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VOTE: pink ball
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if anyone is dondozo they should target me.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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im town.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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yeah ok
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Why is your sig just three posts about you being bad at town?In post 82, NorwegianboyEE wrote: INTENT TO WITNESS SAID HAMMERWhen it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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My sig is about squirting out water with vigorous force.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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generally if people can't find you as town it says more about your play than theirs though.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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also VOTE: sheepsaysmeep
vibes are off.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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why
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I don't agree, I think popping in the thread and jumping in on two jokes is the opposite of "being comfortable"In post 101, Klick wrote:
I think he feels comfortableIn post 99, SquirtleSquad wrote:why
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I think scum try to blend in during the early game using fluff and jokes literally all the time?In post 112, Klick wrote:
It feels like the sort of approach that scum would consciously avoid?In post 105, SquirtleSquad wrote:
I don't agree, I think popping in the thread and jumping in on two jokes is the opposite of "being comfortable"In post 101, Klick wrote:
I think he feels comfortableIn post 99, SquirtleSquad wrote:why
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And yet...In post 123, Klick wrote:
'This player wants to blend in' is like one of the most common reasons for an early serious wagon to startIn post 119, Invisibility wrote:
how does that work like what's the distinctionIn post 118, Klick wrote: If scum are thinking 'how can I avoid getting suspected early' I feel like the current meta is developed in such a way that appearing to be 'blending in' is the last thing they'd want to do
ACTUALLY blending in, sure
But it has to be in a way that doesn't look like an attempt at blending in
like don't scum in all situations not want to seem to be intentionally faking something
So my instinct is to assume most scum don't want to be *the player who wants to blend in*When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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Like there is a reason that these things tend to be "the reason early serious wagons start."
There's also a hole in your logic here where you're simultaneously claiming that scum will be noticed for doing this thing which is definitionally "blending in."
If they do it well they will have in fact blended in and won't be wagoned for it.
But I also think you're putting too much analysis into the thought process of your average scum player. I do not think the average scum player is thinking "I don't want to be noticed so I'd better not TRY to LOOK like I'm trying to not be noticed!" At least I certainly don't.
I think the average scum player enters the thread and says "I don't want to stick out" and a frequent way this is accomplished is by doing exactly what sheep did.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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Ironically I think this critique applies much more to your claim than it does to flavor leaf.In post 129, Klick wrote:
This feels like a take based in a large amount of experience and confidence in being scumIn post 126, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 115, Pink Ball wrote: I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. I don’t think that level of self consciousness is applicable to 95% of the site
Pedit @Klick
Same. I feel the opposite is generally true.
Scum can be as scummy fluffy as they want early because at the end of the day, there’s no good case on people early.
Scum don’t care if they almost get faded in early early game because more than likely there’ll be people who go “woah let’s not end the day that fast” and then people will go elsewhere
I don’t think this is how most scum players think
I think you are the one who are ascribing a much higher level of reasoning to how mafia players approach early game than I think actually happens.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I agree with the first part.In post 135, Klick wrote: It's a conversation that lends itself to getting too into the weeds
I struggle to see into the mindset of a scum player who actively chooses to make the posts sheep started this game with
I can potentially see it from the perspective of a scum player who was just not thinking particularly hard about their approach
I think that's less likely than sheep just being town
I could if I cared find you 10 examples of scum players entering the game exactly like sheep did but I am lazy. I am kind of shocked that you have not had a similar experience on your own.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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firebringer is town.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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idr feel the need to help you figure out how to defend yourself.In post 146, sheepsaysmeep wrote: squirtle would u be willing to quantify ur read on me a bit more precisely/vividly? like is it just a gut thing to get the game going, or would u call it a legit scum lean, etc
idk
either you'll show you're town or you'll die and either outcome is ok.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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why nopeIn post 184, Doctor Drew wrote:
NopeIn post 181, SquirtleSquad wrote: firebringer is town.
Yeeeessssss
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We had two whole days of pregame where presumably scum could talk and I feel pretty sure they would have discussed the battle mechanics so either this discussion on firebringers part of the battle mechanics of the game is a deliberate dumbtell designed to prompt me to have exactly this reaction, scum!firebringer completely ignored his scum team during pregame (possible ig?) or firebringer is town who has not spent any time discussing or figuring out said mechanics.
1 and 2 are possible but 3 is way more likely.
So I'm gunna need a really compelling answer to my "why" question.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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pink ball is just agreeing with everything I say. Could just be because I am so cool and handsome though.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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i'm town.In post 189, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
it's more for me trying to read u lol, not concerned with defenseIn post 185, SquirtleSquad wrote:
idr feel the need to help you figure out how to defend yourself.In post 146, sheepsaysmeep wrote: squirtle would u be willing to quantify ur read on me a bit more precisely/vividly? like is it just a gut thing to get the game going, or would u call it a legit scum lean, etc
idk
either you'll show you're town or you'll die and either outcome is ok.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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the more sheep posts the more he is doing the first part of "you will show yourself to be townie or die" thing btw.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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add that as a fourth possibility if you want, I still think its way less likely than firebringer just being town tho.In post 209, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
They could have easily not discussed it. Towns give scum PTs too much credit. I've lost count of how many times I've assumed scum did XYZ on purpose only to learn postgame they were hardly talking at all.In post 188, SquirtleSquad wrote: We had two whole days of pregame where presumably scum could talk and I feel pretty sure they would have discussed the battle mechanics so either this discussion on firebringers part of the battle mechanics of the game is a deliberate dumbtell designed to prompt me to have exactly this reaction, scum!firebringer completely ignored his scum team during pregame (possible ig?) or firebringer is town who has not spent any time discussing or figuring out said mechanics.
1 and 2 are possible but 3 is way more likely.
So I'm gunna need a really compelling answer to my "why" question.
If scum only ever did things they "have to" do, their win rate would be much lower.In post 193, Pink Ball wrote:
Squirtle's read on you seems legit, not coming from scum pushing town or scum pushing a partnerIn post 153, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
can u say more abt ur reads on squirtle/klickIn post 145, Pink Ball wrote: Squirtle is town too
I think my instinct about their exchange is very different from urs
Klick's defense on you seems legit, not coming from scum trying to whiteknight really early game or scum protecting a partner.
Scum!Squirtle doesn't need to do either of those things this early as scum.
Scum!Klick doesn't need to do either of those things this early as scum.
Not saying that they wouldn't but they don't have to, so I'm assuming they aren't.
Thank you. It's good to know early who my detractors will be.In post 197, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Scummiest vote so far imo.In post 177, Chandra Nalaar wrote:And so begins what I presume will be a lengthy and calculated campaign of intentional uselessness. This is the most fun part of a game to read: low in density, things feel at their most fluid. If this is your response each time you view the thread, you will never post at all.
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much more interested in doctor drew.
seems just like normal patchwork to me. they're always like this.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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doesnt preclude them from being scum I suppose.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I responded to his saying nope to my firebringer town read with what I thought was pretty good reasoning.
Even if he didn't agree with that, I was attempting to start a dialogue, I would expect a town player to be interested in using that hook to try to sort me, or at least to have some sort of interaction which was readable.
He responded by ignoring it completely and interaction with the fluff post directly above it to continue fluff posting. All the things he's said seem either contrived or actively unhelpful.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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Also pink ball is pretty obviously hinting at the fact that doctor drew is the secret scum read he has and I want to see how he justifies that read to better inform my read of pink ball.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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nah I think its great.In post 277, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Not too convincing.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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black alt.In post 287, patchwork wrote:
wait who the heck are youIn post 270, SquirtleSquad wrote: much more interested in doctor drew.
seems just like normal patchwork to me. they're always like this.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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Just wait until black posts.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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Anyway patchwork and black definitely not scum together lmao.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I'm so good at lying.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I'm sorry for lying, black is in this game so I can't be her.
This is actually my first ever game of mafia dot scum dot net.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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bruh.In post 303, Doctor Drew wrote:
You don't find me interesting??In post 274, Invisibility wrote:
what do you find interesting?In post 270, SquirtleSquad wrote: much more interested in doctor drew.
seems just like normal patchwork to me. they're always like this.
You must be real fun at parties.In post 276, SquirtleSquad wrote: I responded to his saying nope to my firebringer town read with what I thought was pretty good reasoning.
Even if he didn't agree with that, I was attempting to start a dialogue, I would expect a town player to be interested in using that hook to try to sort me, or at least to have some sort of interaction which was readable.
He responded by ignoring it completely and interaction with the fluff post directly above it to continue fluff posting. All the things he's said seem either contrived or actively unhelpful.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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Please stop being personally insulting to me in a game of mafia dude.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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Nothing I said or did was warranted you calling me stupid or insulting my social literacy or sociability. It is outside of the bounds of the game we are playing pretty explicitly by the rule set of this game. So, please stop.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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my whole point is you chose to shit post instead of trying to develop a real read of either me or firebringer.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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weak as hell post tbhIn post 313, Blue. wrote: This is a very serious forum topic for aggressive mind games, there is no place for tomfoolery here.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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nah you're just scum.In post 315, Doctor Drew wrote:
I have played as bunch with FB recently, once as scum buddies, yes I was having fun with them. You might think it is crazy, but that helps me read them.In post 312, SquirtleSquad wrote: my whole point is you chose to shit post instead of trying to develop a real read of either me or firebringer.
And yes I chose to continue to shit post, and I will shit post even more no matter what stage the game is in. Doesn't mean I am not playing the game or trying to sort.
You are trying to force a reaction, and judging by what has happened here we haven't played together as of yet, I prefer to let nature take it's course.
You do you boo, I will do me
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the best part about ranger read lists is knowing what pages lots of stuff happened on and then seeing almost no changes at all when they get to those pages.
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idc if people try to guess who I am.
I'm not gunna react to any of it either way.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I guess I don't understand why they'd place you at the bottom if they're being political. Are you saying they wouldn't care about what you think about them or what?In post 405, Flavor Leaf wrote: Political positioning is when someone makes reads specifically to take a stake and play and help control a gamestate.
As someone who also makes reads list as town and scum, I can feel the difference when a player is actually reading the gamestate in such a way or if they’re listing to have a better spot in the general gamestate.
The fact they had multiple at the top, and non existent me is fake af.
It makes the people closer to the top happy with Ranger, and the ones kind of in the middle hope to go up.
Ranger started to put me up once I called them out hoping I’d start liking them more.
Their lower tiers are there being held down and likely going to take some flak.
They put me there with little to zero content when they literally just went through a game with me not too long ago where i just posted gifs all day 1.
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this does not even slightly resemble what I said about sheep.In post 412, Invisibility wrote:
ooooh ok okIn post 409, patchwork wrote:
squirtle says (this is oversimplified) "sheep just sort of disappeared, i think this is scum-indicative". iIn post 404, Invisibility wrote:
I'm still confused sorry what gives Squirtle's argument more credibility?In post 401, patchwork wrote:
no bc squirtle's initial post was "vibes are off" or something along those lines... WHERE ARE THE VIBES IM NOT PICKING THEM UPIn post 398, Invisibility wrote:
you find it strange that Squirtle made on that argument on Sheep cuz Sheep had so few posts but since you forgot about Sheep it has more credibility?In post 389, patchwork wrote: i find it a little strange that they sprang that read on sheep when sheep had four or five posts. i, myself, literally forgot sheep had even posted at all, so i believe that gives squirtle's argument more credibility.forgotsheep had even posted, so i think the argument is more fair.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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specifically I did not like sheeps entrance because I thought it was trying to find jokey places to be present in the thread. The whole argument with Klick was about whether or not that was something scum tend to do or not so I have a hard time seeing how you could have actually read the conversation between me and klick without picking up on that.In post 417, patchwork wrote:
wait what did you say then....In post 414, SquirtleSquad wrote:this does not even slightly resemble what I said about sheep.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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At no point was my point about activity on not being present in the thread.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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Correct. I don't think they're scum either. I think there's a pretty big tonal difference between their scum and town games.In post 435, Chandra Nalaar wrote: patchwork may be scum, but they definitely did not have an evil plan of deliberately misrepping Squirtle there.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I would like to lim a person in this group more than any other player in this list so no dice soldier.In post 560, Firebringer wrote: I am considering forming a day one alliance.
Those who I wish to join my alliance:
Flavor, Chandra, Norwee, Drew and Squirtle
We will call ourselves the elite 6. Sounds like a good plan to me
Don't even townread everyone in that group just think this is a fun alliance.
How about we defeat all these poser trainers.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I will say if someone is playing on an alt account specifically because they want to play a different persona/playstyle maybe we can all stop calling them by their other username and use the one they're playing this game with?When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I'm never trying to read FL without flips.
He can sit comfortably in the null until I'm ready to deal with him.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I am saying that I think you have a pretty wide scum range and I think the best way to catch you is to look at your actions in the aggregate and decide if you've been pushing pro town or pro scum narratives. That's impossible to evaluate without some corpses.In post 684, Flavor Leaf wrote:
This looks fake and noncommittal, but I’m still trying to pocket you, so you can still be town for now.In post 682, SquirtleSquad wrote: I'm never trying to read FL without flips.
He can sit comfortably in the null until I'm ready to deal with him.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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it seems weird to call my post "non-committal." like its some kind of gotcha.
like yeah dude it's non-committal. I was explicitly saying I will not commit to a read on you on day 1. I wasn't trying to be sneaky about it.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I read all people who I think have really wide scum ranges this way.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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your self meta is noted and ignored.In post 708, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I wouldn’t agree that it’s impossible. People just overthink me. I think refusing to read is just kinda lazy.In post 706, SquirtleSquad wrote:
I am saying that I think you have a pretty wide scum range and I think the best way to catch you is to look at your actions in the aggregate and decide if you've been pushing pro town or pro scum narratives. That's impossible to evaluate without some corpses.In post 684, Flavor Leaf wrote:
This looks fake and noncommittal, but I’m still trying to pocket you, so you can still be town for now.In post 682, SquirtleSquad wrote: I'm never trying to read FL without flips.
He can sit comfortably in the null until I'm ready to deal with him.
In theory, your reasoning should apply to everyone in the game, but you’re singling me out for some reason.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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this is the second time blue has jumped in like this, I thought the interaction when I was pressuring drew was very similar where he doubled down on the insulting comment drew made to me.In post 749, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
If you're going to defend someone at the first sign of pressure, at least provide a reason. Otherwise, kindly let me do my thing.In post 740, Blue. wrote:
I don't really think so.In post 731, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
What an arbitrary and fake thought. This can be scum.In post 718, Titus wrote:
I can see this. Neither have anything memorable. Could this be a prefer town but backup scum partner situation?In post 216, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I think it's a fair criticism.In post 212, Chandra Nalaar wrote: If we could get some more votes on WhemeStar, that would be great. I would also accept patchwork. Get in on the ground floor of this scum catching opportunity! #girlboss
You're coming into the game very hard on a slot that merely posted they don't have time to read the 5 pages. If this is how you typically play regardless of alignment then i won't take too much issue. But still i find it independently to be more likely coming from scum that wants to take a grand standing early but does it by pushing an lurker slot.
Notably drew has still done fuck all this game.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I think I've stated my reads pretty plainly already.In post 762, sheepsaysmeep wrote: squirtle what do ur main reads look like outside of drewWhen it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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But ok I think patchwork is town, I think firebringer is town very strongly, I think drew is scum. I think ranger and blue are the top of the null scum pile.
Other than that lots of null pings.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I am down to policy lim N_M for funsies.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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This is also personally insulting to me. I am once again asking you to stop making comments that are personally insulting to me.In post 771, Blue. wrote:
No, I specifically repeated that comment because you were being an overly aggro buzzkill and could stand to dial it down a little - playing like you have been is going to be a drain on you and everyone else because others aren't likely to match the high level of intensity you seem to be expecting, which will lead to a lot of frustration.In post 760, SquirtleSquad wrote: this is the second time blue has jumped in like this, I thought the interaction when I was pressuring drew was very similar where he doubled down on the insulting comment drew made to me.
Notably drew has still done fuck all this game.
Lighten up, squirt.
I did nothing outside the bounds of normal mafia play. I asked for a player to play the game when they weren't doing so, and your defense of their continued refusal to play the game is noted. Quite frankly the claim that this:
is "overly aggro" is quite frankly absurd so if you could kindly take your insults elsewhere and play the fucking game instead that would be dope.In post 276, SquirtleSquad wrote: I responded to his saying nope to my firebringer town read with what I thought was pretty good reasoning.
Even if he didn't agree with that, I was attempting to start a dialogue, I would expect a town player to be interested in using that hook to try to sort me, or at least to have some sort of interaction which was readable.
He responded by ignoring it completely and interaction with the fluff post directly above it to continue fluff posting. All the things he's said seem either contrived or actively unhelpful.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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Holy deliberate misrep batman.In post 777, Blue. wrote:
You have 5 reads in a 30 page game?In post 767, SquirtleSquad wrote: But ok I think patchwork is town, I think firebringer is town very strongly, I think drew is scum. I think ranger and blue are the top of the null scum pile.
Other than that lots of null pings.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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The claim that you don't know the difference between disagreeing with someone and saying "you must be real fun at parties" and "you are a buzzkill" is also absurd if you're an adult.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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