Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

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I WAS NOT INFORMED HOW LONG THIS IS

who's gonna give me a tl;dr version?

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VOTE: ofrhz

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> a50
> skitter30
> vig on ducky n1

ah memories~

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ya I'll work on being obvtown

first order of business is getting a read on a50 on my lunch break!!

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and MWNN"s slot

have we had ~the discussion~ about people's takes on decent scum powahz

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DAYVIG: OFRHZ

fun fact: I have a 100% rate of reading ofrhz correctly when I'm scum

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I’m obvtown c: -ofrhz

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I'm soulreading you as scum skitter but I haven't read the thread yet so please accept this as an "in my dream last night....." level read

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pagetop dayvig

more like the best amirite

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pagetop dayvig

more like the best amirite

the above does sound like jesterposting

lmfao <3 good to see you mr. weasley

I'm soulreading you as scum skitter but I haven't read the thread yet so please accept this as an "in my dream last night....." level read

if this is a real read you have in like a day or two in real time i will death-tunnel you, fair warning

fair take after american presidents but if I start to REALLY FEEL IT I'll explain why

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lol, this list is pretty damn good. I didn't quite register that.

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I'm jester lynch pls

pedit: yeah sky would get it too xD

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what's your read on my slot ruru

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totally thought a50's super super super early posting about traitor was traitor indicative which would put his team at antihero/FraJa but eeehhh I think he's just town or groupscum, his reads feel like actual reads

defs leaning town there atm

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VOTE: ceejayvinoya
if I'm wrong on this blow my mind, friend

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FOS Buj as well but despite being a friend I don't have as strong a feel for his scumgame

skitter is pinging town on second impressions but I will only have a good read on her when I read the game chronologically T_T

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skitter what do you think of ceejay?

has anyone else played with him before?

many many times hahaha, MWNN and CJV are both buds.

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oops I hard townread Antihero's early ISO
Read tentatively redacted

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I'll vote Frank if his lynch will help you crack the game open

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MWNN disengagement with the game/inability to keep up/focusing on real life and giving nothing away is >>>>rand scum indicative btw

CJV's catch-up is pingy in general and also more likely to come from scum!cjv

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I'm not gonna talk about what I'm looking for from a meta pov obviously but he's on notice

Enigma is proving really conflicting to read. gutscum headtown, I'm swinging town here too atm

pedit: being lynchbaity and lurking are two very situational tells and are great ways to lose games, look at Q3 2018 scum!Creature lol

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That'd be an "heavy enough FOS that I'm currently fine if it leads to your lynch"

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ok idk any of u but i did some theorizing pregame
mafia likely took two modifiers pregame, joat and daytalk meaning we have at most 4 townprs.

vex is probably town thru sheer post count (my eyes are bleeding) but if he is scum the scumteam stinks

too much conviction in an insanely bad choice of powers

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Not Voting (1): ceejayvinoya

*distant sound of howling*

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we all scumread

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flashwagon cjv imo

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@vex I've skimmed your walls, they're fine

I'll do a proper full read when I'm in the mood to

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so Creature
I'm thinking you're probably town this time

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@skitter have you seen me rep into a town slot before?

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just gonna set the record straight.

your read on me here feels really over keen as hell.

those posts are me being me and just because you caught me as scum once in a doomed slot that doesn't have any bearing on my alignment (and nor does it mean I'm a free lynch for you to pull out of your hat wheneverthefuck)

currently slightly more likely a bad taken from town!you than a bad setup from scum!you but either way it's bad and I'm not sure how to feel about that yet

having said that you do have experience misreading town!me so it's probably earnest

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just don't half ass reads on me because that's v v v tilting to town!me

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it's my first strong read in the game

am I right?

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just gonna set the record straight.

your read on me here feels really over keen as hell.

those posts are me being me and just because you caught me as scum once in a doomed slot that doesn't have any bearing on my alignment (and nor does it mean I'm a free lynch for you to pull out of your hat wheneverthefuck)

currently slightly more likely a bad taken from town!you than a bad setup from scum!you but either way it's bad and I'm not sure how to feel about that yet

having said that you do have experience misreading town!me so it's probably earnest

i mean you're also forgetting the fact that i was scumreading sky before you repped on; i spent like three hundred posts or so voting your slot earlier this game and i've been actively arguing that your slot is a good vig shot for several days now; it's not like my read on the slot is just about you

also i'm noting that you're kinda downplaying my tonal read accuracy on you when we both know i can read you tonally (ie in jungle republic - yes you were town but you were trying to act scummy - and american presidents; 'just because you caught me as scum once in a doomed slot that doesn't have any bearing on my alignment' feels like spin)

do you think i'm treating this like 'I'm a free lynch for you to pull out of your hat wheneverthefuck'?

not rn no I'm just concerned you're undervaluing me.

you're very tunnelled on my slot and it doesn't feel like you're giving me any room to do my thing.

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these ones feel off tonally; i don't think i can explain it better than literally just 'feel off tonally'

Now how could anyone "downplay" this lmao

#goodposting
I'm pocketed now gz Frankie

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cj is legitimately scummy here having essentially no reaction to a scumread from someone he just finished playing scum with

That's what's irking me I kinda wanna pressure harder but even more so I feel like he should be volunteering... like SOMETHING....

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i also think that i can give you some space to catchup and that i don't know if you're my ideal lynch candidate atm because i would feel kinda bad if town!you got vigged before you really got into the game

and i think i know how to read you and that with a bit more time after you get into the game i can sort you confidentally

I'll take this

who do you see as my scumbuddy/ies and who's my traitor? this setup is well suited to your analysis style imo, are you kinda sensing anything fishy?

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my creds with cjv incoming

mini normal 2021 - scum!tw & VT!cjv. he was the d1 mislynch
newbie 1878 - I was scum and a late rep in, witnessed d1 cjv lynch as town tracker
open 733 we were s/s with Ircher and had a perfect win and it was very, very funny
open 725 I was town seer cjv was werewolf, I caught his buddy n1 he survived and won
open 720 I was detective killed n1 cjv was VT lynched d2 (we don't talk about open 720)
Newbie 1870 I was vt and endgamed, cjv town tracker killed n1
newbie 1866 cjv was VT lynched d1, I survived and won as VT
Newbie 1882 I read, cjv was town mislynched
Open 730 I spectated, cjv was town RB and survived and won
Newbie 1864 I spectated, cjv was VT and survived and won

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we're basically Siamese twins at this point.

I might have more experience with cjv than anyone else :0

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IDK what I'm getting from cjv is pretty similar to the current best meta tell on scum!Creature

normally it feels like he's mislynched because he lurks for ages then says what's actually on his mind without stepping anyone through his thought processes and his reads are actually often absolutely fine it's just he doesn't always explain them

here he's taken quite a lot of time to produce incredibly safe reads with reasoning and then occasionally floats in and says the game is moving too fast

I just kinda want something that blows my mind, or a lynch

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having said that I haven't really red Frank yet honestly but his reaction to your reaction to my replace in was scummy

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not-town-reading
slightly scumread his pred

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meta again I've spoken about mwnn already tho

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yep I'll do it on my lunch break.

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this game feels like a loss.

scumslip much?
town is gonna wreck this shit

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the worst replaces Skygazer. Quack!

Had tw been here from the start I would have tunneled him with vengeance!

Hello, cute furry yellow .. SERIAL KILLER!

omg don't even go there I feel so bad for that night kill... I played the vig role too mucu

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Not sure how long Buj has been voting for A50 though. Antihero's A50 reaction/case struck me as pretty towny.

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Thank you ofrhz

Hello

I will catchup fully probably during the weekend.

Based on first 5 pages: vex, skitter, skygazer and young man A29 are town. Hewhoswims and Enigma are scum.

I don't normally replace people so this is new to me enjoy my tease. More to come.

lol it's a lingering vote from his pred
I don't mind Buj's slot compared to GEm & FraJa

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@A50 I'm ALWAYS the Budweiser, you guys can fight over the non alcoholic ones.

my dad was actually in Budapest last week lol, should've smuggled me in. Rude

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Frank early posting is p sketchy
He's casing lynches not casing alignments

biggest ping: he states very few townreads then proceeds to more or less ignore them. feels more like he's tryna trip up his scumreads


this is half playstyle pingy stuff tho I kinda wanna see content from him that isn't crap before I have a stronger read his take on A50's setup spec and read on antihero + sheeping him onto the wagon is kinda slightly more likely to come from town I think

either way if I had to pick I'd still call Buj slot town / FraJa scum before I'd call the other way around or s/s. there's probably 1-2 town in here.

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Creature is obviously the scum on the cjv wagon

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oh nice

you guys ready to see some real shit?

@FRAJA - what is your read on CJV?! please case a little for me

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if anyone can answer for him please go wild

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I feel like you're way less likely to die tonight Creature fwiw

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FOS Buj as well but despite being a friend I don't have as strong a feel for his scumgame

skitter is pinging town on second impressions but I will only have a good read on her when I read the game chronologically T_T

oops I hard townread Antihero's early ISO
Read tentatively redacted

@Gamma I'm not feeling the Buj thing much anymore
want me to like go and try to work out what was going through my mind or

I don't want to

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Ruru town so far

Also I'm 30% sure she's only √7 of a ¾ math major but don't sheep me on this

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I'm gonna walk past a certain uni and say hi to some ducks later
A duck hung out with me near a fountain last night
so many duck friends

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quack

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quack

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yeah vig cjv
hurt brackets can gtfo just put bullets in that wizard

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@Creature mostly, Gamma slightly
sorry but with 48 hours to go I really am not gonna obvtown hard enough to get you all to settle down. all I can do is ask for a reevaluation d2.

I'm more or less fine with this game/list I'm just not warmed up and don't have that urgent energy yet.

lynch someone who's actually gonna flip red. or if I'm designated d1/n1 death lmk and I'll stop putting effort in.

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it was a hyperbolic AtEish request, I think you know I'm gonna keep spamming

at the same time if everyone's gonna be like OOoooooOOoOo scumducky and ignore any solving I do I'm not really sure what the value of me solving is rofl

Creature gets my alignment right ~most of the time, I can't remember off the top of my head if Gamma can read me or not, I don't think skitter has a great history of correctly townreading me but need to verify. you should be able to read me given our similar quirks I think.

there's like no utility in lynching me d1 when I'm not in sync and this list should be able to sort me d2 lmao

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if I were a serial killer here I'd stab skitter most of the time unless I was already outed/leashed in which case I'd prolly go for cjv

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It's very likely I'll die N1 and also I want to flip scum today.

even if you do think i'm scum admit from a gamestate/timing pov this is a really bad cw

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Almost50 (3): BuJaber, Gamma Emerald, FrankJaeger

s k e t c h y
funnily enough i'm actually scrolling through open 711 right now and a50 was pretty 'out there' that game but i don't think any scum actually ever voted him before his n1 demise
i'm more invested in skitter/me interactions rn, I don't think there's a whole lot to read into it

but yeah the a50 wagon sucks and all 3 of these guys should feel bad for not voting for an actual scumfuck

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oh nice

you guys ready to see some real shit?

@FRAJA - what is your read on CJV?! please case a little for me

still really want fraja to respond to this


pedit: goddamnit enigma

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how did you reach a scumread on antihero BTW?

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hmm his ISO is indeed less towny than I remembered. How do you feel about his immediate reaction to you?

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and I think it's mcbethe

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if I were a serial killer

here

I'd stab skitter most of the time

unless I was already outed/leashed in which case I'd prolly go for cjv

why?

answered herein
That'd more quickly enable me to play a lazy friendly sk game lmao

this is a tangent ;p

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and I think it's mcbethe

Actually it's Macbeth, but for someone who's addicted to McDonald's I can see why you'd drop the 'a'.

Ronald Macbeth

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Oh i thought u were trying to say something about ur read on me; didnt realize it was a tangent

On a related note, whats ur read on me?

nulltown
your reaction to my rep in was pingy as hell but that's kinda because I have TMI on my slot dohoho

in the context of the thread you're pretty much fine, and your trajectory on my slot etc. checks out

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I think it's time for frank to claim

^^^^^

^^^^^^^^^^^

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actually Buj do you reckon you could tier your reads for me? (even loosely is fine)

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alright I can dig it.

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definitely ellitell skitter tbh
her reaction to my rep in scumlean is also like 5% more town!skitter though I put less stock in that

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she was activerer in the scum thread all game iirc

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it was a hyperbolic AtEish request, I think you know I'm gonna keep spamming

at the same time if everyone's gonna be like OOoooooOOoOo scumducky and ignore any solving I do I'm not really sure what the value of me solving is rofl

Creature gets my alignment right ~most of the time, I can't remember off the top of my head if Gamma can read me or not, I don't think skitter has a great history of correctly townreading me but need to verify. you should be able to read me given our similar quirks I think.

there's like no utility in lynching me d1 when I'm not in sync and this list should be able to sort me d2 lmao

if I were a serial killer

here

I'd stab skitter most of the time

unless I was already outed/leashed in which case I'd prolly go for cjv

why?

answered herein
That'd more quickly enable me to play a lazy friendly sk game lmao

this is a tangent ;p

Vex both of your questions at me have already been answered in my ISO. that is a very quick easy check.

please no epic wall of bad questions, that's just noise

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it's also a soft guilty for what that's worth

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if frank/tw are t/s maybe he lolhammers and we lose two claims

*slow blink*
your experience with my scumgame is pretty skewed by me deciding to meme that one time...

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ohey my current Pokemon go buddy is a larvitar. I wonder if I should name it in your honour.

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I wish it was shiny. but ther u go

Spoiler:

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Magikarp is the greatest.. definitely don't put a psyduck as a pet

add me if you want 1164 6584 8478

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MM?.... MarioManiac? o.0

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In short, some of her posts made me feel that she cares a lot about her tone and about the way other people see her. There are stuff which indicate that she put in effort to make her posts “tonally good” or “tonally read in only one way”, which is generally more scum than town motivated.

can you throw me some quotes which support this? i'm not totally convinced i see it coming from scum before it comes from town but would be keen to get in behind your eyes here

setup stuff is 5% interesting in this particular setup
for example scum taking no powers whatsoever is slightly beneficial for scum
as scum depending on who my partner was (if they were someone i prolly wouldn't jam super well with for example) i'd probably take recruit traitor and nothing else
if they were someone i have really good synergy w and wanna play scum with i'd take daytalk and nothing else


but ya there's a billion different opinions on which powers to take/not take in this setup so whatever

back to getting red flips

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dat's one sassy cow

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i'll be real, i can't even remember who you replaced rn

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OHHH FraJa

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I'm not totally sure if I'm honest he just kinda feels lynchable

someone I'm TRing really wanted him dead, I wanna say skitter maybe had some kinda solve around his flip??

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I feel like I always reach a point where I either SR gamma or are too comfortable with his lynch. like I'm zoned out and didn't realise I hadn't posted for so long but this feels a little lynchmobby.

someone I townread tell me what to do pls

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I feel like I always reach a point where I either SR gamma or are too comfortable with his lynch. like I'm zoned out and didn't realise I hadn't posted for so long but this feels a little lynchmobby.

someone I townread tell me what to do pls

waht are your reads rn?

Just vote yourself

OK <3
VOTE: the worst

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UNVOTE: that felt gr0ss

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I feel like I always reach a point where I either SR gamma or are too comfortable with his lynch. like I'm zoned out and didn't realise I hadn't posted for so long but this feels a little lynchmobby.

someone I townread tell me what to do pls

waht are your reads rn?

apathy mostly honestly

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o hey I could see myself lynching Enigma here. ejji is town unless he's really good at scum tbh

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from what to what?

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> 857
> 1318
:thnikogng:

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just been a while since I like... had a feeling about enigma tbh

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Ejji was the SK, and based on that I don't really know what to think of his posts here. I'll be first to admit there's nothing scummy in them, but I am also one who has been burnt often by a scum player replacing out and their replacement towning it up that people disregard the scummy behaviour/content of the original player.

wat nooo it was skygazer

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why are all of your posts scumpinging me ...?

I think you're officially joining the pile who can't gutread me well.

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um not sure what 'radioactive wagon for scum' means so idk

he's just so nice and awesome and damn good at town and we mindmeld as tvt that i don't really want to lynch him and be wrong especially not day1

this is really wolfy actually

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anyway got some good news
we're not lynching me today and everyone voting me needs to find a better wagon.

ejji and gamma probably bad lynches also

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Do tell

tell what?

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at 3 bad votea no lol I'm not gonna crumb tpr to you the same way I just crumbed a tpr fakeclaim as scum

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I said something very similar to this in american presidents mafia so youre going to have to explain why this is wolfy here

tone tbh
I don't remember what you said in American presidents mafia along these lines, ducky memory is short

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I mean, there you told me you were deliberately not crumbing to me but scumread you for not tpr-reading you after you softed and said in the scum pt that you wefe deliberately softing to me soo ...

ok

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Sky is the one who eventually surrendered .. after replacing Ejji!!!

Check the players list. Slot #6: Skygazer > ejjinami

I kinda struggle with parsing parts of that thread my bad

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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hrm

VOTE: Enigma

sorry for stabbing the gamestate in the eye with a fork. I don't like either of the wagons lmao.

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can't really elaborate a whole lot rn
gammawagon is better than ejji lynch tbf I just don't feel like I have any scumreads

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bc I don't feel ~in tune~ yet. need some blood maybe

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I mean ur the one who called it lynchmobby; its kinda incongruous of you to say that you can't elaborate on it

Given that the people who are willing to lynch enigma today lines up pretty much exactly with the people I'm ok with lynching, i do not think i will support an enigma wagon at this time

yeah I can't elaborate on it yet sorry. gonna have to live with that for the time being.

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where's my greeting NM? I even voted you as a warm greeting.

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oh yeah we're also not guaranteed to have a vig l0l so we should just lynch and shoot in succession through the bottom of the communal reads

pedit: ah the feeling is mutual <3

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{tw, larvitar}
{ }
{a50, vex}
{skitter30, ruru, Buj, Gamma, ejji}
== null == {hot water service}
{NM, Enigma}

tragic

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which slots am I lacking progression on

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what's your read on my slot ruru

The other posts referencing jesterness weren't really memes

I don't personally particularly traitor-read sky-slot but I think it's more likely to be scum than frank (which makes it inherently more likely to be traitor than frank)

(sorry tw )

so what do you think she was doing wrt to the jester-y posts then?

i'm just kinda confused why you've been bringing that up a lot, unless that was a meme in which case i kinda misread what you were trying to say wrt sky i think because i thought you were traitor-reading her because you thought she was jester-posting

I guess voting the ic is somewhat jestery and could be her trying to identify herself to groupscum (I forgot about this)

I don't think the rest of her trolling means much

I think the ellitell means a lot and it's the main reason I want to lynch her

VOTE: ceejayvinoya
if I'm wrong on this blow my mind, friend

okay that's spicy

skitter what do you think of ceejay?

has anyone else played with him before?

I guess what I'm trying to understand is if it's normal for cj or not like I thought he has a lynchbaity meta and always lurks?

so I'm wondering what produces that kind of confidence in reading him

ruru scum = +town skitter
maybe s/s or maybe tmi on cjv I don't have a strong feeling

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I thought ceejay wasn't that scummy in 722 except for a specific thing that he hasn't done here (but that I wouldn't expect to show up frequently anyway)

elaborate on this?

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this game feels like a loss.

gamestate dissonance here actually might be scum indicative. I've half assed my read on ruru I think

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I might be onto nothing. I'll think about it more.
ruru's take on sky early on was a bit eh, progression on my slot is conFUSIng and telling me to self-vote is probably a little suboptimal :s

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which slots am I lacking progression on

hey, if you TR absolutely everyone, it'll mean that the vast majority of your reads is correct :thumbs up:

and elaborate on buj please

ctrl+f antihero and Buj in my iso please if you don't mind, that's one of the slots I'm not lacking thoughts on its just a quiet one

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and def disagree on ruru. While I don't think I'll be able to garther my thoughts enough to make a solid read rn, most of her early posts felt like they were coming from a town pov. Not necessarily the read posts-I mean. idk, but I don't think she's likely to flip scum

huh

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sinks

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your SR of Antihero was just the stick in butt tone realistically right
like you can see his posting coming from town reaction to your posting surely

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yeah fair
I don't really have a lot of confident reads either but you're like my strongest townread so if you're scum I'm gonna be so angery

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my blatant refusal to elaborate shld probably be telling lmao I'd say focus on my other reads today fwiw

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my blatant refusal to elaborate shld probably be telling lmao I'd say focus on my other reads today fwiw

eh i was going to follow up by saying that if you just wanted to evade you should just tell me so that we don't have to go through the motions of playing 20 questions

can't play 20 questions. I just dislike the wagons atm

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skitter why are you not reading my posts

I am not able to talk about Gamma in a whole lot of detail. what other reads do you want more On? if you're wanting, engage with me. it's like the opposite of our usual t/t experience if you just keep saying I'm scum and you're not satisfied without actually trying to engage me properly

I obviously can't talk about Gamma stuff in detail.
I'm not scumreading you here... you pinged badly when I rep'd in but I'm leaning town just a little on you. in fact I think I've stated more +town reasons for you than I did +scum reasons so...???


what else am I being evasive on? I've been totally candid and every thought I've had is like in the thread, I'm just kinda lukewarm on this game atm

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I don't think 1421 is scum bullshit I just think its lazy and confbiasy and you stopped trying to sort me because the game state is challenging. pls don't do that. i don't like being mislynched.

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like i feel like i've been trying to get you to engage and you've just been kinda evasive and eh-y and just very underwhelming

evasive no
underwhelming and bored, sure

I'm finding it really hard to get a concrete read on Enigma, I just feel like there's some kind of energy I'm looking for that's not there--a guarded feeling so to speak? I hope that makes sense.

Gamma yeah I can't talk about so too bad. there's the potential hes scum but the cheeky "oh maybe tw is town" is such blatantly pocketing material that I'd be p surprised if you read us as aligned

NM withiut posting content is indeed vig material but he's actually sitting in a scummy slot as is. I don't see a reason not to just lynch the fuck out of that and then IF a vig exists they can shoot slowly up the realist. like there's no reason to lynch anywhere but obvscum and the vig should just blast into the lynchpool if it exists so idk why you're not keen on lynching that slot
ヽ(｀⌒´)ノ

I agree with vex a50 and creature obv, ruru and enigma I'm just like..... not finding reasons to townread..... they're both kinda just ok

could you quickly tier your reads for me? as they stand rn

I could compromise on HWS potentially because he's just uncomfortably null but he just.... kinda regularly sounds guarded.... I'm not sure there's an inspiring reason to go there.....

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I'm not having strong reads and feel faintly apathetic about the reads I do have. and I keep reaching out and getting nowhere >':

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reaching out

Tbf I'm not reaching out very hard and don't feel failed as such I just feel like I'm having a really hard time connecting with the soul of open Boeing 737

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we have opposing problems

you have so many scumreads. I have too many nullreads. and your PoE includes two of the players I have south of null atm

pedit: hws is thereabouts is probably a healthy vig tbqh

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null/nulltown/nullscum reads if that wasn't clear

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if ejji is so low post rep in how low was the slot before?

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{tw, larvitar}
{ }
{a50, vex}
{skitter30, ruru, Buj, Gamma, ejji}
== null == {hot water service}
{NM, Enigma}

tragic

still around here. push ruru down I guess

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I mean in fairness the gamestate was fine there. more than fine actually

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idrk what I'm waiting for. just feels like we're succumbing to cliche low energy/charisma lynches and I'm not really seeing anyone I want dead more than the NM slot and everyone is being stupid and using that slot to vigtest when
1) we might not have a vig
2) it might be bulletproof

whatever I actually don't think I'm into this game enough to be upset about being mislynched

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not AtE btw. just a heads up I don't think I have the enthusiasm to react to pressure

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like if you think the gamestate is losing, but you're too low energy to care, then you still shouldn't be scumreading me for having thought the gamestate was losing

I actually felt the exact opposite there.
for a moment things were starting to make sense but now they're wonky again. idk I'm probably overthinking stuff.

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@tw

why is my progression on your slot confusing?

probably need a Fancy Post for this, we can go into it later or whatever

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bleh that's an icky wagon too; i hadn't realized

i don't know where i want to vote right now

to quote the great Ruby Red,

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Someone tell me where to vote pls, should I vote gamma or the duck?
We have just 1 day left before deadline and no plurality

uh
hammering that {town, town} mislynch dichotomy
this isn't a good look

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hws isn't here...

also the strength of my hws scumread is less than the strength of your ceejay scumread so probably we should just lynch nm

oh my bad this is actually a wrecking ball of common sense

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that's personal bias and has nothing to do with winning the game

it does if someone is starting to kinda realising on a subconscious level that this isn't scum!ducky and you're twisting their arm back into lynching me.

the main reason I'm netting skitter above the null line rn is the actual parallels she's drawing between me and other games. I think she's actually thought about this. she's just wrong and a part of me is pretty sure she realises to some degree that she's wrong.

you also clearly don't know Skyg's scum meta lmao

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anyway
not towncasing my pred. it's a waste of valuable meta when the outcome is predetermined to me. you'll all get over it

ruru more likely town for overbtinkjng it that far. I'm prolly overthinking her

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@tw

why is my progression on your slot confusing?

probably need a Fancy Post for this, we can go into it later or whatever

fancy post when?

not before I'm lynched
I'm actually v/la over the weekend but won't qnnounce it because you fucks are mislynching me anyway

Just look for who should have known better and adjust reads accordingly lol

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I'm at least gonna go down voting the mechanically correct slot. I want post-game bragging rights if there's no vig or this is traitor.

VOTE: NM

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yeah sorry

scum - was scumreading sky + anti-mindmelding (we gel very well as tvt) + i have no idea what he's thinking despite him having a lot of posts + he's being evasive + his reads progressions are coming out of nowhere + just hasn't seemed town + trying to scumread me here is bad

source: american presidents mafia (+ watching me play scum in the open that just ended)

I don't think 1421 is scum bullshit I just think its lazy and confbiasy and you stopped trying to sort me because the game state is challenging. pls don't do that. i don't like being mislynched.

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didn't say it was a tell. I just feel like a few of you are too used to seeing me as scum to sort me without me energetically powertowning which I don't have the enthusiasm to do.

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sorry skitter, that was in response to you clarifying whether I thought you had +scum equity for your read on my slot. the answer is no, it seems believable as genuine

@ruru, probably

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just lynch scum tbh

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this game will get funner
it's got a good list
= part of the problem with d1 xD

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feel better soon skitter <3 and have a good weekend if I don't see u before then

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holy fuck that was bad... sorry
his ava looks like your old ava when my phone back light is turned off hahahahaha

feel better soon vexy.

hope you're in good health too skitter (and still hope you have a good weekend )

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if a vig exists I just trust the vig not to be stupid. if I could hammer I would :p

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Well initial thoughts are ruru is town based on the last minute unvote.

Interesting turn of night events. No vig maybe, unless duck is BP/traitor (but don't claim vig if so). Also feel like with the NK target, scum were TPR hunting so we could expect they picked a few modifiers?

pings scummy

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I think tw's play has been results-oriented in a tmi way: he expects to deliver us a redflip and then not die as a result, without really scumhunting or doing anything else towny

ok so you literally witnessed what happened the last time I tried to bus so please tell me you actually think I

*clears throat*

> rep'd into a scumslot
> decided to expose scum!cjv for towncred (?) when he'd just been dropped into his usual "too hard to read" bin
> cjv then spewed antiassociatives and then flaked from the game because.....?? he didn't like my bus strategy? waht
> I suddenly got really really good at bussing and changed my bussing ethos dramatically

like this conclusion is so vague and has nearly no thought behind it. I'd feel better if you jumped into the thread with a fucking fake guilty. seriously. stop tunnelling me and pay attention to the fact cjv and I were obviously not scum together.

actually fuck it this could be scum. will revisit later


hypo inno Bujaber

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tw is a valuable scum player

I don't really think.

QFT
I also have no reason to bus considering nobody here knows my scum meta very well. especially someone who nobody was paying attention to.

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VOTE: ejjinami

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I would really like to see examples of:
a) apathy town tw - which he refused to provide meta of when I asked and this supports the idea of him expecting to just get a free pass for delivering a redflip, which only scum could really be sure would happen
b) sacrificial scum tw - he might choose try to lynch town d1 here as scum but given the scumreads already on him that would probably lead to him never making endgame. I haven't seen sacrificial scum play from tw before, so I'm curious if it's a thing he does at all

I would really like to see examples of:
a) apathy town tw - which he refused to provide meta of when I asked and this supports the idea of him expecting to just get a free pass for delivering a redflip, which only scum could really be sure would happen
b) sacrificial scum tw - he might choose try to lynch town d1 here as scum but given the scumreads already on him that would probably lead to him never making endgame. I haven't seen sacrificial scum play from tw before, so I'm curious if it's a thing he does at all

it's not my job to hold your hand thru my meta
you should not trust me to hold your hand thru my meta if you think I'm scum

why would I ever dignify this with a response? address it at someone who knows me better or dive it yourself?

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1. i've seen you rep into slots that you knew were scumslots before (cough american presidents cough)

2. cj didn't flake from this game specifically; he posted nowhere on site for like three days; i checked when he got replaced

3. what's your bussing ehtos?

4. bolded - i dislike that you characterize her post this way; i think she def put thought into it; it feels like overinflated rhetoric to discredit her

1. I have and I'd use the same rhetoric as I used here. I rep'd into this game because I luffles the mod and I didn't read a word of it before agreeing to rep in so this could easily have been an obvscum slot. I just got lucky this time.

2. I didn't check that; sorry. fair critique.

3. I don't like bussing. I will bus or otherwise change up my meta if it throws off people who are hot on my scum meta. if I can get away with not doing it I just..... won't lmao.

this is tricky bc I play with friends a lot but American presidents mafia I avoided the Mom wagon as long as I could without basically claiming her partner. open 733 I dug my heels in and flatly refused to bus (only thing we did was d3 distancing between myself/ircher). can't think of anything else to talk about rn but I'm ~80% anti bus and generally fairly bad at it.

4. sure, that was somewhat exaggerated and rhetorical from me. but fmpov it's frustrating that she's only seeing points which paint me in a bad light. it's like she's processing enough to have a scumread on me but not stopping to check herself. I know ruru is a damn good player which is why I'm tearing my feathers out.

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also like

I don't have anything to respond to in this post but it's a little towny in a 2.5d way

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> cjv then spewed antiassociatives and then flaked from the game because.....?? he didn't like my bus strategy? waht

for that matter this, as a first reaction (8 minutes after your previous post on a different topic) feels scummy also

if you asked me whether I'm a viable ceejay partner or if he spewed antiassociatives with me I'd have to go reread the game because I'm town and I don't read my own associatives with dead scum

elaborate on the first point.

I only remember the cjv reaction because he was giving off "hahahahahahafuck" energy which made me think he was scum even more. I don't catch scum d1 and successfully get them lynched often, sorry for being prideful

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I think I'm being stupid again. this is >rand town!ruru it's just an annoying antitown tunnel.

can you please look at this again and tell me you objectively think it makes any sense for me to charge in and bus cjv as his scunbhddy there. I appreciate that I cOuLd Be TeH sCuMz but like maybe ofrhz made a mod error and Creature is scum
ヽ(｀⌒´)ノ

if you keep tunnelling small possibilities were not gonna get anywhere. I'm objectively more likely to be town than scum here by both play and meta and your insisting I cOuLd Be TeH sCuMz is doing like nothing but frustrating me and clogging up the thread

also minor lamisty moment, sue me: if I do get lynched it's gonna steer heat back @ u which is not super beneficial rn fmpov

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What are you looking for? I'll go look later.

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"being lazy town" is kind of a vague spectrum
are you looking for a game where I've had a hard time getting / staying engaged? I think it's more of a trending issue for me because I'm getting fairly bored of the game in a general sense

the more I'm thinking about it the more I'm liking this angle on my slot from you, I think I was just irritated by the conclusions being drawn too quickly fyi

one question tho: where is your awareness of your history of misreading me?

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any thoughts on this?

not.... really?
my response is like "ok", I was being very rhetorical about your tunnel on me

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one question tho: where is your awareness of your history of misreading me?

I mostly townread your posting in 721 except for the mathdino vote I think? and I didn't actually put you in my scum pile for that iirc

I had you as null and then scum during 728

the reason you were lynched in sky's jester nightless wasn't scum equity

and I don't think I've ever pushed a strong scumread on you like this before?

ya but you scumread me in Sky's game
and also said at least once that RIP you failed to read me again

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like, sure, his reaction was scummy, but from a third person perspective, is there anything about his reaction that precludes it from being svs? how do you think ceejay reacts to scum.you there?

awkwardly non-reacting to your scumread doesn't seem particularly unlikely to be svs to me, especially coming from a low-effort scum player, and especially considering scum might not have daytalk.

it's kinda hard to see it from a third party perspective because I had such a strong GOTTEM feel on cjv but idrk. it just felt like I nailed a scumread on a player who is a mess to read and he reactively genuinely shit himself.

if it was a bus it was definitely like a whimsical unplanned decision by me which.... yeah whatever just tell me if you actually think it makes sense for me to whimsically bus my scumbuddy there

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@ruru,
sorry fair point. I misremembered that. this does feel like town!you misreading me

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that was george lol I was fred

jfc now that I'm thinking about it I can't believe I mixed that up after 733 as well

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actually

VOTE COUNT 1.28

Almost50 (0):

HeWhoSwims (1):

Almost50

the worst (1):

Not_Mafia

ruru (0):

BuJaber (0):

Not_Mafia (7):

the worst, ruru, skitter30, Vex Vience, Creature, Enigma, ejjinami

LYNCH

Enigma (0):

ejjinami (0):

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (2):

HeWhoSwims, BuJaber

skitter30 (0):

Vex Vience (0):

Not Voting (1):

Gamma Emerald

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-09-14 16:30:00)

Other

:
- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays
- HeWhoSwims still needs to be replaced

ooOooOOoooOoOOOOO
VOTE: Enigma

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yeah I'm starting to feel that, mixing you and George up in my head actually contributed to my misread by thinking you were peddling bullshit you knew better than to peddle

I'll go redive myself a bit later, also like [redacted] so :/

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fuqc how did u know it was me
Σ(O_O；)

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nice to see you again Alonzo
I'll try not to deathtunnel you this time unless you're scum lmao

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D2 begins
my thoughts: quack!
a shiny wagon forms
my thoughts: quack!
I hop on the wagon
my thoughts: quack!
I notice ruru is town and makes a good point about the wagoned player
my thoughts: quack!
I realise the hammer was pretty good and your sketchy L-1 is a lot more scum indicative plus I put ejji as town before you
my thoughts: QUACK QUACK BINCH

hopefully this explains my thought process in a tidy linear fashion

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I scumread the slot
the only reason I didn't vote it is because people were DUMB and wanted to vig it and cjv would produce AI content
NM would not produce any more AI content d1 lmao

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i don't like this post
at all

ok

vig being stupid would mean the vig shoots creature or myself.

ok

i don't see vig shooting you as a sign of them being stupid.

ok

also, the "if i could hammer, i would" feels really weird to me

ok

by way of response please see above

kindly share what the fuck you're angling at?

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and yet my post that said basically the exact same thing as well doesn't? (minus the ruru is town, and somewhat different on scum tpr hunting)

ok

that doesn't seem right here duckko

oh?

by way of response please see above

I found Enigma's wording and timing kinda funny, yours felt fine. it's just you being you

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Vex scumreading me here is a high form of compliment bc he's ignoring everything suspicious I'm posting and focusing on NAI nonsense.....and me scumhunting? binchhhh

also ofrhz mod error comment was a joke

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Tw - do you have a scum game where you posted a lot? I only have the one scumgame to go on and d1 you sort of played to that meta but d2 it's different. Like you're arguing more than I would expect but some of the things you're saying are just so weird.

lmao maybe
Try open 733 or earthbound or the newbie game nancy modded or sharing is caring by almost50

going by your question I don't really know what you're looking for? like just high post count as scum? either of those games should be fine, I talk a lot

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Tw - do you have a scum game where you posted a lot? I only have the one scumgame to go on and d1 you sort of played to that meta but d2 it's different. Like you're arguing more than I would expect but some of the things you're saying are just so weird.

lmao maybe
Try open 733 or earthbound or the newbie game nancy modded or sharing is caring by almost50

going by your question I don't really know what you're looking for? like just high post count as scum? either of those games should be fine, I talk a lot

hold on yeah
try open 733, that might be closer to what you're after I think

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@VV

I have a strict Lynch NM policy. A50 unvoting NM and saying I never vote NM is THE singlemost scummy post I think I 'have ever seen. Probably best he's dead, I would have dragged this game waaaay down by now =)

lmfao oh you don't know their history
A50 and NM are like, soulmates in a non creepy mafia way. A50 will keep NM around for sheer enjoyment for as long as possible unless it messes w wincon (me too Tbf just to a lesser degree )

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im getting at that i don't like that this post is really scummy.
vig being stupid means vig just randomly shoots, they don't shoot a scumread
the "if i could hammer" post just feels out of place to me.
it doesn't really make sense to me that you'd say that from a town perspective

you're projecting your opinions onto my post
I'm just saying if there's a vig I hope they shoot sensibly into a lynchpool

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enigma posted it before i did, and we basically said the same thing.
how is it that one person can say it, and its scummy, and another can, and its perfectly fine?

because you have different wincons?
like if scum and town said different things all the time this game would be very boring
this reads as more intolerant of other playstyles/stances than actually thinking and forming a logical opinion. why the fuck does two people saying a similar thing with different trajectories and different styles mean that they must be the same alignment?

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im focusing on the things i find scummy.
also, the mod error thing i brought up only because you tried making a comparison using it

ok

and ok

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ik nm is just a troll.
that's why im so fine with him getting hung d1.

...especially when he reps into a meta scum slot
hence why we don't leave him to be vigged by a vig that ~may or may not exist~

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In terms of post quantity I'd say this game is closer to 733, but content wise I'm not seing a consistent agenda of avoiding the spotlight here. You're neither hiding nor trying to avoid getting into it with people. But I'm not sensing any real motivation to figuring things out either. It reads like that one tired player in every rl game asking everyone "aren't we done yet?"

I've definitely hit a point where I just post more than I used to hahaha. I was kinda starting to get fired up in Earthbound when Mathdino spewed that he meta townread me being uncertain so I seriously hammed up the "maybe I think I don't know" vibes.

I am kinda a tiny bit bored of mafia in a general sense and I need a break but keep sabotaging myself which prolly aids that "aren't we done yet?" feeling.. :p

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so, if you don't want to read my posts, it's a combination of:

- sky ellitell
- tw not playing like his town meta
- tw making generally scummy posts
- tw making posts that remind me of his scum meta
- tw making posts that remind me of his bussing meta (results- rather than process-based scumhunting)
- {tw, cj} interactions not being particularly clearing
- cj being a disposable scum slot; if he kept playing like that, he would've earned a pl anyway
- tw being familiar with cj and so he might feel like he's expected to read the slot correctly eventually anyway

none of these things should be taken alone

I can respond to like every one of these points. like I don't aggressively hate the fact you're scumreading me as much as I thought I did initially, we're just vomiting too much TvT word count at the thread and when I think of this game all I can think about is defending myself. I'm losing clarify yet I know I'm doing just fine.

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I still kinda think I want enigma.

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radical thought
someone remind me why I'm townreading Vex?

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dunno... did it start with B and end in AAAAAA?

(づ￣ ³￣)づ
I kinda skipped half of his posts tbh
looking for someone to tell me if he's actually outside his scumrange or he's just aggressively vomiting wordcount to avoid being read accurately

like I can't be stuffed trying to dig thru his ISO but a lot of his posts are garbo

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I was aware yeah
and not really, I think it maybe made me give them undeserved town points at first because they're being more mature on this acct but it's something I think I need to take more seriously.

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I can't really find anything in skitter's iso that makes me wanna townread Vex tbh

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See anything in Vexys Iso worth a SR?

see that's what's giving me pause, theres nothing too gross and agendaey his ISO is just a mess. like he's posting a LOT of useless stuff

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I played with scum!you in Noir and everyone kinda left you alone for some reason and I was like ?????

also ignoring your self meta
and also ignoring the fact you're ignoring my cognisance of the weakness of my reads considering how much I struggle to parse your ISO

let's just lynch enigma

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people should vote more

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L-2 fyi

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holy hell good point
VOTE: Gamma

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the fnords in his post were very convincing

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wtf is a fnord

negative energies in written text
it's a conspiracy theory thingy

@skitter30, respect your angle.
FYI if I am lynched here I do want a minute of silence for how fucking well I read that slot given brassherald is the readable one in it and he flaked out but yeah the projected confidence prolly didn't do me any favours

I thought my engagement with ruru just now was one of the more real reactions I've had to a read in quite a long time but eh