Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

[Creature]

Creature replaces ManateeDude. Please welcome him!

Oh how unfortunate...

[Creature]

(damn, I like have to go sleep soon)

[Creature]

Why tf is Light Ethos selfvoting?

[Creature]

It's 10:26 pm and I'm sorta tired.

Should I still play or should I leave it for tomorrow playing while in class?

[Creature]

lol how many selfvoters are there?

[Creature]

Yeh, I can agree on Naomi-Tan

[Creature]

Hey Light Ethos, what's going on?

[Creature]

Only Light Ethos is ever going to interact with me?

[Creature]

Maybe-not-so-spicy read:

Flavor Leaf is town

[Creature]

lol how many selfvoters are there?

Unfortunate for you, but your slot was self-voting for most of the game.

and you still self-voting?

[Creature]

Maybe-not-so-spicy read:

Flavor Leaf is town

Town read me again, I dare you. See what happens.

???

[Creature]

Am I supposed to not townread you?

[Creature]

Which slot did you replace Creature

One of the selfvoters

[Creature]

I dont expect you to reread this 50 page game but what do you think about the worst, sasha and... Krazy(?)
=]

I want to see who Krazy would recommend me to lynch (if it's not me).

also still need to have some interactions with the worst and sasha, haven't noticed them much.

[Creature]

Creature's scumgame is actually getting pretty goof

???

[Creature]

Deary Krazy deary Krazy

Who should we lynch D1 this game?

[Creature]

Maybe Saudade for reference too.

Town

[Creature]

He's just acting weird and making all sorts of shitty arguments

Here rests my towncase.

[Creature]

If I am going to read sasha I'd probably need to read the thread, because I don't like ISOing.

[Creature]

I plan to read RVS.

Probably after taking a nice bath.

[Creature]

why would you read the most ridiculous stage of the game

If I had listened to my RVS reads at Micro 820 we would've earned a flawless win.

[Creature]

Hello, everyone. I am moderately new to Mafia.

VOTE: profii

Town negative utility should claim.

This is probtown

[Creature]

I see Manatee is already getting voted. Good.

???

[Creature]

@Manatee why the self-vote?

Hehe

[Creature]

Why am I still the top wagon?

[Creature]

Yes I did

[Creature]

What do you think about Light Ethos rn?

[Creature]

I've felt good at Light Ethos and I don't think scum selfvotes here, but I'm still asking opinions.

[Creature]

Creature replaces ManateeDude. Please welcome him!

Oh how unfortunate...

yup. im pretty certain your slot is red thanks to them. unfortunate.

Was I the planned mislynch?

[Creature]

Creature replaces ManateeDude. Please welcome him!

Oh how unfortunate...

yup. im pretty certain your slot is red thanks to them. unfortunate.

Was I the planned mislynch?

Manatee's meta (as far as im aware from krazy) shows him Afking lurking and eventually replacing EVERY red game. It was like a red slip for me from the play style. theres a while to go before im ready to let go of that, additionally some of your posts have come off rather weak.

I remember getting mislynched some town games because I had a scum meta like this and they thought me lurking = me scum.

[Creature]

like Mini 1841

[Creature]

Hello, everyone. I am moderately new to Mafia.

VOTE: profii

Town negative utility should claim.

This is probtown

no.

Why not?

[Creature]

I don't feel the need to be nuanced, I just react to anything I feel I want to contribute to. If I selectively ignored stuff then I could miss something that could be vital later down the road. sometimes i ignore certain things to allow myself to fish for people like I did with profil and the day talk as I was hoping to bait people, didn't work as profil instantly corrected it, but it also put a spanner in my plan as I had to afk for a bit right before there post to see if there was any biters. pretty annoying but whatever.

I'm not asking to be lynched we just have different views.

ok but your reactions to everything in your last like 30? posts have felt like...... anyone could make them. I'm pretty sure my cat could type out those reactions.

You're not generating interesting content.
You're not showing anyone how you go about solving the game.

You're creating a wall of noise which makes it very difficult to work out what the hell is meaningful. it means you have a huge ISO which floats between being slightly interesting and like endless quote walls, and it means the rest of us have to sift through pages after pages of boring boring content to find anything meaningful.

can you see why your posting is either scum or really bad town? lmfao

Sweet jesus the duck made a game related post that makes sense and not just complete filler nonsense
finally

Who else has been only posting filler?

[Creature]

Sometimes I feel ignored.

[Creature]

I’m the towniest person here.

Right, you’re the village idiot here so it’s like obv town for you. Got it.

Why the insults? Why can’t I just have a different opinion?

Wish people would be civil.

When you start using logic, then sure. I’m not going to approve of crap logic and a policy lynch. I’m super against that, and think it’s terrible play.

I’m using logic. You are also using logic. We use logic based on our own ideas of how players play and more importantly experience. To insult me by saying I’m an idiot and not using logic is really crossing the line.

First saudade, now you.

Y’all want to bully me? Fine.

mod request replacement

This game isn’t a friendly environment anymore.

P.edit. You’ll have to vote whoever replaces me.

Later guys.

What did I miss?

[Creature]

Haven't played with him to say it's AI for Crimson.

Also it looks like a bit late. The TvT he's saying happened like how many pages before?

[Creature]

How is my behavior horrendously bad?

[Creature]

Naomi's town
the worst's town
Rogers town

[Creature]

Krazy and Crimson are scum

[Creature]

Still think Saudade and FL are town

[Creature]

idk how to read the others

[Creature]

Yeh, FL towns up later.

[Creature]

VOTE: Krazy

[Creature]

MMMKay. Hadn't thought this one through enough. This is why Worst fakeclaimed this role as scum:

Gunsmiths are usually, but not necessarily, pro-Town. They are considered somewhat weaker than standard Cops and are usually included in setups where

they can get positive results on players who are not Mafia-aligned.

Ok back to analyzing the claim...

Gunsmiths can semi-clear most town roles though also their false positive tend to be confirmable if town anyway.

[Creature]

How are stuff doing?

[Creature]

Sup Gamma?

My hope is that you will carefully review the thread. And when you are done, you will help me lynch Creature.

Good news and bad news my dude. Bad news: I don’t intend on reading the whole thread.

Good news: I think Creature is scum from what I have read

(that’s why I wanted to join despite the size, I knew I had a good handhold to get myself into the game).
VOTE: Creature

Oh shame

Still welcome to the thread and I hope you enjoy pushing me while you can.

[Creature]

Naomi-Tan (2) - The Worst RockyHorror #1448, Crimson97 #1764

???

[Creature]

mod

I’m voting Crimson

1690

I think we need to wagon the suspects a bit to see if anyone really objects - seems like there are a lot of people going “yeah the lynch pool is aiiight” but there doesn’t feel like any commitment

Hi, I'm feeling motivated.

What is the lynchpool rn?

[Creature]

The Creature vote is also a good one.

I don't think I can get enough votes to lynch Saudade today anyways

.
UNVOTE: Saudade
VOTE: Creature

"let me justify my vote on creature so i don't look bad later"

[Creature]

I think scum are just Crimson, Krazy and Sashaddin.

We just need to choose which we lynch first.

[Creature]

VOTE: Crimson

[Creature]

Obviously Creature has taken the 3 most current wagons and made them his suspects. Was this just a coincidence or is there evidence of these reads from his list post. I can't go look up because I am at work.

Krazy became a wagon because of me, otherwise it would've been like just Flavor Leaf on it.

Crimson I was already scumreading before a significant wagon popped on him.

Sashaddin is mostly that 1790 looks bad. Like, saying "I don't think we can lynch Saudade so I'll vote elsewhere" is so unnecessary.

[Creature]

Krazy isn't that consensus

[Creature]

Creature wagon:

When scum manages to mislynch Creature:


I have never missed with party train gif. Creature wagon is the one true party wagon.

FTFY

[Creature]

Plenty of the most townread players are voting my counterwagon.

[Creature]

Creature replaces ManateeDude. Please welcome him!

Oh how unfortunate...

Creature, could you please explain the meaning of your post here? What is unfortunate?

If scum was planning to mislynch my slot.

[Creature]

Who all has reads of profii other than null?

Haven't interacted with him enough.

[Creature]

Wait I missed like 18 pages

What happened?

[Creature]

VOTE: Sashaddin

[Creature]

Why is the worst replacing out?

[Creature]

Wait, what are the claims so far?

[Creature]

A lot

Which do you remember?

[Creature]

Okay okay

[Creature]

From what I remember:
the worst - Gunsmith
Crimson - Doctor
Krazy - Vigilante Neighbor
Mister Rogers - Neighbor

[Creature]

Are we massclaiming now?

[Creature]

Not official/not double-checked.

Spoiler:

Saudade(3)

~ FrankJaeger(35), Gamma Emerald(64), Mister Rogers(362)

Sashaddin(3)

~ Saudade(586), Light Ethos(232), Creature(77)

Naomi-Tan(2)

~ The Worst(138), Crimson97(58)

Mister Rogers(1)

~ profii(185)

Crimson97(1)

~ Naomi-Tan(223)

Creature(1)

~ Krazy(135)


Not Voting (2): Flavor Leaf(265), Sashaddin(125)

Creature if you're mason or innocent child you can claim, otherwise you don't have to.

Who do you think is fakeclaiming?

[Creature]

And this is PART of the argument why we don't keep running up wagons on people after we get a lynchable claim. I failed here by not forcing everyone to say whether they believe or not before going to another wagon. Its kind of like the FAIL of not lynching V/T claims.

Fair enough. the worst has been apathetic to the game for almost all of the game. I said it before, if I have to vote a power role claim today, it would be the worst. If I'm allowed to vote the person who is the most scummy, I vote the worst. I don't believe his claim, and I do believe that he's been content to just chill his way through Day 1. Then he replaced out.

UNVOTE: Sashaddin
VOTE: the worst

Yeah, I find it hard for some TPR to replace out.

[Creature]

still would rather wait someone replace in

[Creature]

With this given setup thus far, it makes a lot of sense, so

It sorta makes the setup a follow the cop equipped with a doctor that can at worst get a false positive on a confirmable role.

[Creature]

Probably we do three pools:
- Informative lynch pool
- Slanker vig pool
- Possible paranoia gunsmith pool

[Creature]

still pretty likely one of the claims must be scum

[Creature]

Crimson docs Krazy obviously

[Creature]

Ugh, Sasha is like my only scumread that didn't claim PR

[Creature]

@Creature: What's your choice on Worst today?

Gamma Emerald

[Creature]

PEDIT: Worst, I am asking if you disbelieve his claim and want to lynch him

I don't feel like voting an empty slot and even if he's scum I doubt he survives long.

[Creature]

I can do Sasha or Gamma Emerald

[Creature]

idk why Sasha is off the hook

[Creature]

Still, how tf can someone hate being gunsmith so much?

[Creature]

I feel like we're gonna compromise on town anyway.

[Creature]

Which of em, no clue really, nor am I directly scum reading them.

Crimson *could* be fake fake claiming, but it makes sense so far unless it’s a scum doctor. Actually, that’s probably what it is. Has a godfather like effect with gunsmith as well

What I thought. Would make sense town vig and gunsmith v mafia doctor.

[Creature]

Was the worst replaced?

[Creature]

also tf

Is everybody going to replace out?

[Creature]

That's already two PRs that wanted to replace out.

[Creature]

That's already two PRs that wanted to replace out.

would've been good if both were scum.

[Creature]

also I still don't know why Performer replaced Saudade slot over the worst slot

[Creature]

VOTE: Crimson

[Creature]

I doubt we have a full vig with a full gunsmith with a full doctor

The doctor claim seems the less believable

[Creature]

Crimson, Rogers, then one other is the scum. Probably Sasha. Potentially Profii duping me, but I’ll cross that bridge when I get to it.

What about Gamma?

[Creature]

Worst, and Ducky.

Are they the same?

[Creature]

And aren't rogers & krazy neighbors? That defeats the argument of 2 Masons in a game with just 13.

NY213

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I really gotta study for geography, but I'll see if I can help.

[Creature]

Mafia Doctor is making more and more sense

[Creature]

And aren't rogers & krazy neighbors? That defeats the argument of 2 Masons in a game with just 13.

NY213

That was 25p, but that was actually a weak town for that game
Here it’s probably a strong town (if the neighbors are town)

In that game scum like had only a vanilla cop with them.

[Creature]

Gunsmith
2 masons
Odd night vig

Mafia
Doc
Goon
Goon

Is balanced.

Yeh, I noticed the worst's play makes sense as gunsmith.

[Creature]

also I think both neighbors are town

[Creature]

Creature I still luv you and I'm glad ur not scum

I was feeling bad about shooting you until you voted me and then I was happy cause you were scum and we could just lynch you in a gentlemanly manner

will you ever forgive me for misreading your tpr game?

Sure, I had misread you too.

[Creature]

I could see myself lynching Creature.

I'm mason.

[Creature]

It's gonna be a hammer on Crimson

[Creature]

lol that wasn't hammer

[Creature]

Some players like to develop a certain meta.

[Creature]

Also I hardly see someone ever hit L-1 nowadays anyway.

[Creature]

They get compromised.

[Creature]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Creature]

imo Mister Rogers' still town but let's see

[Creature]

Light Ethos does not have a gun btw

Why Ethos?

[Creature]

Are you saying we have like two investigative roles but one's pretty useful while the other more hurts than helps?

[Creature]

lol what?

[Creature]

Why is Naomi town again?

[Creature]

Well that’s an annoying fake claim

Why... would you do that Flavor Leaf?!

U mad bro?

[Creature]

So save me some time: Creature and Flavor fakeclaimed masons?
Who claimed first?

Flavor

[Creature]

Also who are you?

[Creature]

Still, don't understand why Flavor was killed over me if scum intended to kill masons. I thought I was more threatening.

[Creature]

lol NM's still alive

Inb4 he checked Flavor

[Creature]

VOTE: profii

[Creature]

Still, don't understand why Flavor was killed over me if scum intended to kill masons. I thought I was more threatening.

How are you more threatening when you've not even been playing? At least you now need to give us some feedback.

Sure, I'm feeling inspired.

[Creature]

Should I wait NM or not?

[Creature]

If you were scum and someone else was being mislynched

Why would you claim you're mason with them?

[Creature]

I didn't get a result

Vote: Not_Mafia

Bad vote. N_M isn't getting lynched in this game. (Why would scum claim to have not received a result? He could have said he checked FL like he said he would).

Wait, was NM told to check FL?

[Creature]

I mean yesterday

[Creature]

Because creature went with the lie and tried to ride it out

What?

[Creature]

Not_Mafia claims to have gotten no result. Other than being role blocked, what else would return no result?

Ascetic

Hey, I was town ascetic at Mini 2024 where Nauci was also in.

[Creature]

Scum!FL wasn't gonna fakeclaim mason to save town!me.

[Creature]

It's that sort of gambit I'm fine riding out.

[Creature]

Then why should I have outed he was lying?

[Creature]

What was more or less the context when the worst claimed?

[Creature]

-_-

[Creature]

You never saw town gambiting in your mafia career?

[Creature]

Who did mafia roleblocker roleblock N1?

[Creature]

If Not_Mafia is town, then we have Even-Cop, Odd-Vig, and Gunsmith and scum Roleblocker and daytalk.
That's a lot of cop power even with a roleblocker.

Not really.

Vigilante and cop are tweaked, while gunsmith can get false positives.

[Creature]

Sure

But I’ve also seen scum gambits

I’ve made my point - you obviously should be quite clear I don’t trust your gambit, see how the rest of the group go

Good luck with that, buddy.

[Creature]

Light Ethos does not have a gun btw

and Krazy's vig also succeeded

[Creature]

Now do you think it more likely that Rogers is his scum buddy?

His predecessor seemed very towny

[Creature]

P.S. FL was shot partially because he was the "confirmed townie" blocking the lynch of N_M.

Yeah, I also thought N_M was being set as a mislynch.

[Creature]

but no result confuses me.

[Creature]

I think FL was really threatening for scum this game.

[Creature]

Is profii still gonna push me + you as scumteam?

[Creature]

Very likely scum has a doctor and the worst N_M can do is somehow check the non-doctor.

[Creature]

Btw, on N1 I blocked Sasha (since I was very suspicious of him and no one else was, so I deduced he might be the one to do the NK).

I was also suspicious of him.

[Creature]

My scum team is profii+LE, but I'm not as confident on the latter.

Why LE over Gamma?

[Creature]

So who's scum?

[Creature]

My scum team is profii+LE, but I'm not as confident on the latter.

Why LE over Gamma?

Because N_M is alive and being set for a mislynch. Shooting N_M would have been fine for them, but shooting FL gets them rid of a strong townie who was never going to get lynched anyway and makes it possible for them to lynch N_M instead of shooting him. Now why would they want N_M flipped today if it wasn't to confirm his one and only result?

I'm just speculating because I don't fully understand what the scum team is doing right now.

If N_M is a mislynch he verified LE doesn’t have a gun though?

Crimson's claim probably indicates mafia doctor.

[Creature]

Too many pr’s for all to be town

Even Night Cop + GS + Vig + RB isn't "too many" if Scum have 2 PRs themselves, I don't think. I mean, judging by Stack the Deck open setup alone, town starts with 2 PRs and gets one for every additional one scum gets.

Stack the Deck is like two PRs vs two goons and traitor.

[Creature]

QFT but how did you know that he wasn't scum gambitting and wouldn't you have to call him out on it?

Reminder that I can always retract it.

[Creature]

If you were scum and someone else was being mislynched

Why would you claim you're mason with them?

But he claimed mason with you

I mean in FL's POV.

[Creature]

My PoV is: there was no reason for scum!FL to fakeclaim that so there's no problem going along with his gambit that prevented two potential mislynches.

[Creature]

Enough tinfoiling?

[Creature]

Like the whole argument is "if creature was town he would've pointed out the lie"

[Creature]

Creature - who is town for the defence by a50, can explain this more if that doesn’t make sense

I am town only because you think A50 is scum spewing me town?

[Creature]

The Gunsmith is an information role that can target a player at Night to learn if they have a gun in flavor. Members of the

Mafia (that are not Doctors)

, Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor. Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns.

[Creature]

Is it that hard to check the wiki?

[Creature]

Also likely mafia doctor can kill but still be checked as no gun.

[Creature]

Not liking the ignorance here. It's like scum are trying to derpclear themselves.

[Creature]

Still, you putting zero effort on searching how gunsmith and scum doctor works is pretty bad.

[Creature]

And Gamma is confirmed Town to me now. profii persistently pushing there makes me believe this.

Is Gamma conftown just because of profii?

[Creature]

So, that should be Creature+Gamma+N_M+Myself+Naomi

I can agree on me + you + N_M + Naomi being all town.

[Creature]

Why wouldn’t your reaction be “wtf lynch all liars”

Mine would be, but I'm not experienced enough to know if that's how things generally go.

Not_Mafia claims to have gotten no result. Other than being role blocked, what else would return no result?

Yeah, this post is bad.

[Creature]

Still, Light Ethos isn't worth lynching today. Probably have him as roleblock target if we lynch non-doctor scum.

[Creature]

What if profii is town?

[Creature]

idk, a scum doctor flip confirms LE. And also we don't know what's the other scum's role.

[Creature]

Are we still following a claim order?

[Creature]

I'm VT

[Creature]

Full gamestate analysis of all remaining players -- FULL GAME HISTORY -- incoming once I am off work. I am SICK of all the BS where at least one of my townreads is scum this game.

Let's analyze each player, their potential to be town or scum and re-examine this thing from the ground up.

Cool

[Creature]

Then walk alone at the end of a rope and I suggest everyone join me in voting this joker. Either he reveals or gravity will force him out.

Vote: Not_Mafia

Oh nvm

[Creature]

I only policy lynch scum.

[Creature]

idrk about nolynching

[Creature]

Yeh, thinking we should nolynch

[Creature]

Let's just VOTE: nolynch

[Creature]

Still, why did NM check LE again?

[Creature]

Thinking about just lynching him and blaming if it costs us the game.

[Creature]

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

• is Mafia-aligned
  
• knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
  
• identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
  
• cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
  
• is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
  
• gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an
  "innocent" result to Gunsmiths
  , and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

Most likely explanation for the no kill: Rogers is scum, 3rd scum is a traitor.

Traitor feels townsided

[Creature]

This game is getting too painfully boring

[Creature]

I confess at some point I even forgot I was playing this game

[Creature]

I'm not feeling like nolynching anymore

[Creature]

Rogers, but I'm waiting his replacement

[Creature]

haven't thought yet.

Akarin seems to be derping and you're doing better rn

[Creature]

Me too

[Creature]

still, I feel like Rogers' slot is more likely to be scum

[Creature]

am getting impatient waiting replacements

[Creature]

The sponsors are taking too long

[Creature]

Akarin has...

No gun

Then why is Akarin scum?

[Creature]

Cool

Anyone up to wait another week for NM to share his result?

[Creature]

No he's pushing a fake guilty..

Wait did he claim his result?

[Creature]

Are we nolynching again?

[Creature]

It's still gonna be a 50/50 if N_M is claiming a guilty on Alonzo

[Creature]

Likely Not_Mafia will at most just confirm the presence of a scum doctor tonight if he isn't scum, but whatever.

[Creature]

VOTE: nolynch

[Creature]

So basically if no kill happens tonight it will result in a draw?

[Creature]

3 days of no action being taken results in a draw/everyone losing. It doesn’t count if at least one side is still taking actions towards their wincon e.g. investigations, shooting a bulletproof

Oh damn

[Creature]

Did night already end?

[Creature]

I’m gonna vote Alonzo.

All in favour? Against?

idk, wouldn't do rn.

[Creature]

Is there a role in this game that could give a gunsmith a False positive?

They both died N1.

[Creature]

Okay, I'm here

[Creature]

I'd love a TLDR version of this game from your POV's

@Akarin
@Creature

Well, I feel confident enough profii is town

[Creature]

I'd love a TLDR version of this game from your POV's

@Akarin
@Creature

Wow, what bunch of Plebs.

Intent to vote Alonzo in the next 24 hours.

I think this looks bad for N_M and Akarin

[Creature]

It's been 21 days since it was a good idea to say anything productive, that's on everybody.

No. It's on Not_Mafia. He has been trolling us by wasting time. We are in MyLo with a claimed Gunsmith, and nobody has died for a few days. One of these things is happening:

1. Not_Mafia is scum and has been trolling us for days, needlessly wasting our time when if he directs us to a mislynch, we lose.

2. Not_Mafia is town, and scum has been purposefully burning through my bulletproof charges the past few days.

3. Not_Mafia is town, and scum has failed two kills.
4. Not_Mafia is town, and scum has elected to no kill to increase the chances of a mislynch in MyLo.

4 is implausible to me. I'm leaning toward accepting that there is a scum doctor this game and that Not_Mafia is town to explain why he's still alive. If this truly is scum!Not_Mafia, this game was a great way to earn some lasting ill will from the other players in the game for dragging it out this long for no good reason.

Of the four possibilities I listed, I think 2 would make the most sense.

So here's my problem: considering all of these cases, Not_Mafia still continues to troll. I find it highly unlikely that both of the remaining scum players are undetectable to Not_Mafia. This game would go so much more quickly if he would simply give his night results at the beginning of the day instead of trolling it out.

There's this, but I don't know why scum!N_M wouldn't do the same.

[Creature]

I should probably check the two days before though because scum has been doing that the previous two nights.

[Creature]

Not hammering

[Creature]

Fine

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Creature]

Still town?

[Creature]

Anyone here?