Me - wrightIn post 505, DkKoba wrote:Was partially due to grudge.In post 503, Flea The Magician wrote:You have a specific kind of hyperfocus, you do look around but you'll always take a shot at your current primary target where you can. Which is what you're doing. Difference here to previous to me is that those shots are more frequent than I'm used to seeing.In post 500, Wright and Justice wrote:as for flea - are you really claiming im tunneled on mollie right now? And not looking anywhere else?
Dont know if that's just because I'm not the primary for once ^_^;
Im hashing it out in the hood since its not really game related ish in the sense of necessary to solve either of us. Should be mostly ok from this point forward especially if i have finally stumbled upon the right solve
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Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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OK I want to shelve it and not add onto the fire and talk about it postgame mollie.
So if you please - drop it.
If you want to discuss it further we have a private topic.
I'm not going to unpack and explain right now.
We made progress here. Just focus on that please."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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In case people do want to know - i, while drunk, tried to push mollie into going in the direction of solving slots outside of me and not just talking about our slot as it was getting frustrating for me to constantly be unable to get mollie to stop discussing me and actually give thoughts on other people.
I did so in a way that nitpicked their entire play and pointed out things that were objectively scummy to continue to do on top of other things. Which was out of frustration with how mollie was treating the game and me.
I don't want to continue discussing this during the game and have another 3 pages of mollie vs me so this is the last you will hear about it in this thread until the postgame."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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In post 513, pirate mollie wrote:
It is clear that you have made the hood an unsafe place to be in.In post 509, Wright and Justice wrote:OK I want to shelve it and not add onto the fire and talk about it postgame mollie.
So if you please - drop it.
If you want to discuss it further we have a private topic.
I'm not going to unpack and explain right now.
We made progress here. Just focus on that please.
I am not going to talk to you there, because I want witnesses.
I am now scumreading your slot because Gamma was once a list mod, and is well aware of the direction of the sitewide goal of inclining towards civility as a whole, because it has been toxic for years. He should be telling you to shut the fuck up right now,(she did tell me to stop btw)because you are trying to bully me into submission but it isn't going to work.
What I am trying to parse, is whether or not you came in with a premeditated plan to pick a fight with me or whether you merely anticipated one. Every single bit of that points to Gamma's and your pregame analysis, and it is their alignment I need to determine in order to determine yours.
Gamma knows that site meta historically has been, "pick a fight with Mollie, if you are scum you will get town cleared because she is emotional and she gets toxic when she gets emotional". it is why I took a break, and the world changed and the site sort of got better. At least I thought.
It is Gamma I am trying to read at this point, not you, I just want you to make up your mind about me and leave me the fuck alone.In post 512, Flea The Magician wrote:ok I'm going to put a pin in it for both of you here, if lines have been crossed, report it to the game mod, or use the report button, or talk about it post game and hash it out or just frankly call it done between you both.
we're on 21 pages, and I'm going to reiterate this.
Its like watching 2 kids fighting, coming to tell on the other kid then going back to fighting just far away that you can't hear whats being said. This clearly isn't a good environment for either of you rn and it's already spilled over here.
Stop.In post 510, Wright and Justice wrote:In case people do want to know - i, while drunk, tried to push mollie into going in the direction of solving slots outside of me and not just talking about our slot as it was getting frustrating for me to constantly be unable to get mollie to stop discussing me and actually give thoughts on other people.
I did so in a way that nitpicked their entire play and pointed out things that were objectively scummy to continue to do on top of other things. Which was out of frustration with how mollie was treating the game and me.
I don't want to continue discussing this during the game and have another 3 pages of mollie vs meso this is the last you will hear about it in this thread until the postgame."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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In post 500, Wright and Justice wrote:thank you mollie for finally engaging people who aren't me
as for flea - are you really claiming im tunneled on mollie right now? And not looking anywhere else?
I ask because some of the statements you are throwing out imply that.
Also there is a pleathora of new info since i last mentioned my read on mollie ->
a) IV is extremely unlikely to be partnered with mollie at this point due to mollies confident claim that they thought IV and andres were in a hood
b) they have finally started to engage people outside of me in a way that looks genuine
c) there are people now actually egging on the TvS stance -> wheras before the majority were mostly reading it as TvT(as in active people). This leads me to my next reshuffling of my PoE:
Alice is approching the game in a 1 dimensional manner that betrays an agenda
I'm not sure what to think of IVs stance on pushing us as town but when people are not pushing their direct counterwagon -> esp someone with a weaker scum meta-> i venture to say that is +town(and objectively regardless of if you think I am town 9r not ) *unless* the 2 are SvS.
That being said -> I'm wanting to pivot away from IV at this point in time because of their string of posts and the fact that my direct solve was disproven.
VOTE: Alice
My IV read is shelved for now contingent on if they continue their energy this dayphase. It's not a high bar either for them- IV knows what is being looked forIn post 501, Wright and Justice wrote:
In particular this read on Holden is complete hogwash and meant to discredit the town fulcrum as well as leader ^In post 481, AliceK wrote:I think Wright and Justice can be partnered with HoldenGolden. I think they push the same agenda. I will elaborate on this later.
Holden is the towniest player by far this dayphase. I will not be taking criticism. There is overwhelming evidence if one even bothers looking in how Holden approaches the game.In post 502, Wright and Justice wrote:Alice - show us the thought process you used to reach Holden scum. You have been hesitant to play thus far.
Facebones - you were already asked before, but why havent you used your hood to communicate with IV?
@IV - what has been said in there thus far?Now - let's talk about the game we are playing ->
these are the game related posts I want to actually be paid attention to at this point on this page and responded to by relevant parties(other than flea who already has responded)"A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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so back to this^In post 519, Wright and Justice wrote:In post 500, Wright and Justice wrote:thank you mollie for finally engaging people who aren't me
as for flea - are you really claiming im tunneled on mollie right now? And not looking anywhere else?
I ask because some of the statements you are throwing out imply that.
Also there is a pleathora of new info since i last mentioned my read on mollie ->
a) IV is extremely unlikely to be partnered with mollie at this point due to mollies confident claim that they thought IV and andres were in a hood
b) they have finally started to engage people outside of me in a way that looks genuine
c) there are people now actually egging on the TvS stance -> wheras before the majority were mostly reading it as TvT(as in active people). This leads me to my next reshuffling of my PoE:
Alice is approching the game in a 1 dimensional manner that betrays an agenda
I'm not sure what to think of IVs stance on pushing us as town but when people are not pushing their direct counterwagon -> esp someone with a weaker scum meta-> i venture to say that is +town(and objectively regardless of if you think I am town 9r not ) *unless* the 2 are SvS.
That being said -> I'm wanting to pivot away from IV at this point in time because of their string of posts and the fact that my direct solve was disproven.
VOTE: Alice
My IV read is shelved for now contingent on if they continue their energy this dayphase. It's not a high bar either for them- IV knows what is being looked forIn post 501, Wright and Justice wrote:
In particular this read on Holden is complete hogwash and meant to discredit the town fulcrum as well as leader ^In post 481, AliceK wrote:I think Wright and Justice can be partnered with HoldenGolden. I think they push the same agenda. I will elaborate on this later.
Holden is the towniest player by far this dayphase. I will not be taking criticism. There is overwhelming evidence if one even bothers looking in how Holden approaches the game.In post 502, Wright and Justice wrote:Alice - show us the thought process you used to reach Holden scum. You have been hesitant to play thus far.
Facebones - you were already asked before, but why havent you used your hood to communicate with IV?
@IV - what has been said in there thus far?Now - let's talk about the game we are playing ->
these are the game related posts I want to actually be paid attention to at this point on this page and responded to by relevant parties(other than flea who already has responded)
Also does *anyone* think Alice has been towny?
Because I think they have not and I want them wagoned here."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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Ok.In post 530, pirate mollie wrote:
I have almost 60+ hydras and I can promise you that this is not an okay way to talk to a hydra partner.In post 525, Wright and Justice wrote:stand down gamma, we're moving on and focusing on the game
"Stand down"? WTF even is that shit, Gamma is your equal, not your subordinate.
You should treat them with respect.
What YOU need to do is stop posting. You are bringing the game to a toxic level and you have been warned.
Sit on your hands if you have to. I used to tell Titus this very same thing when we hydra-ed. In text. On phone calls.
How can I possibly look outside of your hydra if you won't shut up for 2 freaking seconds?
Anyways - What's your read on Holden?"A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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I already had Alice in my PoE and I am giving you a chance here because you showed depth of thought.In post 533, innocentvillager wrote:i actually don't love that koba backed off me so quickly it's weird and almost pockety that they were lockscum on me and suddenly are voting someone else.
What do you want to know about my thought process surrounding the move?"A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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In post 500, Wright and Justice wrote:thank you mollie for finally engaging people who aren't me
as for flea - are you really claiming im tunneled on mollie right now? And not looking anywhere else?
I ask because some of the statements you are throwing out imply that.
Also there is a pleathora of new info since i last mentioned my read on mollie ->
a) IV is extremely unlikely to be partnered with mollie at this point due to mollies confident claim that they thought IV and andres were in a hood
b) they have finally started to engage people outside of me in a way that looks genuine
c) there are people now actually egging on the TvS stance -> wheras before the majority were mostly reading it as TvT(as in active people). This leads me to my next reshuffling of my PoE:
Alice is approching the game in a 1 dimensional manner that betrays an agenda
I'm not sure what to think of IVs stance on pushing us as town but when people are not pushing their direct counterwagon -> esp someone with a weaker scum meta-> i venture to say that is +town(and objectively regardless of if you think I am town 9r not ) *unless* the 2 are SvS.
That being said -> I'm wanting to pivot away from IV at this point in time because of their string of posts and the fact that my direct solve was disproven.
VOTE: Alice
My IV read is shelved for now contingent on if they continue their energy this dayphase. It's not a high bar either for them- IV knows what is being looked for"A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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In post 130, Wright and Justice wrote:For me PoE looks something like
[IV - Mollie ] for people acitvirely scummy to me and [t3 - alice - flea] for the rest who are poe by not having towntold yetIn post 279, Wright and Justice wrote:Anyways ->
ATP I want hard pressure on Alice because based on POE from people who have spoken having towntold to some capacity, Alice is caught floundering in PoE and also avoiding playing in this game.
If IV is scum they will help spew their team atp and i'm willing to let them live as they have lots of trouble with endurance - but their more recent postings have shown a higher thought process than I remember reading from their scumgames and thus I doubt that will be necessary."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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I also mention Alice as part of my PoE twice in my hood on page 3 and 4, which mollie if they want to be helpful can corroborate.
I will quote this into the PT and provide the posts for mollie to look at.
We can consider no reply as a confirmation I'm telling the truth - so mollie doesnt need to interact with me."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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I hope that's enough proof for you IV that I didn't just suddenly change directions(in the sense of a jarring progression) and I naturally arrived where I am now due to new evidence in thread."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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Inaccurate:
When solving a game, one needs to factor in who the FN is.
It helps to find viable solves this way, if I have a read on someone being an FN, then I can eliminate that person from my POE, even if I think their play feels scummy.
I come from a background of Chat Mafia play where we played a lot of open setups that involved town PRs that needed to hide. The better players learned to PR hunt as town - and would even pull of roleswaps based on their PR reads as town(myself included).
I would love to give an example of a game but unfortunately the website, Epicmafia, went down. T3 however played on that site with me and can corroborate what I am saying is true.
To solve in this setup, having an idea of who can be viably partner with who is important. This is part of why one wants to keep the hoods hidden at first - that way, if someone is pushing a solve that involves 2 hoodmates together, that is useful info for that hood as they know that the person that is pushing that is pushing a confirmed townie.
I solve on a holistic level - meaning I look at all options and in the process I end up solving PR puzzles too.
My level of play is at a fairly high level in this sense that I am looking at everything as a whole and making sure it fits.
My weakest part of my play - which is on display here - is being convincing to players, especially people who have little experience with me.
This would be scummy - I give you that mollie - if it came from a noob player who was not good enough as town to do what I detailed above.
However at worst your case is NAI on me.
I fully admit I am looking for FN on the side - but if you think that I have been actively hunting for it, that is something you need to prove rather than point out a conclusion i shared with you. (FN this is a signal to you that you shouldn't use your ability on me, other than the obvious reason that our hood is claimed.)
This is a game philosophy that I maintain throughout games. I don't play many open setups anymore at all - and the ones I do are vanilla role ones - so I cannot prove anything recent but I think T3 should be able to advocate that what I say is true about the mindset of players from Epicmafia regarding treating PRs when town."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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Right now I look at solves in my head that look like:
WNJ - mollie[/green]
IV-Facebones
Alice-REDACTED
REDACTED - REDACTED
REDACTED
this is how I view my solves in a setup like this.
I would have shared this solve with mollie if I could trust them not to just share it with everyone and point scum straight to the FN.
Sorry mollie , but your tenacity to constantly share things that are not pro-town to the main thread does not make me want to work with you in terms of solving the game - not that you are willing to right now with anyone. (please prove me wrong by doing so)"A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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fixed oopsIn post 542, Wright and Justice wrote:Right now I look at solves in my head that look like:
WNJ - mollie
IV-Facebones
Alice-REDACTED
REDACTED - REDACTED
REDACTED
this is how I view my solves in a setup like this.
I would have shared this solve with mollie if I could trust them not to just share it with everyone and point scum straight to the FN.
Sorry mollie , but your tenacity to constantly share things that are not pro-town to the main thread does not make me want to work with you in terms of solving the game - not that you are willing to right now with anyone. (please prove me wrong by doing so)"A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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I was hesitant to push on IV earlier because I thought they were FN for a while - mollie knows this. If I was scum who had an agenda of just outting the FN I just skip that step and push them or just let the townies push them when theyre already getting pushed.
Or I just get my partner to vote them because eyes are still on me.
Unless you wish to say andres is my partner.
Which I suppose is a valid response to that - and a step in the direction of getting you to actually look at the game beyond just me.
I have been concerned about andres' lack of engagement but its sitewide so I've shelved it as NAI as this is very typical for andres on d1."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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Doesn’t seem like you’re really trying, is the thing. Though is really referring to just your general approach to us, not your view on the mech stuff, though I’m sure Koba knows what they’re doing. And I am also trying to help Koba be more chill but it’s in 1 on 1 talks.In post 545, pirate mollie wrote:I can't get past it. At all.
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Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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Actually i was wrong the answer is no but I did actaully later on out this read in the hood on IV.In post 546, DkKoba wrote:Mollie - yes or no - when I told you IV was possible FN, did I, or did I not say that if they were not the FN they were likely scum?
Answer honestly. No semantics.
I at the time of the FN thing did tonally scumread IV - and i did push them at the start as you see - and i only shelved it *because* of said possibility of FN.
My bad.
However after seeing holden and gamma both express concern on IV while having my own concerns - i too agreed with this once looking over holden case."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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so timeline:
I start game pushing on IV -> alice attacks me for ???(seriously still dont understand the initial reasoning) -> andres denies hood+refuses to ellaborate-> i back off thinking IV potentially did an FN gambit -> i still think IV is scummy if not FN -> holden starts pushing IV -> i actually remember saying in thread we should leave IV alone for the time being -> i am drunk-> i see holdens case -> i am like ye that snot bad -> gamma also thinks iv is bad and says so to me -> i share this into the hood so i have proof of progression -> i decide to sheep later on because i feel the scuminess outweighed the possibility of FN
It's really simple when you create a timeline of events."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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what mollie assumes is that i have a strong read on IV being FN when i never actually expressed that and even my initial post stated i thought itd be between andres/IV."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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i literally beg anyone to force mollie to provide content on slots other than me i am willing to do anything at this point.
they have now implied i am lying that my first langauge is polish in our hood and i have reached my breaking point after the previous accsuatiion that i faked a post for gamma
please i fucking beg people to step up and force mollie to get into line and stop their bullshit towards me"A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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@holden @T3 @flea @andres @IV
i really dont care what your read is on me i just want to stop suffering in this game from someone who is making it unbearable for me with how they interact with me."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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oh to follow up on this after i broke down to them begging them to stop accusing me of lying about everything they continue their damned questioning and ask me if im really from poland or not - to which i will refuse to answer because im done with this bad faith shit.In post 555, Wright and Justice wrote:i literally beg anyone to force mollie to provide content on slots other than me i am willing to do anything at this point.
they have now implied i am lying that my first langauge is polish in our hood and i have reached my breaking point after the previous accsuatiion that i faked a post for gamma
please i fucking beg people to step up and force mollie to get into line and stop their bullshit towards me
im thoroughly disgusted with you mollie and you should be ashamed of how you treat people.
PEOPLE
I am a PERSON mollie
THANK YOU."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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YOU ARE BEING PEDANTIC AS FUCKIn post 557, pirate mollie wrote:
I asked you what part of Poland you were from, and you didn't answer that question.In post 555, Wright and Justice wrote:i literally beg anyone to force mollie to provide content on slots other than me i am willing to do anything at this point.
they have now implied i am lying that my first langauge is polish in our hood and i have reached my breaking point after the previous accsuatiion that i faked a post for gamma
please i fucking beg people to step up and force mollie to get into line and stop their bullshit towards me
And when I asked you to check the box as to whether Polish was your first language, you said no."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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what
RELEVANCE
is this to the game??
do you enjoy this? is this a sick perverse pleasure you get from making me upset mollie? because i keep telling you the way you approach me is upsetting me and you seem to intentionally do the thing i tell you not to.
its like you are trying to cause issues.
i dont know what your problem is with me but its just gross that you treat someone this way."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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you are so scared to answer about a read on another player but you are perfectly fine intentionally upsetting a person by doing exactly what they told you is triggering to them.
why are you so afraid to say how you read Holden, Mollie?"A dark time is coming for our legal system...
Our work lies ahead of us... and I, for one, am looking forward to it."
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seriously if you are town this game : it is YOUR responsibility to tell mollie to take it down a few notches at this point because i have now enough proof that mollie is just literally seeing red in *everything* I do to the point of being extremely pedantic."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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like mollie has us to such a high standard that I have to dance for them and even if i do dance for them i still end up losing its a losing battle like i wish i literlaly randed any other person as hood or preferably the FN
please i deadass need people to actually put mollie down a few notches so they stop because i really really want to play."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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yall sick of the mollie/I 1v1 can direct yalls concerns to mollie because if you cant see I have literally begged mollie multiple times to look outside of my slot and interact elsewhere - but hey we got 1 more person saying "stop focusing on eachother"
i'm prob not going to post much anyways for the next 24 hours anyways."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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Spoiler: just the sampling of the number of times I've tried to push mollie into talkinga bout anyone but us
at least im pushing to actually correct this issue and have tried to reach out
@Flea what do you think of the vibes of the few posts Alice has made?
Perhaps outline how you feel if I were confirmed town vs confirmed scum in the scenario, in terms of how Alice has primarily sniped at my slot.
Their ISO is short, only 5 posts, so shouldn't be too difficult."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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I wasn’t kidding when I said I’d not be able to be rlly active until at least Wednesday
Also: I would not have approved of Koba using my tag to veil their thoughts, primary reason being that I feel a kinship with actual character of Apollo Justice, and given that I prefer that we stick to the tags we opted for initially. I can be snide when I want to, I just try not to go overboard with it.
Also: I kinda forgot what mollie was trying to ask me because I saw her mention something regarding me not answering it and I am drawing a blank about it
Also also: to the point about Koba focusing on making mollie read Holden, pretty sure that’s just meant as a first step.
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lol, if it sounds worshipful of Koba it might just be, they have been a pretty great person in my experience. As heated as things can get in games, outside of them Koba is a genuinely nice person.In post 617, pirate mollie wrote:I find it hard to believe that Dkoba is coaching you. It's what they are insinuating. It wasn't snide, the comment sounded almost worshipful. Of Dkoba,
Anyways, my question to you is what your pregame notes were to Dkoba, because they made TvT early on and then picked a fight with me. I want to know what you told them. Their rage seems manufactured in the same way that your scum partner MT's did in our recent game. I have said this in the gamethread and in our hood.
And my pregame notes were basically non-existent but I did say at gamestart I figured you’d be paranoid of me and I didn’t rlly know how to read you, and tbh the fact you didn’t seem to exhibit that paranoia in a way I expected is kinda what makes me distrust you (aside from the meta lies, those are bad)
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Because as I said, that wasn’t a win, though if the amount to lim was kept straight it might have been, but we were basically at the knife’s edge if we didn’t get the miselim in 10pIn post 631, pirate mollie wrote:If you knew that I would be paranoid of you then why did you act all surprised and indignant when I joked and said that I was gonna vote you outta spite with a cute emoji?
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tell me about it lmaoIn post 645, Flea The Magician wrote:
Ok well if you're going to talk to me like that then frankly this game just got a lot less enjoable.In post 642, pirate mollie wrote:
Well, I came into the game with the expectation that we would get along and that if we both town, we would have a bonding experience. It is clear you have no interest in that.In post 640, Flea The Magician wrote:You have a lot of interest in me currently mollie, whatsread on me currently? You've asked a few people and nothing comes to mind when I think of you mentioning a read on me recently.your
I only have one game with you, and you were reads were the worst in the game. I think you lack discernment.
So I am going to try to sort you through POE. I am just going to leave you alone and work on figuring out other people.
I asked a simple question, got a character attack and talked down too followed by a screw you. Lovely.
Never got the answer to the question either.
also come vote alice with us.
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to the highlighted: this is a lie/misrepresentation(mollie will claim otherwise because their misinterpretation is what they take as absolute fact) and just an assumption mollie made based on how i entered with the air of cooperation - the only thing i can think of where mollie thinks for whatever reason we thought this was that I offered to let eachother's RVS vote be determined by the other - which was a probe into who mollie might choose as a deeper way to read them. but apparantly mollie wanted to play the assumption game and be all like "lol that means u townread me".In post 630, pirate mollie wrote:
Never once have I ever said it was TvT.In post 619, HoldenGolden wrote:Hey Mollie?
I mean this nicely, but you need to read the thread closer.
For example:In post 608, pirate mollie wrote:No.I don't even know what you are talking about here.I asked if you had read them in isolation.It is a simple yes or no question.
You brought up meta to this discussion at that time. I had just done a catch up and I wasn't sure what you were exactly referring to by it. Thus I ask what meta are you talking about. It's not as complicated as you make it out to be.In post 601, pirate mollie wrote:Have you iso-ed W&J?I am not engaging in meta, I am asking if you have looked at them in isolation.I was going through it and there is a lot there that doesn't add up and it seems like town!you would pick up on that.
The post that 608 responds to also includes my stance on Dkobba which conflicts with the underline. I did answer it -- regardless if you liked it. This ties back in with the TvT stuff. Even other people in the thread like IV were saying that it was TvS when you made those posts. Yet, you kept saying it was TvT. Stuff like thatDkoba said it was before we even interacted. It came across as trying to force a perception.In the bookmark you went from a SvS, to TvS, to possible TvT.
Could you please point to that post that you are talking about here? I really don't remember jumping on T3 for anything, I just wondered at one point if they were playing the "too scummy to be scum" card. I am intrigued that they were endgamed 5 times as scum.It really fells you are more invested in trying to prove people are scum rather then scum hunting. I mean, you jumped on T3 here for a post that says it is unrelated to game which implies you didn't also read my catch up post.
I thought all I did was remove the meta tag but maybe I inadvertently changed the quote tag in the process.. I thought it was funny and I thought the mod thought it was funny too, hence why they referred to it. I didn't know it was against the rules. You know I think you are funny, right? I think you bring a much levity to the game and I kinda love itIn post 612, pirate mollie wrote:*Holden thinks they are being slick with the tags
You forgot a quote start bracket hence why it broke and when you quote the original one, it fixes the post. Try it. Press quote on 608.I think that is why George Bailey highlighted your name in unbolded red, I think. The bbc code messes up if I requote your [/m e t a ] post intacted.
Did you know that would happen?
1) Nope, it is also against the rules I believe
2) The meta tag you are referring to was added in on your reply. My post's code doesn't actually contained it.
3) [meta][/meta] aren't actual bbcode handlers and such wouldn't impact anything.
Huh? The only tags I added were tags. And I apologize, I certainly meant no offense, like I said I thought it was funny, I certainly wasn't trying to get you in trouble. I think I misunderstood the tags rule, I always thought it was mod related. Like you couldn't use mod tags or something. I never really understood the rule, to be perfectly honest. I thought it was an IT thing.This accusation is actually pretty serious for what is outlined in 1). I would normally forgive it, butyou seem to have added the meta tag which you are claiming breaks the bbcode.Regardless of your actual role: if you are scum, that's really fucking low and toxic. If you are town, you really need to be more careful and track . You aren't coming off as 'direct' but rather unwilling to parse things.
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I spent all the free time I had before class writing this on mobile. When I'm done, I'll engage with the rest of your post. 612 just really got to me and I want to set it straight first.
I just thought you were being slick! Like a funny pun.
But I am sorry that you took it that what, it isn't what I meant.
these kinds of deranged conclusions dont come from a scum so really just like bin mollie as town and just ignore them from now. they got 24 hours and only just barely decided to read outside of my slot and still keep trying to make reads based on how people read my slot.
its been well over 24 hours so im coming back swinging now.
Andres - I understand being sparse in content is NAI for you ,particularly now. However - we have little time left now. Please at least force out a perspective by now. I think you should try to read in the slots that aren't Me(because you have uh yeah been inaccurate with me)/Holden/Mollie, and I wanna know how you feel about players like Flea/T3/Alice/Facebones"A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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honestly - I have no concrete scumread between Facebones-IV-Andres, IV being the weakest of them at this point - but what I am sure of is that Alice has been swept away by the pace of the game and has only popped in to egg on what I view as a TvT fight atp - in which case makes Alice scum independently. Plus IV/Facebones cannot be teammed together.
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btw I just finally had this scumgame finish, If you want to see how I've been generally playing as scum recently -> you can take a look here.
Alice is also in this game and had a much more solvy vibe there."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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I think Flea is town, faer thought process so far seems rather genuine
me and koba have been pretty synced in our reads I would say, which is nice because it's sometimes a struggle to do that for me
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Can you give some examples of the posts you are saying "make sense" as partnered?In post 691, AliceK wrote:My case on WJ and HGwas around T3. T3 was strongly townreading WJ and I noticed that without any reason HG put him as a townread. I had a closer look at both of the isos when HG started questioning my read on WJ indicating that it is very weak and nai arguments were used.
I just checked HG iso and their posts make sense provided that WJ is their partner. Didn't look at WJ, beside first 5 pages. Maybe something has changed.
Also now that a game has finished that had both of us in it, (I was Jolyne), does knowing I was Jolyne in that game change your view on me here?
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I believed their ploy to claim a hood with someone who wasn't their hoodmate was a possible FN thing so i decided to avoid pushing on it but when dayplay reasons catch up with someone, the mech reason isn't going to stand in my way.In post 700, Andresvmb wrote:
Like this makes no sense. You thought they were FN, so you held on pushing them, but then why didn’t you question Holden’s case more aggressively? It came quite early, so you should have pushed back on it somewhat if your belief that IV was FN was genuine. But… you didn’t. You quoted it multiple times as legitimate in fact.In post 544, Wright and Justice wrote:I was hesitant to push on IV earlier because I thought they were FN for a while - mollie knows this. If I was scum who had an agenda of just outting the FN I just skip that step and push them or just let the townies push them when theyre already getting pushed.
it wasn't a particularly strong FN read regardless.
I get your point about my tone/play being able to come from scum!me - but if you and I are agreeing on reads for similar reasoning and such, that should be a good sign for you. you aren't explicitly townreading me here which is usually where we "agree" on reads if I'm scum against you so take that as you will. I *did* have you in some possible teams early on if I'm being honest - around the time I was pushing IV I thought there was a chance.
Right now I'm at the point where I think its Alice-> One of Facebones/IV and if game were to not end after that i'd be thinking hard about who last scum might be."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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You can stop right fucking there. Koba is not the only one steering this slot, and yet your words here illustrate that they’re the only one you’re really perceiving. That is extremely reductive and I want you to stop.In post 708, Andresvmb wrote:Also, perhaps I need to detail why I’m being so skeptical of W&J. Because as much as I hate to say it, they will do anything and everything to win within the bounds of the game. I have seen them get into heated fights with their Partners, absolutely railroad players that weren’t sufficiently loud but had a good grasp for what was happening, engage in blatant manipulation, claim a nonsensical PR (and get away with it!), and even outright spam the thread as Scum. Everything that’s been said about their Town game is accurate btw - it’s based a lot on gut and emotion, but it tends to be mighty accurate. They can also switch on a dime. Which is why it’s so hard to pin them down early, and why I would caution anyone about forming a hard read of the slot unless they’re leading consecutive Scum executions and truly don’t make sense as Scum (though by then, they’re usually just NK’ed).
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Also I think what AliceK is seeing regarding T3 TRing is should imo make her question T3. T3 has a way of forcing out reads as scum, which I applaud him for as my own scum strategy tends to involve putting out strong reads, but there’s a way in which he does it as scum that I think can be recognized. Do I think he’s guilty of it here, not yet. But it’s something I think one should be wary of. So it’s concerning Alice immediately jumps to accusing us and Holden vs. scrutinizing T3’s immediate TR on us for Koba’s mech talk. Koba’s theory is Alice is trying to discredit town leader slots and I’m inclined to agree via the targeting of Holden in particular.
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Do you think I’d sit idly by and let Koba do things I disapprove of? I’m pretty sure I’ve already had to bring them in a little. It just seems like you’re completely ignoring my influence, and that offends me. Being marginalized is one of my pet peeves.In post 714, Andresvmb wrote:You can start complaining if I personally attack you or pretend like you don’t exist. That’s not what I’m doing. What I am doing is cautioning players from settling on the collective read they have of your slot because I know a member of the hydra is willing to go to great lengths as Scum to win a game. Not sure what’s so controversial about that.
This also feels like you’re throwing paranoia our way for very little reason. Do you ACTUALLY think we’re scum rn? If not, why the shade?
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I'd like to point back to the game I linked where people asserted that me looking for 3P meant I was 100% scum and then got to be clowned for the take.
you aren't the first nor the last to try to tie an action that *already explained why I do from a town perspective* and twist it as only being from scum.
I 100% expect an apology from you post game after the way you have treated me even if you flip scum.
You are so caught up in this tunnel still you forgot that Facebones wagon is a thing and that Alice/Facebones can be teamed together.
Point me to a single thing Alice said that was towny - and no, sowing doubt on obvious town like Holden isn't towny."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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stop pretending like you're a fucking saint lmfao
you have been consistently bad faith, inconsiderate, and straight up awful towards me this game and you refuse to admit it because your ego is too large."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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its been a sludge because the 2 main pushes have been mostly quiet and not active and hey - that kinda makes it *hard* to get movement.
notice how nobody is sheeping you on my slot now?
Are you a scumhunting genius now? That you can see through me so well when others have seen the same evidence and said basically "nah thats fucking NAI garbage"
humble thyself."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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just because townies are finding eachother without you doesn't mean townies aren't finding eachother btw mollie - it just means you're getting in the way."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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and as for Gamma being a "good egg" and you making all those assumptions about what she would do - in all seriousness? you dont fucking know gamma well like that. you dont get to make assertions like that about people you barely know. so frankly, show some respect to gamma and dont assume things. Gamma is someone who isn't going to make me do anything."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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like what gives YOU the right to come in and continuously assert that someone would do something in a certain way - when you know jack shit about that person other than playing a couple games with them.
you don't get to extrapolate data like that. it's upsetting gamma atp and while I'll tolerate for the most part shit you say about me I will absolutely put my foot down when you start your incessant gaslighty behavior towards gamma."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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