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[JacksonVirgo]

Howdy all
UNVOTE:
No idea where my vote is rn

Spoiler: Catchup (somewhat)

Why did i join a 20+ game. Omg. Time to fight against the wagon dynamics of dogpiling on an random player.
Vigs better shoot tonight.

Why would vig's have to shoot tonight? Wouldn't it be better to save the vig shots for a 1 for 1 scenario or similar or at least until we've got a bunch more reads down.

VOTE: Town Looter

Reason:

Shot through the heart and you're to blame.

This is my first game out of the newbie forum. Question: "The townvmafia numbers are confirmed to be 16v5," so this is definitely two factions? No worrying about more than one mafia or a serial killer?

Where does it say that it's 16v5? I don't remember reading that anywhere

Bell has been eliminated. He was a

Mafia Goon

~clip~

Oh hecc yeah, maf down boi

Given the size of this group, how do you feel about eliminating low-activity slots?

Do you agree with Norwegian that vigs should shoot early?

Unless there is good evidence of lurking, no. Mis-elimming an active slot will generally tell us more than a mis-elim on an inactive slot. This obviously only applies to early game, activity will be a useful source of information later in the game because of how easy it is to fly below the radar.

I've never played a setup with a vig, and haven't really thought about it. So not sure, probably defer to other's better judgement on this.

I don't believe this answered their question at all but I am personally against shooting N1 as you may end up killing a strong PR or the like stupidly and then go "Oh oop- soz"

Also is kill credits a thing?

And now, can we start calling eachother scum so that we can have meaningful discussion, please? This debate about lynching and shooting basing on activity isn't alignment indicative, and we've basically killed RVS' significance here.

I'm here for you, bro.

VOTE: Mashmallow

Reason:

Claims previous discussion is NAI and has killed RVS on

page 2

when the majority of people haven't voted. Claims calling others scum is more useful but then doesn't do it themselves.

Ew

@Mod It should be 11 to lynch, I'm voting for Bell while Glitch is not, and superbowl is voting for Glitch.

This is my first game out of the newbie forum. Question: "The townvmafia numbers are confirmed to be 16v5," so this is definitely two factions? No worrying about more than one mafia or a serial killer?

Yes there are exactly 16 town, and exactly 5 mafia of one faction.

Full and odd-night vigilantes should almost always be shooting night 1. X-shot is pretty situational.

superbowl's two recent posts ping.

Can you explain to me as to why vigilantes should shoot N1, I don't see the benefit outside of just killing town off faster with the small chance of hitting a wolf.

From my long experience of playing with Norweegian (1 game!), he screams town when he's town.

I’M TOWN!

Oh god you're here

Your vote was RVS initially no? For a 21 player game seems very convenient that your RVS vote just happened to morph into your biggest scumread

That's happened plenty of times for me and was actually right on a few of them if I recall correctly, this is just pointless shade.

here's my conclusion. Anime avatars are horrible.

How dare you

Anime pfps are rising in strength. Soon we will take over the universe

This reminds me of the game I hosted with you in super lel

Are we really reading into the reasons for which people read other games when they were bored? That looks like a prototype of NAI thing to me.

This reads like busywork to me. Fake attempt at looking like town doing things useful for town. Bell is my first scumread so far.

Good enough for me.

VOTE: Bell Choo choo!

Are we really reading into the reasons for which people read other games when they were bored? That looks like a prototype of NAI thing to me.

This reads like busywork to me. Fake attempt at looking like town doing things useful for town. Bell is my first scumread so far.

LOL, voted for the wrong player.

VOTE: MM Choo choo!

If 72 flips wolf, Bell and MM are the same alignment. Assuming no 3ps

strong

FLOWER

read on SJR

Strong

CAIN

read on Nero

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Naked votes give me the vote tag finger twitches. Though EE's response to that vote is wolfy, and nero's reaction to that is the same as mine I just realised so that's probably town

FoS on Norwegian

[JacksonVirgo]

Greetings, strangers!

Greetings.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm too lazy to post more rn, but I just checked the VC so I didn't accidentally hammer and whammers this can get popped here for now


VOTE: Norwegian

[JacksonVirgo]

superbowl wagon seems heckin gross as well, only good votee there would maybe be looter but still.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Looter

Your avi is glorious.

I shall now disappear

[JacksonVirgo]

Thinking Reaver is excited town. Or not a newb.

Thinking Reaver is excited town. Or not a newb.

Thanks for pointing this out. Went to ISO that slot and have a completely different opinion now.

I'm not sure why this keeps on happening, but no, I'm not an alt. I started playing Town of Salem in early-July and switched to forum mafia because I like the slower pace. Other than that, I don't have any experience with the game.

Yay! A fellow ToS player!

I am one too fam

[JacksonVirgo]

From my long experience of playing with Norweegian (1 game!), he screams town when he's town.

I’M TOWN!

I CC

I am town encryptor.

I know this is probably fake, but what the heck is an encryptor

[JacksonVirgo]

I know this is probably fake, but what the heck is an encryptor

How do you *know* that this is *probably* fake?

It's called context lad

[JacksonVirgo]

as an encrytor allows for day talk. If you are really that role then we could lynch you to take away scums day chat.

Oh, aight that's what the role is

[JacksonVirgo]

I know this is probably fake, but what the heck is an encryptor

How do you *know* that this is *probably* fake?

It's called context lad

VOTE: JV

Wut

[JacksonVirgo]

I know this is probably fake, but what the heck is an encryptor

How do you *know* that this is *probably* fake?

It's called context lad

Elaborate.

Why do I need to elaborate, it was a response to a joke claim so in extension it would be a joke. Are you serious

[JacksonVirgo]

because you asked.

Norwe, NPOM, Marshal, townlooter, glitch, Jackson, lapsa, offsuit, fwesnid, pickaxe, Stanley.

That's a chunky poe

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s day one my man.

lets make this Glitch wagon a thing. to me Bell and you 2 TOSers!

I’m kind of picky. A player can post once and destroy a strong town read or vice versa to me. Nothing i’ve Seen from any of those players has really grabbed me and told me what they are yet.

What's with Glitch or is it a thing I haven't caught up to yet?

[JacksonVirgo]

its a glitch, ofc its bad.

but also he's calling me scum for attcking norway but also said that he'd be willing to wagon/lynch norway and the mental gymnastics needed for that is mind boggling. Only a few ppl have called him on it and he hasn't offred an explanation so it looks like scum ignoring something potential damming in hopes that it goes away.

I'll have to wait and see their response when I catch up further, but if that is the case I can easily see that flipping wolf

[JacksonVirgo]

also, no one found this funny so I am a bit sad face.

I have 99 problems but a glitch isn't one of them.

VOTE: glitch

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[JacksonVirgo]

Oh, MS doesn't word-wrap single word strings, that's interesting

[JacksonVirgo]

or wait, maybe im wrong.

If I SR you because of your play, and SR Norway because of his play, it is optimal to apply pressure, not to speculate blindfolded on a possible scum alliance. I am certainly not, in a game this large especially, going to speculate on players playing scum together right off the bat on D1.

he seems to be hinting that he thinks I was bussing norway. it's still weird mostly.

Is that the post you were voting them for?

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler: Catchup Pt2

Nero just spill why you're voting me, i'm not up for your games. Get it over with.

Why are you freaking out over one vote?

I don't see asking a question as "freaking out". Why are you trying to misrep everyone?

I think it was more of an exaggeration to say that they're acting weirdly towards a naked vote on themself. Well maybe not but that's why I am SRing NEE rn.

He can't help it. When you're a as hardcore of a anime-profile-picture hating man as Nero Cain you see scum everywhere.

This sounds like they're trying to discredit Nero

I'm liking NPOM's content so far. Seems similar to their townplay i'm familiar with.

Give some details or I'll assume this is a pocket

Norway townreading Nero and Nero scumreading Norway. I'll have to think on this.

I'll have to poke you on your current reads on this, although you likely have already and I shall see later.

Anyway let's stop talking about that. It will just waste time.
I'm reconsidering Stan based on NPOM's statement on them so i'll go back here for now. VOTE: Bell

This sounds really forced

Poor little Nero Cain
Thought he catched a scum today

But lo' behold
He was a troll

No redflips for scum huntin cain today.

What the fuck is this

spells ridiculous wrong then argues that norway is dumb...

Dude, there's a huge difference between being dumb and mispelling a word.

Norway is scum. I'm not moving my vote for the rest of the day.

Though this seems like a really bad play, I doubt scum would cement their read into the ground and stick to it as scum would likely want to be more adaptive to lynches.

I mean "failing" that RT shouldn't lead to a SR

Super ignoring the fact Nero said it wasn't a reaction test is a thing.

UNVOTE: RozyRoz

Recalling one balloon.

Oh look that's me I think

The fact is that scum are more likely to be emotional about small wagons than town. Town are able to shift focus and still scumhunt elsewhere. As of now, it seems that Norway's only ambition is to get the focus off of him.

The super tunnel from NPOM is kinda weird, not in a scummy way it's just making me think that I've been super biased in my reads so I might re-read NEE's iso after I fully catch up to double check if what I am seeing is scummy or just yeah.

OMGUS and all but Glitch is scum.

This is some major bullshit. I wish I could have been here when your wagon was alive and strong so I could bolster it with my vote as well.

instead of voting the guy that that's the leading wagon that you CLAIM you are ok with you plop down a vanity vote?

Sounds like Nero's Glitch read didn't come from nowhere so I think that nero is even more townie to me. We shall see.

You do feel very townie nero.
Do you like town blocks? Do you like gambling?
Wanna join my town block? (Town only).

How much for a ticket, asking for a friend.

I have no feelings on Stan whatsoever.
I’m in watch mode on Norwe, they seem kinda burdened by a scum role pm, but maybe it’s just that the game is big

I am not sure I understand this, could I ask what you mean here.

The difference in a 4 vote wagon and a 5 vote wagon in this game is literally so miniscule that it makes no difference, especially when one of those votes is Lapsa. The MM wagon will continue to die down until MM comes back on and responds to the investigation kicked off by CSF and reminded by me in my post above. If his response is shitty then I'm all for building a serious wagon then. But let's not pretend that 3 votes + Lapsa is a remarkable wagon opportunity to pass up. It's not.

I love a good, strong wagon. The MM wagon is not one as it stands and my vote remains more useful on you.

So far today I'll be cool with serious wagons forming on Nero, MM depending on response, or Norway. I won't be voting Superbowl or NPOM as they are my highest TRs, CSF is almost up to that same peak tier.

Bell why does Nero feel townie to you?
Nero, why are you hesitant to accept the town block invitation?
Popopo, have you not shown up yet because of the vote tag rule?

This is a giant mess. Explain your reads dude

also im not getting lynched d1 so your vote is p useless.

I don't like this post at all, I reallly hate cocky players but I am not entirely sure if it's NAI. Doesn't really affect my read on them at all

I have 99 problems but a glitch isn't one of them.

VOTE: glitch

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(I laughed, 'twas funny)

bruh future JV, start from here

[JacksonVirgo]

naw, we were talking about

So far today I'll be cool with serious wagons forming on Nero, MM depending on response, or Norway

like one of the first things he did was attack me for voting norway. So it was wierd to me (and I think someone else, CSF?) that he was calling me scum but also willing to wagon the guy that he was chainsaw defending.

Ah yeah I saw that catching up, am unsure if I see the same thing as you but I am half asleep

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't like this post at all, I reallly hate cocky players but I am not entirely sure if it's NAI. Doesn't really affect my read on them at all

I mean, I am somewhat cocky but it's just mostly facts. I'm getting alot of town reads and ummm....there's a shit ton of players with more heat than me so yeah, I feel fairly confident that I'm not going to get lynched today.

Yeah I know the meaning behind it, just don't like how it was worded

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler: Jackson Virgo catchup trimmed

Why did i join a 20+ game. Omg. Time to fight against the wagon dynamics of dogpiling on an random player.
Vigs better shoot tonight.

Why would vig's have to shoot tonight? Wouldn't it be better to save the vig shots for a 1 for 1 scenario or similar or at least until we've got a bunch more reads down.

Given the size of this group, how do you feel about eliminating low-activity slots?

Do you agree with Norwegian that vigs should shoot early?

Unless there is good evidence of lurking, no. Mis-elimming an active slot will generally tell us more than a mis-elim on an inactive slot. This obviously only applies to early game, activity will be a useful source of information later in the game because of how easy it is to fly below the radar.

I've never played a setup with a vig, and haven't really thought about it. So not sure, probably defer to other's better judgement on this.

I don't believe this answered their question at all but I am personally against shooting N1 as you may end up killing a strong PR or the like stupidly and then go "Oh oop- soz"

Also is kill credits a thing?

@Mod It should be 11 to lynch, I'm voting for Bell while Glitch is not, and superbowl is voting for Glitch.

This is my first game out of the newbie forum. Question: "The townvmafia numbers are confirmed to be 16v5," so this is definitely two factions? No worrying about more than one mafia or a serial killer?

Yes there are exactly 16 town, and exactly 5 mafia of one faction.

Full and odd-night vigilantes should almost always be shooting night 1. X-shot is pretty situational.

superbowl's two recent posts ping.

Can you explain to me as to why vigilantes should shoot N1, I don't see the benefit outside of just killing town off faster with the small chance of hitting a wolf.

Unless a vigilante is x-shot they can't 'save' shots.
A full vigilante is a very strong role, there's not much you're gonna hit. (For perspective, if a vigilante shoots twice, and one shot is someone town would've eliminated anyway, and the other is just not someone scum would nk upon roleclaim, the vigilante was positive.)
Haven't heard of kill credits so probably not.
If there are three deaths night 1 and no weak/babysitters etc. we know there is at least two vigilantes.


UNVOTE: VOTE: superbowl
I scumread how he interacted with MM, it seemed very dismissive, and am curious of his perspective of offsuit's point.

On my home site it's discouraged to shoot early as a vigilante, maybe that's leaking through on this site where it's the opposite.

[JacksonVirgo]

It has to be 2 vigilante setup. I see no other way around it.

Your avi is quite... unique

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh look that's me I think

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Four balloons to you.

I love balloons!

[JacksonVirgo]

If you think im scum AND don't think we are scum together then you have to think he's town

I understand the point you're trying to make but the only way that this would be true is if I knew for a fact that your alignment was scum. I am speculating and making a case that you are scum because in my mind, you are the highest likelihood to be scum right now. But I don't know for a fact that you are, and I am well aware that I could be wrong and I could get you lynched and you could flip town. Therefore, my read on Norway is not going to be influenced by my read on you because my read on you could very well be wrong.

My quote of the wiki was because you're don't like that I won't call you two a scum team, but I just won't. Most likely, one of you is scum and one of you is town, but I have a hard time figuring out which one. I lean your way but understand that I may be wrong, and both of you being in my scum reads because of your own individual actions does not make me want to lynch first, evaluate later. If I wanted a wreckless lynch I would have just joined the MM wagon. That wagon was freaking easy to jump on.

If I were scum why would I be motivated to push you so hard when I'm literally the only one SRing you?

Disgusting post.
VOTE: Glitch

I mean instead of just saying it's disgusting, you could give me something to go on?

I mean, this is townie imo. The last sentence not anything else

[JacksonVirgo]

tell me if im wrong bus is"nt most survivor expert at playing

This one I get. I’m not sure how you get the survivor tag. I thought it had to do with surviving to the end as a 3rd party. Which is difficult yes.

Survivor is a tag you get once you've made 10 000+ posts.
Jack of all trades 5000+
Mafia scum 1000+
Etc etc

How does one check how many posts they've made?

[JacksonVirgo]

What do you think of Virgo entrance Norwe?

I didn't like that they have the same stance as Glitch where apparently they don't want vigs to use their shots tonight. Because: "they might hit town!" Yeah no shit sherlock. That's ignoring the fact that vigs should always aim for players that are already in the PoE and are likely players that would be suspected/lynched anyway. Seeing their flip instantly would give a lot of info to town to assess the gamestate and see whether town is on the right track or if they need to reassess.
Their post 622 is mostly just casual discrediting of what i say, and seems like they're trying to justify their vote on me and put up a pretense of town reading up on the game rather than actually solve. Don't really like their slot based on that.

As I just said, it's a home site thing. Town of salem FM kinda shits on people if you vigi shoot N1

[JacksonVirgo]

When I say clumsy I mean inoffensive, cautious, like he has to choose carefully who his friends and enemies are.

Only reason I'd be cautious is because I don't know who to trust as I don't really know how anyone plays and/or never played with them before ever/in a while.

[JacksonVirgo]

Click on your own name bottom right corner shows total posts says you have 2407

Oh thanks dude, also you called me a he before. Sorry but could you call me by their/them. Thanks

[JacksonVirgo]

Said another way, you’re thinking about how to adapt to people.

Not sure what you mean by that

[JacksonVirgo]

In ToS you commit suicide if you shoot town as vigi. Here you just lose a bullet and kill a townie. That makes shooting much less punishing.

I'm not talking about the game, I'm talking about the Forum Mafia games in the ToS forums.

[JacksonVirgo]

In ToS you commit suicide if you shoot town as vigi. Here you just lose a bullet and kill a townie. That makes shooting much less punishing.

I'm not talking about the game, I'm talking about the Forum Mafia games in the ToS forums.

But yeah the forums are somewhat similar except even when you do have shots, it's kinda hated on for you to shoot N1

[JacksonVirgo]

It has to be 2 vigilante setup. I see no other way around it.

Rolefishing much?

Fos lapsa

I thought this was a joke but I can see that

[JacksonVirgo]

It has to be 2 vigilante setup. I see no other way around it.

Rolefishing much?

Fos lapsa

I read that as a shitpost, but I am comfortable with your outcome, if not reasoning.

Yeah I had the same thoughts on it

[JacksonVirgo]

It has to be 2 vigilante setup. I see no other way around it.

Rolefishing much?

Fos lapsa

Even scum syntax theory is miles better than that.

What do you mean

[JacksonVirgo]

^ “you’re being slow this game(probably referring to only commenting on this awhile after lapsa wrote his comment), but the game isn’t as fast. Why is it role fishing? I don’t like you”-Ralph.

You're a lad

[JacksonVirgo]

LicketyQuickety, popo etc and Ganelon will be replaced as a result of their inability to respond to their prod

Ha, get ricketyreplaced

[JacksonVirgo]

I can't tell if I'm scumreading Ralph or if I'm just annoyed that I need someone to translate his posts for me to understand them.

Your avi looks like something a new web designer would do and think is a good background. Also I think it's the fact you can't understand them that you think they're scummy, they are at least trying to post content as of late.

Speaking of which.
@Ralph what are your thoughts on the top wagons?

[JacksonVirgo]

Hiraki replaces LicketyQuickety

Don't recognize the name, sad

[JacksonVirgo]

Asking setup related questions can be inferred as rolefishing.

Oh alright, I just assumed rolefishing was just baiting someone to slip or claim their role

[JacksonVirgo]

Forgot this game existed, I've been out all day so it's probably fair. Will post in a few hours when I get home + rest a tad.

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually I've got 30 mins to blow

[JacksonVirgo]

bell should come back to glitch and nopower should join us

VOTE: Glitch

VOTE: Glitch

Cooling on MM scum

Oofers

[JacksonVirgo]

Nero and lickity are the only two with the survivor tag this game I think.

I'm not gon' give up
I'm not gon' stop
I'm gon' work harder
I'm a survivor

Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

I wish I were as cool as Bell.

VOTE: lapsa lapsa might be scum they havent said nothing here stale buddying

hello ralph

Terrible response to that

[JacksonVirgo]

cant see any reasoning for scum to do that if trying to push a NBEE mislynch

Freudian slip?

nero is using a lot of ATE in this post to make his argument seem valid but its just not at all.

that's not

ATE

. You are just throwing out a buzzword in a vain attempt to criticize. Guy is literally quoting the wiki to say "the wiki says to not speculate on scum teams day 1 and I am doing just that!" It's so rigid and narrow and fake. It seems very not town logic for him to see me vote his (supposed) scum read and just go "oh I'm going to ignore the fact that these two prob aren't scum together and push both of them!" He's not facing the dilema he's presented with. Since he (and you) have made it clear that he doesn't think there was a bus he has to think that I am scum that pushed town or town that pushed scum. By pushing both of us and ignoring the dynamic he's just increasing his mislynch pool (assuming norway is town). Its scum logic to do so.

I keep forgetting all the slip names, is the freudian is where your subconscious comes out accidentally or something like that?

[JacksonVirgo]

Why did you claim?

Because daytalk is on, so I though everyone will understand that the claim was a joke.

So you are conscious about what you say, interesting

[JacksonVirgo]

I would say Hikari's catch up sounds stiff but apparently that's how they play so I'll give it a small pass for now

[JacksonVirgo]

Prodding SJReaver

Get ProperProdded

[JacksonVirgo]

Your avi looks like something a new web designer would do and think is a good background.

That's basically what happened, I then cropped it to avatar size.

I'm a genius

[JacksonVirgo]

Even if there's flips? That's hardcore.

Especially when there's flips. I avoid groupthink that way. If town is lynching scum, best not to interfere. If town is not lynching scum, a new theory might help.

I do look at VCs though and if there's relevant claims people know to tell me.

I'm a bit of a character though.

Doesnt it make it hard to catch onto what's happening?

[JacksonVirgo]

Well, you do you. I doubt you'll change now and I guess you're more of an interactive type.

I'm town by the way. Are you scum?

Why do you do this to my soul

[JacksonVirgo]

I still really want to eliminate Virgo tbh.

Double hurting my soul

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah, a freudian slip is where you say outloud subconscious feelings.

For example, a partner might say "I want a divorce." Outloud, but hadn't really reached that conclusion consciously until then.

Freud is a hack tho.

Ah nice, memory didn't fail me today.
Also hack as in isn't reliable?

[JacksonVirgo]

Are you sure you're not scum Virgo? This is a high fluff to hunting ratio you got goin' on.

I don't remember ever saying "I am Town" or anything so your question is kinda broke. Also I am out in public so I am not putting a lot of effort in

[JacksonVirgo]

/reveal as IC

[JacksonVirgo]

Are you sure you're not scum Virgo? This is a high fluff to hunting ratio you got goin' on.

I don't love JV but I definitely don't love this.

Please don't defend people you know because you know them.

What? I never played with them before I don't think

[JacksonVirgo]

ALso I'm not an IC that's a joke

[JacksonVirgo]

It would have been nice if you were.

I know :c

I've only been IC once in my entire FM career and I sucked balls at utilizing it so it probably would have ended up terrible if so.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm awaiting a VC

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright so Ima head out

[JacksonVirgo]

Terrible response to that

If you got attention span of a gold fish.

??

[JacksonVirgo]

virgo y aren't you voting Glitch?

Should I be? :O

What do I get if I do

[JacksonVirgo]

Well, try again.

I don't (feel well about JV's alignment) but I definitely do not (fell well about Bell's alignment)

Happy?

Bell is my strongest town read right now. In our previous game we were masons together and he acted just like this.

How is "like this"

[JacksonVirgo]

What do I get if I do

my undying gratitude and a scum lynch

Tempting

[JacksonVirgo]

Very short posts, comes off as pretty confident/arrogant, and makes little snipes at people. He'll be a bit more talkative and open after D1 and D2.

If it makes you feel better, it's possible he doesn't think you're mafia but is simply seeing how you or others respond to his vote.

Aight

[JacksonVirgo]

Glitch (6): Nero Cain, NorwegianBoyEE, Bell, Cat Scratch Fever, Hiraki, Titus
superbowl9 (4): stan1ey, 72offsuit,Town looter, Fwesnid
Lapsa (4): ralph217, I Keep Siteflaking, NoPowerOverMe, superbowl9
Nero Cain (2): Glitch, Marshmallow
NorwegianBoyEE (1):JacksonVirgo
JacksonVirgo (1): Pickaxe Pete
72offsuit (1): SJReaver


Not Voting: Almost50, Lapsa

[JacksonVirgo]

Let's put this out there

GLITCH IS AT L-1 DO NOT VOTE HIM FURTHER UNTIL WE GET A CLAIM

Great,
Glitch, why aren't you mafia this game? Who do you think on your wagon might be mafia? Or just in general, who do you think is mafia.

I'm gonna vote them >:)

[JacksonVirgo]

Did you just hammer Nero?

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel like Superbowl is a better lynch info-wise.

PLEASE

remember this if I flip green at any point

I'll add it to my

spank

memory bank.

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't really mind that Glitch was lynched today although I seriously think scum more likely lies in NEE/Lapsa.

Glitch reads to me like too much of LHF ngl

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah he was already voting glitch

I know, I was thinking he was hammer testing. I was playing into it lel

[JacksonVirgo]

How long until EoD?

[JacksonVirgo]

It's either someone has no vote or Glitch's VC is wrong

[JacksonVirgo]

You'll need to specify which assumption I'm making.
I guess you could say that I assumed she didn't lie when she said she was new.

I have seen plenty of newbie!scum do really well, do not assume that experience = skill.

[JacksonVirgo]

I like NP and Nero's response to Bell

[JacksonVirgo]

Gonna play some games with my sister, I'll be back

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm just gonna say this now so I don't have to later, I am having life issues so I might dissapear for a day or two suddenly. I won't completely drop the game as it's fun just in the midst of having to move out suddenly and all that.

I will definitely say that I am VLA for a few days when that happens but please don't think that's me just prodging for the sake of prodging as I'm going through a lot.

Thank you all

[JacksonVirgo]

Waiting for glitch to post.
We can agree to disagree. I don't think she's scum though. For a bunch of different reasons.
If you think she's scum you'll need to explain yourself.

If they're scum they might not at all, as delaying the day to emit to nothing may be +ev from their scenario if they think they're gonna get lynched regardless.

[JacksonVirgo]

kinda think SJR might be scum.

If you didn't know, grilled and buttered sunflower can be eaten whole. It's like corn on the cob.

That serious? That's both epic and and awkward reply to that post.

[JacksonVirgo]

Superbowl
Ikeepsiteflaking
Bell
Hiraki
A50

Is this your poe?

[JacksonVirgo]

Stan what’s your read on me?

I've only seen this said as scum, if it's from town. Why do you ask this as you probably would rather see their read on someone else to give more information.

[JacksonVirgo]

Superbowl
Ikeepsiteflaking
Bell
Hiraki
A50

Is this your poe?

Well not poe, but your suspected scum-team?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm just gonna say this now so I don't have to later, I am having life issues so I might dissapear for a day or two suddenly. I won't completely drop the game as it's fun just in the midst of having to move out suddenly and all that.

I will definitely say that I am VLA for a few days when that happens but please don't think that's me just prodging for the sake of prodging as I'm going through a lot.

Thank you all

Take care, look after yourself.

No worries pal hope all is well

Thanks y'all

[JacksonVirgo]

@NEE, I am unsure if I worded it right but I seriously was asking why you asked that.

[JacksonVirgo]

Stan what’s your read on me?

I've only seen this said as scum, if it's from town. Why do you ask this as you probably would rather see their read on someone else to give more information.

I’m asking because Stan1ey strongly townread me in my latest game with him, so i find it strange he’s reading me so differently here. Therefore i’m trying to understand it.
Real nice shade btw, "i’ve only said scum say this" lol.

It wasn't shade at all but you're free to think that. The wording didn't sound anything like what you just explained but that may be my tired eyes

[JacksonVirgo]

Seen*
Anyway, is that a weird thing to say now that you know the context JV?

What part may I ask

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ve seen town ask specific people how they’re read multiple times so i’m not sure where you got the idea only scum would ask that either.

I do not recall ever seeing Town ask that, and I ask it all the time as scum but not as Town.

[JacksonVirgo]

Stan what’s your read on me?

I've only seen this said as scum, if it's from town. Why do you ask this as you probably would rather see their read on someone else to give more information.

I’m asking because Stan1ey strongly townread me in my latest game with him, so i find it strange he’s reading me so differently here. Therefore i’m trying to understand it.
Real nice shade btw, "i’ve only said scum say this" lol.

It wasn't shade at all but you're free to think that. The wording didn't sound anything like what you just explained but that may be my tired eyes

Yeah, why would i reveal my actual intentions behind asking that question? That would make it possible for a theoretical scum!stanley to say what he thinks i want to hear.

Excuse me, what?

[JacksonVirgo]

NEE I think we're confusing each other lol, yeah I'll drop it

[JacksonVirgo]

what about nero today, superbowl tomorrow?

What a chad

[JacksonVirgo]

whats a chad?

A Chad is like 2x Nero Cain’s combined into one.

Accurate

[JacksonVirgo]

Ftr im against lining up lynched. but either one is a good lynch rn

What do you mean by this?

[JacksonVirgo]

Ftr im against lining up lynched. but either one is a good lynch rn

What do you mean by this?

I'm happy to lynch either nero or superbowl today (preferably nero)but it's best not to line up lynches ie. we shouldn't seriously be suggesting to lynch X person today and Y person tomorrow

I was hoping that's what you meant.

I think stan is town ngl

[JacksonVirgo]

I was hoping that's what you meant.

I think stan is town ngl

Why does that make you think he’s town?

Because it's a townie mindset. Scum stan would have no issue just saying they wouldn't mind chain-lynching as that would probably be easier but they didn't.

[JacksonVirgo]

you do know that scum can and will say "townie" things just to appear townie, right?

I know this, I'm not stupid. I still don't see scum!them saying that at all.

[JacksonVirgo]

and sometimes its the scum that look the most town b/c they are trying harder to activly look town.

I think you are being naive.

Perhaps I am, but I'm sticking to my read

[JacksonVirgo]

what about nero today, superbowl tomorrow?

Ftr im against lining up lynched. but either one is a good lynch rn

^Wow I actually agree with you almost 100% on this

What a chad

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm on page 42, catching up. Don't hammer yet.

Hype

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not at L-1 right? I'll soft claim now and hard claim if I'm put back at L-1. Y'all need me to stay alive until like Day 4. Please don't make me hard claim.

I'll just be honest, I let myself get really emotional and worked up with the Nero interaction. I got really frustrated because I've been making genuine, real arguments and they get consistently shot down and discredited as scummy when they are actually genuine. I know it's part of the game but I got really exhausted with Nero and felt so ready to be done. I genuinely believe Nero is scum because of the arguments I've presented so far, but I also understand that I may be SR'ing him so hard cause I'm just pissed that he is tunneling me so hard.

Is this why you disappeared for a bit?

I stand by everything I said about Nero. I understand I could be playing like a noob but it's all been genuine and if I get eliminated for it, when I flip town please let me know how I can play better and not get voted off D1 cause it tends to happen a lot to me.

I feel this bit, oof

Regardless, I'm a town PR that won't be super useful until later in the game. I've been having a really hard time sorting people and making heads and tails of anyone in this game. Idk if it's because it's my first large, Idk if it's because I'm frustrated and too focused in one spot, or something else. Right now my SRs are still Nero, Norway, MM, and I SL Hiraki and Lapsa and would love a push on both of them. I went kind of null on MM at one point but I'm back to a SR there and would be okay with a vote there. I've also gotten some off vibes from SB which is weird because SB was a super strong TR of mine early on. Not sure where I stand on him right now. I'm TR'ing stanley because of his more recent content -- not because he's defending me. See quotes on MM and stan below.

My first large was overwhelming as fuck so I know how that feels, I believe this is the second of mine but could be wrong my memory sucks. And you would want a push on your SL's and not your SR's? Or am I reading wrong.

You are using the "Norwee was pushed hard enough for scummates to want to save him" argument against Glitch and are pushing his lynch for it

I am 100% in favor of eliminating Nero but this is not an argument he ever made. This isn't even a misrep, this is a straight up lie, and I like the lal policy so I'll be okay supporting a MM elim now if the Nero wagon won't pick up enough traction to eliminate.

Ftr im against lining up lynched. but either one is a good lynch rn

What do you mean by this?

I'm happy to lynch either nero or superbowl today (preferably nero)but it's best not to line up lynches ie. we shouldn't seriously be suggesting to lynch X person today and Y person tomorrow

Why would scum say this?

I have no idea if this is a pocket or whatnot but I totally agree

[JacksonVirgo]

I genuinely believe Nero is scum because of the arguments I've presented so far, but I also understand that I may be SR'ing him so hard cause I'm just pissed that he is tunneling me so hard.

I don't get this. You're pissed at him "tunneling you" but you believe he is scum at the same time? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
VOTE: Glitch

I mean I get what you're saying but I can also get what they're saying as on my home-site it happens a lot and it hurts my eagerness to play a game.

[JacksonVirgo]

y is Lapsa worth lynching over someone like ralph or pete or that wind guy?

Wind guy?

[JacksonVirgo]

I think it's townie the way glitch phrased his claim.


VOTE: 72offsuit
They're the much worse half of the continuous argument with reaver that got overshadowed.

1138 is avoiding the reason reaver scumreads offsuit and instead asking for specifics of a tangent of the argument.

Is popping in right as you are getting wagoned a scum thing or just no?

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah poo, he went back to lurking.

Funny thing is funny

[JacksonVirgo]

Yes that is scummy jackson

Regarding popping in?
Aight I thought so as well

/vote Fwesnid

[JacksonVirgo]

Yes that is scummy jackson

Regarding popping in?
Aight I thought so as well

/vote Fwesnid

Used to my home-site's voting
VOTE: Fwesnid

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you still scumread me town looter

By the wording, I would say yes

[JacksonVirgo]

@Bell, do you make a sound if I shake you?

[JacksonVirgo]

Of course I do.

Lock town

[JacksonVirgo]

Prodding Titus

Get PricketyProdded

[JacksonVirgo]

You're late to the obv town bell wagon.
But I am magnanimous. You may obvtown read me.

Yesn't

[JacksonVirgo]

^"I politely decline"

Didn't think I would have to translate two people here, but there you go.
Bed time.

You're a chad

[JacksonVirgo]

Going to do a no device day tomorrow for many reasons I don't feel comfortable saying here. I just need a break from it all for a day.

@Mod I am V/LA for like 48 hours just in case I don't post for a tad longer. I don't want to feel pressured into anything like I usually do in games.

Sorry guys

[JacksonVirgo]

72 off suit is the only person left on the superbowl wagon. Let it go, dude! If you're town, put your vote somewhere useful.
Nero Cain is the only person left on the stanley wagon. Let is go, dude! If you're town, put your vote somewhere useful.

Hikari - You were so much cooler in the last game I saw you in.
ralph - Oh, you town read me now? Stand up guy, that ralph. 10 out of 10 player.

VOTE: Fwesnid

This is some low hanging fruit.

Did you just admit to just voting LHF for no reason?
UNVOTE: Fwesnid

[JacksonVirgo]

Don't like the bunch of blind votes on Fwen

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't get it, why are some of you switching to a different wagon even if you claim to scumread Glitch?

Good post

[JacksonVirgo]

Scumslipped.

Yup.

Though I do not like the first post, the reply is disgusting

[JacksonVirgo]

I genuinely believe Nero is scum because of the arguments I've presented so far, but I also understand that I may be SR'ing him so hard cause I'm just pissed that he is tunneling me so hard.

I don't get this. You're pissed at him "tunneling you" but you believe he is scum at the same time? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
VOTE: Glitch

VOTE: Nor-boy

Voting a claimed PR on D1 is just...

I wouldn't mind a NEE hammer today

[JacksonVirgo]

Huh, Why A50 in your town pile Reaver?

We're Masons! (Not really, but people ALWAYS ask such silly questions that could potentially lead to exposing Masons all the time). Can't/couldn't you just take it down as a note for now and come back to it on D2/D3 for example?

I have no idea how you differentiate between town power roles and scum.


@jackson, sadly accurate. Also, be well.

@sta1nley, I guess maybe i’ll Make a case for Nero town later. Or not.

What part was accurate? And yeah I decided to check this game for half an hour and then ditch again.

[JacksonVirgo]

I am

confident

I caught Scum!Norwee here. Please vote him with me

That I shall
VOTE: Norwegian

[JacksonVirgo]

Still don’t TR glitch like at all.
VOTE: Fwesnid

This is gross

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyone advocating a glitch elim at this point is scummy.

Agreed

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Fwesnid

Another blind vote I hate

[JacksonVirgo]

Woo hoo!

VOTE: 72ofsuit

What's with the two blind votes in a row dude

[JacksonVirgo]

Eliminate all liars.

I'm generally against this type of thing within reason, as I tend to fake-claim as Town to try and trap scum in a situation which isn't even there. But aight

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Norway
Can you guess why I vote here?

Better not be a blind vote.
Explain reasoning or I will yeet you to the grave

[JacksonVirgo]

Did you just admit to just voting LHF for no reason?
UNVOTE: Fwesnid

No.

What's with the two blind votes in a row dude

What is a blind vote in your opinion?

Voting with no reason, just voting

[JacksonVirgo]

Or just sheeping in general

[JacksonVirgo]

What I've learned about Virgo today:
He likes calling things he mildly disagrees with 'disgusting.'
He knows how to turn a paragraph worth of content into a page worth of posts.

What I've learned about SunflowerDude today:
Likes to throw shade
Likes to throw shade at how a player produces content

[JacksonVirgo]

Yes, sunflowers produce much shade.

You're the first person I've met who considers blind votes and sheeping the same thing.

If you want to know why I've voted for someone, why not ask me or read my iso?

I do not at all consider blind voting and sheeping the same thing. As long as someone gives a reason to sheep they can go ahead within reason, just voting them like

VOTE: NEE

That's bad

I think this is scum because X.
VOTE: NEE

Is not as bad.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm off again dudes, will post again tomorrow. Probably not again tonight as I am trying to stay away from devices

[JacksonVirgo]

ignore

Never

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Glitch
Can we PLEASE just lynch this.

In all honestly, their constant vote switches looks incredibly like scum flailing.

[JacksonVirgo]

Aight I'm off to sleep now

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Fwes

It's Saturday so I won't be around much because it's my DnD day. Just consider me voting the largest wagon.

Claiming now to save time.
I am a

3-shot loud gunsmith.

Vote for me if you think I'm scum who's gonna repeatedly claimed blocked or a mafia loud rolecop/gunsmith/follower.

Didn't crumb since loud is provable, and if I got no gun I'd crumb 'inno' such that their person I visited would hopefully see it, when I got a gun result I'd ask the person to roleclaim at start of day after saying I have a guilty.

You better not all cfd norwee because iT'S tHe lArGeSt wAgOn.
That can be part of the reason but that should not be the entire reason.

My top scumreads right now are offsuit and titus.

Alright so is the gunsmith on MS the one that checks for "guns" or gives a day-vig. My home site uses the latter but the last normal it used to former just asking to make sure.

[JacksonVirgo]

MM’s posts this page is solidifying my TR of him.

First question on reread: Why did those posts solidify your TR of MM?

#436: Town looter: Why did you have a reasonably strong TR read of Fwesnid based on his post in #384? *Answered by a question glitch posed to him.

#538 Bowl: Why were you Town reading Norwe at this stage of the game?

@Virgo why did you lean scum on Norwe in your opening post? *Answered in second wall post*

Page 28. I'm Dying.

Only thing I really got from all this so far is that I think Jackson is scum.

Read the sentence right above when I said I was FoS'ing NEE, thanks.

[JacksonVirgo]

Gunsmith is the one that checks for guns.

Alright

[JacksonVirgo]

Before I do that Jack, I already did that and noted it in that post you just misread.

Oh? I'm confused

[JacksonVirgo]

Look at the asterisk. While I was catching up I had questions and subsequent posts while I was reading answered them such as your second post which was a case on norwe

Oh so you don't need a reply?

[JacksonVirgo]

Howdy fam

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: lapsa

VOTE: lapsa

I can definitely get behind a Lapsa wagon

p-edit: Is the site incredibly laggy or is that just me

[JacksonVirgo]

Lapsa (4)

ralph217

, Nero Cain Bell, Pickaxe Pete, SJReaver

LEAD US TO GLORY RALPH!

Hah hah funny

[JacksonVirgo]

Roles which return guilty for gunsmith: Cop, Vigilante, Gunsmith, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Vengeful, Detective, Neapolitan, Backup of these roles or a JoATs that have any of these listed powers.
Fwendis could be a little more useful if he told his target beforehand and the target said if he is one of these mentioned roles.

iioa, but in seriousness we should never set their check in case of what the maf roles are, let Fwen choose their own targets and then they themselves will be self resolving

[JacksonVirgo]

Howdy fam

Greetings. Do you think gunsmith should check Glitch?

First of all, no.
Second of all, read my above post
Third of all, no

(this is for reaver)

This post is gross

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Lapsa

No idea what they're at but since nobody claimed L-1 I assume this is a safe vote. I would much rather NEE as you all know but alas that's not seeming to be happening.

[JacksonVirgo]

Eh I'll give Nero a pass for how they worded that last post

[JacksonVirgo]

@Nero I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about how you were passively pushing them to still check Glitch and then saying we shouldn't tell them who. Contradicts yourself

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson, why did you scumread me? Anyway i can convince you i’m town?

I'll answer that after I finish editing a video + making a thumbnail

[JacksonVirgo]

Are there any roles similar to a Framer in normal setups? Because I'm assuming there would be which is why I brought that up

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson, why did you scumread me? Anyway i can convince you i’m town?

I'll answer that after I finish editing a video + making a thumbnail

I finished the thumbnail, gave up on the editing for tonight.
But here I go, I'll also requote my opinions on a few stuff just in case I've been super biased.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

I love naked votes.

You getting incredibly defensive over a single naked vote read as incredibly scummy to me, also adding in some of your tone and wording makes me feel like you were both actively trying to discredit them and find why they were SR'ing you in order to deflect the heat away from yourself.

Nero just spill why you're voting me, i'm not up for your games. Get it over with.

Why are you freaking out over one vote?

I don't see asking a question as "freaking out". Why are you trying to misrep everyone?

He can't help it. When you're a as hardcore of a anime-profile-picture hating man as Nero Cain you see scum everywhere.

I'm liking NPOM's content so far. Seems similar to their townplay i'm familiar with.

After that you saw that NoPower was defending you, it seems you took the opportunity to discredit Nero completely and then pocket NoPower back. Essentially discrediting those SRing you and TRing those who defend you. To be completely honest here, there was a few posts directly pocketing NPower it seems.

Laptop dying will continue after I find a charger but just incase it dies Ima post this

[JacksonVirgo]

I also remember you pushing me for not wanting vig to shoot early but then when I said why I thought that way you completely ignored it.

[JacksonVirgo]

Your recent vote flailing looks like opportunistic scum as well, am too lazy to quote more rn

[JacksonVirgo]

Had a quick skim for white vote tags

Norweg looking real scummy here so far. Trying to cover for his lurker buddy Deimos.

VOTE: Norweg

Lmao.
VOTE: Battle Mage

This is nothing like how you reacted to Nero here

[JacksonVirgo]

Here’s a towngame where i change my votes a lot. My allignment= Town.
Newbie 1981 -> viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81899
When i’m scum: Not changing my votes a lot.

I can't quote that game since it's locked but if I ignore RVS.
Votes Ready2Rock
Votes Yessiree
Votes Yessiree again
Votes Yessiree x3 though this is a joke


Your many votes actually happens after D1
Votes Micc with some reasoning but then unvotes the post after.
Votes Ready2Rock again
Votes Micc again
Unvotes with reasoning
Votes Birkhoff
Unvotes
Revotes Birkhoff
Votes Micc
Votes Birkhoff

Your D1 does not match well with that game at all. You also unvote a lot which I do not remember you doing however I will check now

Spoiler: ISO dive

VOTE: Bell
I hear them ringing. I hear the bells ringing. Is it announcing a funeral?

Idk it kinda feels like an cop-out from you Stan. You say the back and forth between me and Superbowl was forced like you’re suggesting it was a fake argument between scum. And when asked to elaborate you just said you wanted to see if "other people saw what you did."
It’s kinda icky.
VOTE: Stan1ey

Anyway let's stop talking about that. It will just waste time.
I'm reconsidering Stan based on NPOM's statement on them so i'll go back here for now. VOTE: Bell

It doesn't make sense from any!stanley which is why we all realize he can't hold that position, so he backed off it. Because why would SvT fake an argument and why would SvS posture on pg 5 in a large and draw the shitstorm of attention we've gotten

Sure i don’t mind going back to this.
VOTE: Stan1ey

If you think im scum AND don't think we are scum together then you have to think he's town

I understand the point you're trying to make but the only way that this would be true is if I knew for a fact that your alignment was scum. I am speculating and making a case that you are scum because in my mind, you are the highest likelihood to be scum right now. But I don't know for a fact that you are, and I am well aware that I could be wrong and I could get you lynched and you could flip town. Therefore, my read on Norway is not going to be influenced by my read on you because my read on you could very well be wrong.

My quote of the wiki was because you're don't like that I won't call you two a scum team, but I just won't. Most likely, one of you is scum and one of you is town, but I have a hard time figuring out which one. I lean your way but understand that I may be wrong, and both of you being in my scum reads because of your own individual actions does not make me want to lynch first, evaluate later. If I wanted a wreckless lynch I would have just joined the MM wagon. That wagon was freaking easy to jump on.

If I were scum why would I be motivated to push you so hard when I'm literally the only one SRing you?

Disgusting post.
VOTE: Glitch

are u gonna let him claim?

I also want a claim before any hammer were to happen.
Hammering before that is a scumclaim.
UNVOTE:

I’m hungry. That seems like a sufficient reason to unvote the leading wagon.
UNVOTE:

I genuinely believe Nero is scum because of the arguments I've presented so far, but I also understand that I may be SR'ing him so hard cause I'm just pissed that he is tunneling me so hard.

I don't get this. You're pissed at him "tunneling you" but you believe he is scum at the same time? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
VOTE: Glitch

Still don’t TR glitch like at all.
VOTE: Fwesnid

VOTE: Alisae
Opportunistic wagon hop

VOTE: Glitch
Can we PLEASE just lynch this.

If Stan1ey is scum with A50 i don't think Glitch would be mafia, that seems too blatant of a wagon. I'm also considering that Glitch was sick these latest days, that explains his relative inactivity since the claim.
Anyway since a wagon on the claimed PR is clearly not gaining support i'll do the next best choice from my wagon here.
VOTE: Almost50

Wagons can build quickly if we want then too.

We have no time. To assume 10 other players will agree with and hop onto your vanity wagon with 1 day and little convincing is just delusional. We need to consolidate. If you wanted to elim someone else you had 9 days to make cases

K FFS.
VOTE: Fwesnid
Highly doubt this will flip scum btw. As all wonderful "consolidation wagons" tend to go.

VOTE: Almost50
I’ll switch to Lapsa if it’s the remaining option.

TL;DR
Bell
Stan
Bell
Stan
Glitch
Unvote
Unvote again
Glitch
Fwen
Glitch
A50
Fwen
A50


Overall MASSIVE difference here compared to the previous D1. Compared to the D2 as well, you have 1 vote less (or over if you count the two re-votes on the other game)

[JacksonVirgo]

Holy fuck that was tedious btw, respect my efforts

[JacksonVirgo]

Here’s a game where i was mafia. Scumread by a lot of people. My reaction: Not emotional.
Open 770 Fusion Mafia -> viewtopic.php?f=52&t=81655

I did read this I am not quoting as it's locked again but you are doing the same thing regarding SRing who is SRing you like you are on this and you did make a post regarding their vote but I also see a difference between these two games.

[JacksonVirgo]

Here’s a game where i was mafia. Scumread by a lot of people. My reaction: Not emotional.
Open 770 Fusion Mafia -> viewtopic.php?f=52&t=81655

I did read this I am not quoting as it's locked again but you are doing the same thing regarding SRing who is SRing you like you are on this and you did make a post regarding their vote but I also see a difference between these two games.

I didn't read the whole game, just skimmed their ISO for votes etc. And the votee was Dunn

[JacksonVirgo]

Here’s a towngame where i change my votes a lot. My allignment= Town.
Newbie 1981 -> viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81899
When i’m scum: Not changing my votes a lot.

I can't quote that game since it's locked but if I ignore RVS.
Votes Ready2Rock
Votes Yessiree
Votes Yessiree again
Votes Yessiree x3 though this is a joke


Your many votes actually happens after D1
Votes Micc with some reasoning but then unvotes the post after.
Votes Ready2Rock again
Votes Micc again
Unvotes with reasoning
Votes Birkhoff
Unvotes
Revotes Birkhoff
Votes Micc
Votes Birkhoff

Your D1 does not match well with that game at all. You also unvote a lot which I do not remember you doing however I will check now

Spoiler: ISO dive

VOTE: Bell
I hear them ringing. I hear the bells ringing. Is it announcing a funeral?

Idk it kinda feels like an cop-out from you Stan. You say the back and forth between me and Superbowl was forced like you’re suggesting it was a fake argument between scum. And when asked to elaborate you just said you wanted to see if "other people saw what you did."
It’s kinda icky.
VOTE: Stan1ey

Anyway let's stop talking about that. It will just waste time.
I'm reconsidering Stan based on NPOM's statement on them so i'll go back here for now. VOTE: Bell

It doesn't make sense from any!stanley which is why we all realize he can't hold that position, so he backed off it. Because why would SvT fake an argument and why would SvS posture on pg 5 in a large and draw the shitstorm of attention we've gotten

Sure i don’t mind going back to this.
VOTE: Stan1ey

If you think im scum AND don't think we are scum together then you have to think he's town

I understand the point you're trying to make but the only way that this would be true is if I knew for a fact that your alignment was scum. I am speculating and making a case that you are scum because in my mind, you are the highest likelihood to be scum right now. But I don't know for a fact that you are, and I am well aware that I could be wrong and I could get you lynched and you could flip town. Therefore, my read on Norway is not going to be influenced by my read on you because my read on you could very well be wrong.

My quote of the wiki was because you're don't like that I won't call you two a scum team, but I just won't. Most likely, one of you is scum and one of you is town, but I have a hard time figuring out which one. I lean your way but understand that I may be wrong, and both of you being in my scum reads because of your own individual actions does not make me want to lynch first, evaluate later. If I wanted a wreckless lynch I would have just joined the MM wagon. That wagon was freaking easy to jump on.

If I were scum why would I be motivated to push you so hard when I'm literally the only one SRing you?

Disgusting post.
VOTE: Glitch

are u gonna let him claim?

I also want a claim before any hammer were to happen.
Hammering before that is a scumclaim.
UNVOTE:

I’m hungry. That seems like a sufficient reason to unvote the leading wagon.
UNVOTE:

I genuinely believe Nero is scum because of the arguments I've presented so far, but I also understand that I may be SR'ing him so hard cause I'm just pissed that he is tunneling me so hard.

I don't get this. You're pissed at him "tunneling you" but you believe he is scum at the same time? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
VOTE: Glitch

Still don’t TR glitch like at all.
VOTE: Fwesnid

VOTE: Alisae
Opportunistic wagon hop

VOTE: Glitch
Can we PLEASE just lynch this.

If Stan1ey is scum with A50 i don't think Glitch would be mafia, that seems too blatant of a wagon. I'm also considering that Glitch was sick these latest days, that explains his relative inactivity since the claim.
Anyway since a wagon on the claimed PR is clearly not gaining support i'll do the next best choice from my wagon here.
VOTE: Almost50

Wagons can build quickly if we want then too.

We have no time. To assume 10 other players will agree with and hop onto your vanity wagon with 1 day and little convincing is just delusional. We need to consolidate. If you wanted to elim someone else you had 9 days to make cases

K FFS.
VOTE: Fwesnid
Highly doubt this will flip scum btw. As all wonderful "consolidation wagons" tend to go.

VOTE: Almost50
I’ll switch to Lapsa if it’s the remaining option.

TL;DR
Bell
Stan
Bell
Stan
Glitch
Unvote
Unvote again
Glitch
Fwen
Glitch
A50
Fwen
A50


Overall MASSIVE difference here compared to the previous D1. Compared to the D2 as well, you have 1 vote less (or over if you count the two re-votes on the other game)

You unvoted about the same amount of times as well, just came back to double check some stuff.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt then
UNVOTE: Norwegian

I do see more of a difference between your scum-game than differences to the town ones, but as you said. Your playstyle does change so I may also come back to this

[JacksonVirgo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Fwen claims the 3-shot loud gunsmith and Glitch claims a PR role that's useful N4 and up yes?

[JacksonVirgo]

si

[JacksonVirgo]

What are the current wagons rn I forget. If I recall correctly it's Lapsa, Norwegian and Superbowl.

Tbh SB has been flying right under my radar will have to read their iso or something, ngl but I feel like I am into this game a lot more than before now lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

SB is dead, its lapsa, norway, 72 and a small one on Ali. Votes still on Fwe b/c ppl haven't been on to unvote.

Alright, I'll iso 72 and lapsa. I remember Lapsa responding terribly to a vote but that's about it for them

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Bell

penis

wishy washy

VOTE: Marshall

UNVOTE:

I wish I were as cool as Bell.

Their votes are kinda lacklustre, though they literally have shit all content. I don't think this would be an ideal D1 lynch, I think it'd be a better vigi shot than anything.

I like jokes. Jokes are very funny.

It has to be 2 vigilante setup. I see no other way around it.

hello ralph

Terrible response to that

If you got attention span of a gold fish.

Rest of the content is meh, still agree with my vigi shot > lynch for them though. Though wouldn't mind a lynch on them either, although I think they got replaced so maybe not.

[JacksonVirgo]

72 tiiime

[JacksonVirgo]

Was thinking if your alignment in this game motivated you to read that game.
It seems like you tried to grasp their characteristics.

So light SR on SJ?

This pings me. Enough for a serious vote.
Its like town looter is hoping for it to be a SR.

TownLooter

Weak reasonings to vote a player.

Are we really reading into the reasons for which people read other games when they were bored? That looks like a prototype of NAI thing to me.

This reads like busywork to me. Fake attempt at looking like town doing things useful for town. Bell is my first scumread so far.

Good enough for me.

VOTE: Bell Choo choo!

Are we really reading into the reasons for which people read other games when they were bored? That looks like a prototype of NAI thing to me.

This reads like busywork to me. Fake attempt at looking like town doing things useful for town. Bell is my first scumread so far.

LOL, voted for the wrong player.

VOTE: MM Choo choo!

I think I'm losing my marbles.

I did mean to vote for Bell.

VOTE: Bell

Choo choo

These three are right after each other, not even kidding.

[JacksonVirgo]

Whoops didn't mean to send

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you have anything else on Bell besides that he's lamisting? Convince me i'm wrong

This comes from scum more often than it comes from town.
If anyone wants to wagon superbowl, I'm on it.

Meh, if you want something done well, do it yourself.

UNVOTE: Bell
VOTE: Superbowl

I don't see scum in this top 5/6 teir of the activity list btw
Risk/reward of being that active this early in the game is not very favorable

There are 5 scum. You seriously think all 5 are going to be low/medium posters and just allow town to form a town-block. Yeah nah

Yes that's what I said. You think there's a town block in the top 5 LMAO??? We've been at each other's throats

There's no way someone with a town mindest would misinterpret what I meant.
Let me break it down.

1. You say "I don't see scum in this top 5/6 teir of the activity list btw"
2. I disagree. I say it's highly unlikely that all the top volume posters are town, on the premise alone that scum would not allow town to dictate the game's trajectory by mostly just lurking. If there are active town posters, scum will usually interject and derail unless there is TvT aggro.
3. You say "You think there's a town block in the top 5 LMAO?"
4. That is clearly not what I said.

More votes on superbowl required

Choo Choo Choo!

Come on aboard, I promise you you won't hurt the horse...
We treat him well, we feed him well...
There's lots of room for you on the bandwagon...
The road may be rough, the weather may forget us..

Superbowl wagon

CHOO CHOO CHOO

These choo choo posts are not townie.

VOTE: Fwesnid

Hi offsuit.
Could you answer it again anyway. Just one or two words.

Scum

And then you voted Fwesnid.

You just put him at E-1 by the way.

Trying to shade me for voting outside my early ping at scum, when i clearly updated my scumlist.

Bell is obvscum.

And then they randomly jump off the SB wagon instantly when Fwes started getting wagoned and then calls Bell obvscum without voting.

[JacksonVirgo]

Shoulda spoilered that

[JacksonVirgo]

Norwegian should be self-resolvable, so lynching D1 is probably dumb
Lapsa is kinda a brick slot rn so a vigi shot is greater here
Glitch is a PR claim so no
Fwes is a PR claim so no
72offsuit is scummy and has interactions so a lynch here is better than a brick or a PR claim or someone self-resolvable.

Thoughts?

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't like the people on the Lapsa wagon either, only good vote there would be Nero and Bell maybe

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't like the people on the Lapsa wagon either, only good vote there would be Nero and Bell maybe

...you're on the Lapsa wagon. 1812

Oh shit completely forgot

[JacksonVirgo]

How fast did the Lapsa wagon grow?
VOTE: 72offsuit

[JacksonVirgo]

I agree Nero that the replacements are a bum but I would rather deal with that than lose, exaggeration but still

[JacksonVirgo]

Are there any roles similar to a Framer in normal setups? Because I'm assuming there would be which is why I brought that up

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game
Nah
For cop there is only miller, GF is not allowed.

I'll have a look through but I guess that's why nobody else thought it was a big deal lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

72 popping in right as I start wagoning is awkward, especially when they naked vote onto Lapsa, which is a pet peeve of mine as y'all should know by now

May I ask what the reasonings everyone has to vote Lapsa

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean I feel even more confident that people can back "my" reads. I am not really confident in myself majority of the time lol

[JacksonVirgo]

Ok so what have u concluded when i flip town?
What have you concluded if I was mafia?

If you flip mafia it's safe to say that superbowl is cleared.

p-edit: Yeah I am lel, it's almost midnight here

[JacksonVirgo]

JV piss off. I always post at this time.

Do you?

[JacksonVirgo]

Gonna go watch Supernatural, bbl

[JacksonVirgo]

Ok so what have u concluded when i flip town?
What have you concluded if I was mafia?

If you flip mafia it's safe to say that superbowl is cleared.

p-edit: Yeah I am lel, it's almost midnight here

Except I'm town, so you learn jack shit from my flip

What do we learn from a Lapsa wagon

[JacksonVirgo]

Let me ask back at you, what do we learn from a Lapsa flip 72?

LMFAO, nice

[JacksonVirgo]

love thatshow. you are my new bestie

:O

New bestie!

[JacksonVirgo]

Copycat.

:p

[JacksonVirgo]

Norwegian mindmelding with me is probably indicative that they're Town, I don't remember ever having that happen with scum with me anyway and it's become a strong town-tell for me.

[JacksonVirgo]

Let me ask back at you, what do we learn from a Lapsa flip 72?

We learn jack shit. But we eliminate a player who we dont want in LYLO.

That's why I suggested a vig shot or at least wait until their replacement adds some content for us to latch onto

[JacksonVirgo]

If he is scum, then the main pushers of his wagon are more likely to be town.

Except not really as bussing exists, but the same can be said for you, or any other player.

[JacksonVirgo]

!scumMe doesnt vote Lapsa here. !scumMe votes !town NBEE. So unless NBEE and I are both scum...

Why would scum!you not vote Lapsa, they were likely going to be the lynch tbch

[JacksonVirgo]

How long until EoD? Nero makes it sound like it's hours

p-edit: 72...

[JacksonVirgo]

What's your case on A50 @Nero

[JacksonVirgo]

!scumMe doesnt vote Lapsa here. !scumMe votes !town NBEE. So unless NBEE and I are both scum...

Why would scum!you not vote Lapsa, they were likely going to be the lynch tbch

? NBEE and Lapsa both 5 apiece.

Except Lapsa can't defend themself and they were a newly growing wagon.

[JacksonVirgo]

1392

Please link whenever you do that

[JacksonVirgo]

1392 is scummy as shit.

Explain how this is scummy

[JacksonVirgo]

!scumMe doesnt vote Lapsa here. !scumMe votes !town NBEE. So unless NBEE and I are both scum...

Why would scum!you not vote Lapsa, they were likely going to be the lynch tbch

? NBEE and Lapsa both 5 apiece.

Except Lapsa can't defend themself and they were a newly growing wagon.

This sounds like scum mindsett

Bruh, I was looking at it from scum!you's perspective

[JacksonVirgo]

72 I think you're looking too into that post, but could be wrong

[JacksonVirgo]

It shows he isnt even reading the thread

That generally isn't AI in itself, you could also say that scum would be more likely to read the thread as to try not to fuck up.

[JacksonVirgo]

9 hours until EoD huh, alright

p-edit: I am not defending, I was making a counter argument as I want you to answer it to see if you've got more on them than what I see in you.

[JacksonVirgo]

72 I'm confused lol

[JacksonVirgo]

@72 do you have anything on my counter-argument or no

Also can you explain how that's forced, don't see it personally. Only bit that I can see at least somewhat would be the bottom

[JacksonVirgo]

What's your case on A50 @Nero

I think he's not his normal town trolly self. I feel like his declaring that he was going to vote park norway was scummy. His argument that Norway was scummy for unvoting was bad.

Do you think that it's scummier than 72 or lapsa

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh hey titus.