Spring Fever (Endgame)

[Vecna]

he got replaced by someone super easy to read though!
c:<

WE'LL SEE ABOUT THAT

VENGEANCE WILL BE MINE

(fucking spam buckets)

[Vecna]

Titus, wanna bond with me? You can be the active bonding member. You wont even have to speak at all.

The fact im offering to bond with you has allready towncleared me. Anyone that ever has played a game where we were in it together knows this as a fact.

Gorkington, you will now publicly town-clear me or accept that you are confirmed scum.

Lets see, who else do we got......

Ok, im town.

So, we doing this bonding thing Titus?

[Vecna]

Also, I have finished reading page 2, and Alisae is most definately scum.

VOTE: Alisae

[Vecna]

Vecna, try catching up before you do stuff.

Who is this, addressing me like he knows me?

I am not familiair with thee

[Vecna]

Hey Giga

[Vecna]

Gorkington, you will now publicly town-clear me or accept that you are confirmed scum.

lol.
yeah okay bud.

Thank you, I guess now that I am towncleared I can return to the shadows.

Adios fucko's.

[Vecna]

vecna.
im expecting
full on
complete
townleader vecna
within 48 hours.
or im putting you in a mafia coffin.

Better be carefull what you wish for.

Whether itll be within 48 hours is yet to be determined. I have a full day schedule during the day tomorrow.

My sunday is fully filled.

Its 1am here now.

But im starting my reread right now. Wouldnt wanna disappoint the gorkington

At any rate; TITUS DID YOU HEAR THAT? IM EXPECTED TO PLAY TOWN LEADER.

YOU ARE GOING TO PROMISE ME THAT WERE BONDING. OR IM LYNCHING YOU. NO DURESS OR ANYTHING

isnt that fun.

Oh boy what a grand entrance. Im so in love with my play.

[Vecna]

vecna is scum
jj is town

~narna

What happened to your dog?

We even have transcend in this game.

I demand to see the dog back

[Vecna]

I didn't know you were European, Vecna

~TD

(im even from the same country as you Menno)

[Vecna]

This is where part 1 of my catch-up wall starts.

Spoiler:

This is all the sads.

All i've ever wanted in my life is an Ali hood.

Bella hoods are great tho we crushed our last hood

PEdit: But I am le towns

Happy to see Frogger in another game, his departure in the last one was too soon. I feel like we might get a second chance at that town-circle thing. No mathblade in sight. No ABR either. Score.

I'm sorry my long lost love, we can't bond.

DO NOT BOND WITH ME. IT WILL NOT WORK

The -irony- here is biting. Its like a full-on reverse from civ. Well basically half a full-on reverse. Im crumbing my role here.

Hi, I am Aelita. I am a sad panda.

Ugh, and theres goes my happyness

I love trolling rc

I slammed RC for vagueness of my role PM. He was not pleased. Tough luck son.

Gigabond?

Is this bond allready taken? Id strongly consider bonding with giga or Dunn if titus is not an option. So many enticing options.

Fiiiiiiiiire
staaaaaawp
trolllllling
meeeeeeeeee

You're burnin my roses ;~;

You keep trying to buddy me!!!!!

But I read your sig!
I am nervous of your scum game!

Requesting Titus' opinion over this Firebringer opening. Im not used to such frivolous openings from the slot. Its allready feeling well scummy at this point. Opinion Titus?

Oh yeah, this playerlist is fucking lit.
This is going to be a good, high quality game.

Famous
Last
Words

Red like roses fills my dreams and brings me to the place you rest.
White is cold and always yearning, burdened by a royal test.
Black the beast descends from shadows.
Yellow beauty burns gold.

ok just need to bleach off the ball gags real quick

eyes wide shut tuesday got a little out of hand last time...

Honestly, at this point im just quoting a lot of posts to make this wall look big and impressive since obviously nothing interesting is happening on the first x pages. Lets see if anyone is actually reading this stuff and calling me out on this. Also, kinky.

just make sure i don't get lynched d1

rc games are fun and i got mathbladed last time

zzz

Better than to get Titus'd and being forced to suddenly read 100 pages as a townclear.....which is kind of giving me a deja-vu, since im a townclear this game as well. You guys just dont know it yet.

Give me one good reason to vote me for pointing out something known to public.

It's a mix of pointing out daytalk right away, acting defeated about it (it really doesn't matter?), and now this reaction (not quite realizing why I voted you and trying to paint it as something else)

Shots fired - im already getting a small townread on dunnstral on page6. Awesome. Town dunnstral is a great thing. And it was an interesting test and conclusion as well.....This aelita is setting records for an early aelita-post count because everyone will be like "omg it posted more than 5 times in a single dayphase, it must be town".

It matters to me, bud. I am weird. Get used to it.

Oh, confrontational as well eh. Thats a new trick.

Hi all. Ego post for now.

Oh look its me.

Disclaimer: I am deaf. Because I am deaf, my partner cannot post in bonds. However, I will take the passive role in that bond (and have to if I understand my role PM correctly)

So boring, there is absolutely no subtlety to these crumbs and its totally ruining my surprise.

Who wants to bond with me? I love neighborhoods, I thrive on neighborhoods. Give me a neighborhood and I am a happy camper. :3

......hahahahhahahahahhahaha

VOTE: eddiebyte

vote doesn't change til you change your avi back to my old avi

This is feeling like forced Transcend-troll/non-caring posting. Scumnotch for Transcend.

I hate me too, probably different reasons you hate me.
But I think you smell so your opinion doesn't matter gorkington

hes scum so his opinion also doesnt matter also sheep me

~giggles

why would you vote me for that post i dont get it

it reads kind of strained

No it didnt. Forced reaction from the Giga hydra.

Hello travelers! I am shiqf, two slices of ham!

VOTE: Gorkington

Another scum entry. I like Gorkington.

i dont like being wagoned ugh
oof

ow
firebringer why are you doing this to me you made me look so bad by saying all of those things
why are you so good at reading my early game

Yeah, this is town Gorkington. Not that you should buy my opinion on the matter. Im terrible at reading Gorkington. But he's still town.

It matters to me, bud. I am weird. Get used to it.

dunn aelita's reaction to your push is kinda obvtown

also dunn wtf r u talking about with trans

Hello travelers! I am shiqf, two slices of ham!

VOTE: Gorkington

serious vote?

either way

i dont like being wagoned ugh
oof

ow
firebringer why are you doing this to me you made me look so bad by saying all of those things
why are you so good at reading my early game

yeah uh

NO
IM NOT FUCKING AROUND RIGHT NOW THIS IS HOW I PLAY THIS GAME

HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF NOT BEING TRUTHFUL

<:/

ive never played with gork so i dont actually know if this is his norm but either way

Is this how this Eddie fellow posts? I dont like it. Makes me want to lynch the slot. So far everything this slot has written makes me want to lynch the slot.

I am crazzzyyyy traiiiiinnnnn, and I am looooviiiinggg it

The offer to the big penguin still stands.

this is still coached scum

Oh

I see what this is

Giga rolled scum and doesn't want to be in a neighborhood with me because they're rightly scared I'd read them for what they truly are

Exactly.

I can't be killed by my own faction

~Postie

Some novelty role with a posting restriction eh? Try and get some credibility and sign all your posts with my name.

How are you Gork? Got a bond?

im okay.

Nooo. More happiness needed. What makes you happy?

What the hell happened to titus? Titus, was this during your yesterday trolling/shittalking session? What a weird succession of posts.

Allright, ive managed to wade through the first 10 pages of drivel at walrus speed.

First impressions:

Dunn town
Gork town
Aelitta strange, talking a lot
Titus very strange
Giga hydra scummy
Firebringer Scummy
Transcend Scummy
Needs more Frogger.

sleep-time

[Vecna]

Also, I have finished reading page 2, and Alisae is most definately scum.

VOTE: Alisae

I have not done ANYTHING AI in those 2 pages.
This is complete bullshit. Your wording here implies that your scumread is super fucking heavy considering it's been 2 pages.
Can we lynch this?

Hahahahaha, here fishy fishy fishy, i have a wurm for you.

[Vecna]

ik right gork im sry
im just an impatient
person
;~;

This reaction and the preceding posts arer really strange

[Vecna]

Notice as in Jaereed? He's in this game?

[Vecna]

Never mind, its 2 am, my vision is blurry and its time for a nap.

Remaining catch-up will have to wait for aproximately 16ish hours or so due to weekend shenanigans.

Id like to bond with someone, and im a delayed neighbourhood prolonger - with the awesome caveat of being the only person that can talk in my hoods since im deaf so im going nanananana cant hear you. Im just copying the fake-claim started by thinkbig to hide my pool of sizeable and powerfull abilities.

Except a ton of fake-guilties from me. Or not. Maybe theyre real. You'll know once I flip. But be expecting me to out guilties on my bonded partners a lot.

[Vecna]

Startup part 2 commencing now. Titus voting me means Titus likely being scum.

[Vecna]

Catchup wall + notes part 2, starting at gamepage 10.

define: bonding

Let me explain what a bond is.

You see when companies are trying to raise capital they have two primary methods of doing so.
They either issue stocks or they get loans.

One loan or investment is a bond.
A bond is just something that general public can have access to.
Company borrows from you in order to finance their operations and they pay a fixed rate called the coupon rate or stated rate of the bond.

Now that's different than the actual market interest rate is, which if you want to go further changes whether the bond is being sold at premium or discount which affects the worth of bond, but that is kind of useless to you.

Bonds are good investment tools but the general public rarely owns bonds except for in things like mutual funds which will have a mixture of stocks and bonds that gets a modest rate of returns


Now there is also a seperate thing called being "bonded"
Which in financial world just means being insured. This is usually for someone entrusted with some money or asset so if the asset goes missing, the insurance company will cover damages and the bonded person while be investigated.

Any questions?

Scumread on Firebringer increasing, too much clever little posting still going on from the slot at this point.

VOTE: eddiebyte

Happiness shall be infinite!

Titus still all over the place, suspicion increasing.

VOTE: Titus

Down with your fake happiness.

SvS shenanigans? They never do this in all the other games ive played with em.

ahhhhhhhhhhhh ok thnx

More reasons to be suspicious of Transcend. Fake/forced trolling & shitposting at first, and now he's suddenly interested in game-mechanics? Uh-huh.

hi everyone wow look there sure are a lot of pages already haha
looking forward to playing a game of mafia!
should be a lot of fun i think!

Gork is actually good at this game.

That he comes in with a newb sounding post like this is something he's well aware could get him scumread

And he did it anyway because he DGAF

He's town


So again Eddiebyte, explain that scumread

Frogger doing things that sound towny.

-----

More posts on page 11 from Aelita, Titus and Giga hydra that make me suspicious (cba quoting all)

------

We need hugs though.

I live the hug life.

Is that like the thug life's twin sister?

Is Fire really trying to poke/explain Titus' jokes? Chill out on the cheesy SvS interactions, please.

Hey Alisae.

Reciprocate: Hug

Transcend, why did you just consume and spit out my post

This is the slot im going to ignore this game I think

Oh yeah

two things.

1. VOTE: Eddiebyte

2. If Bella and I successfully bond, I know you guys will hate this but, instead of spamming this thread I'll probably just hideout in our hood tomorrow

Can you explain to me the eddiebyte wagon to me? I kinda just woke up and don't get it.

AND NOOOOOOOOOOOOO FROG YOU GIVE ME SADS ;~;

page 13 or 14 and im still not liking any of Alisae's posts. In fact im hating them with a passion. It better change quickly.

UNVOTE: Gorkington
It was a real vote, but gorks reaction to his wagon looks genuine

I'm really bad at reading all these shitposts, but I'm sorting a little bit

I read this at first and thought this is town

I reread it and i think it's more scummy

Conclusion: shut up frog

I had the same exact reaction, but opposite. Frogger is still town though.

I voted Gork for his 166

Shiqf instantly shaken at a whiff of pressure. Might be scum as well.

ok gork is town
and titus and mcmenno are here
titus posting is town i think from them?
menno would be posting like this from either alignment
and that pick of the person from aelita's avi is fucking adorable

Strange entrance post from RM. Keeping an eye on the slot. I like RM. Also, I have no unholy idea why he thinks the posting from Titus was town-posting.

also:

VOTE: eddiebyte
frog and alisae can be town.

Bingo, reads are meshing. RM is town (not sure I agree on the Alisae part yet, but the other 2 statements I agree with completely)

swell.
eddie/ali can be my scumreads.
bella/fire can be my townreads.
frogger can be my hopefully townlean.
woooooooo

More meshing of reads. Gorkington is going to be my town-buddy this game.

btw i can't be bonded.

Woah, I'm gonna need more time with the actual posting here to put some reads together, but I'm suspicious of the Eddie wagon. Not because I disagree that Eddie's behaviour is a bit scummy, because it is, but because of how the wagon has formed.

I think Frog townread Bella for a combination of meta/familiarity and, more importantly, being on the Eddie bandwagon. I'm suspicious of Frog and Random from that wagon.

I hate this post. Its the worst post in the thread up untill this point. Attention on this JJ Abrahams guy is increasing.

Ok, I submitted the bond.
Time for prod dodges on my least favorite day.

I am taking requests for smiles and hugs.

Why so passive day1 again Titus? Do something spectacular already.

VOTE: shiqf

gork is null at worsf

Ufff, the slot continues to post scummy stuff.

ok i think i've antagonized alisae enough today

i'm gonna go take a shit

Your antagonizing game is rather weak. Up it up 4 notches please.

Wait, how am I the one shooting down anyone? Frog dismissed my argument as something it wasn't. He's being passive aggressive here. I don't think he's trying to make me seem like I'm scum, but he's definitely trying to discredit me as a bad town.

Ali, you're the only person in this game I can meta-read and the only time you've been scum, you were SK and the way our little exchange went forced some differences in play. But I'm going to townread you for your total lack of subtlety in general here.


I'm actually townreading Bella because Frog reasoning is pretty solid and nobody has challenged his ability to meta-read Bella. I don't trust my opinions on the hydras, because I've never played with hydras before and there being 2 people fucks with the way I tend to read.

There's been a lot of shitposting that I'd have to wade through 2-3 more times in order to really get a feel for everyone, and we're getting into an actual conversation here with plenty of IRL time to go, so I'm not sure it's worth doing that.


PEdit:

Vote: Eddiebyte

I like the vote......but the tone of this post comes off extremely weird. I dont know this person (i think?) but this post alone is grounds for being extremely suspicious of this slot. Ill be keeping an eye on you as well.

I don't particularly think our wagon is scum driven though. I wouldn't be shocked if it was all town, and would be extremely shocked if there was more than one scum. this kind of rvs wagon is usually mostly town and scum usually milks towncred off of it. at least, that's if you don't put stock in vca I mostly consider those votes on us townie tonally more than anything esle. I find scum often like to attach arbitrary reasoning etc to votes.

More scumposting^extreme. After reading this shit im raelly wondering hwo this day didnt end like within 2 pages of this shit going down.

Like, the way Eddie analyzed his wagon was like "I'm throwing out words and reads to look like I'm doing something and look like I'm being productive."
I don't like it.

This.

WAIT?
IS TRANSCEND READING ME CORRECTLY????????

(His role makes that rather easy)

=(

Please request hug. I no like frowns.

Does this Titus posting style ever stop? I havent played a game with scumtus yet, but dont tell me this is the playstyle people are referring to as mastermind Titus? Right now its more like someone with an extremely large tongue drewling all over the place.

-------- THIS IS THE TOWN

{Fro99er}
{Firebringer}
{Bellaphant}

-------- THIS IS THE TOWN LEAN

{Transcend, Gorkington}
{jjh927}

-------- THIS IS THE NULL

{Titus, Heartless}
{shiqf, McMenno, Randomidget, ThinkBig}
{Dunnstral, Aelita}

-------- THIS IS THE SLIGHT SCUM LEAN

{Alisae}

-------- THIS IS THE SCUM

{Eddiebyte}

Hmmmmmm.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I dont vibe well with these reads really. Which is surprising, last game me and frogger were pretty much on the same page about a lot of things. Whats going on here. Only the Eddie, Menno and Heart reads are where id put them....which is a rather big difference overall. Maybe its because im not live-reading, maybe its because Frogger has a lot more experience with a bunch of these people.....but these....reads.....feel off to me.

I'm pretty happy, actually. It's my default state.

Alisae, I actually townread ThinkBig just because he's deaf. He can't fake someone else not being able to post, right? So I have no reason to doubt that this is fact. Next up, we have to consider why a scum role would have this modifier, and I just can't see it happening. It smells of balance changes to make a town role weaker. I don't really think it would make scum any weaker.

Ooooh look at the smart boy. Yes, that right. My role mechanically townclears me pretty much.

But tb's is provable and yours isn't

And you're a known fakeclaimer

You have to privately agree to bond. What you're claiming can be faked

yeah.....its kind of convenient that >2< people claimed to not be able to bond. I guess scum has daychat, eh?

Holy crap nearly 30 pages already?!?

I will be at work for 3 more hours. I'll hopefully be posting some tonight. Due to my negative utilities, I was thinking about claiming ok full. However, I still have a few questions about my role.

Flavor Name: Beethoven
Role: I am a Modified Bond Passively Bonded Self-Enabling Disabled Night-Talk Enabler.

Essentially if I understand everything correctly, when I am passive in a bond, I can compose a piece of music and the following night I will enable night chat for the game.

Oh, my role was full-claimed already, how wonderfull. Guess im not gonna be alive very long in this game. Unless scum realize im most likely just an innocent child which enables night chat every once in a while with bad reads

Hehehehe, look at Alisae dreading the idea of having to waste a NK on thinkbig.

It's consistent, though. He's not completely certain that his role is the way he understands it. Twice.

I can confirm that this is due to how the role PM is written. It is quite tricky to understand, and took even me a while.

hopefully i'll get there.
im pretty bummed in general right now and i dont like how im playing

p-edit: hehe

Bummed is not acceptable. Would you like cat videos?

Im starting to suspect Titus has some role requirement that every post she makes needs to be hippy/uplifting/goody-goody in nature. Is your flavour like bob dylan or bob marley Titus? Or the teacher from beavis and butthead?

No. I'm supposed to post happy things, you do all the scum catching while I am on a beach, smiling.

O snap, called it.

[Vecna]

oops, forgot that spoiler thing, sorry.

[Vecna]

Hmmm it also seems that something went wrong with the quote thing, theres a lot of thoughts there that all appear to be part of one post (theyre not).

[Vecna]

Startup part 2 commencing now. Titus voting me means Titus likely being scum.

So your stance is that anyone voting you is scum? :O

Well, I am the same, let's bond.

We can do that.

[Vecna]

Ill need to be passive though Aelita, as described in TB's earlier claim (you can see it quoted in my wall if you missed it).

[Vecna]

Startup part 2 commencing now. Titus voting me means Titus likely being scum.

So your stance is that anyone voting you is scum? :O

Well, I am the same, let's bond.

Would you agree to be passive?
If so, we'll bond with you.

Can also bond with you, my ability requires me to be passive for that nightchat to be enabled night2.

[Vecna]

Startup part 2 commencing now. Titus voting me means Titus likely being scum.

I didn't vote for you, I voted for ThinkBig. Nothing you have done has made me change my mind, and especially not this thinly veiled threat.

Oh ok fair enough, I didnt read the last 10 pages or so, I thought you had voted me after I replaced in, which I wouldve found very scummy (which I think you can understand).

[Vecna]

Does this Titus posting style ever stop? I havent played a game with scumtus yet, but dont tell me this is the playstyle people are referring to as mastermind Titus? Right now its more like someone with an extremely large tongue drewling all over the place.

Actually saw this. No one referred to me as a mastermind, so where did you get that impression?

Not in this game, I think it was in like.....Code geass? When talking about your scum game. not certain anymore.

[Vecna]

Startup part 2 commencing now. Titus voting me means Titus likely being scum.

So your stance is that anyone voting you is scum? :O

Well, I am the same, let's bond.

Would you agree to be passive?
If so, we'll bond with you.

Can also bond with you, my ability requires me to be passive for that nightchat to be enabled night2.

Back off. Heartless is bonding with me and Aelita.

you dont want the chat to continue being enabled during the night?

I think everyone can (and should) agree that that is quite a nice priority we can all agree on we should capitalize on.

I dont care who im bonding, I just need to be bonded with someone that wants to get active.

When you bond with me, you will not be able to speak in the PT, itll be all me. Ill write a nice diary.

[Vecna]

Nah I actually said that. The quote thing got messed up, theres a lot of my responses that I wrote in that big quote wall, where I quoted stuff and commented, but somehow it parsed it all as one big quote - which was not intended.

[Vecna]

Anyways continuing with my catchup.

[Vecna]

I like waiting for people to give an inkling that they have reads before I start reading people, because I believe tone is a really important tool for scumhunting and you can't really analyse tone without knowing what people think about other people.

You're not looking for any specific tone by itself. You're looking for one that is itself out of place. I don't think Alisae has much of a case here, and I've been able to match his trains of thought in the past.

Im starting to like this JJ more and more, the more I see him post. It could still be scum, but he's at least producing some sensible things. The fact he correctly analysed TB doesnt hurt ofcourse. I guess I actually agree strategically with TB's descision to claim the role, and was considering doing the same thing after my reread.

UNVOTE:

By the way we're not lynching at all until every bond is figured out

I think Titus is scum though

Mcmenno pls confirm you did the thing when you're here/we're doing the thing

Then why did you unvote titus. I haven't looked, but there's either 0 or 1 votes on her. Why unvote?

This is an attempt to look towny by unvoting then saying it's all about the BONDS baby

teeehehehehehehe
shit posting is turning awesome... i already have three srs and dunn weakest yippie skippy

Titus' your posting is really weird. Your reads are really weird as well. I cant follow how you could reach those SR's youre having here at all.

im probably going to vote dunnstral if thinkbig fizzles.
but.
i dont really think thinkbig is going to fizzle.

I really find it rather strange people are actually voting TB and talking about voting TB here so much. The claim he made is so obv-town this feels really really weird. What gives Gorkington. I feel you need to explain to me, now, why you were trying to push this wagon so hard. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Ditto to Titus, who likes to think about mechanics as well. She should also know this role is basically a town-confirm. Its like an innocent child in a slightly different casing.

im back

Who do you think is scum RC?
I'll sheep your reads.

I get the idea you have more info

Fire continues to shitpost, and shitpost, and shitpost. Up until this point he hasnt made a single post with actually game related content. Not used to this posting style. Scumread intensifies.

But seriously. L3 already. Wtf am I even doing wrong?

Scum caught for the wrong reasons.

Except I'm town.

Meh, I do have to admit my predecessors posting style was pretty pretty useless.

I lightly trd tb before 962, my better half thinks he's scum but I thinks scumn tb wouldn't have been phonwposting there as a whole. i think if anything hed be lurking on phone and posting in the scum pt if hed be posting at all. he did not answer why he claimed which I want to know. sniping out of our wallpost and posting this now to say I am now doubting that with this replace. unrelated I don't want tb to replace out on my last game for a while :v

But arent you happy with the replacement giga?

I town read Fro99er firstly because scum usually don't push people for town reading them.

I might replace out.

NO

FUCK NO

YOU TOWN READ ME AND THEN I PUSHED YOU FOR TOWN READING ME

WHY DID YOU TOWN READ ME IN THE FIRST PLACE

Hi frog, im TB's replacement, and I also think youre probably town. Gonna try and push me too? (Id advise against it.)

the wall's kind of getting more incoherent than normal so i might just cut some stuff off and get to it after i fully catch up btw if it's needed

probably gonna finish it in a sec and then however long it takes eddie to skim the entire thing before i post (i hate wall posting for that reason but here i think it's kind of necessary for obv reasons)

pedit: honestly i never know how to read thinkbig like i instinctively scumread everything he does and i've liked alisae's interactions with me here so im trusting his meta

eddie's tr i get though which is why i actually want to cold meta him myself when im less........

TB has done nothing but shitpost since he revealed his role. I still think that would probably be a town role btw, but the way he's handled people voting him and asking him questions has been shit.

HOWEVER, I don't think we should lynch him today, scum or not. His role can only be beneficial to town. We just need to decide on a town member to pair with him to get that person a free active pairing in the bond and the ability to talk in night 2.

i dont really see why forced-passive is specifically town utility, scum can be passive normally.

actually rereading the claim i'm not even sure what it is like is he an encryptor or does he let us talk after the lynch...?

Seriously, these tripple announcements of a wall post are kind of scummy Giga.....Like you want to try even harder and harder to push out all the potential towncred, because you wrote a post that is slightly above average in length? This post better be worth it.

Except TB claims a lot.
For no reason.
TBH
it might be the only thing I can really think of at the moment that makes him town.

Except I think it's also very possible that TB's firsts posts, he claimed neg utility, and checked in with his scumteam to see how he should proceed from there.

+

ALI YOU SEE WHAT I AM SAYING YES?

Im starting to get the feeling theres 1 scum in Frog/Alisae. Hi Alisae, how is this making you feel?

1004

Ok, this wall is actually kind of pretty. I havent played with scum-giga, so im not sure if theyre capable of fabricating this train of thought, but it looks pretty towny - allthough ive never seen them post anything close to this elaborate as town before halfway into day1, so it could -maybe maybe- also be some scum posting, but most likely not.

GUYS

EDDIEBYTE SCUMSLIPPED

CLICK ON 353 IN THAT WALL

PRIVATE TOPIC

i also have no idea how transcend is your top townread.

he's really easy to read in general

like he's usually obvscum when he's scum and reads as like weirdly passive - like "ethereal" is the word i use to describe it in my head but i don't know if that makes sense

the rest of the table besides dunn i'm not super familiar with but like trans i can read with like 99.9% certainty

mcmenno's vote isnt even about me which i guess is fine but i have no clue how 284 is even a scumclaim so uh....... plus the rest of his posting is kind of just lazy posturing that doesn't really strike me as trying to fish for a reaction (which is the only town motive i could really come up with)

btw I tried clicking on the link and for some reason it didn't work?

it's the post where eddie claims a n0 guilty - probably got fucked up with all of the c&ping from the pt

(i forgot i have other games to catch up on so im not going yet)

like gork's entrance was basically like that as were his reactions

Wait, so it was like gork here?

Or still talking about that other game? Was gork scum there?

ok hold on

I scumread dunn in bee movie mafia but i had a stronger scumread in creature in that game

i pushed dunn in rvs lazily in that game in a similar manner i pushed gork in this game (who i also scumread at the time)

does this help? :/

Kind of interesting though......giga commented on my part1 of the wall saying he agreed and felt the same about some of my quotes where i scumread Transcend.....but here he's saying its his biggest townread, and hes easy to read.....so what is it Giga?

Replace me

I"m having an awful game so far and you all deserve better than me. Please give me access to dead thread. Thanks.

If this is a strategic replace I'm blacklisting you forever after the shit you pulled in Cabd's game

It wasnt, the poor guy probably felt bad because you guys were all bashing on him for CLAIMING HIS ROLE. Which, with the role he described to you guys - was a strategically strong move, and pretty much impossible to be an actual scum role in role madness (and RC's pr's in these games are usually pretty damn strong judging by the last Upick he did, no?). How should he have responded to everyone suddenly scumreading him because he claimed early?

I'm gonna

unvote

and go to sleep.

Well, unless anyone wants to ask me anything before I do. 5 minutes or so.

PEdit: Are replacements due to this kind of crap common here?

I think tb is a good guy and wouldn't strategically replace out intentionally, I do know he hates playing scum passionately and I do know he evaded questions in the process of subbing out.

Not sure what use it is at this point, but ill gladly answer anything (if I can) if theres still open questions. I actually agree with the way he handled claiming the role. At any rate, anyone that has played with me as town before knows im a rather easy townread, and theres pretty much only 2 people on this site that misread me often while im town.

[Vecna]

Okay.
Yeah I feel a lot more solid about my Frog read.

You already said this like 250 posts ago

Yeah but your anger with TB here reminds me of your anger with Pine in Civ.

It does? It doesnt really strike as similair to me at all. Strange thing to say. Meh, maybe its truthfull, but it still strikes me as odd.

i too read people only by how believable their claims are.

I claim mayor Mason vigilante cop who is death proof

This dude just keeps at it. Its page fucking fourty-five at this point. Still not a single content-post

VOTE: Firebringer

Can we like, lynch this slot?

firebringer is town.

Talk to me about this, because I dont buy this conclusion at all. Every single game ive played with fire he actually tries at town and is at least partially inquisitive. What are you basing your conclusion on Gork? Im calling you on your shit here, and im being serious about it. Answers.

Ill even end the post here, because I want some replies to this

[Vecna]

Im starting to get the feeling theres 1 scum in Frog/Alisae. Hi Alisae, how is this making you feel?

Me and Frog are like best buds dude. If anything, it tells me that you don't understand how well we work together.

How come this didnt really shine through in civ day1 where you were both town?

[Vecna]

It does? It doesnt really strike as similair to me at all. Strange thing to say. Meh, maybe its truthfull, but it still strikes me as odd.

Yo, why do you feel the need to posture here?

Its not posturing, its how I feel. Also youre wrong about my slot and the conclusion you drew about TB. I think you could be wrong about frog as well, but im not anywhere near certain yet.

Remember Code Geass? Im going to adress you in the very same way again. Youre once again having the wrong read on my slot, and youre going to have to get over it. Youre wasting your time.

[Vecna]

The fuck is happening with TB? Is this a meta self-deprecating ATE? I'm with you on calling it unethical, Frog. The question is, would scum!TB destroy every last shred of future credibility with a last ditch attempt to sway the town with... this? I think TB is just a horrendously frustrated town now. If he actually pulled this shit off as scum, what would be the meta-consequences?

This is scummy

Catchup wall continuing, guess its only here where it starts happening what you just mentioned Giga. Before this post everything Fire did was pure fluff & nonsense. I might not be fully aware of the meta since Gorkington also made that rediculous "this is town fire" post, but im not seeing it based on my own experiences (maybe theyre flawed due to hydra's being in the mix).

I guess ill keep an open mind, but I have low tolerance for contiuous contentless shitposting when I know the slot can do much better.

tbh I sorta agree with what jj is saying here. I don't see why scum defends tb here unless tb is fake claiming and has a really important role that the scumteam has to keep.

Surely you cannot be REALLY thinking this? TB has claimed 2 things that are both verifiable. They all fit to a certain flavour. This type of reasoning is rediculous alisae. There is no reason to fakeclaim something you cannot deliver on AS SCUM, in your very first post. They claimed it because this role can have some easy town utility, but it needs to be linked in a certain way, and theres a slight disadvantage in that the linked person cannot comunicate in the PT. Scum will have to deal with it by either using a NK on a role that is no direct danger to them, besides the vote from someone -that should be near town-confirmed upon claim-. This role is essentially a slightly better innocent child, except you have to confirm yourself instead of having the mod do it. Im going to eat a NK, or be town leader and give us night chat. Its that simple.

Ending my short wall again, because this is also important.

[Vecna]

okay vecna. you said you agree with thinkbig claiming there, correct? why do you think claiming there made any sense?

Because the utility in this role is being pretty much town-confirmed in a role madness setup Giga. The nightchat is a nice gimmick, but its not really earth-shattering. The good part of the role is that it could -never- be a scum power in role madness. Anyone with a grain of common sense that can setup spec should see this instantly. Scum need potent abilities to circumnavigate the minefield of town abilities, not -this- role that I have.

Scum will either have to waste a nightkill on me, a nightkill they cannot then use to hit/hunt a powerfull PR, or theyll have to deal with me as near town-clear. And I intend to make the price of not NK'ing me high.

Besides, Ludwig von Beethoven as scum? Go listen to some moonlight sonata and calm your troubled mind.

[Vecna]

Im not gonna forget to put a nice spoiler around my wall this time. BUT, please dont let that stop you from actually reading them. You buggers now I can obv-town so please allow me the possibility and read all that

Spoiler:

I'm october 8th.



And what, you're saying that I would defend town!TB for towncred? I assure you, I do not know TB's alignment but I take his breaking down to be sincere and personally believe that it would be worse on so many levels to break down like that as scum. I do not think he is a terrible person, as Frog seems to be implying. If you townread someone who is on the chopping block, you should always speak up.

No I am saying the way you went about defending or throwing questions in game was inherently scummy.

Nothing to do with TB alignment

ooh, it finally woke up. Thinking that JJ is White-knighting my slot. It might be the case. I do think at least one towny shouldve seen the inherent towny nature of the actual claim, since its just rediculous to think the claim could be a scum claimin that ability.

i think its worse if tb is town.

This may be true for the way he defended himself and replaced out.....but lets be honest here. The fact pretty much noone even thought things through with the actual claim is kind of sad as well.

So you weren't understanding what I was refering to when I was crumbing about chocolates and stuff.

Are chocolates in this context the same thing as cookies but slightly difference? Because if so, I have a real sweet tooth, and ill make you see the light yet - ive never failed in that regard yet, and you know it - so give me some time and an open mind.

i just wanted to say
that as of right now
ive got a good feeling about this group of players.
like.
sometimes i play a game
and im like "oh my fuck if i die everything will fall apart".
but i think theres some good townies in this game.
and im kind of excited about it!

I think youre misreading at least 1 of them.

like holy shit we've had two wagons in one day.
thats awesome sauce.

p-edit: I WASNT GOING TO SAY IT BUT I MEAN.

We had about 5 in civ mafia day1....didnt turn out so well

Told you thinkbig was town

Transcend, im feeling ignored. Are you scum white-knighting my predecessor? Im getting weird vibed from you.

JJ you can stop defending TB

We get it.

You think he's town.

How about scumhuting instead

And this post again I kind of like. I really hope my little voice is wrong and Frogger is actually town. That'd be nice. Id like the option of a 2nd try.

haha sorry titus
frog and i are uncatchable now.

Gorkington, why so high on the continuous shitposting. Care to do some more goodposting again? And none of that evil Ate that you used to fool me last time.

better question:

why is he scum

nononononononononooono

"why is he town?" is a perfectly good question

i mean... i GUESS you could possibly townread the replace-out outburst/s but that should've been shattered by the retraction

what is town about 4 half-assed townreads on the spammer friends?

Im getting some scum-pings from this slot as well. Just small ones for now. But now that I think about it.....this slot really hasnt done shit yet so far. Im gonna go ahead and place an early wager this one is carefully hiding scum.

PEdit: It would be town utility, wouldn't it? I guess I'm assuming things are predictable like that. Maybe I am wrong after all.

(quick aside about MS meta: any upick mod worth their salt will make scum roles that have conceivable town utility. it's also possible there's "scummy" dimensions to the role [like strongman or ninja or something] in addition to the "town" part. with a few exceptions [obvious confirmables like mason/IC; for the most part killing roles are town] role is null in upicks/role madness.)

Yuuuuuup, this slot is starting to ping me slightly harder for scum now. Im expecting a push from the slot to see if it can get TB lynched in the next few pages without actually being an obvious driving force behind it.

Im watching you potential buckets.

probably the best point for thinkbig being town now is transcend wking the wagon

oh. lol.

you guys have got to be kidding me if you think that his BEETHOVEN claim is fake and there's some scum counterclaim to that.

beethoven's not gonna be scumsided, the role he has doesn't sound scumsided at all

plus his iso is town as fuck what the fuck are you guys missing i don't even understand

thinkbig don't hardclaim in your third post for no reason next game lmfao

+

i really dont want to wagon trans like

if i have to pull up meta i will but after botching my read on trans in pyp-with-cards i can pick up when trans doesnt give a shit about the game and becomes easy lynchbait :/

@trans what do you think of dunn here? im kind of sketched out by the fact he completely ignored the fact im pushing on him and you havent really weighed in on him when i'm trying to wagon him against your townread?

ftr i'm not going to vote tb until i can at least review the meta points and i wont have time until like after work so

pedit:

you guys have got to be kidding me if you think that his BEETHOVEN claim is fake and there's some scum counterclaim to that.

beethoven's not gonna be scumsided, the role he has doesn't sound scumsided at all

plus his iso is town as fuck what the fuck are you guys missing i don't even understand

thinkbig don't hardclaim in your third post for no reason next game lmfao

you know flavor's nai right :/

Quite some truth in these posts, and they make me feel slightly better about both slots. They both might be town yet.

you guys have got to be kidding me if you think that his BEETHOVEN claim is fake and there's some scum counterclaim to that.

beethoven's not gonna be scumsided, the role he has doesn't sound scumsided at all

plus his iso is town as fuck what the fuck are you guys missing i don't even understand

thinkbig don't hardclaim in your third post for no reason next game lmfao

did you not read heartless statement about upicks the scum roles having SOME town utility?

you aren't new buddy.

BIG EEEEEEW-post. yuk. Scumpoints through - the - roof.

@trans what do you think of dunn here? im kind of sketched out by the fact he completely ignored the fact im pushing on him and you havent really weighed in on him when i'm trying to wagon him against your townread?

i can't read him anymore

he used to be so fucking obvious town within about 5 posts of his game

but now he's hard to read

Shame Transcend didnt post stuff like this straight away. Im actually likin this group of posts quite a lot, and I felt the exact same way. To me, Dunn's entrance felt like a carbon copy of PYP. He has gone inactive, and I dont know his scumgame, but I felt pretty good about a slight TR on dunn for his early posting. Not a read on very certain on yet, but its a good starting point.

i really think this excuse on TB role claim being town is silly.
if you want to argue TB doesn't claim his first post as scum, thats worthy of something.

Saying his role is inherently townie is stupid

It is not, at all. The role is inherantly towny.

Unless you really think its one of those games where I have a role pm with like 6 lines of abilities, with a ton of hidden scum potential that all need to mesh with the beethoven theme. Id rather say thinking along those lines is "stupid" as you put it though. And the Upick role design really doesnt get based on giving someone an OBVIOUS town role pm, and then just randomly adding some extra scum abilities that make no sense whatsoever flavourwise.

Lets just say my role is that of a frail old man. Its the role that balances the other town pr's with a higher power level. Thats what beethoven was after all. A musical genious with a nice trick, but very few other noteworthy traits (afaik).

plus his iso is town as fuck what the fuck are you guys missing i don't even understand

a town case should be SUPER easy then

This slot just keeps taking the occasional putshots at people, without really showing any hunting or original thought of its own.

This slot is quickly entering my scum top3

{also i have to be honest fire, im a little scared of heartless :s dont tell them i said that though}

aaaah, someone else is noticing what im noticing eh? Good. We finally get to be town together gorkington, and youre having a nice activity level here. Bravo, it pleases me.

i am hard to read. why are people town reading me?
if anyone should be nervous of someone, it should be you guys of me.
my scum game is pro now.

See: Kids Mafia

And these type of ego posts come from scum x times out of x [fill in your own imagined statistic, but its scum more often than not]

My scum list right now:

Transcend, JJ, Titus, Alisae

Alisae is weakest scum read, because their case on TB felt a bit townie, but meh.
I am not letting that read go easily.

But then again.....I might be allergic to his posting style, but I can vibe with these reads pretty well. I think he's wrong about transcend at this point (but im not too sure yet), but I can all see these reads coming from a town analysis quite easily.

You've made 85 posts and had zero impact on the game? I can't see where your head is at at all.

- its on purpose though.....the question is....why?

Lets see, im upto page 54 now or so. Not gonna stop just yet since its actually kind of an interesting game so far. Gonna try and do a new little reads-list thingy here.

These reads are as im seeing the game based on page 1-54, keep that in mind please.

Most likely town:

Gorkington, Transcend

Probably town, but not quite as certain:

Eddiebyte, Frogger, Alisae

Null, lurking or too much shitposting

Dunnstral, McMenno, RandomMidget, Shiqf, Aelita, Bella

Potential scum:

Heartless, JJ, Firebringer

Firebringer is the weakest scumread there. JJ isnt terribly strong of a read either. At this point id love to lynch McMenno since he's not gonna do any AI shit the entire game anyway and he'll be a lategame mislynch as town, and a good informationless scumlynch if scum. Yes, I know youre going to attack me for this last line, but its still a smart idea.

[Vecna]

And ofcourse, I forgot all about Titus in that list. Shes currently slightly in between blue/purple/red - im not used to this playstyle at all from her, and it hasnt shown me any of her normal towntells (but most of that is by design....which is annoying...I guess).

[Vecna]

Null, lurking or too much shitposting

I hope you're not saying I'm one of the last two

Read that stuff hidden in the spoiler and find out. I might quiz you about it later, and lynch you if I find out im writing all that stuff for jack with the large asscrack.

[Vecna]

im being pretty lazy in saying this.
but everything about vecna's engage with me and his read on me is wonky.

What do you mean with this? Im not really there to start live engaging yet since im still focusing on catching up

[Vecna]

"ahh gork im so paranoid of u"
"also ur play is weird! stop shitposting grrrrrrrrr get it because im trying to make it seem like im sorting you"
"but also ur town thanks for being town lets be town together!!"

I never said any of these first things? Im used to you doing that sort of shit from the other game and im fine with it since you actually let your thoughts shine through regardless. Unlike some other people. Youre not actually as hard to read as you think you are, and even though I let a certain meta-trick misdirect me in civ I still think youre quite easy to read here.

If you want me to engage with more in-depth stuff thats all fine and dandy, but id rather do that in a live setting than waste my time sweettalking to you based on stuff that you've said in days past. Im focusing on getting initial reads, and I toss in the occasional comment about stuff that stands out to me - your posts werent very much out of the ordinary.

Also, saying that role design and conclusions based on that have any link with that civ game is nonsense.

This is a role madness game with a completely different type of design. And yes, I do feel thinking that the role that was claimed can ever be a scum-role is nonsensical at best.

[Vecna]

I don't like being called inactive just because alisae and fro99er can't stop spamming

I've made like 100 posts in 3 days and I've been responding to stuff

Im not saying that, just that I noticed less of your posts between like page 30-55 that I could read allignment into. nothing more, nothing less.

[Vecna]

i dont think im hard to read.
i think you would be more hesitant here as town though.

and please, do tell me, why is your role NEVER in the hands of scum?
explain it to me.
like im a fucking dumbo.

Nah, I dont feel like I have to be hesitant. I was just stupid in civ for giving up a longtime read on the slot based on 2-4 posts from you that were well-crafted and that matched some of the stuff I saw you do elsewhere. In hindsight you didnt do a lot of the things that youve done in this game and in others, and im not gonna let the fact you fooled me once cloud my judgement or be ultra-suspicious of everything you did.

you did a good job fooling me in that context for a little while, but it wouldnt have lasted if town wasnt so hellbent on quicklynching that last day. im quite certain thats not whats happening here, and thats why im not divulging so much time to you in my catch-ups. If you'd like more attention, I can give it to you, because I dont want you to feel neglected sweetums

[Vecna]

It does? It doesnt really strike as similair to me at all. Strange thing to say. Meh, maybe its truthfull, but it still strikes me as odd.

Yo, why do you feel the need to posture here?

Its not posturing, its how I feel. Also youre wrong about my slot and the conclusion you drew about TB. I think you could be wrong about frog as well, but im not anywhere near certain yet.

Remember Code Geass? Im going to adress you in the very same way again. Youre once again having the wrong read on my slot, and youre going to have to get over it. Youre wasting your time.

It could be this. But maybe it's this. But it still strikes me as odd. Who knows?!?!?!?!

The definition of posturing.

Yeah whatever Ali, im used to it that it takes you some time to come around. Ill be here waiting for when you do. You'll realize im town in not too much time.

[Vecna]

okay vecna. you said you agree with thinkbig claiming there, correct? why do you think claiming there made any sense?

Because the utility in this role is being pretty much town-confirmed in a role madness setup Giga. The nightchat is a nice gimmick, but its not really earth-shattering. The good part of the role is that it could -never- be a scum power in role madness. Anyone with a grain of common sense that can setup spec should see this instantly. Scum need potent abilities to circumnavigate the minefield of town abilities, not -this- role that I have.

Scum will either have to waste a nightkill on me, a nightkill they cannot then use to hit/hunt a powerfull PR, or theyll have to deal with me as near town-clear. And I intend to make the price of not NK'ing me high.

Besides, Ludwig von Beethoven as scum? Go listen to some moonlight sonata and calm your troubled mind.

Three things. A. Why can't it be a scum role?
B. setup spec doesn't work D1 unless massclaim because lol why?
C. The last bit is kinda a fallacy since alignments were RNG'd.

Vecna, I WILL work with you, can you just show me that you're doing town things if you're town.

and please, do tell me, why is your role NEVER in the hands of scum?
explain it to me.
like im a fucking dumbo.

Ive allready gone into this twice guys.....But im slowly starting to get used to having to explain my thoughts several times so here we go once more for good measure.

Role design for scum in role madness'; normally focussed around giving them power to either mess with town investigatives, kill, or indeed appear as being a town pr. This has been said, and its largely true. HOWEVER, the way in which this last thing is usually done is not by giving scum a power that is completely useless to them......but by giving them something that is also usefull in either disrupting town, or narrowing down good targets for their NK. Giving scum rolecops/watchers/trackers and the like. Maybe some neighbourhood nonsense for good wifom. I dont recall it ever happening where they get a role with double negative utility for just scum that do benefit town, just so they can wifom. Im quite sure most of the mods here are going to agree with me that that would just be bad design.

The only way you'd give a role like mine to scum, in role madness, is to average out some other rediculously strong PR. This is still weak design though, since it makes for way too swingy setups if the strong powerfull pr is taken out.

All of this is just weak bla-bla-bla about mechanics though, but it does reinforce my point im trying to make.

Giving the scum a role that;
Doesnt allow town to talk to them in a pt they form (thus not even allowing them to wifom here, or gather information, which is bad bad design for scum in neighbourhoods)
Makes them charge up a night as the passive player
Gives town the ability to keep talking during night2.....

Does absolutely nothing for scum. Its double negative utility. It makes no sense to put a role like this on the scum team. At all. In a role madness game.

And yes, I feel fine to setup spec about this type of stuff on day1 since they Upick games get ran all the time - and they always are filled with a bunch of rediculously strong PR's. But ill dare you to find me an example where the mod balances it by giving scum a role with double negative utility, where the only upside is some weird wifom play.

Ill concede the point about flavours not being AI, because apparently theyre not. That still doesnt mean that it would make any sense for there to be any positive scum abilities besides the ones ive claimed that make sense within the flavour context.

At any rate, im done with this discussion. Its not interesting, and if you dont agree with me on these statements its just not interesting to go on bickering about it. My play is super-simple to read, and my abilities and play will soon confirm me as town easily. There might be some stubborn slowpokes that keep doubting me, and thats fine - I can live with that.

But I think we both know you wont be one of them gorkington.

[Vecna]

Most likely town:
Gorkington, Transcend

Probably town, but not quite as certain:
Eddiebyte, Frogger, Alisae

Null, lurking or too much shitposting
Dunnstral, McMenno, RandomMidget, Shiqf, Aelita, Bella

Potential scum:
Heartless, JJ, Firebringer

You interest me. Can you talk to me about your reads on Trans and Heartless?
Also, didn't you say you thought there was 1 scum in me/frog. If so, what changed?

Its still a possibility, hence why your not both in the top tier townreads.

Transcend, as Giga allready commented, is playing the exact same mix of "dont give a fuck town" while simultaneously making sense of what happens when he does post. I dont see any reason for him to be white-knighting as much as he is as scum, but maybe im biased since it concerns my slot.

Heartless, as I stated in my wall - is trying to stay below the radar. Theyre not commited to anything. Theyre not pushing anything. Theyre leaning back and are just throwing out surface statements.

"in Upick scum roles usually have some town utility as well" -> did he draw any further conclusions? Try to get TB lynched even harder? Go into details? Nah, he wants others to do that. He knows I would flip town, and he'd much rather there comes a witchhunt afterwards, so I think he's trying to stay at a distance while still attempting to fan the flames.

"the only reason I could see TB as town is because Transcend is White Knighting the slot". So if you think Transcend is scum, why not push it?

Plenty of these types of statements. I feel the slot is not actually scum-hunting at all, just trying to achieve mislynches by taking weak shots at people without willing to commit. I quoted a bunch of them in my last wall.

[Vecna]

@Dunn Well, as I said, I am not the best scumhunter, so I rely either on gut or sheep someone more experienced, and both of these now say that Vecna is scum

Which of these more experiences players are you sheeping then? Which person is stating that im scum, after ive replaced in? Because so far im quite sure youre the only one. And youre wrong, but so it goes.

[Vecna]

@Dunnstral I am riding on the back of a giant penguin. A really giant penguin. With a cape. And a sword. Sound familiar?

@Nebby Basically, if they have a good fakeclaim, scum can appear to have a strong town utility, but it doesn't make them any less scum.

Titus is gonna come around on that read, or Titus is gonna get lynched and flip scum.

Mark my words

[Vecna]

@Dunnstral I am riding on the back of a giant penguin. A really giant penguin. With a cape. And a sword. Sound familiar?

@Nebby Basically, if they have a good fakeclaim, scum can appear to have a strong town utility, but it doesn't make them any less scum.

Titus is gonna come around on that read, or Titus is gonna get lynched and flip scum.

Mark my words

Well i am waiting for you to scumhunt

Like my catch-up posts alone havent done 10x as much as you have this game?

Youre overestimating your influence here.

Everyone is waiting for -you- to scumhunt.

[Vecna]

Anyways, continuing with my catchup. back for more interaction later.

[Vecna]

Spoiler:

heart's prob town but cut down the douchebaggery a bit please

What makes you say this Trans? Im actually interested in this, since your gut seems to be on point here on quite some things. Why do you think heart is town here?

Titus who is scum

Jj fire bella tb

If wrong there dunn but unlikely

Im wondering why Heart is not on your radar Titus? And why youre wanting to link with them/Aelita so badly now. What made you make this decision? Im putting this question here specifically because I have this idea that youre not actually even trying to read me. Lets see if you'll catch this question and asnwer it because youre trying to pressure me into scum-hunting. The trap has been set. Are you really interested in game-solving here?

A chainsaw is when you vote someone for voting your teammate....
There's no such thing as chainsaw reading someone.

And I have had a scumread on you long before you voted TB.
So even if we use your definition of chia NSA we, your still wrong.

You're pushing me because TB is in trouble, nothing more nothing less.

Bella's vote is also an example of this.

Jj is hyper invested in defending tb.

Plus, i kinda sorta but not completely cc you so...

Kinda easy.

Really now? Youre forming all your reads based on your perception of my allignment? You havent even given any reasons why you think my slot is scum afaik, yet youre doing a Mathblade? wow.

Try forming opinions without thinking you know my allignment, because you do not.

Ah well, at least you finally started doing things here.

Why are you guys scumreading jj I feel like he's the only person making sense this game

Can scum not make sense? Also, why is this the one thing youre questioning after not posting forever? More activity from this slot is required. Please see to it.

Titus saying she knows my motivations seems so scummy to me and I can't get beyond that.
She literally has never been able to figure out my motivations in games because my motivations are fucking nonexistent.
I don't have any, I just do random shit.

She has had over 40+ games with me?

I can buy her scumread on me.
I just feel these reasons are fake as hell.

This titus - firebringer interaction makes it slightly unlikely to me theyre both scum here. Doesnt appear as SvS.

Titus explain the bella read plz

Look for their tb comments.

Wow, really? Im guessing whiteknighting my slot makes a lot of sense for scum, since my role maybe is not the most usefull mislynch to them....but if you keep arguing this crap that everyone that is defending me is scum because theyre my teammates youre gonna make me a sad panda.

Here I was thinking you were happy to have my join the game because you liked playing with me, while all this crap has gone done with the slot before. Kind of ew. Anyways, I like challenges, so redeeming this slot will be an interesting continued exercise.

shifq is prob scum

everyone will dismiss him as "too easy" though so it's ok

Sensible read, that might be accurate.

Where's randoMidgets posts in all this.

She's tunneling in a self-aware manner. That's her thought process. She picked up some reads partway in her trail of happiness and has stuck with them ever since. She has 5 scumreads despite there still being a number of people who haven't posted that much.

Alisae- you're not challenging her on it. It's gameplay that is not by itself alignment indicative, but the strategy itself is anti-town. Pro-town behaviour when you have reads like these is to case it. Keeping this kind of stuff in your head is not okay, because being able to accept counterargument is a core of this game. Doing this as town is poor play. Doing it as mafia is a solid way to mask yourself as a bad town and get ignored. Titus herself said this is not something that is her usual gameplay, so I don't get how your first point can hold traction.

Oh, and dismissing that as frustration is not going to work. It's a point. It's a description of what she is doing.


PEdit: Where did I look for permission to scumread you?

I dont know, my read on this slot is like pure tonal. Its just trying so hard to make posts that sound sensible (heck they even do -sound- sensible)....but its all feeling a bit too distant from whats actually happening in the game. That thing that Alisae was mentioning about posts that feel artificial, fabricated......this is once again one of those posts. And ive had that exact thing before.

All the content makes sense, in an abstract way. but it just doesnt connect one bit. And thats why I have a scumread on this slot. And these types of posts keep coming.

Well at least the happiness is contagious but I am going to stop because I am annoying my townreads.

I have been running a Slayer's gambit because I am loved. Everything I have said was true, just done in the most buddying make people happy way possible.

Alisae's townread, plus her accuracy, plus my slayer's result (only attacked after tb wagoned) makes TB highly likely scum. Jj basically looking for permission to SR me is terrible. Fire claiming something gets revealed in 179 is eww because mine does too. Bella's posting, while Frogger is right depending on tb scum, is bad. Then of course tb scum.

The thing about these types of gambits with the reverse psychology effect.....I do these all the time as scum as well. Act too scummy to be scum on day1, claim it was a gambit, hope for towncredit and hope it doesnt epically blow back in my face (which....sometimes it does). The annoying thing is its such an easy way for scum to hide, and not actually do anything that people can read into....

Yeah - better start doing your normal townplay now Titus

Unvote: Titus

You're tunneling and scum would not be this obvious about it.

And why wouldnt scum go a step further and want you to think this by design? Because thats probably how Titus would operate as scum.

hmmm.

I'd ask you why?

because i've been fairly straightforward.

Really now? What have you done to make yourself obvious town to the people taht do not know you? Because as far as I can tell...the answer to that question is....nothing.

I don't think we have enough from Random to have a good read on him, which is why I want to push him a bit. It's 359 and the Eddie vote that I'm most interested in.

You want to push random while you know he's not caught up and you dont have enough on him to read him, and he stated he wants to catch up first? How daring.

I just attempted to do a creature strike out list and I'm too goddamn paranoid by so many people that i online striked 4 people

I'd venture to say that my top 4 TRs are Alisae, JJ, Titus, and TB.

Youre paranoid but Titus is your top TR? Shouldnt she be your top suspicion-target since she's actually capable of fooling you quite easily?

It's airtight as shit, which makes me think he's walking lynchbait rather than a shit tier scum.

Airtight as shit? LMAO.

Ok here's the readslist
Town: Gorkington, jjh, Alisae, Aelita
Town Lean: Dunnstral, TB, Bellaphant
Null: EddieByte, Heartless, Randomidget
Scum: Titus, Firebringer, Mcmenno, Transcend, Fro99er

If anyone wants an explanation on anybody, feel free. Meanwhile, I'm going to sort EB, Heartless, and Rando

Wowa, how about you explain all of this? Because youre posting way too little to suddenly dump all of this, unexplained - mister.

If we can't decide on a lynch we can just lynch McMenno.

Yes please!

Where did shiqf go

is he writing out a huge wall

my wall senses are tingling

Really? Mine absolutely arent.

My senses - that indicate weak and insufficient reasoning incoming - sure are on high alert though!.

the one time i played with scum!dunn he just kind of lurked around and did nothing - you remember the hydra blitz right?

he's kind of similar here but this time i feel like he's going out of his way to bug me

usually town dunn has an obvious investment in trying to solve the game even if his methods strike me as unconventional

i'll read that game thoguh

Doesnt this usually happen later in the game though? Like in PYP he was like this day1 as well -I think- (but tbh i wasnt too invested in paying attention to him day1 since my assesment was that he was absolutely no threat - boy was a I wrong).

Wow, why did Titus just desperado Vecna? What the hell Titus, now we have a conftown lurksack.

Okay, let's lynch some obvscum now.

VOTE: Transcend

~TD

Wth, why you referring to that game now, minutes before i get to replace into this game? Kinda spooky.

Ok im caught up untill the point where I replaced in. I read some of the last 20 pages but not all of it. Thinking ill finally get some dinner now or w/e.

Pretty annoyed of looking at mafia-scum pages.

[Vecna]

i feel uninvested in this game now
damn

What, not a single response to my semi-wall answers a few pages ago?

What the hell man.

I mean, I allready knew Alisae was all kinds of happy to not having to lynch me, this response from you, seeing how you mightve had some actual decent concerns I guess - is kind of strange.

Like you suddenly totally forgot you had an issue earlier.

Is this you saying my answers where that satisfying?

Get back into this game and find me scum.

[Vecna]

Also, I posted a lot of walls people. Only like 3 people responded to anything.

You asshats better not be ignoring them, only to vote me later pretending you still have concerns.

Make up your mind, or engage me.

Im town here, or you bring forth the arguments so I can bury you right here and now.

Lets tango.

[Vecna]

btw vecna shiqf said he's on vla for the weekend so I'm expecting reasoning after

-caneyadigit

Did he ever post that wall?

Or any reasoning for those reads he put there? (around page 62 I think?)

[Vecna]

Anyways, its fucking 10:30 pm and I havent even had dinner yet since I was reading all your guys drivel and eating liquorice (eew).

Back later if I can be bothered.

[Vecna]

what do you want a response to vecna?

You were complaining I wasnt suspicious enough about you, and that I was thinking my claim should make me obv-town.

You seemed to disagree quite adamantly a few pages ago, I responded, and you let the issue die completely.

Just wondering what conclusions you drew from my responses

[Vecna]

Just wondering what conclusions you drew from my responses

that i disagree with your assessment about mechanics
but i can see someone believing it
and im not interested in fighting you on something like that.

other than that i felt bored reading your thoughts because theres too many.

protip for catching up if you are town:
summarizing your thoughts is better than "HOLY SHIT EVERYTHING BATMAN".

Getting people to townread me is more important than getting my message across at this point in time, since my reads arent really strong yet anyway at this point. Showing unfakable thought processes (hopefully) achieves that goal.

At any rate, youre probably right that them walls are not the very very best way of doing things, but it helps as a reminder for myself as well for later.

[Vecna]

Trust me, my stamina is pretty drained right now.

I think ill just sheep transcend today.

What can go wrong with that plan, right?

[Vecna]

Like, another plan.

How about we designate me as town leader.

And we just speedlynch 3 random people and skip forward to day4.

Ill appoint 3 people and a successor in case scum decide to kill me.

That should be a lot more productive of an approach. Skip straight to the juicy stuff.

[Vecna]

Well lah-di-dah

[Vecna]

Can we get to lynching now?

wanted to see the vc but i'm going to vote for whoever has more votes between vecna and dunn

Im not really sure Im buying into the reasons here for why theyre continuing to scumread me. My concerns I had with some of their posts are valid. Them making a large wall to appear towny is something id be expecting of a scum Giga just as well, trying hard to look like theyre being inquisitive/thoughtfull. The fact they announced -THREE TIMES- that they were writing this wall post only strenghthens that feeling that they were doing it just for towncred.

The fact im also liking some of their reads on Transcend has nothing to do with the other fact, and the fact that im going back and forth over an opinion (and having some doubts as well) while rereading 65+ pages should really not be surprising.

Answer me this giga, why would you be worried about opinions changing? Plenty of stuff happened. Your early game was EXTREMELY scummy fmpov, and plenty other people felt the same way. The way you went to write long posts about everyone voting you after 20 pages was another cause for concern imo.

[Vecna]

Because the utility in this role is being pretty much town-confirmed in a role madness setup Giga. The nightchat is a nice gimmick, but its not really earth-shattering. The good part of the role is that it could -never- be a scum power in role madness. Anyone with a grain of common sense that can setup spec should see this instantly. Scum need potent abilities to circumnavigate the minefield of town abilities, not -this- role that I have.

As the designer of

many

role madness games, all I have to say to this is: no.

Ok, point me to one of your games where you designed a scum-role such as mine.

Where 3 of the abilities/passives are dedicated to fit one theme, and their only purpose is to wifom town at the downside of having 2 negative utilities to your own team.

Lets see it then.

[Vecna]

Vecna want to talk about me being scum?

Sure, we can talk about it.

but i'd much prefer if you just show me that your not through actions. Shouldnt be that hard.

[Vecna]

Why weren't you voting the slot?

Anti

was

voting the slot. He moved to Transcend in the subsequent conversation.

How do you feel about Vecna's recent posts?

I'm not impressed so far.

more super-ficial posts, meant to steer conversation/lynches in a certain direction without getting overly involved. How about you stop with the one-liners and explain stuff? Actually do stuff? You havent done -anything- all game.

Scumread increases.

[Vecna]

Vecna want to talk about me being scum?

Sure, we can talk about it.

but i'd much prefer if you just show me that your not through actions. Shouldnt be that hard.

Okay why is my shit posting make you think I am scum?
And do you think all I've done is shit post?
If no to that what do you think of my content posts?

I might just be biased since im not used to you shit posting.

Ive liked some of your rare content posts, and some of your reads were quite alright. You even had some decent pushes.

Not quite there yet where im satisfied with it, and I think all of it up to this point could be easily faked.

Just like with Titus, im getting the feeling with you its all just a guise. But I dont think youre scum together, so im wrong on either of you.

Im not interested in lynching either of you today since im sure you'll be usefull later on if you prove me im wrong - so you have plenty of time left to sway my mind.

[Vecna]

Unfortunately for him, Vecna is not going to be able to mislynch us this game.
His interpretations of Anti's posting are incredibly tone deaf.

My read was not based on tone, but on content. The fact this is your best defence, combined with the fact that you think im not gonna get a lynch through.....

At least youre the cat in the tree, which is a scenario im fine with. Im a dog with a long long bark.

[Vecna]

Seriously though, I have mentioned how important I deem tone. You don't need meta for tone; you can compare to shit in the same game. The issue is that even if I could figure out reliably which one of you is speaking without you signing, I can't say whether what I would consider inordane is so because you have talked about a post between yourselves or because it's one of you doing a thing I should pick up on.

PEdit: Gork read happened early and stayed. On reflection it might go up for reconsideration at some point. It was tone based iirc.

Ok, since I like to use tone as well for reads from time to time, im going to be asking you some questions since youre still on my watch-list.

Can you, in some detail, describe to me how Gork's tone made you townread him early in the game. How does his current change in tone affect that read?

Also, how can you tone-read someone -without- meta? Can you explain that to me?

[Vecna]

I think I'd like to lynch one of: heartless, eddiebyte, Titus

Oh boy, I

do

want to go double active now.

Now this is true fillery-posturing.

Im calling you out on this. go double active then. Show us them teeth.

[Vecna]

Do I have anything else I need to respond to?

What'll it take to get you to vote scum? Like Vecna, Bella, or Dunn?

Ok this is starting to worry me now

[Vecna]

I'm too sure that Vecna is town to vote him. Talk me through Bella. I'm interested in this one.

And Dunn? Your thoughts there?

Why are you "interested" in Bella?

Titus talk me through the Dunn read there. I have a strange feeling about the slot as well, but ive only played 1 game with it.

To me so far it seems to be missing any "bite". Dunnstral in PYP was sharp as a knife. Maybe slightly less day1 (which im afriad might the case here as well) - but I can definately see why people are so onto this slot.

As for the topic of bella, She's the biggest blank of anyone in this game.

Random throw-out comment regarding RandoMidget - it wasnt good, i got some scumpings there, and I feel im usually quite quick and effective at town-marking him based on his reads. We usually mesh really well, im not sure thats happening here quite yet and its worrying me.

[Vecna]

Vecna's push on Firebringer because he's shitposting fucking reeks.

JJ is probably town.

I'm on page 80 and haven't read like... 40 to 60. Or something.

~Akarin

Why does it reek Menno? Tell me.

Do you want me to put you back into the special zone?

[Vecna]

Yeah man, I'm such a buddier as scum. I buddy all the buddies.

Dunnstral could be scum here but w/e.

~TD

you actually -do- do that.

Youre very happy-go-along as scum. Untill people start paying attention to you. Then the *woofs-woofs* start coming.

Change back to that dog avatar allready.....god.

[Vecna]

VOTE: Vecna

Really now, Frogger?

What gives, wheres your reasoning for this?

What happened to the opinionated frogger from civ? Im feeling cheated, you need to do stuff noteworthy so you can eat that NK again.

[Vecna]

Lynch dunnstral in next 8 pages or I will do something

((if it's replace out could we still lynch vecna))

Youre not gonna get me lynched, and the fact youre even trying to is worrying.

you should know better. A lot better.

[Vecna]

Role + play

Ever since vecna replaced TB he's been walling good stuff - I feel he's different to double deck too (that sounds generic but he really kind of does feel that way)

roleplay

er

can you be specific about that like

??? his reads are all over the place it feels like he's trying to disrupt forming townblocs (like fro99er/alisae as scum? i really dont buy it)

i wanna say his catchup walls were similar there too so but i dont actually remember

Wtf is this nonsense man? Breaking up a 2-person town-block? You really think me having some day1 hold-backs on the frogger slot is "breaking up townblocks"? This is just a fake-ass reasoning to try to get a likely lynch pushed through on a slot that is suspicious of you.

My reads arent all over the place, ive placed a nice coloured thing at the end of my catchup. Sure, its changing - thats what town do.

[Vecna]

ayyyyyyyoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


ENGAGE ME

Hi trans, later.

Im gone again for the day.

Bitches better not try to push my lynch through in my absence, allthough I guess the cowards gotta try something.

[Vecna]

THAT WAS MY DOG AVATAR

VECNA YOURE SCUMMY BUT YOUR PRED WAS KINDA TOWNY BUT I MIGHT CHANGE MY MIND

If I was actually scum, you'd be thinking I was town. You know this to be true. For you, id try-hard my scumgame again and improve on it. But lately I cant really seem to be caring enough when I roll scum.

Kisses and hugs, later.

[Vecna]

also

lol @ where vecna stopped reading + responding

I've read and responded to the entire game scum

[Vecna]

But okay, go on, and when Vecna flips scum, because naturally, I am the one blameable. But hey, it's not as if I tried to warn you all not to repeat my mistake. And fyi, those things aren't just directed at you, but at those who are willing to townclear Vecna solely because 'their role can't be a scumrole'

For someone that keeps harping on about my role....why am I scum?

Give me some details.

[Vecna]

You're basically auto town if Vecna flips scum. But if only one of you is town, it's likely he over ye.

Why is it only 1 though?

I do agree with Aelita somewhat that just because she attacks me she is the insta-lynch candidate.

She's wrong regarding my allignment, and I do hope theres some ways to break that tunnel, but wéll see about that.

Hi Aelita, we played before - you know im great at solving games when I have a good day and that im good at obv-towning and that the longer a game continues, the more unlynchable I become.

Is this why you secretly want me lynched? At any rate, im still not understanding your reasons for scumreading me, and id like you to explain them in a crystal clear manner to me.

[Vecna]

every time i go to vote aelita i have to stop myself because they're ust too amusing

obviously slot doesn't live to lylo tho

And why not? Because I question clearing someone based on a role due to being burned for doing the very same thing in one of the previous games? Because I learned from that mistake, unlike randomidget here? Yeah, such a reasonable thought process. I swear that everyone should follow this beacon of logic.

IM
NOT
FUCKING
TOWNREADING
THE
CLAIM

QFT

Well that's all I see. I am with Aelita here 100%. Vecna hasn't even attempted to sort anyone, so I don't know what flowers he gave.

Hi Titus, answer this one honestly.

HAVE YOU EVEN READ MY CATCHUP WALLS?

[Vecna]

Anyways im getting some dinner now, after that I want some live chats with titus to talk for a bit in this game.

Are you availlable in an hour Titus?

Im getting the very honest impression youre not trying to sort my slot at all here. Which is troubling me quite a lot.

You wanted your little gambit earlier, all fine. But now were going to have some honest talks about that, and why you keep insisting im not scumhunting. Its nice that you wanna pull me into some emersive thing by using language you used in another game where you caught me as scum, but its not what is happening here.

Youre not actually even reading my posts.

If you had, you'd have spotted that little trap-question that I posted there in VERY BIG LETTERS. Im sure a lot of people have seen it.

Were gonna talk. And were gonna sort this shit out.

[Vecna]

also

lol @ where vecna stopped reading + responding

I've read and responded to the entire game scum

taps shoulder

u have an outstanding ? from dunn...

And what question is that? I did indeed miss this.

And why are you only policing outstanding questions against me?

Why are you not policing oustanding questions that I have against about 12 people? Did you notice my questions aimed at titus for example, that get ignored, while she is at the same time stating im not hunting. Do you feel im not hunting as well?

And why are you policing dunn's question of all people?

[Vecna]

idrk if vecna is scum anymore but his death would be positive town utility regardless

Also this post....how would my death be positive town utility? If youre assuming that im town?

Is it because you dont like night-chat? Or because you want to hunt in the people that put me in the ground?

What conclusions are you going to get from me flipping town here?

Engage me here, and answer this one properly.

[Vecna]

Anyways, dinnertime

Back in an hour or so.

[Vecna]

The reason I want you lynched is simple: my brain is telling me you are scum, because when I see your posts, I cannot help but think of someone who tricked me into believing they're town but were scum, and I refuse to let that happen again. Therefore, I promised myself that I will always scumread someone if there's even a miniscule amount of evidence against them to avoid being tricked again like that.

Basically, it's better to be paranoid and wrong than to be too trusting and feel like an idiot afterwards.

Well at least thats honest. Guess ill just completely ignore you as well then since that doesnt seem to be anything I can actually influence or interact with.

Its not all how mafia is played though.

Why are you afraid of me tricking you?

Why arent you afraid of Titus doing it?

Or Firebringer?

Hell, why arent you more afraid of McMenno tricking you into thinking he's town?

Why would me tricking you feel like more of an idiot than any of the other players in this game?

[Vecna]

What conclusions are you going to get from me flipping town here?

none

removing someone pushing unflinchingly bad reads while not paying attention to what's going on and reevaluating... is positive town utility

And you would know my reads are unflinchingly bad....why exactly?

You havent exactly done much this game, or would you argue against that point?

What part of my points ive made against you do you feel are wrong?

Why would you not adress these issues, instead of using them as an excuse to be fine with a townlynch? Like, improve your own play? Because usefull yourself.

Because right now, theres a lot more town-utility in lynching you if youre gonna keep up this playstyle, even if youre town (but be assured if you make it clear to me that you are, I wont be the one lynching you at least for some weak-ass reasoning).

[Vecna]

seems like a harsh judgment to make of someone who has just caught up.
if you think vecna is scum, then whatevs, but if he is town hes not someone i would want to casually lynch without at least thinking about it.

lol

gork if this were YOU he was mindlessly tunneling i think you'd be singing a different tune

and if vecna can dish out the antagonism i think he's a big boy enough to get some of it back

Mindlessly tunneling?

How about you adress my reasons for scumreading you, isntead of shading my shit?

This type of crap is not helping your case at all if youre town and is only gonna make me deep down harder.

[Vecna]

No, he is scum because someone else hoodwinked me and I refuse to let it happen again

@Gork Yes, they are. So many are townreading her without a shred of doubt. I classify that as blind trust. -_-

Except theres probably (gamesize / 4) players doing it to you right now, and youre playing right into them.

[Vecna]

I asked how good his scum game is. nobody answered me.

Why do you of all people need this answered? Or is this Eddie? If so, you can ask Giga about it in your hood and they can give u a decent rundown.

My scumgame is decent, when I try.

Titus always catches me as scum.

Titus is thinking theyve done it again, but are wrong this game. But thatll become evident to her in due time if she is in fact town.

[Vecna]

I asked how good his scum game is. nobody answered me.

vecna? he hard pocketed me last time so i'll be honest i have no clue how to read him

never have seen him as town

I think RandoMidget and Alisae are normally very good at detecting my town-game (allthough for Alisae it sometimes takes a while).

Not completely sure both are town here yet - Random is having a slightly different tone to what im used to, Ali seems to be approaching lock-town rather rapidly - but I think you should be able to trust their judgement.

If Titus gives me an honest chance to do my thing, you can trust her judgement as well. I need her to answer why she's not reading my catchup posts though.

[Vecna]

Can we get to lynching now?

wanted to see the vc but i'm going to vote for whoever has more votes between vecna and dunn

Im not really sure Im buying into the reasons here for why theyre continuing to scumread me. My concerns I had with some of their posts are valid. Them making a large wall to appear towny is something id be expecting of a scum Giga just as well, trying hard to look like theyre being inquisitive/thoughtfull. The fact they announced -THREE TIMES- that they were writing this wall post only strenghthens that feeling that they were doing it just for towncred.

The fact im also liking some of their reads on Transcend has nothing to do with the other fact, and the fact that im going back and forth over an opinion (and having some doubts as well) while rereading 65+ pages should really not be surprising.

Answer me this giga, why would you be worried about opinions changing? Plenty of stuff happened. Your early game was EXTREMELY scummy fmpov, and plenty other people felt the same way. The way you went to write long posts about everyone voting you after 20 pages was another cause for concern imo.

??? your first paragraph makes 0 sense. i had a really long day and eddie was trying to hype me up like that, that's basically the entire motive. but even then how is it even a scummy thing to try to be townread? like?? i'm not making the connection to scum motive here. it just looks like you're planning a future push on us

fair enough on the second part i guess but the first paragraph is still a HUGE concern??

I'm not worried about your opinions changing, it's just I don't really like the thought process I'm seeing. Obviously my early game was scummy,

that was the whole point and I even addressed that in my wall

. Like that's exactly why I analyzed the votes on me, because I was making a shallow push to see how people jumped on it. Most the votes were from town. Tell me where the scum motive is here please?

And I would have at least liked some engagement on my earlier questions. Why does Aelita look coached, for example?

~giggles

I wrote that, because I know who the main is (im responding to the Aelita thing here).

Ive never seen the slot actually type, and im aware that a lot of people think that a talking Aelita is by definition a town Aelita. This is the meta that I know goes around, so when she started talking up a storm, it felt initially like scum coaching telling her to talk a lot, and how to go about it.

Im not so sure anymore.

Anyways Giga, lets just go about and do our own thing for now. I think we both recognize well enough that our read on eachother is gonna get refined enough over the next few days, and I dont want to lynch you anytime soon regardless - unless I find something rocksolid. I think you should afford me the same courtesy.

Lynching me here is a mistake, unless you have rocksolid reasoning as to why im scum. Noone has that, and noone can possibly have it, because im town - and ive never been lynched as town before in a Theme game, and I dont intent to start here. And plenty of people can vouch for my usefullness in these things.

Now - id honestly like to be able to stop defending myself, because its costing me too much time and effort. Lay off your questions off of me please, and focus on finding actual scum - unless you have valid questions thatll actually help you form your read on me.

[Vecna]

Wtf is this nonsense man? Breaking up a 2-person town-block? You really think me having some day1 hold-backs on the frogger slot is "breaking up townblocks"? This is just a fake-ass reasoning to try to get a likely lynch pushed through on a slot that is suspicious of you.

My reads arent all over the place, ive placed a nice coloured thing at the end of my catchup. Sure, its changing - thats what town do.

I meant in general and just gave an example.

Your attack on fire sucks because I'm pretty sure this is his towngame and you're attacking him for something as vapid as shitposting. Give me something more solid on him.

Your scumread on Alisae/Fro99er is equally vague and I'm struggling to really see how you came to that conclusion even from what I remember of your catchup posts.

You still haven't told me why Aelita sounds coached, either.

And your townread on us looks like the kind of read you'd have on someone you might push later.

Like it seems you're just attacking well-townread people when I'm reading the gamestate as having mostly town cohesion.

Giga, I think youre putting too much emphasis on stuff that was a momentary comment, and an opinion that has likely changed since. Im still going to try and answer these for transparencies sake to make you feel better about my slot since im all about that and all.

Why does my attack on fire suck? He was shitposting a ton without actual content. Shitposting is NAI, and just because you think he's town doesnt make it true. Well maybe it does, but im the kind of egotistical guy that likes to draw his own conclusions, and the way Fire was posting -I- could not read him. Since my attack he has started shitposting a lot less, so I call it a win. I think youre probably right, and that he's maybe town - but im still gonna be keeping an eye on him.

I think Frogger is being a bit too artificial still. I havent seen anything that I know he's capable off yet. Alisae is telling me im wrong, maybe I am - but I know frog is capable of delivering play that I can easily townread. He hasnt done so yet. If he wants my townread, he's going to have to earn it. Im not going to state here what im looking for, I cba potentially coaching scum.

As for the read on you - it looks like that because its true. I dont have a strong read on you yet, so Im gonna work on forming that and if I think youre scum youre goddamn right I will come back to push you. My reads are still heavily fluctuating as you noticed yourself, and I read people by attacking them and pressuring them. Thats my style as town, so prepare for more of it.

And just because im attacking well town-read people doesnt mean im breaking up any townblock. There is no such thing yet from what I can see. The only thing of note that has happened this game is a poor push on TB, and a push on Dunn. Im not sure Im very happy about this Dunn push yet, and I think he's someone ill be able to read quite well later on. I dont think ill be voting there today unless its to save my own hide (but im counting on this not being nessacery).

[Vecna]

oh and heartless too

This one I feel ive already explained quite a bit.

[Vecna]

gbt at one point you got to realise... you don't scumread me you just scumread my playstyle. fact.

compelling case here

it's ok you're like the last of my scumreads i'd lynch at the moment so you can hang around a little longer

We can lynch McMenno if you want.

His playstyle will never allow anyone to succesfully read him, as either allignment. He's not too usefull as town and dangeerous because he's always a lategame mislynch, but equally dangerous as scum because youre only gonna catch him with a cop ability.

Im all for lynching him, even though its a lame duck move.

[Vecna]

I'm gonna like

skim vecna's iso from pyp

probably maybe

~narna

Okay, I haven't changed my mind on the scumread.

Okay doggo, what comparisons have you found.

Make it understandable and not too surface level please.

[Vecna]

God dammit giga.

alisae this is getting out of hand

~giggles

The reason I want you lynched is simple: my brain is telling me you are scum, because when I see your posts, I cannot help but think of someone who tricked me into believing they're town but were scum, and I refuse to let that happen again. Therefore, I promised myself that I will always scumread someone if there's even a miniscule amount of evidence against them to avoid being tricked again like that.

Basically, it's better to be paranoid and wrong than to be too trusting and feel like an idiot afterwards.

Well at least thats honest. Guess ill just completely ignore you as well then since that doesnt seem to be anything I can actually influence or interact with.

Its not all how mafia is played though.

Why are you afraid of me tricking you?

Why arent you afraid of Titus doing it?

Or Firebringer?

Hell, why arent you more afraid of McMenno tricking you into thinking he's town?

Why would me tricking you feel like more of an idiot than any of the other players in this game?

vecna not to be a bitch but i think the answer here is kind of transparent if you were actually trying to read into aelita

i'll let her speak for herself but still come on

It is transparent? Do TB and Aelita have some thing? Or what am I missing here?

I really dont understand why me of all people, she is afraid of getting tricked by. We hardly have any history at all.

You can use her reasoning to scumread and vote anyone, but youre ok with it?

Do please explain it to me if she doesnt, because im at a loss.

[Vecna]

and your reads are pretty bad from where im standing too vecna.

So who is scum then Gorkington?

Name your 4-5, and we play a little game to check afterwards who is closer, ok?

[Vecna]

The reason I want you lynched is simple: my brain is telling me you are scum, because when I see your posts, I cannot help but think of someone who tricked me into believing they're town but were scum, and I refuse to let that happen again. Therefore, I promised myself that I will always scumread someone if there's even a miniscule amount of evidence against them to avoid being tricked again like that.

Basically, it's better to be paranoid and wrong than to be too trusting and feel like an idiot afterwards.

Well at least thats honest. Guess ill just completely ignore you as well then since that doesnt seem to be anything I can actually influence or interact with.

Its not all how mafia is played though.

Why are you afraid of me tricking you?

Why arent you afraid of Titus doing it?

Or Firebringer?

Hell, why arent you more afraid of McMenno tricking you into thinking he's town?

Why would me tricking you feel like more of an idiot than any of the other players in this game?

Right now, you are the biggest one I have at the moment.

this does not answer the question at all.

[Vecna]

my purpose for asking was because you can get town cred by having a bad scum game (lots of people like your predecessor cannot put out your sheer amount of content as scum)

you don't get scum cred by having a good scum game though, unlike certain people I isn't believe in policy scum reading someone just because they're a competent player

so it is basically null, overall giga scumreads you more than I do but you're still below the null line for me. dunn is the lynch we want rn. expect a full reads post soon.

The truth is, a lot of people here are still scumreading me and are easily suspicious of me because ive had one good scumgame in PYP.

Im having to deal with that continuously, even though ive had some really shitty scumgames afterwards as well.

Anyways, im used to a lot of day1 pressure. It will subside, and ill be widely townread come day3 or so. Im thinking that might be a reason theres also a bunch of scum pushing me here. Im not yet sure who they are. theres probably also some White knighting me obviously, so some of the cases based on that might be worth looking into. Anyways, ive started to become mr state the obvious again.

[Vecna]

if it were up to me you'd been lynched

~narna

Youre still just bitter because I owned your ass in code geass

[Vecna]

No, he is scum because someone else hoodwinked me and I refuse to let it happen again

@Gork Yes, they are. So many are townreading her without a shred of doubt. I classify that as blind trust. -_-

Except theres probably (gamesize / 4) players doing it to you right now, and youre playing right into them.

I will deal with them in due time. Right now, my focus is on you. Nice attempt to shift the blame.

That wasnt trying to shift the blame, that was letting you know youre tunneling down on town.

[Vecna]

vote: vecna

do i have your attention now?

Oh god, another one craving attention? What is it gork?

[Vecna]

What conclusions are you going to get from me flipping town here?

none

removing someone pushing unflinchingly bad reads while not paying attention to what's going on and reevaluating... is positive town utility

And you would know my reads are unflinchingly bad....why exactly?

You havent exactly done much this game, or would you argue against that point?

What part of my points ive made against you do you feel are wrong?

Why would you not adress these issues, instead of using them as an excuse to be fine with a townlynch? Like, improve your own play? Because usefull yourself.

Because right now, theres a lot more town-utility in lynching you if youre gonna keep up this playstyle, even if youre town (but be assured if you make it clear to me that you are, I wont be the one lynching you at least for some weak-ass reasoning).

ok

plz avoid me in future games

you could also just answer my questions.

You have indicated you know im town plenty of times, allthough none to clear - but everyone reading your posts can see it.

So what is your issue exactly? That I have a scumread on you?

You have been just standing at the sidelines. You havent pushed shit. You havent had any single original thought or read. You've just been staying under the radar, taking potshots.

The fact Titus is not all over your case for this is fascinating.

[Vecna]

Okay doggo, what comparisons have you found.

Make it understandable and not too surface level please.

You are scum because TB was scum and you haven't done anything that you couldn't do as scum.

Do I get a dog cookie now?

~TD

I think ive allready posted more honest thoughts that go against the grain then in entire PYP combined, so no.

Saying I -could- do it as scum is just a compliment of my scumgame, without actually telling me whether you think its what im doing now.

Bad doggy, bad. Master is disappointed. Go bring me my slippers.

[Vecna]

I have told you, I will deal with others later. For now, you are my focus.

And what a brave focus it is.

[Vecna]

Name your 4-5, and we play a little game to check afterwards who is closer, ok?

why do you want to play a game to check who is closer afterwards
rather than trying to condense reads to find scum?
sorry.
i dont buy it.
not for a fucking second.
you arent this cutesy as town.
you would be trying to solve the game with me here.
not placating me with platitudes like this.

Have you seen the pages upon pages of attacks against me Gorkington? Did you notice that there were about 30 questions aimed at me in the last 8 pages? Are you really pretending I can ignore all that?

Are you really pretending im not trying to gamesolve? Have you missed my posts attacking certain people? Do you think im doing that just because I have a personal grudge?

It really sounds to me youre just trying to hop onto the bandwagon because its the easy thing to do here.

Ill give you one insight; The scumteam containts a lot of the big names, they view themselves as high end players and bigshots. The fact theyre taking me on on day1 means they know they can likely get away with it and talk their way through it after my flip.

These same players know my value and that im hard to lynch, and thats why theres this big push on me right now.

If you want to gamesolve with me, fine - then give me time to get out from under this pressure - dont pile more on it. Because thats dishonest horse-shit.

[Vecna]

if it were up to me you'd been lynched

~narna

Youre still just bitter because I owned your ass in code geass

Okay, but how does that apply to him and not me? I was there too.....

Im not sure if the way you met your end qualifies as much as getting owned as what we did to Menno though.

[Vecna]

im back on the "you-need-to-die-if-you-dont-start-being-town-literally-right-now"-train.

if you think you have until d3 to get there, youre sorely mistaken.

Whatever Gork, im giving it everything ive got.

If youre gonna sit there and pretend theres other people doing more, than you can just go shove a pineapple up your rectum.

[Vecna]

post was meant to refer to heartless being town re: vecna's post above yours.
need to start quoting if i get ninja-ed zzzzz

What has heart done that is so towny. Tell me.

For some reason noone is picking up on this here, but they literally havent done shit.

Can you seriously sit there and not qualify their game as "sitting at the side-lines, not doing shit but throwing out the occasional random comment, and sometimes trying to influence shit in a certain direction without actually commiting to it?"

They havent formed a single original thought. They havent pushed shit. Yes im scumreading them. If you dont, fine -but provide me reasons as to why im wrong. Dont just state random shit that my reads are bad, or that you disagree.

Enter into a dialogue, because youre doing the exact same thing. The way you just came to voting me was extreme weaksauce.

[Vecna]

You have been just standing at the sidelines. You havent pushed shit. You havent had any single original thought or read. You've just been staying under the radar, taking potshots.

that is so grossly untrue and the fact you're saying this is the reason i'm declining to talk to you bc that's the sure mark you can't be reasoned with

Ok bro, im just imagining it. Gotcha.

[Vecna]

its not about you not doing anything.
its that the things youre doing are you being scum.

theres no fucking way townYou just tried to imply im bandwagoning you as scum here.

I didnt. I implied its you not giving a shit and going to way of least resistance. I still think youre a lazy town bastard, but youre going the easy mislynch route here and you fucking know it.

Theres no way youre not recognizing at least a bunch of shit here from civ, and if you think its not the case you can go read the earlier days when i was under pressure as well.

[Vecna]

Case in point

[Vecna]

And yes, it is what I think of you Frog. Instead of doing something that I can read youre just gonna try to get rid of me. Ok, wonderfull.

Are you going to deny you actually had very elaborate trains of thoughts in civ? Cases with like 6 bullitpoints?

Because you saying that im the scum mislynch, only to complete 180 after I saw that you havent given me nearly as much shit to townread as you did in civ is just an objective observation and that being conclusive evidence that im scum is total nonsense.

[Vecna]

You clearly didn't read my reaction to your slot, did you?

I did. Its all based on TB. I was the scum mislynch.

At any rate, if youre going to do me like this ill leave behind some voting instructions for tomorrow. Youre a lot better than this.

[Vecna]

And yes, it is what I think of you Frog. Instead of doing something that I can read youre just gonna try to get rid of me. Ok, wonderfull.

You cannot with a straight face say i haven't done anything this game.

Thats not what I said. I said it has not been as thorough and easy to read for me as it was in civ. Which is true.

Im not saying youre scum. Im saying its possible, and that youre not lock-town yet. Im keeping my suspicions, and if you cannot handle that - go ahead and mislynch.

[Vecna]

Because you saying that im the scum mislynch, only to complete 180

OH GOD FROG DID A 180 HE MUST BE SCUM EVEN THOUGH THATS THE EPITOME OF HIS TOWNGAME

BTW only scum have ever called me out on 180s

First time for everything, eh.

[Vecna]

You clearly didn't read my reaction to your slot, did you?

I did. Its all based on TB. I was the scum mislynch.

At any rate, if youre going to do me like this ill leave behind some voting instructions for tomorrow. Youre a lot better than this.

look. Now he says "I'm a lot better than this" after I told him that first.

My god the scum is strong with this one.

Not a genuine progression mr frog.

[Vecna]

Seriously?

[Vecna]

Are you going to deny you actually had very elaborate trains of thoughts in civ? Cases with like 6 bullitpoints?

Are you going to say I haven't had elaborate trains of thought here?

6 bullet point cases doesn't define my towngame.

Are you even trying to read what im saying? Because it really doesnt appear like me.

Im done arguing with you. shoo

[Vecna]

My long lost love, allow me to support you in your quest!
VOTE: Vecna

What happened to your reads ali? You forgot about civ, or you suddenly also think im scum?

[Vecna]

Not a genuine progression mr frog.

LMFAO you play one game with me and you think you know me?

You are a joke.

Have you ever seen me play scum?

The fact youre so agitated for someone saying they havent gotten a town-lock read on you is just weird man.

Ive stated you were super easy to read for me in civ. Its not the case here. The fact youre changing it into something else to lynch is weaksauce, and in this context youre the joke. Or scum.

[Vecna]

Vecna go read my ISO in this game starting here and then come back and tell me that me getting pissed for bullshit scumreads is weird for me: viewtopic.php?p=9090106#p9090106

Im not doing shit anymore in this game.

just lynch me, im tired of you asshats.

[Vecna]

I wrote that, because I know who the main is (im responding to the Aelita thing here).

Ive never seen the slot actually type, and im aware that a lot of people think that a talking Aelita is by definition a town Aelita. This is the meta that I know goes around, so when she started talking up a storm, it felt initially like scum coaching telling her to talk a lot, and how to go about it.

Im not so sure anymore.

Anyways Giga, lets just go about and do our own thing for now. I think we both recognize well enough that our read on eachother is gonna get refined enough over the next few days, and I dont want to lynch you anytime soon regardless - unless I find something rocksolid. I think you should afford me the same courtesy.

Lynching me here is a mistake, unless you have rocksolid reasoning as to why im scum. Noone has that, and noone can possibly have it, because im town - and ive never been lynched as town before in a Theme game, and I dont intent to start here. And plenty of people can vouch for my usefullness in these things.

Now - id honestly like to be able to stop defending myself, because its costing me too much time and effort. Lay off your questions off of me please, and focus on finding actual scum - unless you have valid questions thatll actually help you form your read on me.

you're setting really weird and illogical expectations for how well i should be able to read you so no

i'm fine giving you space at least while i read the next few pages but honestly i don't see how my questions were bad for sorting you

like........... if aelita were actually coached scum her points would be stronger imo. what made you reconsider the coached scum point?

~giggles

also i still have no idea if trans actually sent in his bond request so i dont want anyone - dunn or vecna - hammered just yet until i at least iron that out and get trans's opinion wrt vecna

pedit:

it makes a lot more sense w vecna being town, as does his general gameplay

besides being each others cws i don't really know if i agree here? like i've seen dunn give similar vapid defenses before at least as town so if he wanted to defend a scumbuddy it wouldn't surprise me if he skirted around it like he is here

pedit:

Vecna go read my ISO in this game starting here and then come back and tell me that me getting pissed for bullshit scumreads is weird for me: viewtopic.php?p=9090106#p9090106

Im not doing shit anymore in this game.

just lynch me, im tired of you asshats.

Im not saying that your questions are bad, im saying ive gotten absolutely pummeled with questions and attacks, and a lot of weakass votes have sailed in under the radar, and im done answering shit for now.

Titus vote on me is absolutely shit, and he hasnt engaged me since the replace in at all and has ignored everything ive done - Lynch this asap please.
Frog's vote on me is absolutely shit and based on him not understanding basic english - would not be surprised if this is scum either.
Alisae's vote on me is the worst by far
McMenno's vote on me is absolutely shit - Lynch this soon as well.
Gorkingtons vote on me is absolutely shit.
Aelita's vote on me is because she's afraid im tricking her.

This wagon is a joke.

[Vecna]

If i survive you can ask me shit later. Ive typed up more than most of these people will do in the next 10 games combined.

If it still doesnt make you see that im town, nothing will, and I cba to try. Goodbye.

[Vecna]

Im drained.

[Vecna]

Shut up dog :p

[Vecna]

VOTE: Titus

[Vecna]

nah it's not elemental trinity. There were no Russian Roulette stuff in Code:Geass.

Ok...I'll look tomorrow morning.

Can you answer why Dunn? Feels dirty and rushed through when you have solid TB tells, I have good feel on Vecna scum, and three obvtown on Vecna.

Explain this crystal clear on me. If you dont, ill be bandwagoning and torturing you the rest of my game-time im alive.

Youve provenly ignored all my catch-up walls. You havent responded to ANY of my reachouts to you.

This is not how Titus engages with me when she's been town in all other games.

[Vecna]

Besides, why is it just a "feel" all of a sudden?

Normally its very black and white to you, either im obv-scum or obv-town with (proper) reasoning behind it. Right here I dont even know why you think im scum besides me apparently "not scumhunting".

I dont want to lynch you. I dont want to get lynched here myself. Stop this nonsense, and try to work with me.

If you continue showing no interest in that, ill be assuming this is finally that time where its your turn to roll scum.

[Vecna]

Anyways I havent caught up from the night yet, still have a bunch of pages i need to read, but ill get to that later. Gonna do some work.

[Vecna]

Town: Nebby, Titus, Fro99er, Eddie
Scum: Vecna, Transcend, jj
Null: Everyone not mention above

Well, it's a small one, but it's there.

Navy signing out.

You'd probably be closer if you reversed this

[Vecna]

Aelita, how about we talk for a bit instead?

Are you gonna grant me that request, or are you gonna hold on to being afraid im going to fool you instead?

[Vecna]

UNVOTE:

I kinda think Vecna just expects Civ frogger because that's all he knows of me.

This was exactly my point fyi - youre slightly different here, and I read a lot by meta. Doesnt make you scum, but sure makes you harder to read for me (which is a shame).

I'll lynch anything that's in
{Vecna, Dunn, shqif, McMenno}

UNVOTE:

Im still waiting for you to explain what suddenly happened on you thinking I was town.

Vecna is still town

But night chat is useless and this slot is too controversial

VOTE: Vecna

Seriously? Night chat might be useless, I might be controversial - but im damn sure a lot more usefull than any other lynch were gonna get to today.

But night chat is useless and this slot is too controversial

VOTE: Vecna

Okay......This is bullshit.

I feel his flip would be helpful independent of alignment

Describe how his flip would be helpful to you?

Did i hammer

VOTE: Dunn

Since all the cool kids are doing it

Did i hammer

I don't even know the VC

This guy I swear.
He's most likely scum.

But its ok if you do it right?

is that dependant on vecna or dunns alignment? like, if both are town, or both are scun, or one or the other

I might not be able to read Dunn very well -yet- but the way this day is going down my bet is on both of us being town. Im gonna be the stubborn one here and not vote his ass unless its to save my own. Scum is in the big talkers for the most part, of that im rather certain. But hey, im sure its because were partners and im trying to save him! And not at all because a ton of people are just flip-flopping around like its noone's business and hiding behind not giving a shit.

Dunn any last reads?

lynch Titus, Heartless, and eddiebyte

Maybe transcend

Sup dunnstral, why u copying some of my reads?

Lmao Dunn is so obvscum

Aelita almost conftown now

Explain this to me. Why is dunn comfirmed scum. Make me see your reasoning. Because all im seeing it people just hopping onto giga's argument. I can see aelita being either obv-town here or very very intensely coached (which happens pretty much never, so probably town).

Aelita was basicly doing the samething imo.

Here or there?

Because here Aelita has actually made cases.

If you wanna call "I dont wanna be fooled" as a case....i guess.

I'M ONLY AN INNOCENT LITTLE ALISAE I DIDN'T MEAN NO HARM ;~;

Ugh ive been on your case in civ for a long-ass time.....and im going to get on your case again this game. Why you keep doing this to me alisae. Youre giving me fucking scumpings through the roof again. First you invest heavily into a TB case. Then you say im town. Then you leap after frogger and vote me. Then you pile onto Dunn. Then you start going into troll-mode extreme again. What gives? Wheres your actual bite and scumhunting in this game? Because right now you cannot hide behind apathy.

DO STUFF. That allows me to read you. And stop with this cutesy bullshit.

I'M ONLY AN INNOCENT LITTLE ALISAE I DIDN'T MEAN NO HARM ;~;

So yes, more posts like this Ali. More posts like this. Because this is at least something I can relate to because Dunn is hard to read for me as well. Im not sure what Giga is seeing atm. Dunn was the exact same as this in PYP d1 from what I can tell. It takes him a while to sort his reads. Id be surprised if the slot flips scum here though, ill tell you that.

[Vecna]

I think giga could moreso help you there Gork?

hi howdy

dunn usually has some sort of visible thought process when he's town

Code: Select all

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=70532&user_select[]=27717

^ this is a town!dunn iso (in code because it's easy to copy and paste and iso links sometimes break for some reason?

i played with scumdunn before as i said before but like A: i was barely paying attention because it was a blitz that started when i was busy irl and B: dunn constantly says i misrep his scum meta here so idk

i've watched some of his scum games and the play in most of them is nothing like his town game

like even his post count is significantly less as scum and here he just looks like he's flinging shit everywhere

~giggles

You dont have this opinion of Dunn that his play is a progression? Day1 in PYP I observed him as not a threat at all since he was a dog without teeth (like Menno) - Near the end while he was being deathtunneled he was the only one with correct reads in the entire game.

If only for that I wanna keep him around. I have a feeling im being setup here, and if either of us flips town, its the scum incentive to dig into the other tomorrow. This is my prediction, and the signs should be obvious to you to anyone flipping around between me and Dunn.

[Vecna]

btw

why is there a titus wagon i just noticed dunn isnt the only person who voted her

Because Titus needs to interact with me in a meaningfull manner. Thats why my vote is there. Untill they do, itll remain.

[Vecna]

is this going to set a longest day record?

Good luck beating civ on this - allthough with this playerlist its a possibility I guess.

749 pages Giga, you have your work set out for you.

[Vecna]

frog im bored ;~;
zzz

Help
Me get ppl to lynch Dunn.

I'm bored too



Dunn scumflip townfirms me, you, Aelita, Gork, Bella, Eddie, Vecna, and scumfirms Transced

Talk about an info lynch

What......what is this I dont even.

Im actually resisting this Dunnstral wagon.

How does him flipping scum clear me. How does it clear Bella, who has had like no opinion on this at all? Your reaction that it scumfirms transcend as well.

Eeeew.

This post is eeeeeeew.

Bad frog, bad. Explain this saturn-logic, pretty please.

[Vecna]

Titus is scum FWIW

Dunn is busting her and she is happy to vote Vecna who is the counterwagon to both scum Titus and scum Dunn

We should consolidate on Dunn Mr. Idget and Mr. Vecna

I think ill stay far far away.

[Vecna]

{Frog, Aelita, giga, Random}
{jj, Fire, Heartless, Gork, Bella}
{Vecna}
{Shiqf, McMenno} - Obvious null line
{Dunn, Trans, Titus}

Talk to me about the random read.

His tone is not the town-tone im used to.

He talks in more words when he talks. He's too wordy.

I normally can townread Random really easy - not the case here.

I think Random is the one scum on a scumteam that is very out there in the open and participating a lot. I want Titus to participate in a meaningfull manner to deduce if she is part of it.

I think Dunn is being pushed as the first mislynch, and people are gonna flock back to me tomorrow.

[Vecna]

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

I kinda think Vecna just expects Civ frogger because that's all he knows of me.

This was exactly my point fyi - youre slightly different here, and I read a lot by meta. Doesnt make you scum, but sure makes you harder to read for me (which is a shame).

I'll lynch anything that's in
{Vecna, Dunn, shqif, McMenno}

UNVOTE:

Im still waiting for you to explain what suddenly happened on you thinking I was town.

Vecna is still town

But night chat is useless and this slot is too controversial

VOTE: Vecna

Seriously? Night chat might be useless, I might be controversial - but im damn sure a lot more usefull than any other lynch were gonna get to today.

But night chat is useless and this slot is too controversial

VOTE: Vecna

Okay......This is bullshit.

I feel his flip would be helpful independent of alignment

Describe how his flip would be helpful to you?

Did i hammer

VOTE: Dunn

Since all the cool kids are doing it

Did i hammer

I don't even know the VC

This guy I swear.
He's most likely scum.

But its ok if you do it right?

is that dependant on vecna or dunns alignment? like, if both are town, or both are scun, or one or the other

I might not be able to read Dunn very well -yet- but the way this day is going down my bet is on both of us being town. Im gonna be the stubborn one here and not vote his ass unless its to save my own. Scum is in the big talkers for the most part, of that im rather certain. But hey, im sure its because were partners and im trying to save him! And not at all because a ton of people are just flip-flopping around like its noone's business and hiding behind not giving a shit.

Dunn any last reads?

lynch Titus, Heartless, and eddiebyte

Maybe transcend

Sup dunnstral, why u copying some of my reads?

Lmao Dunn is so obvscum

Aelita almost conftown now

Explain this to me. Why is dunn comfirmed scum. Make me see your reasoning. Because all im seeing it people just hopping onto giga's argument. I can see aelita being either obv-town here or very very intensely coached (which happens pretty much never, so probably town).

Aelita was basicly doing the samething imo.

Here or there?

Because here Aelita has actually made cases.

If you wanna call "I dont wanna be fooled" as a case....i guess.

I'M ONLY AN INNOCENT LITTLE ALISAE I DIDN'T MEAN NO HARM ;~;

Ugh ive been on your case in civ for a long-ass time.....and im going to get on your case again this game. Why you keep doing this to me alisae. Youre giving me fucking scumpings through the roof again. First you invest heavily into a TB case. Then you say im town. Then you leap after frogger and vote me. Then you pile onto Dunn. Then you start going into troll-mode extreme again. What gives? Wheres your actual bite and scumhunting in this game? Because right now you cannot hide behind apathy.

DO STUFF. That allows me to read you. And stop with this cutesy bullshit.

I'M ONLY AN INNOCENT LITTLE ALISAE I DIDN'T MEAN NO HARM ;~;

So yes, more posts like this Ali. More posts like this. Because this is at least something I can relate to because Dunn is hard to read for me as well. Im not sure what Giga is seeing atm. Dunn was the exact same as this in PYP d1 from what I can tell. It takes him a while to sort his reads. Id be surprised if the slot flips scum here though, ill tell you that.

This last thing quoted the wrong post btw. But it was the post like 2-3 posts later made by Alisae (cba to go find it again)

[Vecna]

You wanted to talk to me, so what happened with that?

I was catching up on 20 pages, sorry.

We can talk later instead, I dont think ill be changing your mind regardless. It appears im no longer a lynch candidate atm, so ill just let my actions do the talking instead.

Give me that benefit of the doubt at least. And I think people should realize theres a limit to anyones capabilities as scum. Very few people are gonna be able to type smooth like I have been in all my talking in this game and make it appear honest (apparently giga disagreed, but w/e).

Just saying you want to lynch me, after all the effort I put in - with the main reason being not wanna be fooled and not liking the claim and hoping to be towncleared by it - is not really a nice thing to do fmpmov.

[Vecna]

Anyways people are gonna hate on my this game, because im not gonna fall in line and follow the popular opinion here.

I have yet to decide whether this is scum titus or not - but so far she has actively avoided any of her usual town-style which allows people to read her. She continues to scumread me, becuase she thinks that me attacking her (when she thinks she should be obv-town or w/e).

I still have a gut feeling there is quite possibly 1-2 scum in Alisae / Frogger / Gigabyte / RandoMidget /Heart . The first four here are not really conforming to their town-meta that I know of them just yet. Alisae is having some good posts here and there, but its mixed with plenty of bad signals. The same applies to frog and Giga. Ill do my due diligence on Antihero to meta-read him and check if this is how he plays as town. Everyone is telling me im wrong, but fuck that. Ive had too many games where my day1 reads were exactly ON-POINT for everyone to be ignored (Alisae of all people should _know_ this). Actually so should Frogger.

Either Dunn is scum there that is trying to appeal to me by having very similair reads - or he is lock-town that is the only other 1 for having some grain of common sense of not going with the waves and pressing where its not popular. (the first thing would be totally pointless though, seeing how im on the same brink of elimination).

The fact people are still voting him after he claimed a strong and confirmable role is kind of meh to say the least.

[Vecna]

i) On one hand they're acting pretty different from what I've seen as sfrom scum Aelita. On the other hand wow her push on Vecna slot is really bad.
ii) I don't understand what you're asking. Are you asking why I scumread giga?

i) is aelita someone that you expect to make pushes you think are good as town?
ii) basically, like, i was metadiving you and i saw a quote from you saying "giga is incredibly easy to read as town" and it didnt sound like you got paranoid about it.
this game i recall you saying something along the lines of "giga seems town but he probably would seem town as scum".
why the added paranoia here?

My stance was that we weren't lynching someone with a provable role - which is also, yes, a towny role.
No matter how much people will yell otherwise (to the point where he's being voted for his role rather than anything else)

I'm not sure if I ever said I townread them? I said I townread vecna

i think i just kind of assumed from what references i found in your ISO that you had been townreading his play as well by how you were defending him.
could you talk about what your read on him personally was over the course of the game?

I think Random is the one scum on a scumteam that is very out there in the open and participating a lot

im going to eventually get around to poking around your ISO.
i just really dont understand how you can so strongly feel like the entire scumteam is driving the game here.
very few scum players can pull off being as active as frogger, ali and giga have been and the way youve been talking, its like you think theres at least two scum in there.
if you want me to take what youre saying seriously and/or if you seriously want to drive pressure on them, you should be condensing strong points to make it clear why you think theyre scum just beyond "dunnstral and i are mislynches".
by probability, town mislynches a lot on d1. running up two townies on d1 isnt unusual, yes?
what makes this scum-driven vs badtown-driven from where youre standing that makes you feel so confident in saying dunnstral seems town just via gamestate?

Its very hard to make these things tangible and understandable since theres a lot of gut involved. But ill try and give it a shot.

3 wagons: the first being Giga, and the following 2 both heavily influenced by Giga.

A certain group of players is not at all afraid to just go out in the open and say ridiculous stuff, and just vote without reasons, without clarification, without shame, and jump around a lot. This to me indicates its quite likely that there is indeed a very strong group of scum-players in this game, and they all have the same similair attitude here: WERE GONNA ROLL OVER THIS GAME.

The scumteam here is putting in a lot of good performances, and they know it - and theyre trying to drive the gamestate and lining up mislynches. This doesnt quite make sense with every scenario and all people potentially being scum - but this is my assessment of how things are standing at the moment.

Theres also 0+ scum in the group of Random / McMenno / Aelita and some of the other low-inpact players (yes I know this is a stupid statement by itself). whoever they are, theyre feeling strengthened by the play of their scumpartners and are even less afraid to play the way they feel like. I think I can clearly sense it in the atmosphere in this game, cant you?

The other lines of thought here is who the leading wagons have been: Giga, Vecna, Dunnstral. All these are players that can solve a game, and have done it lots of times before. Lynching a player like this day1 and having a townflip puts scum miles and miles ahead. If im right, scum only need to kill of 4-5 key people, and theyll cruise to victory totally unopposed, leaving behind the players that get easily demoralized. This is the strategy that is being persued here.

Now I know, all this is wildly speculative - mostly based on gut - but this is my assesment of whats happening here.

[Vecna]

But okay. Present me as a Satan. We'll see who is laughing when you flip scum.

Getting me lynched is not gonna be that easy. And even if you do manage, youre gonna see a town beethoven flip. Wooptie-doo.

[Vecna]

Either Dunn is scum there that is trying to appeal to me by having very similair reads

this is a bad tell and you should stop using it.

So you dont think its interesting he put forward pretty much the same reads as me? While noone else has them?

You dont think its something I should adress, being town and all?

Because either he's copying my reads for whatever weird reason (which I doubt dunn would do, especially in this situation) - Or he's locktown to me for being able to come to the same conclusions.

The fact he claimed tracker/watcher is a role we can quite easily confirm, and is a strong claim we shouldnt lynch regardless (imo).

Dunn is gonna flip town.

[Vecna]

Now, come in here again and state im not scumhunting Titus.

I double-dare you

[Vecna]

do you not expect alisae to make lots of cutesy points as town?
i dont really get your point when youre saying that you feel like theyre playing like they were in civ.

I know theres going to be a bunch of cutesy comments. But I also know that at this stage town-alisae is going to try to have an impact on the game, with snide and sharp ali comments. Theres been a few of them, but not nearly enough to properly read intent. I might be put off by the interactions between frogger/ali and them wanting to gamesolve together, who knows.

[Vecna]

how many games have you seen with more than 1 active scum who were purposefully crafting and driving wagons?
vs maybe 1 really active scum and a bunch of subtle scum egging on town to make bad decisions?
i feel like the latter is a lot more common and while i wouldnt rule the former out, you would have to argue specific points on specific people driving the gamestate for me to be remotely close to considering what youre pushing here as its just not what usually happens at all.


also this is possibly? my last post today because im off tonight, can people make a promise to me to elevate the play in this game?
make an active effort to sort people on their posting/ISO?
idk.
just like throw effort at the game if you are going to post a shit-ton.
or just dont post a shit-ton.
either works for me.
and yes im a hypocrite.
but im a hypocrite who is ready to rehabilitate and change his ways until the next game where he becomes a shitposter again.
[or maybe later in this game when i inevitably become demotivated again but hey i never said i was perfect :') ]

p-edit: i dont think those sorts of things are interesting.
and its this same kind of logic that led you to call leonshade scum in civ when it just wasnt good logic.
scum dont look at people's reads and then say "oh i will use this person's reads".
if dunn is scum he likely just came to the same reads out of convenience.

Yes, the latter does happen more often - I just dont feel this is one of those games. Im not honed in enough yet on which people it are that are the scum driving it, but I feel that its happening. The scum is hiding in plain sight.

And yes, im wrong plenty of times as well - so what. So is everyone. And my push on Leon in that game did help him get back into the game again, which allowed me to read him better afterwards. For convenience sake you do ignore that I was the only one that nailed 3 of the scumslots on day1 using similair logic.

Heck, I even called out the EXACT strategy/gambit that scum drixx was playing, but the entire game kept clamoring that it made him lock-town. I called out the exact plays that your predecessors were making, yet allowed you to fool me sadly.

Dont focus only on the bad please. I was stupid / unlucky to tunnel down on ABR as opposed to any of my other scumreads from day1, and it fucked the game - but my deductions were still valuable and on point.

[Vecna]

But okay. Present me as a Satan. We'll see who is laughing when you flip scum.

Getting me lynched is not gonna be that easy. And even if you do manage, youre gonna see a

town beethoven

flip. Wooptie-doo.

And that's why I scumread you. You re trying to coast by on being town-cleared by flavor. Just like Reasonably Rational (who, by the way, was also a smooth typer there) and Skybird in SU2 mafia. I am not gonna be fooled by that twice.

Are you really gonna stand there and say im "coasting by" on my claim? I dont give a fuck about the claim, and neither does anyone else. I feel it should make me even more lock-town, true, but ive put in about 10 pages worth of content that should far out-do any effect of that claim.

Stop talking about that claim and evaluate my damn play instead.

[Vecna]

At any way Gork - i want to accept your offer.

Lets tryhard this game together ok? Filter out the downsides in eachothers play and solve this shit.

[Vecna]

Btw, I still need someone to bond with me.

Ill be the passive one - you dont have to talk (you cant)

Doing this will give us nightchat N2 and onward for as long as I live.

[Vecna]

Btw, I feel like sharing the name of my role that RC came up with for shits and giggles. Itll make you understand why TB had a hard time understanding his role pm.

Ill not literally copy-paste it since I dont know if thats allowed, but my role name has:

-the word: Modified!
-2 uses of the word bond/bonded
-I do things passively
-And im a self-enabling, but disabled, enabler - of night talk!

yes, my role is 10 words long.

[Vecna]

So, like, are you gonna tell me - with a straight face - that scum wouldn't insist they're town?

This has nothing to do with what I just said. I said, actually play mafia - and evaluate my play. Dont hide behind the fact youre scared of being fooled by a claim, but actually play the game.

[Vecna]

Yes, well....its think its rather dumb to not utilize night-talk.

Like the only argument to not use it is that it makes the thread even bigger, which fucks up replacements

jjh - I find you extremely hard to read. Your posting seems very genuine and thought-out, and I could see it coming from a decent townplayer or a eloquent scum high-end player.

I havent seen enough yet to wag me one way or the other. Your early game tone made me think youre scum, im not so sure anymore.

But ill gladly bond with you.

Pm the mod with the bond request then?

[Vecna]

I did. On this page. You ignored that. Adds 'ignores what he doesn't like' to the list of reasons.

You said I present you as satan, and that Im trying to cruise by on my claim. Both are false. I didnt ignore that, I told you to evaluate my play as a whole.

[Vecna]

You are picking easy targets to scumread. You keep trying to join a neighborhood which doesn't want you. You want to bribe town into becoming a townleader rather than earning that position. And finally, I don't trust your 'smooth typing' because scum can do that and get away with that if they are good enough players, which you are. Now die.


^So like, you just ignore dat? Fine by me. Die.

"keep trying to join a neighbourhood that doesnt want me"

What? I asked you once to bond, while you were ASKING ME FIRST.

Then I asked someone else. Im not trying to join shit, im just trying to enable my nighttalk ability.

Where did I bribe my way into becoming a townleader? Youre just repeating one of Titus' nonsense statements here. I dont care about being the town-leader, and thats not how mafia works anyway (allthough lategame it often enough does fall to me in a natural way, because I "earn it" as you say).

Anyways like I thought, trying to talk to you is a waste of time. Just keep on being stubborn I guess. The real scum smooth talkers are delighted im sure.

[Vecna]

Everyone will see you for the scum that you are. Maybe not today, but they will before lylo.

zzzzzzzzz

[Vecna]

Im gonna be so annoyed if I open up that scum-chat after the game and someone gave Aelita instructions to be this game's mathblade on purpose.

[Vecna]

Don't play dumb. You said 'designate me as a town leader, lynch 3 random people on 3 subsequent days and let me appoint a successor in case scum nightkills me'.

you realize this was just shitposting right?

Like, are you really thinking that was a serious game strategy suggestion?

[Vecna]

I submitted the bond request btw.

[Vecna]

Don't play dumb. You said 'designate me as a town leader, lynch 3 random people on 3 subsequent days and let me appoint a successor in case scum nightkills me'.

you realize this was just shitposting right?

Like, are you really thinking that was a serious game strategy suggestion?

Also, it's rich to accuse me of rehashing Titus' points when you are rehashing points others made on your behalf here.

What, im not allowed to tell you it was shitposting because others allready stated the obvious?

[Vecna]

Don't play dumb. You said 'designate me as a town leader, lynch 3 random people on 3 subsequent days and let me appoint a successor in case scum nightkills me'.

you realize this was just shitposting right?

Like, are you really thinking that was a serious game strategy suggestion?

Also, it's rich to accuse me of rehashing Titus' points when you are rehashing points others made on your behalf here.

What, im not allowed to tell you it was shitposting because others allready stated the obvious?

Well, since I am not allowed to make the points against you just because Titus previously stated them, no, you aren't allowed to do that and accuse someone else of that in one breath.

Except in both cases, theyre mischaracterizing what im doing.

I never tried to bribe my way to anything. Titus claimed I tried to "bribe my way into the hood" because I stated I did need to bond with someone to activate my nighttalk (which was already a rediculous statement to begin with)

You now use the exact same weird statement that im trying to "bribe" my way to becoming town leader. Go ahead then, point at the hypocricy, and reinforce your point. What did I do to "bribe" my way to town leadership. And what leverage do I have exactly?

And yes, if youre using an obvious joke, as a point as to why im scum - im going to point it out, and make it painfully obvious youre being rediculous - and that all your reasons to scumread me so far, are, in fact, ridiculous

[Vecna]

I have also submitted my bond request.

Aelita, appeal to hypocrisy is

a fallacy

It stops being a

meta towntell

when you say it.

Also hullo I'm new

You aren't new. A newbie wouldn't learn these terms so quickly.

Yeah, this one definately aint a newby

[Vecna]

i have come back from the dead to say that vecna should not fight with aelita because nothing productive will come from it ooOoOOoOoOoooo

Come back from the dead instead to try-hard with me, please.

[Vecna]

And I was just stating a fact in 3343

And stating the obvious also equals town according to Vecna, so therefore, because I stated the obvious, I must be town. That''s his reasoning for you.

Youre probably town, but not for any of these reasons.

[Vecna]

And yes, you bribe people with promise of free night talk and letting them become an active member. That is your leverage.

And I use that to become town-leader, how exactly?

Im not bribing shit, im trying to get into a bond for obvious reasons. The fact that I need to be passive is just because my role requires me to be.

[Vecna]

Were not talking about this website, just in general.

Site meta doesnt matter anyway

[Vecna]

Hey Matt, when are we gonna see some earthshattering revelations from you?

[Vecna]

Find me 3 scum to lynch. Im the townleader and I get to decide the lynches for the next 3 days, and youre my deputy.

didnt you get the news?

[Vecna]

Oh, and just because you can smooth talk doesn't make you town. Scum could smooth talk as well. This iso is the proof of that: viewtopic.php?t=68256&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

And guess what, its happening again.

[Vecna]

Hey Matt, when are we gonna see some earthshattering revelations from you?

Who is matt? I don't see a matt on the player list

Oh excuse me, chairman doggo, apparently I have you mixed up with someone else

[Vecna]

why are you still engaging aelita
i would have thought if you were to have learned anything from civ, its that engaging a mathblade equivalent is a noisy mess that drowns out everything else.
stop it.

Meh, im stubborn too.

I just wanna be townread by everyone

[Vecna]

Firebringer can you bring your a-game as well as opposed to having every post be about there being too many posts, shitposting, or trolling? Some of that is fine, your useless post ratio being above 0.8 is not.

[Vecna]

i would not be trying to play leader here as scum. you read civ. im a sack of shit who feels uncomfortable with every post i make. unless i massively improved since then, im pretty obviously town.

Except you replaced into a slot that was about to get lynched in that game - bit hard to play leader that way, and some of your posts really didnt feel like you were feeling uncomfortable with them to me.

But youre still like 89% likely to be town this game. yes 89%. Its a science, ok?

[Vecna]

so dunn is passively a tracker and actively a watcher?

vecna, how is that comfirmable as town?

Not as town, obviously, but as that role at least.

[Vecna]

And even if he's scum, I for one am looking forward to seeing him fabricate claims on his partners, or try to guess the role of other players

[Vecna]

Isnt it a bit early to become my indentured servant Transcend? Dont get me wrong, its an enticing offer but I strongly recollect asking you for 3 names that I should designate as our lynches for the next 3 days.

The townleader gets to delegate. Thats just how that works.

[Vecna]

Vote Titus with me then.

I wanna see them do their trick where they confirm themselves as town to me.

Titus, titus......heeeere Titus.

[Vecna]

I think Dunn is a terrible day1 lynch unless he's lock-scum regardless giga. I have a quite clear picture how the slot plays on later days, even after 1 game (or so i'd like to imagine).

Claiming to be tracker/watcher is quite an interesting claim regardless. I love mechanics speculation, and if scum dont outright kill him......itll provide entertainment in the form of guessing games.

Is Dunn rolefishing? Is Dunn scum that just lucky guessed noone visited X? Did dunn just track his teammate or a town PR doing something? Is the guy going to confirm?

So much entertainment and guessing games!

You should be just as delighted by the prospects as I am.

[Vecna]

Eb prob town but eddie is scary and giga hasn't flipped scum in a game with me on this site to date

Yeah, I too would love to see a Giga scumgame. Even more for them to try to get even with me.

[Vecna]

Are you gonna try-hard if you ever roll scum with me as town Transcend? Do you feel the need to get even with me?

[Vecna]

I have never seen Random as scum. This is the first game where im noticing a difference.

[Vecna]

You know what would be best for Dunn's claim? That he gets to be buddies/bonded with me and I get to dictate his targets.

People would go absolutely NUTS with theories that were scumbuddies together. It'd be epically hilarious.

Dunn you up for pissing people off to the extreme?

[Vecna]

I have never seen Random as scum. This is the first game where im noticing a difference.

What difference?

He was scum in Tatsuya Kaname's Anime U Pick mafia game

Yeah apparently im not 100% in comparing to meta from games I wasnt in - so im just gonna pass on doing that.

In civ I fucked up massively by being tricked by Kyouko faking his own meta....while at the same time doing a succesfull tone-meta comparison on Jaereed that noone believed which caught him as scum day1. Id rather not make that mistake again.

[Vecna]

Do you have reads on Bella and Mcmenno you can share?

I have no idea how to read this Bella slot. McMenno could well be scum, but to be honest noone is going to be reading that slot properly anyway - unless someone has the missing secret to reading Menno.

In my games noone has ever been able to read him properly yet since he always just does the same trollshit stuff.

[Vecna]

Hey Giga, how do you like that Prospect that I decide who Dunn gets to target?

[Vecna]

Ugh, fucking 1-way bonding mechanism is sure gonna get in the way of a lot of interesting shit for me this game

[Vecna]

Frogger, did you see the Watcher/tracker claim?

Why would you want to lynch that?

[Vecna]

Its good to know everyone im suspicious of is doing such a great job reading the game ~

[Vecna]

Hi, I am available for interaction but I am not reading oodles of shit.

Then gtfo and replace out

[Vecna]

Him im Titus

"Vecna scumhunt or youre scum"

"im refusing to read anything"

"Vecna is scum, he's not scumhunting"

[Vecna]

You know what would be best for Dunn's claim? That he gets to be buddies/bonded with me and I get to dictate his targets.

People would go absolutely NUTS with theories that were scumbuddies together. It'd be epically hilarious.

Dunn you up for pissing people off to the extreme?

Yea make sure your buddies don't get caught.

Ok, mathblade

[Vecna]

Hi, I am available for interaction but I am not reading oodles of shit.

Then gtfo and replace out

No. You can just die as scum that got a bad slot. Sorry. I don't need anymore words, I need to see if my theories are accurate or inaccurate.

Ok, prepare to be 1v1'd then.

[Vecna]

Its good to know everyone im suspicious of is doing such a great job reading the game ~

your reads are terrible this game. Unless you're scum, in which case it makes sense that your read are terrible.

Yeah, w/e

Lets lynch Titus

[Vecna]

Him im Titus

"Vecna scumhunt or youre scum"

"im refusing to read anything"

"Vecna is scum, he's not scumhunting"

Yup. You still aren't. You're AtEing and trying to control things but are not scumhunting. You're spamming but not scumhunting.

I am bored of this day.

Youre the one not scumhunting. You already had your judgement ready before I even joined the game, and you havent done shit all game except being the local mathblade replacement.

Youre pretending you need some gimpy slayer gambit to find scumreads as town. When was that ever the case?

You refuse any interaction with me. You refuse to read the game.

Im not unvoting you, untill you start doing shit, and ill actively try to get you lynched starting now.

[Vecna]

You know what would be best for Dunn's claim? That he gets to be buddies/bonded with me and I get to dictate his targets.

People would go absolutely NUTS with theories that were scumbuddies together. It'd be epically hilarious.

Dunn you up for pissing people off to the extreme?

Yea make sure your buddies don't get caught.

Ok, mathblade

Insulting my sibling is just trying to piss me off.

Why haven't you voted JJ or Bella? Nevermind, you don't SR partners and you start shit fights with me when I read your partners correctly, just like PyP.

Since when has that ever been offlimits to you? Whose appealing to emotion now?

[Vecna]

What does mathblade mean? I've seen that word twice now and google is directing me towards Titus.

And google never lies!

[Vecna]

You know what would be best for Dunn's claim? That he gets to be buddies/bonded with me and I get to dictate his targets.

People would go absolutely NUTS with theories that were scumbuddies together. It'd be epically hilarious.

Dunn you up for pissing people off to the extreme?

Yea make sure your buddies don't get caught.

Ok, mathblade

Insulting my sibling is just trying to piss me off.

Why haven't you voted JJ or Bella? Nevermind, you don't SR partners and you start shit fights with me when I read your partners correctly, just like PyP.

You didnt come to a read on "my partners" titus. You started with a read on TB (a wrong one) and then you looked at who was defending the slot or being unwilling to vote it. This is exactly what Mathblade does.

Are you gonna deny this? Did I misread the game or something?

Why are JJ and Bella scum? Because I havent defender either of them, ever. I have no read on these 2 slots. But hey, it must be because theyre my partners right?

You havent even explained this. If you want me to work with you, stop this frustrating crap, do things like you normally do, and quit with your incessant mumbling thinking you've figured out the entire scumteam again on day1.

[Vecna]

So tell me why Bella is scum. I have never played with the slot, and the slot has hardly done anything. Im incapable of sorting a slot like that - youre well aware of my playstyle.

I have my suspicions about JJ, but the same applies.

Feel free to convince me with compelling arguments Titus. For now I find no good reasons to vote either of these slots.

Im not gonna rehash my earlier statements what I think about the gamestate. You can check my Iso and look for medium walls.

TLDR: ~2 scum in Giga/frogger/ali/Titus/Heart - Scum are looking to run over the game.

Saying im not scumhunting is bullshit. Everyone knows it. Saying it after blatantly claiming youre not even catching up on whats actually happening is even worse.

And yes, youre being awful atm. Notice how I have never adressed you like that before, and draw your conclusions. Ill usually give you the respect you deserve, but the way youre going about it here is deserving of nothing.

[Vecna]

But I think this is town v town.

In no particular order:

My townreads are Titus, Vecna, Frog, Alisae, Gork (reviewed again, still town), Aelita, Heartless, Eddie.

Nulls are Transcend, Shiqf, Dunn and Bella.

My scumreads are Mcmenno, Random and Fire.



So yeah, I said your reads are ridiculous. I'm not going to agree with them a post later.

These townreads are all assuming that when these slots roll scum theyre incapable of putting on a good show.

That is a vital mistake, every single one of your townreads (minus Aelita) will run you around in circles as scum.

[Vecna]

JJ - its quite obvious theyre very straight-forward ABC reads with just looking at surface level play.

The type of reads scum would give, or the type of reads townplayers give without assuming people are actually really decent at playing scum.

Ill throw a nice quote at you from someone - Youre in the process of being endgamed (if you live that long).

[Vecna]

Okay then.

I believe I have left the same number of breadcrumbs as you have.

Also, stating that people are really bad at crumbing is not really a great thing to do

[Vecna]

-cue everyone checking me and Alisae's isos-

-queue scum doing just that.