't mean the action itself isn't scummy, Macro.
In post 482, Lastsurvivor wrote:Erm, no not really@first statement. We've gotta consider that Malee is rather inexperienced. I don't think she's ever finished a game. She's just as likely to make a mistake as either alignment TBH.
Oh, I thought I already did answer your question. I can see that coming from scum fairly easily.
Why are you even bothering to defend your predecessors anyway?
Also, the ad hom attacks really aren't helping you out in any regard.
In post 485, Voidedmafia wrote:Macro: You've gone on and on about wanting me dead, and then suddenly completely reverse your read on me, pretty much the same as theo did except scum to town instead of town to scum. And as far as I can tell, there's no reasoning why you did that switch.
2ndly, witholding a claim like that isn't pro-town at all, and the AtE doesn't help you.
DCL: Explain to me how you know he wasn't scum. That line screams that you have some sort of inside info about him, to be honest.
In post 565, Macrophage wrote:Considering that pretty much everyone off my wagon has said that they think I'm town and/or won't be voting for me, why aren't you trying harder to convince them?
I'm deciding right now whether to go with DDD or LS. Still not sure.
Unvotefor now.
In post 599, Lastsurvivor wrote:I'm not feeling good about Macro. Just because it's one day to deadline doesn't mean I have to stay on a ML.
In post 608, hiplop wrote:that isn't how this game works.
Its like "all people 3rd on a wagon are scum", if the scum know thats what people are looking for, they aren't going to do it. The guy was blatantly testing the waters w/ PR claim, claimed vanilla when no one bit
In post 664, DCLXVI wrote:Really don't like macro's switch on his voided read, is it just me or does it seem like macro swapped from calling voided scum to town late in day 1 simply to try and get voided off of his wagon?
In post 686, Voidedmafia wrote:Did you not see the post I made right after you went to claiming VT? THREE SEPARATE POSTS had you declaring an intent to want me dead, and then VWIP! townread!
In post 688, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:In post 679, Sleepless Assassin wrote:DDD wrote:It’s a straight damage control move; attempting to make a player’s slot seem more town by excusing their prior play due to incompetence. Town’s first instincts upon replacing in are “who are scum?”; scum’s first instinct is “protect myself”.
I feel like anyone with a wagon on them is going to want to protect themself.
Sure, but we’re talking about first instincts; I get that town PM as a replacement and my first instinct is always, “who is scum”? I don’t even bother reading the person I’m replacing beyond what I absorb from reading the entire thread because I know they’re town and nothing I can do can change what they’ve already done on my behalf.
In post 726, 4nxi3ty wrote:what makes DDD a special case?
In post 727, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Yep, this is pretty clearly a five scum game and you've nailed our team; kudos.
In post 729, Voidedmafia wrote:Macro: I don't know. Are you going to stop looking like the scum you seem to be, or will you start acting towny? I'm not just going to stop because you try to ask nicely if there's no reason for me to believe that you'll be better.
In post 730, DCLXVI wrote:In post 724, Macrophage wrote:Really, the pushing on me from DCL, Debonair, Kortul, hiplop and voided are what I'd expect from scum
I wouldn't say that I have been pushing you much.
In post 724, Macrophage wrote:@Kortul/hiplop/voided/debonair/DCL: Are you likely to continue seeing what I post as scummy or do you think you could come to see me as town?
That really depends on you. If you act like town I hopefully will see you as town. If you act like scum I will most likely see you as scum. I don't see you as definite scum right now.
In post 732, DCLXVI wrote:
Ok, so I haven't pushed you but the way I did was scummy? That doesn't make sense at all.
So I did something scummy while not pushing you and I appear townish?
In post 757, Voidedmafia wrote:Well, you COULD stop acting like a kiss-ass and follow Nacho's advice. Just a suggestion.
But really, you've honestly done nothing to help yourself as of late. Yes, you may have done SOME townie things; yes, you may have claimed VT; yes this, yes that. BUT, those townie things don't make you any townier via outweighing the scummy things you've done; your VT claim just has too much contrived-ness around it to make be any sort of plausible defence (nevermind trying to shut down anything with the, "but I'm town" argument).
Your exaggeration for how I'm taking your posts is pretty far off the map even for an exaggeration, but the fact of the matter is that the only reason you're still alive, it seems, is because of two dead townies stopping one of the DVs. I could be wrong on this, but that seems to be what it's down to.
P-edit: And lo! Speak of it, and it shall come!
The timing of it is somewhat questionable, but I still feel that this was probably one of the best times to put down a post like that, and not just for posterity's sake. It's a pretty townie post, and right now is pretty much what's making me rethink a little.
In post 772, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Macro, to answer your first question, I feel I've layed out my case. He responded and I responded back. No one else seems interested except for the fact that you have a town read on him. I'm leaving my vote there to basically say "I think he is scum and I'm not letting it go".
And your other question...honestly, your town case looks more like a case against him except that "scum would never be so obvious". Your first point is the same point I made with the same reasoning except you finish yours with "scum would provide reasoning". Really? How often are people voted for not providing enough reasoning? Next is that he went against your lynch. Well, it looked (or looks) inevidible that you will be lynched at some point. If I was scum and you were town, id want to distance myself from the mislynch. If you are scum, this point (and this discussion for that matter) is null.
The last part is a real gem.you call 4n town for not providing a lot of content, which scum would apparently never ever do because they'd get attacked. So he MUST be town, right? WRONG.
Listen. Scum do scummy things. Scumtells are, believe it or not, NOT town tells.
In post 787, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:I’ve already trapped him with his own words; he knows what a vanilla townie SHOULD have done and yet he has no explanation for what he did other than, "uh, but I'm vanilla". Busted.