world.createNew(Utopia everHope); - EPILOGUE (GAME OVER!)

[KidAmn]

Well, my name replaced Leons on the list so I assume I'm okay to start posting. Doing the reading thing.

[KidAmn]

Not to replace the read to catchup, but if anyone feels inclined to give me their summary of the day so far it would be appreciated as something to bounce off

[KidAmn]

Thoughts, presented in stream of consciousness form. If I contradict something I say earlier in the post later on in the post - it's because I changed my mind as I read. Don't get your pantsu in a twist over it.

Okay thank you for this it was detailed well thoughout and I can understand where you're coming from and what you're trying to do I know I myself am seen as someone who is a easy ML for town and then what ends up happening if I live long enough people use the excuse of "Oh Maria is an easy ML as town so she must be scum who survived" It's a really shitty meta thing but that's not really important here I'm just doing filler because I'm with my friends having fun relaxing in a game so it's hard for me to sometimes understand how people can scumread me based on that I have a hard time not sring people I think should know when it's my town game but Ironically I tell people to not meta me I'm very hypocritical I play really well as scum on this site and awful as town but on my home site I do awful as scum and do well as town and I find that weird cause I don't think I play much dif between this site and my other site (you can ask Gerry or Cloud maybe they can tell) So it's hard to find a balance based on my play. I think this turned into a mini rant from me instead of trying to tell you why I'm not scum so I'll end it here

I dunno, this whole post feels really weird but might just be stemming from me not knowing Maria well (for well read at all) so v0v

Oh god CloudKicker is in this game. Please, dear god, no. (I'm at least 24% joking)

Someone engage me in convo I've skimmed through the thread n I kinda don't feel the need to comment on anything

thread kind of a boring read tbh

I mean there's that whole Maria mini-rant and several people commenting on it, I'd think there's something there to comment on.

also ive been thinking maybe we should stop talking about links post-early game

like scum have to make their kills in specific locations and if people seriously discuss who they link with then that can lead to scum figuring out ppl's location

Part of me agrees, part of me doesn't but also can't satisfactorily articulate why so fuck it we'll just say I agree for now until I can think over the uses/drawbacks of this

If my memory serves he normally acts normaler

Its because of my epicmefia friends <3

Its because of my epicmefia friends <3

epicmefia

P14-15 - what the fuck is even happening here.

tfw you get zero snow ayy

we on mariar? we on mariar.

VOTE: mariar

~coke

Fair. I hate earlygame.

VOTE: Mariar

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Clums you scums?
-Pepsiman (Ali)

"It's not scummy when

we

do it"

Yeah, I'm not voting until i see some reasoning. Then again, i amy have missed it, so quotes if you got 'em.

Sort of agree with this, sort of don't - RVS is over, so please start doing things but don't just hop on any old things because all the cool kids are

Please don't say things you don't really mean.. You're either scum or bias because of my scum game and it's really fucking annoying that I have towny reactions but people go like "Oh that was Towny but it's Maria so it can be scum"
Pedit: Fuck off

Kindly go away please before you make me more upset then I already am.

Are we still doing the Maria wagon? I didn't check so that it wouldn't affect my readthrough but holy shit this reaction to RT pressing on the reaction to the wagon is just... I dunno, combined with the earlier quote above I'd almost think Maria was pre-seeding this sort of "oh everyone thinks I'm the easy ML" defence.

*makes a superior AtE post*

*lurks more*

put the pitchforks down, I'm simply observing, it's totally pro-town for drealmer to lurk on D1, believe me I can meta-read him like no one else can

In a game where people are complaining about nothing happening (which until the Maria

thing

is true) someone thinks it's legit to shitpost about lurking... hm.

wouldn't wagon us if we were you

~coke

Mm, yes, well, that's all the convincing I needed ^/s

Yeah, I'm not voting until i see some reasoning. Then again, i amy have missed it, so quotes if you got 'em.

This post is ugly af choo choo

Cloud - care to take me through what you disliked here?

VOTE: Aelita

Aelita's posting feels awkward

I mean, you're not wrong - especially given that Aelita's only posts after this were

Hi

and

Anyone interested in linking with meh?

...like, there are two ways to react to having someone call out your posting, and spoilers - disappearing for 600 posts and offering no content whatsoever on your return isn't the pro-town way.

I don't know what's so weird about not wanting to vote someone who's L-3 less than 24 hours into D1, especially since I neither agree with the read nor have been provided any reasoning for the wagon.
Really the fact that she was at L-3 that early with almost no content to anyone's name is suspisious in and of itself, I just don't know who it makes me suspisious of. Cloud strikes me as overzealous town, so it's not him. Maria's reaction to the whole ordeal was bad, but she's emotional in general (based on the one game I played with someone i think is her), and the suspisiousness of the wagon makes me not scumread her for that.

Wagon speed doesn't really mean anything

Is there such a thing as too town to be town because I think this post from Bislawl could be it (note: this is not actual shade. I agree 100% with this post at this point)

Pepto is town this is a shit wagon constructed by scum to defend Alisae hydra.

VOTE: Alisae hydra

LOL tf

Cloud is scum here about 80% of the time as well

Dude you really dont have a clue about the game

VOTE: radiant lets see who get lunched first

VOTE: cloudkicker

It bothers me that Cloud is so attached to this wagon and so willing to OMGUS over this... and then randomidget hops on in RT's... defence? Or just thinking the same things I am right now?

Seems like my wagon went away over night for some reason

*INSERT WARNING KLAXON FROM OG STAR TREK HERE* Holy shit Maria this is throwing up so many warning signs I almost believe that you genuinely don't realise how scummy this statement looks

VOTE: BTD6

Vifam claimed Miller. Please confirm.

I get that this

looks

like scumhunting/working towards something but it's not and I don't see an angle that a town player comes to this point from

If I had any I'd be pushing them or asking them questions

500 posts in, 0 reads

Ooooookay then

The first thing that strikes me as notable is Pepsiman and Coke's bending of the rules by spamming.

The reason for this spamming is for the "Lost in the data stream" ability. Now, they ostensibly did this in order to post their reads after their death. However, they will flip after death anyway. Thus, if they are scum, the only use for this ability is probably to send private tactics (who to push etc.) to their partners. There is no point in telling the partners who is scum, as the partners already know. Thus I would say that this loophole use is unlikely to come from scum, as scum are probably less likely to spontaneously decide to do this which is useless to them. It is theoretically possible that scum did it to fake a Town thought process but this is less likely than Pepsiman and Coke being Town.

Pepsiman and Coke are currently a weak Townread for this.

On the other hand, since someone had already done it, it is probably much easier for scum RadiantTroubadour to fake doing the same thing, perhaps realising that it makes Pepsiman and Coke look Town. This is much weaker than Pepsiman and Coke, though. Radiant Troubadour is currently null-weak scum.

Being the first person to think of thing = townlean, being the second person to think of thing = scumlean? Doesn't make much sense to me, though I'm personally disinclined to attribute breaking the setup to either alignment.

Okay, this game is going nowhere unless we post, so...

VOTE: The Bulge

Why are you town and who do you think is scum?

While I'm generally in favour of pressuring lurkers, I don't think D1 of a game this big is the place for grandstanding around making sure how town everyone knows you are for pushing those gosh darn lurkers

... Can no one tell I am hunting lurkers?

Hunting lurkers. Not hunting scum. Not engaging with the ongoing discussions. Hunting lurkers. I agree with RC on this (as of 599 at least, things might have changed later) - I don't see this as town at all.

P25/26 - Don't like Dreamerzlzwtfbbq's side of this argument at all. Lots of vague shade and dodging around various call outs from RC, refuses to commit to a vote on anyone but keeps pushing back, keeps looking for the reaction.

I don't really have anything to add at the moment so i'll just conferm that i agree with the pepsiman wagon and am leaving my RVS vote on them deliberatly.

I'm not convinced on dreal yet, still null to me.

JESUS CHRIST FOR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING TO SAY YOU'RE ALL TAKING AN AWFUL LOT OF POSTS TO NOT FUCKING SAY IT.

Okay that's halfwayish, feel free to ask questions, will answer them to the best of my ability via phone-posting at work, and will plough through the 2nd half of the read-through tomorrow after work and Friday Night Magic

TL;DR of my thoughts on the first 26 pages:
Way too much shitposting
Don't like the way Maria seeded the whole "everyone SRs me oh I'm always such an easy ML" defence and then proceeds to use it as soon as any pressure comes towards them
Way too many people are coasting and/or just straight up not posting and that needs to change (but not at the expense of actual scumhunting, as I've mentioned above there are a couple of people "going for the lurkers" instead of providing meaningful content) - If people could also articulate thoughts in 1 post instead of spreading a paragraph over 5 posts that would be A-OK with me please and thank you
After first 26 pages main SRs are in no particular order as yet: Maria, Dreamer, Rautherdir, P&C (subject to change across the next 25 pages)
TRs are harder to commit to right now mostly because these first pages include a lot of shitposts, if pressed would probably say RT/Pepto/BTD but less confident on these
If I didn't say your name in those last 2 sentences you're either null because I can't read you or null because I literally can't read you because you aren't posting enough in which case wake the fuck up

[KidAmn]

actually can we not hammer until cloud posts like final reads and stuff

cloud is like town 100% of the time here drealmerz

Hi I am also in the middle of finishing my readthrough so if we could also wait some more so I can actually post it today that would be nice

FWIW I'm at like page 43 and I endorse the Pepsiman wagon

MAJOR FUCKING CAVEAT FOLLOWS

thus far

but please a) wait and b) do not interpret this as a declaration of intent to hammer as yet

[KidAmn]

RT, you learn nothing from lurker lynches on D1 and there's plenty of content to find something scumworth to vote for - you are just trying to see what you can push that has some "go" to it, scum!

my god

first of all i'm not even voting you i was pressuring you - my top scumread is the person i'm voting for

second no one is lynching you because you're lurking literally all of your posts have been scummy - if you want to change that do something town

also you're being wagonned not lynched the day is still young and a fuckton of slots havent posted readable content

I haven't done anything that looks like anything, and there is no "what looks like my town play!", and you haven't played nearly enough games to even pretend to say that, CK, eesh

I was getting to voting, was giving a little more time to see if more ppl voted or what went on with some slots but, eeeesh, you're so eager

VOTE: RadiantTroubadour

leon, they haven't been putting in good work! scum is more likely to put in the sort of effort they've been putting in, and it definitely feels more like that than helpful town, by a lot (to me, obviously)

Good post, followed by a bad reaction.

Would peopel riot if I said I liked dreal's vote.
Because tbh I do.
-Pepsiman (Ali)

...for real? If you like it, why aren't you on it?

so, 2 factions? harmony was a more basic pre-cursor to this? probably!

oh, giggles, you make me laugh

I really really dislike anyone throwing multiball aspersions out there on D1 before we have -ANY- information that would suggest that.

its part of the double wifom, i have to manipulate mariar into thinking i wouldnt say those thing as mefia you know

are you a jester?

nah, if i wanted to be lynched i would scumtell

VOTE: CloudKicker

Game is way out of RVS by now, no excuse for this play.

Pepto push seems to be on an easy mislynch rather than scum.

Me is right. Me is smart. Me is important. (or is it "was"? This is all very confusing - but Leon is right)

Question for the two of you: Do you think we have two different scum factions with opposing wincons? Two scum factions who share a wincon but don't have communication with each other? Or just one faction with no communication right now? Cause right now something isn't adding up and I think I can guess what it is...

Oh look someone else throwing out multiball aspersions with no flips or associatives or kill numbers to back it up

Leon get off Cloudie
/me pouts.
-Pepsiman (Ali)

CLOUDIE HE DID A THINGY!
-Pepsiman (Ali)

Why do you TR him?

he's by gut conftown read.
-Pepsiman (Ali)

You can claim masons with him and I'll still end up lynching the pair of you, just like I tried to do in Marquis's game. they are scum they are dying no one in this game takes you seriously.

well we are so fuck you

btw screaming @everyone to lynch your scumreads because you are a scumhunting g o d and if they don't have the same reads as you they fundamentally suck as a mafia player is not "good play" (yes even if you consistently catch scum)

~coke

HEY, now I know what everyone's talking about right now! Awesome! How easily this claim came up after some pressure from RT is weird af though.

McMenno what have you tried to solve this game?

Given that I literally don't remember any of your posts at this point in my readthrough (and looking at your ISO you've been cheerfully prod-dodging along with the absolute bare minimum) I could ask you the same here

why precisely do you want me tho

i kinda tr radiabadour/raut and dreal in a lessaer extent, i want pep or zach. PEP is like insanely a better lynch than dreal, dreal is one of the easiest slot to sort

What are your reasons for either Pep or Zach?

scummy

The fuck is this, Cloudkicker? Wait, don't answer, I can answer this for you by making you answer it in the past - it's

scummy

voting someone to produce content is a horribly unuseful tool, actually, and more what it does is dull the power/lessen the weight of the vote

ppl throw their votes around waaayyyyyyy too much, you should only vote for who you are comfortable lynching, ever, imo

...This is just so transparently

wrong

that it hurts

Also only reason I'm not voting pepto is cause his lynch will bring us nothing.

So is this, especially in light of the whole mason claim

thing

gerry im kinda looking forward to have established troll meta onsite so i can troll my way out of any situation like on em

This isn't EM.

Yea people on this site are even nerdier

gerry im kinda looking forward to have established troll meta onsite so i can troll my way out of any situation like on em

LOL SAME

holy fuck vig please break the rules of time and space and shoot both these nerds tonight

Zach don't come outta nowhere and start asking questions. That's what scum does

I tend to ask questions if maybe answers are something I'm interested in at some point during the proceedings

yeah, I'm weird like that

I mean, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck or similar species. Basically what I'm trying to say here is you look an awful lot like someone doing their best to fly under the radar D1.

Alrighty first thing's first.

Pepsiman and Cloudkicker are NOT masons.

We share a neighbourhood. During pre-game, ck misunderstood his role and believed it to be a masonry. After the mod clarified, alisae started appealing to ck, calling him "literally conftown". When ck was unreceptive to the coddling, alisae immediately suggested a mason fakeclaim.

One post in particular from alisae gave me very very similar vibes to 361, ie a forced all caps "OMGGGGGG WHYYY", after someone in the neighbourhood revealed part of their role.

Leon get off Cloudie
/me pouts.
-Pepsiman (Ali)

Ck expressed concern about this post in the pt, as this was before any serious plans to fakeclaim were made.

Enter me. My first post in the pt was a question about why neighbourhoods are considered anything but anti-town, especially if the assumption is made that there is scum lurking (who does posting in the neighbourhood benefit except scumneighbours sitting around soaking in juicy private townspeak?). Rather than answer my question, alisae replied with something about the benefits of treating a neighbourhood like a masonry, ignoring my concerns and

completely contradicting earlier statements alisae himself made about being wary of possible scumneighbours

. I restated my question in my next post, and alisae immediately townread me for having "genuine concerns", and then went on to list why he townread everyone else in the neighbourhood.

Once again, dodging my question entirely

. Keep in mind also that each of these posts were within 3 minutes of mine, and alisae had me marked as town-enough-to-trust-as-if-a-mason-partner after I had made literally only those two posts (my only main thread posts at the time were the first two of my ISO).

It's hard to present a convincing case because my read is 99% based on PT interactions and I cant quote them but if you had your vote on pepsi before the fakeclaim pls help me lynch this

BIGLY IF TRUE (nah but seriously this is the most town-oriented post of D1 so far in my readthrough, A+++ Gold Star Will Put My Mouth On Private Places If You're Down With That It's Cool If You're Not Though Because Consent Is Important

cloud is town. bulge is town and bad. vote dreal and then clumsy day 1 and then 2.

@Bulge youre a sack of shit, you had no reason to out that when i clearly townsliped so hard in that pt believing we were 4 masons, the fuck is wrong with you

Me too. buldge is bad town tho. its ok

This whole little interaction is super weird but I'm hesitant to call two morons flirting with each other scummy

BULGE IS SCUM HERE 20000000000000000000000000000000000% OF THE TIME AND ANYONE WHO STANDS ME IS SIGNING A PAPER THAT I WILL LITERALLY MAIL TO YOUR HOUSE TO CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE A MAFIA DUMMY AND IF YOU EVER FIGHT ME IN A FUTURE GAME I WILL POST A FUCKING SCREENSHOT OF YOUR SIGNATURE TO THE THREAD

Wait what

VOTE: aelita

cloud i am genuinely sorry if you feel like your game is ruined. I misunderstood the early pt posts and couldnt ignore the heavy scumdar pings from alisae and that's all that made sense to me.

Right now I'm just sorta flabbergasted that pepsiman is town

Wait Aelita is in this game? *checks ISO* Oh wait, she's only in this game in name only. Because again, doing the bare minimum to avoid prodding, zero content, just asking for links.

please bulge do not under any circumstance say other stuff in that pt since i leaked tons of stuff because i thought it was a masonry

I don't see why town!Cloud who thinks he's in a nborhood with scum!Bulge thinks this is a necessary or useful post to make. If Bulge is scum, and the wagon progresses from here to a lynch, Bulge presumably hits the Big Red Fuck You Button and posts it regardless. Anyone with a brain would assume that that information is at bare minimum available to scum, right?

I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT

THIS WAS ALL A REACTION TEST ORCHESTRATED BY ME AND CLOUDKICKER YALL JUST GOT PLAYED

PEDIT. but im his only townread besides the masons?

IT WAS JUST A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT BRAAAAAH yeah nah get the fuck outta here

Alisae is "only" heavily hinted to be town, like extremely hinted to be town and i personnaly believe he is town by their plays, rxns and other stuff but ""officially"" they arent mod confirmed to me in fact

Whoah whoah whoah whoah. Hold up.

It's a neighborhood big woop Cloud is town I don't tr Alisae and I'll vote it and maybe clum *Shrug* but this has more voyes

ALISAE IS LITERRALY, MOD CONFIRMED TOWN TO ME

You don't know what a neighborhood is do you.

ALISAE ALIGNEMENT IS IN MY MOTHER FUCKING ROLE PM MARIAR, HOW CAN I BE CLEARER

only alisae is mod conf to me, then when i joined my special pt 4 person showed up so i assumed a masonry then i asked the mod and he clarified only alisae is conf town

Oh man. I mean, I have to just fucking laugh at this point because... wow. What a shit show. I would say "lynch all liars" but I don't think you're lying about Alisae's alignment being in your role PM somehow.

Anyone interested in linking with meh?

Maybe if you POSTED ANY ACTUAL CONTENT AND REMEMBER THAT THIS POST LITERALLY COMES AFTER THE ABOVE FLUSTERCUCK OF THE LAST FEW PAGES

Oh you know what.
Fuck this.
Me and Cloudie have abilities in our role PMs which involve us working together.
We have to litterally use our action on the same person for our ability to work.
-Pepsiman (Ali)

Not necessarily alignment indicative, really weird part-hard claim, and this is your response to all of the previous shenanigans? Meeeeeeh not feeling it.

Not gonna quote 1197 (Bulge) because it's yuuuuge but it screams town to me

Cloud 1203-1207 - I struggle to read cloud, but this is veeeery evocative of his scum meta IMO.

I'm just sharing thoughts and possibilities

that's healthy

CK, STOP talking about towntells and scumtells, they DON'T EVEN EXIST holyshit

you can READ something as a towntell, but there aren't established 'towntells' and 'scumslips' - if there were, well, the game would be lame

Theres no reason why you brought up me and gerry neihborizing to make a case that we are both scum again, please explain me in details how was it relevant in any way

did you read the fucking post??!?!?! like, you just want me to repeat myself or you don't understand why I said that or??!?!?! like, reading comprehension people, seriously

you arent this bitchy when youre town

im doubting that you have ever played with this man before

Speaking of people who weirdly have no response to the last 10 pages of bullshit but feel qualified to chime in here (mid-post edit - and just jumped on the Pepsi wagon - HMMMM.)

VOTE: No Lynch
I'm 99% certain that any successful lynch today will be on town. Let's just pass it to night and give each other a few good days to calm down and rethink. What happens during the night should help us figure out this game better anyways.

Fuck this slot. Like, I'm sure you're a lovely person and this isn't aimed at you as a person, but as a Mafia player? (Although I think this is just a stupid idea rather than a scummy idea necessarily, it's telling that this a) comes as the Pepsiman wagon begins to approach the DANGER ZONE and b) instantly gets a response from Pepsiman who went silent for a few pages beforehand)

Aaaaand I'm up to the point where I joined the game, thanks for joining me on this absolute shitfest of a ride/readthrough

hard SRs: Pepsiman (and now officially

declaring intent to hammer

), Cloud(predicated on the assumption PM&C are scum but as noted above strong meta read), Rauth (No Lynch Vote, followed by hard distancing from PM&C)
Scumleans: Aelita, Zach (both for lack of content D1/failure to engage with the gamestate - Zach is stronger for his failure to engage combined with hopping on the PM&C wagon to put it at L-1 without comment)
Townleans: Dreal, MariaR (inb4 RT gets mad but I

don't

know Maria and I know I've done the "this game sucks ur all mean I want out" thing before as scum)
hard TRs: RT, Pepto, Bulge

If you're not on the list you're null right now.

Let's do this shit.

[KidAmn]

Also hey RT wanna

jack in

tonight *wonk*

[KidAmn]

Also hey RT wanna

jack in

tonight *wonk*

yeah sounds cool

i kinda forgot how linking works though who sends the invite because maria also wants us

Also I think cloud is town here if Pepsi is scum considering two scum lovers makes absolutely no sense considering that they're being bussed here if scum... Did you miss that part of the claim? How did drealmerz become a townlean for you?

also kid pepsi's at l-2

Oh, so they are. I will withhold my vote until we get the aforementioned posting from Cloud anyway, but the intent is still there.

And my understanding is we both send it.

[KidAmn]

I believe RT is assuming that the lovers pair is differently aligned to each other. I don't know enough about setups here to agree or disagree with that.

PEdit - Yeah, or it's a very weird setup/the claim is more fake than it has been for most of the day.

[KidAmn]

It was my understanding we were giving Cloud a chance to talk. We have 6 days left, no need to rush anything just yet.

[KidAmn]

he wont talk, he clearly stated his intentions. now vote maria or clumsy

Yeah, let me get right on voting 2 people I don't SR

[KidAmn]

K.

Vote: Pepsiman

[KidAmn]

im inclined to agree with cloud on kidamn being scummy

I look forward to you going into detail on why this is, other than the fact that I have you as null-leaning-scum and pointed out your lack of activity today.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Pepsiman and Coke

Lynch minus one

im inclined to agree with cloud on kidamn being scummy

[KidAmn]

im inclined to agree with cloud on kidamn being scummy

I look forward to you going into detail on why this is, other than the fact that I have you as null-leaning-scum and pointed out your lack of activity today.

How his your read on him relevant that you scumtlold into oblivion?

Please, oh wise one, do inform me just how I "scumtlold". I came to MS to learn from such masters of the keyboard as yourself.

And it's relevant because he gives no reason other than "i agree with Cloud", and your reasons are frankly empty waffle "feels fake" and "tone is fake" and assuming I don't have a meta read on you without completing a game with you (because there's no way I could, say, read your previous games here, right? Such as Mini Normal 1843, where you introduced yourself with the gem "-Be aware that i lie, i troll, i bait people all the time into giving me reactions so i can read them and i can also be abrasive at time." before winning as scum)

But I digress - right now, the question I'm asking myself is "is Zachstralkita just OMGUSing, or is something else going on here?" which he needs to answer.

[KidAmn]

Also im pretty sure your bullshitting and you went reading my games after i called you out on your bullshit meta read, do you have the habit to read past game of everyone on the table ? why would you have read me? Why didnt you say that you read my past games when you outed your meta read ?

Its obvious that you read my games after your fake meta read

Actually, I do make a habit of reading people whose posting style or style of playing Mafia in general makes them hard to read, which I think most people would agree is an umbrella you fall firmly under. Don't have many finished games to point to, but you can see I did it here on Creature as town in Open 674, as he tends to single sentence/less verbose posts that require a bit of prodding to get more reasoning out of:

Far too many people coasting along not posting at all right now. F.E.C.'s complete lack of any content and then suddenly 4 posts in a row attacking Aubrey and Creature is all kinds of weird and feels a lot like someone maintaining the absolute minimum required to stay in the game - whether or not that's "scummy" is hard to say, but it's an incredibly anti-town way to play (and yes, there is a difference between "anti-town" and "scummy".

Similarly something feels off to me about Creature - the rather blasé nature of their posting, throwing out town and scum-reads with little to no reasoning (looking at their ISO, their longest post is a whole 3 lines?)... it just comes across as the opposite of "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" - and certainly not a tale told by an idiot. It's deliberate and I dislike it, but unfortunately it matches up with looking at their posting in a couple of other games I've looked at.

Having Allomancer as one of their scumreads despite them being so inactive they've picked up a prod also feels lazy as hell, as if they're covering themselves by saying "I had a scumread on Allomancer" for if/when a "fuck it, get rid of these lurkers" wagon happens.

Look at that crap. You know I didn't buddy in our last game as scum.

There are also other things I can't discuss currently that lead me to believe you're playing to your scum meta at this point in time, but I think I've made my point enough here. Do you have anything else other than "feels" and "FAKE

NEWS

META" you'd like to say?

[KidAmn]

I can't tell if Kid is bad town or mafia. but we have time to figure that out.

Y'know, it's funny, I was thinking the same about you briefly.

[KidAmn]

...you need a cough sweet?

[KidAmn]

im inclined to agree with cloud on kidamn being scummy

I look forward to you going into detail on why this is, other than the fact that I have you as null-leaning-scum and pointed out your lack of activity today.

I fail to see what these things you mentioned have to do with anything bud


You actually think I'm OMGUSing lol

Well, "bud", where I come from people actually give reasons for why they think people are scum, instead of yelling "what he said!" while doing the absolute bare minimum to remain in this game.

[KidAmn]

im inclined to agree with cloud on kidamn being scummy

I look forward to you going into detail on why this is, other than the fact that I have you as null-leaning-scum and pointed out your lack of activity today.

I fail to see what these things you mentioned have to do with anything bud


You actually think I'm OMGUSing lol

Well, "bud", where I come from people actually give reasons for why they think people are scum, instead of yelling "what he said!" while doing the absolute bare minimum to remain in this game.

I'm asking if you actually believe what you're saying, why do I need to go out of my way if I'm already lurking to call you out needlessly when you don't even have a scum read on me? You have a scum LEAN. Knowing this, there would have to be some sort of motivation for me to just pop in here and say something.

I mainly had an issue with your other scum leans too - I think they're all surface level reasons and made up far too easily. Your tone strikes me as not genuinely trying to solve.

Your responses to people are great - you tend to naturally attempt to discredit someone if they're in opposition to you.

That's more like it. Welcome to the game.

As for your problems with my tone, well, I can't really argue against that as I don't have the weight of completed games others here do. I can only assure you I am trying to hunt scum, and this is how I do it. Seems like most people find my approach rather odd though.

[KidAmn]

Yours

[KidAmn]

yeah uh hopefully if thats a vig shot they claim and rauth streams his roleblock target to the main thread? kind of a weird scumkill unless they figured the push for an nl was a pr-tell or something but yeah that was a horrendous vig if vig. if thats the scumkill then lol

anyway we're probably voting in {Maria, Drealmerz, Clumsy} today. maria is probably the only scum candidate off the wagon tbh (i guess pine is an option but he's a completely null lurker)

VOTE: Drealmerz

his vote on P&C was always the worst imo since a lover policy lynch makes 0 sense as does the assumption we were bussing

still floored about the flip btw p&c played like obvsvum

Couple of questions: why bring up the possibility that was a Vig kill with only one kill last night; and why are those 3 people the ones you want to lock us onto for today? Not necessarily disagreeing, just interested in the thought-process (I assume that's the RC head talking, and that this is the consensus both of you came to).

[KidAmn]

VOTE: KidAmn

I feel comfortable with this. Will expound on today.

Looking forward to it.

[KidAmn]

Tbh, I'm a little... concerned about RT myself. Mostly because after agreeing to link with me and establishing said link last night, they didn't follow me into VR to make use of it. So unless something about their townread on me changed dramatically in the last few pages of D1 (in which case, why go through with the link last night?), I kinda have to wonder why they would make the link, but not put themselves in a position to use it. It also lines up with the fact that Rauth "died fully" which if I understand the mechanics of RL/VR correctly, means the scum were also in meatspace to kill him.

first i think rauth is a ridiculous scumkill but

why look for arbitrary reasons to scumread someone based off of nka (which isnt even like clear-cut nka) instead of our iso/what we've done? or do you also have reasons there too?

I dunno about everyone else but the fact you don't sign your posts off based on which head is posting makes getting a solid read on you tricky. That said, you did kind of flail around on several different wagons before settling on Pepsiman - which was, for the record, 100% a reasonable lynch given how Cloud/Pepsi approached their role, and I hope Cloud is raging away in a dead thread somewhere. In the latter half of the day your vote was on Pepto, Dreal, Bulge and Maria, and you were already setting up your next targets. Now today, you're trying to get town to speculate on a vig and scum nokilling/being blocked, asking Rauth to data stream his target (which unless he has single posts mentioning each player would be tricky)...

I'm in a pretty shit place right now after all 3 of my SRs flipped town, so I'm re-evaluating a lot here.

PEdit:

is a town roleblocker really worth n1'ing....

if we were scum i'm honestly not sure who i'd nk. drealmerz definitely not though since he's easy to discredit

yeah uh hopefully if thats a vig shot they claim and rauth streams his roleblock target to the main thread? kind of a weird scumkill unless they figured the push for an nl was a pr-tell or something but yeah that was a horrendous vig if vig. if thats the scumkill then lol

anyway we're probably voting in {Maria, Drealmerz, Clumsy} today. maria is probably the only scum candidate off the wagon tbh (i guess pine is an option but he's a completely null lurker)

VOTE: Drealmerz

his vote on P&C was always the worst imo since a lover policy lynch makes 0 sense as does the assumption we were bussing

still floored about the flip btw p&c played like obvsvum

[KidAmn]

In one scum game he claimed some neutral shit.
In one scum game he claimed some weird ass vig hybrid that couldn't do shit and I don't know if he fear killed me or what as the mafia PT is locked but yeah.

Drealmerz is also more yelly in his scum games and as Town reserved. To me reading Drealmerz is easy.

He's yelled in a good 80% of his town games I've had with him


His behavior fluctuates so I don't really bother to meta read him

After my metaread is wrong is when I will quit doing so.

Who are you scumreading?

*begs shamelessly for reads*

You too KidAmn.

Like I said, I'm somewhat at a loss right now. Let's say for now I'm least confident in RT as town. Still waiting to hear what Zach has to say about me but sketchy about him flying under the radar D1 and not really getting involved until the PM&C lynch was 99% locked in.

[KidAmn]

yeah uh hopefully if thats a vig shot they claim and rauth streams his roleblock target to the main thread? kind of a weird scumkill unless they figured the push for an nl was a pr-tell or something but yeah that was a horrendous vig if vig. if thats the scumkill then lol

anyway we're probably voting in {Maria, Drealmerz, Clumsy} today. maria is probably the only scum candidate off the wagon tbh (i guess pine is an option but he's a completely null lurker)

VOTE: Drealmerz

his vote on P&C was always the worst imo since a lover policy lynch makes 0 sense as does the assumption we were bussing

still floored about the flip btw p&c played like obvsvum

yeah i'm stumped too

math i'll follow you on your drealmerz tr for today so:

VOTE: MariaR

fine with this too

i'll double check the mechanics for the message though so we can figure out the context

Also shocking that Rauth wasn't lynched by RT hydra either. This is weird. I wish Rauth picked a clearer post.

I was townreading Rauth why would we want to lynch him

I"m vetoing this.

let's lynch clumsy

VOTE: clumsy

See now I'm conflicted

Because town RC doesn't do this, town RC tunnels HARD on the person he thinks is the good lynch, and here he's switched around 3 times in ~4 pages... but then there's another head to think about?

And that Rauth post really could be read as Rauth pointing at RT defending Maria, or as Rauth saying RT's right...

Fuck it, I'm going with my gut here, something feels off about RT

Vote: RadiantTroubadour

PEdit:

We didn't "follow through" because I've been strongly town reading Gerry??

I could easily buy Gerry scum too and just the entire scum team hard defending each other here. Alisae is going to get lynched.

Gerry/Bulge seems like a really strong scumteam possibility atm.

No, there's other reactions that I don't like, Gerryoat's being first and foremost.

Like this is an immense shift in the gamestate and you should have some actual thoughts about it rather than just apologizing and trying to defend my scumread on Gerryoat

Maria is blatantly town
I'm not sure about Gerry

I feel like Clumsy and Alisaehydra are both scum

Gerry if you keep pushing Maria I will lynch you for the sake of not having to deal with it anymore

Pepsi is basically mod confirmed scum.

Gerry I will policy lynch you tomorrow if you don't shut the fuck up and get out of my way. There's too much scum motivation in repeatedly distracting from the Aliyhydra lynch with your bullshit.

K so I need to negotiate this with hydra head obviously but I think it's pretty obvious that gerry is scumpartnered with Alihydra, Cloud is town, and Gerry is distracting to keep Alihydra alive.

Currently my feeling towards this game is that no lynch today serves town wincon better than lynching you Gerry regardless of alignment.

Yeah, now I'm fucking sure of it

[KidAmn]

clumsy is the only person that I have voted today kidamn. the rest of the votes are from RT and I disagree with them but I am not going to strongarm the hydra vote when I fucked up on Alisae.

Kid that's called hydra dissonance

(this is the giga head so I'll let rc answer)

I'm gonna be honest, I 100% do not buy and will never purchase even for a single shiny cent that every single post scumreading Gerry came from one head and every single post townreading him came from the other.

[KidAmn]

clumsy is the only person that I have voted today kidamn. the rest of the votes are from RT and I disagree with them but I am not going to strongarm the hydra vote when I fucked up on Alisae.

Kid that's called hydra dissonance

(this is the giga head so I'll let rc answer)

I'm gonna be honest, I 100% do not buy and will never purchase even for a single shiny cent that every single post scumreading Gerry came from one head and every single post townreading him came from the other.

uhh you should because we spent half of our posts in hydra PT arguing about whether gerry was scum or town.
unless you think that most cunning manipulator RC is too bad at the game to keep our positions straight in thread?

So, I just want to be 100% clear about this - you're saying that both heads had different positions, and that these 3 posts

Pepsi is basically mod confirmed scum.

Gerry I will policy lynch you tomorrow if you don't shut the fuck up and get out of my way. There's too much scum motivation in repeatedly distracting from the Aliyhydra lynch with your bullshit.

K so I need to negotiate this with hydra head obviously but I think it's pretty obvious that gerry is scumpartnered with Alihydra, Cloud is town, and Gerry is distracting to keep Alihydra alive.

Currently my feeling towards this game is that no lynch today serves town wincon better than lynching you Gerry regardless of alignment.

with 2 different posting styles (one that refers to PM&C as Pepsi, one that refers to them as Alihydra) are consistent with one head townreading Gerry and the other head scumreading him? That is the argument you are advancing here?

[KidAmn]

Kid let's assume that my RT scumread is wrong for which my blue eyes will cry tears of pain.

There is nothing lost by having the reads as it helps us further along as RC and Giga when Town have good reads.

In the case they are scum then we have a reads list they tried to cobble together from the thread that makes sense while preserving their interests. We also get to see where they have MariaR and a couple other slots I am interested in.

This can help remove dissonance and make them unified which can be a help or it exposes that they are scum.

Win win the more they talk. This is why I usually tunnel or pressure people the more a subject is avoided the more I tunnel it.

RT is talking. Let them talk.

...how am I stopping them from talking? I can't exactly ban them from the thread. Like... this is a really weird post to make if you're not just distancing from someone.

[KidAmn]

Kid let's assume that my RT scumread is wrong for which my blue eyes will cry tears of pain.

There is nothing lost by having the reads as it helps us further along as RC and Giga when Town have good reads.

In the case they are scum then we have a reads list they tried to cobble together from the thread that makes sense while preserving their interests. We also get to see where they have MariaR and a couple other slots I am interested in.

This can help remove dissonance and make them unified which can be a help or it exposes that they are scum.

Win win the more they talk. This is why I usually tunnel or pressure people the more a subject is avoided the more I tunnel it.

RT is talking. Let them talk.

VOTE: MathBlade

fuck you I'm done here

Math replace out or I'm leaving. I refuse to play this game with you. I asked you politely not to replace into my games and I was enjoying this game until you entered it.

[KidAmn]

I'm sorry I just... Math tries to push me off RT for some reason and their reaction (presumably RC) is to tell him to fuck off

This is goddamn comedy gold

PEdit:


This just in - saying you don't believe something = "you want to hear nothing else from the slot"

Seriously Math show me where I said anything to that effect

Do it, I'm waiting

[KidAmn]

I am also a them Kid please.

Shit my bad, sorry bro (is bro okay? I tend to use it for any gender if not my bad AGAIN)

clumsy is the only person that I have voted today kidamn. the rest of the votes are from RT and I disagree with them but I am not going to strongarm the hydra vote when I fucked up on Alisae.

Kid that's called hydra dissonance

(this is the giga head so I'll let rc answer)

I'm gonna be honest, I 100% do not buy and will never purchase even for a single shiny cent that every single post scumreading Gerry came from one head and every single post townreading him came from the other.

This post here.

It says you don't buy RT's argument.

That is closed off language showing you don't believe anything they say.

It means you don't want to hear from the slot.

I think you're reading more into that than I put into it if that makes sense? That's not "I will never listen to your slot again" (I don't do that, it's not productive) it's "I don't buy that one specific thing you are saying".

Giga: if you "get" the SRs on Clumsy, is there any particular reason you won't give more than a "v0v" on him? And could you go more into why you think PM&C/CK vs Maria was a 1v1?

[KidAmn]

Congrats you just misrepped me

I am trusting MB's read on you

no, that's called a misunderstanding, I thought you were saying I was tentatively trusting MB's read on you

*hug*

And Math - duly noted, will avoid it then.

[KidAmn]

I might be. It was a snap judgment but if you are calling a slot a 100% liar that is generally only implied scum do it. Unless you think the hydra is gaslighting itself? I don't think so but it is more trying to understand your thought process.

See what I am hoping to do is take what Giga gives me on the RC head and see if only one person ever pinged me. If only one did I unvote and vote MariaR. The harder it is to get reads the more likely it is the hydra is scum.

I originally was going to open with a vote on MariaR but the RT vote let me explore my scum read with pressure behind it and I am getting much more convinced the slot is scum.

I think the hydra is... a lot more divided than I thought. They still don't feel totally right with me, and this

I don't even know who I'm voting if anyone
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Clum

makes me think a Maria lynch isn't incorrect here either, especially as they've been plenty active elsewhere and I'm beginning to think that's very much as intended by the scumteam.

unvote;
Vote: MariaR

[KidAmn]

fuck so

i cant link w anyone else unless kid dies ok thats what i thought

sorry i havent been on top of anything recently

We can bring other nonlinked players into the link, but not other links.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Clum

Do you really have nothing whatsoever to say?

[KidAmn]

That explains why Gerry's reads are shit. He doesn't read.

yes. the 2 people that i called obvs town yesterday are both confirmed town and my reads are shit l0l

gerry you say this is so many fucking games

IF YOU WERE SCUM YOU'D KNOW THEY WERE TOWN, DUH

this defense of yourself does nothing when it is as flat as you make it

I'd vote gerry over maria right now

Hi. You're voting me. You promised a case. I'm still waiting.

That explains why Gerry's reads are shit. He doesn't read.

yes. the 2 people that i called obvs town yesterday are both confirmed town and my reads are shit l0l

gerry you say this is so many fucking games

IF YOU WERE SCUM YOU'D KNOW THEY WERE TOWN, DUH

this defense of yourself does nothing when it is as flat as you make it

I'd vote gerry over maria right now

Dreal....

Any argument can be made to look that way. I can make your push if gerry look flat.

MariaR is the lynch today. Or RT.

Out of interest, why not Clumsy? FWIW I think the Maria/Clumsy interaction looks much worse for both sides of that, than RT does for RC having a (justified) freakout about you.

[KidAmn]

TODAY ON "KID SUCKS AT BASIC FORUM POSTING"

That explains why Gerry's reads are shit. He doesn't read.

yes. the 2 people that i called obvs town yesterday are both confirmed town and my reads are shit l0l

gerry you say this is so many fucking games

IF YOU WERE SCUM YOU'D KNOW THEY WERE TOWN, DUH

this defense of yourself does nothing when it is as flat as you make it

I'd vote gerry over maria right now

Hi. You're voting me. You promised a case. I'm still waiting.

That explains why Gerry's reads are shit. He doesn't read.

yes. the 2 people that i called obvs town yesterday are both confirmed town and my reads are shit l0l

gerry you say this is so many fucking games

IF YOU WERE SCUM YOU'D KNOW THEY WERE TOWN, DUH

this defense of yourself does nothing when it is as flat as you make it

I'd vote gerry over maria right now

Dreal....

Any argument can be made to look that way. I can make your push if gerry look flat.

MariaR is the lynch today. Or RT.

Out of interest, why not Clumsy? FWIW I think the Maria/Clumsy interaction looks much worse for both sides of that, than RT does for RC having a (justified) freakout about you.

[KidAmn]

I'm so fucking done with this shit holy shit fuckballs

That explains why Gerry's reads are shit. He doesn't read.

yes. the 2 people that i called obvs town yesterday are both confirmed town and my reads are shit l0l

gerry you say this is so many fucking games

IF YOU WERE SCUM YOU'D KNOW THEY WERE TOWN, DUH

this defense of yourself does nothing when it is as flat as you make it

I'd vote gerry over maria right now

I feel like you're way too smart to act like this when you say these sorts of things

You. Case. Now.

That explains why Gerry's reads are shit. He doesn't read.

yes. the 2 people that i called obvs town yesterday are both confirmed town and my reads are shit l0l

gerry you say this is so many fucking games

IF YOU WERE SCUM YOU'D KNOW THEY WERE TOWN, DUH

this defense of yourself does nothing when it is as flat as you make it

I'd vote gerry over maria right now

Dreal....

Any argument can be made to look that way. I can make your push if gerry look flat.

MariaR is the lynch today. Or RT.

You. Why no Clumsy. Me like Maria/Clumsy less than RT. Explain.

mod please purge my shame

[KidAmn]

alright we got there

[KidAmn]

And RT because blue puppy eyes

...are you serious?

Because MariaR has a defined tell which I outed and arguments for Clumsy scum rely on a bus so then MariaR has to be scum for Clumsy in those arguments to be but MariaR Clumsy Town can be a thing.

KidAmn read is now null scumlean
Gerryoat town lean.

[KidAmn]

That being said I think we should lynch MariaR today.

Cool, well now that Civ Mafia is over I can openly say I have zero confidence in your reads after you literally lead town off a cliff. Plus, you're scumleaning me for pushing the Maria wagon... And now you're on it.

unvote

Mod: V/LA for a couple of days due to Persona 5

[KidAmn]

1) Yes my reads sucked that game except on MariaR and LeonShade and Beeboy
2) I'm not leading this game. I'm active and posting things and seeing how people respond to those things.
3) I think you're bussing.

4 and most importantly) Enjoy Persona 5. Persona 4 was amazing. Naoto...<3

Your reads are shit here too if you think I'm bussing. Not like I'm posting in code or something here, I literally said I doubted both Maria and rt, but gigs at least offered a reason to give them some trust for now which is more than Maria.

[KidAmn]

I don't care about you admitting your mistakes when you continually make them. the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting it to work.

you continually treating your shit reads like a bible and deathtunneling everyone who disagrees with you every game isn't going to magically start succeeding

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Uhm I have only seen you and MariaR disagree and I suggested both of you as scum in my replace in.

KidAmn agrees MariaR scum if memory serves and I scumread Kid?

This isn't a death tunnel I am asking questions and have tried to sort your slot but you are making it hard to do so and hard to get any sort of read from MariaR.

She also never gave much in the way it reads in PyP and pulled AtE shit.

Civ Mafia and this are night and day.

Correction. I said the MariaR/Clumsy interaction looked worse than RC's minor wig-out at you. I also said that before the TWO roleclaims we had.

STOP SWINGING YOUR MASSIVELY INFLATED EGOS ALL OVER THE PLACE

STOP INSULTING OTHERS AND ASKING THEM TO LEAVE THE SITE, THIS IS A FUCKING GAME - TREAT IT AS SUCH

STOP USING FULL CAPS LARGE TEXTS BECAUSE THEY'RE ANNOYING AS HELL, AND IF YOU NEED THOSE TO CONVEY YOUR THOUGHTS YOU SHOULD SERIOUSLY RECONSIDER WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING

Thank you.

I just want to put an addendum on this on a personal level. Recent games I have played with certain people here were mentally draining and tiresome to play as someone who dislikes engaging in battles of ego over actual scumhunting, which is what said unnamed players here engaged in. I don't want to do Scout a disservice and replace out, but I have no qualms about doing so if it continues.

RC quick Q we've both talked about how ate is a powerful scum weapon so aren't you a bit worried here?

If you're scum the scumteam is Gerry/Maria/Clumsy/X and the best case scenario is still to lynch Clumsy's ass and prevent scum from getting towncred from lynching you.

Okay, talk me through the logic here. How does Clumsy's flip affect the known (for now, I'm going to assume that this is why you had to stay in meat-space last night) result?

maria, not in the slightest

it does more damage, especially in the longrun, all you do is sap any credibility you have for not being a selfish player in my view when you self-vote as town

it does not serve your term on principle, there may be instances where it doesn't do direct immediate damage, but establishing it as acceptable for town does severe damage to town playing better overall

like, towns suck around here ppl, it's become painfully obvious, and site-meta needs to change to help it not suck as much

part of this means that townies need to stop self-voting

oh and btw parity cop claim timing = SCUMMY AS SHIIIIIT

This is in your view. Not the view of the site in general and bluntly no one really cares about your view. You're a single fringe player who is on the sidelines of the sidelines.

a) Knock that shit off right now RC (I assume giga has the sense not to be this downright needlessly unpleasant)
b) Dreal, let's hear it - explain to me a world in which RT is scum. Explain why one of what was previously my stronger townreads jumps in at L-1 and ties Maria to Gerry but doesn't, for example, push to lynch Gerry who (if town) then soft-confirms Maria's claim and RC's. RT - Don't butt in here. I'm trying break some walls down, stop the dickswinging and get some hard answers.

Math I don't answer to you. I may be parity cop or I may not. I have written your vote out of the list of votes I am interested in changing. Talk to someone else.

Math are you jealous of how easily I got Nero lynched? Wanna know how you do that? It's called respect. people respect my reads people respect my pushes people respect my knowledge of the game. That's why I die regardless of your alignment.

Math you are not understanding me. This isn't a question of is Maria scum or is Maria not scum. This is a question of is lynching Maria good for the team: and REGARDLESS OF HER ALIGNMENT the answer is NO.

I think that she's town on top of that which makes it doubly bad for the team but the fact is that I think that if scum!Maria gets lynched today no more scum will get lynched for the duration of the game.

Lynching scum is good for me.

They're not scum though. =]

If MariaR is scum it is good for me and the rest of town. That is my point.

Do you believe Maria is scum? If so, posit a scumteam.
You don't think Clumsy is scum - explain why?

Kid, I am expecting you to change votes on principle because I think that you should see right through what's going on. If I need to give you something more, let me know.

Random, same goes.

I think you can expect whatever the hell you want, I'm not currently voting and I don't plan to while I'm trying to get answers out of people.

PEdit:

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nice fake claim, RT. Still lynching Maria.

If you really were parity cop you wouldnt say that maria is town and when clumsy is lynched i'm being lynched. lol

I'm reading now, but I'm busy tonight. On phone. Just pointing this out. Gerry is absolutely right here, that claim is 100% fake. The fear mongering is real. I'll get to the wall about me when I'm back to computer, but there's so much wrong with it.

This comes across as really odd from someone who has been throwing shade on Gerry all day D1. Like, why are you not more invested in lynching the person who you ostensibly scumread D1 over the claimed doc, or even RT who is claiming parity on both of them? Surely it's in the best interest of town to minimise potential loss of PRs, even if you don't believe the claim.

PEdit 2 - Eternal Punishment:

Because I was confident in a read on replacing in here if I wanted could I go into an iso quote some things I find scummy and show them hell yeah I could why am I not doing that? Because I don't want to right now I am drained and building a case isn't something I want to do at the moment so I'm just chatting.

With all respect, are you sure Mafia is the game for you if this is how you react to pressure regardless of alignment? I would appreciate you giving some form of case on the people you currently scumread.

PEdit 3 - The Answer:

Most protective claims are the shit claims. MariaR has been around enough to know people don't instantly vote protective claims.

I have hammered fake claiming Jailkeepers as a bodyguard and took the damn night kill day one.

If you are protective you shut the fuck up.

Uh, I'm gonna have to second RT's question here - why would a PR

not

claim at L-1? Like, at minimum there's 1 more night where scum are killing Maria to open up attacks on more important town players.

PEdit 4 - Golden:

Always be honest at L-1 I am just saying that the claim is pretty much useless at this point.

I... you... what? Are you seriously saying this? I just... I don't see any way in hell this is a pro-town attitude.

PEdit 5 - Just Shut Up Already I'm Out Of Subtitles
RT - You wanna cool it with the hyperbole a little? Clumsy isn't "confscum", you've presented a case on him. Those are 2 very different things.

PEdit 6 - Holy Shit He Finally Posted A Case Wait Never Mind It's Still Just "This Feels Fake" And No Actual Evidence

Also, the way you interact with people fluctuates based on how they perceive you. When someone treats you as scum or rather, contests you, the sarcasm and stuff dials way up. It's a way to shift the course of the interactions you have. This is detectable in the ISO.

This is mostly because I'm a sarcastic asshole, and the more wrong someone is, the more asshole they get. For instance, you are currently neck-deep in Booty O-s. (but seriously, feel free to go back and look at my previously completed games onsite which are all town - this is just how I be, broheim.)

we see you making it up

Well yeah, I'm literally typing the post and thinking of how to put down your contrived scumread on me based on feels and things that are consistent with my town meta. Go ahead and tell me how fake this one feels too - I'll go get my List of bitching takedowns ready.

[KidAmn]

NO ZACH NO KIDAMN YOU DO NOT FIGHT TODAY PLEASE.

The irony is tangible ^{okay I'll stop poking at the open wound now but for real you two}

[KidAmn]

RE: 2217:

Tone and gut is a big part of play for some people, so yeah "feels" isn't as discrediting as you think

As for your reaction to me it's great, good stuff, I really like it, I do stuff like that

but if you're scum it's going to make it harder for you because i'm going to get in that ass

if you're town it's going to make it harder for both of us

There were valid concerns raised in my post ie ("why are your scum leans so fake?" "what motivation do i have to pop out of the shadows because user KidAmn posted slightly negatively about me?" which I'd like to see you respond to, but we can do that too

I can't really address "why are your scum leans so fake?" because... they're not? I don't really cling to the false idol of consistency, you have to approach Mafia with an open mind, especially when all 3 of your SRs D1 flip town?
As for "what motivation do i have to pop out of the shadows because user KidAmn posted slightly negatively about me?" it's more like "what motivation do I have to actually get off my ass and contribute to town rather than skimming along D1", because that's what my lean on you D1 was based on - you popped in and poked at things without engaging. You're engaging now, misguidedly, but you're doing it. Now let's hunt some scum, and you can eat ass later if you're good, k?

PEdit: Hoo boy, are you really gonna do this? Because saying your read is based on feels and no real evidence doesn't mean it's contrived, it just means you're clearly not looking at the rest of the thread. You're tunnelled because you don't like how I act as town, consistent with my town meta... and that's fine, I'm somewhat of a diet-RC fairly often (I even do the wig-outs, it's great, you should read it sometime, RC probably got a kick out of that) but there are multiple actual cases to be pushing.

Speaking of:

@Kid -- I don't have a team yet.
In Civ Mafia I started with a team and was wrong.

I have lots of TRs though and am working through PoE since my Beeboy Sondam Leonshade reads were right I would start with a minor push of my scumreads and what I have seen is ugly.

WOMP WOMP wrong answer, go with what you have in front of you so far, if you had to look at who's in front of you right now who'd you go for with 1 ultimate "Governor But In A Fuck This Guy/Girl/Person Way Not A Save Them Way" vote?

PEdit 2 Electric Boogaloo:

Heads up again - tomorrow is chem exam so after I finish these votecounts you'll have to do without me for a while. Don't mess up while I'm gone.

Manufacture some amphetamines for us

@Kid -- I don't have a team yet.
In Civ Mafia I started with a team and was wrong.

I have lots of TRs though and am working through PoE since my Beeboy Sondam Leonshade reads were right I would start with a minor push of my scumreads and what I have seen is ugly.

I have asked you several times to clarify your claimed Clumsy townread since I think that's incompatible with their ISO.

Zach, Kid, everyone else: do you not think that it's a problem that they claimed a Clumsy townread with no explanation?

Zach I can understand the TR but they ALSO claimed them as hard town with absolutely ZERO explanation and they should be forced to answer for that.

Math definitely should answer but I feel that this phenomena can be explained with "the Mathblade effect"

Math always has shitty logic yes. But they have shitty logic and it can be explained and I shrug my shoulders and am like jesus they are fucking dumb but it EXISTS.

They are refusing to give reasoning. They have been prompted several times. They gave shit reasoning on Maria and others but they can't even troll logic their way into a Clumsy TR

Is a lie.

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

Why not Yuri here?

Math is yelling beeboy is town at me, yet I am not sold either way. Math says I should TR beeboy after his readwall due to matching reads.

Couldn't stay on Beeboy. It wasn't a valid lynch that was going to happen. Also I did address Notice town before. Admittedly I haven't talked about Beeboy that much because of #beeboy2017 Beeboy is town because as scum Beeboy is always active. He was the main active head in the hydra. I can pick out beeboy scum rather easily. Here's meta for you for it. In Mass Effect Mafia he had a lot of time but since then his activity has gone down all over the board and this game is going so fast. Source

not gut at all, unless you're accusing Titus of lying in this hydra (and the 2nd quote is from a post explicitly signed by yourself citing a meta read, not "gut"

[KidAmn]

I have never, ever, ever seen Math claim a townread and be unable to give any explanation besides 'oh its a gut one'

Civ Mafia Beeboy

Macho Man Randy Savage should be pointing at this post. This post is a lie. I don't honestly know how I quoted RT there.

[KidAmn]

Also fuck it I'm just gonna multi-task VLA cancelled)

[KidAmn]

unvote

thought I already had but oh well

On phone now

[KidAmn]

I'm not even tunneled on you guy I just did a case I didn't do before

RE: 2217:

Tone and gut is a big part of play for some people, so yeah "feels" isn't as discrediting as you think

As for your reaction to me it's great, good stuff, I really like it, I do stuff like that

but if you're scum it's going to make it harder for you because i'm going to get in that ass

if you're town it's going to make it harder for both of us

There were valid concerns raised in my post ie ("why are your scum leans so fake?" "what motivation do i have to pop out of the shadows because user KidAmn posted slightly negatively about me?" which I'd like to see you respond to, but we can do that too

I can't really address "why are your scum leans so fake?" because... they're not? I don't really cling to the false idol of consistency, you have to approach Mafia with an open mind, especially when all 3 of your SRs D1 flip town?
As for "what motivation do i have to pop out of the shadows because user KidAmn posted slightly negatively about me?" it's more like "what motivation do I have to actually get off my ass and contribute to town rather than skimming along D1", because that's what my lean on you D1 was based on - you popped in and poked at things without engaging. You're engaging now, misguidedly, but you're doing it. Now let's hunt some scum, and you can eat ass later if you're good, k?

I posted as much as I felt I needed to Day 1 which is very, very sparsely.

Your posts relating to me after I dropped the vote were all along the lines of OMGUS or in the same field. So no, the question is still one you should be asking yourself. This is cute, though. We should start a book club or something.

Also my point about your scum leans was:

"Aelita - inactivity

Zachstralkita - inactivity "

Blatant Misrep of my lean on you but whatever

If you're not tunnelled on me why aren't you addressing the wider shitfuckery currently ongoing

[KidAmn]

I'll read this after dinner
but I want to answer Kidann comment
I'm not drained from this game (well mostly it didn't help)
It's off site things but I will build a case if need be soonish

Need be, Maria. Need be. You just claimed an important town PR. Act like one.

[KidAmn]

Act like one.

you mean like being okay with their lynch as a doc?

I feel like this could be team-mate coaching

Yep, you're right, RT nailed 2 scum with a parity cop and now I am willingly attaching myself to the sinking ship that is Maria (I would say no offence intended but you've been awful so far but if RL issues are behind it I'm sorry) so that RC can have a perfect town win over me to go with his perfect scum win in Civ Mafia

Round of applause for Dream everyone he solved the goddamn game, we can all go home now

[KidAmn]

why do people overreact so fucking much when I talk possibilities?

OHNO HE MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY!

Because your possibilities assume that everyone is a literal moron

[KidAmn]

@The Budge -- I agree it isn't the only scumhunting tool. Both you and RT hydra have said I have only presented meta as a case. Do I need to present it again?

@Clumsy so you believe RT hydra's fakeclaim?

Why would I believe that? It's obviously fake.

nice fake claim, RT. Still lynching Maria.

If you really were parity cop you wouldnt say that maria is town and when clumsy is lynched i'm being lynched. lol

I'm reading now, but I'm busy tonight. On phone. Just pointing this out. Gerry is absolutely right here, that claim is 100% fake. The fear mongering is real. I'll get to the wall about me when I'm back to computer, but there's so much wrong with it.


P-edit LET ME POST

Maria is scum, easy as that. You don't just give up like that, self vote, then come back later with a doctor claim. None of her play indicates doctor. It's a scum fake claim to try to get them off the hook/draw out a CC from the real doctor, if there is one. Gerry is the difficult one. I've been waffling back and forth there. I feel like he should be able to read me better, but we've only had one game (and I was Mason, so there wasn't really a period of trying to sort me as town or scum, plus he was scum). Calling out RT's bullshit is really towny though.

Literally using NAI shit (Maria being stressed with IRL issues) to discredit no fewer than two uncounted claims

Literally ignoring that Maria claimed at (admittedly self inflicted) L-1 and that asking for a claim at that point happens for a reason

Still trying to work out why you think Gerry might be scum when you think both Maria claim and RT's claimed parity result are fake

Vote Clumsy

[KidAmn]

If both claims are fake then it's very easy to power wagon Gigs/Maria out of the game because that would literally have wasted an RC scum slot on saving someone who has been useless all game so far

[KidAmn]

My logic is fine.

I have two games that disprove your point.

You don't not lynch someone because of a claim.

You don't not lynch someone because of their play.

MariaR's play just doesn't make sense for a doctor.

I just don't believe the claim. Like even kid said that Maria is not acting like a doctor. Unless another extremely viable wagon comes up. I will vote Maria

@The Budge -- I agree it isn't the only scumhunting tool. Both you and RT hydra have said I have only presented meta as a case. Do I need to present it again?

@Clumsy so you believe RT hydra's fakeclaim?

Why would I believe that? It's obviously fake.

nice fake claim, RT. Still lynching Maria.

If you really were parity cop you wouldnt say that maria is town and when clumsy is lynched i'm being lynched. lol

I'm reading now, but I'm busy tonight. On phone. Just pointing this out. Gerry is absolutely right here, that claim is 100% fake. The fear mongering is real. I'll get to the wall about me when I'm back to computer, but there's so much wrong with it.


P-edit LET ME POST

Maria is scum, easy as that. You don't just give up like that, self vote, then come back later with a doctor claim. None of her play indicates doctor. It's a scum fake claim to try to get them off the hook/draw out a CC from the real doctor, if there is one. Gerry is the difficult one. I've been waffling back and forth there. I feel like he should be able to read me better, but we've only had one game (and I was Mason, so there wasn't really a period of trying to sort me as town or scum, plus he was scum). Calling out RT's bullshit is really towny though.

The bottom of this post is exactly why everyone should scum read Maria.

Literally all you have posted since replacing in is "haha that's funny" (paraphrased), an attempt to buddy onto me, and "yeah, wot he said" for Clumsy

Do you have any original thoughts or is your plan just to do what Clumsy says all game?

PEDIT: regardless of meta we are not lynching a claimed doctor. Either we force scum to kill them or they have to play dodge the doc and continue this push based entirely on NAI reasons for Maria's shit play

[KidAmn]

Vecna is amazing and effectively replaces Aelita as of now. Give them a warm welcome!

Hi Vecna let's lynch Clum-Scum

[KidAmn]

Oh btw, ive found scum already.

The bulge is like 94.3% likely to be scum.

VOTE: The bulge

[citation needed]

No but seriously you're gonna have to explain me a thing

[KidAmn]

like self-voting is objectively bad play in most scenarios but to be anything close to a decent mafia player you have to be able to understand people are sometimes irrational and that's ok and not always disingenious. so imo the ppl who are like "SELFVOTE = LOCKSCUM" are the ones actually playing poorly because they arent developing a read based on motivation or emotional context but rather are trying to pigeonhole townplay into a neat little box.

WRONG! this is why town's suck in general around here, because they think this shit is okay

there are fundamentals to mafia, there are fundamentals to town play

self-voting DOES NOTHING EXCEPT SERVE SCUM, ever - if you do it as town, you're helping scum, JUST DON'T DO IT

it's very simple, and those who try to make it more complex are the players who are playing poorly and perpetuate bad-play on a deeper level that make scum's job easier and town's systematically worse

It's kinda funny how you've gone from arguing Maria is scum, to arguing on a policy level Maria's actions

help

scum. Just throwing that out there.

[KidAmn]

why is that funny?

also, I think maybe part of the fundamental that is getting missed here is that:

'if this is scum doing this, no way should they be allowed to get away with it' - and the only way scum DO get away with it is when ppl have giga's mindset, that it's okay to let them get away with it because "they could be just playing unreasonably" - it's inexcusable imo

The thing is, you're not actually arguing Maria is scum any more. You're arguing that a NAI behaviour is suboptimal and helps scum, and that we should lynch a claimed PR because of it. You essentially want to policy lynch her and are ignoring the claim because it came at L-1, the same place most claims come at.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: RadiantTroubador

I can get behind this after reading the thread.

Side note: MariaR is also scum after not Town telling in their opening.

My reads are the same as mathblade after rereading? Score

[KidAmn]

I don't think Clumsy is bussing.

For the MariaR to be bussed she must be scum.
To demonstrate bussing you vote the bussing victim.

So if scum are bussing lynching MariaR is correct. With KidAmn on Clumsy I doubt this.

so the rest if the scumteam is just voting clumsy together as a scumbloc

theres literally zero resistance to the maria lynch and she claimed pr - that means theres highly likely scum on there

People are inactive.
Resistance also doesn't indicate scum.
RC made it his mission to discredit me and call me scum yet never voted for me when I asked.

...did you learn absolutely nothing from Civ Mafia, or are you just spectacularly resistant to the idea you could be wrong?

Math tries, which is the sad thing. Math views working with them as voting within their scumpool rather than helping their unique skills shine. Because of this view they view Brute Force as the only good tactic because they cannot recognize those working with them and disagreeing.

[KidAmn]

Clumsy - [3] MariaR, gigabyteTroubadour, KidAmn

this wagon is totally the scumteam guys

Clumsy no. The others likely.

A wagon that forms in response to TWO FUCKING CLAIMED PRs and involves 3 PEOPLE WHO UNVOTED MARIA ^{(admittedly one is Maria but we've discussed that)} AFTER EXPRESSING DOUBT ABOUT CLUMSY is the scumteam. Math, stop and think for a second here. If you really think the majority of a potential scum team would all hop straight off a bus and onto a mislynch, you are beyond help.

[KidAmn]

Clumsy - [3] MariaR, gigabyteTroubadour, KidAmn

this wagon is totally the scumteam guys

Clumsy no. The others likely.

A wagon that forms in response to TWO FUCKING CLAIMED PRs and involves 3 PEOPLE WHO UNVOTED MARIA ^{(admittedly one is Maria but we've discussed that)} AFTER EXPRESSING DOUBT ABOUT CLUMSY is the scumteam. Math, stop and think for a second here. If you really think the majority of a potential scum team would all hop straight off a bus and onto a mislynch, you are beyond help.

I've done that as scum

Don't judge every gamestate by your standards. And I note you don't say you did so

successfully

as scum.

I've also truth claimed jailkeeper as scum. Claiming a PR is NOT alignment indicative. RC has also fakeclaimed to suit his agenda.

If my judgment is "good" (per RC's standards) this game then would he have changed his reads?

Why are you turning this into a discussion about a player who isn't even in the game any more?

[KidAmn]

That was like 60 pages.

I'm debating who to vote right now. Clum I can see as scum, but what I don't see is how the flip helps gamesolve at this point, beyond giga conferming his theory because ?????? Maria has also been playing terribly and also has some direct information to provide thanks to giga's claimed parity cop, but Maria is always emotional and lynchbaity so she could be town because of that.
I'll wait for more info for now.

At some point you gotta ask yourself "do I want info or do I want scum", and Clum = Scum

Plus, I think saying it doesn't "gamesolve" is disingenuous as fuck, look at how much harder this wagon has been fought against (admittedly by morons and people who have forgotten Civ Mafia apparently) than Maria's. Maria was literally at L-1 and yet town can't put together more than 3 goddamn votes on Clumsy.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Clumsy

4 goddamn votes

well that's interesting

what convinced you to move off kid and vote with him?

I mean, I'm not complaining, but it's a question that I'm interested in the answer to.

[KidAmn]

Holy shit who is online who is not voting me so I can self hammer

Alright, you've had multiple chances to do something other than piggyback RT'S Clum case at this point and I'm honestly getting real fuckin tired of sticking up for you on policy grounds

If you don't produce a read list and some coherent thought of your own soon, I'll gladly put you in a position to self hammer.

I do wonder why Vecna is openly ordering me onto your wagon though, given that he has me as scum (and not even one of his "might be wrong"). And apparently he doesn't remember me being equally aggressive in Civ Mafia (followed by depression as town followed Math off a cliff), or take any note of the two failed attempts to make the post he cites as evidence of tone. Incidentally Vecna, how were you expecting people to set up links apart from being psychics?

[KidAmn]

Oh I get it. My point was that you replace in, do a big wall, and straight after youre like "RT lets link!" and RT goes YEP, good idea!

Rather unnatural to me, but I just could be seeing things. It does fit rather well with the rest of the gamestate as well, especially given how two town lovers needed to sync up to use their ability and do the same coherant action. I could totally see there being scum-abilities working similarly, which might also be why you want to add Maria to your link next ~

>I< want no such thing thank you very much. Also gonna assume you missed the part at the start of today where I openly called RT out on linking and then dodging the whole "show up to use it" part. I think you are just seeing things, and I'm happy to go more into the reasons I picked RT out to link with.

[KidAmn]

unvote
vote Maria

If you are what you claimed, I'm done with this site after this game is over.

[KidAmn]

Yo can I get in that hood too

Yeah no.

[KidAmn]

Vote: Clumsy

I am not having another shitty wagon derail, we are lynching this today. Everyone who was utterly refusing to vote anywhere but Maria yesterday is either scum or intellectually challenged (Mathblade may in fact be both).

[KidAmn]

Vote: Clumsy

I am not having another shitty wagon derail, we are lynching this today. Everyone who was utterly refusing to vote anywhere but Maria yesterday is either scum or intellectually challenged (Mathblade may in fact be both).

...Layoff the personal insults.
MariaR followed what I thought was her scum meta to a T. Did I mess up? Yes.

@Random why did link request fail?

VOTE: KidAmn

Fuck it. Policy til you fix your shit right now. I play mafia to get better socially.

However insulting the player BEHIND the screen is never something allowed so you can apologize or my vote stays.

Spoilers: this slot is very likely scum with Clum. "Policy lynching" D3 with no flipped town and a fake as hell AtE. People have literally been telling you you were wrong about Maria since your very first post and you barrelled ahead and mislynched them through a goddamn doctor claim based on a meta that clearly couldn't be applied to someone who wasn't 100% in the correct mindset for the game.

I will literally only accept either a Clumsy or Mathblade wagon today and anyone suggesting something else is likely their buddy derailing the wagons.

[KidAmn]

EBWOP - above should read "no flipped scum"

[KidAmn]

math if you are town then chill and re evaluate. we both need to after the last two flips. town needs to consolidate here.
we should decide whether to keep pushing on the more active players (kid, dreal, math) or lurker hunt (pepto, bulge, clumsy)
we should come to agreement on this point then start hunting.

I'm certainly wondering why certain players are excluded from this list.

[KidAmn]

lynch maria

no, only cause i think clumsy is mafia goon and maria is an important maf PR. maybe something that can allow maf to do something important tonight

its funny when people lynch town cause they are OBVS MAFIA!!!!! and then call other people's reads dumb.

yes you made the mistake of lying TWO people who were town, not just one. but ok.

I still think you can be mafia, if maria flips an important mafia PR, which i think she is.

first she says i cant read her, now she says i can read her. then says im not mafia for pushing on her, now says i might be mafia for pushing on her

MARIA I'M SORRY, I WAS GONNA UNVOTE I SWEARZIES

Bullshit.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: the bulge
there is no way this isn't scum. my vote is parked here.

VOTE: the bulge
there is no way this isn't scum. my vote is parked here.

My name's being tossed all around and I dont think ive seen even one actual explanation other than "this has to be scum"

VOTE: clumsy
fiiiiiine

Weak

Vote: Clumsy

I am not having another shitty wagon derail, we are lynching this today. Everyone who was utterly refusing to vote anywhere but Maria yesterday is either scum or intellectually challenged (Mathblade may in fact be both).

...Layoff the personal insults.
MariaR followed what I thought was her scum meta to a T. Did I mess up? Yes.

@Random why did link request fail?

that was my fault. i had some issues over the last few days and i thought i was going to be able to get on lat night for night actions but I kinda passed out last night.

I don't like this either.

Kid clumsy Random all three top scumreads but I don't think they are all on a team together.

You are literally Civ Mafia-ing again. Anyone who thinks your reads are bad (after they've been proven again in this game to be wildly off) is scum. The only question that remains is if you're doing it as scum this time.

Mod - if people get nightkilled, wont their linking go through if they were allready linked to someone else before? Hypothetically, if Giga wanted to link with me, while already linked with Kidamn, and I also linked with him during the night - shouldnt I be linked to KidAmn?

There wasn't a link between myself and Giga any more.

[KidAmn]

Also: Math literally trying to derail the game with multihull speculation despite absolutely nothing about the setup or flips indicating this to be the case.

[KidAmn]

*multiball

[KidAmn]

how would townflips indicate multiball 1 way or the other?

1 death a night generally indicates only 1 scumteam, yes? Unless Mathblade is suggesting both teams killed the same person both nights or one team is deliberately NKing, why would they even suggest for a moment this might be multiball other than to try and obfuscate scumhunting? We're having a hard enough time decoding things as it is.

Vecna: I disagreed with bringing you into the link (nothing personal, I just don't see the value of it with anyone but people I have as locktown and would have broken it after the parity fakeclaim regardless) and was planning on not being in VR. Plus, Giga never actually showed up to make it usable.

[KidAmn]

Wouldve been like, nice to actually state that in the main thread so it doesnt get wasted? How can having a neighbourhood ever be bad? Unless you have things to hide...

You and Giga would have still linked if Giga hadn't been killed, so unless you expect me to somehow know what night actions scum have submitted before the night starts...

And no, Giga never moved from Reality as far as I'm aware. They continually stated yesterday they had good reason not to, but as they basically admitted that wasn't true with the fakeclaim, I saw no value in keeping the link.

[KidAmn]

Im disappoint

Hi disappoint I'm dad

[KidAmn]

The only thing making me doubt Clumsy/Mathblade is how many lurkers we have who might just be letting us get distracted by Mathblade.

[KidAmn]

The only thing making me doubt Clumsy/Mathblade is how many lurkers we have who might just be letting us get distracted by Mathblade.

this is my issue. im worried that scum are lurking to victory

Does anyone strike you as actively lurking tho?

Gerry is putting on a masterclass in typing lots of words and not really producing a whole lot of coherent and/or original thought

Momo is just sheeping and buddying onto anyone he can (and actively misrep'd Mathblade saying they were angry at multiple people when they were/are really only truly pissed at me) and sat on the fence on the Maria wagon so hard they're going to give birth to a 2x4

I agree with the case on Maria but it is WAY TOO early for a lynch.

Anyone pushing for a lynch this early is either bad town or scum.

Kid, since you had the sense to unvote, want to analyze this wagon together???

I agree with maria wagon but it is pretty early. My vote will go on in 24 hours unless I can dissect something from the wagon until then.

My logic is fine.

I have two games that disprove your point.

You don't not lynch someone because of a claim.

You don't not lynch someone because of their play.

MariaR's play just doesn't make sense for a doctor.

I just don't believe the claim. Like even kid said that Maria is not acting like a doctor. Unless another extremely viable wagon comes up. I will vote Maria

Until it became clear Math was going to lead a couple of townies + I expect most of the scumteam off the cliff.

The thing is Math's reads on Maria and Giga (plus myself, obviously) were so utterly wrong in where they came from that it's hard to call it as their Civ-Mafia town game, or Math being intelligent enough to mimic their Civ-Mafia town game. Either way there were a lot of scum on that Maria wagon because she made it damn easy for them, and the hard resistance to the Clumsy wagon despite Giga posting the only real case of the last day cements that for me, as does this Giga/Math interaction

because he pings ur gut

Townpings yep.
Clumsy townpings my gut.

because he pings ur gut

Townpings yep.
Clumsy townpings my gut.

compelling case

Not really but it is honest unlike the Clumsy one.

because he pings ur gut

Townpings yep.
Clumsy townpings my gut.

compelling case

Not really but it is honest unlike the Clumsy one.

how is the clumsy case dishonest

rc didnt lie about game events lmfao

no, only cause i think clumsy is mafia goon and maria is an important maf PR. maybe something that can allow maf to do something important tonight

why would scum let the wagons be SvS here??

gerry can i get like a readlist your perception of the gamestate seems dumb

Gerry Clumsy is probably town because of this. This is an honest point by Giga.

But a scum case on a town player is inherently dishonest.

Clumsy "gut townpings" for Math and they chainsaw for Clumsy saying the case is "inherently dishonest" which is a really nice way of not actually countering any of the points made in said case

[KidAmn]

After investigations, I suspect Clusmy is sided with the mafia.

99% sure this is a bus

[KidAmn]

it definitely seems to me like gerry saw clumsy possibly getting lynched D1 (he was one of the 1st players that got a significant push/wagon potential) and was like "yeah I'll hop on that bus!!!" and has been prepared to do so ever since

MB is giving me a good amount of pings too

but these lurkers, I was thinking they'd come back around given that the first 2 Days were blehhhhhhh and then it was the weekend when D3 started, but, at this point, wtf is with these lurkers?

BTD is on a previously stated V/LA (but has posted almost nothing of value at all) and Pepto... I need to take another look at Pepto.

[KidAmn]

I agree, especially with Momo as I've pointed out, but don't want to get overly caught up in "omg lurkers must b sxumzzz!!!!1!" because that way lies madness/activity as a tell which is usually minimal

[KidAmn]

I agree, especially with Momo as I've pointed out, but don't want to get overly caught up in "omg lurkers must b sxumzzz!!!!1!" because that way lies madness/activity as a tell which is usually minimal

yep. but im worried with anymore ml's we have to risk a shot at them which is hard to get right

Easier to do good scumhunting than take a pop in the dark tbh, the Clumsy lynch is A++ but there's no need to rush it.

[KidAmn]

I guess I have been lurking a bit. I have math, gerry, and clumsy as scum.

I will be more than happy to vote clumsy but don't want a lynch just yet.

As for math, I did not mean to offend you but mafia is a heated game. If you can not take it replace out. As a neutral replacement, I can tell that you are not happy in this game. Don't pick fights. Whatever kid said. It was just words. Words on a computer screen should not get you this mad.

Everyone, the above is why I scum read math. At first I believed him but now it has gotten fake.

Do you have any original thoughts whatsoever, or is this just what you do?

[KidAmn]

At any rate, im not gonna hold it against anyone to be pushing on MariaR there. I dont know what Giga was seeing that made her so sure that Maria was town, but it just appeared like a complete 1on1 copy of the meta, and I know at least Math trusts that stuff when it comes to certain people. Doesnt mean that they cannot be scum doing it, but their thought pattern upon replacing in seemed to be the exact as mine, which I know to be town.

I disagree with this. Maria wagon is our best bet on finding scum, given the resistance to Clumsy and the fervour with which it was pushed by people who didn't want to stop and consider how detached she was from the game in general.

[KidAmn]

But that detachment didnt factor into your decision to put her in a position to selfhammer? Because the fact youre now pretending that scumreading her wasnt viable, while you were there just as well voting the slot is kind of strange.

Remind me again how you read both lovers on day1? Because im quite sure fishy stuff went on there as well.

And now your breaking up of that neighbourhood, the same night giga bites the dust - Im slightly annoyed at your behaviour here.

I make zero apologies for PM&C/CK - they floundered about claiming 3 different things without actually doing any scumhunting, and Cloud did his usual "hur dur look at me contributing fucking nothing" shit which is nigh unreadable in addition to being fucking useless. Was there likely a scum push there? Obviously, it'd be ridiculous for such a dominant wagon to not.

As for Maria, I made it quite clear that she needed to back up the role claim with engaging in the game, and she failed to do so but also refused to replace out. At that point it became a case of "if you want to throw the game, here's the ball". I'm not saying scumreading her wasn't viable, I'm saying that when Giga posited a viable likely scum in Clumsy and 90% of the Maria wagon sat there yelling "muh meta" and "bluh bluh no town PR ever does this" without paying the real case any heed, something is going to flip red there.

If you think I'm scum, please by all means just say it instead of throwing around loose shade and saying you're "annoyed" by me, because frankly the feeling is getting to be mutual.

[KidAmn]

let me know when clumsy is lynched

Mod: Could we please have some kind of global prod (not counted towards replacement) to remind half the playerbase that there is actually a game happening?

[KidAmn]

who linked with RT?

I linked with them N1, Vecna attempted to link with them N2. Struggling to see why this of all things is what you're interested in above... Yknow, the whole rest of the game.

[KidAmn]

Gerry clearly isn't tryharding because otherwise he'd remember that both Giga and I acknowledged that we never got to use the link due to Giga being in reality for "reasons" so they couldn't have privately told me anything. Still think they're bussing.

[KidAmn]

Currently filed under possible active lurking scum. It's a firm "maybe".

[KidAmn]

Vote: Momo

[KidAmn]

alright
anyone got pts with btd that they can talk to him through?
that NK was really odd...

they only had 8 posts

Minimal information to be gleaned from the flip because of the lack of information. Smart kill.

[KidAmn]

I'm not in the list because I have had horrible reads the entire game (this happens to me when town lies, time and time again)

But now that a scum has been lynched you conveniently have great reads on 4 of the players who have been driving town forward? After spending most of yesterday not contributing a whole lot after you screamed all day to get Maria lynched, ignored the case on Clumsy entirely, and were then conspicuous by your absence on the Clumsy wagon?

Not Voting - drealmerz7, Clumsy, The Bulge, BTD6_maker

There's at least 1 more scum in this pile and I'm far more confident that it's Drealmerz over Bulge after this kneejerk "hey it must be the active players guys nobody else would kill the hardcore lurker" bullshit

Vote: drealmerz

> everHope.getUser(100).getInterview().getLatest();

Heroes are made, not born. It's my entire philosophy

. Well, next to "don't do what you don't have to", I guess. I mean, if you talk and nobody intends to listen, why even bother in the first place?

Look, I don't have this everlasting career that you oldies have. Should I? Hell no, that's why you're old.

My job? Guarding everHope, humanity's finest.

What would we be without it, huh? What I like about it? definitely the uniform. Attracts the ladies like a pile of shit attracts flies. But this, this is some good shit, if you know what I mean. The best part: all ladies here are rich, so that Maserati is getting real close. One or two divorces and I can quit working.

But until then? I'd be crazy not to stay. We're a family here - mind you, a big one, and there definitely is some incest going on - and it's all the family I need. You know that crazy aunt, that sweet grandma, that loud nephew? There are at least a few dozens of each running around here. It's amazing. And so am I.

BTD6_maker was killed last night. They were aligned with

Simotech

.
They are still alive in Virtual Reality.

Incidentally, yes, this fucking screams BG or some kind of protective role.

[KidAmn]

rm and I are linked but we can link a 3rd who is non-linked, right?

going for vecna tonight

Did this go through?

[KidAmn]

We're not lynching the Doctor claim! Great! Now let's all vote Clumsy.

Also don't fucking CC. If Maria is scum she wants to get lynched today so let's powerwagon Clumsy.

uh, no, we have to lynch maria

wtf ppl

PLEASE LEARN TO PLAY OMFG

WE ARE EITHER LYNCHING CLUMSY OR GETTING RID OF MATHBLADE SO SHE DOESN'T CIVILIZATION MAFIA THIS GAME. EITHER IS FINE. MARIA IS OFF THE TABLE.

you don't get to dictate shit

maria is L-2 and a great lynch, so fuck off with this shit

quit telling ppl "clumsy is the correct vote" and "clumsy is the lynch today" and "TRing clumsy's ISO is impossible" - can you make an actual case on clumsy that has to do with clumsy?

who said I have great reads on who is scum??? I certainly didn't say that

I didn't see the case on clumsy but I wasn't opposed to it either,

simple as that, especially after being incorrect 3 times previously no way was I going to speak up against it when I had no townlean on him, he was just a ? for me

"all 4 of you are super suspect right now" (2739) - but I'm not saying I have good scumreads now you guys, don't be silly, I never said those exact words so I never said it

And yeah, as the above shows, you had no issue trying to shut down Giga on Clumsy when it was the opposing lynch to Maria and then suddenly flipped around when it became clear that town were going all-in on Clumsy D3 (without ever actually committing your vote to it), the extent of your D3 posting was "yeah, I could go for Clumsy or Mathblade" (in the end, you never voted at all), poking at my comment on Mathblade's random multiball assertion, and

it definitely seems to me like gerry saw clumsy possibly getting lynched D1 (he was one of the 1st players that got a significant push/wagon potential) and was like "yeah I'll hop on that bus!!!" and has been prepared to do so ever since

MB is giving me a good amount of pings too

but these lurkers, I was thinking they'd come back around given that the first 2 Days were blehhhhhhh and then it was the weekend when D3 started, but, at this point, wtf is with these lurkers?

I also consider momo, the bulge, and zachstralkita to be lurkers

for me D3 is the day to start killing lurkers, any longer and you risk them making it too close to lylo for comfort to play the end of the game in a healthy way

games around here don't have enough vigs!

"hey guys we should totally kill the lurkers, D3 is lurker lynch time, let's get lurkers"

[KidAmn]

one does not equal the other how is htat hard to understand?

oh you must be scum!

Completely ignored my other point: check
Actually trying to argue that saying "you 4 are super suspect" isn't scumreading people: check
Instantly leaping to calling me scum for suspecting you: check

CODE CRACKED


BOOK EM DANNO

[KidAmn]

are you able to consolidate my 2 points?

that my reads suck but I consider you 4 suspect?

it's not scumreads on you, it's suspect for 1 point only

geebus

Your first act after being nearly non-existent for the whole of D3 and offering wishywashy consent with no vote to a wagon on scum is to come in, say "nah that was a dumb kill all 4 of you active dudes are suspect BUT IT'S NOT A SCUMREAD BRO" (AFTER ARGUING FOR A LURKER LYNCH D3) and then start with nearly

I need to die before lylo anyway so today is fine if we can't find anyone else better

yes, I need to die before lylo because I suck in games where townies lie and do not want to be left alive to decide because I will more likely be wrong

the same shit you lynched Maria for

Do

you

not see how that flags up massive fucking alarms?

[KidAmn]

my issue is your "active players would probably have shot" part, though, I'm questioning what does being an active player (if scum) do with who you want to kill?

why would a disengaged lurker scumteam go for another inactive player? wouldn't it increase their pool of anonymity to keep other inactives around?

To start pointing fingers at the active players :^)

[KidAmn]

you'd know if I'd be able? you think it'd notify you "drealmer is now able to talk" ?

Mine and RTs had a notification that there weren't enough people available to use it. It was one of the first things I brought up D2, so you should have known that this would be the case.

[KidAmn]

alright
anyone got pts with btd that they can talk to him through?
that NK was really odd...

they only had 8 posts

Minimal information to be gleaned from the flip because of the lack of information. Smart kill.

also why the fuck would we kill btd

Yep.

Random KidAmn Vecna I think all scums.

Your reads are literally awful. Or you're scum. At this point I'm wondering.

[KidAmn]

I'm not in the list because I have had horrible reads the entire game (this happens to me when town lies, time and time again)

But now that a scum has been lynched you conveniently have great reads on 4 of the players who have been driving town forward? After spending most of yesterday not contributing a whole lot after you screamed all day to get Maria lynched, ignored the case on Clumsy entirely, and were then conspicuous by your absence on the Clumsy wagon?

Not Voting - drealmerz7, Clumsy, The Bulge, BTD6_maker

There's at least 1 more scum in this pile and I'm far more confident that it's Drealmerz over Bulge after this kneejerk "hey it must be the active players guys nobody else would kill the hardcore lurker" bullshit

Vote: drealmerz

> everHope.getUser(100).getInterview().getLatest();

Heroes are made, not born. It's my entire philosophy

. Well, next to "don't do what you don't have to", I guess. I mean, if you talk and nobody intends to listen, why even bother in the first place?

Look, I don't have this everlasting career that you oldies have. Should I? Hell no, that's why you're old.

My job? Guarding everHope, humanity's finest.

What would we be without it, huh? What I like about it? definitely the uniform. Attracts the ladies like a pile of shit attracts flies. But this, this is some good shit, if you know what I mean. The best part: all ladies here are rich, so that Maserati is getting real close. One or two divorces and I can quit working.

But until then? I'd be crazy not to stay. We're a family here - mind you, a big one, and there definitely is some incest going on - and it's all the family I need. You know that crazy aunt, that sweet grandma, that loud nephew? There are at least a few dozens of each running around here. It's amazing. And so am I.

BTD6_maker was killed last night. They were aligned with

Simotech

.
They are still alive in Virtual Reality.

Incidentally, yes, this fucking screams BG or some kind of protective role.

We're not lynching the Doctor claim! Great! Now let's all vote Clumsy.

Also don't fucking CC. If Maria is scum she wants to get lynched today so let's powerwagon Clumsy.

uh, no, we have to lynch maria

wtf ppl

PLEASE LEARN TO PLAY OMFG

WE ARE EITHER LYNCHING CLUMSY OR GETTING RID OF MATHBLADE SO SHE DOESN'T CIVILIZATION MAFIA THIS GAME. EITHER IS FINE. MARIA IS OFF THE TABLE.

you don't get to dictate shit

maria is L-2 and a great lynch, so fuck off with this shit

quit telling ppl "clumsy is the correct vote" and "clumsy is the lynch today" and "TRing clumsy's ISO is impossible" - can you make an actual case on clumsy that has to do with clumsy?

who said I have great reads on who is scum??? I certainly didn't say that

I didn't see the case on clumsy but I wasn't opposed to it either,

simple as that, especially after being incorrect 3 times previously no way was I going to speak up against it when I had no townlean on him, he was just a ? for me

"all 4 of you are super suspect right now" (2739) - but I'm not saying I have good scumreads now you guys, don't be silly, I never said those exact words so I never said it

And yeah, as the above shows, you had no issue trying to shut down Giga on Clumsy when it was the opposing lynch to Maria and then suddenly flipped around when it became clear that town were going all-in on Clumsy D3 (without ever actually committing your vote to it), the extent of your D3 posting was "yeah, I could go for Clumsy or Mathblade" (in the end, you never voted at all), poking at my comment on Mathblade's random multiball assertion, and

it definitely seems to me like gerry saw clumsy possibly getting lynched D1 (he was one of the 1st players that got a significant push/wagon potential) and was like "yeah I'll hop on that bus!!!" and has been prepared to do so ever since

MB is giving me a good amount of pings too

but these lurkers, I was thinking they'd come back around given that the first 2 Days were blehhhhhhh and then it was the weekend when D3 started, but, at this point, wtf is with these lurkers?

I also consider momo, the bulge, and zachstralkita to be lurkers

for me D3 is the day to start killing lurkers, any longer and you risk them making it too close to lylo for comfort to play the end of the game in a healthy way

games around here don't have enough vigs!

"hey guys we should totally kill the lurkers, D3 is lurker lynch time, let's get lurkers"

one does not equal the other how is htat hard to understand?

oh you must be scum!

Completely ignored my other point: check
Actually trying to argue that saying "you 4 are super suspect" isn't scumreading people: check
Instantly leaping to calling me scum for suspecting you: check

CODE CRACKED


BOOK EM DANNO

are you able to consolidate my 2 points?

that my reads suck but I consider you 4 suspect?

it's not scumreads on you, it's suspect for 1 point only

geebus

Your first act after being nearly non-existent for the whole of D3 and offering wishywashy consent with no vote to a wagon on scum is to come in, say "nah that was a dumb kill all 4 of you active dudes are suspect BUT IT'S NOT A SCUMREAD BRO" (AFTER ARGUING FOR A LURKER LYNCH D3) and then start with nearly

I need to die before lylo anyway so today is fine if we can't find anyone else better

yes, I need to die before lylo because I suck in games where townies lie and do not want to be left alive to decide because I will more likely be wrong

the same shit you lynched Maria for

Do

you

not see how that flags up massive fucking alarms?

Reminder

[KidAmn]

People that are still voting Randomidget

without an actual case

tomorrow are getting bandwagoned tomorrow

[KidAmn]

People that are still voting Randomidget

without an actual case

tomorrow are getting bandwagoned tomorrow

What about the fact that Random said they didn't submit a link because RL to me? Then all of a sudden is buddy buddy with Vecna?

rm and I are linked but we can link a 3rd who is non-linked, right?

going for vecna tonight

Either RM or Dreal could link to Vecna and they would be added, so RM being busy with RL stuff over the night doesn't mean anything.

I am!
N1 form a link with KidAmn
N2 they leave and you form a link with X
N3 night result on X

What is it?

N1 ??? (Vecna might have explained this I CBA to go look)
N2 Tried to join the Giga/Kid link, would have joined a Giga/Vecna link after I broke the Giga/Kid link but Giga died
N3 Was brought into the RM/Dreal link

[KidAmn]

Especially since we are lynching RM. since he lied to me if he is in a hood made the first night I replaced in.

Again you and RM are probably scum.

Pick anyone besides KidAmn or RM.

Who is the scum in drealmerz and gerry? There is at least 1 scum pushing on this fake slip.

Youbknow just as well thats the thing scum always push on, and its happening here.

Neither if the slip is real which I think it is.

JFC there is no fucking slip, Dreal referred to a group of people and Random used "we" to reply

Dreal/Math/1 more for scum, GG no re

Math isn't this stupid as town (despite what some may think) and they 100% would not be advancing me as scum if they were doing what they claimed to be so proud of doing earlier in the game

[KidAmn]

Like why did KidAmn link? Why did Vecna pick someone else?

The claims aren't making sense to me.

I LINKED WITH RT NIGHT 1. THEY WERE NOT AVAILABLE TO USE THE LINK DAY 2 DUE TO BEING IN REALITY. NIGHT 2, GT ATTEMPTED TO LINK WITH VECNA. I BROKE MY LINK WITH GIGA. WHAT PART OF THIS IS NOT PERMEATING THROUGH HERE.

Why is Vecna only frustrated instead of suspicious of the unlink?

Like I don't get it at all.

Someone explain who is not RM/Vecna/KidAmn.

SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE EXPLAINED. VECNA LITERALLY SAID HE WAS SUSPICIOUS OF ME D3 AFTER I OPENLY SAID I HAD BROKEN THE LINK BETWEEN MYSELF AND GIGA. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING BECAUSE YOU ARE MATHBLADE.

[KidAmn]

Coffee, dear?

- Anna White

Vote Count 4.1

drealmerz7 -

[2] KidAmn, Vecna

Zachstralkita -

[0]

MathBlade-

[0]

gerryoat -

[0]

Vecna -

[0]

The Bulge -

[0]

Mathblade -

[0]

KidAmn -

[0]

Randomidget -

[3]

MathBlade, gerryoat, randomidget

Peptobislawl -

[0]

Not Voting -

drealmerz7, Zachstralkita, The Bulge, Peptobislawl,

Mod Notes –

Zachstralkita is V/LA for a few days.
Please stay calm and civil.

With 10 Alive, It Takes 6 to Lynch.

Day 4 Ends In (expired on 2017-04-27 18:02:09).

Did I miss RM self-voting somewhere or what, because I don't recall that happening

[KidAmn]

Night 2 Giga you say tried to link with Vecna. You broke your link with GT because of this.

Okay, now I know you're intentionally misrepping, because I quite clearly stated why I broke the link with Giga

Vecna: I disagreed with bringing you into the link (nothing personal,

I just don't see the value of it with anyone but people I have as locktown and would have broken it after the parity fakeclaim regardless) and was planning on not being in VR. Plus, Giga never actually showed up to make it usable.

After N1, Giga and I were linked. N2, presumably Giga submitted a link request to Vecna (and presumably vice versa), which would have brought Vecna into the link between myself and Giga. The same night, I submitted a request to break my link with Giga.

AT NO POINT WAS I EVER LINKED WITH VECNA. THERE WAS NEVER A REQUEST FROM ME TO LINK WITH VECNA. MY INPUT WAS NOT NECESSARY FOR GIGA TO ADD VECNA TO OUR EXISTING LINK IF THEY BOTH SUBMITTED REQUESTS TO LINK TO EACH OTHER. IF GIGA HAD NOT DIED, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ENTIRELY FRESH LINK BETWEEN GIGA AND VECNA, WITHOUT ME, BECAUSE I BROKE MY LINK WITH GIGA DUE TO THE FAKECLAIM AND THEIR FAILURE TO EVER SHOW UP.

Jesus fucking christ.

PEdit:

because it was a fucking stupid kill and active players would probably have shot for another active player like me, vecna or kid. I've realized that it was probably a bg now, but at the time i assumed that it was a disengaged lurker team making a weird kill.

..BG doesn't make sense? If BTD6 was a BG wouldn't BTD6 have flipped BG?

okay, now I'm pretty sure Math is scum because they have NO IDEA HOW TWO OF THE CENTRAL CONCEPTS OF THIS GAME WORK. They don't know how links work, and they don't know how dying vs. "dying" in only one reality works

vis a vis

flips. There is literally no reason to not have familiarised yourself with these concepts as town because they are clearly designed in such a way for town to be able to use them to get a leg up.

PEdit 2: I'm So Done With You

At any rate, were not lynching RM today. I have a way of confirming the allignment of people in my VR links (leaving my VR links after this claim is a scumclaim in itself). This is also the reason why i was pissed with kidamn for breaking his link the night giga died.

We need someone reliable to join our link tonight to confirm a number of things. Ill determine who this is to be later on during this day. This person can randomly chose between me and rm to link up, and well both link with this person.

This person can confirm a lot of things that im claiming here. He can also tell you guys which people tried to break the links with me, which as i stated already will be a scumclaim.

If i die you can always go ahead and lynch rm later if deemed the correct play by the person joining our hood.

I may or may not be bulletproof. I will start copping the people in my hood tonight.

This post specifically implies that Kid has a link with Vecna and was pissed for braking it the night Giga died. How did Kid have a link with Vecna without submitting it? If he broke his link with someone else that would be uncoppable per Vecna's claim.

Vecna's lying scum.

If you had ever bothered to read the rules behind a mechanic primarily designed for the town to use you would know why Vecna was pissed - presumably (although it's an odd scenario and not one I've actually asked Scout about) if Giga's link request + Vecna's had gone through and I hadn't left the, and I feel I need to make this clear,

link that only existed between myself and giga from N1 until N2

, Vecna would have ended up in a link with me and could then use his cop-variant that he is claiming, saving him another day of having to fuck around getting a link set up.

From this point on I'm going to assume Mathblade is scum because the alternative is that they have been going full Mathblade without even understanding how half of the mechanics work which is frankly depressing.

[KidAmn]

Also holy shit Math did all of those separate inchoate thoughts really need their own post? Tidy it up a little.

[KidAmn]

I would guess that until BTD6 fully dies, we don't get his full flip, regardless of him being BG or not

, as there are definitely other reasons the kill could have gone to the non-intended target, or, he could have been the intended target

I forget who/where it was (my brain is mush and I don't have the energy to go looking) but something someone said (vecna or rm?) made me think "oh they have definite awareness that BTD6 wasn't the intended target"

I mean, this is all literally in the rules post on how flips work if you're only dead in meatspace or VR, and not both, but hey, look who else hasn't bothered to read those 120 pages in for some reason

[KidAmn]

It would be nice if the 2 town on rm would stop voting there or were guaranteed to mislynch today.

Either drealmerz is scum, or kidamn and gerry are scum together.

I'd be interested to know why you think I'm with Gerry.

I

know it's wrong, but explain where you're coming from for me?

[KidAmn]

Yeah pepto should really either be replaced when the prodtimer comes up or be policylynched. 12 posts in 118 pages is completely unacceptable unless its a mafia ploy

We likely have about as much wiggle room for a policy lynch at this point as we do for lynching someone based off them responding to a point aimed at a group with the pronoun "we". Force replace the slot and/or make it talk.

[KidAmn]

@Vecna let's do Kid since you're so suspicious of Kid.

VOTE: KidAmn

Oh and if Random gets to L-1 I am hammering.

This stinks of "any old lynch will do" scum mentality/bargaining over actual scumhunting, and further damns you yet again for the reason I mentioned earlier.
But hey, here's a shovel - present an actual case on me. I'm waiting, I'm expecting more than a paragraph.

[KidAmn]

Vecna/anyone else who was involved in Civ Mafia: remember how hard Math tunnelled and how much effort they went into? VCAs, lengthy cases, strict adherence to their reads and aggressively shading anyone who disagreed with them? Look at that Math and tell me this Math is the same alignment honestly.

[KidAmn]

Btw, is there even another linked PT up atm?

Me, Rm and Drealz are linked.

KidAmn was linked to giga but broke it.

did anyone else form links at any point? We need to know, because its not at all unlikely that scum could have abilities that activate through being linked together (something similair to the abilities of our former lovers for example). People using excuses all the time that links are pro-mafia just isnt good enough and only makes me more suspicious of something else going on.

That makes Kid scum. No way Giga doesn't use a fucking hood.

what
that makes no sense
VOTE: mathblade
i refuse to believe this level of bullshit comes from town. you are making up so much shit to justify your contrived points of view.

It's also Math literally lying because RT openly said they had a reason not to be in VR on D2 before their fakeclaim:

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

Pedit: K.

vote: Mathblade

[KidAmn]

Btw, is there even another linked PT up atm?

Me, Rm and Drealz are linked.

KidAmn was linked to giga but broke it.

did anyone else form links at any point? We need to know, because its not at all unlikely that scum could have abilities that activate through being linked together (something similair to the abilities of our former lovers for example). People using excuses all the time that links are pro-mafia just isnt good enough and only makes me more suspicious of something else going on.

That makes Kid scum. No way Giga doesn't use a fucking hood.

what
that makes no sense
VOTE: mathblade
i refuse to believe this level of bullshit comes from town. you are making up so much shit to justify your contrived points of view.

It's also Math literally lying because RT openly said they had a reason not to be in VR on D2 before their fakeclaim:

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

Pedit: K.

vote: Mathblade

RC lies every game they are in.
I just misread why they lie.

I didn't believe them and RC would use a fucking hood.

"Yeah I know I said the opposite of what they said but they lied and for some reason didn't call you [Kid] out on it"

Also clearly you're not getting your story quite straight, because the other head of the hydra then posted on the same page:

MB, you do know my voting RT has nothing to do with you, right? keep it up though, you're doing great (it's kind of disconcerting and not sure what to make of it)

You're a townread. Voting my scumread. Why do I care if it is because of me?

Math, can you talk to me more about RT? I've been townreading them, and I don't have experience with Gigabyte (that I know of at least). Is your opening post about them all you're going on?

Also, are you sure about Maria? I was told this play was normal and town from someone (on mobile or I'd check)

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

and please DONT MENTION THIS IN THREAD GOOD FUCKING LORD WHAT DID I SAY D1 dusnebdjfhrvdjc

Vote RadiantTroubador

My pretty blue eyes will thank you with an Eiffel65 song if you ask nicely *wink* *wink*

i thought you and titus had brown eyes

Code cracked, scum caught, this is officially now the wagon for today and anyone who thinks otherwise is going full Civ Mafia.

[KidAmn]

EBWOP: and those first 2 quotes that are also on the same page are Clumsy coaching Mathblade further into their "scumread". QED BITCHES.

[KidAmn]

Yeah, that post got a little mangled in Pedit land, here it is again just so you can savour how caught-scum you are:

Btw, is there even another linked PT up atm?

Me, Rm and Drealz are linked.

KidAmn was linked to giga but broke it.

did anyone else form links at any point? We need to know, because its not at all unlikely that scum could have abilities that activate through being linked together (something similair to the abilities of our former lovers for example). People using excuses all the time that links are pro-mafia just isnt good enough and only makes me more suspicious of something else going on.

That makes Kid scum. No way Giga doesn't use a fucking hood.

what
that makes no sense
VOTE: mathblade
i refuse to believe this level of bullshit comes from town. you are making up so much shit to justify your contrived points of view.

It's also Math literally lying because RT openly said they had a reason not to be in VR on D2 before their fakeclaim:

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

Pedit: K.

vote: Mathblade

RC lies every game they are in.
I just misread why they lie.

I didn't believe them and RC would use a fucking hood.

"Yeah I know I said the opposite of what they said but they lied and for some reason didn't call you [Kid] out on it"

Also clearly you're not getting your story quite straight, because the other head of the hydra then posted on the same page:

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

and please DONT MENTION THIS IN THREAD GOOD FUCKING LORD WHAT DID I SAY D1 dusnebdjfhrvdjc

Vote RadiantTroubador

My pretty blue eyes will thank you with an Eiffel65 song if you ask nicely *wink* *wink*

i thought you and titus had brown eyes

And these two quotes later on the same page have Clumsy coaching Mathblade and drawing out their "scumread" on RT

MB, you do know my voting RT has nothing to do with you, right? keep it up though, you're doing great (it's kind of disconcerting and not sure what to make of it)

You're a townread. Voting my scumread. Why do I care if it is because of me?

Math, can you talk to me more about RT? I've been townreading them, and I don't have experience with Gigabyte (that I know of at least). Is your opening post about them all you're going on?

Also, are you sure about Maria? I was told this play was normal and town from someone (on mobile or I'd check)

Code cracked, scum caught, this is officially now the wagon for today and anyone who thinks otherwise is going full Civ Mafia.

PEdit: LMFAO HOLY SHIT I'VE SEEN APPEAL TO AUTHORITY BEFORE BUT "APPEAL TO SUCKING ASS" IS A NEW ONE

OKAY I'M DONE I HAVE WORK IN THE MORNING MATHBLADE WAGON GO

[KidAmn]

VOTE: KidAmn

If we don't link tonight and I get answers I am tunneling you to kingdom come because my gut says you are not a cop.

VOTE: KidAmn

I would hope Vecna knows better than to sheep Mathblade on something so stupid, but apparently not. How odd. Math is basically lock scum at this point. Look at Dreal/Gerry/Momo for the other scum. I'm not going to engage with this idiocy, I've pointed out Math contradicting themselves and the previous days events before and Vecna should frankly recognise this for not being anywhere near Maths town-play - but then he did change his claim from link cop to one shot with both claims being unprompted, so who the fuck knows any more. Mafia here really has turned into slinging shit until you see what sticks I guess.

Wake me up at L-1 and I'll slam dunk Math some more before you go through with another colossal fuck up.

[KidAmn]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Would appreciate it if you both stopped treating me like I am the worst mafia player ever when in Elemental Trinity I was vigged because I had almost all the scum nailed.

Yes Civ Mafia sucked hard. However I am swingy. I am working on reducing that swing.

I could easily find a game where you both sucked and say oh Vecna's a broken clock or KidAmn sucks because of Game X. But I don't. Why? Past right or wrongness doesn't mean jack here.

You're right, it's not you, it's what this place has become in the lasted years, and I apologise.

You're still scumteam though.

[KidAmn]

At work now. Got prod request. Will post later

That pepto post threw me a little. Weird they set up to vote me and math but not kid/dreal. Maybe makes them town?
Will post properly in a few hours on PC.

Nah it's NAI.

I am an easy target for pressure if you are scum.

[KidAmn]

Can't post substantially at work. I'm going to put an end to this bullshit when I get home. Anyone voting me from this point on will be taken as trying to power through a lynch on me before I can respond and should be treated accordingly going forward. If you continue afterwards, I honestly don't give a fuck, but I'll be fucked before I give Math another town to lead off the cliff regardless of their alignment (spoilers: theyre scum)

[KidAmn]

VOTE: KidAmn
starting to get gut pings here that I haven't been getting from dreal as much.
gerry, do you have reason to scumread me outside of the 'slip'?

^ this shit needs to stop. D4 lynches on gut reads is not how anyone should play fucking Mafia.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: KidAmn
starting to get gut pings here that I haven't been getting from dreal as much.
gerry, do you have reason to scumread me outside of the 'slip'?

works for me. It isn't just gut. You vs dreal is logical scumread and out of the two i think you are the more likely scum.

...what the fuck. Okay, no I'm interested in this fucking Mobius strip now, let's hear this twisted logic then

[KidAmn]

VOTE: KidAmn
starting to get gut pings here that I haven't been getting from dreal as much.
gerry, do you have reason to scumread me outside of the 'slip'?

^ this shit needs to stop. D4 lynches on gut reads is not how anyone should play fucking Mafia.

Some people play exclusively on gut.

Again you are trying to scare people that I am wrong. Versus actually addressing the multiple points brought up against you.

Some people probably shouldn't play Mafia then... And what points?! Seriously, where the fuck are these points? I'm literally asking for the case so I can fucking shred that and we can lynch scum. Come at me bro.

[KidAmn]

1) Yes my reads sucked that game except on MariaR and LeonShade and Beeboy
2) I'm not leading this game. I'm active and posting things and seeing how people respond to those things.
3) I think you're bussing.

4 and most importantly) Enjoy Persona 5. Persona 4 was amazing. Naoto...<3

Your reads are shit here too if you think I'm bussing. Not like I'm posting in code or something here, I literally said I doubted both Maria and rt, but gigs at least offered a reason to give them some trust for now which is more than Maria.

like self-voting is objectively bad play in most scenarios but to be anything close to a decent mafia player you have to be able to understand people are sometimes irrational and that's ok and not always disingenious. so imo the ppl who are like "SELFVOTE = LOCKSCUM" are the ones actually playing poorly because they arent developing a read based on motivation or emotional context but rather are trying to pigeonhole townplay into a neat little box.

WRONG! this is why town's suck in general around here, because they think this shit is okay

there are fundamentals to mafia, there are fundamentals to town play

self-voting DOES NOTHING EXCEPT SERVE SCUM, ever - if you do it as town, you're helping scum, JUST DON'T DO IT

it's very simple, and those who try to make it more complex are the players who are playing poorly and perpetuate bad-play on a deeper level that make scum's job easier and town's systematically worse

It's kinda funny how you've gone from arguing Maria is scum, to arguing on a policy level Maria's actions

help

scum. Just throwing that out there.

why is that funny?

also, I think maybe part of the fundamental that is getting missed here is that:

'if this is scum doing this, no way should they be allowed to get away with it' - and the only way scum DO get away with it is when ppl have giga's mindset, that it's okay to let them get away with it because "they could be just playing unreasonably" - it's inexcusable imo

The thing is, you're not actually arguing Maria is scum any more. You're arguing that a NAI behaviour is suboptimal and helps scum, and that we should lynch a claimed PR because of it. You essentially want to policy lynch her and are ignoring the claim because it came at L-1, the same place most claims come at.

Vote: Clumsy

I am not having another shitty wagon derail, we are lynching this today. Everyone who was utterly refusing to vote anywhere but Maria yesterday is either scum or intellectually challenged (Mathblade may in fact be both).

...Layoff the personal insults.
MariaR followed what I thought was her scum meta to a T. Did I mess up? Yes.

@Random why did link request fail?

VOTE: KidAmn

Fuck it. Policy til you fix your shit right now. I play mafia to get better socially.

However insulting the player BEHIND the screen is never something allowed so you can apologize or my vote stays.

Spoilers: this slot is very likely scum with Clum. "Policy lynching" D3 with no flipped town and a fake as hell AtE. People have literally been telling you you were wrong about Maria since your very first post and you barrelled ahead and mislynched them through a goddamn doctor claim based on a meta that clearly couldn't be applied to someone who wasn't 100% in the correct mindset for the game.

I will literally only accept either a Clumsy or Mathblade wagon today and anyone suggesting something else is likely their buddy derailing the wagons.

lynch maria

no, only cause i think clumsy is mafia goon and maria is an important maf PR. maybe something that can allow maf to do something important tonight

its funny when people lynch town cause they are OBVS MAFIA!!!!! and then call other people's reads dumb.

yes you made the mistake of lying TWO people who were town, not just one. but ok.

I still think you can be mafia, if maria flips an important mafia PR, which i think she is.

first she says i cant read her, now she says i can read her. then says im not mafia for pushing on her, now says i might be mafia for pushing on her

MARIA I'M SORRY, I WAS GONNA UNVOTE I SWEARZIES

Bullshit.

We're not lynching the Doctor claim! Great! Now let's all vote Clumsy.

Also don't fucking CC. If Maria is scum she wants to get lynched today so let's powerwagon Clumsy.

uh, no, we have to lynch maria

wtf ppl

PLEASE LEARN TO PLAY OMFG

WE ARE EITHER LYNCHING CLUMSY OR GETTING RID OF MATHBLADE SO SHE DOESN'T CIVILIZATION MAFIA THIS GAME. EITHER IS FINE. MARIA IS OFF THE TABLE.

you don't get to dictate shit

maria is L-2 and a great lynch, so fuck off with this shit

quit telling ppl "clumsy is the correct vote" and "clumsy is the lynch today" and "TRing clumsy's ISO is impossible" - can you make an actual case on clumsy that has to do with clumsy?

who said I have great reads on who is scum??? I certainly didn't say that

I didn't see the case on clumsy but I wasn't opposed to it either,

simple as that, especially after being incorrect 3 times previously no way was I going to speak up against it when I had no townlean on him, he was just a ? for me

"all 4 of you are super suspect right now" (2739) - but I'm not saying I have good scumreads now you guys, don't be silly, I never said those exact words so I never said it

And yeah, as the above shows, you had no issue trying to shut down Giga on Clumsy when it was the opposing lynch to Maria and then suddenly flipped around when it became clear that town were going all-in on Clumsy D3 (without ever actually committing your vote to it), the extent of your D3 posting was "yeah, I could go for Clumsy or Mathblade" (in the end, you never voted at all), poking at my comment on Mathblade's random multiball assertion, and

it definitely seems to me like gerry saw clumsy possibly getting lynched D1 (he was one of the 1st players that got a significant push/wagon potential) and was like "yeah I'll hop on that bus!!!" and has been prepared to do so ever since

MB is giving me a good amount of pings too

but these lurkers, I was thinking they'd come back around given that the first 2 Days were blehhhhhhh and then it was the weekend when D3 started, but, at this point, wtf is with these lurkers?

I also consider momo, the bulge, and zachstralkita to be lurkers

for me D3 is the day to start killing lurkers, any longer and you risk them making it too close to lylo for comfort to play the end of the game in a healthy way

games around here don't have enough vigs!

"hey guys we should totally kill the lurkers, D3 is lurker lynch time, let's get lurkers"

@Vecna let's do Kid since you're so suspicious of Kid.

VOTE: KidAmn

Oh and if Random gets to L-1 I am hammering.

This stinks of "any old lynch will do" scum mentality/bargaining over actual scumhunting, and further damns you yet again for the reason I mentioned earlier.
But hey, here's a shovel - present an actual case on me. I'm waiting, I'm expecting more than a paragraph.

Yeah, that post got a little mangled in Pedit land, here it is again just so you can savour how caught-scum you are:

Btw, is there even another linked PT up atm?

Me, Rm and Drealz are linked.

KidAmn was linked to giga but broke it.

did anyone else form links at any point? We need to know, because its not at all unlikely that scum could have abilities that activate through being linked together (something similair to the abilities of our former lovers for example). People using excuses all the time that links are pro-mafia just isnt good enough and only makes me more suspicious of something else going on.

That makes Kid scum. No way Giga doesn't use a fucking hood.

what
that makes no sense
VOTE: mathblade
i refuse to believe this level of bullshit comes from town. you are making up so much shit to justify your contrived points of view.

It's also Math literally lying because RT openly said they had a reason not to be in VR on D2 before their fakeclaim:

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

Pedit: K.

vote: Mathblade

RC lies every game they are in.
I just misread why they lie.

I didn't believe them and RC would use a fucking hood.

"Yeah I know I said the opposite of what they said but they lied and for some reason didn't call you [Kid] out on it"

Also clearly you're not getting your story quite straight, because the other head of the hydra then posted on the same page:

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

and please DONT MENTION THIS IN THREAD GOOD FUCKING LORD WHAT DID I SAY D1 dusnebdjfhrvdjc

Vote RadiantTroubador

My pretty blue eyes will thank you with an Eiffel65 song if you ask nicely *wink* *wink*

i thought you and titus had brown eyes

And these two quotes later on the same page have Clumsy coaching Mathblade and drawing out their "scumread" on RT

MB, you do know my voting RT has nothing to do with you, right? keep it up though, you're doing great (it's kind of disconcerting and not sure what to make of it)

You're a townread. Voting my scumread. Why do I care if it is because of me?

Math, can you talk to me more about RT? I've been townreading them, and I don't have experience with Gigabyte (that I know of at least). Is your opening post about them all you're going on?

Also, are you sure about Maria? I was told this play was normal and town from someone (on mobile or I'd check)

Code cracked, scum caught, this is officially now the wagon for today and anyone who thinks otherwise is going full Civ Mafia.

PEdit: LMFAO HOLY SHIT I'VE SEEN APPEAL TO AUTHORITY BEFORE BUT "APPEAL TO SUCKING ASS" IS A NEW ONE

OKAY I'M DONE I HAVE WORK IN THE MORNING MATHBLADE WAGON GO

VOTE: KidAmn
starting to get gut pings here that I haven't been getting from dreal as much.
gerry, do you have reason to scumread me outside of the 'slip'?

^ this shit needs to stop. D4 lynches on gut reads is not how anyone should play fucking Mafia.

Some people play exclusively on gut.

Again you are trying to scare people that I am wrong. Versus actually addressing the multiple points brought up against you.

Some people probably shouldn't play Mafia then... And what points?! Seriously, where the fuck are these points? I'm literally asking for the case so I can fucking shred that and we can lynch scum. Come at me bro.

Just collecting all these posts so people can look in one convenient place to find slam-fucking-dunked scum if this stupid fucking "gut" lynch goes through

HYPER-GIGA-MEGA DUNK ON MATHBLADE INCOMING + CLAIM TO GET THIS SHIT OVER WITH BECAUSE WITH HOW INACTIVE YOU FUCKERS ALL ARE AT THIS POINT I'M JUST GOING TO GO FULL FULL MATHBLADE AND LEAD YOU ALL TO THE SCUM AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS WILD RIDE FEEL FREE TO GET OFF NOW

[KidAmn]

No.

WHERE'S YOUR CASE SCUM

[KidAmn]

Clumsy - [3] MariaR, gigabyteTroubadour, KidAmn

this wagon is totally the scumteam guys

Clumsy no. The others likely.

A wagon that forms in response to TWO FUCKING CLAIMED PRs and involves 3 PEOPLE WHO UNVOTED MARIA ^{(admittedly one is Maria but we've discussed that)} AFTER EXPRESSING DOUBT ABOUT CLUMSY is the scumteam. Math, stop and think for a second here. If you really think the majority of a potential scum team would all hop straight off a bus and onto a mislynch, you are beyond help.

If that is RC working with me I would hate to see what is not working with me.

I townread Zach and he disagrees with me.

Seriously. WTF Kid?

Not how you talk to a scumread.

@drealmerz Zach posted but it was useless fluff.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE PERSPECTIVES EVOLVE OVER THE COURSE OF 600+POSTS

AND YOUR FAILURE TO ADDRESS ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT POST IS NOTED

HYPER MEGA GIGA DUNK DOWNGRADED TO MERELY "HYPER MEGA DUNK" AND DELAYED SLIGHTLY BECAUSE MATH IS DUNKING THEMSELVES AND I NEED TO CHECK A THING WITH THE SCOUT

[KidAmn]

> Simulation world = new Simulation(0.7455,9.81,structure.loadGeo(b-ball));
> system.initiate();
Initializing Dunk Machine... Done.
Checking latest baller stream... Done.
Loading Dunk Interface... Done.
Ready to start Project mathDunk. Good luck, sir.
> world.createNew(Utopia minusScum);
Command executed. Welcoming to the jam... Done.

SO I PROMISED A HYPER MEGA GIGA SOMETHING SOMETHING DUNK WHICH I MAY HAVE SLIGHTLY OVERSOLD BUT GODDAMN IT I'M WAKING THIS FUCKING GAME UP REGARDLESS

HERE WE GO KIDS

WHOOOO LIVES IN A PI-

SHIT WAIT NO

OKAY SO, REMEMBER THIS POST MATHBLADE MADE D2

...I am the crumb whisperer.
I found doc after one post in Shadowrun.

That is not my point.
The first part about a weak post is accurate.
You also can't pressure her in a scum way. My problem is you were actively stating reasons without a real campaign behind it. In Open 665 and PyP you practically flew the "Math is scum" wagon in both of them and never let go. Here is it is "Okay here are some lame ass reasons so MariaR can AtE mislynch candidate on D1"

The guy who would pressure you is dead. I find that convenient for you. Too convenient.

...I am the crumb whisperer.

SO JUST TO BE 102% CLEAR MATH IS CLAIMING THEY ARE A GOD AT PICKING UP ON CRUMBS

BUT KID, MATHBLADE IS PUSHING YOU FOR SCUM, SURELY THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT IF YOU HAD NEATLY LAID A CRUMB TRAIL FOR THE LAST 3 DAYS?

SORRY LIL JOHNNY, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MATHBLADE IS DOING BECAUSE THEY'RE SCUM WHO HAVE NOTICED SEVERAL OBVIOUS CRUMBS AND ARE TRYING THEIR DAMNEDEST TO PUSH THIS WAGON THROUGH ACCUSING ME OF "SCARING PEOPLE OFF THEM" (SEE PREVIOUS POSTS FOR WHY THIS IS STRAIGHT GRADE A WAGYU-TUSHIE - YEAH I THINK THEY'RE NOT THE GREATEST AS TOWN AFTER CIV BUT THIS IS SCUMMIER THAN A COLLEGE DORM TOILET AFTER A KEGGER AND I THINK I'VE DEMONSTRATED WHY)

OH, AND THE BEST PART? I LITERALLY SPELT IT OUT FOR THEM

Especially since we are lynching RM. since he lied to me if he is in a hood made the first night I replaced in.

Again you and RM are probably scum.

Pick anyone besides KidAmn or RM.

Who is the scum in drealmerz and gerry? There is at least 1 scum pushing on this fake slip.

Youbknow just as well thats the thing scum always push on, and its happening here.

Neither if the slip is real which I think it is.

JFC there is no fucking slip, Dreal referred to a group of people and Random used "we" to reply

Dreal/Math/1 more for scum, GG no re

Math isn't this stupid as town (despite what some may think) and they 100% would not be advancing me as scum if they were doing what they claimed to be so proud of doing earlier in the game

AND THEY KEPT GOING

ANYWAY HERE WE GO, HOPE YOU'VE ALL GOT MUNCHIES BECAUSE I GOT A HAM DAMN SANDWICH ON THIS GAME

Btw, is there even another linked PT up atm?

Me, Rm and Drealz are linked.

KidAmn was linked to giga but broke it.

did anyone else form links at any point? We need to know, because its not at all unlikely that scum could have abilities that activate through being linked together (something similair to the abilities of our former lovers for example). People using excuses all the time that links are pro-mafia just isnt good enough and only makes me more suspicious of something else going on.

That makes Kid scum. No way Giga doesn't use a fucking hood.

what
that makes no sense
VOTE: mathblade
i refuse to believe this level of bullshit comes from town. you are making up so much shit to justify your contrived points of view.

It's also Math literally lying because RT openly said they had a reason not to be in VR on D2 before their fakeclaim:

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

Pedit: K.

vote: Mathblade

RC lies every game they are in.
I just misread why they lie.

I didn't believe them and RC would use a fucking hood.

"Yeah I know I said the opposite of what they said but they lied and for some reason didn't call you [Kid] out on it"

Also clearly you're not getting your story quite straight, because the other head of the hydra then posted on the same page:

MB, you do know my voting RT has nothing to do with you, right? keep it up though, you're doing great (it's kind of disconcerting and not sure what to make of it)

You're a townread. Voting my scumread. Why do I care if it is because of me?

Math, can you talk to me more about RT? I've been townreading them, and I don't have experience with Gigabyte (that I know of at least). Is your opening post about them all you're going on?

Also, are you sure about Maria? I was told this play was normal and town from someone (on mobile or I'd check)

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

and please DONT MENTION THIS IN THREAD GOOD FUCKING LORD WHAT DID I SAY D1 dusnebdjfhrvdjc

Vote RadiantTroubador

My pretty blue eyes will thank you with an Eiffel65 song if you ask nicely *wink* *wink*

i thought you and titus had brown eyes

Code cracked, scum caught, this is officially now the wagon for today and anyone who thinks otherwise is going full Civ Mafia.

one does not equal the other how is htat hard to understand?

oh you must be scum!

Completely ignored my other point: check
Actually trying to argue that saying "you 4 are super suspect" isn't scumreading people: check
Instantly leaping to calling me scum for suspecting you: check

CODE CRACKED

BOOK EM DANNO

we see you making it up

Well yeah, I'm literally typing the post and thinking of how to put down your contrived scumread on me based on feels and things that are consistent with my town meta. Go ahead and tell me how fake this one feels too - I'll go get my

List

of bitching takedowns ready.

(OKAY THIS IS A LITTLE MORE OF A STRETCH SINCE IT REQUIRES YOU TO BE FAMILIAR WITH CHRIS JERICHO'S LATEST GIMMICK, THE "LIST OF JERICHO" AND KNOW HIS SIGNATURE MOVE IS THE CODEBREAKER BUT I COULDN'T MAKE IT TOO EASY FOR THE GODDAMN CRUMB WHISPERER BUT I PURPOSELY CAPITALISED IT AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO BACK AND CHECK)

1) Yes my reads sucked that game except on MariaR and LeonShade and Beeboy
2) I'm not leading this game. I'm active and posting things and seeing how people respond to those things.
3) I think you're bussing.

4 and most importantly) Enjoy Persona 5. Persona 4 was amazing. Naoto...<3

Your reads are shit here too if you think I'm bussing.

Not like I'm posting in code or something here

, I literally said I doubted both Maria and rt, but gigs at least offered a reason to give them some trust for now which is more than Maria.

I AM BRAD DAVIS, THE ODD-DAY ENCRYPTOR - AS LONG AS I REMAIN ALIVE, ALL NON-FACTIONAL (IE. NOT SCUM) PRIVATE TOPICS REMAIN USABLE ON ODD DAYS

(HI VECNA)

AND THE BEST PART IS I'VE BEEN FUCKING CRUMBING IT FOR 3 DAYS STRAIGHT AND YET APPARENTLY THE CRUMB WHISPERER DIDN'T JUST NOT NOTICE, BUT WAS SO THREATENED BY ME PUSHING THEM THAT THEY STARTED LITERALLY LYING ABOUT MY PUSH ON THEM AND THEIR RESPONSE TO ME SHOWING THEIR LIE TO BE... WELL, A GODDAMN LIE?

No.

Vote: MathBlade

YES I'M ALREADY ON IT BUT GODDAMN IF I'M NOT DOING IT AGAIN FOR EMPHASIS

(INCIDENTALLY ASSUMING YOU LAZY LOVABLE SONS OF BITCHES DON'T FOLLOW THE SCUM INTO LYNCHING ME I'M PROBABLY DEAD NOW REGARDLESS SINCE SHUTTING OFF PTS IS KINDA GOOD FOR SCUM BUT I'M HONESTLY KIND OF TIRED OF HOW USELESS MOST OF YOU ARE SO LET'S DO THIS (^{LEEEEEEERROOOOOY}_JEEEEEENKINS)

[KidAmn]

(also apologies for the hard caps and the language but this game is DYING ON IT'S FEET and you all need to wake up and I'm going to grab you by the neck and drag you all over the finish line myself if I have to)

[KidAmn]

omg I just found out who leroy jenkins was the other day

well I just saw 1 short video clip with him play WoW anyway, only watched it because the person who posted it

I was like "wtf is this guy posting a WoW clip" (he definitely doesn't play WoW, and I hate WoW)

I'M SO GOSH DARNED GLAD THIS IS WHAT YOU TOOK FROM THAT POST FRIEND

[KidAmn]

Encryptors can and do get assigned to scum.

It makes more sense KidAmn is scum here than Town to balance the power hoods give.

No. It is not. It is merely angry that I do not do as he wishes. He wishes to me to be scum and argue. Instead when I flip he will be obvScum. So I have no concerns over defending myself from an illogical, raving player who wants me to do things. He wants the thread clogged up. Instead I will just repeat my point st L-1

For the creds. Claiming at l-1 would be suspicious but no one suspects scum claim before L-1.

Coasted to victory in Shadowrun while claiming Jailkeeper.

If anything Kid as town would keep that secret. Revealing it is scummy as fuck.

REMINDER THAT MATH HAS STILL FAILED TO PRESENT AN ACTUAL CASE FOR ME AS SCUM OTHER THAN "HES SCARING PEOPLE OFF ME"

REMINDER THAT MATH HAS COMPLETELY FAILED TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE ACTUAL POINTS I MADE AND IS NOW HIDING BEHIND "HES JUST MAD IM NOT ARGUING, HES CLOGGING THE THREAD UP" (because being tired of this slowass game is suddenly a scumtell)

REMINDER THAT AT NO POINT HAS MATH IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DOZEN PAGES ENGAGED WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN "NO UR SCUM CUZ I SAID SO"

And, y'know, let's stop and think for a second - Math is claiming that my role totally makes sense as scum because... Giving town the chance to randomly fuck themselves out of their PTs if they lynch the wrong scum D1 is apparently how you balance a mechanic like day-talk? MathBlade hasn't provided a legitimate argument with actual alignment indicative tells for me as scum in the whole game. When pressed for a case they refuse to present one. The wagon against them hit THE SAME STALLING POINT AS THE CLUMSY WAGON while they tried to establish a counterwagons on me. 2+2=4.

[KidAmn]

For the creds.

Claiming at l-1 would be suspicious but no one suspects scum claim before L-1.

Coasted to victory in Shadowrun while claiming Jailkeeper.

And yet you're fine with Vecna's unprompted claim? Also lol at "claiming at L-1 would be suspicious" after the clusterfuck that was your MariaR lynch. Claiming at L-1 is the norm and you are desperately wriggling now. Mathblade lynch needs to happen today, end of. I will not be moving my vote today short of an open scumclaim from someone else.

Also, youre scum because I say so

Claiming a PR is not a replacement for actual scumhunting. Explain the Gerry case some more.

[KidAmn]

@Vecna let's do Kid since you're so suspicious of Kid.

VOTE: KidAmn

Oh and if Random gets to L-1 I am hammering.

This is not a post someone who suspects you as scum makes. Math has written a lot of words about their critical failure to understand the link mechanics and put you in their scum list a lot, but has never ever actually committed to pushing you. Then they tried to sheep on your prior read on me. How often exactly are town in the habit of sleeping on their scumreads?

[KidAmn]

So the Gerry case is a gut feeling he's not really playing to his town meta. That's your case on D4.

I'm fucking done.

[KidAmn]

I should be able to actually play now, would someone like to give me a few bullet points on what's been going on

• Math is scum
  
• The scumteam is comprised of some number of players who include Math
  
• Scum is Math
  
• Math is still lying and saying I only want them lynched because "OMG UR SO BAD"
  
• Math is still ignoring the actual case I've had on them for several days now

Now vote Math.

[KidAmn]

Hi Titus.

1) Yes my reads sucked that game except on MariaR and LeonShade and Beeboy
2) I'm not leading this game. I'm active and posting things and seeing how people respond to those things.
3) I think you're bussing.

4 and most importantly) Enjoy Persona 5. Persona 4 was amazing. Naoto...<3

Your reads are shit here too if you think I'm bussing. Not like I'm posting in code or something here, I literally said I doubted both Maria and rt, but gigs at least offered a reason to give them some trust for now which is more than Maria.

like self-voting is objectively bad play in most scenarios but to be anything close to a decent mafia player you have to be able to understand people are sometimes irrational and that's ok and not always disingenious. so imo the ppl who are like "SELFVOTE = LOCKSCUM" are the ones actually playing poorly because they arent developing a read based on motivation or emotional context but rather are trying to pigeonhole townplay into a neat little box.

WRONG! this is why town's suck in general around here, because they think this shit is okay

there are fundamentals to mafia, there are fundamentals to town play

self-voting DOES NOTHING EXCEPT SERVE SCUM, ever - if you do it as town, you're helping scum, JUST DON'T DO IT

it's very simple, and those who try to make it more complex are the players who are playing poorly and perpetuate bad-play on a deeper level that make scum's job easier and town's systematically worse

It's kinda funny how you've gone from arguing Maria is scum, to arguing on a policy level Maria's actions

help

scum. Just throwing that out there.

why is that funny?

also, I think maybe part of the fundamental that is getting missed here is that:

'if this is scum doing this, no way should they be allowed to get away with it' - and the only way scum DO get away with it is when ppl have giga's mindset, that it's okay to let them get away with it because "they could be just playing unreasonably" - it's inexcusable imo

The thing is, you're not actually arguing Maria is scum any more. You're arguing that a NAI behaviour is suboptimal and helps scum, and that we should lynch a claimed PR because of it. You essentially want to policy lynch her and are ignoring the claim because it came at L-1, the same place most claims come at.

Vote: Clumsy

I am not having another shitty wagon derail, we are lynching this today. Everyone who was utterly refusing to vote anywhere but Maria yesterday is either scum or intellectually challenged (Mathblade may in fact be both).

...Layoff the personal insults.
MariaR followed what I thought was her scum meta to a T. Did I mess up? Yes.

@Random why did link request fail?

VOTE: KidAmn

Fuck it. Policy til you fix your shit right now. I play mafia to get better socially.

However insulting the player BEHIND the screen is never something allowed so you can apologize or my vote stays.

Spoilers: this slot is very likely scum with Clum. "Policy lynching" D3 with no flipped town and a fake as hell AtE. People have literally been telling you you were wrong about Maria since your very first post and you barrelled ahead and mislynched them through a goddamn doctor claim based on a meta that clearly couldn't be applied to someone who wasn't 100% in the correct mindset for the game.

I will literally only accept either a Clumsy or Mathblade wagon today and anyone suggesting something else is likely their buddy derailing the wagons.

lynch maria

no, only cause i think clumsy is mafia goon and maria is an important maf PR. maybe something that can allow maf to do something important tonight

its funny when people lynch town cause they are OBVS MAFIA!!!!! and then call other people's reads dumb.

yes you made the mistake of lying TWO people who were town, not just one. but ok.

I still think you can be mafia, if maria flips an important mafia PR, which i think she is.

first she says i cant read her, now she says i can read her. then says im not mafia for pushing on her, now says i might be mafia for pushing on her

MARIA I'M SORRY, I WAS GONNA UNVOTE I SWEARZIES

Bullshit.

We're not lynching the Doctor claim! Great! Now let's all vote Clumsy.

Also don't fucking CC. If Maria is scum she wants to get lynched today so let's powerwagon Clumsy.

uh, no, we have to lynch maria

wtf ppl

PLEASE LEARN TO PLAY OMFG

WE ARE EITHER LYNCHING CLUMSY OR GETTING RID OF MATHBLADE SO SHE DOESN'T CIVILIZATION MAFIA THIS GAME. EITHER IS FINE. MARIA IS OFF THE TABLE.

you don't get to dictate shit

maria is L-2 and a great lynch, so fuck off with this shit

quit telling ppl "clumsy is the correct vote" and "clumsy is the lynch today" and "TRing clumsy's ISO is impossible" - can you make an actual case on clumsy that has to do with clumsy?

who said I have great reads on who is scum??? I certainly didn't say that

I didn't see the case on clumsy but I wasn't opposed to it either,

simple as that, especially after being incorrect 3 times previously no way was I going to speak up against it when I had no townlean on him, he was just a ? for me

"all 4 of you are super suspect right now" (2739) - but I'm not saying I have good scumreads now you guys, don't be silly, I never said those exact words so I never said it

And yeah, as the above shows, you had no issue trying to shut down Giga on Clumsy when it was the opposing lynch to Maria and then suddenly flipped around when it became clear that town were going all-in on Clumsy D3 (without ever actually committing your vote to it), the extent of your D3 posting was "yeah, I could go for Clumsy or Mathblade" (in the end, you never voted at all), poking at my comment on Mathblade's random multiball assertion, and

it definitely seems to me like gerry saw clumsy possibly getting lynched D1 (he was one of the 1st players that got a significant push/wagon potential) and was like "yeah I'll hop on that bus!!!" and has been prepared to do so ever since

MB is giving me a good amount of pings too

but these lurkers, I was thinking they'd come back around given that the first 2 Days were blehhhhhhh and then it was the weekend when D3 started, but, at this point, wtf is with these lurkers?

I also consider momo, the bulge, and zachstralkita to be lurkers

for me D3 is the day to start killing lurkers, any longer and you risk them making it too close to lylo for comfort to play the end of the game in a healthy way

games around here don't have enough vigs!

"hey guys we should totally kill the lurkers, D3 is lurker lynch time, let's get lurkers"

@Vecna let's do Kid since you're so suspicious of Kid.

VOTE: KidAmn

Oh and if Random gets to L-1 I am hammering.

This stinks of "any old lynch will do" scum mentality/bargaining over actual scumhunting, and further damns you yet again for the reason I mentioned earlier.
But hey, here's a shovel - present an actual case on me. I'm waiting, I'm expecting more than a paragraph.

Yeah, that post got a little mangled in Pedit land, here it is again just so you can savour how caught-scum you are:

Btw, is there even another linked PT up atm?

Me, Rm and Drealz are linked.

KidAmn was linked to giga but broke it.

did anyone else form links at any point? We need to know, because its not at all unlikely that scum could have abilities that activate through being linked together (something similair to the abilities of our former lovers for example). People using excuses all the time that links are pro-mafia just isnt good enough and only makes me more suspicious of something else going on.

That makes Kid scum. No way Giga doesn't use a fucking hood.

what
that makes no sense
VOTE: mathblade
i refuse to believe this level of bullshit comes from town. you are making up so much shit to justify your contrived points of view.

It's also Math literally lying because RT openly said they had a reason not to be in VR on D2 before their fakeclaim:

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

Pedit: K.

vote: Mathblade

RC lies every game they are in.
I just misread why they lie.

I didn't believe them and RC would use a fucking hood.

"Yeah I know I said the opposite of what they said but they lied and for some reason didn't call you [Kid] out on it"

Also clearly you're not getting your story quite straight, because the other head of the hydra then posted on the same page:

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

and please DONT MENTION THIS IN THREAD GOOD FUCKING LORD WHAT DID I SAY D1 dusnebdjfhrvdjc

Vote RadiantTroubador

My pretty blue eyes will thank you with an Eiffel65 song if you ask nicely *wink* *wink*

i thought you and titus had brown eyes

And these two quotes later on the same page have Clumsy coaching Mathblade and drawing out their "scumread" on RT

MB, you do know my voting RT has nothing to do with you, right? keep it up though, you're doing great (it's kind of disconcerting and not sure what to make of it)

You're a townread. Voting my scumread. Why do I care if it is because of me?

Math, can you talk to me more about RT? I've been townreading them, and I don't have experience with Gigabyte (that I know of at least). Is your opening post about them all you're going on?

Also, are you sure about Maria? I was told this play was normal and town from someone (on mobile or I'd check)

Code cracked, scum caught, this is officially now the wagon for today and anyone who thinks otherwise is going full Civ Mafia.

PEdit: LMFAO HOLY SHIT I'VE SEEN APPEAL TO AUTHORITY BEFORE BUT "APPEAL TO SUCKING ASS" IS A NEW ONE

OKAY I'M DONE I HAVE WORK IN THE MORNING MATHBLADE WAGON GO

VOTE: KidAmn
starting to get gut pings here that I haven't been getting from dreal as much.
gerry, do you have reason to scumread me outside of the 'slip'?

^ this shit needs to stop. D4 lynches on gut reads is not how anyone should play fucking Mafia.

Some people play exclusively on gut.

Again you are trying to scare people that I am wrong. Versus actually addressing the multiple points brought up against you.

Some people probably shouldn't play Mafia then... And what points?! Seriously, where the fuck are these points? I'm literally asking for the case so I can fucking shred that and we can lynch scum. Come at me bro.

Just collecting all these posts so people can look in one convenient place to find slam-fucking-dunked scum if this stupid fucking "gut" lynch goes through

HYPER-GIGA-MEGA DUNK ON MATHBLADE INCOMING + CLAIM TO GET THIS SHIT OVER WITH BECAUSE WITH HOW INACTIVE YOU FUCKERS ALL ARE AT THIS POINT I'M JUST GOING TO GO FULL FULL MATHBLADE AND LEAD YOU ALL TO THE SCUM AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS WILD RIDE FEEL FREE TO GET OFF NOW

Clumsy - [3] MariaR, gigabyteTroubadour, KidAmn

this wagon is totally the scumteam guys

Clumsy no. The others likely.

A wagon that forms in response to TWO FUCKING CLAIMED PRs and involves 3 PEOPLE WHO UNVOTED MARIA ^{(admittedly one is Maria but we've discussed that)} AFTER EXPRESSING DOUBT ABOUT CLUMSY is the scumteam. Math, stop and think for a second here. If you really think the majority of a potential scum team would all hop straight off a bus and onto a mislynch, you are beyond help.

If that is RC working with me I would hate to see what is not working with me.

I townread Zach and he disagrees with me.

Seriously. WTF Kid?

Not how you talk to a scumread.

@drealmerz Zach posted but it was useless fluff.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE PERSPECTIVES EVOLVE OVER THE COURSE OF 600+POSTS

AND YOUR FAILURE TO ADDRESS ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT POST IS NOTED

HYPER MEGA GIGA DUNK DOWNGRADED TO MERELY "HYPER MEGA DUNK" AND DELAYED SLIGHTLY BECAUSE MATH IS DUNKING THEMSELVES AND I NEED TO CHECK A THING WITH THE SCOUT

> Simulation world = new Simulation(0.7455,9.81,structure.loadGeo(b-ball));
> system.initiate();
Initializing Dunk Machine... Done.
Checking latest baller stream... Done.
Loading Dunk Interface... Done.
Ready to start Project mathDunk. Good luck, sir.
> world.createNew(Utopia minusScum);
Command executed. Welcoming to the jam... Done.

SO I PROMISED A HYPER MEGA GIGA SOMETHING SOMETHING DUNK WHICH I MAY HAVE SLIGHTLY OVERSOLD BUT GODDAMN IT I'M WAKING THIS FUCKING GAME UP REGARDLESS

HERE WE GO KIDS

WHOOOO LIVES IN A PI-

SHIT WAIT NO

OKAY SO, REMEMBER THIS POST MATHBLADE MADE D2

...I am the crumb whisperer.
I found doc after one post in Shadowrun.

That is not my point.
The first part about a weak post is accurate.
You also can't pressure her in a scum way. My problem is you were actively stating reasons without a real campaign behind it. In Open 665 and PyP you practically flew the "Math is scum" wagon in both of them and never let go. Here is it is "Okay here are some lame ass reasons so MariaR can AtE mislynch candidate on D1"

The guy who would pressure you is dead. I find that convenient for you. Too convenient.

...I am the crumb whisperer.

SO JUST TO BE 102% CLEAR MATH IS CLAIMING THEY ARE A GOD AT PICKING UP ON CRUMBS

BUT KID, MATHBLADE IS PUSHING YOU FOR SCUM, SURELY THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT IF YOU HAD NEATLY LAID A CRUMB TRAIL FOR THE LAST 3 DAYS?

SORRY LIL JOHNNY, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MATHBLADE IS DOING BECAUSE THEY'RE SCUM WHO HAVE NOTICED SEVERAL OBVIOUS CRUMBS AND ARE TRYING THEIR DAMNEDEST TO PUSH THIS WAGON THROUGH ACCUSING ME OF "SCARING PEOPLE OFF THEM" (SEE PREVIOUS POSTS FOR WHY THIS IS STRAIGHT GRADE A WAGYU-TUSHIE - YEAH I THINK THEY'RE NOT THE GREATEST AS TOWN AFTER CIV BUT THIS IS SCUMMIER THAN A COLLEGE DORM TOILET AFTER A KEGGER AND I THINK I'VE DEMONSTRATED WHY)

OH, AND THE BEST PART? I LITERALLY SPELT IT OUT FOR THEM

Especially since we are lynching RM. since he lied to me if he is in a hood made the first night I replaced in.

Again you and RM are probably scum.

Pick anyone besides KidAmn or RM.

Who is the scum in drealmerz and gerry? There is at least 1 scum pushing on this fake slip.

Youbknow just as well thats the thing scum always push on, and its happening here.

Neither if the slip is real which I think it is.

JFC there is no fucking slip, Dreal referred to a group of people and Random used "we" to reply

Dreal/Math/1 more for scum, GG no re

Math isn't this stupid as town (despite what some may think) and they 100% would not be advancing me as scum if they were doing what they claimed to be so proud of doing earlier in the game

AND THEY KEPT GOING

ANYWAY HERE WE GO, HOPE YOU'VE ALL GOT MUNCHIES BECAUSE I GOT A HAM DAMN SANDWICH ON THIS GAME

Btw, is there even another linked PT up atm?

Me, Rm and Drealz are linked.

KidAmn was linked to giga but broke it.

did anyone else form links at any point? We need to know, because its not at all unlikely that scum could have abilities that activate through being linked together (something similair to the abilities of our former lovers for example). People using excuses all the time that links are pro-mafia just isnt good enough and only makes me more suspicious of something else going on.

That makes Kid scum. No way Giga doesn't use a fucking hood.

what
that makes no sense
VOTE: mathblade
i refuse to believe this level of bullshit comes from town. you are making up so much shit to justify your contrived points of view.

It's also Math literally lying because RT openly said they had a reason not to be in VR on D2 before their fakeclaim:

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

Pedit: K.

vote: Mathblade

RC lies every game they are in.
I just misread why they lie.

I didn't believe them and RC would use a fucking hood.

"Yeah I know I said the opposite of what they said but they lied and for some reason didn't call you [Kid] out on it"

Also clearly you're not getting your story quite straight, because the other head of the hydra then posted on the same page:

MB, you do know my voting RT has nothing to do with you, right? keep it up though, you're doing great (it's kind of disconcerting and not sure what to make of it)

You're a townread. Voting my scumread. Why do I care if it is because of me?

Math, can you talk to me more about RT? I've been townreading them, and I don't have experience with Gigabyte (that I know of at least). Is your opening post about them all you're going on?

Also, are you sure about Maria? I was told this play was normal and town from someone (on mobile or I'd check)

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

and please DONT MENTION THIS IN THREAD GOOD FUCKING LORD WHAT DID I SAY D1 dusnebdjfhrvdjc

Vote RadiantTroubador

My pretty blue eyes will thank you with an Eiffel65 song if you ask nicely *wink* *wink*

i thought you and titus had brown eyes

Code cracked, scum caught, this is officially now the wagon for today and anyone who thinks otherwise is going full Civ Mafia.

one does not equal the other how is htat hard to understand?

oh you must be scum!

Completely ignored my other point: check
Actually trying to argue that saying "you 4 are super suspect" isn't scumreading people: check
Instantly leaping to calling me scum for suspecting you: check

CODE CRACKED

BOOK EM DANNO

we see you making it up

Well yeah, I'm literally typing the post and thinking of how to put down your contrived scumread on me based on feels and things that are consistent with my town meta. Go ahead and tell me how fake this one feels too - I'll go get my

List

of bitching takedowns ready.

(OKAY THIS IS A LITTLE MORE OF A STRETCH SINCE IT REQUIRES YOU TO BE FAMILIAR WITH CHRIS JERICHO'S LATEST GIMMICK, THE "LIST OF JERICHO" AND KNOW HIS SIGNATURE MOVE IS THE CODEBREAKER BUT I COULDN'T MAKE IT TOO EASY FOR THE GODDAMN CRUMB WHISPERER BUT I PURPOSELY CAPITALISED IT AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO BACK AND CHECK)

1) Yes my reads sucked that game except on MariaR and LeonShade and Beeboy
2) I'm not leading this game. I'm active and posting things and seeing how people respond to those things.
3) I think you're bussing.

4 and most importantly) Enjoy Persona 5. Persona 4 was amazing. Naoto...<3

Your reads are shit here too if you think I'm bussing.

Not like I'm posting in code or something here

, I literally said I doubted both Maria and rt, but gigs at least offered a reason to give them some trust for now which is more than Maria.

I AM BRAD DAVIS, THE ODD-DAY ENCRYPTOR - AS LONG AS I REMAIN ALIVE, ALL NON-FACTIONAL (IE. NOT SCUM) PRIVATE TOPICS REMAIN USABLE ON ODD DAYS

(HI VECNA)

AND THE BEST PART IS I'VE BEEN FUCKING CRUMBING IT FOR 3 DAYS STRAIGHT AND YET APPARENTLY THE CRUMB WHISPERER DIDN'T JUST NOT NOTICE, BUT WAS SO THREATENED BY ME PUSHING THEM THAT THEY STARTED LITERALLY LYING ABOUT MY PUSH ON THEM AND THEIR RESPONSE TO ME SHOWING THEIR LIE TO BE... WELL, A GODDAMN LIE?

No.

Vote: MathBlade

YES I'M ALREADY ON IT BUT GODDAMN IF I'M NOT DOING IT AGAIN FOR EMPHASIS

(INCIDENTALLY ASSUMING YOU LAZY LOVABLE SONS OF BITCHES DON'T FOLLOW THE SCUM INTO LYNCHING ME I'M PROBABLY DEAD NOW REGARDLESS SINCE SHUTTING OFF PTS IS KINDA GOOD FOR SCUM BUT I'M HONESTLY KIND OF TIRED OF HOW USELESS MOST OF YOU ARE SO LET'S DO THIS (^{LEEEEEEERROOOOOY}_JEEEEEENKINS)

Encryptors can and do get assigned to scum.

It makes more sense KidAmn is scum here than Town to balance the power hoods give.

No. It is not. It is merely angry that I do not do as he wishes. He wishes to me to be scum and argue. Instead when I flip he will be obvScum. So I have no concerns over defending myself from an illogical, raving player who wants me to do things. He wants the thread clogged up. Instead I will just repeat my point st L-1

For the creds. Claiming at l-1 would be suspicious but no one suspects scum claim before L-1.

Coasted to victory in Shadowrun while claiming Jailkeeper.

If anything Kid as town would keep that secret. Revealing it is scummy as fuck.

REMINDER THAT MATH HAS STILL FAILED TO PRESENT AN ACTUAL CASE FOR ME AS SCUM OTHER THAN "HES SCARING PEOPLE OFF ME"

REMINDER THAT MATH HAS COMPLETELY FAILED TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE ACTUAL POINTS I MADE AND IS NOW HIDING BEHIND "HES JUST MAD IM NOT ARGUING, HES CLOGGING THE THREAD UP" (because being tired of this slowass game is suddenly a scumtell)

REMINDER THAT AT NO POINT HAS MATH IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DOZEN PAGES ENGAGED WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN "NO UR SCUM CUZ I SAID SO"

And, y'know, let's stop and think for a second - Math is claiming that my role totally makes sense as scum because... Giving town the chance to randomly fuck themselves out of their PTs if they lynch the wrong scum D1 is apparently how you balance a mechanic like day-talk? MathBlade hasn't provided a legitimate argument with actual alignment indicative tells for me as scum in the whole game. When pressed for a case they refuse to present one. The wagon against them hit THE SAME STALLING POINT AS THE CLUMSY WAGON while they tried to establish a counterwagons on me. 2+2=4.

@Vecna let's do Kid since you're so suspicious of Kid.

VOTE: KidAmn

Oh and if Random gets to L-1 I am hammering.

This is not a post someone who suspects you as scum makes. Math has written a lot of words about their critical failure to understand the link mechanics and put you in their scum list a lot, but has never ever actually committed to pushing you. Then they tried to sheep on your prior read on me. How often exactly are town in the habit of sleeping on their scumreads?

Imagine Jada Pinkett-Smith is a giant neon sign saying Vote Mathblade

Then bold those words and put them in a post, thanks

[KidAmn]

Im wondering what people think about the fact that KidAmn didnt feel like crumbing his role untill much later. Everyone loves to talk about my claim, but what about that claim?

The crumbs came later, after he was firmly under pressure. After it was stated I was in a hood, he wouldve known I shouldve felt the effect of his ability. But why would he not want to be in a neighbourhood with me?

I know he at least has an ability that keep the "town" pt's alive but im not so sure thats the full story. A lot of his actions so far have rubbed me the wrong way, and im gonna continue sitting on the fence about the slot and remain suspicious and vigilant.

I didn't want to be in a hood with Giga any more, couldn't trust the slot. Hell, I'll gladly hood with you tonight so we can double team the scum after today.

[KidAmn]

KidAmn, do you realize how much better this game wouldve gone if you hadnt broken that link and I had gotten to cop your ass? If you are town and this game goes down the drain, that is one of the things where it went wrong. Well that and the moment you gave an emotional maria the option to selfhammer.

How do you reflect on these statements?

If I'd known exactly how every role worked on D1 I'd have played things a lot differently. And as for Maria, I've already said what I thought about that, and blaming me for her complete refusal to play the game or replace out and the shitty meta lynch that got pushed through is a bit disingenuous.

[KidAmn]

KidAmn, do you realize how much better this game wouldve gone if you hadnt broken that link and I had gotten to cop your ass? If you are town and this game goes down the drain, that is one of the things where it went wrong. Well that and the moment you gave an emotional maria the option to selfhammer.

How do you reflect on these statements?

If I'd known exactly how every role worked on D1 I'd have played things a lot differently. And as for Maria, I've already said what I thought about that, and blaming me for her complete refusal to play the game or replace out and the shitty meta lynch that got pushed through is a bit disingenuous.

But you trying to distance yourself from that lynch and repeatedly trying to push it on others wasnt?

I gave her all the opportunity in the world to start playing and only out her at L-1 when it became clear she wouldn't. As it stands, it was useful in that it brought a loy of scum out of the woodwork.

[KidAmn]

Titus + 2 of random Vecna KidAmn

I still think the slip was a slip from random

Titus Random and Vecna and

kid is just being unintellibly pissed off.

Random Vecna bus Titus with me?

VOTE: Titus

HE SAID IT IN CAPS THAT MEANS HE'S ANGRY AND I DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT

What is this, High School Debate team?

[KidAmn]

Anyways, theres another SCUM left that has to be in reality to kill people in reality.

-IF- drealmers is indeed town its not him......and I can rule out quite a bunch of other people at this point (allthough I wont openly share this knowledge ofcourse).

REVELATION:

Its quite likely that it is KIDAMN. Think about it. Clumsy was going to be sacrefised the same day as Gigabye ended up dead. That very same day KidAmn broke off his link. WHAT IF he is the 2nd scum reality killer? He needed to break off the link, because if he didnt id notice that he wouldve left the HOOD if he went to reality that night.

KidAmn probably needs to be in VIRTUAL REALITY for his town-hood encryption to work. He wanted to be in VR so he could claim later on that he had this town beneficial ability. Once THE BULGE - the scum neighbourhood spy - told him that our founders chat was now dead....there was no use for KidAmn to still keep using that power. I also claimed before this point that my private hood had long died.

KidAmn probably also has the scum daychat power if he is indeed scum. Whether that is REALITY or Virtual reality, is hard to predict; BUT - the mod probably designed the setup in such a way as there being HARD CHOICES for people to have to choose between reality and VR. For scum such choices would likely be appearing as town / using encryption - OR BEING ABLE TO KILL in certain dimensions. From a setup speculation pov that makes total sense.

My prediction thus; KIDAMN is the last remaining scum REALITY NIGHTKILLER. He had to break the link with giga when they killed him since they KNEW they had to bus CLUMSY. its just too much of a damn coincidence that KIDAMN broke the link that very night I was to join their hood, AND giga ended up dying.

VOTE: KidAmn

VOTE: KidAmn

Further explenation; Clumsy was doing the Scum nightkills from REALITY.

When they had to bus him, they probably needed to have someone ELSE come to reality to start doing the kills if they had to kill someone in reality.

THAT is why gigabyte had to die (together with him lol-claiming fake abilities ofcourse).

THAT is why KidAmn had to break his link that very same night when I was going to join their hood.

THAT is why he only started to crumb his hacker stuff so LATE in the game.

If we lynch the last scum reality killer, we can all move over to reality if we so desire, and our reality powers can never be stopped AND everyone in reality becomes a treestump.

LETS DO THIS

This game suddenly became a lot more interesting again to me. Nothing quite like a good dose of setup speculation to narrow in on a good lynch that makes me happy.

KidAmn lynching time, even though he made excellent use of Kung Fury powerclaims

Jesus fucking christ. Yeah, you're right, I spent D2 in VR (which is why I was asking RT where they were to use our fucking link) and D3 (when my claimed power works - and it doesn't give a shit where I am, as long as I'm alive) in reality (and incidentally, I'm willing to bet at least one link was alive and could talk at that point during D3, when you're suggesting I had to go to reality to kill, but also had to be in VR for scum to have the daychat you've decided exists out of nowhere. And my first fucking crumb was over 400 posts before you ever asked Giga to link, but I totally started crumbing because I was scared of a one-shot cop who can only work through links that I had no idea existed, or was going to ask to join my link.

1) Yes my reads sucked that game except on MariaR and LeonShade and Beeboy
2) I'm not leading this game. I'm active and posting things and seeing how people respond to those things.
3) I think you're bussing.

4 and most importantly) Enjoy Persona 5. Persona 4 was amazing. Naoto...<3

Your reads are shit here too if you think I'm bussing. Not like I'm posting in code or something here, I literally said I doubted both Maria and rt, but gigs at least offered a reason to give them some trust for now which is more than Maria.

vecna pls be town i want to powertown with you like in pyp but not be hard-pocketed this time

Hey Giga, I am town as a matter of fact.

Lets go into VR tonight and sync up <3

How does that stuff work, im guessing you pm the mod and just tell him that, and then we both decide to sync?

I wanna make a hood with you.

Now, I have a lot of catching up to do.

I joined this game mainly because I wanna town with you, and I like to not be an asshole to math/gerry this game and see if I can pull that off after threatening I would dodge them forever after last game.

Math/Gerry, lovecircle?

Catch-up walls of doom incoming over the next 24 hours or so.

I mean, there's obvious scum sat in the open, but no, you're buddying up with them and going for a D4 lynch based on speculation about how the scum-team's abilities may or may not work instead of anything logical or based on the actual posts in the fucking thread. This isn't fucking Mafia any more. Go ahead and lynch me, I'm done with what this site has turned into.

[KidAmn]

Vote KidAmn with us Titus, lets go.

since youre stating your not gonna reread shit, and youre TR' ing me........

i dont see any reason why you wouldnt want to. Unless you can find flaws in my logic-posts on the previous page. KidAmn has done some very dodgy shit this game that has very little possible town motivation behind it.

Any flaws will be dismissed. Shit, why am I even bothering. Go ahead and wave the carrot in front of Math so they can lead a bunch of inactives and people who won't read up off the cliff again.

[KidAmn]

Jesus fucking christ. Yeah, you're right, I spent D2 in VR (which is why I was asking RT where they were to use our fucking link) and D3 (when my claimed power works - and it doesn't give a shit where I am, as long as I'm alive) in reality (and incidentally, I'm willing to bet at least one link was alive and could talk at that point during D3, when you're suggesting I had to go to reality to kill, but also had to be in VR for scum to have the daychat you've decided exists out of nowhere. And my first fucking crumb was over 400 posts before you ever asked Giga to link, but I totally started crumbing because I was scared of a one-shot cop who can only work through links that I had no idea existed, or was going to ask to join my link.

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I mean, there's obvious scum sat in the open, but no, you're buddying up with them and going for a D4 lynch based on speculation about how the scum-team's abilities may or may not work instead of anything logical or based on the actual posts in the fucking thread. This isn't fucking Mafia any more. Go ahead and lynch me, I'm done with what this site has turned into.

Aaaaah, so youre admitting you broke the link to go to reality. My speculation is accurate!

Also, links dont care about your ability. Those neighbourhoods stay alive during the day regardless. Right now (day4) theyre active as well. So as I speculated.....you knew that your power was no longer required anywhere, and noone would notice that you hopped out of VR if you broke the link.

So then the question remains.......Why did you suddenly need to be in reality?

I mean, the timing right? The timing.....right after clumsy was set to die.....and scum needed someone else in reality (since yes, BTD6 was killed in -reality-).

And im not saying you left the link because you were afraid of me. Im saying you left the link because you needed to be in reality, and were afraid to be discovered.....since the logic that scum needs to be in reality after Clumsy's flip is rather straight-forward. As is the speculation that scum likely has 2 reality and 2 Virtual reality killers.

And this my friend, is exactly what mafia is all about. Combining all insights into a sound conclusion.

"Links don't care about your ability" - YES THEY DO. ALL NON-FACTIONAL PTS. WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU THINK LINKS DON'T FALL UNDER, VECNA?

"Why did you suddenly need to be in reality?" - BECAUSE I LITERALLY OPENED DAY 2 BY STICKING A BIG SIGN ON MY HEAD SAYING "HEY SCUM I'M IN VR COME GET ME"

"And im not saying you left the link because you were afraid of me." THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING

WHAT IF he is the 2nd scum reality killer? He needed to break off the link, because if he didnt id notice that he wouldve left the HOOD if he went to reality that night.

Leonshade was hella scummy before replacing out.

OKAY EVERYONE LOOK AT LEON'S ISO FULL OF MOSTLY PROD-DODGING, ANNOUNCING V/LA AND ENGAGING WITH THE RVS AND FALLOUT THEREOF AND SHOW ME WHERE THE SCUM THERE IS
NEVER MIND THE INHERENT BULLSHIT OF JUDGING A SLOT BASED ON A LARGELY INACTIVE PREDECESSOR

YO FFS KID is town

Partner spotted! Suspicions confirmed. Vital part of scum victory condition identified. Destruction order issued.

Vecna, if Math wrecks this game, you will not hear the end of it in postgame.

If im wrong about this lynch, the game is most likely a loss regardless.

But im confident enough to go for this lynch, and I think itll result in near town-auto.

YOU ARE LITERALLY FOLLOWING MATHBLADE OFF THE CLIFF AGAIN BECAUSE THEIR CONF-BIAS LINES UP WITH YOURS

EXCEPT THIS TIME I GENUINELY WORRY YOU MIGHT BE THE RC IN THIS PARTNERSHIP RIDING THEM INTO THE SUNSET (FYI EVERYONE ELSE WHO WASN'T IN CIV MAFIA - RC WAS SCUM)

Vote: Titus

"HEY I'VE BEEN SHEEPING ALL GAME AND AM QUITE CLEARLY SHOWING NO ORIGINAL THOUGHT BESIDES 'OOH WHAT'S THE CURRENT WAGON DE RIGEUR, LEMME HOP ON THAT'" AND NOW I'M GONNA JUMP ON THE WAGON MOST VOCALLY SUPPORTED BY SOMEONE I WAS VOTING 2 MINUTES AGO"

HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE BE THIS FUCKING BLIND

[KidAmn]

Finally this game is providing entertainment.

SHIT IT'S ALMOST LIKE SOMEONE DELIBERATELY WENT ON A RAMPAGE OF "EFF THIS PLACE" POSTING TO WAKE THE TOWN UP

INCIDENTALLY EXPLAIN MY MOTIVATION FOR DOING THAT AS SCUM VECNA, I'LL WAIT

ALSO THIS IS NOW HOW I WILL TYPE UNTIL THE TOWN AS A COLLECTIVE PULLS THEIR HEAD OUT OF THEIR ARSES (unless Scout orders me not to, love you Scout, sorry you're having to watch... this)

[KidAmn]

Vecna we agree all is right with the world.

I am okay with this massive scum bussery and if we get a scum today Vecna and I sync on reads and all is awesome.

I toyed with writing some very unpleasant things here but realised none of this is worth it.

So instead, I'll settle for this: I hope to god I'm right and you're scum.

[KidAmn]

oh shit, major miscalculation spotted. Need time to reflect.

UNVOTE: KidAmn

See guys, when I ask people to do their due dilligence to spot mistakes in my reasoning, this would be one of those things where you pull head from arse.

HOLY SHIT YOU DIDN'T THINK TO ASK THAT QUESTION BEFORE-HAND

nope

outta here

going to bed, going to spend the day with people who don't make me want to pound my face into a mush on the desk

do whatever you want

VOTE: unvote

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Kid is still scum FYI.

LOOK AT THIS. VECNA. LOOK. AT. THIS.

Vote Mathblade

Math/Titus/Gerry/Dreal

Your 4 scum are there

fucking get them

[KidAmn]

Alright, so KidAmn correcting my mistake, but stating he ONLY is on odd links.......

Means theres another identical copy of his role fo even days (which from the reaction im guessing is Zach, but this ofcourse is just speculation).

oops

WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND PURE WOULD YOU EVER OPENLY STATE THIS (IF IT'S TRUE, WHICH I HAVE ZERO INFORMATION WITH REGARDS TO WHATSOFUCKING EVER)

[KidAmn]

And yet reading back, I see some of the points made on Kid. There is definitely one scum there.

Congratulations, when are the little baby planks due

[KidAmn]

IDK about everyone else but I'm getting real fucking tired of "X is town" "Y is scum" with almost zero fucking reasoning behind it

PYPDD=pick your power double deck, yep

your description of his game there is terribly vague and non-inclusive of a whoooole bunch of other stuff he was doing, that, by many, was seen as "carrying the town to victory" until the game was over and it was revealed he was scum

please, I can't see what you're seeing, you need to elaborate and do better

No, I don't.

Meta is shit. You need to realize Vecna is obvious town. It's not my job to spoonfeed you obvious conclusions.

It's your job to get better.

You know what to look for, if you try. You were in both games.

Me spoon feeding you doesn't help you get better or help you fix your reputation.

This whole post is just so fucking unnecessary but holy shit I have to admire the double-think behind "meta is shit" followed by telling someone to read two prior games of another player to understand why they're "obv-town"

[KidAmn]

IDK about everyone else but I'm getting real fucking tired of "X is town" "Y is scum" with almost zero fucking reasoning behind it

PYPDD=pick your power double deck, yep

your description of his game there is terribly vague and non-inclusive of a whoooole bunch of other stuff he was doing, that, by many, was seen as "carrying the town to victory" until the game was over and it was revealed he was scum

please, I can't see what you're seeing, you need to elaborate and do better

No, I don't.

Meta is shit. You need to realize Vecna is obvious town. It's not my job to spoonfeed you obvious conclusions.

It's your job to get better.

You know what to look for, if you try. You were in both games.

Me spoon feeding you doesn't help you get better or help you fix your reputation.

This whole post is just so fucking unnecessary but holy shit I have to admire the double-think behind "meta is shit" followed by telling someone to read two prior games of another player to understand why they're "obv-town"

[KidAmn]

VOTE: The Bulge

As promised

Vecna is scum Titus is scum confirmed just doing this to prove it.

"Just jumping on a wagon that someone I think is scum is proposing to prove myself right and put us into what will likely be lylo"

Jesus Christ Math, sit and think about what you're doing here.

[KidAmn]

I give up. Like, there are so many massive egos and piles of conf-bias in this game that can't possibly all be scum that I just don't care any more.

Clumsy/Math/Vecna/Dreal for scum team would be my best guess, but I legitimately don't give two flying fucks at this point because you all deserve each other.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: The Bulge

As promised

Vecna is scum Titus is scum confirmed just doing this to prove it.

"Just jumping on a wagon that someone I think is scum is proposing to prove myself right and put us into what will likely be lylo"

Jesus Christ Math, sit and think about what you're doing here.

No one asks a legitimate scumread to sit and think.

And why not? Assuming Bulge is town like I read him to be, It gets rid of a likely mislynched slot in LYLO it demonstrates Vecna's reads are shit. If Titus then doesn't immediately pound Vecna into dirt she is scum.

She calls Vecna obvious Town yet isn't trying to form a town block with him.

Where is the Titus (TM) Town block?

In any game where anyone was actually interested in playing Mafia and not swinging their metaphorical dicks around, what you just posted would be one of the most obvious scumslips I've seen in years.

"It gets rid of a likely mislynched slot in LYLO it demonstrates Vecna's reads are shit. If Titus then doesn't immediately pound Vecna into dirt she is scum."

If Bulge is town, and in the unlikely event you are also town, you are literally bending over and inviting the scum to go to poundtown. There is no good, pro-town reason to actively jump on the wagon your two biggest scumreads are proposing on D4 in MYLO/LYLO -1 other than to actively throw the fucking game for the purpose of jumping back in post-game and yelling "NER NER NER I WAS RIGHT". Either you're so over-committed to the most twisted logic (and I use that term in it's loosest sense) possible that you're willing to lose the game as town for it, or you're scum using said plain fucking dumb logic as a cover. I don't want to entertain the former, so I'm assuming the latter.

[KidAmn]

I give up. Like, there are so many massive egos and piles of conf-bias in this game that can't possibly all be scum that I just don't care any more.

Clumsy/Math/Vecna/Dreal for scum team would be my best guess, but I legitimately don't give two flying fucks at this point because you all deserve each other.

kid chill. work with me to try and actually figure this game out.
where do you think we should be looking for scum today?

Did... did you read the post you quoted?

[KidAmn]

I am saying you don't legitimately scumread me. That makes you scum.

And yes there is. People have slandered me to the point on this site any argument I bring will be ignored. So instead I demonstrate Vecna scum. If he delivers scum he gets a reprieve.

It's... it's not slander if you do the things they say you do. And trust me, I "legitimately scumread" you alright, because, and I'll say it again because you clearly didn't understand it,

the only alternative to "Mathblade is advancing this shitty course of action as scum" is that you are actively throwing this game.

sry i meant who do you want to lynch today. not who is scum, who you think the best lynch is.
also why do you think there are no lurking scum?
and why do you think vecna vs math is SvS?

Math for my sanity.
If there are lurking scum, they've had so many opportunities to put us all out of our misery that I hate them for not doing so.
Vecna/Math is a lot of noise and fury and then Math goes along and sheeps on Vecna based on the worst goddamn logic I've ever seen. Vecna pushes Math then constantly gives them chances/slacks off to go push some other wagon. I don't fucking know any more. Please just kill me tonight, whoever you are. I want to go home.

[KidAmn]

Proving Vecna scum is not game throwing Kid.

That word gets thrown around a lot when people don't do what you want and it pisses me off.

WHY THE SHITDICKS ARE YOU NOT VOTING VECNA IF YOU THINK VECNA IS SCUM

WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR THE BULGE, THE WAGON VECNA WANTS

[KidAmn]

Bad form to talk about Town PRs. No way both kid and Zach are scum with mirror claims. One could be but both.

I scumread Kid? I don't understand.

Convincing anyone here I have an ounce of intelligence is an exercise in futility. People want to believe I am stupid therefore to them I am stupid. If I am stupid I can't convince you I am smart because everything I say is stupid. So hence I gave up convincing you I am intelligent because as an intelligent person I know that is stupid.

LOOK AT THIS SHIT

Now, Mathblade - riddle me this.

KidAmn and Zach have the same role.

They both keep PT's alive during different days. Is one of them scum?

Would Zach save Kid if he was scum?

Yes one of them is scum.

Zach isn't saving Kid.

Mirror claims are NAI except both aren't scum.

SO THE FACT THAT TWO CLAIMS, UNCONTESTED, MIRROR EACH OTHER TO KEEP PTS OPEN AGAINST THE USUAL RULES OF THE GAME, DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING WHATSOEVER TO YOU?

[KidAmn]

So I oppose a The Buldge lynch because aside

for reads and anything, that is currently an empty slot

. I want to hear the replacement, get a read on the replacement, and such.

So is your slot

[KidAmn]

And your slot is scum.

Drealmerz get off your lazy butt and read I hereby command you with my loads of ice cream.

"If I keep saying it may everyone will believe it" has to be the laziest scum-play I've ever seen, and yet here we are

[KidAmn]

And your slot is scum.

Drealmerz get off your lazy butt and read I hereby command you with my loads of ice cream.

"If I keep saying it may everyone will believe it" has to be the laziest scum-play I've ever seen, and yet here we are

I have scum meta here.
Find a scum game where I was lazy. Go.

Hint: it doesn't exist.
Hint2: Not scum.
Hint3: Games where I am lazy do exist.
Hint4: I am Town in them.
Hint5:Kid is scum.

The only point of reference I have for you is Civ Mafia, where you were constantly hyper-aggressive as town and put a lot of work into VCAs and other useless pursuits while the scum dangled carrots in front of you. Here you're just giving up and yelling "UR SCUM" in the same tone you see on certain sections of Reddit yelling about "FAKE NEWS". I think you're self-aware enough to recognise your own meta and play to it/the crowd, and if ever there was a game where scum!Math could get away with feigning laziness and disinterest while maintaining their usual "I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU'RE SCUM" boneheadedness, this shitshow would be it.

[KidAmn]

gerry want to vote for bulge?

VOTE: gerry
trust this is flipping scum

momo and bulge are dead slots so there is less confidence. gerry is 100% scum

alright fine
i am very very confident that gerry is scum

who asks someone tthey are 100% sure are scum if they are ok with voting someone. anyway, math and random are mafia prob. but lynch math today

According to Math you don't even wait to be asked by your scumread you just do it for them and then claim vindication whatever the result

[KidAmn]

yeah let's get that lurky fuck

Act 4, Scene 19

Enter POT.

POT: Lo, Kettle, 'tis I, Pot.

KETTLE stands silent.

POT: Kettle, I name thee black and curse thee!

KETTLE stands silent.

Exeunt POT.

Act 4, Scene 21

Open on KETTLE, standing silent. They rouse from slumber.

KETTLE: uh that candlestick looks bad but I guess they might not be idk bye

[KidAmn]

gerry want to vote for bulge?

VOTE: gerry
trust this is flipping scum

momo and bulge are dead slots so there is less confidence. gerry is 100% scum

alright fine
i am very very confident that gerry is scum

who asks someone tthey are 100% sure are scum if they are ok with voting someone. anyway, math and random are mafia prob. but lynch math today

According to Math you don't even wait to be asked by your scumread you just do it for them and then claim vindication whatever the result

wut lol

Good to know you're still not even trying to read the game

[KidAmn]

I almost made a post "I like you, kid!", and then didn't, so now I make this, cause I see rm is feeling it too

rm, you didn't do anything, we just need some fast death around here, enmasse

IT'LL BE FUn!!!!

Yeah, Dwarf Fortress "fun"

In that we will all likely die

I know I'd fucking rocks fall this shit, and I'm one of the people who would be getting rocks fall'd

[KidAmn]

I almost made a post "I like you, kid!", and then didn't, so now I make this, cause I see rm is feeling it too

rm, you didn't do anything, we just need some fast death around here, enmasse

IT'LL BE FUn!!!!

But for real lets just do this because if anyone really opposes killing a player who has done nothing of any consequence and holds no actual positions other than what is convenient, then that says... well it doesn't say much more about them than everything else that has happened in this game could but fuck it

Vote: Momo

[KidAmn]

momo is third on my lynch preferences for today, will settle for if we get towards deadline.

I mean... we're 3 days away

And this day feels like it has taken literal years off my life

So, y'know, in the grand scheme of shit

[KidAmn]

[L-2] Mathblade - [4] momo, gerryoat, KidAmn, Titus
p sure this is scum minus kid

I don't want to agree with this because it suggests Math!town

And if Math IS town that means they will be personally responsible for several clumps of hair no longer being on my head and several empty bottles of reasonably decent beer in the near future

But it doesn't seem inplau... unplau... IT SEEMS LEGIT OKAY.

[KidAmn]

I feel like voting anyone besides Math is dumb. Either Math is scum, or Math will vote Vecna and throw the game. I'll hammer whomever if I need to, but this is just dumb how much resistance the Math wagon has.

I mean it is pretty dumb, but given the nature of 1/2 of the wagon (Gerry/Momo) I can't seriously entertain the idea that everyone pushing it is town and scum are just refusing to jump on it

Think of the towncred scum could get for a)lynching scum and more importantly b)lynching Mathblade

Also don't call me dumb I've had a hard time of it between Mathblade and half the playerbase not playing the goddamn game (if you wanna get real strict about "playing the game" I could argue like 5-6 people have actually attempted to play Mafia since D2 and the rest of you have just run around slapping each other in the face with various rubber models of your genitalia)

[KidAmn]

I feel like voting anyone besides Math is dumb.

Either Math is scum, or Math will vote Vecna and throw the game. I'll hammer whomever if I need to, but this is just dumb how much resistance the Math wagon has.

I mean it is pretty dumb, but given the nature of 1/2 of the wagon (Gerry/Momo) I can't seriously entertain the idea that everyone pushing it is town and scum are just refusing to jump on it

Think of the towncred scum could get for a)lynching scum and more importantly b)lynching Mathblade

Also don't call me dumb I've had a hard time of it between Mathblade and half the playerbase not playing the goddamn game (if you wanna get real strict about "playing the game" I could argue like 5-6 people have actually attempted to play Mafia since D2 and the rest of you have just run around slapping each other in the face with various rubber models of your genitalia)

I don't think I've called you dumb.

I would think that one or two scum might not jump on it waiting for hammer

. I don't think it's in scum's interest for Math to be lynched, whatever their alignment.

I do understand the gerry/momo concerns, I just don't see how keeping Math alive is protown when the lurkers will be forced to sub out. We'll be getting a bulge replacement.

So you agree that at least one scum is on the wagon then?

And looking at the 3 people who aren't me they've been doing a pisspoor job of pushing that wagon: you've piggybacked me and yelled a bunch of stuff about how Math must never go to endgame (PROOOOOOBABLY true but we'll burn that bridge when we get to it); momo piggybacked me and jumps into the thread to post a sentence every time they get near a prod; and Gerry is... Gerry is Gerry. I can't put it any other way without risking a banhammer.

Like shit at least I bothered to put a case together on the fucker, even if they proceeded to ignore it and continue to rail about how anyone attacking them must be scum in the greatest display of confirmation bias since Rolling Stone published that one article about UVA

PEdit: have you maybe tried working harder

[KidAmn]

This is basically the same as Momo but with more shitposts so sure

Vote Gerryoat

[KidAmn]

I kinda promised/offered with no response to link with Vecna but we'll see

Incidentally that is still out there on the table Vec js

PEDIT: I'm struggling to see the difference between lynching the guy who only shitposts and the guy who only barely posts but hit me with the sweet word jam

[KidAmn]

Why are people trying to Lynch nothing when there are viable options out there. I for one TR vecna, want to Lynch math, but will compromise on Titus.

Alright I am also okayish with a Gerry Lynch. Not too excited about it but would deadline vote the slot.

"i am fine with any of the suggested lynches and will continue to hold whatever opinion is most popular"

Truly a masterclass on saying absolutely fucking nothing

[KidAmn]

Yeah tomorrow is lylo if we mislynch, and itll be 5 town vs 3 scum. The odds of winning that is why were massclaiming today.

Id like ZACH and KIDAMN to confirm whether they have any other abilities.

I have the ability to vote and the previously claimed passive ability which keeps non-factional PTs open on odd-numbered days. Momo's claim stinks - my role pm makes no distinction between VR and Reality private topics. For his to do so is improbable at best.

[KidAmn]

HACKERMAN (but not sure where to put):
KidAmn

I'll take it

[KidAmn]

1 point to whoever figures out what it was first.

I'll give you a point where the sun doth not shine unless you just spell it out instead of this gameplaying wannabe-Riddler poxy nonsense

[KidAmn]

Tooter? I 'ardly know er.

[KidAmn]

ALL non-factional PTs remain open on even days.

That would mean my role affects both "areas" of this game by default


Mine and kids role are mirrors - momo is either claiming to be a precursor for our roles to work(See 3628) OR he's a full power version of my role limited to reality.

It def sounds like a fake claim. For one, if he enabled our roles it would mean that he could have died day 1 and both mine and kids roles would be half way broken...? Or just useless.. making us like VTs? Which sounds dumb.

And the only reality thing is, again, sketch.

I can confirm that the wording Zach has given for his role's ability is identical to mine, with "even" switched out for "odd" in my case. Momo's claim categorically does not make sense outside of being, say, a scum day-chat enabler.

Hmm, so far everyone has had an occupation in their role pm.

Ooh, that gives me a thought.

Zach: what's your occupation within Simotech? I'll post mine, but I want to see if something lines up.

(inb4 "you just want to make your claim match" because holy shit I already did all this 20+ pages ago.

[KidAmn]

ALL non-factional PTs remain open on even days.

That would mean my role affects both "areas" of this game by default


Mine and kids role are mirrors - momo is either claiming to be a precursor for our roles to work(See 3628) OR he's a full power version of my role limited to reality.

It def sounds like a fake claim. For one, if he enabled our roles it would mean that he could have died day 1 and both mine and kids roles would be half way broken...? Or just useless.. making us like VTs? Which sounds dumb.

And the only reality thing is, again, sketch.

I can confirm that the wording Zach has given for his role's ability is identical to mine, with "even" switched out for "odd" in my case. Momo's claim categorically does not make sense outside of being, say, a scum day-chat enabler.

Hmm, so far everyone has had an occupation in their role pm.

Ooh, that gives me a thought.

Zach: what's your occupation within Simotech? I'll post mine, but I want to see if something lines up.

(inb4 "you just want to make your claim match" because holy shit I already did all this 20+ pages ago.

Sergeant, project control project ARCH

Sergeant, lead developer Project ARCH. Currently dating multiple women, I love cats, girls, and... a mix of the two.

Cool, as far as I'm concerned barring some serious fuckery Zach is town.

[KidAmn]

i mean i dont get any cool fetishes, im just a boring non dscript vt

Please take my fetish. I don't want it.

[KidAmn]

no. fk off, just lynch me then. idc

if you don't car ethat is anti-wincon

no point not to be out with all the things now, absolutely zero not to be

get on with it

dont care lol

Hahaha

Hey remember when Gerry was one of the loudest people in favour of a Maria lynch for this kind of attitude

Haha

Good times

*shoots self out of frustration with this entire shitty playerbase*

[KidAmn]

Vote: Momo

This claim appears to directly contradict mine and Zachs, mine and Zach's flavour lines up directly (both reference Project ARCH) and Momo's makes zero fucking sense when 2 roles that keep PTs open exist, sooooooooooooooo

yeah

[KidAmn]

Link got destroyed.

@KidAmn care to explain why the fuck momo flipped with the exact same thing you claimed?

VOTE: KidAmn

Holy shit Math how fucking dumb are you.

Location required: Reality/Virtual Reality.
Copy that.
For as long as you are alive, you enable any role(s) that allow communication in Reality during the day.

I AM BRAD DAVIS, THE ODD-DAY ENCRYPTOR - AS LONG AS I REMAIN ALIVE, ALL NON-FACTIONAL (IE. NOT SCUM) PRIVATE TOPICS REMAIN USABLE ON ODD DAYS (HI VECNA)

Vote: Mathblade

[KidAmn]

I have literally claimed flavour and power consistent with AN EXACT MIRROR OF MY ROLE, UNPROMPTED (and Zach's claim was forced out of him somewhat by events) and you're still going to do this? Fuck you. Get out of the game. You're either scum, or playing in a manner so (to paraphrase from RC) antithetical to the town's wincon that you need to die.

[KidAmn]

momo's role affects reality only

and has no "non-factional" disclaimer.

Like, say, a bunch of hackers who are attacking Simotech. Like, say, maybe scum daychat.

Mine and zach's affect all non-factional pts on our respective days (i.e. our links). It's almost like Inspector is a really sweet game designer and created one of each role for scum, town!odd and town!even. If you continue to push this dumb-fuck conf-bias shit you are literally doing what you complain about everyone ragging on you for doing. You are proving me and RC and everyone else who poops on you right, or you're scum. And right now I'm not sure I care which.

ANYWAY.

Links, people. Vecna suggested a bunch of shit yesterday before the lynch that made complete goddamn sense, so I want to hear who successfully linked with their suggested partner, or why they didn't feel it was necessary to do so. You want a reason for me to ask you this? Sure - regardless of the moronic, finger-in-ear bullshit above, those links are our key to finding scum. Vecna only died in VR - that means someone killed their realspace body while they were jacked in. That means our killer, and therefore at least 1 of the scum, is in real-space. So, who's got working links with who? Who's in VR and who's in reality? I'll go first - I have an active link with Gamma as of last night. Note that being in VR doesn't necessarily mean anyone is 100% clear, but being in meatspace = on our list of potential killers.


PEdit: No, you know what, I'm sorry, but it's entirely necessary. People need to stop and look at this shit. I'm fucking tired of it. Math has done nothing but yell about how I must be scum based on nothing with any grounding in common fucking sense and they frankly need to step away and take a long hard look at how they approach Mafia, because

they're not playing Mafia.

They are now actively attacking the two players closest to being confirmed town in this game because they can't even briefly entertain the idea they are wrong, despite overwhelming evidence for it.

[KidAmn]

Pedit: Vecna only died in *reality* - and is alive in VR.

[KidAmn]

I would be talking with Vecna right now if you were telling the truth. So one of you two is lying and we are on an ODD day.

I mean Vecna literally can't talk in this thread so they could be sat there, probably golf-clapping at you for trying this shit while you smugly push ahead with your dumb-ass plan to try and push a lynch through on me or Zach

so unless this Math/Vecna link has anyone else in it who hasn't piped up yet, you saying "I CAN'T TALK TO VECNA REEEEEE KILL KID" means sweet fuck all

PEdit: hey look, Zach gets it too. Zach, can we just do a buddy cop thing and solve this game right now?

PEdit 2: Why Do I Have To Play Mafia With You: Well, Gamma is alive... so presumably they can confirm that soon. Vecna can't confirm shit. We have your word for it.

[KidAmn]

Titus: dependant on the location of the kill. You can be hard-killed, reality-only killed, or VR-only killed, depending on various factors (your location, presumably scum's location can also affect this from what we've seen of their PMs)

I would be talking with Vecna right now if you were telling the truth. So one of you two is lying and we are on an ODD day.

I mean Vecna literally can't talk in this thread so they could be sat there, probably golf-clapping at you for trying this shit while you smugly push ahead with your dumb-ass plan to try and push a lynch through on me or Zach

so unless this Math/Vecna link has anyone else in it who hasn't piped up yet, you saying "I CAN'T TALK TO VECNA REEEEEE KILL KID" means sweet fuck all

PEdit: hey look, Zach gets it too. Zach, can we just do a buddy cop thing and solve this game right now?

PEdit 2: Why Do I Have To Play Mafia With You: Well, Gamma is alive... so presumably they can confirm that soon. Vecna can't confirm shit. We have your word for it.

Drealmerz and Randommidget can confirm the link was destroyed. We all got PMs. Really?

Okay, this is fine and all, but you're still not actually proving anything or giving a coherent argument for me as scum. You're hypothesising contrary to all evidence, assuming the existence of roles that you have no reason to believe exist, and just repeating yourself again and again as if volume = truth.

[KidAmn]

OK GUYS, GOOD NEWS.

I have made us some nice friendship circles! Seeing how we have so many "wonderfull" VT claims, it dont matter shit where you guys are anyway.....

Tonight........

Gamma Emerald & KidAmn should link up.

Zach and titus should link up (if we end up lynching Titus instead you can link with Gerry).

Mathblade will link up with me and RM

(he can randomly pick either of us to be invited into our little friendzone)

Drealmerz should stay in our link as well. He can choose where-ever he wants to go (reality or VR).

Gerry doesnt like friends, so w/e - he can be the lynch if he doesnt provide accurate details on his cop-claim.

Momo is scum so can be avoided.

this way, we know who is linked. If people die under suspicious circumstances (meaning a full kill) while scum shouldnt know where he is, we can look at his partner.

BUT, more importantly, we can start narrowing down the scum by having at least 1 person know who is where. When were approaching 1 scum, we can be quite sure whether he needs to be in VR or Reality to do the nightkill, meaning our list of suspects will shrink a lot. This way we can also retroactively look back on nights starting tomorrow night, and narrow down who is where.

You can know where someone is, but checking whether they can talk to you. Only people in VR can talk to you in a link.

Hey Math. How can a link be destroyed if, by Vecna's own admission, you weren't in one before last night?

[KidAmn]

You said your role prevents this on odd days.

Nope. My role keeps active links usable on odd days. Nothing I have ever said, and nothing in my role PM or Zach's says "prevents links from being destroyed". As I said on D2 when RT didn't come to VR, and as multiple other people have referenced, links can't be used unless 2 or more people from that link are in VR.

So you're literally lying to maintain this now, Math.

[KidAmn]

You said your role prevents this on odd days.

Nope. My role keeps active links usable on odd days. Nothing I have ever said, and nothing in my role PM or Zach's says "prevents links from being destroyed". As I said on D2 when RT didn't come to VR, and as multiple other people have referenced, links can't be used unless 2 or more people from that link are in VR.

So you're literally lying to maintain this now, Math.

Like, literally all Zach had to do, if links work how you're saying they work, is go "lol no your link is fine here's how I know" and I would have been caught in a lie

like you are now, Math

Flavor doesn't make sense for Kid to be scum lol

We have the same occupation which is a division or something that is still active.. operational. We're literally still working for Simotech right now

In all the scum PMs the interface was hacked into...



You realize Kid being scum means momos role never had to exist? Did you ever think of that? momo's role is like a nerfed version of what Kid has.

You realize scum have fake claims.

You realize Kid is likely a liar because I have direct proof a link died?

Do they, Math? Because Momo just claimed the parts of their role that didn't openly reference killing or their scumteam.

An Enabler has no active abilities, but are told what kind of power role they enable. If they die, that type of ability may no longer be used.
This effect applies to all players with the enabled ability. A Doctor Enabler's death will cause every Doctor in the game to become useless.
Enablers are usually, but not always, Town.

If you were an enabler of links link would exist.

I am literally in one with Gamma right now, and have posted in it after day started. Several other players (y'know, more than the 4 of us who have posted thus far" are likely also in links. You are actively lying now.

[KidAmn]

I am not a jester.

THEN WHY ARE YOU PLAYING LIKE ONE

*sobs quietly*

[KidAmn]

If Gamma confirms the PT, it means that Kid(Our) ability is active.

IF the KidAmn/Gamma EmeraldPT is confirmed to be active by GE, Kid cannot be scum. Because our claim specifies that all NON-FACTIONAL PTs will remain open. Scum is a faction.

Math read this post several times

Vecna is confirmed Town.
Vecna and Random's link was destroyed.
Momo died.

On day 5 an odd day the link was destroyed. Momo was odd day enabler.

Like you and Zach are lying or this setup is bastard.

Momo's role PM says LITERALLY NOTHING ABOUT ODD/EVEN DAYS. AND IT SPECIFIES REALITY. LINKS ARE VR-ONLY. HOW WOULD MOMO DYING AFFECT A VR, NON-FACTIONAL PT.

[KidAmn]

If Gamma confirms the PT, it means that Kid(Our) ability is active.

IF the KidAmn/Gamma EmeraldPT is confirmed to be active by GE, Kid cannot be scum. Because our claim specifies that all NON-FACTIONAL PTs will remain open. Scum is a faction.

Math read this post several times

Vecna is confirmed Town.
Vecna and Random's link was destroyed.
Momo died.

On day 5 an odd day the link was destroyed. Momo was odd day enabler.

Like you and Zach are lying or this setup is bastard.

Momo's role PM says LITERALLY NOTHING ABOUT ODD/EVEN DAYS. AND IT SPECIFIES REALITY. LINKS ARE VR-ONLY. HOW WOULD MOMO DYING AFFECT A VR, NON-FACTIONAL PT.

No they aren't KidAmn!

I'm... jesus fuck. I'm not talking about requesting links, Math. I'm talking about using them. Giga literally said D2 when I called them out they had to be in reality, which was why they weren't in the link we had.

And I'll ask you again since you're still doing this scummy bullshit where you avoid answering anything you can't misrep: HOW WOULD MOMO DYING AFFECT A NON-FACTIONAL PT IN VR, WHEN THEIR ROLE PM SPECIFIES COMMUNICATION IN REALITY?

PEdit: holy shit did you not read our original claims that are consistent with each other right down to the fucking flavour

[KidAmn]

So let's see if KidAmn and Vecna modify their claim to VR only and in which case we send Titus back into yesteryear as Vecna wanted.

Great KidAmn retroactively changes their claim to VR only.

Got it.

VOTE: Titus

THAT IS LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I SAID. I AM NOT CHANGING MY FUCKING CLAIM. LINKS ARE ONLY USABLE WHEN 2+ PEOPLE IN A LINK ARE IN VR. MY ROLE PM AND ZACH'S ROLE PM REFER ONLY TO "NON-FACTIONAL PTs". NEITHER OF US HAS EVER, AND NEITHER OF US WILL EVER, RETROACTIVELY CHANGE OUR CLAIM. GET THE FUCK OUT.

ALL THE GODS OF ALL THE RACES AND CREEDS OF THIS EARTH WILL NOT HELP YOU IF YOU AREN'T SCUM, MATH.

[KidAmn]

Scum have fake claims KidAmn.

You never mentioned VR in your claim.
You are now mentioning it.

The only way I believe this isn't bastard is if you forgot it in your claim.

WHY ARE YOU STATING THIS LIKE IT IS GOSPEL

MOMO LITERALLY ONLY CLAIMED THE PARTS OF THEIR ROLE THAT DON'T REFERENCE SCUM

I DIDN'T MENTION VR IN MY CLAIM BECAUSE MY ROLE PM DOESN'T MENTION VR. IT USES THE LANGUAGE I HAVE POINTED OUT TO YOU MULTIPLE TIMES.

I AM MENTIONING VR BECAUSE YOU ARE SAYING THAT SOMEHOW, MOMO THE REALITY ENABLER DYING SWITCHED OFF YOUR LINK THAT ONLY WORKS WITH 2+ PEOPLE IN VR, AND THAT BY SOME TWISTED LOGIC THAT MEANS I'M LYING ABOUT MY CLAIM THAT PERFECTLY MIRRORS ZACH

[KidAmn]

[KidAmn]

Through your passion I clearly see you are telling the truth which goes against mod confirmed information.

REMEMBER WHEN ME GETTING ANGRY WAS A SIGN I WAS SCUM MATH

REMEMBER WHEN YOU SAID THAT YESTERDAY

GET OUT SCUM