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[Tea]

Wow

[Tea]

Player List:

1. Tea

I was first.

[Tea]

Not first to post, though!

That's a privilege the mod gets.

[Tea]

I think it’s strange to appear to be getting out of rvs but not voting, and giving up so easily on it.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Bad vote.

I guess it’s NAI then.

Actually no, Layla's excuse can easily be made by scum. So since Gamma so kindly started the wagon, i'll put some more "oomph" behind it.
VOTE: Layla

Fool! Must you wait until others cast their vote on someone you find scummy before you cast your vote on them yourself?

Precept Sixteen: Don't Hesitate. Once youve made a decision, carry it out and dont look back. You'll achieve much more this way.

VOTE: Norwegian

i cant tell if this is a joke

[Tea]

Really not sure why you didn't double down on your RVS vote and just say "Hey, it's RVS"

[Tea]

Anyway in the span of a solid... 20 posts the NorwegianboyEE slot has gotten a lot worse

and your votes on Layla are bad

[Tea]

Like... I'm pretty sure Norwegian is breathing a sigh of relief after seeing yall vote Layla.

[Tea]

So first you called the votes on Norwegian bad, and now you’re calling the ones on Layla bad because they should be on NorwegianboyEE instead?
Thought processes can change?
Explain, please.

And why are

you

not voting NorwegianboyEE for that matter, Tea?

Does it need to be?

[Tea]

I scumread Chemist already.

Ok boomer

[Tea]

I don't actually find tea scummy. I have him as null, but true null, not leaning towards any alignment.

1. People showed concern about 74. It's a bit overzealous and overall bad yes. Does it draw aggro? Yes. But is it scummy? Remember that bad != scummy.

2. His stance flip on Nor. He did say that his read on Nor have gotten worse over the span of 20 or so posts. Did people miss that?

Now why do I say such thing when I pretty much don't have any read on tea? Because I think the direction of arguments thrown against him is wrong and that kind of arguments only bring wasted pages in the game.

Goodposting I see

[Tea]

His stance flip on Nor. He did say that his read on Nor have gotten worse over the span of 20 or so posts. Did people miss that?

If all it took was 2 minor posts from me between him vaguely implying to TR me for him to change his read and get needlessly aggressive then it wasn't a particularly strong TR in the first place.

Calling a vote bad isn't a TR; and this isn't semantics.

I think the line of reasoning people took to vote you was bad and the line of reasoning people took to vote you 20 posts later was substantially better.

[Tea]

He only has 8 posts total on his profile. I have no idea what his meta is.

I mean, that's kind of the point...

[Tea]

His stance flip on Nor. He did say that his read on Nor have gotten worse over the span of 20 or so posts. Did people miss that?

If all it took was 2 minor posts from me between him vaguely implying to TR me for him to change his read and get needlessly aggressive then it wasn't a particularly strong TR in the first place.

Calling a vote bad isn't a TR; and this isn't semantics.

I think the line of reasoning people took to vote you was bad and the line of reasoning people took to vote you 20 posts later was substantially better.

I'm glad you made this post. Because the 3 before it made me want you to eat rope in the next 24 hours.

Why did you think splitfarvle's original vote on Norwegian was bad? I liked that post. And what was wrong with Zote pointing out that Norwegian shaded the slot waited for someone else to vote it then hopped on?

Because you don't need to vote immediately to contribute to the game

[Tea]

Like... he was making a good point, but his tone implied he was joking? I dunno.

You're probably right that it's a good point tbh

[Tea]

I've been waiting for Nomination Mafia to end

I'm pretty sure PMysterious is town and I think it's fairly likely Norwegian is playing similarly to how he played there.

[Tea]

You feel like you're trying to halfassedly derail stuff when it's not likely to do much.

[Tea]

Are you NoNK?

I dunno, am I?

[Tea]

Considering that it's over, all I have to say is... ok

[Tea]

It's wasn't just the lack of a vote from Nor fool, it was him waiting until someone else voted for a player he found scummy before hopping on the wagon.

Ok i’ll shoot first and ask questions later from now on.
AMERICAN STYLE!

But that's not what you did. You shaded Layla at 30, you didnt ask a question, you shot. Maybe with a water gun but you fired the shot before asking the clarifying question.
She responded to your shade as though it were a question and you originally said it was NAI based on her explanation.
Then post 30, Gamma says your 30 reasoning seems valid, so all of a sudden, you do a 180 on your NAI reasoning say scum could make that excuse and vote Layla. This is already after splitfarvle voted you for not voting when you had provided some reasoning on something.

VOTE: Norskie

@Splitfarvle, can you explain your 35 a bit, I think I'm interpreting it correctly but I want to make sure.

It seems odd to me that there would be a serious push in the middle of rvs without a serious vote. It looks like scum trying to spread suspicion without committing to the read. It could be a soft bus but it’s probably dumb to speculate about that without any flips.

@tea - what do you make of this explanation? Is the vote still based on poor reasoning?

i think w/ added context & elaboration + new developments from norwegian

yes this is a good vote now

[Tea]

Oh... Chemist is town again.

Nice.

[Tea]

town
{Chemist Billy}
{Layla GE}
---
{Luca Reundo}
{Vork Norwegian}
scum

there's a pretty big difference between the tiers separated by the line btw.

[Tea]

UNVOTE:

The speed at which the Tea wagon built up and the little resistance it had is definitely something worth noting. It makes me think that scum either found an opportunity to hop on an early wagon, or found an early opportunity to distance from their partner. I'm gonna take a look at all the people who voted for Tea.

This is a strange post but I disagree with the reason you think it's strange, Billy.

[Tea]

I also continue to be unable to read FL.

[Tea]

That's very surface level.

[Tea]

town
{Chemist Billy}
{Layla GE}
---
{Luca Reundo}
{Vork Norwegian}
scum

there's a pretty big difference between the tiers separated by the line btw.

All of your TRs are players who've either defended you or aren't critical of you (except for maybe Billy for a bit), and all your SRs are players who were/are voting you or were critical of you, which reads pretty safe / risk-averse to me. Luca especially is a bit jarring, because while I don't have a strong TR on him I don't see anything of his that's especially scummy either. Similarly, I haven't seen anything especially towny from Chemist either, so some elaboration on those reads would be nice because I can't really see where you're coming from rn.

Also, why are you still not voting anyone?

Because nobody has done anything warranting a vote?

[Tea]

If you interact with someone you scumread... it kind of has a lot more weight if I haven't voted/might vote them

Right now, the reasons not to vote outweigh the reasons to vote.

[Tea]

Sigh

I have literally misread Chemist once and thats if you generously count "I compromise lynched him because deadline/people didnt care/i could expose my actual scumread tomorrow anyway" as misreading.

Yes there's not much about Chemist but gut feels, man, gut feel.

[Tea]

town
{Chemist Billy}
{Layla GE}
---
{Luca Reundo}
{Vork Norwegian}
scum

there's a pretty big difference between the tiers separated by the line btw.

All of your TRs are players who've either defended you or aren't critical of you (except for maybe Billy for a bit), and all your SRs are players who were/are voting you or were critical of you, which reads pretty safe / risk-averse to me. Luca especially is a bit jarring, because while I don't have a strong TR on him I don't see anything of his that's especially scummy either. Similarly, I haven't seen anything especially towny from Chemist either, so some elaboration on those reads would be nice because I can't really see where you're coming from rn.

Also, why are you still not voting anyone?

I also wonder why I'm scumreading people with bad progressions on me... maybe its because they have bad progressions on me.

[Tea]

The whole

'crafting an RVS vote before getting a role PM

' thing seems weird to me, though. I could see this being a lie, because I can't imagine why anyone would make an RVS post before the game has even opened.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Layla

So first you called the votes on Norwegian bad, and now you’re calling the ones on Layla bad because they should be on NorwegianboyEE instead?

Explain, please.

And why are

you

not voting NorwegianboyEE for that matter, Tea?

What have I done that’s the same as NorwegianboyEE?

Not sure I follow you.

Also, do you dislike/disagree with the vote itself, or is it purely the fact I haven’t received as much heat as NorwegianboyEE that pings you?

What about the NorwegianboyEE and Tea wagons, Chemist. Anything ping you there?

Dude... his entire ISO is empty or easy questions.

[Tea]

This isnt cherrkypicking this is pretty much his ISO.

[Tea]

VOTE: reundo

[Tea]

town
{Chemist Billy}
{Layla GE}
---
{Luca Reundo}
{Vork Norwegian}
scum

there's a pretty big difference between the tiers separated by the line btw.

You claim there’s a pretty big difference between the tiers, but your top TR is just a "gut read" on someone that’s posted like 2-3 posts by the time you made this...

...separated by the line...
ok

[Tea]

UNVOTE:

The speed at which the Tea wagon built up and the little resistance it had is definitely something worth noting. It makes me think that scum either found an opportunity to hop on an early wagon, or found an early opportunity to distance from their partner. I'm gonna take a look at all the people who voted for Tea.

I agree with this but knowing Aaron it kind of is not as abnormal
I don’t like this; it feels very showy.

[Tea]

That's very surface level.

Man, I dont know if this is a playstyle thing with you or what, but it's annoying. He provided a possible explanation of your reads, which wasnt completely unfair given that you haven't provided much thought on it in the thread. You respond by saying that it was surface level. It's on you to explain your actions. Reundo is giving you an opportunity and you respond by calling his interpretation of your reads list surface level. It's not on us to be able to explain your reads. So why dont you explain why its not simply what Reundo accused you of?

Very ironic... considering I did

[Tea]

I don't see how him asking questions about your posts == a bad progression? Luca's ISO is a bit worse than I remembered but it's fairly ordinary in this game at least. "Empty or easy" questions describes a lot of ISOs here, and throwing him in your scum reads but not say splitfarvle/davesaz/dunn seems a bit random.

Also, I hope you ignoring like half the posts directed at you doesn't become a habit because it's starting to get annoying. What is your aversion towards voting people, exactly? I don't see a good reason to keep it holstered at this stage, or how it'll affect your "interactions with your scumreads" or whatever.

Because those slots havent made much an impression on me?

And it's his effort to present himself otherwise; a lot of other ISOs are plainly idontgiveafuck.

And when those posts all ask the same question about not voting that I answered... and like the answer boils down to playstyle differences, yeah I think it's starting to get annoying you ask the same question over and over when an answer is either pointless or already given.

[Tea]

VOTE: vork

[Tea]

I wanted to see if you would double down or actually have a dialogue

[Tea]

On Luca

[Tea]

I really dont think you believe in what you're saying Norwegian.

[Tea]

I've been waiting for Nomination Mafia to end

I'm pretty sure PMysterious is town and I think it's fairly likely Norwegian is playing similarly to how he played there.

You shouldn't refer to ongoing games.

That’s what he was avoiding :thonk:

Okay, so now that Nomination Mafia actually ended, I can finally establish the point I wanted to make earlier. In Nomination Mafia, NorwegianboyEE made similar aggressive statements as he did in the quote I posted recently. It turns out that he was Mafia that game, and because of that, I'm not comfortable about Norwegian's aggressive play in the quote I mentioned. I thought I'd have to wait until Day 2 or 3 to bring it up because of the "no ongoing games rule" put in place, but lucky me, the game ended before the day expired.

Anyway, back to looking through this game and figuring out what to do next.

I agree with this.

[Tea]

Also PMysterious is town.

[Tea]

I think Norwegian is really scummy and I see the merit in the Wake votes.

VOTE: nor

[Tea]

[youtube]v=eKFN-aqPJH8[/youtube]

[Tea]

[Tea]

Tea seesawing Nor could be: (a) Genuine, (b) Scum coming to the rescue of their buddy who had been forced to vote them after having failed to make a distancing maneuver, or (c) Scum WKing someone they know ill flip town.

(a) Tea is Town, Nor is unknown.
(b) Both are scum.
(c) Tea us Scum, Nor is Town.

66% Scum!Tea, 50% Scum!Nor

This fails to account for weighted probabilities.

[Tea]

This really is the textbook definition of saving a lynch.

You're going for the next easiest option (me) while trying to leave Wake as a viable option and not completely destroy it

[Tea]

I think Luca's recent posting is really towny.

[Tea]

"I suck at D1 so fuck it" is objectively anti town sooo

[Tea]

Wake is playing antitown vs scummy

[Tea]

I guess that'd be the best I'm able to word that for now, I'll try to elaborate when I find time to

Thoughts on norwegian are coming in a couple mins

[Tea]

Vorkuta is good at hyperposting as scum.
VOTE: Vorkuta
Take my "random" vote.

I'm good at pretending to generate "good" content.
This game.. I actually have to generate GOOD content.

Show me that good content boii.
Cus i'm not trusting you after that whole "pocketing" stunt ya pulled earlier.

VOTE: davesaz because his username doesn't start with a capital letter. splitfarve doesn't either but I only have one vote.

Layla's RVS vote has too much justification behind it. Only scum cares about justifying and "explaining" their RVS vote.

Like I feel like as scum he makes an obligatory "lol im so funny" post and then gets too serious too quick

Take open 767 as a comparison

9/11 confirmed lol.

[Mod edit: NorwegianBoy has been banned from the game. Not appropriate]

HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS GAME?

By people actually talking hopefully.
Anyway there's not much to comment on atm so i suppose i'll need to create some content myself.
I don't really know anyone here other than Mutantdevle whom i've played mafia games with on another site. I hope he's actually town so we can play on the same side for once, i've had to make him my enemy for so many mafia games in the past. Mutant, plz be town.

Why would Titus and Dongo vote to lynch the cute cat Joey? Just why? :c

Mutant’s logic in voting for Pisskop is indeed stretching it. But that doesn’t make him scummy like Joey suggests. I think Mutant is just trying to create content for us so we can make a proper judgement about who’s acting scummy. The game is in too early of a stage for that vote to actually be serious.
UNVOTE:

Meanwhile in open 765 he doesn't do anything close

Hello everyone, i don't know anyone here. But i'll do my best.

Just so everyone is in the clear, i've read the setup and while i really don't understand a single thing about the "points mechanic" i did gather from the setup that we are informed about who the mafia roles are already.
So Baezu has already told us in the second post which mafia roles are in the game:

- The undead role are Zombie, Witch and Ghoul

This means (If i'm understanding this right) that the mafia has looked at the townie power roles and decided they want the 2 specific roles. (Putting aside the generic goon which is called "ghoul" in this setup)

- Zombie
Will always resurrect the next day if lynched. Can only be permanently killed by other means.

- Witch
Basically the mafia rolecop.

(Please explain to me if i misunderstood something.)

Almost 14 days left before deadline. How much of that time are we using before the lynch i wonder? Seems a bit hasty to start voting already so early, but if it puts pressure on players i’m all for it.
VOTE: benhalkum

Like I know this seems based off of meta but the takeaway is that he's trying to artificially establish a presence in a scum-motivated way without really getting called out/noticed for it

And meta is just because he might go "Oh I'm not the kind of guy to do this stuff!" which I really don't want to deal with, so here it is

[Tea]

Tea's 57 is casting shade on what look to me to be a couple of good leads.
Tea would be a good vote but I think the careful play by Norwegian is scummier.
VOTE: Norwegian

What careful play lol.

The whole

'crafting an RVS vote before getting a role PM

' thing seems weird to me, though. I could see this being a lie, because I can't imagine why anyone would make an RVS post before the game has even opened.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Layla

This is a good point^

Like... I'm pretty sure Norwegian is breathing a sigh of relief after seeing yall vote Layla.

Nice narrative you're trying to build there.

Perhaps i should do the same?
Tea is most definitely breathing a sigh of relief here at the possibility of turning the vote away from his scumpartner and shading a town slot instead.

The difficult thing about this setup is that i'm most definitely going to forget at least a couple of people here, especially the inactive ones. So if they're scum they can just coast along undetected because there are so many distractions.

He only has 8 posts total on his profile. I have no idea what his meta is.

i have a weird gut feeling we hit scum in Tea for completely wrong reasons and now we’re in a holding pattern because scum’s awkward.

I don’t actually have a Tea read myself

Actually re-reading the game. This post is BIG yikes! Holy shit.

And holy shit

Like yes there's "all over the place" solving as town (RC comes as a pretty big example) but this is like "oh I'll be able to setup/turn to anyone I need to" and it feels like he's keeping his options open instead of trying to keep his mind open.

[Tea]

Also don't really get the distinction between "keeping his options open" and "keeping his mind open"?

One of them is for appearances, one of them is genuine.

[Tea]

Your meta case is trash Tea.
I don’t know what else to say.
Like if you’re going to not look at my behaviour objectively and just case me on meta and claim i’m scum for it then you’re really not taking your read on me seriously.

It's not a fucking meta case

[Tea]

"Like I know this seems based off of meta but the takeaway is that he's trying to artificially establish a presence in a scum-motivated way without really getting called out/noticed for it"

[Tea]

"And meta is just because he might go "Oh I'm not the kind of guy to do this stuff!" which I really don't want to deal with, so here it is"

[Tea]

Looking at people like Davesaz and Splitfarvle. They have been going a bit under the radar, and i don't see anything town indicative from them. This gamestate seems like it really benefits scum and i think they should be put more upfront.
Who are your townreads @Davesaz and @Splitfarvle?
Also if i remember correctly Billy Pilgrim claimed he liked my play better in this game, yet he's voting for me. What is that about?

Ok, the content is better, but I still don't like the way you're saying it

It feels... off

[Tea]

Luca initially scumreads Tea and TR's me. Then when the narrative is appearing to be switching [Tea loses votes and posts a case] he immediately goes back on his principles and votes me. It sure looks like a scummy and opportunistic wagon hop to me.

The benefits of voting you outweigh the harms

In particular you seem not to be playing in good faith... so there's really no point not voting you.

Also, voting you is more likely to make that change than not voting you, and you're also really likely to be scum. So

[Tea]

Why is aimlessness on D1 scummy?
And another question for you, why is not being aimless on D1 town indicative?

bouncing around w/ a purpose vs trying to look like you're bouncing around

[Tea]

It was for the MEMES!

Btw Nor is town
I think that burst of posting was rather earnest

Hot take tbh

[Tea]

Tbh I think gamma has a lot of scum equity

[Tea]

I no longer feel strongly about my Chemist town read, mostly because his impression on me has gone from town to... nonexistent

[Tea]

UNVOTE:

[Tea]

I think Norwegian is less scummy than I remembered him and like... I really don't think scum him actually announces my identity to the thread vs his PT.

[Tea]

Yeah my "meta" is kind of derailing any possible read on me

So

I mean it's really tempting to pretend to be him, but I'm not Menalque

[Tea]

Sigh

I'm Chennis.

[Tea]

But yeah, pretty much everything fits the profile...

Newish player, involved in both those games, similar posting style, so yeah, nice try I guess

[Tea]

I wanted to secret alt to not get metaread but like it's probably worse if I get metaread off of someone I'm not, sooooo

[Tea]

Yes, I did

[Tea]

Well, this was informative.

My posting style didn't really get more towny, it got more distinctive, I guess.

[Tea]

I am every loud player

[Tea]

VOTE: spitfarvle

[Tea]

Just like... no me gusta

The ISO is 12 posts so no I really see no reason to quote it.

[Tea]

Sigh

I'm Chennis.

UNVOTE:

You do realize I wasn't voting you for meta reasons, right? But I'm willing to give you some more time to change my read on your slot.

Yeah, but you also weren't who I was addressing with the sigh

[Tea]

Like I said, I hate Day 1 for obvious reasons. I've got nothing to work with.

And if THAT's your reason to mislynch me, LOL. You're not going to force me to post when I hate Day 1.

I do, however, notice who acts and who doesn't in response to me saying I don't like Day 1.

ok boomer

[Tea]

I like how people go "I hate D1" and then they have no/terrible reads and are ok with it until Lylo and either 1) the only ppl left to scumread are scum so good job, wow or 2) you lose town the game

Wait, actually, I don't like that, yknow

[Tea]

Like I said, I hate Day 1 for obvious reasons. I've got nothing to work with.

And if THAT's your reason to mislynch me, LOL. You're not going to force me to post when I hate Day 1.

I do, however, notice who acts and who doesn't in response to me saying I don't like Day 1

.

Wjat do you mean by the bolded? And if it's what I think you mean, then isnt that something you have to work with?

It's more or less just speculation. Sure, sometimes you manage to catch Scum. Day 1, but more often than not it's just a lot of arguing: arguing that just wears me out.

When we have a flip, some sort of tangible evidence, I can actually work with that and play the game. I noticed how people are just jumping so quickly on my wagon with little if any resistance, but that in itself is just speculation, but it should tell you that you're going to mislynch Town. The mere fact that there's basically no resistance to my wagon should be a major red flag.

And the reason? Why, because I hate playing during Day 1? That's 100% NAI.

If I do get mislynched, take careful notice of who first shied away from my wagon and then quickly turned onto it when it seemed convenient.

Why not use this information

NOW

??

[Tea]

Why not ‘take notice’ of those players yourself now?

If you’re Town then you literally have more info than any other town player in the game right now to get stuck into, as there’re 8 players keen on lynching you and you obviously know which way you’re gonna flip.

It feels atm like you’re tentative to name names in case you’re lynched anyway and it gives away more info that can be analyzed D2.

oh yeah, this

is what i wanted to say, but luca said it better

[Tea]

I think PM is probably town

[Tea]

I mean I don't really see any content from the slot as of rn, and I see a lot for other slots so ig

[Tea]

I think Wake might be town yall scum doesn't do this

[Tea]

I really am not surprised.

VOTE: fl

[Tea]

Did somebody say L-1?

VOTE: PMysterious

Dude... you literally did this last scumgame I had with you

[Tea]

Nice, in a pool of 6 people, there's one scum

Thank you for your informative VCA on guiltied scum.

[Tea]

Worth doing I think

VOTE: split

[Tea]

I kinda wanna see what happens and I kinda think this has underrated scum equity.

[Tea]

a guilty.

ARE YOU SUICIDAL?

I'M TOWN.

I dunno this feels overreacty

As town id be like "ok wtf" and let it sit for a while and hope they go "sike"

[Tea]

How was my Vorkuta vote bad? Pressuring lurkers/low content slots is rarely a bad thing imo.

Because it's really easy to do tbh

[Tea]

Split legit might've just put the playerlist in a random number generator

That's how meaningless the list is to me.

[Tea]

Yes, but like... he's posted a solid four times since then.

[Tea]

O... that's not true.

[Tea]

Anyway I think A50 is a hard slot to read

In a game I rolled scum we thought he was our traitor because of how absurdly off base he was, we actually thought he was signalling by calling out the entire scumteam as town

[Tea]

His reads are embarrassingly bad rn

But idk if that means anything

[Tea]

I think Dolly is a significantly overrated slot

[Tea]

I think Luca is town

[Tea]

I think Luca’s flip flop on the Vorkuta wagon on D1 looks bad, like their reads aren’t genuine.

VOTE: Luca Blight

Let's give this a whirl

VOTE: Luca Blight

PEDIT

DAMN>>>>>>>

Did we plan this telepathically or what....

Ew bad shitpost

4 votes in 8 mins.

That's my kind of rush

Ironically this is kind of towny

I'm getting a little excited

Ironically this is kind of towny

VOTE: Luca

L-1

Claim time.

Ew bad seriouspost

Dolly and Wake are both doing the scum thing where they care much less about what's going on when someone else is being wagoned, and start making filler/troll posts instead of pushing the wagon they apparently believe in

What's wrong with pushing a wagon we believe in?

Are you trying to stop the luca wagon for some weird reason?

This literally does not address the question

I didn't say there was something wrong with that, I'm saying you aren't doing that.

Can you please quote where you think you are pushing the wagon?

I do believe in the luca wagon.

She never addresses this despite multiple attempts to clarify

[Tea]

Dolly is making a presence without really taking a stance. That seems bad

[Tea]

That's in summary

[Tea]

Aight

VOTE: dolly

[Tea]

Oh cool... A50 might just be unorthodox town

[Tea]

Oh yeah that reminds me... it'd probably be easier for me if I replaced with chennis

[Tea]

Meh whatever

[Tea]

Very roughly Luca's resistant to things he doesn't want to do feels like it comes from town

[Tea]

Tone and direction are kind of other things

This is gut feels but kinda strong gut feels man

[Tea]

That's not how anything works

[Tea]

You know we’d just ignore everything you just said when we see that redflip right?

Kind of disliking norway here, and this interaction w/flavor isnt helping.

This coming from the guy that lynched obvtown slots in nomination mafia. I'd sooner trust FL's words in his villainous breakdown rant than your reads.

Oh... norway is probably scum tbh.

[Tea]

I mean I’m gonna point it out, but I’m on my phone rn and it’s like a very established meta of mine that I don’t do cases unless I’m on my laptop

That's not meta, that's human nature

[Tea]

Like I said, I hate Day 1 for obvious reasons. I've got nothing to work with.

And if THAT's your reason to mislynch me, LOL. You're not going to force me to post when I hate Day 1.

I do, however, notice who acts and who doesn't in response to me saying I don't like Day 1.

Wow.
VOTE: Wake88

“I was against the wake wagon for the longest time until D3”

Mmm

Hmmm

I was the first one that unvoted when the wagon was L-1 and went for PMysterious instead. Why would i do that if i wasn't unsure about Wake being the best option?

Yes... what a wonderful point in your favor

[Tea]

Hot take let's lynch Dolly rn

[Tea]

Spoiler: A50's Luca progression

The whole

'crafting an RVS vote before getting a role PM

' thing seems weird to me, though. I could see this being a lie, because I can't imagine why anyone would make an RVS post before the game has even opened.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Layla

I liked you for the post just before this none and was getting ready to move your name to the Town leans group, but this brought you back to the middle group of nulls. It's not scummy it itself, but you voted Tea so I got the impression you were all caught up until that point, so why did you suddenly have that change of heart?

By the time I am at the top of page 4 I am confused. One of Nor, Tea and Luca is scum here. I just dunno which.

Why is it scummy to suddenly have a change of heart?

Because it's a

sudden

change of heart. It feels as if it came off the left side, as if you realized you made a mistake and tried to correct it immediately. Maybe I'm not explaining it the way I should, so just accept that I think it was unwarranted. I had expected you to either stay on Tea for some time (if only for a test reaction) or to have not voted him in the first place.

Like, what if I voted you right now, only to unvote and vote elsewhere (say between Wake/Tea/Nor) in my very next post? How would you feel about me in that hypothetical situation?

Between the 2 candidates; Luca certainly is my preferred lynch. I still would rather Tea though as I have an inexplicable bad gut feeling on him.

VOTE: Luca

Are you so sure that I'm scum that you're willing to be lynched next if you're wrong?

I know that wasn't directed at me, but if it was my answer would be

definitely yes

.

He liked my first post, but had me as a SL for changing my mind on my opening vote. He maintains this SR based on this until D3, despite me being the second highest poster in the game. There is no development in his read on me or Tea whatsoever, despite Tea also being one of the more involved players. He drops his Nor SR literally because Gamma told him to.

He then says he is so confident I'm scum he would be willing to take the next lynch if I flipped Town. What is this confidence based on exactly? He's just retaliating after my points made against him.

This hubris from A50 is... probably town

[Tea]

I think norwegian could be scum

[Tea]

I think faking hubris is the #1 thing he does as scum

[Tea]

Tbh these developments have shaken a lot of my reads on the game as a whole.

[Tea]

oh chenn is doing the catch up thing where he reads through

enjoy 1402 chenn

Buckle up this will be longer

Spoiler: response

layla progression: probably irrelevant/nai comparatively so bye

FL: His posts certainly seem to be trying to set up an associative that makes him seem better and it seems very opportunistic in timing and TMI in content.

"Actually re-reading the game. This post is BIG yikes! Holy shit."
Like I can easily see at least two objectives
1) Make it easier to get off my wagon
2) Make it look like he had actual thoughts about FL

Chem: The reason he's joking is so he can be non-committal.

Norwegian: I mean, I do think revealing that I wasn't you gave him significant room to do shit

I think the blatantly bad part is his read on me before I revealed I was me and the turnaround is actually ironically one of his towniest things

I also think the menalque vote didn't seem overly opportunistic given that I think it's really hard for him to lynch you today

[Tea]

It wasn't longer but ok

[Tea]

Now that I reread chemist's guilty

Damn Chemist is bigbrain

[Tea]

via Imgflip Meme Generator

Yes but also... someone said something about how you and Dolly feel like you're defending each other and trying not to look like it

I think it's not impossible

[Tea]

O I also think Dave is probably town

[Tea]

Idk if there's even supposed to be 3 scum or 4 scum in this game so assoc. hunting will be hard

[Tea]

Hot take: Menalque and Dolly have been hard defending each other while trying to look like they don't care about the other

This is what I was looking for

[Tea]

I think norwegian could be scum, yes

But I also think Dolly is straight up just scum

[Tea]

Ok well I guess Norwegian didn't explain any of his reads which is kind of alarming

[Tea]

This game is hard and now all my reads have been disoriented, thanks

[Tea]

Ugh

Norwegian feels the wrong mix of committal and not committal

[Tea]

what do you think I am @chenn

You are probably town

And also Dolly feels unconventional in a scummy way and her read on Dunn is weird

[Tea]

Actually I feel like even my Dolly read is kind of conflated.

Argh this game.

[Tea]

It's possible I'm just being bad and ur right

In fact it's probably the most likely

But I need to think about it ya know??

[Tea]

I think Luca’s flip flop on the Vorkuta wagon on D1 looks bad, like their reads aren’t genuine.

VOTE: Luca Blight

Let's give this a whirl

VOTE: Luca Blight

PEDIT

DAMN>>>>>>>

Did we plan this telepathically or what....

Ew bad shitpost

4 votes in 8 mins.

That's my kind of rush

Ironically this is kind of towny

I'm getting a little excited

Ironically this is kind of towny

VOTE: Luca

L-1

Claim time.

Ew bad seriouspost

Dolly and Wake are both doing the scum thing where they care much less about what's going on when someone else is being wagoned, and start making filler/troll posts instead of pushing the wagon they apparently believe in

What's wrong with pushing a wagon we believe in?

Are you trying to stop the luca wagon for some weird reason?

This literally does not address the question

I didn't say there was something wrong with that, I'm saying you aren't doing that.

Can you please quote where you think you are pushing the wagon?

I do believe in the luca wagon.

She never addresses this despite multiple attempts to clarify

Dolly is making a presence without really taking a stance. That seems bad

Oh yeah

Here she never answers the question and still never answers it.

[Tea]

Her stances on Luca suck

Her stances in general suck

The movement of her stances, aka her progression, sucks

[Tea]

Bc I mildly think one of them is scum and the other is kind of overtly scummy

[Tea]

I think norwegian's insistence on making the Dolly wagon feels scummy sure

[Tea]

But I also think my company on this wagon isn't bad

[Tea]

why do you think scum!her abandons the Luca SR and starts pushing Dunn?

because a) kind of easy to go back to Luca if Dunn flips town
b) Luca wagon was kinda dying

[Tea]

chenn, what's your read on pk?

Sort of forgot he was in the game, tbh

[Tea]

You're so cocky and delusional lmao.
I've been trying to hunt scum but it's impossible when you insist on trashtalking everything i say, it's impossible for me to do anything but try to convince you i'm town because otherwise i'll just be wasting my breath on trying to hunt outside of this 1v1 you've forced me into.

Oh... Norwegian is probably scum.

Why do I feel like I said this before?

[Tea]

Does norwegian have this hubris as town,

ever

?

[Tea]

Actually I think it's very possible I don't want to vote Dolly for

reasons

that I don't want to elaborate on

[Tea]

VOTE: norwegian?

idk man this game is hard

[Tea]

Actually wait no

VOTE: dolly

[Tea]

Well like Menalque's sortof-push on Dunn is weird

[Tea]

Terrible trajectory off of Luca, refusal to explain why she treated that slot the way she did, weird wagon on Dunn

[Tea]

I don't think Menalque is scum here

But I want to lynch Dolly soo

[Tea]

Dolly and norwegian haven't voted each other despite pushing each other

Interesting

[Tea]

My conjecture is both of them are scum so vote either of them let's go

[Tea]

VOTE: nor

[Tea]

Idc u guys have 18 hrs to kill one of them

[Tea]

I think norwegian is just scum

I'll be very disappointed otherwise given his "salty posts" which he exclusively and always does as scum

You're so cocky and delusional lmao.
I've been trying to hunt scum but it's impossible when you insist on trashtalking everything i say, it's impossible for me to do anything but try to convince you i'm town because otherwise i'll just be wasting my breath on trying to hunt outside of this 1v1 you've forced me into.

Well there are clearly some people that TR me, so why do you blame me for your own failings and bad ability to scum hunt?

I'm getting 95% sure that scum is outside both of us and you're just a tunneling town. Which makes this really annoying because i've done everything i can to make you see the light, but nothing works. And it's very frustrating. But that's just how it is sometimes. If town actually believes you then hopefully my flip will make you never deathtunnel me ever again.

You've kept up your scumread despite backlash from other townies, proving that you're most likely town. Because scum cares more about looking good rather than making a flip happen no matter what.

In my defense post you didn't care for.

So where is the scum? It’s dolly/Dave/wake?

Why have you shifted so abruptly on me in like 1 page?

Could very well be those three.

That's just how i am bro.

There's no sign of me losing. Losing is having 7 people willing to vote me, so far you've got 3.
Regarding your response to my response post. I'm just not attentive enough to respond to every single point you've got, because i feel like you'll just rephrase them and send them my way again. I stand by everything i've said in my initial defense post so far. I'm not giving you any more response.

I want you to break down what you were thinking and what prompted it throughout the process of that shift in mindset

I already explained this to you. What do you want? A 6 page essay? I've already written an exam today. Enough is enough.

You've kept up your scumread despite backlash from other townies, proving that you're most likely town. Because scum cares more about looking good rather than making a flip happen no matter what.

And as I look for his "salty posts" I realize his entire ISO is that

[Tea]

This is why he's scum

Does town actually ever post like that? Does Norwegian actually post like that?

[Tea]

If ur gonna do it do it now I guess

[Tea]

Dunnstrall is suspiciously absent from all this. Especially for being my teammate according to Mena.

I just thought u could've been town maybe possibly until u posted that

[Tea]

Mistakes were made

[Tea]

Interesting

Dolly or Menalque first they both defended A50

[Tea]

I feel like there's been an unreasonable amount of resistance to the A50 wagon this game, considering how easily others have been run up to L-2.

Oh and Luca is probably town so

[Tea]

Gg ez game tbh

[Tea]

Except not actually

[Tea]

Did Norwegian seriously selfvote

[Tea]

Wonderful

[Tea]

VOTE: Wake88

- Protected by both dead scum
- promised reads but ended up lurking out the day (as I anticipated)
- enters D4 with a guilty mindset

*Sigh*

This is exactly what I was talking about.

Reads aren't really a part of how I play as Town. Sometimes I give reads, but because it's primarily based on gut reads have little value. It's the interactions where I feel things can be more easily parsed.

This isn't bullshit, it's repurposed bovine waste

[Tea]

VOTE: dolly

LYNCH IT WITH FIRE

[Tea]

The way Menalque has been treating Wake makes it possible Menalque is scum and Wake is town

[Tea]

And as to you question as to why I jumped in on your wagon. It felt right. I want to see if/how it builds and if it gets close to a lynch then I will re-revaluate my stance. Right now it's just an info-getting-vote, if you will.

What happened to your "town clear" on Wake?

Also, you were the fourth vote on the wagon, which proves the wagon was already built up by that point (and brings him pretty close to a lynch by itself), so voting him to see "if/how it builds" doesn't make any sense when it was already half-way through.

So now everyone wants to believe me. I get shade for "town clearing" wake and I get shade for voting him the next day when it was a clear sheep-info-vote which I said it was in the post you

QUOTED!

You don't just get to avoid accountability here

[Tea]

This isn't about being believed this is about being held accountable for words that come out of your mouth

[Tea]

And as to you question as to why I jumped in on your wagon. It felt right. I want to see if/how it builds and if it gets close to a lynch then I will re-revaluate my stance. Right now it's just an info-getting-vote, if you will.

What happened to your "town clear" on Wake?

Also, you were the fourth vote on the wagon, which proves the wagon was already built up by that point (and brings him pretty close to a lynch by itself), so voting him to see "if/how it builds" doesn't make any sense when it was already half-way through.

So now everyone wants to believe me. I get shade for "town clearing" wake and I get shade for voting him the next day when it was a clear sheep-info-vote which I said it was in the post you

QUOTED!

also

what info does voting wake give??

[Tea]

The way Menalque has been treating Wake makes it possible Menalque is scum and Wake is town

And nothing about Dolly makes her town etc etc

[Tea]

Omegalul if Wake Menalque and Dolly are all town and scum turns out to be a deepwolf

[Tea]

Thanks for the lamisty response to my shitpost.

[Tea]

Thanks for the lamisty response to my shitpost.

Is this game still hard for you?

It's hard that I still have to think about this game, yes.

[Tea]

Don't worry Luca, nobody thinks you're SK, an odd night SK would be a very cruel punishment indeed

[Tea]

I mean... I think it's theoretically possible Luca is scum vig that vigged A50 to stay clear... but I'd rather lynch Dolly?

[Tea]

I do think fancy "let's just claim now because ???" shenanigans probably come from town

I wouldn't say scum has this game in the bag quite yet so I don't think this is scum trying to finish strong

[Tea]

People say town doesn't deserve to win when they hate themselves for rolling town

[Tea]

Yes it is dumb and it's not likely

[Tea]

I think the townier slots like Reundo have a lot of room to be deepwolves

[Tea]

Oh yeah Dave hammering Norwegian is a kinda bad look

[Tea]

So Luca claims Odd-Night Vig as an SK

And wins by not getting shot?

[Tea]

The scumteam isn't supposed to shoot him for the rest of the game? Really?

[Tea]

And in a large normal with 18 players... he either can only shoot on odd nights or chose to only shoot on an odd night

[Tea]

Do you understand how dumb this is

[Tea]

Im feeling weirdly lukewarm on a dolly lynch and weirdly recipient to a dave lynch.

[Tea]

Dolly's slot is tearjerkingly bad but Dave's is sort of "play it safe" bad

[Tea]

Dolly's slot is tearjerkingly bad but Dave's is sort of "play it safe" bad

If you're questioning my comments about rl you're lucky I'm on the phone rn and don't want to fuck with trying to format this comment properly. Never ever question what i say about rl distractions.

No I'm questioning your belief in your stances

[Tea]

Dave might might be town idk

[Tea]

Whatever

I think it's telling Dolly voted Dave

[Tea]

Dolly's wagon dissolves feel scum motivated

First yesterday onto Norwegian and today

[Tea]

VOTE DOLLY 4 PREZ
2020

[Tea]

(SPONSORED BY CHENNIS)

[Tea]

1 scum between dolly and dave i think

[Tea]

You're posting stuff like "oh there's probably at least 1 scum in" (huge arbitrarily related group of people) and you know we can't hold you accountable for that

[Tea]

Actually that's not the example I was looking at because that is better

Though the method of doing so and the message itself seems a little purposely... lacking, I guess

[Tea]

Wake is biggest wagon, and this happens 4 posts in a row. That wasn't hard to find at all, the trouble being how to tell which the scum is.

I think Luca’s flip flop on the Vorkuta wagon on D1 looks bad, like their reads aren’t genuine.

VOTE: Luca Blight

For the sake of a counterwagon.
VOTE: Luca Blight

I would not mind one bit pressuring Luca Blight.

VOTE: Luca Blight

I think Luca’s flip flop on the Vorkuta wagon on D1 looks bad, like their reads aren’t genuine.

VOTE: Luca Blight

Let's give this a whirl

VOTE: Luca Blight

PEDIT

DAMN>>>>>>>

Did we plan this telepathically or what....

I think this is a better example

[Tea]

Actually idk I think you might be town dave

[Tea]

Idk

Help

Vote dolly

Something

[Tea]

I think wake has opportunity to disappoint

Dolly doesn't

[Tea]

Tbh I really am fine with either of them dying

[Tea]

But I think the redirection on wake is scum-motivated, regardless of his alignment

[Tea]

No, the redirection away from Dolly onto wake.

[Tea]

Actually idk I think you might be town dave

What made you change your mind?

His attempts to establish a genuine seeming dialogue and the fact his slot looks better w/ reread

Also he's not wake/dolly

[Tea]

Yeah... I really don't buy that Dolly doesn't protect Chemist and protects Norwegian

[Tea]

Actually idk, I've seen disappointment

[Tea]

I feel bad about dolly and wake lynches

I feel bad for feeling bad

VOTE: dave