Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Ranmaru]

I didn't like Gamma's wall because I had to read too much... Liked it even less when I read it.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Did you think Gamma was likely scum due to it though? Why did you like it less when you read it?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Why is this? After noting Shaziro's post, can you tell me why you are being quiet this game?

[Ranmaru]

Quote to notify Gamma

Hey. Talk to me about Creature. He was in The Thing Mafia but I want your input. How does his play here compare to that game?

<snip>

It's almost as if I insinuated you were scum and that I couldn't trust you as our leader AND that your anime gimmick is really lame--did you take that all to heart and get so peeved you had to come back swatting?

VOTE: Kokichi

Here is my question. If you felt Koki was scum, why did you choose Dunk as your vote instead of Koki at the time?

[Ranmaru]

when do the world council stuff start?

VOTE: dunkerdoodles

Sup bro. Why did you vote Elbirn in the first post, I'm curious. Also, what's your thoughts on Creature? Who else is scum (besides Dunk since you're voting him)

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Can we please avoid using words spuriously? Reading walls with no reads or point is very annoying.

Alright, you may feel it's annoying, but why vote Gamma instead of simply telling him to restrict that posting to a manner you feel would be better? Why are you still voting him?

[Ranmaru]

3- I can actually try to play the game. Downside: I won't be able to also prepare my meal, watch TV and get ready for the shower while actually trying to play the game properly.

I want you to do this. I just came off of work and ate. You can do it too. I value your feedback so I'd rather you do this then do all the shenanigans. Just cut to the meat, please.

There is no town motivation for a quote wall on page 2.

Pedit. Same reasoning as titus.

I disagree. There can be, especially since the game was moving fast. Gamma's reasoning to post this way is sensible and something I would call an improvement in his play. How do you feel about Gamma now?

[Ranmaru]

@Ranmaru, Frankly, the gamma vote is ok. I am concerned about patterns. Kochi has the most votes to lynch yet players are not wanting to create a counterwagon for the host vote. One of the lead wagons is also highly likely to be scum due to wagon participation so I am reluctant to unvote.

I'm needing to see more things atm.

Hosts are a one time thing, right? I can see players holding out until their reads are solidified before doing so. It seems you have played a previous CIV game, though so I have no idea how host voting compares to actual lynch voting. I see no reason to remain on Gamma, since you voted him due to walling. (He explained it) He seems sensible. The only thing I note from him is cautiousness, but I can't determine which alignment that may be for now. I also think we can still discuss who deserves host votes, maybe even give fake host votes to bypass the permanence of the host votes. Also I'm assuming you think the wagon participants may be town, of which I

mostly

agree. I think scum are laying low or are competent. Who do you propose is a good host? I say: Chara > Joey > Titus > Varsoon > Ranmaru > Marshy. I'm not interested in mechanics but I'm willing to be a host and work it out if I'm voted.

TOWN [Ranmaru > Chara > Joey > Marshy > Titus > Varsoon > Action Dan > Shaziro | Dunk > Almost50 > Kokichi > Gamma > Brass > Klazam > Buja > Joda > Pidgey > Assemble | Elbirn > Creature > Nero Cane] SCUM

Vote: Nero Cane

I don't see Nero really trying to progress the game, he's voting Dunk and not doing much with it, and voices support for Bu but doesn't vote there. It's also odd he hasn't responded to Marshy's FOS. His interaction with Bu doesn't seem like he's scum hunting him even though he supports his wagon.

[Ranmaru]

Marshy: Move your vote from Dunk, Nero is voting him and you FOS him. Vote with me.

[Ranmaru]

Yes.

[Ranmaru]

Fair point on that. I'll drop that point. Why didn't you respond to Marshy's FOS, and why are you voting Dunk right now? What's your recent thoughts on him?

[Ranmaru]

Waddaaa...?? You asked me to show you I was Town. OF COURSE I wanted to be TR'd by YOU, and from this player list you're about the only one who can actually see town me in that post (well, maybe Titus will.. maybe not, but nobody else will).

Is this a feeling you always have with reference to Chara? (Since I know you don't care to appeal as town iirc) Who do you think is scum at the moment?

[Ranmaru]

Those are just town reads, then a bunch of nulls, and then three weak scum reads.

[Ranmaru]

I voted Dunk b/c his vote for Koki felt scummy and buddyish and I'm not totally sure I buy into his "whoops misread the OP!" I do kinda like his 230 but nothing else in his ISO jumps out at me as towny. Should it?

I still think Marshy is prob town. I mean obviously, his post about not electing a leader made me a little but I think it was most likely an attempt at a joke.

That's all fair. I only find Dunk null, and could see the angle of 'he shouldn't be that open to delegating that early'.

[Ranmaru]

Unvote; Vote: Creature

[Ranmaru]

So far I assume Shaziro and I want Chara as World Host. Who else does?

Faux Elect: Chara

.

[Ranmaru]

How come you appealed for me to give feedback when you hadn't even tried to sort me out? And how come I'm not your Top TR if you did try to sort me out before you posted that?

Since I know you'll have great reads, I'd rather let you do your thing and just observe you. What you said is fair. (Reading for gist for now but later for comprehension and details) I'd rather encourage you to post your feedback since if you are town, it'll help us greatly.

Why is marshy and Shaziro in your town block? Why is Elbirn in your scum block? I'm curious about these because I don't really see that much from them yet. Also what dictates the order of your nulls right now?

Marshy feels town for now. More of his jokes and tone. Shaziro I like his presence, his questioning to AD to clarify something, his observation of Creature. Elbirn simply due to posting in early game and dropping off. The nulls aren't really ordered as of now, they might be as game goes on though. I just ordered them that way as I looked at through the playerlist. How do you feel about voting Creature?

[Ranmaru]

and oh yeah kokichi? not bad for a newer player. i hereby declare a wishing of hope for productivity in kokichis mafia career

Hey, why didn't you interact with me earlier, Marshy? What's your read on me right now?

@Ranmaru hosts can repeat. You must use heal tag to vote for host. Once you do, it is locked.

How do you feel about the Creature wagon, would you join? What's your read on Marshy, and how do you feel about him healing you?

[Ranmaru]

Can you post the notes now?

[Ranmaru]

I'm liking Kokichi. I don't mind if he were an alternative to Chara as host. Question: How many scum are we assuming is in this game/setup?

[Ranmaru]

Vote Creature, Dunk.

[Ranmaru]

Thank you, A50. I'll keep that in mind. I'll assume 5 for now but consider the 4-6 as a possibility. Join me on the Creature wagon? You're not scumreading Kokichi and I don't think he deserves the votes on him now.

[Ranmaru]

Marshy, what's your read on Dunk now?

[Ranmaru]

A50 doesn't care about appearances as town, he does care more about it as scum. I don't see a reason to wagon him today. Come back to the Creature wagon.

[Ranmaru]

If Creature is scum, Marshy is scum.

[Ranmaru]

Possibly, that's a good point. I would think town!Marshy would catch on to Creature earlier then you got onto the wagon, though.

[Ranmaru]

You never said you were busy.

[Ranmaru]

Creature, who is scum?

[Ranmaru]

Dunk, why is Nero Cane obv town to you?

[Ranmaru]

Why Elbirn, Vasoon? Also I have a question addressed to you earlier in the thread. Also, why are you still voting Gamma? Who else is scum?

[Ranmaru]

Explain, Nero Cane.

[Ranmaru]

I was wondering when you'd respond to that.

[Ranmaru]

I understand Nero Cain's vote. I'm interested in seeing Brass explain his vote.

[Ranmaru]

No, explain it now.

[Ranmaru]

#691

[Ranmaru]

Brass, why are you sheeping Nero? Can you explain what Nero is voting me for?

[Ranmaru]

I don't think Gamma is scum. I also forgot that Nero Cain seriously thinks people using nicknames is a tell.

[Ranmaru]

Nero Cain

: No, I mean I read that post, and did the same as I did there: I gave you the nick name for fun. Then after I posted it in response to Gamma, I kept reading on to see that we had an argument about it. (I also had some laughs)

[Ranmaru]

I will get at this after work

[Ranmaru]

Spoiler: Catch Up

How is a misspelling scummy

You're right, it isn't.

vote:Gamma

VOTE: gamma
he is scum

Why are you two voting Gamma.

Why Elbirn, Vasoon? Also I have a question addressed to you earlier in the thread. Also, why are you still voting Gamma? Who else is scum?

Elbirn's definitely town, given how he's played this. I don't agree with his backing of Kokichi and I'd feel way more comfortable with Elbirn in the 2 people deciding things than anyone else because I feel he'd actually make democratic decisions rather than ones based on just what he wants. Apologies for missing your previous question, lemme get to that. It helps to bold things. I have a bad habit of skimming hard sometimes or missing posts entirely. I couldn't tell you who else is scum, but Gamma's still my best lead for who may be. When you stay 'still voting Gamma'--did Gamma do anything to exonerate himself or make himself really obviously town?

No, he hasn't. Meta wise, this is quite the improvement. I don't see as much votes from him, though.

So far I assume Shaziro and I want Chara as World Host. Who else does?

Faux Elect: Chara

.

Question:

How many scum are we assuming is in this game/setup?

Didn't like these much.

If you want Chara as host why would you not vote? Its like he's afraid to not do things that are popular.

The scond (bolded) doesn't matter but 5/16 is the going rate.

I didn't know about the secondary option you mention to Chara, nor did I read the rules thoroughly. I see nothing wrong with discussing host and holding out my host vote until later since it's permanent. That's not fear of doing what's popular, it's a smart play. Why did you go back and dig this up?

Brassherald has revealed himself as an

Innocent Child!

He is guaranteed to be aligned with town.

Check this game out to see an example of how to IC: Diamond is Unbreakable

VOTE: Nero Cain

scummy. no town player goes after ranmaru for their vote/main focus at this junction of the game. almost50 can still go as well

eh wot m8
I've kinda been concerned of buddying from Ran so idk

How am I buddying you, when I have a null read of you?

VOTE: Nero Cain

scummy. no town player goes after ranmaru for their vote/main focus at this junction of the game. almost50 can still go as well

eh wot m8
I've kinda been concerned of buddying from Ran so idk

are you scum this game or just being incredibly bad?

the difference between town ran and scum ran is as clear as night and day. as scum he posts halfassed attempts going nowhere and has none of his characteristic bravado. you should kno this by now and onto the scumlist you go for terrible thoughts

fos gamma

He hasn't seen my scumplay besides The Thing Mafia

Let me read on Klazam. I want Titus as second highest and Brass as highest for WC, 100%. Tell me where to vote to make that happen, I'll do it. Now, a short rant.

How in the fuck did you join in 2011 and yet have no idea that AI means Alignment Indicative and also not know not to go and freakin' throw out a vote you -can't move- on somebody based on what I think you said was like 4 pages of reading, out of a damn 20-something page game. Jesus fuck I hate it when people don't even -skim- the game to catch up before making big calls, AAAAAAAAAGH.

In non-rant news, I still want to hear from ActionDan, and also A50 is 100% scum in my mind if Klazam flips scum, based on the way he just tried to distract from the suddenly building wagon on Klazam with some super weak sauce. Yeah, it was a shitty dumb thing to do that scum -could- have motivation to do, but a vote on pidgey might as well be a non-vote at this juncture, and A50 should know that. Gross.

In 2011 there was no 'AI' term. That and NAI are new terms.

i dont like how quickly klazam wagon formed

why

I'm glad it stalled hard so that we could figure out World Leader votes. I'm critical of Marshy for trying to make it gain a lot of momentum--moreso because, in multiball, he wouldn't have as much of team to propel it. If anyone's scum on that wagon, I'm thinking it's him. That said, if it's multiball, there's a good chance that Klazam is just scum anyway and could be a different team than Marshy, so I'll still take the Klazam lynch because it's better info.

what?

the point of a wagon is to lynch or create pressure. yes i want to put momentum towards it so something can HAPPEN in this game and generate more info/reads

besides

>joins me on wagon
>makes a CASE for the wagon
>shits on the guy who started it

lol @ this guy

What's your read on Varsoon right now

I'm glad it stalled hard so that we could figure out World Leader votes. I'm critical of Marshy for trying to make it gain a lot of momentum--moreso because, in multiball, he wouldn't have as much of team to propel it. If anyone's scum on that wagon, I'm thinking it's him. That said, if it's multiball, there's a good chance that Klazam is just scum anyway and could be a different team than Marshy, so I'll still take the Klazam lynch because it's better info.

Why did you consider Multiball when it came to Marshy and Klazam, though? What are your individual reads of them?

That's great, problem is I've only seen them as scum once so I have less to go on, so please keep in mind who you're talking to
Unless you want to enlighten me that they were scum in Crossover

I was town there

VOTE: Klazam
I am curious. I will follow Varsoon for now.

Why are you following Varsoon? What's your read on him. Why aren't you interacting with me as much?

>Varsoon is speculating about multiball

REEEEEEEEEEEE

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Varsoon

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Question, you said you had notes. I am wondering, what did you have notes on, and what conclusions did you make? I'd like to see that.

I don't like the wagon on gamma. Too many votes on someone who hasn't done anything scum-indicative.

I still Koki is scum but since I don't have new reasons than what I already said I feeling this might be a lost cause.

At first I thought Nero was voting dunk instead of koki because he is not paying enough attention or hasn't though it through. This is clearly not the case and my logic is not 'dumb'. It might be wrong but not dumb. For him to actually think his reasoning is not just more correct but actually superior to mine is scummy. Basically he's too closed-minded to be town and I'm not someone worthy of being buddied so he doesn't care about butting heads with me.

VOTE: nero

I like this post.

TOWN [Ranmaru > Chara > Joey > Marshy > Titus > Varsoon > Action Dan > Shaziro | Dunk > Almost50 > Kokichi > Gamma > Brass > Klazam > Buja > Joda > Pidgey > Assemble | Elbirn > Creature > Nero Cane] SCUM

Thanks for the free read on a guy you have never played with. But this might make you town since town is the only one who feels they need an opinion on EVERYONE.

Like you see, I just put you and others there to lump you all as null. Notice how Assemble, who hasn't even played the game, is closest to the scum part. Doesn't mean I scumread him, just null flat out. When the game develops I'll have more developed reads.

WHY DID NO ONE TOLD ME BRASS WAS CONF TOWN WHILE I WAS REREADING.

Sorry should have made you host.

Now I get why you are mad at me, and now I get not to make votes or posts before fully catching up.

Also im lame

I like this

Vote: Klazam

I got the scum boys

I like this too.

marshy, how are you reading Nero now?

now that i think about our games together, i'm pretty sure my last game with Nero was on my Not Chara account, so i can't exactly count on scum Nero knowing my current meta.

should everyone who knows Ran have him conftown by now? i certainly don't know him, but the game hasn't been on for that long.

pedit: i assumed marshy had played with both Gamma and Ran together a few times. otherwise that does make no sense. :>

Why do you ask Marshy about Nero, what's your read on him?

Hrmmm...Creature, Varsoon, Almost50. If they are all scum, there is undoubtably a team in there somewhere. Guess I'll look for some associatives.

We don't actually have a confirmed scum flip from any of them though. I want you to scum hunt individually right now, not look for associative before a flip. (Write a note down for anything you do see for later though)

[Ranmaru]

TOWN [Ranmaru > Brass > Marshy > Joey > Shaziro > Pidgey > Kokichi > Bu > Titus > Action Dan > Chara > Varsoon | Dunk > Almost50 > Gamma > Joda > Elbirn > Assemble | Klazam > Nero Cain > Creature ] SCUM

Unvote; Vote: Nero Cain

Gamma doesn't seem as townie as I would expect. He seems more cautious, and his questioning of me makes sense but he isn't voting as much. Not somewhere I would lynch today, but I want more out of him. I liked Marshy's pushes as of late. I am thinking this is his town play. I liked Pidgey's catch up and vote. Titus, I get an underwhelming feeling from. I want her to interact with me more. I like Bu's recent posting. Action Dan is low impact, can't say it changes my read on him. It's what I'd expect. I liked Chara's early game, but he's falling down for me. Mostly for the Varsoon push and unvoting without a conclusion, and then not really doing much with his vote. Nero Cain, seems to be looking for things to dig up (like my Faux Chara vote) but doesn't seem to be actively scumhunting, I also think his Gamma vote was bad. A50 says that this is Nero Cain's town meta, but if you look at the game I posted, it's much different. I'm willing to Follow Marshy on Klazam if need be, as well. I don't see that much Scumhunting from him, after catching up he doesn't really move his vote or reconsider. Creature is still lurking it up, a wagon I'm also still open to.

[Ranmaru]

NOT VOTING

:

• Assemblerotws, Jodaxq, Gamma Emerald, Joey_, Chara

Why aren't you guys voting? Keep your vote in play.

[Ranmaru]

I suggest experimenting with it. (My first time as IC as well in that game) I also suggest staying active and present, always watching. We all know you are confirmed town, so we know your pressure and votes are pure, so keep that in mind. Titus will suggest you back up and observe. So, in interest in harmony, I suggest you take a balanced middle-approach. One thing I would like to suggest is you bouncing off reads with town reads you have. Start there.

[Ranmaru]

No. I do think lynching someone suspicious with more connections is better for Day 1. That's a fair response. Can I get a list of your reads, Shaziro? What do you think of my #825?

[Ranmaru]

Shaziro: I agreed with Marshy's stance of AD's tone. Due to him not posting as much, he's a bit lower but still a town-lean. I realized Joey isn't voting as much as of my #826, so I'd put him near Chara. Talk to me about Marshy. My town read on him is growing on him so I want to know what you think.

[Ranmaru]

yo ran

do you got time to reread almost50? ive been thinking of lynching him today i havent seen any townie posts from him. tell me what you think

I know A50 tends to have a scummy meta and yet, he has better read accuracy then me. (He's my team mate in Team Mafia) So I'd rather not lynch him today, as he'd be more valuable to town as town, if that is the case. If he's scum, we'll find him through his buddies.

[Ranmaru]

I asked about setup scum numbers so I can have a rough idea of how much scum to expect. I understand, but why didn't you question me on it in current time. It just felt like you were searching for things to paint as scummy rather then actually react to it naturally. You ignored my question to you; Why is Gamma scum to you? I simply liked the tone of Bu's post there. I didn't say I agree with his logic there.

[Ranmaru]

Nero Cain: Yes, but that vote was based on a different reason, plus you said you were just having fun with it. So I don't see why you feel the need to justify it further when you already justified it? I may have in the past, I'm not sure. I usually play in smaller games.

[Ranmaru]

That's it for now. Nero Cain, I'd like a reads list. Gamma, I'd like a reads list from you as well, I don't really have much of an idea of who you want. Marshy, I will keep that in mind. Peace.

[Ranmaru]

Joda

: When do you expect to have internet access? Give us an estimate. Can you explain your vote?

Gamma

: Why do you scum lean Marshy?

[Ranmaru]

Titus

: Why aren't you working with me or interacting with me at all? Why do you follow Varsoon on Klazam? What's your read on Marshy and Gamma?

[Ranmaru]

HEAL: Brass

Marshy talk to me about Titus.

[Ranmaru]

Marshy, I find it concerning she doesn't seem to respond to my substance, and hasn't been responding to my posts to her. That's fine, others are driving wagons now and she's done some work in early game, but she still should be able to show her thought process when it comes to certain things I ask. At the moment I am not trusting her with being Leader nor do I agree with Elbirn being leader.

[Ranmaru]

Dunk, I want you to explain why you feel Gamma is scum. After that, I want gamma to answer your question.

[Ranmaru]

Thank you. Gamma, I want to see your explanation for DunkScum. Dunk, I want to know why you think the Creature wagon is bad.

[Ranmaru]

Chara, thank you for responding to my question by the way. I also liked your previous avatar! Would you like to talk reads, or have any questions for me?

[Ranmaru]

Creature

: Nero Cain, A50, Chara, Brass, Kokichi, Marshy

That was the wagon. Dunker, do you note Creature coming in to do anything lately?

[Ranmaru]

VOTE BRASS 2018

[Ranmaru]

Will catch up tonight.

[Ranmaru]

Unvote; Vote: Creature

Think this is the direction for today. His delay in response to Gamma is bad. I asked him who is scum, he doesn't have that. Originally I asked him why he was being silent, and he said responded with this: #265. If he were truly busy, he'd mention it there. Here he posts this: #359. Note after I ask him 'who's scum', there are no posts. After Gamma asks him why he voted him, no post. There's no scum hunting there whatsoever.

[Ranmaru]

Fun fact: I played Civ V with Marshy and a group of friends a long time ago. Fun game. I think I was going to have a random battle too! Sadly, my laptop turned off and we couldn't continue. I will note here that I am not that savvy with all the Civ talk though.

[Ranmaru]

HEAL: peacekeep brass

[Ranmaru]

wait we did?

Yeah, me you, Zen, Moth, one more person I think. We should do it again.

[Ranmaru]

There is a civ V group. Do you have G+K and BNW or just vanilla?

I think I have vanilla. I'm down to play some Civ and in fact will need to to understand the game mechanics here even better.

[Ranmaru]

Joey, what are your reads right now?

[Ranmaru]

Burn.

[Ranmaru]

Thank you bb

[Ranmaru]

Never mind, I have Brave New World and Conquest of the New World. Everything guchi.

[Ranmaru]

Mod Request Vote Count

[Ranmaru]

Gamma, update me on your reads.

[Ranmaru]

Bujaber, what's your reads list again?

[Ranmaru]

Shaziro, I'm glad to hear the news. I know how that feels, my father was in the same situation a while ago. I pray for your Grandfather's recovery.

[Ranmaru]

I'm in agreement with the IC. I think we do need to have them catch up and give input so we can have a chance to read them. They need to also weigh in on the major wagons. I think besides that, we are ready to end the day. I would think it is a good idea that we just slow down and wait for those two to speak, rather then continue posting. We already have 70 pages of content here.

[Ranmaru]

Off-topic, I'm happy for Luigi's Mansion, Wario, Mario Tennis, Nightmare Kids, Darksouls, Hyrule Warriors, and that's about it. Meh to Smash bros. Ew to Arms.

[Ranmaru]

Dude get it, we can play.

[Ranmaru]

Third level scum play right there

[Ranmaru]

Hello Kiana. Tell me more about your Titus town read. I'm liking Elbirn more off of this page. I think Marshy tends to prefer less 'presence' in general. In fact he advises myself to do so, to be able to observe more and let things flow naturally rather then force interactions. Tonally and meta wise, I get town vibes from Marshy.

[Ranmaru]

Kiana's posts are pinging me somewhat. Something about her reads seems forced as in she felt she needed to comment on specific people.

Can you be more specific? Quote and underline if you can.

[Ranmaru]

When I get home from work tonight, I'll catch up.

[Ranmaru]

I iso'd him again and while i think there's some merits to that, i doubt Gamma would antagonize both his red friends d1

I disagree with this. Having seen Gamma as scum, he does interact a lot with his buddies.

[Ranmaru]

Gamma, why have you been cautious this game? What's your read on Marshy right now? I'm fine with your wagon today, I do see your play here as different and also lack of being obvious town.

[Ranmaru]

Also, who would be your vote right now?

[Ranmaru]

HEAL: Brassherald

Going to work.

[Ranmaru]

Morning. I recently was given a 2 week suspension at work, so I should have more time to focus on this game. Do note, that I'm also having problems with my left hand, so I won't be posting in depth, but will try to give some content as I catch up tonight.

[Ranmaru]

Prod received. I have been lazy with the game for a few reasons:

1. I was focusing on other games.
2. I was binging on manga and anime.
3. Didn't feel like catching up at the time.
4. I saw scum flips and don't care if I'm lynched today.
5. Most importantly, I felt I bit more then I could chew with commitment to this game, sorry.

That's it. Gamma and Titus are orange scum. That's all I have at the moment.

If I'm replaced, at least you have this.

[Ranmaru]

Gamma: Your caution and tone from the beginning of the game. Titus wagoning you earlier seemed like buddy distancing.

[Ranmaru]

Gamma and Titus are orange scum. That's all I have at the moment.

red scum?

I don't have any red scum reads (since i'm not caught up). If you are asking if I am red scum, no I am not. I would like to replace out so I could slack off some more, but I'd rather not place the burden on someone else. I was just watching Hunter x Hunter all over again.

[Ranmaru]

Trust me when I say I can read Gamma and usually if he's being townie, it shows. He hasn't been townie this game at all. Again, more cautious, on the sidelines, rather then pushing for suspects and giving solid observations.

[Ranmaru]

Marshy, what's your read on Titus right now?

[Ranmaru]

This feels more like his scum play then his town play and I have seen his town play in The Thing Mafia, this is more like Penguin Redux Mafia. (Which marshy was in as well)

[Ranmaru]

Alright, reply coming up.

[Ranmaru]

Nero Case

Those questions were more for determining alignment rather then defending Gamma. He was null to me. My thought process with Creature, was his vote seemed malicious, considering the case around Gamma at the time. I think I was right to question Brass and Creature on that at the time.

I don't think that really matters when trying to determine my alignment. Scum may put their buddies anywhere, not always 'third' or 'second'. Scum!me would prefer not to bus. (I have done so, but at the last opportunity)

The dunk comment, could be chain saw. I don't know what else to say to that. Although your next point shows that I make less sense since Dunk was red scum with Creature. Upon Creature's flip I would have pushed Dunk as well, due to his forced vote and unvote I noticed many pages back.

You mention that I could have stayed on you instead of voting Creature. I was wavering on you, especially with you digging things up on me instead of reacting naturally. So naturally, I'd vote you to pressure you. That wouldn't have happened if you didn't do that. Simple as that. I was also the second vote on creature initially, and was the first to bring up him as a scum read. Kokichi was the first to wagon. I've put attention towards him.

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On me being inactive, you have you explanation in here:

Prod received. I have been lazy with the game for a few reasons:

1. I was focusing on other games.
2. I was binging on manga and anime.
3. Didn't feel like catching up at the time.
4. I saw scum flips and don't care if I'm lynched today.
5. Most importantly, I felt I bit more then I could chew with commitment to this game, sorry.

That's it. Gamma and Titus are orange scum. That's all I have at the moment.

If I'm replaced, at least you have this.

[Ranmaru]

we would have lynched gamma in this game had it not been for claims/setup spec

Regardless of claim I'm still down to wagon Gamma.

[Ranmaru]

I already have. I'm basing this on gut rather then evidence right now (based on what I have already seen on Day 1). I'm also basing it on meta, which Marshy agrees to. If you want me to case you, I could do it later, but not now.

[Ranmaru]

As far as I posted I would guess. I haven't read in a while. I want people to know that my left hand is actually hurting a lot, so keep that in mind as well. That's been influencing how much I type. I'm going to take a break now, I'm going to eat and back to watching Hunter x Hunter. I'll try a quick reads list later.

[Ranmaru]

Also, I have a 2 week suspension from work. So I'm trying not to be too sucked into mafia and I don't want to be when I get back to work, as it's messing up my rhythm. Just so you guys know. Peace.

[Ranmaru]

I'm not claiming. A50, before you voted me, being your top town read, why haven't you defended me or mentioned me while others were talking about my slot? (Just as you have defended others like Dunk and Gamma)

[Ranmaru]

@Joey: No, It definitely is NOT dumb. ranmaru has the capacity to go "I think Chara is Red Scum, and Titus + Nero are Orange", "No wait! Chara is Orange with Joey. Red is Almost50", "Actually, it Gamma/Koki for the Orange team and the red is in Joda/Kiana".. all in less than 10 minutes (he can confirm if he likes).

I certainly do, but not as much as you think. Yet this game has already had plenty of scum flips, so I would be less likely to flip around as much, since things would be more clear then without much scum flips.

[Ranmaru]

I think someone should make a chart of everyone's claims so far and go by that. Then compare it to both scum teams that have already flipped. Since it seems people already claimed, are we mass claiming or are we not? If people are saying 'why are we mass claiming', then think as to why people claimed without reason as well.

[Ranmaru]

I haven't read it lately. I'm actually going back to see about the Creature wagon to see who is scum with him. I will note this: Kiana seems interesting, as she only came back just as Creature was hammered. Plus she town read Dunk. So in a way, her V/LA helped her avoid any interaction with the Creature wagon. I liked her observation of Gamma, but I could see that coming from Red scum, since I believe Gamma is Orange scum. I may be wrong on Titus.

[Ranmaru]

You are right. For some reason I didn't think of your reads list, but I have seen it before. I was just thinking of a chart with the updated roles now. (Seeing as one person has claimed on this page) Put simply, I don't care enough to make a claim chart myself. That's why I mentioned that.

[Ranmaru]

Ok, I totally never clicked that. I just clicked on your reads on the bottom. Thanks. I think Kiana is final red scum, Gamma is orange scum. That much I'm confident on. I'm less sure of Titus right now.

[Ranmaru]

Then vote Kiana with me:

Vote: Kiana

[Ranmaru]

I'm willing to support Gamma if we decide to flip him. For now, I'd like to wagon Kiana in the meantime.

[Ranmaru]

Marshy, Kokichi, Shaziro: Thoughts on Kiana? Would you be willing to wagon her?

[Ranmaru]

Just because someone is easy to lynch does not make invalidate them from being scum. Creature was easy to lynch, but we lynched him and he was scum. This is the same case here.

[Ranmaru]

Gamma is harder to lynch due to claim, yet he's still scum.

[Ranmaru]

I think we should wagon Gamma. I like Kiana's #3084.

Unvote; Vote: Gamma

[Ranmaru]

I will say that I don't really get anything out of 'rush of votes' since, we already have 2 red scum flipped, and 1 orange scum. That means that there will be more town influence over lynches then mafia influence.

[Ranmaru]

3084 looks like complete bullshit but ok ranmaru

I like it because it shows she had a plan in mind to improve her lack of reads. I do remember her saying that she was having trouble getting reads initially, and I actually agreed with what she said, scum seem competent. So it lines up with that. I'm not saying I agree with the reads she got there, but I'm interested in hearing why you think it's bs.

[Ranmaru]

I will note that Marshy is a competent player, even more competent then me.

[Ranmaru]

No please! Not the HunterxHunter spoilers!

[Ranmaru]

(I was actually already caught up with Hunter x Hunter, I was just re-reading it all over again, now i'm reading Vinland Saga)

[Ranmaru]

I watched a few episodes of Black Mirror, interesting show. I also like to watch my shows with subtitles, just in general. I recommend West World to you.

The co-mod also HIGHLY recommends Westworld.
Season 2 comes out soon, so it's a perfect time to jump in and biiiiinge.
~M

[Ranmaru]

Pidgey: I keep laughing at your posts. Marshy and I are both hispanic too.

[Ranmaru]

I did not even know Season 2 was coming out soon. Thank you Co-mod!

[Ranmaru]

I'm voting scum. So if I'm voted today, so be it.

[Ranmaru]

/

replace back in

.

[Ranmaru]

My ninja replace out was because I wanted out of this game and wouldn't want to wait another day phase of me having to wait for my death for freedom. I was hoping to let someone else have this, but it seems I must take this slot back. I was in four games at the time, including this one. One in the team mafia game, this one, and two off site. One on face book, and one on XKCD. I was planning on letting someone else take it, but seeing Chara's latest post, I thought fuck it. If people want me back in, I'll come back.

[Ranmaru]

Thanks Chara. : )

Just so you know, I don't hate anyone here. It was mostly real life stress. I'll re-read and get a reads list up. If I can't, I'll get a gut reads up at least.

[Ranmaru]

I'm reading from my replace out yeah.

[Ranmaru]

I'm curious why you think that.

[Ranmaru]

Gamma, let me be straight with you. My problem with you here was because I noted your obvious town play in the team mafia game, and this seemed to be much different then that. Can you tell me why you aren't obvious town here? What is your read on Pidgey, and on Marshy?

[Ranmaru]

Gamma

: So that's why you deadline lynched. I understand, then I don't blame you for doing that. I'm curious why you were paranoid of me there. The obvious townness I have seen wasn't from you driving things, it was your occasional posts that seemed to have come from a town mindset. I mean every time I said 'why are people claiming to lynch Gamma after I see pro-town posts like this?', I meant it. I really liked your play there and want you to play town like that forever. It was hard for me as you were my easiest read there so I had a hard time really buddying with anyone there. Still reading by the way. I just like to interact as I read.

[Ranmaru]

K I am still catching up too.

What’s the biggest thing you’ve noticed so far?

Pidgey. Pine had problems with Pidgey, and I had seen a similar post that is consistent with the behavior Pine disliked of Pidgey. I originally liked Pidgey due to his tone, but my read on him is getting worse. I noted some good points from Gamma towards Pidgey, which makes me want to reconsider Gamma.

[Ranmaru]

Catch up so far:

vote action dan

what's up with this, thought you were sure I was scum

This is actually a good point.

Still think you are scummy

We have 2 days to deadline. Rather lynch than no lynch.

I dont give a crap anymore to be honest.

:/

Vote: Kiana Kaslana

2 days to deadline

This is interesting. Originally, I had a town vibe from Pidgey. Yet, Pine has told me that Pidgey seems like scum that is only interested in deadline lynching, and as I am reading from previous pages, I note that he states 'I don't give a crap anymore to be honest' on him deadline lynching action dan.

Also the 2 kills seems to confirm the 3man teams theory, even if we never really considered anything else

Why and who?

Fourthly, @Ceasar: you are a big scumread right now. By all means provide us with as thorough a read list as you can but if you are town you should try to convince us of this fact. We are close to breaking the game through PoE and sorting your predecessor's slot goes along way towards that. In particular I would like to hear your thoughts about {marshy, pidgey, A50} who have all claimed religion spreader (of different religions per their claimed civ). Also your thoughts on Kiana, Klazam and Jodax. I chose these names intentionally of course as I think all scum are within these 6 names.

If I had to pick between those there, I'd pick Pidgey as scum. One, because Pine believes he is scum, two, because I have noted behavior that lines up with Pine's belief, and three, because A50 is confirmed to giving Brass a religion, and I did have Marshy as prob town earlier. That is pending on what Marshy actually did with his religion, and who got it. I remember Pidgey had a late start, and said 'I found the scum' and voted Klazam, but I don't see him committing to it.

Kiana is scum out of those three. Notice how she's not really doing anything now, she's the last red.

[Ranmaru]

Ewwww

I feel buddied. I scumread Pidgey but I feel buddied here. Anyone got a second opinion?

Please explain how you feel buddied for me answering a question of what I have seen so far.

[Ranmaru]

Because I was like "oh god I might get nightkilled and then Ran would try to use play differences to get me lynched here". As for you thinking I was obvtown there I'll consider looking at those posts where you asked about why they were lynching me, but it would be helpful if you could link them.

I'll get them in a bit, yeah. What's your read on Math?

[Ranmaru]

It feels like you’re trying to appease me.

I haven't seen that so I wouldn't care to buddy you if I wanted to. Look at my recent catch up, and tell me if it makes sense for me to 'see' you vote Pidgey and then magically find something that matches up with what I was talking to you about.

[Ranmaru]

@

Joey

: If not today, then tomorrow after it's resolved.

[Ranmaru]

Joey, tell me what you think of what I have found in my catch up.

[Ranmaru]

As you do, I'll continue reading.

[Ranmaru]

Math, don't forget to respond to me as well.

[Ranmaru]

Pine had the sentiment before me, so I am more likely to agree with him when I see a post like what I have quoted in my catch up.

[Ranmaru]

I had been viewing the latest posts, yes. I have been talking to Pine, and was discussing a possible hydra, but sadly this was around the time he was replacing out.

[Ranmaru]

Yes, that's what I meant. Charabia, Chara mia.

[Ranmaru]

It could be our hydra. : o

[Ranmaru]

I think I'd only consider Kiana from those four. Math is also scum. Pidgey too.

That's probably it.

[Ranmaru]

Titus had a good early play, and dipped in Day 1 as I tried to get her to interact with me. She continues pushing Gamma, when Shaziro comes out as vig. She's trying to keep her options open by shooting you down, in this quote:

Titus, if shaz confirmed that he shot Dunk it means that elbirn got shot by orange scum thus gamma is not soft-guilted (in case shaz is telling the truth)

No. It means that the orange shot is unaccounted for. Nero could have stopped the orange shot. That's much more likely. Or crosskills. That too frees up the Gamma death. Stop forcing your wrong opinion.

[Ranmaru]

What the hell? I just posted something and it didn't appear.

[Ranmaru]

Anyway, Math's reaction to my answer to her question is bad. She's trying to force buddying from me, when I haven't even stated a read on her. My answer to her doesn't in any way seem like buddying at all. Why does she make that leap of logic to that? She wants to distance with pidgey, and doesn't want others to support it. Why else have such a weird reaction to my answer when she was asking to see what I have noticed?

[Ranmaru]

@joey plz explain

[Ranmaru]

But she was actually correct even if my 3677 was more likely, the unaccounted kill is elbirn and he could still be dead by weak + the orange scum shot be blocked/doc/something. Why does that make titus scum for pointing out correct info ?

To me it felt like she ignored SHAZIRO being factored into the equation here. Felt like she was defaulting Shaz to null to make it a mystery, and therefore still be able to state that Gamma may be scum for it. I didn't think any further then that.

[Ranmaru]

Oops sorry math

[Ranmaru]

also that's how they are. i should really just look at this with fresh eyes later but i keep refreshing, and i'm in hell. the short of it is i was concerned about it to but the response to me and Math's general behaviour makes me fairly confident in the read as of right now. and it's true Math is used to going against the grain and being shut down so seeing someone seemingly agree would be notable.

That makes sense. In this case, it's only a coincidence. What do you think of me asking her to look at my catch up, post here: #4358. What do you think of Math's #4379?

[Ranmaru]

@Joey: I never read Math's posts so I don't see how you could think I'm following Math on it or need to. I'm willing to explain as much as I can see. I'm not saying Titus is scum for pointing out correct info, I'm saying she's scum for shooting you down, saying you are wrong so she can continue pushing Gamma, who I am in the midst of reconsidering. I am saying Titus is scum for being around in early game, make a big image of herself, and then not care as much in the later half of D1. Why do you seem to miss what I'm saying here? I know you scumread me here, and I know you have plenty of fuel to think so, but does your strong scumread on me cloud your vision so much that you can't see what I'm seeing?

[Ranmaru]

I'm not claiming.

[Ranmaru]

Respond to my content.

[Ranmaru]

I didn't sheep Math's fos dude. Now if I responded to Math, and said I had agreed, that would be a sheep. Her play was not coherent because she's scum, simple as that. I said my reasoning, did she say it? Note that I have progression in mentioning her early on in the game? Who cares about role? I'm looking at motivation, not role here.

[Ranmaru]

Why were you interested in my claim before I was finished catching up?

[Ranmaru]

Alright. What's your read on Titus?

[Ranmaru]

Shared a read doesn't matter to me then.

[Ranmaru]

Right. Again, I felt the reaction was off. Sharing a read by coincidence doesn't mean I'm trying to buddy her. Now, I told Chara that it makes sense if she always seems to meet criticism and is confused with me sharing a read, and I'm waiting on Chara mia to respond so I can further develop my read on Math via meta. What I want to know is why you town read titus for now. Rather, what the reasoning was before the flip flop, during, and after.

[Ranmaru]

Also between you an I ranmary, your reason to fos both math and titus are extremely convenient, weak especially late game and are flawed.

Between you and I joe, my reasoning only comes after my interaction with Math, not before. Her interaction sparked my memory of what I have seen of Titus, and that's all I have.

[Ranmaru]

Why are you interested in my titus read so much ? Do you think you can sort me via it, sort titus ? Do you seriously will reconsider your own read with new infos ? this might be confbias but even when im genuinely curious about someone reads, i dont tend to ask this kind of question, it feels like youre trying to look busy

Why are you giving resistance to explaining a read? Why else would I ask for your read...

[Ranmaru]

It seems to me like you are not really trying to consider what I say so I am wondering why you are reading Titus so heavily that whatever I say, makes you say 'Titus did it *

but so did you

* so it doesn't count'. I already stated that I think it's because you are confbiased on me, and I can't blame you for it otherwise, but I'm trying to understand why you think Titus is strong town here. When I'm curious about a person's reads, I always do ask 'why?'.

[Ranmaru]

Here is a question: If I'm mislynched today, and you see my town flip, who is scum to you? How does it affect your read on Titus and why?

[Ranmaru]

A50's 3941 is townie. Even when there is overwhelming support, he still doesn't feel that my slot is scum, which makes me think he is town that is correct. Coming from Team Mafia, his reads were pretty accurate as opposed to my own.

Also btw ranmaru posted a lot in other games and that is after claiming he would care about this game. Ceasar also said that he would post more but he didnt, hes also posting in games on his other accs so

VOTE: ceasar

This is true, I was more active in the Team Mafia game. I cared more about that one then this.

I like Marshy's #3996.

I got prodded. I'm okay with lynching Pine/Caesar or Klazam.

I got up to here, to see this. This seems like last scum, who isn't really doing much.

OtM I was strong townreading your slot thanks to Titus and I still do so now, but please do summarize your reads and catchup once you're done, because it's all over the place and I can't make much sense of the fragments.

<3, Kiana

Here, Kiana asks her to summarize her thoughts, Math responds, and she doesn't do anything with it after. She only asked it to seem like she was doing something.

Shaziro's 4122 is also townie. I think plenty of scum dying leaves plenty of town around to want other townies to play better, and that's the vibe I get from Shaziro here.

Has anyone else actually admitted to bring converted to a religion, by the way?

This is a good point.

Vote: Kiana Kaslana

2 days to deadline

This lines up with what I said before. He said the same thing when he voted Action Dan, when he put him at 5 votes out of 9. Action Dan voted me out of survival, so Pidgey may have likely wanted to take advantage of that.

Oh wait you all have three votes.

I thought the rest had like 1 or something lol

vote: pine

choo choo?

Backtracking when he should have been on me in the first place with his clearly stated picks. He never mentioned Kiana, he mentioned Me, Math, and Klazam.

[Ranmaru]

I still think Pidgey is scum. I may be wrong on Math, due to what Chara said. I'll drop Pidgey for today due to the resolutions, as I think Kiana is the true last red scum. I'll be trying to develop my reads on others I have yet to speak about in a bit.

Vote: Kiana

[Ranmaru]

TOWN [Ranmaru > Brass > Joey > Buja > Shaziro > Klazam > Marshy > Chara > | Joda > Gamma Math | Pidgey > Kiana] SCUM

Brass: Conf town
Joey: Active town, stubborn, arguing about many different reads which makes me think he is unaligned with those people [IE: Pidgey, Titus, etc]. I'd still like him to answer my questions, though.
Buja: Early game, Buja just felt like misguided town. His #1057 was weird, but in a townie way. I thought it was too crazy to be something scum would think up.
Shaziro: I think his defense of Gamma, and claiming as vig, makes sense coming from town. I have town read Shaziro early game. I like his 4122.

Klazam: I actually like his #3591. I also like his #4269, noticing what I noticed of Pidgey. #4270 is a very good point.
Marshy: I like marshy's #3996 and his new reads. I like his direction with Titus, and do find him having a genuine tone here.
Chara: I like Chara's early game, but Chara did push Varsoon and unvote without a conclusion and doing nothing with the vote early on, which is why Chara is a lower town read.

Joda I have as null, and Gamma I have as null right now. I liked a few of his posts, so I'm going to re-read him later. I'll also put Math as null for now, and sort they later when I talk to them and Chara some more.

Pidgey: Scum for preferring to deadline lynch as an excuse to mislynch or lynch outside of his scum team. I think he's more likely Orange scum then red scum. The wording 'I dont give a crap anymore to be honest' is what pings me. He's saying that to justify his deadline lynching.
Kiana: Red scum who gets prodded, states who she wants to lynch, asks a question, and doesn't even care enough to interact back or post more or effort.

[Ranmaru]

By the way, I want people to specify which color scum they think I am and why. I think I'm caught up and these are my feels at the moment. I'm tired and going to sleep. If I asked you questions, please answer them. Night.

[Ranmaru]

1. I said that because it feels like you have a strong tr when you seem to react so harshly to my explanation on titus. I don't get why that would matter as I townread you. Anyway, can you explain your tead before during and after the flop, thank you. 2. I ask that because I think you won't listen to me since you believe I am scum so asking you that to see if you might reconsider upon my flip and I did ask you who else is scum dude.

[Ranmaru]

Also please specify which color scum you think I am and why.

[Ranmaru]

Hello gamma. What do you think of my recent play, and what is your read on Chara? (and reasoning)

[Ranmaru]

I commented on quite a few people in my #4443. I think this will be the best I have until more time passes. I don't get scumvibes from other lynch candidates like marshy or klazam so not going that way. I am content with Kiana or me right now. What did you think of my #4443? Anything you agree or disagree on?

[Ranmaru]

Alright, will look into Joda and update next chance I get.

[Ranmaru]

Welcome LG.

[Ranmaru]

Interested in seeing your reads then. It has been a while. Marshy is here too!

[Ranmaru]

unvote

[Ranmaru]

Joey, why not wait for his reads at least.

[Ranmaru]

I am not misrepping. His response to you was fair.

[Ranmaru]

Joey can you respond to my #4449.

[Ranmaru]

Joey, specify which color scum you think I am, and why. Then explain your Titus read reasoning in full.

[Ranmaru]

LaserGuy: Pidgey. Pine had a problem with Pidgey using deadline as an excuse for him voting Kiana. I had him as town for town earlier in the game, but as I was catching up from my replace, I noted a similar behavior from him, voting Action Dan, saying 'Deadline in 2 days' when he put him at 5 votes. His 'honestly don't give a crap anymore to be honest' is what pinged me, he's trying to use that to justify him being ok with whatever lynch. I'll get you the quotes.

[Ranmaru]

Vote: Kiana Kaslana

2 days to deadline

vote action dan

Still think you are scummy

We have 2 days to deadline. Rather lynch than no lynch.

I dont give a crap anymore to be honest

.

[Ranmaru]

Joey: I'm not claiming. Going into reasoning why defeats the purpose of me not claiming. You have my content, use that to read me.

[Ranmaru]

By the way, thank you for responding to me. Can you go into reasoning why you cannot determine a specific color for me? (Thanks for the Titus reasoning)

[Ranmaru]

Laserguy: Can you talk to me about Klazam? Why do you feel he should have been lynched D2? Do you have any thoughts on Chara and Pidgey?

[Ranmaru]

Joey: Yes, thank you. Now, if I was mislynched and you saw my green flip, who would be orange to you, and who would be red, and why? In the position I am now, I want to at least talk with you about reads before I die.

[Ranmaru]

Do you never re-evaluate?

[Ranmaru]

Alright. I'm waiting on Laser to respond and give a little bit more analysis. I have nothing else to say at the moment. I'll look into JODA and try to develop my read on her further.

[Ranmaru]

I will factor that in as well, as I too, had been fooled by Joda in that game.

[Ranmaru]

Joda feels town here, and knowing she has the capacity to be town read as scum, I'm keeping in mind. The only concern I have with her is her believing Kiana, which I'd like a little more detail as of why. Otherwise, questioning Gamma and tracking him, feels townie. I think it's about time she does a catch up, whatever she can at this point as deadline is looming. Her 2250 makes sense too.

[Ranmaru]

I'm not interested in voting Klazam. I don't get the feeling he is the last red. Joey, why do you vote my way, or Klazam's, but never voted Kiana?

[Ranmaru]

I still believe Laser's slot is scum, and don't think he has the room to really give a different person as a possibility for red scum. I work tomorrow, so I'm also going to vote in my next post.

[Ranmaru]

Vote: LaserGuy

This is L-1.

[Ranmaru]

Oh, I thought you were on Laser already. It's L-1 now.

[Ranmaru]

Laser, I have no further questions. I just wanted your reads. I'm going to sleep now, good night.

[Ranmaru]

I am VT. Did not claim to wifom scum. Fine with claiming today so people can have the full picture. I am going to re-read, I think this will be harder then we think at the moment. I suggest everyone start with the creature lynch, and varsoon interactions.

[Ranmaru]

Generally if you are vt, and are pushed to claim, it is better you don't claim in hopes that scum may think you are a PR. Yosarian has convinced me of that.

[Ranmaru]

Anyway, I am going to sleep now. I will re-read later.

[Ranmaru]

HEAL: Brass

Marshy, I want to see you actually catch up. You said you didn't read, I want to see your reactions to the pages you missed. I'm down with Joey being runner up.

[Ranmaru]

Hey Gamma. Who do you scumread right now? What are your reads on Marshy and Chara? (With reasoning please)

[Ranmaru]

Alright, what's your read on me right now. Why do you scumread Klaz again?

[Ranmaru]

Sorry, I meant to direct that at Marshy, but thank you for the response.

[Ranmaru]

Alright, one more thing. Talk to me about Chara.

[Ranmaru]

Thank you. Also, yeah I'll hit you up. Splatoon 2 is just as fun as melee if not more.

[Ranmaru]

Chara, and Joey, I want to talk to you guys when you are around.

[Ranmaru]

You make a good point. I was thinking Marshy might be red, I didn't consider Orange. I'm mainly focusing on reads here, not as much the mechanics. Not too sure if he's orange though.

[Ranmaru]

Brass, I would appreciate if you put a bit more effort into the game as Conf Town.

[Ranmaru]

Well, the IC isn't doing much. I think scum are already in a good position, therefore are shooting in a way that doesn't give additional information to town. Also, they chose to shoot A50 over unclaimed players (Myself, Klazam, Chara), so this means it wasn't a PR hunt.

[Ranmaru]

Joda, talk to me more about OTM. Why do you want them? In fact, can you give me a full reads list? Thanks.

[Ranmaru]

Chara. What is your read on me and Marshy? Pidgey?