Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[RadiantCowbells]

if I had one guess as to full scumteam aorn it's

keychain/luna/theta/{math/tgp}

although I don't actually scumread keychain so that's probably wrong but meh it fits associative wise the best

[RadiantCowbells]

mostly just the fact that luna and theta went in on the HWS wagon with less support instead of them

[RadiantCowbells]

there's a fairly large null pool that could swing either way though so I have little enthusiasm about any picks that are neither theta or luna

[RadiantCowbells]

afaik no one besides Creature is scumreading me and Luna 180ed on that when they got wagoned.

[RadiantCowbells]

not entirely sure what you're asking in 1499

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

why?

[RadiantCowbells]

because scum are trying to shove a HWS counterwagon through: why are you voting there? what are your reads on the other 2?

[RadiantCowbells]

have you read anything that I've posted?

[RadiantCowbells]

Thanks <3

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Luna Nova

[RadiantCowbells]

a scum infiltrated hood isn't +equity at all

[RadiantCowbells]

Computers are pretty overpowered. Elli was nothing special in his first run on site.

[RadiantCowbells]

the only reason I'm not lynching mathblade today is I don't at all believe that scum have two neighbourizers. think she's just bad town this game off of that alone.

[RadiantCowbells]

i've actually considered that the CC was fake and that they're buddies but we'll go down that road if mathblade can't prove his role

[RadiantCowbells]

also if it flips scum and no one ends up claiming neighbourized

[RadiantCowbells]

which posts?

[RadiantCowbells]

Ank is boring me this game

[RadiantCowbells]

Not scum

Going to go on leave until later in the game, not worth beong scumread for being wrong on low priority targets

[RadiantCowbells]

That's my job but not today.

[RadiantCowbells]

Who are your scumreads?

[RadiantCowbells]

Also vecna walk me through why you asked if in scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Key how has your day been?

[RadiantCowbells]

NSG talk to me about your Fumuki read?

[RadiantCowbells]

did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm going to force myself to care about this game in two days be ready

[RadiantCowbells]

for the record there's literally always at least one scum in the starting hood

[RadiantCowbells]

it's little to do with the fact that a hood exists and everything to do with the fact that there's a PT cop

[RadiantCowbells]

With absolutely no personal hostility towards him Mathblades reads are many stdevs below Rand and he pushes them like the gospel. Most of what buoys up Mathblades scum play is that he's so consistently effective at winning scum the game as town that it's hard to read Mathblade based on that as town

RC town always
Creature still probably town
Keychain I think is town but I'm not 100% aorn,
Hebi still town, I believe her on HWS caveat scum have a traitor 100% based on setup spec. Still never need to Lynch him but if he consistently pushes lynches off scum take that possibility seriously
CheekyTeeky should be town but again I haven't seen anything that makes me 100% sure.
Yuurei exit from thread I think is town all of the time

thought NSG replacing out was a scumclaim but I kinda like projectmatt entrance so I'm giving that slot breathing room. We'll see

Vecns I also think is town most of the time for both his approach to the early game and his general expectation of being town read

So the leftover from there is

[RadiantCowbells]

Theta math aronis Ankamius Aa9 and Nosferatu

[RadiantCowbells]

Most of my keychain tr is just her trying to interact with me which I guess isn't really that indicative but I also think I should explicitly scumread her by now if she's scum

Creature should be obvious

Cheeky I don't know how she would have reacted as scum to the way I poked her but I'm pretty sure this isn't it

Yuurei felt really solving on the exit, like the polar opposite of a game where mathdino kept posting when he replaced out as a Hydra and it just felt towncred grabby, he felt really genuine

I think we out the Mathblade hood and lynch based on it because I'm near 100% that town

Should also massclaim hood / no hood just in case there's another neighbourhood in play

Someone was asking if personal pts counted and I'm pretty sure that reaction is scum, I think it was Nosferatu so that's also a good starting ground

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm near 100% that at least one scum started in a hood, mastina thinks in terms of unintended consequences and if the hood always vigged and the neighbourizer was lynched D1 the pt cop becomes a full cop and I also think it's extraordinarily unlikely that there's a town neighbourizer, town vig, then s hood with only town that can neighbourize and vig. Maybe if the other kill ends up being a serial killer but I'd expect knife flavour.

Phone posting sucks

How are you doing key?

[RadiantCowbells]

Nos is probably town

Nos is definitely town. I'd bet the game on both here and Mathblade being town at this point.

In fact, I also TR Vecna, northsidegal, Yuurei, RadiantCowbells &, Creature (to various degrees and not necessarily in that order)

The joke is I town lean on many, including all 3 lynch suspects, but I have nothing but guts to back that up, and they're not doing themselves any favours, so... *Shrug*

This was A50s major reads post

That said I got hard PR vibes from A50 so I would assume that's why they were killed.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am assuming that Ankamius is a member of the MB hood rather than a mason

[RadiantCowbells]

What do you mean not enough to balance out scum

We have no idea what scum have

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't particularly care about your setup spec regardless of your alignment.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Mathblade

That's the end of my patience for you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Been ~fairly sure math was scum for the last two days but I think there's only one scum in her hood so I wanted more info but I'm fine just lynching here.

[RadiantCowbells]

His hood. My bad.

Stand by my scumread there and I scumread that reaction even more so let's do this thing!

[RadiantCowbells]

Cheeky vecna sheep me

[RadiantCowbells]

have you considered the possibility that the personal pt question was made on purpose

As a public deterrent to being investigated, yeah.

Also I clearly stated that I misremembered Nosferatu making the post so math if he was actually trying to figure out my thought process would understand the error: this is math looking for an inconsistency to jump on me for.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not that math saying stupid shit is specifically a scumtell

But math cc'ing the neighbourizer and then backing off of it strikes me as more self aware than Mathblade usually is as town

And this sudden deathtunnel from them is a hard scumclaim.

[RadiantCowbells]

And just if math was Titus I'd be 100% sure he's scum for tonal reasons and that tell usually applies well across siblings.

[RadiantCowbells]

everyone else should also sheep me

@Keychain hi talk to me

[RadiantCowbells]

What if I'm right and you're wrong?

[RadiantCowbells]

Do I think it's literally impossible that math is town? Yeah sure I am not perfect I don't have a computer to tell me who to lynch

But to date I have never misread Mathblade on tone/phrasing/how he conducts herself and I am fairly sure that he is scum here. And if your rationale is that 1/2 of us are scum, I'm town.

Key there's a difference between being willing to talk to me and actively seeking out engagement with me particularly in a game where I was checked out and for whatever reason it got to the point where you wanted to replace out.

[RadiantCowbells]

Math does well against people who aren't me in general: I put basically no stock in Ankamius and others' townreads there and you shouldnt either. I sat there reading new civ mafia with a 100% scumread on heis slot and didn't replace in despite wanting to because I thought it wouldn't be fair to him to just replace in and claim a guilty. Somehow despite bleeding scum all over the thread people had a low enough opinion of his town game to bring him until like really late in the game. I'll be Shaziro this game this is the only place my vote goes today, etc.

I have not misread math before and I don't read him off of him doing stupid things which is NAI: I read him off of the way that he conducts himself and talks to people and they squarely put the slot as scum this game. I am also certain that the people townreading him are going off of stuff that I consider too trivial and nai to even bother bringing into my read.

I don't like the culture of me having to declare a 1v1 to get my reads taken seriously but this needs to be today's Lynch and I'll ramp it up hard from here if I have to.

[RadiantCowbells]

+town but not like surprised if he flips scum

Just vote math

[RadiantCowbells]

Math -> aronis interactions feel like scum TMI townread

Could maybe be scum hard defending if they wanted to buddy up and endgame but meh. Also don't think aronis play around me is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I messed up for justifiable reasons and it's hard for me to course correct versus a slot that refuses to play the game after I push on them.

I am far more confident in Math than I ever was on Luna.

[RadiantCowbells]

Luna I mostly pushed through because Katsuki has a known meta of lurking as scum and the whole Hydra started lurking. I was never, like, that certain that they were scum but they were doing nothing useful and they almost certainly endgame as scum if I repent. Math is a different ballgame

I am going to die very shortly with protective flipped, I'd like to get a scum flip while I'm alive so you have something to go off of when you inevitably throw the game after my demise.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've eaten bullsts before claimed cops and had it cost town the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've been objectively towny yet people are still paranoia scumreading me for absolutely no reason.

Why doesnt math get the same respect with her success rate stomping weak lobbies?

Like every game math is scum a few people who are good at the game point out he's obvscum and there's a chorus of people saying no he's obvtown because he plays to a nai meta and refuse to consider any actually AI info: why don't I get to just play like shit and be townread for it when I'm scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh oops math was obvscum but I townread them for doing something really easy to do as scum deary me

The real problem with MS is that people see their own reads as absolutes instead of trying to consider how accurate their reads are on diff ppl.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ftr cheeky is one of literally 4 people in history whose read on me is above random, the others being Postie, firebringer, and a banned user.

Her townreading me should matter a lot more to you than whatever your read on me is.

[RadiantCowbells]

If she's scum pocketing me by bussing math then let her.

Lynching people that I don't want to see lynched doesn't help you get a read on me: lynching the people that I'm saying are scum does.

[RadiantCowbells]

I was never 100% on Luna flipping scum and I tried to lynch my associative read first because I wasn't entirely sure. It's hard to read someone who completely checks out of the game under pressure.

It's pretty unfair to decide that I'm scum and to ignore my reads because my first push went wrong: you wouldn't remove anyone elses reads in this game from consideration because they were wrong once.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi Nico how are you doing. Can you please post in this game?

[RadiantCowbells]

Everyone in this game realizes that theta flipping scum does not make Mathblade (or anyone else on the wagon for that matter) town?

[RadiantCowbells]

It's because I'm cute

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm done for today.

Not worth discrediting myself defending theta when I'm not sure she's town.

[RadiantCowbells]

TMI townread on aronis + blatantly attempting to pocket him

[RadiantCowbells]

i could call the entire scumteam here and it doesn't matter if no one is listening to me.

math is scum, that's good enough for me.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't believe you're town for a minute

but you yourself insist that I can't catch you as scum so idk why you should be expecting me to read you accurately

I think I can read you accurately and that this town is just bad but town being bad is a commonality in most of my games so :shrug:

[RadiantCowbells]

if I give a bunch of scumreads it's easy for scum to say that I was killed for one of the non-math scumreads. the only reason scum kills me right now is to protect mathblade.

[RadiantCowbells]

and helping town catch any of the other scumreads does nothing if mathblade is still going to endgame

town don't listen to dead worth shit so I could solve this game right now tie the entire scumteam together and town could lynch every scum besides math and they still wouldn't listen to methere.

[RadiantCowbells]

I just want the day phase over at this point.

[RadiantCowbells]

because people are shit at playing town?

[RadiantCowbells]

because most of MS's "good" town players have as their only feature being so bad at scum that they never get mislynched. see: one person currently in this game, one person who replaced out.

and on the flipside several of MS's "good" scum players are the Boonskiies and the Mathblades who have as their only feature they're so anti-town and awful as town that no one can tell the difference.
Or are LLD and substitute toxicity for being able to come across as towny, but at this point I find myself sympathizing with her more than hating her for it so.

like sorry I misphrased that: town isn't just bad in my games, towns are just bad in general. every solution has been attempted with regards to trying to deal with my scum game except actually trying to read me.

can someone l-1 theta so we can move on?

[RadiantCowbells]

in this game we have lynched 0 scum.

idc how much information mathblade lynch gives if it happens.

[RadiantCowbells]

Everyone in this game realizes that theta flipping scum does not make Mathblade (or anyone else on the wagon for that matter) town?

I do not understand how anyone townreads you.

...RC wow...

Just wow. Why are you limiting yourself to what others say? Where is your “no holds barred” attitude?

these two posts were the crossover between fairly sure math was scum and 100% certain of it.

[RadiantCowbells]

math shares several tics with his sister does that are the reason that I can snap read Titus after 1-2 posts.

paragraph structure, how they post, the way they talk about reads, etc. are extremely similar and the tell has carried over 100% of the time in the past.

that's before the way that he was indirectly pushing on me, or the fact that the way he's pushing on theta and myself simultaneously when by play he should be voting me is EXACTLY something I tried to coach her out of in mod is mafia when we were scumpartners. talking mathblade specifically the way he's posturing at me rather than trying to push/sort me is heavily scum indicative, pops up a lot in several scum games but not as town.

like this shouldn't be a discussion, it baffled me in team mafia when I said titus was town and fucking idiots were still pushing on her. my capacity to read either sibling is light years ahead of anyone else in this game

this game is the equivalent of a carbon monoxide detector going off and a bunch of people walking into the room where it's going off and saying 'oh I don't smell any carbon monoxide, everything is fine'

[RadiantCowbells]

Because they don't necessarily show up as often as they do with Titus

Even with Titus I need to prod her to get what in looking for sometimes

And I did at some point mention that I was scumreading him D1

[RadiantCowbells]

Pls no hurt!

[RadiantCowbells]

Wrt 2153 those positions aren't inconsistent. I don't think cheeky finds me easy to read but at the same time her read on me when she's invested in one is one of very few people who are more likely to be right than not.

[RadiantCowbells]

1393 should be read as me explicitly townreading her as well.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, because you have something that I want.

See you tonight

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like the most likely explanation got the gamestate is that Math and co are hardbussing a useless buddy to rack up the town points to keep her alive through my tunnel.

I want to look at the list on theta because it's probably disproportionately high scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Vecna/MB actually makes a lot of sense, vecna paid lip service to being for a Mathblade Lynch but dipped and said he couldn't tell the difference as soon as it became an actual thing. MB trying to tie me there as well.

Nos I think is town
Hebi is town

Mb scum

Pjm maybe scum
Nicorobin don't think so

[RadiantCowbells]

If theta is town scum are probably over represent in no voters and vanity wagon s

[RadiantCowbells]

Flavor?

Flavor will be placed here if mastina has the capacity to give it. No promises!

Votecount 2-9 (49) Simple

Theta Alpine - 6 (NicoRobin, MathBlade, projectmatt, hebichan, Nosferatu, Vecna)

MathBlade - 2 (RadiantCowbells, CheekyTeeky)

Aronis - 1 (, Keychain)
NicoRobin - 1 (Aronis)
Keychain - 1 (ArcAngel9)

Not Voting - 4 (HeWhoSwims, Creature, Ankamius, Theta Alpine)

Mod Notes

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• MathBlade is V/LA until Wednesday, June 20th.
  
• Keychain is V/LA until Saturday, June 23rd.
  
• Aronis has been prodded. He has this long to post: (expired on 2018-06-21 21:19:06).
  
• mastina will generate a more advanced votecount if she has the capacity to give it. No promises!

Want thsi on page

This is the sole good use of vca btw

[RadiantCowbells]

RC is town.

This started before I could complete my pre-game agenda. I feel numb inside but as I read this

a wagon seems like an efficient method of transportation

I feel as though gravity has alleviated its grip a bit. I hope we're dealing with the three-pronged trouser god, btw

My name is kuribo, and I'm a certified G, and a bonafied stud. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is T-Bone. And he's seven foot tall. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is Untrod Tripod. And he's hot as hell. And you can't Teach. That.
Badaboom, Realest hydra in the room! HOW YOU DOIN'?
If we had two dimes for every time someone mislynched us, we'd have ZERO DIMES.
There's just one word to describe anyone that tries to wagon us, and we're gonna... Spell it out for ya:
S
A
W
F
T
SAAAAAAAAAWFT
Concept

I'll catch up soon.

***Erase erase erase ***

Pretty sure anyone voting Definition is gonna learn the definition of smack down.

***Erase erase erase ***

I suggest we all do pressure this slot (Definition) to either post or replace out. Ankamius is at the top of the replacements queue, and I believe there are enough players who can read her in this game.

P-edit: Mathblade? Help with Definition?

No. I have reasons. Not sure how much I can say. But look at my response to their post. Not interested in their lynch today.

ugh
UNVOTE:

i do think it is nai for radiant to do a fakeclaim like that
but it does make me doubt that luna is scum

as for who else might be scum i have no clue
although since definition is a hydra who somehow has not posted in a while even with

heads then i think that might actually be a good place to put my vote
VOTE: definition

Bad vote.

Because I said so. Look at my response.

And this is why I was suspicious of Mathblade in connection. He clearly saw the soft as well. Yet the way how he keeps putting attention on it.......does not feel like a town trying to protect another town PR whatsoever.

Ive asked Ankamius repeatedly how she felt about Mathblade being to obvious repeatedly, but she didnt seem to mind/respond to it at all.

So hey, tell me if im being crazy. I do not think its a stretch at all that Mathblade and definition were cooking up a scum fakeclaim here. Maybe its mathblade as scum doing something. Maybe im seeing ghosts and theyre both town.

It all feels suspicious as hell to me though.

Especially the way Mathblade was threading around the Luna claim. Felt to me like he realized the fakeclaim they were going for had to change. Having a masonizer and a town Neighbouriser in one game could be seen as weird.

Now I -might- be wrong here. Im not 100% convinced this is what happened, and that it is scum. But it should explain to people why ive been saying the things ive been saying, and had the reads ive had.

so please, use some logic. If im scum here, I wouldve known which of these were town pr's, I wouldve shut up about it, and just eliminated all of them one by one.

So let me get this straight.

You’re assuming as scum i would go

“Hey look!!! This is a town PR!! And proceed not to kill it?!?!?!”

I then counterclaim someone I believed I was scum claiming and no I must be scum lying about having a hood despite the fact I have made it abundantly clear I crumbed since post one and Luna’s claim was absolutely bullshit. So yes I will have my “scum buddies” *cough* neighbors *cough* vouch for me.

Like if you are town you are so far up the OMG Math sucks train simply because I am here. I haven’t driven a damn thing or tried to push or control AT ALL. The only thing I did was CC Luna and then Keychain brought up a valid point.

Guys come on

[RadiantCowbells]

Key is probably scum as well btw

I think the retraction was planned from the outset

[RadiantCowbells]

I was going to read for what the scumteam was if I was wrong on math but the gamestate doesn't make sense for it and math iso is even worse than I remember it being

Math or feed.

[RadiantCowbells]

I declare lordship over these lands

By royal edict Mathblade is to have his head removed by this time next tomorrow

[RadiantCowbells]

Townreading Mathblade here says something about the quality of several people's town play in this lobby

Even without my single player mafia tells their iso is awful

Did I mention MB Vecna interactions feel really overblown and Vecna suddenly starts doubting the wagon as soon as it's a thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

A lot of what I was townreading Vecna on was predicated on their play not making sense with how they interacted with MB and I but with them potentially SvS and Vecna interacting how he did with me as a foil to how he interacted with Mathblade...

MB has also repeatedly sought non Vecna wagons despite scumreading them and it's a consistent error that Mathblade makes as scum

[RadiantCowbells]

After further consideration: theta flips town, scum are not bussing this game. If theta was scum more scum would be voting there.

[RadiantCowbells]

I had to edit the vote out of that post. Not sure I'm ready to leave this wagon just yet - not sure what to make of Math townreading both wagons and neglecting to offer anything up.

??? We in the same game ???

I think Theta Alpine and Keychain are scum.

Also since people really dont seem to understand my proces here - I dont have an actual read on AA9, im still just in the process of shaking the tree.

Im feeling very confident theres some scum posturing around the interactions of that slot though.

This statement is pretty empty. The slot is being talked about so that necessitates scum talk about it. No clue what you mean here.

Vecna is in my would lynch today like but I really want Theta. Like something is just off with her.

I'll sheep math for now
VOTE: theta

Ewwwww sheeping :/

Actually after that tgp vote I could see Vecna NSG.

Just simply because I scumread you? Wtf.

This seems really odd that a majority of my scumreads want to replace out because I scumread them.

And you don’t scumread me?

If you need to, and you’re town take a breather. Seriously.

Replacing out when activity is at its lowest or a policy lynch is bad.

The only way town wins is if we come together.

Instead of bailing if you’re town let’s do that.

Scumpost after scumpost + Mathblade tying oodles of people to vecna scum while making excuses not to vote them.

[RadiantCowbells]

That narrows my lynch pool to [Vecna, Cheeky, Theta, Mathblade, Aronis, Keychain] and a bit of nsg but projectmatt has been okay so far.

What about this pool RC

Who would you lynch or not lynch? Extended thoughts? Also convince me on Cheekytown I guess since you seem suspicious of all of these except Cheeky.

pedit: that seems to WIFOMy to exclude Theta from lynch completely. Plus the wagon needs 2 more votes anyway.

[RadiantCowbells]

Uh my response vanished

Math
Vecna
Keychain

In that order

Cheeky is lynchbait to people who don't know her. Her play is way different from what I've ever seen from her as scum and her votes have been good so yeah townread.

[RadiantCowbells]

But I think town loses if I ever deviate from pushing math, so I'm not voting elsewhere

[RadiantCowbells]

You either trust my abilities or you don't.

Trying to explain why those are scummy will do nothing for you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Vecna has me as town the whole fucking game

Then the -moment- I jump onto Mathblade all of a sudden he's unsure and thinks RC Aronis (which makes no sense) is a contender because he has a paranoia scumread on me and this is like pages after he said my wall had erased any doubts he had on me. Now he's calling math and me both town and pushing elsewhere.

[RadiantCowbells]

You should have stuck with the bus.

[RadiantCowbells]

Then go through with it Mr. Paragon nominee

[RadiantCowbells]

You're supposed to be really good as town
So I'm assuming you wouldn't be trying to derail Mathblade if he was scum unless you too are scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dread it, run from it, destiny still arrives.

Bye math

[RadiantCowbells]

Also aronis why the fuck aren't you posting

Nico if you're going to do nothing then sheep me

[RadiantCowbells]

Now slightly less certain of theta town but math is still only Lynch today

[RadiantCowbells]

Je peux faire quoi je veux.

[RadiantCowbells]

If Mathblade flips town obviously I reevaluate from there.

But if he's scum and you either don't vote or wait until it's inevitable you die tomorrow

I expect better of town you

[RadiantCowbells]

I tracked Mathblade to the kill yesterday

Officially a 1v1 now so stop shit voting elsewhere

[RadiantCowbells]

Because people are going to cast doubt on the vlaim, anyone is free to cc me here and if I'm not the role I claim to be you can lynch me: at worst I trade 1 for 2 with scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

idk when scum started hiding behind personal reasons to refuse to vote their buddies so often

when I did it in open 675 I thought it was the first time someone ever did it that openly but in the time since then it's become so commonplace

[RadiantCowbells]

there is so, so much that I don't do as scum because I want to have an easier time when I'm town

[RadiantCowbells]

like right now when I roll scum my actual effort is like 3/10 and my actual caring level is well below 1/10. the idea that I intentionally sabotage my town play to bolster my scum play is the refuge of shitty players who find my success at this game personally offensive.

[RadiantCowbells]

{pjm, vecna, theta, creature, ankamius, aa9, keychain}

[RadiantCowbells]

hws also has fairly decent traitor equity but it's not worth lynching him so much as at some point treat him like he's scum and ignore his reads if he keeps defending scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

first guess at a scumteam is either

{MathBlade
Vecna
Keychain
PJM
+HWS traitor}

or

{Mathblade
Theta
AA9
Creature
still probably +hws traitor}

[RadiantCowbells]

neither of those are particularly enticing to me so I think my rationale for splitting the teams was wrong
the first non-math scumflip is incredibly revealing as to what approach scum took towards me in this game
fairly sure the scum as a collective either kept me as a lynch option or actively went towards pocketing me
keychain fits in either team

PJM probably isn't scum with like, creature
actually going along the lines of people who pushed mathblade without following up

Mathblade, vecna, creature, HWS is a decent gamesolve with HWS as traitor. especially if HWS is a hood member

[RadiantCowbells]

there's a lot of people who were actually hard townreading mathblade and that does't really make sense to me

kind of leaning that scum is in the pool of people who townread math out of nowhere

[RadiantCowbells]

math/keychain/aa9/creature maybe

[RadiantCowbells]

if I die instead of the PT cop or vig I've done my job for town, I can solve the game here and it doesn't mean it's going to be listened to

if I'm alive to tomorrow I'll figure out the rest of the gaem.

[RadiantCowbells]

i really want to just kneejerk say AA9 is scum for the hard mathblade townread and the cheeky push rn but honestly I feel like they wouldn't be this awful if they were scum

[RadiantCowbells]

i think it's decently likely that there are 0 scum voting mathblade rn, making theta town
if math is the sole scum representative in the vig hood then their survival is of massive importance to the scumteam, scum would go way way out of their way to prevent that slot from going down

i didn't think creature would push on me like he did as scum but who knows
vecna -should- be scum

[RadiantCowbells]

scum just won't bus huh.

[RadiantCowbells]

i reserve the right to be as toxic as the MS ruleset allows me to be if this game continues for another 24 hours.

this is disgusting.

[RadiantCowbells]

the guilty's real: I couldn't get as much information on other slots if I was open about it so I approached it how I did.
that said you're still talking about someone with a record of successfully claiming guilties on scum, so 'oh the guilty is fake' when I'm taking it this seriously shouldn't even be in question.

[RadiantCowbells]

the guilty claim yesterday was just a meme and reaction test. this is neither.

also keychain is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Key is probably scum as well btw

I think the retraction was planned from the outset

this referred not to the replace out but you coercing mathblade to take back the counterclaim.
i've considered replacing out but I'm probably at the point where I'd rather wait for other ongoings to end and take more decisive action.

[RadiantCowbells]

the good news is that this is probably the game that makes me never want to play mafia again.

[RadiantCowbells]

final thing I want to say, I went back to my role pm because I was seriously considering posting it and my role isn't tracker, it's human detective.

[RadiantCowbells]

(functionality is exactly as I've described but the name is different.)

[RadiantCowbells]

math just don't talk to me.

[RadiantCowbells]

what's the actual name of the role given?

Spoiler: Theta regarding Luna

hey look the game actually started

i could get behind a lynch on luna
VOTE: luna nova

someone please explain the hebichan wagon

completely unexplained vote on Luna, where her vote stays literally the entire day until she decides to unvote when

ugh
UNVOTE:

i do think it is nai for radiant to do a fakeclaim like that
but it does make me doubt that luna is scum

as for who else might be scum i have no clue
although since definition is a hydra who somehow has not posted in a while even with

heads then i think that might actually be a good place to put my vote
VOTE: definition

random 'oh I suddently doubt that luna is scum because... RC fakeclaimed a guilty on her'

alright i think i might actually be able to read you so UNVOTE:

i do not agree with some of the reasoning for luna being scum
the imo thing for one is explained by the fact that luna is a hydra
as in that heads opinion

this explanation also makes literally no sense: it's not one head's opinion whether they're scum or not,

you know i just realized definition has been in one other game and it was a newbie

so
yeah not a hydra

and for actual content
the wagons on both tgp and luna are rather odd in how they developed

though the fact that there was a fake guilty on luna does explain part of that
also i think creature is literally just voting the counterwagon because it is the counterwagon

it is somewhat odd that even with 2 weeks left in the game we are kind of at the 2-wagon stage
i am a little worried that town just kind of failed to get any cohesion or agreement on anything and the fake guilty in the middle of that probably will not be something we could easily recover from

so
honestly we might as well end the day so at least we will have some sort of semblance of what is going on tomorrow
i do want to give ank a few days to read the game though
so i will give

intent to hammer

p-edit
well nevermind that then

gives intent on someone that they're not scumreading because 'oh we will deal with things tomorrow'
also the fuck did the fake guilty do that was anti town besides give reactions, I didn't like swing it through, feel like it's scum salty that their partner got caught for a 'bad reason'

with 18 people alive it was 9 to lynch
yuurei was the hammering vote

oh right, now that i thought about it, this could be some hammer gambit. sorry for ruining Theta.

however, do people fall for that trick though?

on evens its more likely to work since people confuse half to lynch and majority to lynch
ah well

luna is at l-1
do not hammer without giving intent and letting luna claim

and this feels like they knew that Luna had something to claim.

for their part Luna only brings up the theta slot once

Looking at the Golden Iso I don't see anything that points to them being scum. The anger feels genuine and the few votes they do have in the game I agree with. I think both of the top wagons are on town. If we're looking for a low poster lynch, why not Thea who is not doing anything the help the game state? The only vote they have in the game is on us (and I admit that is why I iso'd them) for the simple reason of us being an anon hydra; the rest of the posts are filler.

I'd like the gold voters to say why they would vote gold and not thea.

~Diana

Absolutely empty townread of golden + a random suggestion that they follow up on Theta whom they neither vote nor ever follow up on

tl;dr
Theta randomly votes Luna with no explanation, keeps the vote there until a wagon appears justifying the vote switch because my fake guilty makes them town, and then intents to hammer someone that they're supposedly townread with the explanation that town is just doing so bad because of the fake guilty

Luna only brings them up once in the game to say hey you should be pushing Theta over TGP but never actually follows up on it

We're lynching Luna, if they flip scum we are lynching Theta tomorrow 100% of the time.

Finally, I don't think that a role called town neighbourizer exists in this setup for whatever reason.

relevant.

[RadiantCowbells]

After I flip you lynch Mathblade tomorrow.

VOTE: RC

Bye

[RadiantCowbells]

Nah fuck that what am I doing

VOTE: mb

Too annoyed rn.

[RadiantCowbells]

I deserve better than whoever is town here for teammates. I really wish there was enough of a mafia community to have some sort of matchmaking so I wouldn't have to play with the people in this game.

As is my free time is better spent elsewhere.

I'd replace out but I don't think y'all deserve it and I'd post my role PM but I don't think mastina deserves that

But I'm not treating anyone in this game or the game itself with respect that it doesn't deserve

[RadiantCowbells]

Which is another way of saying deuces.

[RadiantCowbells]

Mafia, outside of drunk vengefuls, is a shit game that punishes you for trying to excel at it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like philosophically it's a fucking awful game

Nightless should be the only mafia that exists.

[RadiantCowbells]

Killing off the best town player just penalizes people for trying to solo carry bad towns and makes late game come down to the lowest common denominator among townies versus the best scum players. No wonder games are scumsided, it's just how the game is structured. The competence of the worst players in mafia games, unless you have ellicomputer and even then he lost the Ali game, matters so much more than that of the best. This wouldn't be true if worse mafia players implicitly acknowledged that maybe their reads aren't the gospel but that's not how we teach people to think and dunning Kruger leaves people like math (talking mostly about town) thinking they're hot shit while throwing everything game they come into contact with and bragging on discord about being better scum than me when their claim to fame is a game they got fucking vigged in.

If I had put the time and energy I spent getting to this point on something else I wonder where I'd be.

[RadiantCowbells]

I do evolve, and I do so more than anyone else probably

The game has gotten to the point of people advocating policy lynches on me from D1 and D2. And I still win as scum when I want to but how awful the experiences are makes me not want to.

The real meta of how to sort me is to make me hate the game so much that I stop trying then Lynch me regardless and hope that I actually was scum or blame me for not jumping through your hoops when I'm town.

Sure this game was awful significantly because key and NSG both got scum slots but their support wouldn't make or break how shitty of a lobby this is.

[RadiantCowbells]

circlejerking in scum PT about how good mathblade is and searching for ways to avoid him getting lynched today
mathblade thinks they're hot shit, better than me apparently, and would have been confident (and apparently right) that if they didn't bus he wouldn't get lynched.

my initial impression is that with how many wagons there were on day one and with how lazy the luna wagon felt by the end of the day, scum probably were in a pretty good spot day one

with how dead the game has been day two, scum are probably mostly lurking, potentially with one scum trying to townlead

scum were setting up for the long game. mathblade is playing the game, keychain is gently nudging the wagon off of math without doing anything else but discrediting my reads at every possible opportunity, PJM is just lurking outright, no idea who the third is but they're probably either actively pushing the wagon off of AA9 or doing nothing. not on the wagon 100%.

[RadiantCowbells]

off of math like aa9

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm not literally 100% on nsg/pjm for the record but NSG not wanting to play scum makes the most sense for her being iffy day 1 then replacing out
keychain never treats me the way that she has done this game as town.

[RadiantCowbells]

this has been too much energy expended from me for too little result.

[RadiantCowbells]

I never claimed a guilty on luna nova in the sense you're talking

that was a poorly considered reaction test at worst.

[RadiantCowbells]

f radiant flips town tracker/equivalent role then math is probably town [and we learn that a role that can tamper with results/actions exists]

no.

assuming I get lynched, and I will flip tracker, you are lynching mathblade tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

like I realize you're dumb as shit but please keep your stupidity out of the thread. there's theories that ignorance is contagious and I'd prefer you not to infect the remainder of the game.

this is of course assuming that you're not scum, but even if you are you've hard committed to a losing strategy so no bonus points awarded to your intellect there.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay can someone tell me if this game is worth reading or if it's just this same ego fest the whole time
Because I don't want to read 100 pages just to read people try to bolster their own egos

If you can find a way to hide all RC's and Math's posts, it'll be worth reading.

if you lynch mathblade you get a scumflip and you don't have to read us fighting

[RadiantCowbells]

actually keychain had moral objections to certain manners of play so I've avoided spamming

otherwise I'd be making 10 pages a day until one of us got lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

ank if you're town it's really time to vote mathblade.

[RadiantCowbells]

Flavor

Morning finally comes, and once more the meeting commences.

"Gee, that night took forever."

"Yeah, certainly seemed to be way longer than reasonable."

"Wonder what the delay was?"

"I'd wager it was the sun."

"No, the sun shouldn't be this late unless something delayed it."

"I blame the wolves."

"YEAH! The wolves!"

"The wolves totally killed Luna Nova, too!"

"Wasn't that us?"

"No, don't you see? We couldn't possibly lynch an innocent, least of all an innocent holding such an important role; it has to have been the wolves' doing!"

"I agree!"

"Yep, and I'm pretty sure the wolves are responsible for those dead bodies, too!"

"...Wait, what?"

Bodies?

"Since when?"

"Well they were there as long as I've been awake..."

Seems the night had claimed its first victims.

Almost50

,

Human

Jailkeeper

, was

torn to shreds N1

.

His full role PM was as follows:

Almost50, Human Jailkeeper

Lynch The Wolves

Almost50

's Role PM

Almost50, Human Jailkeeper

Welcome to Lynch the Wolves,

Almost50

.

---

You are a

Human

Jailkeeper

.

• DAY POWERS:
  • You may vote and use your voice.
• ACTIVATED NIGHT POWERS:
  • Lock 'em up:
    During the night, you may target a player. Should your action succeed, any and all actions they take during that night will fail. Additionally, if your target is targeted for death during the night, you will stop this from happening.
    
  • Detain for questioning (2-shot):
    You may opt to "upgrade" your jailkeep action to detain the target beyond the end of the night phase. This has the following effects:
    • At daystart, there will be a
      Public Announcement
      : "*Target* is In Jail today. They may still post, but may not vote."
      
    • Target loses access to any PTs they would normally have access to for the duration of the day phase; they regain access at the end of the day phase. Members of any such PTs are informed, "*Target* is in Jail, and has lost access to this PT for the duration of this day phase. They will regain access to this PT once the current day phase ends."
      
    • Target loses their vote for the current day phase, but may still post.
      
    • Target is added to
      [REDACTED]
      for the duration of the day phase (and may post within). They will lose access to
      [REDACTED]
      at the end of the day phase.
    You may only use this upgrade twice in the game.
    This upgrade will fail to take effect if at the start of the day phase there are nine or fewer players left alive.
• PASSIVE POWERS:
  • Jail Warden:
    You have access to
    [REDACTED]
    , and may post within at any time.
• WIN CONDITION:
  You win if all
  Werewolves
  are dead, and at least one
  human
  member of
  the

  Town
  is left alive.

Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck, and have fun!

Game thread is here.

TheGoldenParadox

,

Human Villager

, was

shot N1

.

His full role PM was as follows:

TheGoldenParadox, Human Villager (VT)

Lynch The Wolves

TheGoldenParadox

's Role PM

TheGoldenParadox, Human Villager

Welcome to Lynch the Wolves,

TheGoldenParadox

.

---

You are a

Human Villager

.

• DAY POWERS:
  • You may vote and use your voice.
• WIN CONDITION:
  You win if all
  Werewolves
  are dead, and at least one
  human
  member of
  the

  Town
  is left alive.

Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck, and have fun!

Game thread is here.

<<< Day Two starts now.

Deadline for Day Two is Friday, July 6th, @ 1:15 am PDT: (expired on 2018-07-06 04:15:00).

With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch. >>>

this follow the wiki?

[RadiantCowbells]

hurry up and vote then pjm
same goes for ank

faster this game ends the fewer brain cells that I lose.

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm not sure if its the games themselves or the players but the large theme queue is cancer

[RadiantCowbells]

the rationale being floated is that for some reason scum!RC is magically so terrified of the player whose town game I third* least respect on this isite that I've chosen to fakeclaim a guilty, somehow talk my way out of the fact that even if I later go back and say that the guilty was faked I have never in site history sober claimed a guilty on someone to lynch them and had them fail to flip scum, so that would be in and of itself a scumclaim. it'd be a complete dead end with no real way to talk myself out of it and no real advantage, particularly given that the most likely answer is that I just get vigged. regardless of roles this is never my play as scum and I feel like that should be objectively obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot. i'm fairly certain at this point, regardless of my reads on them even, that literally everyone who is currently voting math is town and besides PJM no one whose alignment concerns me is even expressing that viewpoint. both nosferatu and yuurei are widely agreed on townreads, hebichan is locktown, and Theta is looking for every excuse to not stay on the wagon so of all the supporters of the wagon only cheeky's alignment is even in contention and of the people who can read her only keychain (who is scum) thinks her alignment is in question, including A50 hard townreading her

meanwhile all the slots where scum is agreed to be in are trying to push the lynch towards me

it's not rocket science what scum are trying to do and multiple people have *already* tried to justify not lynching mathblade after I flip tracker. if you can't figure this out you're just bad.



*first place was taken by bbmolla vigging NSG and second by Reck's NSG push in the ongoing

[RadiantCowbells]

ok well not ongoing.

the was ongoing

shh

[RadiantCowbells]

bump

[RadiantCowbells]

bump

[RadiantCowbells]

the rationale being floated is that for some reason scum!RC is magically so terrified of the player whose town game I third* least respect on this isite that I've chosen to fakeclaim a guilty, somehow talk my way out of the fact that even if I later go back and say that the guilty was faked I have never in site history sober claimed a guilty on someone to lynch them and had them fail to flip scum, so that would be in and of itself a scumclaim. it'd be a complete dead end with no real way to talk myself out of it and no real advantage, particularly given that the most likely answer is that I just get vigged. regardless of roles this is never my play as scum and I feel like that should be objectively obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot. i'm fairly certain at this point, regardless of my reads on them even, that literally everyone who is currently voting math is town and besides PJM no one whose alignment concerns me is even expressing that viewpoint. both nosferatu and yuurei are widely agreed on townreads, hebichan is locktown, and Theta is looking for every excuse to not stay on the wagon so of all the supporters of the wagon only cheeky's alignment is even in contention and of the people who can read her only keychain (who is scum) thinks her alignment is in question, including A50 hard townreading her

meanwhile all the slots where scum is agreed to be in are trying to push the lynch towards me

it's not rocket science what scum are trying to do and multiple people have *already* tried to justify not lynching mathblade after I flip tracker. if you can't figure this out you're just bad.



*first place was taken by bbmolla vigging NSG and second by Reck's NSG push in the ongoing

[RadiantCowbells]

then vote with me, HWS.

frankly nothing I've done has been scummy and if you think otherwise you're bad at the game, simple as that.

[RadiantCowbells]

what was scummy about my fakeclaim yesterday given that it was purely a reaction test

what specifically is your beef with me wrt cheeky?

[RadiantCowbells]

if he's scum and he wants to bus then let him

[RadiantCowbells]

frankly I wouldn't put it past scum to be making him play scummy intentionally to try to spew both of us town and then just nightkill me and have my push on math forgotten.

[RadiantCowbells]

Maybe the nightkill overrides his participation in the hood? My result was that math targeted a50 and only a50. It's also conceivable that the hood doesn't exist at all but I don't buy that.

I'm avoiding engaging with it because it's pointless to engage with at this time.

We've agreed to Lynch math and vig me if he flips town, that's the correct play here and it's what we're doing. And if I wanted to hostile takeover the hood I would have someone else claim the guilty and I would have had it done at start of day.

[RadiantCowbells]

the rationale being floated is that for some reason scum!RC is magically so terrified of the player whose town game I third* least respect on this isite that I've chosen to fakeclaim a guilty, somehow talk my way out of the fact that even if I later go back and say that the guilty was faked I have never in site history sober claimed a guilty on someone to lynch them and had them fail to flip scum, so that would be in and of itself a scumclaim. it'd be a complete dead end with no real way to talk myself out of it and no real advantage, particularly given that the most likely answer is that I just get vigged. regardless of roles this is never my play as scum and I feel like that should be objectively obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot. i'm fairly certain at this point, regardless of my reads on them even, that literally everyone who is currently voting math is town and besides PJM no one whose alignment concerns me is even expressing that viewpoint. both nosferatu and yuurei are widely agreed on townreads, hebichan is locktown, and Theta is looking for every excuse to not stay on the wagon so of all the supporters of the wagon only cheeky's alignment is even in contention and of the people who can read her only keychain (who is scum) thinks her alignment is in question, including A50 hard townreading her

meanwhile all the slots where scum is agreed to be in are trying to push the lynch towards me

it's not rocket science what scum are trying to do and multiple people have *already* tried to justify not lynching mathblade after I flip tracker. if you can't figure this out you're just bad.



*first place was taken by bbmolla vigging NSG and second by Reck's NSG push in the ongoing

I understand this is in reference to an ongoing game, but the second that game end I'm going to raise a major objection.

And btw thanks to fucking shenanigans: both bbmolla vigging nsg and reck pushing nsg were VERY justified, so you're fucking terrible at actually reading games.

ok so I know you're just as stupid as both of them, good to know.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, im sort of loving how semi-reasonable Mathblade is being. It might be warping my perceptions, but its sort of pleasant.

Edit: theres scum in your hood regardless mathblade. Let me at least form proper reads because this lynch is important.

Protip: this is a scumtell

[RadiantCowbells]

U do not know math as well as I do

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I suppose it's plausible that less bus driver and more scum interpreted my guilty claim as some sort of soft and redirected me to scum

But that doesn't mean that I didn't target scum and get redirected to another scum

[RadiantCowbells]

If I didn't have a guilty on Mathblade I'd still be claiming a guilty on Mathblade so like idk what you want from me?

My result was given as my target not explicitly Mathblade, I'll pm the mod again

[RadiantCowbells]

Another thing is that I think the claimed hood mechanic doesn't make sense with redirector type roles: what happens if you make one person go elsewhere? Two kills?

[RadiantCowbells]

And a bus driver is even worse because then you just encourage a vig on whoever and bus it to whoever you want dead, guaranteed two scum kills every night on high value targets, one of which is immune to protectives

[RadiantCowbells]

Mechanically it makes more sense if there's something we don't understand about how the multiple actions work or if MB just has like a ninja modifier applying to anything that isn't a nightkill that's meant to be seen as a guilty when tracked with our current info

[RadiantCowbells]

Or we could just Lynch Mathblade who is scum and learn what we learn from his flip.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not if you whittle the hood down to 4, then Lynch one and kill both of the others leaving you with a 2 kpn scumteam

[RadiantCowbells]

Just fucking Lynch mtah for the love of God

You never assume bus driver before you Lynch the guilty

This day phase needed to be over a week ago

Scum are content ruining the game to keep math alive. Just fucking call it a day and get rid of them

I'm willing to be vigged if it's an inno then you know for tomorrow. We're not leaving math alive today

[RadiantCowbells]

I have never been wrong on a read of this tier or even a read one tier below this tier. This is truly disgusting

[RadiantCowbells]

You guys say I'm ruining the game but all I'm doing is making sure scum die. You are all hard enabling scum wincon. I cannot win this game by doing anything but what I'm doing so if you'd rather replace out than Lynch scum get the fuck out of this game, good fucking riddance.

[RadiantCowbells]

When you guys make me feel empathy for fucking chesskid you know this lobby is in the toilet

[RadiantCowbells]

Another thing is that I think the claimed hood mechanic doesn't make sense with redirector type roles: what happens if you make one person go elsewhere? Two kills?

I can answer this: unless the whole hood is redirected it can't be. So lightning rod could do it technically. As I said earlier though, bus driver apparently can switch our target. iirc it targets the person visited which is why.

You asked mastina and this was the response?

[RadiantCowbells]

Noting that when people started making excuses for why I'd be town with Mathblade still town I stopped being obv, literally lockscum and now I'm continuing antitown crap

But who scumhunts anymore right guys?

[RadiantCowbells]

I had 3/4 scum in night and day and I was alive in it for 24 hours

[RadiantCowbells]

Another thing is that I think the claimed hood mechanic doesn't make sense with redirector type roles: what happens if you make one person go elsewhere? Two kills?

I can answer this: unless the whole hood is redirected it can't be. So lightning rod could do it technically. As I said earlier though, bus driver apparently can switch our target. iirc it targets the person visited which is why.

You asked mastina and this was the response?

It was already asked when I replaced in I think, either that or she posted it without it being asked.

Like she posted it when someone asked or it was information given from the get go

[RadiantCowbells]

Games where I was both absymal and 100% confident in my reads? Nah. I regulate how hard I go in on things.

Since 2017 I still go in on less certain scumreads because it's better than letting other townies lead lynches usually but at no point have I started being wrong on reads that I was absolutely sure if.

[RadiantCowbells]

I just policy Lynch people for scumreading me for shitty reasons more and this game shows you why I have to.

[RadiantCowbells]

A game I was alive 2 hours in, great. I was also never anywhere near certain given I was alive like no time at all.

I was also right on bins tho

[RadiantCowbells]

Also math has been saying I'm scum the whole day now he's arguing that my reads are bad and not to listen to me

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay let's say you didn't kill almost50

Let's say you redirected me to scum thinking I wouldn't target scum

But I did target scum

How is that result an inno on you? If I was redirected all that means is my result is NAI but you're still scum by play so

[RadiantCowbells]

Also hold on: there's something big about this setup I need to post because it will explain a lot of my thought process here

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean it's not my fault everyone in this game is a few roast beef paninis short of a teddy bear picnic

[RadiantCowbells]

People go completely apeshit at me when I'm town, throw me off my game, then when I don't literally solo the game in spite of shitty deathtunnels on me or whenever I make a single mistake in a game they rip it out of context saying hey look RC isn't good he did XYZ in a context where virtually no one would have performed well as town. massive amounts of people shitting on you all game would tilt everyone, and games like this where I've caught scum but people refuse to listen make me even more demotivated to push hard in the next one.

It was really nice when I had enough respect to lynch people when I knew they were scum but a bunch of shitters trying to scrape a 3% winrate against my scum game screwed my town game, so.

[RadiantCowbells]

1 of them is mathblade

[RadiantCowbells]

I shouldn't get so much shit for just saying that we should lynch math because I'm better than yall even though it's objectively true.

[RadiantCowbells]

if radiant tracked mathblade and got as a result that his target visited almost50 [and only almost50] then a role which can mess with results or actions exists
mathblade has indicated that your hoods action resolves as the entire hood visiting the target so radiant should have seen a visit to your recruit as well

and my post outlined why math probably is not scum in any situation with both role redirection and radiant receiving that result

you missed the one that makes the most sense to me

given that apparently the neighbourhood cannot be solo redirected

scum redirected me onto scum to hopefully give me a false result. I didn't actually target mathblade. but I got a false guilty on scum so it's all good.

[RadiantCowbells]

i really hope gamma is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

like how the fuck did scum manage not only to not lynch guiltied scum but to convince town that after I flipped town that they should still ignore the guilty

I don't understand how you are all so fucking stupid.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think the redirector stuff is wrong
I think that either the scum nightkill or mathblade's role interacts in such a way that I don't actually see him visit two people and that he's getting away with it because he
but I need to try to convince people who see my result as an inno on mathblade (somehow) that they need to lynch him because right now there is a serious subset of the game advocating lynching me then not lynching math when I flip detective

most of the people in this game who are worth playing with replaced out, so.

liek just trying to convince people to lynch mathblade is so hard for some reason because people are so stupid

[RadiantCowbells]

k this is what we're doing

[RadiantCowbells]

MATHBLADE IS 100% SCUM LYNCH THEM IF YOU AREN'T TERIBLE AT THIS GAME THANKS.

<<< I am assuming that the solid page of spamming this post was, by the benefit of the doubt, unintentional multiposting as a result of a site glitch. Were it intentional, however, this is a stern warning to not spam the game, least of all with gigantic text. >>>

[RadiantCowbells]

HOW DOES ANYONE IN THIS GAME WHO ISN'T SCUM ALIGNED KNOW HOW THE HOOD ACTIONS INTERACTS WITH THE NIGHTKILL.

ANSWER: YOU DON'T SO INSISTING THAT YOU DO MAKES YOU A BAD PLAYER SO YOU NEED TO STOP.

[RadiantCowbells]

REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE HOOD SAYS ABOUT THE VISIT MASTINA DOES THINGS WITH RULES IN A LOT OF HER GAMES AND A VERY POSSIBLE ONE IS THAT WHOEVER COMMITS THE NIGHTKILL -CANNOT COMMIT ANY OTHER ACTION NO MATTER WHAT- IN WHICH CASE MATHBLADE ONLY VISITING THE NIGHTKILL AND LOSING THE HOOD ACTION MAKES COMPLETE SENSE.

OCCAM'S RAZOR SAYS THAT WE TRACKED SCUM TO A NIGHTKILL THEREFORE THEY ARE SCUM, NOT THAT THERE'S A FUCKING BUS DRIVER REDIRECTOR.

[RadiantCowbells]

@Mod: Replace out

I'll stay if you can't find anybody for this slot within a couple days since you've been struggling with this, but otherwise this game is effectively ruined for me by now.

if u voted mathblade it wouldn't have had to have been ruined for anyone.

[RadiantCowbells]

I really don't care. if you can't vote a guilty and insist that we need to give hearing time to the guilty then you honestly deserve to feel the game is ruined?

I'm not sure what's so hard about this situation that required us to stall the game for the entire fucking day phase with a guilty because yall are so bad you'd rather keep giving scum outs

[RadiantCowbells]

like the absolute simplest resolution to this problem: scum committing the nightkill can't commit any other actions therefore mathblade's hood action is cancelled. bingo, complete solution in a box.

[RadiantCowbells]

by the way

literally everyone in this game not voting mathblade right now owes me an apology when mathblade flips scum or don't talk to me ever again.

[RadiantCowbells]

What do you advocate then, zmuffinman

that I -don't- lynch scum and lose and don't play my win condition?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like the non-nuclear option was clearly not working, so I just take the loss because I don't deserve to win despite correctly calling scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

like this postgame is going to be a lot of fun.