i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Gimli]

Frogsterking died; he was a town psychiatrist.

night 1 starts now but has no deadline for now. once all players who need to be replaced have been replaced, night 1 will start, possibly with a slight extension depending on whether the replacing players need extra time to catch up.

you're all idiots

[Gimli]

how do you eliminate frogster? reading this absolute disaster was the worst thing I did this year

[Gimli]

IDK it's been forever since I read, I'm here later to talk to people

[Gimli]

I'm doing a proper catch up today, in a bit

good to see familiar faces

[Gimli]

We have to stop meeting like this

I time every journey... to bump into you

[Gimli]

IDK yet, it's been forever, but frogster was by far the towniest person in the first few pages and it was an extremely annoying thing to be reading so much dumb pushes against him.

since you're here, furtive, where should I start?

[Gimli]

yeah but it's been a while. I even made a PT for it, but was too annoyed you killed frog to WIM it up. but, now I'm here, and asking you: where do I start?

[Gimli]

Oh boy, do I really want to read or

VOTE: Frog

P.S. imaginality is town k thx

I already wanna flip her

[Gimli]

I think looking at what she chooses to respond to and how she responds to it is important

no context but I like this from gamma cause it's nuanced. OTOH I think in my notes I had gamma as potential scum so, you know.

my posting will be horrendous for a while and I apologise for that.

So what do you feel she's not responding to?

It’s not quite like that
I suggest you ISO her

kinda funny interaction. maybe gamma being too cryptic in her response isn't super towny.

also I'm reminded that frog wanted to flip gamma and I was agreeing with that when I was reading back then. have to go back to those posts eventually and see what I think now cause IDR what it was anymore.

speaking of which, I have some work done in PT but IDK if I'm allowed to paste parts of it here. that's more for myself than anything. can anyone tell me if I can actually paste PT?

[Gimli]

"see what she responds to or not"
"what is she not responding to?"
"well its not like that" lmao

[Gimli]

frog wanted to kill titus as well and I'm ready to sheep that juggernaut of townyness you managed to kill

[Gimli]

So what do you feel she's not responding to?

It’s not quite like that
I suggest you ISO her

This is theater I think

here. just sheep this man.

[Gimli]

I missed this placement the first time too. I can definitely see myself getting schmoozed out of a good RVS read by this lycan.

Actually, lycan's one of my weakest scumreads. The entrance you thought was town I thought was scum, but it's explicitly not a strong read. Doing an iso there, I still really hate 66, but posts like 114, 120, 318, 320, and 322 all actually look good.

So I think I talked my way into this:

{Save The Dragons}
{HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever, Morning Tweet, Frogsterking}
{KittyTacky, tris}
{GeorgeBailey, Enchant}
{kitten around}
{Elements}
{McMenno}
{Lycanfire}
{Not_Mafia}
{Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe}
{Ythan}
{furtiveglance}
{Titus}
{Quiet Owl}
{Gamma Emerald, imaginality}

you can also sheep this player if you prefer. ranger might be my top townlean for no other reason than townreading me for calling the whole thread idiots. it's a correct lean cause I'm town, and it's also a smart one cause it's reading towny emotions correctly, and whatnot.

[Gimli]

lol why

[Gimli]

is this because of me? I feel bad.

[Gimli]

gamma I also like doctor who, I think it's a good show

[Gimli]

I wouldn't put it past xyzy to put a Jester in here

is gamma so scummy he is jestery?

[Gimli]

Gamma is town.

@Gimli just wait until you get to the later pages, Frogster started out OK but then started talking nonsense.

I'm sorry for filling the thread with my BS, but I remember an old mafia player who once said that playing a gameday in mafia is like painting a picture. you can do a wonderful painting the entire day, but if in the end you screw it up, and the painting is ruined, that means you're scum and you need to be killed.

that man said that when he was scum, and he managed a miselim that day.

[Gimli]

I want to take a different direction, can players who townread Gamma-I'm thinking csf and dragons especially-explain why you townread Gamma? I have ideas about why, but I'd rather give you a chance to explain.

She is somewhat more proactive here than she is at scum. She's fairly skilled at being in the background as scum.

Calling for a 1v1 with you is not what I'd imagine she'd do as scum.

that's the essence of your gamma read, cat? cause I can sheep that as well depending on how this thread goes, sure

[Gimli]

I can literally bury Gamma with a case based purely on meta. I'm fine ending the day relatively early as this slot isn't flipping town.

VOTE: Gamma

I can quote from not one, not two, not three, but

four

separate scum games which each show Gamma is deep in her scum meta right now.

does anyone know if frogster has a very solid read on gamma, in general?

[Gimli]

gamma I also like doctor who, I think it's a good show

Thanks for this ig
I’m just a little frustrated that you and Ranger are circlejerking rn, it really kills my faith in anything of value happening this game.

I just replaced in, gamma. give me time <3

[Gimli]

That.

I want to elim someone dodging the game if we can.

I think majority of posters are town. Can someone check activity? I am on my phone on one of the few breaks I will have.

Gimli 21
McMenno 19
UltimateGamer 12
andrée 11
GeorgeBailey 10
Not_Mafia 9
imaginality 7
Prince of Paterson 6
Korina 5

[Gimli]

hi furtive sorry for throwing the other game lets win this one

[Gimli]

I've read through and have vague town reads on most people which is fun. Quiet Owl and Ranger are my two biggest town reads atm.
Funny thing, I didn't like Andrée's entrance and was thinking of moving my vote there only to remember that's the slot I replaced into.
VOTE: vaxkillerVOTE: [v/]

this is a pretty gross post

agreed
what's your read on elements atm?

[Gimli]

I just skimmed through elements ISO and I liked it

[Gimli]

I've read through and have vague town reads on most people which is fun. Quiet Owl and Ranger are my two biggest town reads atm.
Funny thing, I didn't like Andrée's entrance and was thinking of moving my vote there only to remember that's the slot I replaced into.
VOTE: vaxkillerVOTE: [v/]

this is a pretty gross post

agreed
what's your read on elements atm?

StD is... a bit dead.

oh no

what do you think of elements?

[Gimli]

hi furtive sorry for throwing the other game lets win this one

How dare you discuss that other game haha. It's fine. What are your

ToP tHrEe ScUmReAdS

yesterday was a very emotional day of mafia.

now, that is a hard question, as I'm still trying to get into this game and figure out what's what. what are your top three scumreads?

[Gimli]

Maybe someone can sell me on it. Anyone wanna give a good rundown on the Owl scum read?

1145 is a bad hop onto the Frog wagon. I'd also argue that Quiet Owl is a newer player from a skim of their meta, and that typically isn't how new players react to TPR claims

Their solving is very unnatural, e.g. the early multiball comment as well as 1035. In 906, they drop a play-by-play analysis of Frog with many reasons to scumread Frog and few reasons to townread Frog. They then go on to say that they were actually townreading Frogs in 977. So what was the purpose of that analysis? It seems like they wanted to show how much solving they were doing, but it wasn't with the goal of limming scum in mind.

Also look at how they've scumread me for basically the whole game, but don't talk to me. They've also avoided engaging with other people- (1252) is another example

Came out of this post with a quiet owl townread. Reads like newb trying to make sense of the horrors of trying to read people's alignments in a game of mafia

[Gimli]

oh no it's a bunch of mech

[Gimli]

I suppose it's time for me to full claim.

I am
1) a neighbor with imaginality
2) I know imaginality to be town
3) I am a night 4 suicide bomber
4) imaginality is a night five rolecop

What difference neighbor and masons have if you know alignments of each other then.

None. Hence why I claimed mason. It was simpler.

no that's bonkers. you know imaginality's alignment, but does imaginality know yours? that would mean masons, not neighbours

[Gimli]

Ranger, I can't believe town!you doesn't get what I am throwing down.

If you mean implying you're masons with imaginality, then I saw, since you've been rather explicit.

It'd be impossible to have missed.

Quite simply, there's no role you could claim which I'd believe. Which is also why I've no qualms outing this. I won't accept any roleclaim of imaginality being conftown here, least of all from you.

If imaginality is town by play then he can be town, but by role he most

certainly

is not.

why is ranger saying imaginality cannot be town by role?

[Gimli]

I know this is a dumb question so this is actually bastard, okay

[Gimli]

and so they're not masons cause they don't get each other's roles and whatnot, but titus was told she is in a hood with town

[Gimli]

and she CRUMBLED (the word crumbled was used) by throwing full baguettes on the floor since her first post

[Gimli]

I think it's pretty clear I'm claiming mason. To argue I am not is asinine and desperate.

That answers half; you are claiming mason explicitly.

I don't believe you're really a mason.

I believe you have a role tied to imaginality, and that role is a role that you feel is at least akin to a mason.

But I don't believe you're a

mason

mason. I don't believe your actual

role

is mason. I don't believe imaginality is confirmed town to you, and vice-versa.

If you say that's unreasonable, my counterargument is explicitly my familiarity with you, Titus. I know how you think and how you treat roles that aren't masons, as if they were masons. I believe you have a role like that. There are dozens of roles which could fit, which in your mind you would call masons, in spite of them not actually being masons. (For instance, a somewhat common example is a two-person role, with two players required for the power role.)

Any role which you have that would have you call imaginality a mason while he is not

literally

confirmed town to you, is a role I would believe you would have. You claiming mason while holding a role like that wouldn't be a fakeclaim in your eyes, and you'd have no fear of locking it in because it's not a lie.

You're certainly no mason though. And don't pretend you are; don't pretend I'm wrong. I'm right, you

know

I'm right, and I'm not letting you protect a scum player off of a role you earnestly believe makes them town which doesn't

actually

make them town.

first of all, ranger is town. second of all, I still don't know if titus is actually claiming masons or not, since she claimed something that equals masons.

[Gimli]

how am I such an easy townread, I feel like a potato

[Gimli]

oh I just gained the 'mafia scum' undertitle
part of the crowd yo

[Gimli]

I don’t really have good reasons to call imaginify town but I don’t think the reasons for the votes on him are that good either. Lazy/weak play is rather unimpressive as a reason since it feels like they just got off to a bad start that got capitalized on.
Aside from that a main focus is pushing a 1v1 of me vs. Frogsterking. I don’t really have an issue here except with you buying into that while having me all the way down in your reads. I don’t think you should be calling that a problem except if you think either a) me and Frog are both town or b) I would feel bold enough to go toe-to-toe with Frog as scum here and feel like I could come out relatively unscathed. Clearly you don’t believe a), so what about my play so far suggests b) to be true?
Lastly, the “disingenuous paragraph” may overgeneralize the votes but it captures a lot of what I feel like is wrong with the imaginify wagon. And I think the writing feels towny given how imprecise it is: scum would try to ensure clarity in that paragraph imo.

I guess the one thing that does stick out to me is the use of “noncommittal” as a thing people are calling their okay when that was used to refer to furtive iirc

I think this is a thought out post with multiple layers and multiple pings of towny mindset so I'm putting ms gamma in the town basket as well

[Gimli]

I also think titus isn't wolfing with a group, she is either some sort of neutroll SKer or just town. I'm sheeping ranger's read that titus doesn't overplay her mason hand that way if she is group scum.

there are problems with the claim, I think. and I find it odd that whatever was sent to her was redirected, as in there are mechanics with this neighborhood that could be sketchy in terms of the alignments of people inside of it. but that's like me with a bad mech take, so give it no thought.

[Gimli]

VOTE: HighPrincessErenys

I think this is scum. may or may not elaborate later, but feel like I should vote somewhere.

back later

[Gimli]

anyone wants to look at highprincess' ISO and tell me it isn't like, super duper scummy? all it did the entire game was scum busywork. IMO.

[Gimli]

I wish

speaking of you, I'm setting the bar pretty high for you and your activity in this game and I expect your ISO to be wonderfully towny. I saw some people hinting at you maybe being scum and what I read from your ISO the other day wasn't impressive.

so, hi elements, how are you? who are you scumreading? who are you townreading?

[Gimli]

anyone wants to look at highprincess' ISO and tell me it isn't like, super duper scummy? all it did the entire game was scum busywork. IMO.

Can you point to some examples or is asking this going to be lumped in as "busywork" too?

your entire ISO is busywork, like massive paragraphs just to call things 'weird' or 'interesting'. you're pointing at things and describing them and why you think they could be interesting or not instead of scumhunting. maybe that's how you play? but I'm strongly scumreading it

[Gimli]

your back and forth with frogster does not look like you're trying to parse him out, it looks like you're trying to appear reasonable

[Gimli]

Merry Christmas! Here's my gift to imaginality: VOTE: imaginality!

In all seriousness, figured it's about time to put my vote elsewhere.

and why did you vote imaginality here?

[Gimli]

The more this one thinks about it the less likely it thinks Titus's mason claim is real. Their insistence on things like the PT, knowing imaginality's alignment, etc etc are all convincing, but a D1 outing of two masons when one had at most 7 out of 12 votes and has since dropped from that... It's kind of insane, honestly. Really sketched out by this.

she is voting the mason pair and posting things like this. does anyone think this is a genuine thought from town, and not some stiff convoluted reasoning scum posts?

[Gimli]

The more this one thinks about it the less likely it thinks Titus's mason claim is real. Their insistence on things like the PT, knowing imaginality's alignment, etc etc are all convincing, but

a D1 outing of two masons when one had at most 7 out of 12 votes

and has since dropped from that... It's kind of insane, honestly. Really sketched out by this.

Why does this make you doubt her claim?

Because it's an extremely weird circumstance to claim Mason with someone else in? All it's really going to do, if true, is paint a target on their backs in the future because 7/12 really does not need a D1 mason claim to save your buddy, it would've been alot better to wait until around E-3/2 or so because then there's a very immediate and credible threat to imaginality's life. Now Titus has thrown both of them into the line of mafia fire just to pull imaginality's wagon a further away from the finish line. They're either scum partners, something other than masons, or masons who felt the need to make a

really

strange play.

more stiff convoluted scum reasoning that you're all not seeing cause you're not reading

[Gimli]

okay, highprincess. sorry for misgendering in that post.

let's see if I can make a townbloc: kitty, math, ranger, gamma, titus, and then imaginality are probably town.

trying to parse out... furtive next. then elements.

[Gimli]

you're scummy and need death

[Gimli]

I'm not talking about nothing I'm talking about you overjustifying a non committal vote.

Imaginality is fine so far besides mixing up Gamma and I which in isolation whatever. Want to see more.

Non-comittal? My vote is as serious as most other votes for where we are in the game.

And yeah I could have just voted but that's not really my style

You put too much effort into telling us it was non committal that's the problem.

Non committal is a phrase you used which I never implied.

I implied it was based more on following a townread's vote than a scumread I have. That doesn't mean it's not committal.

Implying it is actually what you did do, what you didn't do is say it explicitly.

I'm going to stop responding to you about this particular debate now.

this feels extremely AI and I'm posting this to get back at it later and figure out in what direction, both for ythan and for furtive

[Gimli]

That’s honestly how I TR enchant

If he’s not scummy he’s deadly.

I don’t like your block sorry.

who's scum in my bloc? I'm trusting you for your treatment of titus and for tris' early stuff that's thin but looking towny

[Gimli]

kinda think furtive is town, not interested in reading more of his ISO for now. onto... elements.

[Gimli]

oh like I have something in my role that interferers with investigative roles so don't target me with those please

Mcmenno is probably town from this post

think both mcmenno and elements are town for mcmenno's post and then elements' reaction alone. + elements ISO doesn't vibe too strong either way but I think she's been more towny than the other way around

[Gimli]

@furtive: I didn't really see it as a miller claim + I do townread miller claims (even though my days of mafia are way behind me now for me to tell you what I generally townread). I think the phrasing is very specific and not particularly likely to be coming from scum, and I think elements' solve of the slot is sharp in a towny way.

[Gimli]

@furtive: I didn't really see it as a miller claim + I do townread miller claims (even though my days of mafia are way behind me now for me to tell you what I generally townread). I think the phrasing is very specific and not particularly likely to be coming from scum, and I think elements' solve of the slot is sharp in a towny way.

The phrasing was the opposite of specific - my role can interfere with investigatives or something.

McMenno is basically saying don't check me

I think Elements is town if McMenno is scum so we can agree on that

the phrasing is very specific, like, 'dont hit me with investigatives in general' is a very specific thing to say. it's not a miller claim as there are more investigatives than just cop

[Gimli]

What do y'all think of kitten around?

I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummy

[Gimli]

What do y'all think of kitten around?

I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummy

That's a pretty accurate description yeah. In general, I think scum tend to fit this profile more often than not: not doing anything wildly strange to stand out, but not pushing the game forward either.

how do you feel about highprincess?

[Gimli]

I'm dead certain titus isn't scum in this game

[Gimli]

How can I when it’s the Titus show?

I don't wanna be that guy, but since you're talking a lot about 'the titus show', your constant talk about titus is what's making the gameday revolve around her.

I wanna talk about highprincess, I wanna talk about kitten around, and other slots. why don't you join me in figuring out the other players, math?

[Gimli]

INVEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lmao

but yeah regardless, I believe mcmenno's claim

[Gimli]

i've been busy. had a small exam thingy that i needed to study for.

i'd describe 906 mainly as exasperation at frog's apparently illogical behaviour. weakly townread him mainly because even though he was incredibly detrimental to the town, i don't think scum normally are comfortable attracting that much attention to themselves. you're correct that i wasn't trying to get him eliminated. because i didn't, at that point, think he needed to be eliminated. what i was trying to do was figure out what on earth frog's deal was, because he was making my brain see spinning stars and tweety birds.

"but then you went and voted him!" the "don't kill me i'm super-dee-duper important" pr claim might've made me see red a little. just a little bit. we've lost a psychiatrist which is bad, but i have reason to suspect that there's a fair bit of redundancy in this game. however, we no longer have a significant distraction which i would say is good, as for once the thread doesn't appear to be tunneling.

i haven't put much effort into defending myself because i see my elimination as inevitable. i don't act like normal town. never have, probably never will. therefore i am trying to arrange my iso to be useful after my death, which will prove my alignment and in theory then be helpful. arguing over my alignment is a distraction, and i think it's very very easy for scum to get brownie points by going after me.

several problems with this post, I think. first of all I'm not buying Owl's progression on frog. I think the read that he was frustrated cause he was frustrated town felt a bit like TMI on day 1 (I was going to say that, but then I didn't find anything else in Owl's ISO that made me scumread it), but then proceeding to vote frog after the PR claim (!) is really pushing the scum wincon when it's more or less safe to do so.

second of all, 'the thread doesn't appear to be tunneling' feels like an odd sentiment. there's tunneling going on AFAICT, and we didn't flip mafia yet so the gamestate isn't good. there are many 'distractions', like math vs titus, and all the mech talk around it. should we flip everyone so they stop distracting?

thirdly, 'very easy for scum to get brownie points by going after me' feels like a perspective slip? if you're town, you're limbait lol. how does scum get brownie points for going after you?

[Gimli]

Owl's 906 tone not aligning with their later conclusions is strange, I agree. I don't like their current scumreads either, I think Cat Scratch Fever is town. I would like to see more from them though, I don't feel confident in voting there.

Elements is probably town. Their day 1 approach is consistently curious and engaging with the thread in a way that feels like town trying to solve. The series of questions starting in 490, for example. Similarly, the discussion with Frogsterking starting in 503. Both just give the impression of uninformed town. I don't think Elements is a good vote.

I like this from prince of paterson quite a lot. like the townread on elements, and I think the suspicion on Owl is for the right reasons.

[Gimli]

Yet, Kitty didn't claim to send meat to Elements. Then me and Elements being swapped makes sense.

VOTE: McMenno

If no one claims to meat Elements, I think we have proof of the bus drive.

why are you voting mcmenno? who else are you scumreading?

[Gimli]

so apparently we have a scum redirector that redirected actions sent to titus to elements. and yeah I think that makes sense if elements is town. I was already townreading elements anyway so this is just further evidence.

[Gimli]

@all

Also: I hate every single one of you for townreading Gamma for absolutely shit reasons, and you all deserve to lose (and probably will) for not backing me up.

aw

gamma come back, we love you

[Gimli]

If it was mafia redirector, they just swap them with some unprotected lurker and kill titus unopposed.

the hypothetical was to swap titus out of a potential vig shot to save her as mis-lim material

I wonder what idiot would shot mason claim.

are you even reading this game?

[Gimli]

but enchant has a point, redirector shouldn't claim yo

[Gimli]

why would town redirector redirect from titus to elements though? anyway

[Gimli]

if you want to redirect a vig or whatever you should go for UTR scum candidates that aren't playing instead of elements

[Gimli]

I think both titus and elements are just town

[Gimli]

Chainsaw harder

VOTE: enchant

[Gimli]

Yeah you're probably right

[Gimli]

VOTE: highprincess

[Gimli]

yeah IDK maybe you're right but I don't see it. all I see is safe stances, none of them towny looking (except maybe the one about gamma in the beginning of the game). I do think you're town, ranger, but I disagree almost entirely with all of your recent reads, which means either you're powerwolfing or one of us is a disconnected scumsiding potato, in which case that's probably me.

I don't like any of the wagons fwiw.

[Gimli]

being multiball makes sense as a lot of the players look kinda wolfy but reasonable and with some towny things like kitten/UG/princess/owl

pedit: yeah case in point, and whatnot. I wouldn't wanna flip kitten today either.

[Gimli]

tell me who to vote, CSF

[Gimli]

oh my that ISO when kitten is town lmao

VOTE: kitten around

[Gimli]

VOTE: ultimategamer

[Gimli]

I'm not convinced what kitten is doing now is towny at all, but what do you guys think of UG's slot? I suppose ythan was at least scummy enough to get STD and morningtweet's attention. I kinda like how HPE ended in that wagon as well, but I'm gonna read those parts later to be sure.

[Gimli]

UG's posts are more of what I see as rigid scumsplaining rather than town thinking through the game

[Gimli]

Gimli, why aren’t you thinking for yourself? Was I wrong to believe in the mason claim and is that why I’m being wrongly scumread here? I am town and will prove it but that’s not up to me unfortunately.

I think this is multiball, and as a result I'm not capable of scumhunting like a normal game, which is why I'm trying to weigh in the thoughts of other people that I think are towny. just trying to help, you know. but I am thinking for myself. you looked much much townier in that other game people linked here, which is why yesterday I voted you. today I'm uninterested in flipping you, but I'm not really sure where to go.

[Gimli]

VOTE: Ythan
I don’t really townread her like I did before, in fact she feels similar to one of her scum games rn

is gamma still playing? I want to know of gamma and whoever else has meta with ythan if her d1 matches her scumgame.

[Gimli]

gamma come back

[Gimli]

she looks pretty towny here as well IMO. what do you think of ythan/UG, kitten?

[Gimli]

votecount 1.14

rolling around at the speed of sound

12 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality, Titus, furtiveglance, Lycanfire, Elements, Enchant, Quiet Owl, Not_Mafia, Gamma Emerald)
3 players voting for Ythan (Save The Dragons, Morning Tweet, HighPrincessErinys)
2 players voting for furtiveglance (Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking)
1 player voting for Ranger (GeorgeBailey)
1 player voting for Quiet Owl (Ranger)

4 players not voting (Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, kitten around, MathBlade)

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to eliminate.

mod notes: night 1 will be extended until replacements can be found for Vaxkiller and Tapiocaphobe. UltimateGamer replaces Ythan.

I think the votecount was wrong because HPE was voting for frogsterking, and not ythan, at the end of d1. I guess that's unimportant cause it's just mod error, but ythan's wagon had dead town STD and morning tweet only.

[Gimli]

was about to start townreading HPE but guess not

[Gimli]

maybe it makes sense if elements is scum.

[Gimli]

ah I see. good to see it became such a massive runaway that there were at least two votes post gamma's hammer

[Gimli]

I've read through and have vague town reads on most people which is fun. Quiet Owl and Ranger are my two biggest town reads atm.
Funny thing, I didn't like Andrée's entrance and was thinking of moving my vote there only to remember that's the slot I replaced into.
VOTE: vaxkillerVOTE: [v/]

i don't like this post.
my multiball theory should be setting alarm bells off everywhere. are you hoping that i'm scum and i'll help you thin the herd a bit before you turn on me?

checking quiet owl's ISO and I really like this push on elements when elements is townreading QO. I think this will be another miselim.

[Gimli]

QO's open is already talking about multiball which is weird, but then elements comes up with a strong town read on them, which makes them suspicious of that slot. this reads too much like a multiball game atp to not be one, but as early as post 200 it's supposed to be casting doubt and owl's self awareness of it and then pushing the people townreading them is just too organic to be fake.

[Gimli]

I'm absolutely whiteknighting quiet owl. they're towny there are many better slots to flip today (ythan, HPE, even elements is better)

[Gimli]

I'm sorry my owl I'm probably never gonna get that level of tryhardy again. I have medication that gives me the dopamine mafia used to give me when I was getting all mentally ill and solvey.

My main reason for playing in this game is because I'm bad at maintaining friendships and I'm lonely.

you can be my friend, I love bad friendships that go sour quickly

[Gimli]

or. hear me out, I know this is not too much fun: let's flip NM. it's a dead slot, and all wagons are garbage.

[Gimli]

VOTE: not_mafia

[Gimli]

I think NM is just always a dead slot. Liked your couple of posts just now, UG.

How about we flip NM, then? I'm sure all the scum teams will be fine with it (other than the one that contains NM)

[Gimli]

spoiler alert: it's going to flip town

[Gimli]

Can we flip Gimli for being boring?

big games go like this:
1 - kill the people not playing
2 - kill the scummy people

you had to go first, but because the site meta is giving you a pass until god knows when, you get to 'play'. but this being multiball, it's a safe place to move the game forward.

also, forum mafia is awesome. you should try playing it.

[Gimli]

I'm actually really digging those posts by UG and have a hard time seeing the scum motivation behind them

[Gimli]

Can we flip Gimli for being boring?

I think Gimlinhas actually engaged with the thread at some points at least but I guess HE'S the boring one tho?

He's engaging with the thread in a boring manner

As oppose to running the same gimmick for years

[Gimli]

VOTE: kitten around

Sure...

[Gimli]

Lets Flip nm then

[Gimli]

VOTE: McMenno

I know this won’t happen but it should.

VOTE: not_mafia

[Gimli]

Been sitting here this entire time trying to decide if I wanna flip. There's nobody that I can see that TRULY stands out as scum. Like my resolve on Quiet has been wavering considerably and I'm starting to think they might be town again.

So do I wanna flip someone who is contributing to the thread discourse and actively looking to solve the game but whose flip might actually help solve other slots? Or do I wanna flip someone who is not trying to solve the game and is a non-entity that answers zero questions upon flip?

legit not sure honestly. I'm keeping my vote where it is for the time being but I'm strongly considering jumping to NM

we're thinking about this game very similarly, UG. jump on NM with me, let's be loud about it, maybe people will join

[Gimli]

He feeds off your rage.

nobody cares about NM and he still plays and trolls every single game. what makes me a little sad is that you punished the top poster on d1, on a big game where you just flip scummy UTRs and people not playing first, and you're still gonna give a dead slot a pass on d2 and hope someone wastes a vig on it, while punishing another person who's actually playing.

it's bad and y'all should feel bad

[Gimli]

good work, furtive.

like and subscribe

[Gimli]

welcome biancospino!

[Gimli]

I want a tldr

[Gimli]

VOTE: mcmenno

Scummiest poster in the game

[Gimli]

Hard to argue against a Not_Mafia wagon, but it's a redux of the McMenno wagon. Feels like random guessing

Have you read their posts? I don’t understand how you’re even comparing the two?

McMenno I mean.

I also don't understand the comparison as NM is just giving a bunch of nothing while mcmenno feels like the epitome of UTR scum.

And yes I was townreading him cause of the claim but after going back and forth in so many slots that aren't actually very scummy at all I think this is a fine compromise

[Gimli]

But mcmenno is posting reads and is therefore doing more AI things than NM

[Gimli]

there's no evidence the game's multiball and in fact direct evidence it

isn't

multiball. A flipped psychiatrist implies the presence of a serial killer; if it were multiball, we'd be

missing a kill

.

To explain, Psychiatrist = Serial Killer.
Serial Killers have kills.
We had two kills on town players N1.
Serial Killer who saw a Psychiatrist flip D1 would know they can't townside so would aim for town.
Two kills = groupscum + SK.

If the game were multiball, it should've been

three

kills (group A + group B + SK).

Two kills is direct evidence of singleball, so the multiball theory is explicitly proscum and likely +scum.

are you suggesting a multiball theory is more likely to come from scum?

either way the only thing we do know, because of the flipped psychiatrist, is the presence of a neutral SKer. we could have all sorts of mechanics that explain why there wasn't a 3rd kill at night, between modifiers and protections.

[Gimli]

are you suggesting a multiball theory is more likely to come from scum?

Yes. It gives a convenient distraction from natural scumhunting. Talking about multiball warps the discussion away from hunting for a coherent team and into hunting players who are town via scumhunting but appear like they could be scum if the game were multiball.

It prevents players from being townread who otherwise would be townread, because multiball standards for town are different than singleball standards for town.

Advocating for multiball acts as a distraction, casting attention away from a team of ~5-6 (for this game size) and away from clearing someone who can't be scum with others.

that's a level of machiavellism I find unlikely to be why QO said what he said. He was trying a read on two players he thought were scummy, and came up with setup spec that I don't think went anywhere and he didn't touch on later. what he did with it was pushing elements for townreading him, when he was self aware his multiball spec was odd.

[Gimli]

IDK how to weigh in on mcmenno other than it needs death and if I had a dayvig I'd kill it

[Gimli]

Ranger hard defending mcmenno makes absolutely zero sense to me unless he has information or is powerwolfing

powerwolfing makes sense in this game given how the loudest players are pushing for strange wagons that will probably flip town

I accept these wagons: mcmenno/NM/george bailey? and it feels like it's so damn hard to push for these low hanging fruits because they're being hard protected, which doesn't make sense if they're town.

game looks like all the people posting and trying are town, and if they're not town they're still universally townread and are powerwolfing the game as a result.

with so many towny players, the people not playing the game is where a lot of the scum is, so we should 100% go after UTRs.

town's inability to read and scumhunt got a townie top poster killed on d1. some of these same people are being loud about their other hero reads, and getting sheeped as a result.

[Gimli]

not george bailey.

I'm killing mcmenno or NM and if mcmenno is a wolf I'll be highly suspicious of ranger in this game.

[Gimli]

unfortunately that's not a power I possess, I'm just saying what sort of wagons I'll agree with for today

[Gimli]

KA: why didn't you want to out the hood with gamma?
bianco: how's KA in the hood? do you agree gamma was very towny there, as KA said?

[Gimli]

Saying you're in a hood with someone and that they're towny in it wouldn't sway scumreads from gamma idt.

Fwiw I think Gamma was pretty towny itt, especially on D2 and some parts of D1 when she was hard pushed by frogster

Pedir: yeah I understand I asked something hard, but your response helps us access KA's perspective. If her emotions are genuine and towny looking it makes sense what KA is saying

[Gimli]

I've been trying to decide whether frogster's earlier post

@all

Also: I hate every single one of you for townreading Gamma for absolutely shit reasons, and you all deserve to lose (and probably will) for not backing me up.

Is fake emotion or genuine. I had a false start by reading a recent game where they were scum... so I kept drinking, err, digging. in large normal 242 he was town, and by all accounts pushy enough, but didn't seem to resort to this kind of AtE. AtE is something that actually seems to trip up frogster. despite being pushy they were pretty open to sheeping and shielding their townreads. They were assertive when they thought they had scum, but they did that in the scumgame too (I was very concerned when they kept flipping town.)

@frogster

do you usually say you hate everyone for not following you on a read?

townreading lycan for this post and his general assessment of frogster, gamma and other slots on d1.

re: enchant. still scummy and still needs death. is defending NM who is probably another wolf.

[Gimli]

watch us eat each other up while the scumteam of enchant, not mafia, mcmenno, and a couple of townlooking scums win the game

[Gimli]

I'm not going there as a matter of policy, I'm going there as a matter of gamestate + I find all three of them scummy tbh. enchant does not feel like town at all, mcmenno showing up to go 'omg im not wagonz' is something that deserves a dayvig, and NM started getting a little survivalistic once we tried forming a wagon around him. gun to head they're all scum.

[Gimli]

I think so, yes. you caught what I'm seeing re: NM acting survivalistic

[Gimli]

UTR = under the radar

I'm not home will respond more later

[Gimli]

Is really that the point you're contesting?
There are things that tilt me wrong about Gimli, how they come off as manipulative using extremely charged language like repeatedly saying people ought to die, and having such read on you GtH is kind of an oof but... you're not making not looking at you as sus easy. And I'm talking also to Enchant and Not_Mafia.
In particular, N_M, please do something at all in this game. Please. Game's already likely messed up as it is, we do not need to also have a mistery box in it

I am trying to manipulate y'all into eliminating these under the radar lurkers instead of killing towny people, yes. I could keep being a potato but I don't like where this game is going and I have seen exactly zero individuals showing up with any kind of self criticism over how d1 went. it's all frogster's fault, he was a meany, he was a jester, he was this and that, and now you're after QO and KA, slots I'm not clearing but don't feel good about eliminating at all. My point is, the threadstate is one that invites powerwolfing and invites wrong town being loud. scums win games like this.

[Gimli]

whoever I misgendered I apologise deeply and will do my best not to do it again.

[Gimli]

Maybe you should scumhunt instead

so let me try a POE

I think furtive is pretty much always town. that's my strongest townread atm, alongside gamma and her replacement. then there's several levels of people I think are towny but not towny enough that I'm clearing them. that's kitty, cat scratch, ultimate gamer (stronger townread), ranger, titus. I liked some lycan's posts, some of KA, some of prince of paterson and some of QO. I think mathblade is maybe town, I think the paranoia over titus is hardly a fake but it could be.

so, who's left? HPE, enchant, george, elements, imaginality (but then there's the titus claim), NM, mcmenno. that's my POE, that's the people I would maybe eliminate today. out of those, I'm not touching elements cause she has towny moments and I'm not touching imaginality either because of the claim. george's few posts aren't bad either.

so what's left? HPE, who's actually playing mafia, and then the three of you. you, mcmenno, and enchant. enchant I think is always scum. the other two are harder to read, but I think you're being survivalistic here because you're scum and I think mcmenno is just a scummy under the radar slot that needs to be flipped.

is that good scumhunting, NM? am I solving enough for your taste?

[Gimli]

VOTE: enchant

[Gimli]

not george bailey.

I'm killing mcmenno or NM and if mcmenno is a wolf I'll be highly suspicious of ranger in this game.

Did you kill last night? Sorry if your claim is in thread I haven’t seen it yet.

No I mean kill as in who we're voting out of the game. It is weird wording I guess but I'm not claiming anything.

Re: loud players, I wasn't talking about you but about the people pushing either KA or QO. Although I also think you've been barking at the wrong tree wrt Titus.

[Gimli]

Who are my scumpartners then?

enchant is doing a thing where they defend you for absolutely no reason, for instance

[Gimli]

Who are my scumpartners then?

enchant is doing a thing where they defend you for absolutely no reason, for instance

What's the scum benefit for Enchant to tie himself to my slot with no reasoning? If I am scum of course

why wouldnt he

[Gimli]

scum helps a partner in the thread is an actual strategy

[Gimli]

if I was your scumbuddy I'd be arguing all over the place that NM is random at best and you don't need to flip it, or do like enchant and actual go ahead and townread you like they're doing.

[Gimli]

I'm talking to not mafia in those posts, so 'you' is because of that. I don't do good posts and I apologise

[Gimli]

titus are you townreading mathblade?

[Gimli]

that's good, I think his viewpoint on NM now is great and can shift the game to a place where I think we have a better chance to win. knowing you're strong townreading him makes me feel good about this gameday.

[Gimli]

what do you think of enchant? I think it's scum

[Gimli]

I'll look over Enchant.

Can you talk to me about UltimateGamer? Kitten Around?

now that I'm reading UG's ISO, I think it's the towniest and some of the best stuff I've read in this game. Comes out with strong takes that make sense from the get go and is doing very good consistent work in the thread.

I'm close to locking that slot now that you mentioned.

I'll ISO KA and tell you what I think in a bit.

[Gimli]

I'm scumleaning KA after ISOing, it's taking a lot of safe stances from the first day and their reads don't feel maleable like a towny. I haven't read the entirety of it but I can see why people want it dead.

[Gimli]

You seem very tunnelled and you’re ignoring really blatant things like Titus saying Imaginality was mod confirmed.

Yeah you can scream and wail and gnash your teeth and it doesn't change the fact that you don't really find 906 convincing and you have no way to answer 1055 about how you're caught in the thread and didn't realize Quiet Owl wasn't talking about multiball in 906.

[Gimli]

did frogster catch KA on day one and I didn't read it?

[Gimli]

I think KA's insistence on bringing up the 'mod confirmed' bit on Titus' claim for several days isn't a good look because it's not a very important point (from a townie pov) and feels like the safest stance to have re: Titus. if you believe she is town then you have to believe her when she talks about anything being mod confirmed, and whatnot.

[Gimli]

I think KA's insistence on bringing up the 'mod confirmed' bit on Titus' claim for several days isn't a good look because it's not a very important point (from a townie pov) and feels like the safest stance to have re: Titus. if you believe she is town then you have to believe her when she talks about anything being mod confirmed, and whatnot.

I don’t understand why? I’m generally terrible at mech, so I get confused on things like this all the time, so if any of that reads scummy to you, then I’m scum in every game that isn’t mountainous.

it's a good thought but it's scummy, the way you're constantly bringing it up in the thread, and you're not making many posts everyday, so it became a solo-take that you use to position yourself, when the game is large and there are a gazillion things to talk about.

the bit I'm quoting from frog is about how kitten strong townread of QO's MQ (that I agree with frog, didn't amount to anything substantial) is more likely coming from informed scum. since he died and flipped town.

got a massive headache now I'm back in a bit

[Gimli]

I edited that last paragraph and didn't delete that last part about frogster dying and flipping town. it's from a different point I decided not to make now.

[Gimli]

but frog was town

[Gimli]

what he meant was that your strong townread of quiet owl's work was coming from informed scum because it's not a hard thing for scum to come up with. he wasn't talking about your read of him but your read of QO.

[Gimli]

It just really made sense to me because of what I know about past Xyzzy games.

What does this mean?

Xyzzy setups are frequently either bastard or mech complex if not both. They had a jester in one game and a scum recruiter role in another and I think you look like you’re trying to solve but ignoring things like Titus saying “mod confirmed” for example.

But if this game is anything like those other Xyzzy games I spectated, then it explains why I’m so confused so far in this game. I expect that will change once we get some flips.

@kitten, a thing you never fully explained about this is, 1034 read like it was there to justify why you found QO's post-by-post to be of value (as it was in response to Frog's 1028); however the point about xyzzy mod meta does not wield into that at all, and instead appears to wield into QO's comment about multiball which was another post entirely and should not factor into 1023.
This is weird, and I get why Frog took it as you metaforgetting along the way what you were exactly sheeping QO over.

that's the part where he catches her yeah

[Gimli]

*catches them

sorry

[Gimli]

VOTE: kitten around

[Gimli]

I never read those pages until now. sucks to replace in yo

[Gimli]

I'm scumleaning KA after ISOing, it's taking a lot of safe stances from the first day and their reads don't feel maleable like a towny. I haven't read the entirety of it but I can see why people want it dead.

Explain why you were willing to resist the wagon earlier and call it garbage and search for other options when you hadn't really read the slot? Or had you read before and came to a different conclusion this time? What specific posts from kitten did you previously find towny and what made you more willing to reassess now?

there's a specific part of this game where KA simply scumtells when they're defending QA from frog, quite early on d1. I either didn't read or didn't fully captured the essence of the discussions and the reason why frog begin to scumread them so hard. It's in the thread as it's something I was bringing up when I begin to scumread her, and then bianco's post brings a very important point: KA forgot why she was defending QA and started talking about multiball instead of QA's MQ about frog. I think that means they'll flip scum a whole lot. Plus the rest of their ISO just points to scum.

as to why I was strongly against that wagon, I had a different feeling the first time I ISO'd them and wasn't quite integrated with the game as I am now.

[Gimli]

I'm sorry for misgendering you mcmenno, I didn't mean to

[Gimli]

UNVOTE:

what happened

[Gimli]

elements come back here and finish this gameday pls

[Gimli]

kitten around is very likely flipping scum because there's little chance her defense of quiet owl on d1 to frogster came from town.

[Gimli]

we really don't have to go for mcmenno, I don't think. if KA flips town you can put on my tab

[Gimli]

quiet owl is still town

[Gimli]

kitten around is very likely flipping scum because there's little chance her defense of quiet owl on d1 to frogster came from town.

?? This doesn’t follow if you think QO is town?

kitten started to talk about quiet owl's multiball theory when she was supposed to be talking about quiet owl's MQ of frog, like kitten couldn't follow their own supposed reasons for townreading QO.

I think the defense of QO comes from informed scum with TMI that owl is town, and not necessarily a SvS world.

[Gimli]

I think the detail of that take looks like Owl put a lot of thought and analysis into that post. It didn’t read to me like iioa. Do you disagree with that?

You're the only one whose bringing up IIOA, AFAIK. I'm saying Quiet Owl's analysis in 906 is pretty sparse and surface level, to the extent that anyone quick with a mouse and keyboard could write it in 30 seconds upon request, even if they've never played a game of mafia in their life. I think if you were really Town it would be easier for you to recognize this.

I'm open to believing you that you're confused about my reaction, I think what could be happening is that you're pretending to view the game how you think a townie would, and you skimmed Owl's post and thought it would be normal townie thing to be persuaded by. It isn't.

I suppose that’s possible? I did think it made sense as a valid analysis and still do. I suppose it’s possible scum could also have made that post. It just really made sense to me because of what I know about past Xyzzy games.

here. you forgot that you were townreading Owl for their MQ on frog, NOT for multiball theorizing.

it's followed by this:

It just really made sense to me because of what I know about past Xyzzy games.

What does this mean?

Xyzzy setups are frequently either bastard or mech complex if not both. They had a jester in one game and a scum recruiter role in another and I think you look like you’re trying to solve but ignoring things like Titus saying “mod confirmed” for example.

But if this game is anything like those other Xyzzy games I spectated, then it explains why I’m so confused so far in this game. I expect that will change once we get some flips.

You seem very tunnelled and you’re ignoring really blatant things like Titus saying Imaginality was mod confirmed.

Yeah you can scream and wail and gnash your teeth and it doesn't change the fact that you don't really find 906 convincing and you have no way to answer 1055 about how you're caught in the thread and didn't realize Quiet Owl wasn't talking about multiball in 906.

[Gimli]

and I wasn't here when ythan left neither think it was my fault for gamma leaving since I wasn't even here on d1

[Gimli]

I think you have the cutest avi though

[Gimli]

I don't think we should be talking about why they left, it has nothing to do with this

but anyway sorry I fed you up I guess

[Gimli]

Two more let's go

[Gimli]

"Occam's razor"

I see you didn't read my posts, quiet. Can you just vote kitten so we move the game forward?

[Gimli]

kitten around is very likely flipping scum because there's little chance her defense of quiet owl on d1 to frogster came from town.

This only works with Quiet Owl being scum--flip Quiet Owl first.

I believe kitten around is town. Quite strongly.

I'm starting to think you're scum tbh

do you have experience with ranger? is she the type to powerwolf a game into oblivion when she is scum?

[Gimli]

nothing odd with biancospino's role. or play. or gamma's. just a non-topic tbh.

why is lycanfire saying it's odd?

also, funny enchant and NM never went for KA went they're the meme hammers of the game

[Gimli]

vote kitten out? at some point we move the game forward for the sanity of everyone involved, but yeah. biancospino wants HPE to answer something that I think means they're on the big hood together, so they get to ask it whenever they want.

[Gimli]

Hello all

I still think KA is town

I hope you're wrong. the only thing that gives me pause about it is the weird way in which kitten has AtE'd last night, and I don't wanna talk about it further, but it'd be a dick move if they're scum.

the rest of their play doesn't feel like town in the slightest. why are you townreading them?

[Gimli]

votecount 2.09

so after I was done at the movies (I saw M3gan — pretty good movie as long as you're willing to buy into laughing at a horror comedy that is just relentlessly mean-spirited, which obviously isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea), I went a couple stops further on the train to a stop with a Trader Joe's, because my roommate is a big fan of their frozen meal offerings, so it's a good option to have on hand when neither of us has the energy to do something more involved. I forgot to bring an insulated bag with me though, so I had to buy one there. do you think I made the right call going with the $8 insulated reusable bag at rather than the slightly smaller $6 insulated reusable bag? sound off in the comments

8 players voting for kitten around (Cat Scratch Fever, Prince of Paterson, McMenno, Lycanfire, Titus, Gimli, HighPrincessErinys, biancospino)
5 players voting for Quiet Owl (MathBlade, UltimateGamer, Ranger, imaginality, KittyTacky)
3 players voting for McMenno (kitten around, furtiveglance, Elements)
1 player voting for biancospino (Not_Mafia)
1 player voting for Cat Scratch Fever (Enchant)

2 players not voting (Quiet Owl, GeorgeBailey)

with 20 votes, it takes 11 to eliminate.

mod notes:

VOTE: kitten around

L-2

I'm scumleaning KA after ISOing, it's taking a lot of safe stances from the first day and their reads don't feel maleable like a towny. I haven't read the entirety of it but I can see why people want it dead.

i agree with this.

however the logical conclusion from someone defending someone else, when the majority of the player list is against them, in a way that is flimsy or illogical is that they're scum partners. or lovers. or otherwise entangled, e.g. pr whose ability only works while that person's still alive.

scum do not typically stick their necks out for random townies. scum lets the town eliminate townies that look suspicious, and uses their nightkill on the ones who could never be eliminated in the day.

but hey maybe not acting normally is an excellent way to fool me. VOTE: kitten around

L-1

then bianco unvoted

so it's L-2

[Gimli]

you're a champ, enchant.

[Gimli]

UNVOTE:

okay

who do you think is scum, kitty? furtive, how about you? who are we limming?

[Gimli]

elements is just voting the top wagon while V/LA to help move the game forward. she did unvote and went for mcmenno who you're scumreading.

I don't see how any of those wagons are going to happen today. maybe McMenno but under heavy protest from ranger, at least.

the only thing that just pinged me about lycanfire was their attempt at discrediting biancospino's claim. other than that IDK that I scumread it - pending a reread.

McMenno I can move there and flip it, sure. It's not playing mafia and there's nothing to townread it for, other than ranger squinting her eyes pretty hard to find a reason.

I'll recheck your TR on KA now and see if I agree with parts of it.

[Gimli]

I'm scumreading kitten more cause they couldn't follow their own TR of quiet owl. that's caught scum in my book. but I like being a team player, so if both you and kitty aren't feeling it at all we can move to a different target. there's a lot of scum in this game anyway.

[Gimli]

UG is town methinks. it's thinking I'm scummy for buddying them which is a towntell in every game I played on this site.

[Gimli]

RE: furtive's towncase on kitten, the only towny looking post in your MQ is from a different game, so I don't quite vibe with it. I can see kitten's emotions being genuine but that's also the part of my mafia playing where I get all hazy and do bad things that eliminate the wrong people.

[Gimli]

MQ?

multi-quote

[Gimli]

VOTE: kitten around

I feel this is correct. Sorry if I'm wrong, furtive and kitty.

[Gimli]

UNVOTE:

Sigh. I'm here later.

[Gimli]

VOTE: kitten

[Gimli]

arigatou, enchant san

[Gimli]

NM come here and do your thing

[Gimli]

beautiful

[Gimli]

loved this image so much I'm townreading you for it

[Gimli]

HPE is scum I think

[Gimli]

'kitten team'

das multiballen theorie

[Gimli]

why were you hiding the hood? that's super silly cause then only town don't know that. but gamma said somewhere ITT there's a hood with 8 people in it. or is this another hood?

[Gimli]

who's in the hood?

[Gimli]

a secret weapon for scum

[Gimli]

imagine that there's at least one scum in the hood. that means the entirety of the scums know about the hood and everyone in it. they get the hood feels and the thread feels, and whatnot. all you guys did was hide from the town with no information and not in a hood, making the game harder.

[Gimli]

but the hood chose to not out its members which is neg. utility for town if there's at least one scum in the hood DUCY

[Gimli]

it's fine but it's not a good play

[Gimli]

neg. utility is a bullshit term for what I'm trying to say

but it's bad that we don't know who's in the hood and have to pick up by when your cross conversations surface out from hood to main thread.

[Gimli]

DUCY = do you see why?

it's not about that. scum knows who's in the hood and what you're talking about. we should know it too.

[Gimli]

the chances of 0 scum is extremely slim, you know

[Gimli]

Re. the hood, even if there's scum in it there might still be value in concealing it from the SK and/or other scum team if it's multiball and only one scum is in the hood

I won't say more about this matter, other than a well informed town makes better decisions.

[Gimli]

thanks for the work in the thread, lycan. lock clearing you of course, hope you get protection at night

[Gimli]

Lycan is ~never scum

[Gimli]

But then you sus lycan's work anyway?

[Gimli]

Is it because of the effort it takes and how that's not something scum usually does?

You're just gonna call "effort" on a guy drawing a map of every interaction to, from and about an uflipped player for associative reads; one that is nuanced and has many relevant points for the rest of the game, and if kitten does flip scum should be used as reference. That's outside of scum ranges. Nobody in their sane heads would do that without even knowing if the thread is gonna lock.

But surely you and NM know better

[Gimli]

Everytime you post I die a little inside

Cry abt it

[Gimli]

There isn't a tldr to a map and KA remains unflipped