This is my first game out of the newbie forum. Question: "The townvmafia numbers are confirmed to be 16v5," so this is definitely two factions? No worrying about more than one mafia or a serial killer?
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I finished reading Bananas just yesterday. You are good scum. Dangerous if red.In post 8, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Why did i join a 20+ game. Omg. Time to fight against the wagon dynamics of dogpiling on an random player.
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Hey, I've been good since we last spoke. Yourself?In post 13, Bell wrote:Hi reaver.
You probably remember my habits and back ground, and how I'm a beginning gamer when it comes to mafia. I hope we can work together as well in this game as we did before.-
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I was bored waiting for this one to start and then the thread sucked me in. It was like binging a soap opera or a season of Game of Thrones.In post 27, Bell wrote:hey Reaver, why did you read that large game and when did you start reviewing it?
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I did notice a serious lack of engagement from you at points. You strike me as someone who likes a mental challenge and when you're allowed to coast as scum, you mentally check out. When the pinch is on, you suddenly become more active.In post 26, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I got a light TR on SJReaver for his post pointing out he read my scumgame and noted he believes i'm skilled at playing as scum. It doesn't seem like something scum!him would just casually put out there if it wasn't a real worry for him.
That you've made an appearance and are reading people this early suggests the basic set up of the game (find the bad guys) is helping to motivate you.
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I think so. It feels longer than two days. I've been lurking in the sign-up queue waiting for this game to start for awhile.In post 30, Bell wrote: I see, so when you got your role pm 2 days ago you started reading that game?
Odd question. I thought you'd ask if I'd picked up any hints or scum-hunting tactics.-
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I did.In post 34, Bell wrote:Was thinking if your alignment in this game motivated you to read that game.
It seems like you tried to grasp their characteristics.
The problem is that town had some very strong players... but those players still made poor guesses. By the end, I thought Almost50 was one of the best scumreaders I'd seen. I was sure town would win with him in the final three. When Lucky flipped green, it didn't expect it, because Almost's logic made such good sense.
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So happy to be out of newbies and brushing shoulders with the great minds of mafiascum.com
Hey Lapsa, what do you think of Bell's line of questioning? Is how someone responds to a role PM alignment indicative?-
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Given the size of this group, how do you feel about eliminating low-activity slots?In post 37, Town looter wrote:Oh yeah, derp.
This game is hilarious, I have no fucking idea what to do, the number of people is overwhelming. Good to have some familiar faces though. Might be able to get a solid read for a change...
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I'm here for you, bro.In post 51, Marshmallow Marshall wrote: And now, can we start calling eachother scum so that we can have meaningful discussion, please? This debate about lynching and shooting basing on activity isn't alignment indicative, and we've basically killed RVS' significance here.
VOTE: Mashmallow
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Actually answering my question. Thanks!In post 60, Fwesnid wrote: Yes there are exactly 16 town, and exactly 5 mafia of one faction.
Full and odd-night vigilantes should almost always be shooting night 1. X-shot is pretty situational.
superbowl's two recent posts ping.
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In post 82, Pickaxe Pete wrote:Thinking Reaver is excited town. Or not a newb.
I'm not sure why this keeps on happening, but no, I'm not an alt. I started playing Town of Salem in early-July and switched to forum mafia because I like the slower pace. Other than that, I don't have any experience with the game.In post 84, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Thanks for pointing this out. Went to ISO that slot and have a completely different opinion now.In post 82, Pickaxe Pete wrote:Thinking Reaver is excited town. Or not a newb.-
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In post 93, LicketyQuickety wrote: Yeah. The TR was based on that specific post. When I took a better look at all their posts I got a better feel for their playstyle.
In post 94, LicketyQuickety wrote:And my opinion changed as a result.
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The continued inability of others to read my mind.In post 104, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
Why do you feel the need to put "reason" next to every vote you make?
He was making a joke. Not a good one, but it's Bell. You have to make allowances.In post 106, Marshmallow Marshall wrote: Because it was the best thing to do at the time xD. You advocated for the scum syntax theory.-
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So far, Bell sounds like town!Bell. I expect a wagon on him Day 2 because he tosses out reads with complete confidence but when asked why, simply says 'I just know.'
In my first game, I argued that someone was mafia because they used emotes. Even if this is a weak observation, it's a step up.In post 117, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Activity tell eh.
Well i won’t disagree with you. I tend to lose interest sometimes if the game loses energy and i’m scum. (Because then i see no point in re-energizing it)-
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Strong townread on Nero.In post 204, Nero Cain wrote:here's my conclusion. Anime avatars are horrible.-
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-- Even if they find it to be filler, it might serve a purpose.In post 215, 72offsuit wrote: Nothing wrong with that post. Why wouldn't !townMM try to halt discussion that they think is filler and bloating the thread?
-- Spending your time trying to halt bad discussion isn't the same thing as attempting to generate good discussion.
-- If filler is removed from a thread, the pace becomes sluggish and the activity level dips. It makes it easier to coast.
Do you have any reads so far? Any thoughts on the conversations?In post 138, Lapsa wrote:
I don't.In post 40, SJReaver wrote: Hey Lapsa, what do you think of Bell's line of questioning? Is how someone responds to a role PM alignment indicative?-
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^ This was serious, by the way. I like the way he switches from pointed observations to chatter. It suggests he's trying to understand the motivations of players but also that he isn't self-conscious. That reads townie to me.In post 216, SJReaver wrote:
Strong townread on Nero.In post 204, Nero Cain wrote:here's my conclusion. Anime avatars are horrible.-
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My point being that there are reasons town!MM wouldn't try to halt discussion they consider filler.In post 225, 72offsuit wrote:
"Spending your time trying to halt bad discussion isn't the same thing as attempting to generate good discussion." Thanks Sherlock. What's you point?In post 222, SJReaver wrote:
-- Even if they find it to be filler, it might serve a purpose.In post 215, 72offsuit wrote: Nothing wrong with that post. Why wouldn't !townMM try to halt discussion that they think is filler and bloating the thread?
-- Spending your time trying to halt bad discussion isn't the same thing as attempting to generate good discussion.
-- If filler is removed from a thread, the pace becomes sluggish and the activity level dips. It makes it easier to coast.-
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Because it when I re-read it, it looked like a joke.In post 228, 72offsuit wrote: Why did you feel the need to state the Strong townread was serious? Why didn't you explain your read in the same post as you stated the read?
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In post 104, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Why do you feel the need to put "reason" next to every vote you make?
Do you townread Marshmellow? I find when people echo specific phrases while speaking with me, it's because the second speaker feels comfortable with the first.In post 228, 72offsuit wrote:Why did you feel the need to state the Strong townread was serious?-
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I have no clue and that is why I suck at this game.In post 274, Nero Cain wrote:and how do you tell the diffrence?
Can we go back to Norwegian though? I'm interested in if you're scum-reading him.-
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That makes perfect sense. I had wondered if you saw something I didn't.In post 278, Nero Cain wrote:
I'm not really understanding why a naked vote is getting everybody up in arms. I'm not really hard scumreading him or anything but I had a little niggle and I didn't really want to leave my vote empty after I got off Stan. Its been a while but I vaguely recall norway proclaiming himself as town ad nasuem when he was scum.In post 277, SJReaver wrote:Can we go back to Norwegian though? I'm interested in if you're scum-reading him.-
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The conversation between Neo and Norwegian looked like town snapping at one another. Power Over Me's vote struck me as more calculating and opportunistic, in that he was aiming for an emotional response from Norwegian.
It could be because he genuinely considers emotional responses alignment indicitive or it could be because he wanted to create a narrative of Norwegian overreating.
I lean slightly scum on it.
The Stanley thing looks like nothing to me. There are days when almost all the interaction in a thread feels fabricated to me. That sense of unreality is probably because when you're searching for scum, you'll see traces of it everywhere.-
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I gave you the benefit of the doubt but this is bullshit.In post 335, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Norway is scum. I'm not moving my vote for the rest of the day.
You didn't test Norway for reactivity, you targeted a poster you already knew tended to react to things and are now spinning that reaction into proof of being mafia. I mentioned at the beginning of the game that Norway was a good scum player, and I think you're trying to capitalize on townie paranoia of being tricked by good scum players.
Even if you did think Norway might be scum, there's no way you'd be 100% sure this early and planting your vote here means less pressure on real mafia. It's a safe way to look like you're scumhunting while contributing little.
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I read Nero and Bell as strong town.
I want to town read Glitch, but I'm lazy and for some reason when I read his posts, my eyes start to glaze over. I'll give him light town points and hope someone else points out if he's scummy.
72, Townlooter, Cat Scratch, and superbowl are all light town reads as well.
I expect more people to read 72 as scum the more he posts, but I went through a newbie game where he was miseliminated, and tends to be all over the place.-
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I can't keep up with all the real names in a 20+ game.In post 463, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Can you use regular names or something recognizable from their name? I can’t keep up with a lot of personalized pet nicknames in a 20+ game.In post 459, SJReaver wrote:Oh right, my possible scum pool is fuzzy alien, penis dude, MM, and David Bowie.
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More phrase echoing.In post 461, Pickaxe Pete wrote:
And why did you feel the need in 387 to state that you like your Marshmallow vote?-
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The game ended two days ago. Is there something you think I should have learned?In post 507, Town looter wrote: Random question, but do you feel like you have learned and improved since our last foray together? I feel like you have, so follow up question is what are your new, er, skills (for lack of a better term/phrase)?
Dead chat didn't like me and thought I was scum. But I wasn't scum and I managed to survive to the end and get both the mafia members.
I guess 'you can suck and still win' is a lesson.-
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If town was made up of robots instead of human beings, sure.In post 535, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I think town would try and incorporate other players into the game rather than try to convince others to ignore other players they had a bad one game experience with.
Someone who will exclude others due to one bad game is going to do so whether they're green or red.-
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I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.In post 865, ralph217 wrote:so i cant just say fwensid is scum since omgus . but other wise i wouldn't be here so i think he is expreee to lynch me . why scummy gibberish fwesnid?-
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One of these is not like the other. Town Looter, what are you doing on this wagon? Don't tell me it's because stanley, 72, or Mashmellow offered compelling arguments.
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Yes!In post 883, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Hey sunflower gal, you enjoying this game?
I thought it would be more hectic but I find the pace is fine for me. It's nice to pop in and see actual conversation. A bunch of my reads were townie at first, which isn't as fun. But my scum senses are starting to tingle.-
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That's why I picked it. Also, why I post random gifs.
The wagon against you is bad but it's in the lead. Why do you think that is?
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I do. And I think he's a solid townie as well. Not super but middle of the road when it comes to pushing the game. Which means I don't like that people are trying to eliminate him over weaker players.In post 887, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:What’s wrong with the super wagon, SJ? I think the wagon composition is townish. Do you think Super Bowl is towny?
What I'm asking myself is 'did scum start this wagon, or did scum see it rolling and hop on?'-
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It's a saying.In post 901, Hiraki wrote:Husbands and sons?-
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but you could be nice about it.In post 830, Hiraki wrote:Useless but also town.-
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This does not spark joy.In post 904, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I think the phrase is "lock up your daughters"
I want to hear Town Looter's reasoning first.In post 905, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Could I interest you in glitch-
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I'm not.In post 916, Town looter wrote:
You've been absent, I hope it's not because you have rolled scum and don't know what to post?In post 882, SJReaver wrote:
I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.In post 865, ralph217 wrote:so i cant just say fwensid is scum since omgus . but other wise i wouldn't be here so i think he is expreee to lynch me . why scummy gibberish fwesnid?
Why are you scum reading me?
Or, I wasn't until you quoted a random post, missed the part where I told the person I was voting for that I'd town read you, and decided I scum reading you. That does strike me as overly defensive.-
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He wasn't defending JV. He was saying he didn't like your take on matters.In post 934, Bell wrote: Please don't defend people you know because you know them.-
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Someone was supposed to ask 'but Reaver, why did you vote for 72?'
Thank you for asking, I shall tell you!
From my perspective, they had a single disagreement with superbowl over something NAI, voted them, and then picked up on things superbowl said afterwards to paint them as suspicious. This looks a lot like someone slipping onto a wagon after an actual townie and trying to blend in.
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This comes from scum more often than it comes from town.In post 152, superbowl9 wrote:Do you have anything else on Bell besides that he's lamisting? Convince me i'm wrong
If anyone wants to wagon superbowl, I'm on it.
^ said this after Stanley already voted for superbowl. In a later post added 'beat me to the punch' as though he didn't see the vote.In post 221, 72offsuit wrote:Meh, if you want something done well, do it yourself.
UNVOTE: Bell
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"There is no way someone with a town mindset..." gives me pings. One of the things I learned in my first game was that townies have vastly different mindsets and ways of looking at things. I've read through 72's previous games and he's typically the person with the unusual mindset.In post 640, 72offsuit wrote:
There's no way someone with a town mindest would misinterpret what I meant.In post 452, superbowl9 wrote:
Yes that's what I said. You think there's a town block in the top 5 LMAO??? We've been at each other's throatsIn post 440, 72offsuit wrote:
There are 5 scum. You seriously think all 5 are going to be low/medium posters and just allow town to form a town-block. Yeah nahIn post 346, superbowl9 wrote:I don't see scum in this top 5/6 teir of the activity list btw
Risk/reward of being that active this early in the game is not very favorable
Let me break it down.
1. You say "I don't see scum in this top 5/6 teir of the activity list btw"
2. I disagree. I say it's highly unlikely that all the top volume posters are town, on the premise alone that scum would not allow town to dictate the game's trajectory by mostly just lurking. If there are active town posters, scum will usually interject and derail unless there is TvT aggro.
3. You say "You think there's a town block in the top 5 LMAO?"
4. That is clearly not what I said.
More votes on superbowl required
Choo Choo Choo!
While I'm at it, I think it's clear what superbowl meant. Superbowl sees the most active posters as 'at each others throats.' As he assumes they're townie, the idea that they'd form a town block and need to be derailed strikes him as funny.
Could he have worded that better? Yes. But it's not hard to suss out his meaning with a second of reflection. This suggests 72 either had already decided to find superbowl's post 'scummy' or that he's too cognitively occupied to parse the comment. I consider this a possible scum trait--as a townie, we try to get into the heads of others. Scum already know who is townie and who is a baddie, so they're attempting to fake it.-
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Bell is my strongest town read right now. In our previous game we were masons together and he acted just like this.In post 949, Hiraki wrote:
I don't (feel well about JV's alignment) but I definitely do not (fell well about Bell's alignment)In post 947, Bell wrote:Well, try again.
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Bell. I was responding to Virgo's question.In post 962, Nero Cain wrote:
Who is that about?In post 960, SJReaver wrote:Very short posts, comes off as pretty confident/arrogant, and makes little snipes at people. He'll be a bit more talkative and open after D1 and D2.
If it makes you feel better, it's possible he doesn't think you're mafia but is simply seeing how you or others respond to his vote.
I did read your post and mulled over it. I'm leaning more townie on Stanley and will likely hop on the Glitch wagon before it leaves the station.
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The word dowel was used in Middle English; it appears in Wycliffe's Bible translation (circa 1382-1395) in a list of the parts of a wheel: "...and the spokis, and dowlis of tho wheelis..." Cognates with other Germanic languages suggest that the word is much older (deuvel in Dutch, Dübel in German).In post 882, SJReaver wrote: I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.
Wooden dowels have been used in manufacturing and woodworking for many centuries. One of the earliest documented uses of wooden dowels was in Japanese shrines in AD 690, which were constructed using only wood, wooden dowels and pegs, and interlocking joints. Around AD 1000, Leif Erikson sailed across the North Atlantic in a ship that was largely constructed of overlapping planks held together by wooden dowels and iron nails. The wooden dowels did not rust and thus were more reliable than iron for long expeditions.-
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Found it. Ten out of ten breadcrumbing.In post 965, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:
The woIn post 882, SJReaver wrote: I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.rd dowel was used in Middle English; it appears in Wycliffe's Bible translation (circa 1382-1395) in a list of the parts of a wheel: "...and the spokis, and dowlis of tho wheelis..." Cognates with other Germanic languages suggest that the word is much older (deuvel in Dutch, Dübel in German).
Wooden dowels have been usedin manufacturing and woodworking for many centuries. One of the earliest documented uses ofwooden dowelswas in Japanese shrines in AD 690, which were constructed using only wood, wooden dowels and pegs, and interlocking joints. Around AD 1000, Leif Erikson sailed across the North Atlantic in a ship that was largely constructed of overlapping planks held together by wooden dowels and iron nails. The wooden dowels did not rust and thus weremore reliable than iron for long expeditions.-
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