Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Nauci]

I can't engage with you on

every single

post Nancy

But seriously tw, you know I adore you but if you honestly don’t think you have the proper timr to sort slots in this game, perhaps you should either hydra with someone or even consider replacing out. Your reads and votes, have an important effect in the game and it honestly isn’t fair to the rest of the playerbase, if you’re just too swamped, stressed out and busy to pay proper attention to the game until late December. :/

booooo

hiissssss

(ok this is the longest I've stayed up through jetlag so my brain is VERY done efforting today; I can't even articulate why I am ever so lightly leaning town on xtoxm right now)

pedit @mitillos: fair

[Nauci]

So, maybe, it’s really the V/LA thing and you don’t really have time to properly read the game. Okay, @tw, I’ll cut you slack on that until you’re no longer V/A. Deal?

That'll be late December and I'd be pretty surprised if we're both still alive then but when there's less stuff to focus on I think I'm going to be able to sort you better

@Nauci

You really think I’m offbase here? How exactly?

If you genuinely think not having the bandwidth to properly and

fully

engage with/read

just your slot

for just ~2 weeks is somehow worth requesting someone who's still reading and posting replace out, then you genuinely have a rude and awful idea.

[Nauci]

But when you literally tell me, you can’t sort me properly until late December, that obviously gives me cause for concern.

I don't have the bandwidth to sort through your massive ISO until later game-day phases either

[Nauci]

i don't feel like i've concentrated on it nearly as much as you think i have)

I said you under-commented on it and dismissed the possible rammifications compared to my expectations

[Nauci]

the fact that i'm good at both of these and the fact people are townreading me here is not exactly scum-indicative, but rather seems to be fuel for your paranoia

Other people's reads on you aren't fueling it; the fact that I've not grokked your posting as much and had an unsettled feeling about your posting did. The only difference was that others' reads led me to post my partially gestated theory early.

[Nauci]

Ngl I can read Nauci's scumcase and be like "oh. yeah I felt this too." but also confidently say that I think skitter is a lot more likely to be town than scum.

Shit I wrote the damn thing and I and think this

[Nauci]

Still think this*

Idk how a 2nd and made it in there but it was just after I woke up at like 430 AM

[Nauci]

I think we're overthinking this.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

The game state was so weird I felt like I needed to start exploring zanier ideas

[Nauci]

(I feel until then she was holding back(?), or we were witnesssing a Nauci impersonator),

I think you should take my words at face value that I've been burned out and trying to get away from the wall posting stuff. Yesterday was the first time I cracked open my laptop for anything at all. It should be easy to read me this game because I've been interacting in real time excessively; it's a lazy approach to continue to only see me as town when I perfectly simulate my meta, instead of for my actual thoughts and point of view which have been transparent as air all game.

[Nauci]

This post surprised me:

But seriously tw, you know I adore you but if you honestly don’t think you have the proper timr to sort slots in this game, perhaps you should either hydra with someone or even consider replacing out. Your reads and votes, have an important effect in the game and it honestly isn’t fair to the rest of the playerbase, if you’re just too swamped, stressed out and busy to pay proper attention to the game until late December. :/

I don’t like this from AlmostNancy

Just gut-read it as scum talking to town.

I thought this was a rude post but one that more likely comes from frustrated town

I'm not sure if any scum would just goad one of the game's top town reads and active players about replacing out, but it's plausible that someone frustrated with and focused on the microcosm of TW reading them would have this moment

[Nauci]

VOTE: not_mafia

[Nauci]

Not mafia will flip green.

VOTE: xtom

Only person being voted I dont mind being lynched

Who of those not being voted would you lynch

[Nauci]

Oh, actually it's L-2, because Nauci is doing shenanigans. Carry on.

I have a dream

That one of these days

Town! Irrelephant or I will successfully do a reaction test

[Nauci]

@Keyser: I've been called controlled and measured (even robotic) before. People were reacting to my posting style. Please, consider the possibility that you are doing the same.

Reundo redo: electric boogaloo

[Nauci]

Not mafia will flip green.

VOTE: xtom

Only person being voted I dont mind being lynched

Who of those not being voted would you lynch

You. I dont think you're genuinely trying to get a read on me. Especially after the miscommunication thing. Seemed to be ignoring it and pushing a narrative of my mislynch

I said that it was only a component of my read on you

Also the way it happened, even if misinterpretation, wasn't great

[Nauci]

What's the asterisk mean?

It means I pasted the list from the OP

[Nauci]

@Kokichi: Consider my vote as in a quantum state of being on every one of those five players. I will observe and collapse the wavefunction when there is a good consolidated wagon, as opposed to this splitting up into three.

What do you teach?

[Nauci]

I apologize for GAF about this game.

Do you find it reasonable to expect everyone to have time to engage every player without break, or request replacement?

Normally I'd be against people taking 2 week vacations joining but it seemed clear tw was going to be LA more than V

[Nauci]

you & Keys really do have similar post style. Go figure.

What

Mitillos posts like a math professor

Keyser posts like a Hogwarts one

[Nauci]

how he is misreading me here

The same reason I've ever seen him misreading people who are in their view obvtowning—by having enormous respect for their prowess and therefore paranoia of their scum skill being lvl99 and/or full obvtown capacity being so high that not playing out of this world is scumming

[Nauci]

At least he unvoted

[Nauci]

VOTE: Kokichi

Let's lynch this.

K
VOTE: Kokichi

VOTE: Kokichi
Also still fine with this.

I'm not moving because St the moment I have a surprisingly high confidence in scum reading nm

[Nauci]

I know no one is listening to me but I think both Kokichi and NM could be town here.

I know you've defended kokichi but remind me of your town case on NM?

[Nauci]

The fact you claimed

Oh

I took it as an emphasis-by-way-of-sarcasm joke claim

[Nauci]

AN has the longest and most emotional OMGUS posts in this game

[Nauci]

like i said last night ... you're very pre-occupied about how people read you, and that seems to be your major focus this game. and like unless you literally think he's scum for scumreading you - who cares what his read on you is; let him figure it out in his own time

Tbqh I've been very perplexed about this pattern but I don't have any meta on Nancy to contextualize

[Nauci]

You said Koki wasn't doing those things, but he's doing the same things here, so that just sounded like defending kokichi.
I was moderating THAT game so it's still fresh in memory.

How on Earth is he not asking questions, engaging, or providing a read?

He IS in THIS game. What part of what I’ve been saying is going over your head?

But to be fair I think Nancy might be the victim of the most post misreads all game and I'd be mad too

[Nauci]

VOTE: Mewtaph
sup

We're on the clock buddeh, vote NM with us

[Nauci]

Apparently I'm on fucking crazy pills to not know why NM's 11 parts are obvtown af

[Nauci]

I'm getting 3 sick foster kittens! Expect less from me because I'm going to have a hectic feeding/meds/cleaning schedule to fit my sleep around

[Nauci]

This is identical to some of the NM scum games I've seen (like 3/5?)

[Nauci]

Aren't ya glad I waited to let you pagetop

[Nauci]

I've yet to incorrectly read NM, so maybe that will sway you, Nancy.

The problem with N_M is that he's not actually scumhunting. And when he's town, he actually scumhunts.

Scum NM is frequently given clearance to coast and takes advantage of it

We gave him a lot of room here

Then when he's finally pressured I've seen mafia not mafia just start trolling really hard as a response because he hasn't actually paid attention

[Nauci]

I've yet to incorrectly read NM, so maybe that will sway you, Nancy.

The problem with N_M is that he's not actually scumhunting. And when he's town, he actually scumhunts.

Scum NM is frequently given clearance to coast and takes advantage of it

We gave him a lot of room here

Then when he's finally pressured I've seen mafia not mafia just start trolling really hard as a response because he hasn't actually paid attention

If I wasn't busy cradeling Dwayen "The Cat" Johnson I'd try to link relevant game parts but I thought Mini Normal 2030 was peak scum NM and scum Creature play

[Nauci]

Weren't*

[Nauci]

Can you help me understand why you're scumreading Mew?

Because. He isnt acting like last game. Tough to explain

Also. Lol. You can just say you're sheeping skitter instead of conveniently misguiding other players towards your read accuracy in your personal interpretation of events (same with the A50 hydra head for making awful pre-flip association post in both games).

Tbqh I've liked this last set of mew posts

[Nauci]

@Kokichi: Because your claim seems incredibly contrived, and your resistance to revealing the flavour (even after being asked repeatedly) is telling of someone who is bullshitting and simply trying to get by on that alone. So here is an ultimatum: tell us the flavour that goes with your D2 IC on your next post, or be permanently scumread.

It's going to be awkward when you're scumreading the confirmed town.

It's really not, when you've been making tons of scummy posts and he's had no way of knowing the veracity of your claim

Like it's reads 101 that town misreading town isn't scum indicative

[Nauci]

Irrelephant, Shoshin: reads list before EOD?

[Nauci]

So I talked to mod. He said end of day 2.

When'd he say that?

[Nauci]

Krazy usually isn't active on site in the time span kokichi could have received that ridiculous message though

But idk how much I should put into that sort of thing

[Nauci]

Oh jeez

[Nauci]

I think reasons to not believe kokichi's claim outnumber the reasons to believe by like 8:1

[Nauci]

I hope to see all of my town reads tomorrow

Stay alive y'all

[Nauci]

Jesus H Christ it's a massacre

VOTE: Performer

[Nauci]

I haven't begun to fathom what these night results mean and what interactions resulted in them

But let's deal with Performer first

[Nauci]

Why Performer?

I didn't like that hammer at all

[Nauci]

Wait does that mean one of the scum actually have/had BP and shot Irrelephant

I'M SORRY I GAVE THEM THE IDEA

SHIT

[Nauci]

Keyser you better participate a lot today mmk

[Nauci]

Idk if it's THE scummiest thing because it was relatively close to deadline but I think we definitely could have waited longer for a claim

[Nauci]

D2 with 3 TPR down makes me a very sad panda

[Nauci]

I suppose that takes Creature out of my POE

I'm on a mission to sort Performer and Keyser today

If creature couldn't have tried to shoot Irrelephant, then there must have been some sort of BP mechanic because even roleblockers would get shot by a PGO, right? My wild speculation is that a 3rd party SK would get BP and scum would have taken a shot at Creature?

Despite having such a strong cluster of players this game who are probably town, I'm really worried now, down both a vig and a protective TPR :/

[Nauci]

Other possibility is that there was an odd-night town vig who shot our even night vig because he was in a lot of people's POE pool :/

[Nauci]

It's not about the blame for mislynching it's not commenting or allowing a claim

[Nauci]

Why assume another vig instead of an sk?

Like I hope there are still tpr but I think every other night stuff is usually to balance roles and have hardly ever seen there be even and odd for the same thing

[Nauci]

How does scum kill a PGO and still live then?

I suppose that takes Creature out of my POE

I'm on a mission to sort Performer and Keyser today

If creature couldn't have tried to shoot Irrelephant, then there must have been some sort of BP mechanic because even roleblockers would get shot by a PGO, right? My wild speculation is that a 3rd party SK would get BP and scum would have taken a shot at Creature?

Despite having such a strong cluster of players this game who are probably town, I'm really worried now, down both a vig and a protective TPR :/

[Nauci]

Why assume another vig instead of an sk?

Like I hope there are still tpr but I think every other night stuff is usually to balance roles and have hardly ever seen there be even and odd for the same thing

How does scum kill a PGO and still live then?

If we think creature got vigged, which seems the most likely option, then town has 3 different killing roles. Scum would surely have a protective of their own in this case, and opted to remove the pgo before they risk their protective getting lynched. I suppose it's theoretically possible the odd night vig killed irre and had protection from the odd night doc, but this seems less likely to me.

I'm sad that one of my 2 solid reads in this game appears to have been vigged.

This is absurd

There's no way that there's 4 killing roles? We could've had decided lylo or something lol

[Nauci]

then why would scum kill Creature

Scum frequently hunt for to n1

[Nauci]

I mean I'm assuming Mewtaph is the odd night vig. He might as well claim if so, it's that obvious...

???

[Nauci]

I was wrong. Get over it.

If you mean, I’ll be ignoring your reads in this game, show me why tf I shouldn’t?

You help push through a mislynch - one that Kokichi and I told you would flip green and now, you inexplicably townlock that mislynch’s strongest scumread?

???

She and others have town locked tw for a long time

Also I'm not sure if most people have ever put that much stock in NM's reads :/

But this game did teach me a little on how to read him I think

I just assume he's kinda trolling most of the time to preserve his impossible to read meta

[Nauci]

You help push through a mislynch - one that Kokichi and I told you would flip green and now

I can't fathom your motivation or perspective for declaring so confidently that NM was town, or that there's something dramatically telling about whether or not someone's day 1 read on an infamously unreadable player. Town aren't afraid to mislynch; it's a matter of how hard we tried to figure out who was scum, even if we're not wrong?

Like, aren't scum more likely to be on successful d1 scum lynches than town lynches?

[Nauci]

you’re voting for someone who actually tried to stop a mislynch

1: so many lynches were on the table yesterday that arguing dramatically against any one of them wouldn't at all mean there wouldn't be a mislynch of someone else

2: scum usually keep NM and other lynchbaity players alive for longer because it gives them lots of cover, and especially try to drive paranoia about townier people in earlier days

[Nauci]

B) you’re completely ignoring NM’s extremely confident reads. It’s not like you actually seriously considered it and LOGICALLY decided against it, you won’t even consider the possibility for a nanosecond.

Have you not played with NM much?

Like, you'd have to link me several games where NM tunneled people as town and was accurate

It'd have to outnumber the times he tunneled people as scum for me to understand why you think it's so ridiculous for people to have scum read him yesterday AND that we should put so much weight into his reads as town

[Nauci]

Performer is by far the scummiest player this game.

Is this based just on those 2 awful votes or other stuff in his posts? If the latter, what stuff?

[Nauci]

She’s either scum herself or pocketed.

I've seen town shoshin appear to tunnel town hard until something finally convinced her otherwise though

[Nauci]

the worst, Nancy is scum. Please trust me on this.

I actually think you may possibly be clueless town here afterall because you wouldn’t want to be responsible for pushing 2 mislynches back to back.

Because, no one in this game will townread you after my flip. So if you’re actually town here, you don’t want to be the 3rd mislynch following me, I hope?

Are you townreading this defense, the worst? It's entirely fear-based reasoning (i.e. "don't lynch me because when I flip town you're going to be mislynched too"). Extremely manipulative.

I think that so many of her posts have had this sort of AtE nature that it's a playstyle thing

[Nauci]

@Shoshin: I can answer why she townread N_M, and I already did (because she already explained it, herself). I cannot answer whether her reasoning fits her town meta. As for throwing shade at your slot, tempers are high, what with us lynching a doctor. I can accept such things as coming from town generally. If Nancy is not capable of these things as town, that's another story, but I don't have the meta for this suggestion.
When I made reference to empty "he's town" posts, I didn't mean just those words. I meant half-hearted non-effort at explaining or defending N_M. I'm defending her because I think that your reasoning for scumreading her is fallacious. I don't like fallacious reasoning. I don't like fallacious reasoning even when it comes to a conclusion I agree with. In fact, as town I once defended another player against fallacious accusations, and made my own case against him in the same post (and caught a lot of flak for doing this).

@AlNan: No, I honestly don't think there is anything there indicating Shoshin-scum. Her attack on you can easily come from town, and is not completely unreasonable. I just think that you're town and that she's honestly mistaken.

You and reundo need to play together

(That's a compliment)

[Nauci]

Like, let's recap the end of D1. You've got multiple townies pushing NM (me, Irrelephant, the worst, Nauci). There's no scum on the wagon at this point. With a bunch of strong town voices pushing NM, why would scum vote him? Why not let town implode on itself while townreading him? That's my first thought looking back. So I'm looking to see who was avoiding the wagon and why. Performer/Mew/Creature were voting Creature. I don't see those players actually defending NM, though. They're not looking for town credit. Then there's Koki. He's throwing out townreads on NM, in the same way he tends to play as either alignment. It's null for him. And then there's Nancy, strongly calling NM ton for reasons that don't square at all with her normal way of thinking as town. It's completley out of character for her. And then she opens D2 suddenly trying to discredit me for the rest of the game because of one mislynch and casting suspicion on me for things that she'd never suspect me for as town (i.e. ignoring NM's reads). To me, that feels like scum who is trying to take advantage of the fact that they townread a mislynched player while trying to create more mislynching options among players who were strongly townread on D1. It's the ideal scum strategy of breaking up the strong town core of myself, the worst, Nauci, especially now that Irrelephant is dead and he's not around to defend me anymore.

That's where I'm at. I have a difficult time ever seeing Nancy flip town here. If nobody wants to lynch her until LYLO, fine, whatever. I'll be pushing her until she's dead.

IDK if Nancy is scum but shoshin is town here, final answer

[Nauci]

Didn’t expect Relly and Creature to die... but think their deaths help out our PoE.

Did literally anyone have Irrelephant in their poe

[Nauci]

You know who else had conviction? NM. *mic drop*

You have some awful lines of logic

Not everyone is NM. Not everyone behaves or thinks like NM. Shoshin or TW or you having conviction means something entirely different than a player who is as readable as tea leaves

It's like all of your posts have the logic of saying Burt Reynolds must be a Nazi because you know who else had a moustache? Hitler.

[Nauci]

I think this is the most obvtown I've been except maybe for out synergy in Labyrinth?

Don't know anything about labyrinth but this is the towniest that you have ever towned

And I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of scum you after having managed to dunk it that many times

[Nauci]

Post is scummy cause no one was going to quick lynch him. Post seems forced

I don't know if I'd go that far but I definitely reacted to that with "wtf why would you assume we would quick Lynch" and almost responded

[Nauci]

Shoshin/me w/w in particular never kills Rel
If you don't expressly townread both of us you're mad to think we are ever scum together

lol seriously...

Hey guys do we invite skitter to the block

[Nauci]

You townlocking tw, after NM flip, is what’s pinging me and why would you ever in a million years ever ignore the extremely confident read of a dead townie.

Irrelephant town locked TW and shoshin

[Nauci]

Spiderverse was really good, probably one of my favorite animated movies ever made.

Also, some shit happened that's really soured me on playing mafia so I might just replace out here since I'm having trouble keeping up. :/

I'm hyped to see it

And I'm sorry about whatever thing happened

[Nauci]

So, when I flip, I will be one dead townie who’s reads shouldn’t be ignored.

Fairly confident that this is TvT and I have to stop engaging with Nancy for the sake of everyone's blood pressure and not spamming the thread

[Nauci]

If TW were scum this game there's no way he could even contain his excitement about convincing THIS group of players that he's town

It'd have been oozing into every post by page 50

[Nauci]

I thought you didn't mislynch people?
What's the deal?

...What kind of question is this ?

Did you miss like 25 pages of this game where Varsoon was satirizing multiple players' very early town reads on shoshin

[Nauci]

You’re missing the point. He quoted a very similar post by me and implied it was scummy. It’s the hypocrisy part of it, which pinged me.

I dunno. Hypocrisy is usually town unless there's a clear scum motive.

Why is it usually town?

Scum tend to be more self-conscious of what they're doing, which tends to make them more self-aware of acting hypocritically. Scum act hypocritically when they're pushing an agenda, but otherwise hypocrisy usually comes from town.

This is some MathDino shit right here

Which means I agree

[Nauci]

then why would scum kill Creature

Scum frequently hunt for to n1

???

Dangit autocorrect

Tpr d1*

[Nauci]

Didn’t expect Relly and Creature to die... but think their deaths help out our PoE.

Did literally anyone have Irrelephant in their poe

No, so, I don’t see how either death helps clarify anything.

Creature was in a few people's POE but I extremely doubt that town had 2 vig and a pgo

Like I feel like the creature kill has to have been a TPR hunt

[Nauci]

I'm not an odd night vigilante if that's what some people are waiting on.

I understand Nancy's core concern here but am kind of looking at Mitillos in terms of the most AI content in that exchange.

Also soft resetting on some of my reads the flips re: Irrelephant + Creature, a scum flip on N_M would have been great but you can't have everything I suppose. Honestly I feel like people are ignoring why I misread Creature's approach towards me and Performer as scummy and I think the reason why is because there are too many people that are kind of swaying in the same kind of area on me "nullish green" or "???" with not enough differentiation that I'm finding it hard to separate the slots as players rather than a feeling towards a group of players. Conveniently it's a nice, lazy place to sit on any read as both town and scum so it would be nice if you could help differentiate your read in a stronger, more pertinent way somehow.

Are you saying that your reads of us are dependent mostly on our reads of you?

[Nauci]

NVM I think I misread that

Mew I don't understand how you could possibly have a lot of this game near null right now

[Nauci]

I'm so sad Irrelephant claimed yesterday lol

Btw

Going to go ahead and throw down a big'ole FOS on Keyser at this point

So little meaningful content from a normally powerhouse player

Anyway my town block is skitter30/shoshin/tw/Nancy, and lynchpool is performer/Keyser/mew for today

[Nauci]

I'm not an odd night vigilante if that's what some people are waiting on.

I understand Nancy's core concern here but am kind of looking at Mitillos in terms of the most AI content in that exchange.

Also soft resetting on some of my reads the flips re: Irrelephant + Creature, a scum flip on N_M would have been great but you can't have everything I suppose. Honestly I feel like people are ignoring why I misread Creature's approach towards me and Performer as scummy and I think the reason why is because there are too many people that are kind of swaying in the same kind of area on me "nullish green" or "???" with not enough differentiation that I'm finding it hard to separate the slots as players rather than a feeling towards a group of players. Conveniently it's a nice, lazy place to sit on any read as both town and scum so it would be nice if you could help differentiate your read in a stronger, more pertinent way somehow.

Are you saying that your reads of us are dependent mostly on our reads of you?

No. Soft reset does not mean hard reset and also doesn't mean "town read everyone that is willing to call me town".

P-edit: Most of my reads are pretty heavy on the town leans.

I swear to God all of your words say nothing

You're like Ms. Swan from Mad TV

SCUM LOOKA LIKA MANNNNN

[Nauci]

I'm not an odd night vigilante if that's what some people are waiting on.

I understand Nancy's core concern here but am kind of looking at Mitillos in terms of the most AI content in that exchange.

Also soft resetting on some of my reads the flips re: Irrelephant + Creature, a scum flip on N_M would have been great but you can't have everything I suppose. Honestly I feel like people are ignoring why I misread Creature's approach towards me and Performer as scummy and I think the reason why is because there are too many people that are kind of swaying in the same kind of area on me "nullish green" or "???" with not enough differentiation that I'm finding it hard to separate the slots as players rather than a feeling towards a group of players. Conveniently it's a nice, lazy place to sit on any read as both town and scum so it would be nice if you could help differentiate your read in a stronger, more pertinent way somehow.

Well. This is strange, because I was expecting you to have come in to claim that.
Because if we're not the vigs, there is no way I believe there are 2 sks here. At the same time, scum cant possibly be that dense to have killed irrel, which at least 1 person has suggested that scum killed irrel.

I don't understand any of your premises or conclusions

[Nauci]

Why wouldn't scum use some sort of save early on to take out a player that half the game has described as extremely great when they can guarantee that their protective status is working

Like, scum Keyser absolutely would have had Irrelephant shot if they had a protective

So would an SK (and imo SKs are more likely to get something like BP or some other sort of modifier—especially if it's true that they don't get ninja). Creature is a more classic scum kill I'd expect from scum thinking he was a TPR because he was in that scum-hunting-but-more-low-key zone that TPR often hover at

[Nauci]

While I'm not sure if I understand everything you just said

If the flavor is bunkered SCV for 1sbp, I like Krazy even more than I already did and that was already mildly creepy mafia-crush level

[Nauci]

I think that creature's sureness about there being a 3rd party may have been enough of a crumb to signal he had additional information of some sort and may be a tpr to a discerning scum

VOTE: Keyser Söze

[Nauci]

I just remembered that scum were given fake claims

Ok I don't feel any better about performer

[Nauci]

I just remembered that scum were given fake claims

Ok I don't feel any better about performer

i mean it could be a real claim, and he could have used it to kill irrel

nothing inherently townie about the claim

Only part I thought was particularly town was the flavor until I remembered fake ones were provided

[Nauci]

Skitter, shoshin, tw, mitillos: let's talk about Keyser

Also, AN: how much experience do you guys have with Keyser?

[Nauci]

What are your thoughts, Nauci?

I'm puzzled and distressed that he's been so quiet and unlike his town or scum self and don't know what to make of it

[Nauci]

Who exactly is your PoE lovely?

I don’t think we lynch the claimed IC today unfortunately (their behaviour since their claim has actually been the time I’ve started to suspect them).

Here’s my current PoE:

NULLISH GREEN : Mit, Mew, Skitter

NULL: Creature, N_M

I have been thinking about your PGO claim too:- it makes more sense as coming from town, as it only works in your favour as scum on the short term, not longterm (long term you wouldn’t escape a policy lynch debate). I don’t see it as a fake claim for a one shot unlynchable scum either. You’d basically be banking on everyone town reading you...

Skitter, shoshin, tw, mitillos: let's talk about Keyser

Also, AN: how much experience do you guys have with Keyser?

Me, none but I just ISO’d him and he was

heavily

scumreading both Irrelephant11 and Creature fwiw.

:Thinking:

[Nauci]

LHF

People keep using this

What is lhf

[Nauci]

@Nauci: Performer is the scummiest because he was already the scummiest (per my previous reads), and then he added the hammer. The same case from yesterday holds and is augmented. I can easily see a scum bp being given a town bp fakeclaim, so I don't believe his claim. I'm also not liking how his claim came at L-2, without prompting. It looks overeager.
I don't really have much to add about Keyser. I'm still townreading him.

@Nauci and worst: I don't know this reundo person, but thanks for the compliments.

What do you think Performer's motivation could have been for hammering that way?

[Nauci]

Why do you think he'd be less careful about his votes if he's scum?

[Nauci]

And what do you think of his "crumbs" post?

Or that he paid special attention to when I post about how scum might shoot Irrelephant if they had a shot of bp?

[Nauci]

I'll put it this way. If I had control over this game state, then I would never defer to a PoE process before having both time and energy to exhaustively sort slots independently.

The concept behind PoE suggests that by definition, lynching everyone in the PoE will eventually win the game because everyone outside of the PoE are lock towns.

I will say that Not_Mafia was LHF and in any case, it is clear that scum, no matter where they were positioned in read lists, was using that as a resource for an easy lynch. Creature was probably not actually an easy lynch so that's mislabelling on my part for most players.

I am suggesting that there is probably 1 or more scum outside of the PoE. Another town flip on the PoE would semi-self confirm to me that continuing to carry out the PoE is something I disapprove of in principle.

And I don't want any "but wait! scum derailed the wagon if the wagon ended on town! Let's lynch again!" if it happens again on D2.

Annoying that my post got blocked for flow but whatever.

I don't understand this reframing of the method

PoE means that we have very strong town reads, and never ynch there

It obviously doesn't mean that we stop trying to evaluate the rest

And mislynching does not in any way invalidate the strategy of lynching outside of strong town reads

Wtf?

Like how are you getting this whole narrative from the shorthand word for having-evaluated-several-people-and-determined-that-they-are-town-so-now-evaluate-the-remaining-players

[Nauci]

Those of us inside the "poe" have seen the first one flip town, know our own alignment and see another claiming ic. If performer flips scum and koki doesn't get confirmed then ok but it's really looking like the poe is bs from where I'm standing

PoE call only be bs if you think that some of our strong town reads are scum

Otherwise anyone still in the pool just needs to work harder to town post

Who do you think of the strong town reads are scum if you think this is BS?

[Nauci]

V/LA for 3 days as I replay the WoL campaign (kidding)

I'm kinda basically waiting for Keyser to "show up" in this game before I feel like any progression can happen for my reads

I'm having a really hard time reading AN because all of the most memorable posts to me are the ones berating or being angry at people and not the analysis posts besides the ones FOSing people for FOSing them

Maybe I'll tackle that ISO eventually

[Nauci]

Performer why would you crumb your flavor instead of your role

[Nauci]

My last PoE rant was addressed at you specifically

[Nauci]

Skitter has also been hard to sort and even had no thoughts on Keys after 100+ pages, which is just unreal if town.

It's not out of the ordinary for town skitter30

In American Presidents she wasn't sure of Keyser/Irrelephant/my alignment until I finally outed my Neapolitan green checks on the other 2

[Nauci]

How would you know well enough if anyone would quickhammer or not , you yourself said you haven't played in a very long time - so that just sounds not genuine. I'd rather claim which I did, then let myself be wrongly lynched.

I can't tell if this is a genuine sentiment

It seemed like a pretty good educated guess that people in this game are against lolhammering

[Nauci]

Skitter, shoshin, tw, mitillos: let's talk about Keyser

Also, AN: how much experience do you guys have with Keyser?

Me, none but I just ISO’d him and he was heavily scumreading both Irrelephant11 and Creature fwiw.

FTR: I came round as probtown on Relly the second half of D1...

RE: Creature: I didn’t like all the strong town reads of Creature, but in no way was I actively “heavily scumreading him”.

This is what I was trying to point out with 2737; I thought it was odd that Nancy didn't use the most up to date reads, and even doubled down on using earlier posts after I mentioned it

But I'm not sure what to make of it, alignment wise

[Nauci]

@Nauci, you were the person, I referenced in my post as being mean. This is beginning to border on abusive now. I’m asking you nicely to stop and if you continue to either talk to me/or about me this way, I WILL report you. Don’t test me.

I think that many of your posts have had a combative feel or are just emotionally charged and have negative comments about people even if it's out of frustration. I always think it's rude be in principle to suggest to someone else that they replace out, but especially when that determination is solely based on them saying they might not have the bandwidth to read

just your slot

during early day phases. I think it's factual that you have suspected multiple people because you think it's so absurd to not town read you, which apparently several people disagree with because several people are struggling to read your slot.

It's a personal failing of mine that I'm remembering those more than other content and it's clouding my ability to remember your various reads and narratives from your slot, but I'm not sure what I've said about your slot that could be construed as abusive.

[Nauci]

@varsoon: What would make you think that this game has multiple factions besides that 2 players were shot to death? If there are multiple factions, would they be scum hunting each other? Would that make it easier for scum to appear to be hunting?

What are your current reads? What do you think of xtoxm's lack of posting today?

[Nauci]

Wait hold on are you saying we're missing a nk?

Oh

Oh damn

Hmm it's possible

It's also possible there's an infested terran with a gun ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'd not even considered the possibility of a kill having been prevented because 3 killers n1 is absurd and creature didn't die by PGO

[Nauci]

So what do you think of performer's claim then

[Nauci]

Roles like SK or traitor often get an advantage like a shot of bulletproof

Which is why I assumed that an SK shot Irrelephant and that scum shot creature because they thought (correctly) that he's a PR

[Nauci]

VOTE: performer

I don't understand how crumbing scv flavor could possibly allude to being a tpr

But I could see it being a scum train of thought

Also I don't think anyone here has played it enough to immediately recognise the butter my biscuit allusion, and I say that as someone who has every achievement and used to commentate sc2 esports

[Nauci]

I thought the campaign mechanics were pretty fun (but too easy; only really fun on brutal setting, especially if doing achievements), but the writing was hot garbage

I think that was -1 on performer guys

[Nauci]

UNVOTE:

He already claimed and I definitely don't want the day to end before more discussion

[Nauci]

You think he'd be fake claiming a shot of bp or someone else survived shooting a PGO some other way?

[Nauci]

Just realized something.

Was thinking over and over about the "no ninja" speculation from mitil. Starting to wonder if he is ascetic. Then, that makes sense since I am a town bp , so that creates wifom from the mod.

So, if there exists an ascetic - or even some sort of a scum bp along with town bp, that makes sense .
Mitil mentioned no ninja, and if he was ascetic scum or ascetic sk - that would be something plausible. Then I could see the claim of no ninja being possible.

There's likely a scum bp or scum ascetic somewhere, who killed irrel on n1.

want to hear his reply when he returns, because I have way too many scumreads.

Huh?

Walk me through how ninja and ascetic would be linked like that. Explain it like I'm 5.

[Nauci]

You think that being an ascetic would make it safe to say there are no ninja modifiers?

[Nauci]

Mitillos, how has Performer's posts influenced your view of him?

[Nauci]

Why two?

[Nauci]

I thought he offered his flavor because you purportedly have the ability to confirm whether it's an actual flavor in the game or a provided fake claim?

[Nauci]

What I call it, was not allowing you to get away with misrepping me - intentionally or unintentionally.

Misrepping?

I didn't even use words in that post; just quoted posts that were contrary to your assessment because I remembered those were his most recent read progression. I call that a correction, not a misrepresentation.

[Nauci]

Wait hold on are you saying we're missing a nk?

Oh

Oh damn

Hmm it's possible

It's also possible

there's an infested terran with a gun

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'd not even considered the possibility of a kill having been prevented because 3 killers n1 is absurd and creature didn't die by PGO

Wrt the bolded. Come again?

Zerg had the ability to infest Terran units and turn them into essentially zombie Zerg units. An infested terran has the ability to use guns instead of claws.

The flavors thus far have all been obviously good guys in the lore and the medic had an obvious correlation with the role so I'm pretty against flavor claiming.

[Nauci]

Role PMs have multiball/generic wording and the opening post says there is ~a~ mafia faction with daytalk so I feel like we're dealing with maybe mafia + SK

but irrelephant, as w Creature, was shot, so if the Zerg is a faction either they don't have a nightkill or they didn't kill last night...?

I'm saying it's probably something like

Evil Terrans

kill on Odd Nights with Bullets.
Zerg kill on Even Nights with Claws.
SK could be Protoss?

I'm not saying we're missing a kill, but that I think the different factions have a rotating kill with different flavor.
I also think that if there is an SK, they probably are bulletproof and shot our PGO.

So, you don’t think there could possibly be an odd night scumdoc in the setup?

“Evil Terrans”? I thought Terrans are supposed to be the good guys? *confused*

Starcraft (the original at least ) had very complex lore with multiple factions within each species, even the Zerg who are a hivemind

[Nauci]

VOTE: performer

I don't understand how crumbing scv flavor could possibly allude to being a tpr

But I could see it being a scum train of thought

Also I don't think anyone here has played it enough to immediately recognise the butter my biscuit allusion, and I say that as someone who has every achievement and used to commentate sc2 esports

Why?

It seems more likely to be something scum would try to concoct as a crumb than one planned to confirm a claim to me

[Nauci]

so the groupscum kill last night was probably on Creature I guess..? does NKA get us anywhere here? I really can't think of anyone but I can feel my interest fading and I want to stop that

I've been super busy but was thinking of combing creature's iso for tpr clues in case scum saw something I missed And shot him

[Nauci]

Protoss shoot lasers and use beam swords and lightning. They're... not really bullet-types.
Zerg? They can infect humans and control them, so it's possible that some Zerg have bullet-type flavor.
There are also just straight up Terran that are bad guys and they'd definitely have bullet-type flavor.

I still don’t understand. How are Terrans bad guys? *confuzzlement growning*

In the first Starcraft game, the Terran Confederacy is in a civil war.
https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Arcturus_Mengsk
https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Terran_Confederacy
https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Sons_of_Korhal
https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Alpha_Squadron

In the game, Terran characters like Duke and Jim Raynor are good guys, whereas Terran characters like Arcturus Mengsk are bad guys. Mengsk seems like a good guy at first, but he turns out to be using Psi Emitters to make the Zerg attack or show up in certain places and he has this policy of nuking entire planets. Mengsk betrays Jim Raynor and is successful in overthrowing the Confederacy and establishing the Terran Dominion in its place. At least, I am fairly sure that's the plot.

Anyway, SCV doesn't make any sense for a bulletproof claim, as they're your basic grunt worker units and one of the easiest units to kill. It makes sense as a fake-claim in a game where all the named roles are already taken, but it'd be vanilla town or some sort of enabler role in my mind.

Staaaaaaahp you're making me too nostalgic for brood war

I thought that scv-in-a-bunker would have been a hilarious appropriate flavor for a tpr that has no power except 1sbp, personally

This doesn't rule it out as a potential fake claim though

[Nauci]

I think the performer push has kinda run its course at this point; Varsoon, Mitillos, tell me about your view of d2 xtoxm

[Nauci]

VOTE: performer

I don't understand how crumbing scv flavor could possibly allude to being a tpr

But I could see it being a scum train of thought

Also I don't think anyone here has played it enough to immediately recognise the butter my biscuit allusion, and I say that as someone who has every achievement and used to commentate sc2 esports

I don't get the reference.
But I haven't played any of Starcraft 2.
Actually
Should I play it for the plot/story missions??


VOTE: Performer

I'm cool with this.

Why is his claim more likely to come from scum than town? You would be able to explain that better than anyone else here, I hope?

I don't understand why you (repeatedly? I thought I saw another instance at least) say he's the only one here who knows the lore when I've been discussing it as well and mentioned that I have every achievement in the game o_o I mean commentating it might not mean much to you but I played and watched the game enough to be essentially a sportscaster for professional competitive starcraft 2

[Nauci]

so the groupscum kill last night was probably on Creature I guess..? does NKA get us anywhere here? I really can't think of anyone but I can feel my interest fading and I want to stop that

Analysis of NKA would help me

Everyone: who do you think tried to kill who and why? Even wild speculation is fine.

[Nauci]

^notice how hard Nauci is working to save Performer

Notice how hard I'm working to chase up multiple leads and be thorough instead of use the whole day on someone who has already claimed, you mean? What is this bs shade? I helped lead the wagon on performer and didn't want an early end of day when players like you haven't really contributed sortable content yet

[Nauci]

In a 15p game a mislynch today could result in lylo tomorrow

How come you're not trying to game solve today, xtoxm? I had you even as a town lean yesterday because I thought you did put in some work but it feels like you've sat back a lot today flying under the radar

[Nauci]

I don't think there's any indication from creature's regular posting that he was crumbing

But his rvs entrance claimed survivor so maybe that was enough of a crumb/motivation

@krazy

would an ascetic or ninja modifier affect being shot at by a pgo?

[Nauci]

Because Perf's hammer on NM was a scumclaim to me and my view of the game from here depends on him flipping red, but I want to actually confirm that before I go any further.

You can lynch me if you want though I don't really give a shit.

You have no interest in interacting with him to see if you're right or find associatives, because he hammered with like ~5-6h remaining?

I mean he's squarely in my scum pile for reasons I've already mentioned but it's a waste of day to not pressing everywhere for sortable content

What conclusions would you draw from performer flipping red or flipping green?

[Nauci]

I personally thought it was the best place to investigate first because people would likely take issues with the -1 vote and the hammer

But I'm growing increasingly uncomfortable with the fact that mitillos was putting quite that much weight into the hammer, and now xtoxm as well

It just feels like an excuse to not analyze deeper

[Nauci]

Mitillos, what's your view on varsoon's unannounced -1 vote?

[Nauci]

Iirc, there are Terrans who are evil but they have to be infested by Zerg. Terrans are typically the good guys

No

Mengsk was an authoritarian dictator whose faction within terran was bad

Like he was the empire and Raynor was the head of the rebel alliance sorta (idk I don't know star wars lol)

[Nauci]

VOTE: Keyser Söze

[Nauci]

Mew seems to only participate when pushed but I found the participation less sketchy than kokichi at the time so I lost focus there

I'm not against pushing there but it was sort of a one at a time deal and it wasn't his time in the barrel yet until I felt like I had gotten more out of Keyser or xtoxm today. That's

my

reasoning for it at least.

My arms are all wobbly and my hands are shaking after a very deep dental anaesthesia injection for some reason and I don't know if I'll be able to post again today because wtf is happening yo i can't move my fingers accurately

[Nauci]

TIl they inject epinephrine with the lidocaine to make it last longer so I feel like I'm in full fight or flight lol

[Nauci]

VOTE: mewtaph

[Nauci]

Your entire gameplay consists of waiting for someone to pull the plunge for you; so why are you so afraid of making a concerted push of your own?

Are you implying that skitter30 would have single handedly swung enough momentum from the whole player list against you if she were only brave enough?

[Nauci]

You've lazily stated that the EOD wagons must have scum in it

You're lazily dismissing the idea that there was scum in one of the d1 wagons

[Nauci]

What's your reason for scoffing at the analysis that there is at least one scum among the competing wagons from d1

[Nauci]

VOTE: Mewtaph
I'm cool with this as what strikes me as a deliberate move away from Performer

Sorry I'm confused about your wording here: you like the fact that this is a move away from performer as in you're town reading him? Or something else? I feel like I'm reading this incorrectly

[Nauci]

Have you considered casing someone yourself

[Nauci]

Okay, yup. Now I can only phone post while tired while skitter can obviously come up with something especially if they give themselves a 5000 word directive to follow in every response post. So I'll keep it short and sweet - if they can't answer that question without loading it with a bunch of BS, I see no reason for me to be anything but continually apathetic about the game state.

Not even your wincon?

[Nauci]

Thanks shoshin

I have an awful 50% record of reading key

Shoshin and tw are better at it

[Nauci]

dont do it man.
i cant lose another town read from this game.
i just cant.

Who are your current town reads?

[Nauci]

I'd actually appreciate a Keys case a lot. I'm struggling there and keep ending up on "ttttooowwwwnnnnnn?"

VOTE: Mewt

I don't remember seeing a single post that made me think town Keyser

Which is weird because in AP I immediately thought he was town to the point of explaining his posts on his behalf

And in watchmen wanted I was very conflicted because I saw things that were scummy but also things that were towny

Here it's just a lot of nothingness, which makes me instinctively scum lean instead of null

[Nauci]

VOTE: Keyser

Those were all sentiments I had about his posts here and there but never zoomed out to the bigger picture like that. Well done, Shoshin.

[Nauci]

@Shoshin - this hasn’t been a game where I feel I can confidently air a town bloc.

Even you who is in my top town tier, could be solo scum even though I don’t think you’re group scum. I think I prefer playing a classic town vs group scum in an open set up.

The guys who I want dead: Mit, Koki & Mew, I wouldn’t bank on being a gamesolve, but I feel like there is scum in here.

Regarding my low activity and lack of aggressive bite - that is fair. But please accept it as non-alignment indicative this game.

Regarding ‘not town reading town’ - I did think my previous hard scumread of Relly, Nauci, and distrust of Creature was justified I will never sheep a town bloc which I think is unsupported/naive. That’s not me.

Lol I used to scumread town Keyser for being too defensive

And now I'm scum reading Keyser for being relatively passive about a self defense

@irrelephant I demand you be amused about this from the dead thread

@tw I demand you be amused about this right here

[Nauci]

Wait hold on are you saying we're missing a nk?

Oh

Oh damn

Hmm it's possible

It's also possible

there's an infested terran with a gun

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'd not even considered the possibility of a kill having been prevented because 3 killers n1 is absurd and creature didn't die by PGO

Wrt the bolded. Come again?

Zerg had the ability to infest Terran units and turn them into essentially zombie Zerg units. An infested terran has the ability to use guns instead of claws.

The flavors thus far have all been obviously good guys in the lore and the medic had an obvious correlation with the role so I'm pretty against flavor claiming.

I’m pretty sure this game isn’t bastard though.

I don't think it's an ability in this mafia game, no

But I'm saying that characters can be of the Zerg faction with terran guns if they are infested terran characters, like Admiral Stukov

[Nauci]

Well town bp, isn’t a common role.

Is it not? I feel like I have seen it in >4 games of my ~15 here

[Nauci]

In a 15p game a mislynch today could result in lylo tomorrow

How come you're not trying to game solve today, xtoxm? I had you even as a town lean yesterday because I thought you did put in some work but it feels like you've sat back a lot today flying under the radar

We could have LYLO tomorrow? Already?

I think there could be up to 4 anti town, with at least 2 kills at night

Which means we could be 8 vs 4 right now. If we mislynch, we'd be 5v4 tomorrow

It's almost fortunate that there's no vig now because if creature missed idk what we'd do lol

I mean with 3 TPR flipped idk if there were a lot of tpr to balance scum numbers

Hopefully there are only 3 anti town roles and we're 9v3 right now

[Nauci]

if a third party's only enemy is a role that gets guilties on like probably most kinds of scum and also a town PGO and also a town vig I acrually don't think it's too bizarre. I'm not even 1% surprised to see a gunsmith in this setup, I just can't work through the informed bit right now

Also on cops and FBI agents according to the wiki? I didn't realize that serial killers

do not

have guns until just now.

Oh man it'd have been hilarious if Irrelephant survived through his 2 shots of pgo and got red checked by a gunsmith and mislynched

Not specifically because it's Irrelephant but because setup lulz

[Nauci]

if a third party's only enemy is a role that gets guilties on like probably most kinds of scum and also a town PGO and also a town vig I acrually don't think it's too bizarre. I'm not even 1% surprised to see a gunsmith in this setup, I just can't work through the informed bit right now

Well, our role doesn’t even know the alignment of said flavour - maybe if I knew anything about Starcraft?

If you just claim it then we just need group knowledge

[Nauci]

Key N1 result? Are you odd/even night or full power?

I checked Creature.

Odd night.

why did you check Creature?

I couldn’t understand all the town reads on him on D1 so thought it was the best investigation. I thought he was scum who had snuggled into the townbloc.

This is a plausible Keyser notion and not just a convenient fake claim target for scum, I think?

Why not mention this at claim time though

[Nauci]

I'm not convinced this claim is town indicative and I feel like I'm missing pieces of the bigger picture.. I think I need to sleep on this and probably talk to Nauci

I'd be so amused if Keyser is a scum gunsmith

But the 3rd party he was told about shot creature

Also serial killers not having guns is throwing me for a loop

Does it maybe not apply this game because it's a themed non normal

[Nauci]

There's a very real possibility I'm getting over-excited.

No, I agreed with your soft-IC idea

[Nauci]

For the record, I don't think performer's claim clears him at all.

What about Keyser?

Oddly enough I think scum gunsmith and town gunsmith are both possible

[Nauci]

2 days in a row, Performer has been close to getting lynched and suddenly, the wagon just collasped. Kind of similar with Mewtaph and today, Key but his claim seems more believable. \_0_/

It might have been the same on d1 but I parsonage investigated other places because I'm very against ending days with too much time left that we could have been flipping more rocks over and being more thorough

Like I'm still scum reading Performer but I was NOT about to let this day end early without Keyser participating

[Nauci]

Yeah actually
VOTE: Keyser
I don't buy the claim as town.
Gunsmith works perfectly fine as an anti-town role since we're confirmed to have a Vigilante and a PGO.
Lynch this.

I'm actually thinking that pgo + town gunsmith would be too much anti-town town ability

While scum gunsmith would just be very good scum utility

I need shoshin to weigh in on Keyser at this point

VOTE: Keyser

Maybe this is like American Presidents where town basically did catch multiple scum early but kept thinking that only one of the competing wagons could be scum instead of that all of the candidates were

[Nauci]

I think the performer push has kinda run its course at this point; Varsoon, Mitillos, tell me about your view of d2 xtoxm

So, was that wagon some kind of reaction test then or what?

No I meant that the pressure was no longer producing new data and I wanted to pressure somewhere else before the day ended

[Nauci]

What flavours would Zergs have, if infested terran?

https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Categ ... characters

Sorry, sc2 plot spoilers lie within

[Nauci]

Nah, not after what I just recently read, I think that’s a bad idea but it should definitely be useful in the future. When we get the first scumflip, you’ll understand why it’s pointless for me to claim it att.

Hopefully you'll still be alive

[Nauci]

I'm not sure there isn't a scum doc

I have no experience with such a role and haven't really thought about its implications versus BP or even scum gunsmith that I have an easier time theorizing about

[Nauci]

I'll take some time later today to metadive performer and mew

[Nauci]

I don't disbelieve Keyser's claim for a second I'm just not sure it's a town claim....

Yeah...

Hey Keyser what's your flavor

[Nauci]

Did Key claim flavor?

No.

Maybe this is like American Presidents where town basically did catch multiple scum early but kept thinking that only one of the competing wagons could be scum instead of that all of the candidates were

This is my sense. I don't see resistance to the Performer/Mew wagons, just a lot of movement from townies trying to choose the highest percentage lynch.

This is a pretty reasonable take; I feel less frustrated now. The Xtoxm pop-in to remind us all to lynch Performer not Mew kind of threw me out of orbit....

Yeah it's why I was so adamantly opposed to his characterization of my change in direction

[Nauci]

I'm gonna try and sleep again but just in case the day suddenly ends... just a reminder Kokichi should be the lynch tomorrow if he isn't literally confirmed town

Also

If purportedly town gunsmith isn't killed, with our even night doctor dead...

The more I mull on it the more I feel like it could easily be scum gunsmith

[Nauci]

VOTE: mewtaph

[Nauci]

Gunsmith works perfectly fine as an anti-town role since we're confirmed to have a Vigilante and a PGO.

Considering there were 2 kills on n1 and somehow both were on vig & pgo, I'm starting to think the gunsmith claim is plausible actually. Having trouble seeing how it's an anti-town role.

He'd get false positives on town roles which would be anti town since it might out the town pr

[Nauci]

ANancy
Skitter

Por que?

[Nauci]

Fwiw I think that keyser's explanation for checking creature is perfectly plausible for Keyser and even makes sense with his read progression so I will back off of there for now

Kokichi why do you feel he'd flip red

[Nauci]

I am 1-shot Bp, flavor of Bunkered SCV.

Isn’t SCV a bad thing in Starcraft?

No, SCVs are the worker units for the Terran.
You wouldn't put SCVs in a Bunker--usually that's where you put your marines so that they can hold a choke point more readily. It's like a defensive tower that has to be destroyed before the units inside can be hurt, but anyone inside can attack those outside.

SCVs don't attack, though, and literally only serve two purposes:
Mining and building.

I've seen plenty of hilarious plays where someone was using an scv to repair a bunker but would pop it inside the bunker immediately if the enemy actually targeted it

[Nauci]

ive decided the way keyser went about his claim looks very town

sup drunkposting btw.

What do you think of Mewtaph’s claim and he neglected the flavour part of the question entirely.

Btw, can anyone tell me wtf a nova is anyhow?

Main character for Terran in sc2. Good side.

She's a sniper whose suit can turn her invisible.

[Nauci]

He omitted claiming his role

[Nauci]

I think out of all the claims so far I find keyser's the most believable and kokichi's the least

[Nauci]

He omitted claiming his role

Yeah, kind of sketchy.

Out of Key, Performer and Mew, he is doing the least to advance the game.

ive decided the way keyser went about his claim looks very town

sup drunkposting btw.

What do you think of Mewtaph’s claim and he neglected the flavour part of the question entirely.

Btw, can anyone tell me wtf a nova is anyhow?

Main character for Terran in sc2. Good side.

She's a sniper whose suit can turn her invisible.

Didn’t Mitillos hardclaim no ninjas in this setup?

I don't think the flavor is THAT correlative with role. Medic was obvious, but Rory Swann was literally the mechanic/weaponsmith for Raynor in the SC2 campaign and Irrelephant flipped PGO, not gunsmith, while there's the loooosest possible connection for creature's flavor/role. I think alignment is the only one that's truly correlative, like if someone's flavor is straight up Zerg.

[Nauci]

He didn't catch me at all; Nauci did (she knew there wouldn't be two investigatives in that setup and she was an unclaimed investigative ). He acrually thought the claim was brilliant & was ready to pardon my wolfy play...

Actually that was only a suspicion

I caught you based on my giant meta case

[Nauci]

tell town!Nauci she's obvscum they said, it'll be fun they said

Wait did the other 2 put you up to it I didn't read the scum pt

[Nauci]

So, I don't really have much to add here. I would like to see Mew's full claim, as well, what with the invisible stuff. I was townreading him, but now I'm wondering.
Did we ever find out whether a gunsmith would be able to detect non-terran killing roles? Also, I didn't like Keyser's shifting read on me, as he's been moving me consistently down the pile, with just "I'm worried he was trying to pocket me" as an explanation. I'm going to be looking at whether he's been doing similar things with his other reads.

Everyone's town reads of you have shifted down

My read has downshifted a lot because your contributions have declined in both quality and quantity

Like this post was super surface level, between echoing setup spec and asking for a claim. Your first half of day 1 I felt like I could clearly see your thought processes and progression but as more and more content has poured into the game, you've given shallower and shallower reactions.

[Nauci]

You're voting Performer but believe his 1sbp claim and don't think he makes that if he killed Irrelephant and have someone else as confirmed fakeclaiming and... might? have a counterclaim? but you're not voting that person or counterclaiming?

I'm really confused

I think I know what he might be referring to?

I hate this mess of claims and crap we're currently in o_o

[Nauci]

Also, if it isn't obvious enough already, I'll hardclaim that my role is not associated with Nova's character ability to become invisible.

Yeah this would have been really weird if it was

Like I've said the roles very loosely associate with the flavors and the only real correlation is faction

I only mentioned the invisibility thing because it's kinda the characters whole schtick: she shoots a bigass sniper rifle and goes invisible and noobs like playing her because of that in Heroes of the Storm

[Nauci]

uh I think you can fairly safely claim without someone who has TMI on your role needing to necessarily claim if you get what I mean

I'm also not sure why you're so calm about someone lying about their role

There's a bunch of weird mechanics that I can think of that could motivate people to be weird af like Fruit Dealer (Krazy if you put a fruit vendor into the game just to make that joke you are my favorite mod ever), even night neighborizer, masons, or whatever?

So I'm going to step back from setup spec a bit and just try to read people for whether or not I think they're being genuine in their posting

[Nauci]

Nauci skitter and Mitillos I'm gonna defer to you guys here. I'm a pretty firm believer that a thinly veiled agenda is probably town indicative and like to me this just smells like peddling bullshit to coast while we lynch someone else but if you think there's some merit I'm missing I'll back off.

I mean

At this point the 2 weird ones are either peddling their bs as scum together or weird fucking town I guess

[Nauci]

Of the wagons going currently I'm definitely the most down for mewtaph

So maybe a full claim is actually in order

I feel like I'm under scrutinizing xtoxm today though

[Nauci]

@Nauci: I have explained my main scumread. The other two wagons are on my townreads, as I mentioned before. There is nothing of substance I can add, and nothing in particular that I want to ask, at the moment. I may also have some jetlag.

@Mewtaph: If I understand you correctly, I think you should keep your info to yourself, for the moment.

Who are your non-main scum reads, and why?

[Nauci]

Votecount 1.29

Not_Mafia(8)

~ Nauci(241), Mitillos(66), Shoshin(188), Irrelephant11(181), Mewtaph(38), the worst(329), Varsoon(150), Performer(97)

-- HAMMER

Mewtaph(2)

~ skitter30(179), Kokichi Oma(154)

the worst(1)

~ Not_Mafia(35)


Not Voting (4): Creature(128), Keyser Söze(108), Xtoxm(79), AlmostNancy(466)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-13 17:17:27)

FLAVOR

Spoiler:

For a relatively easy mislynch, I'd say scum are more likely to be off-wagon, watching town screw up

Of those on wagon, I most suspect kokichi

Of those off, AN and Skitter actually talked about distinctly town reading NM and I town read them. I still don't know what to make of kokichi's utter sureness that NM is town but have found all of the weirdness scummy.

Just by vote analysis I think scum is within {mewtaph, Keyser, xtoxm, kokichi}

I don't think performer was the 2nd most likely wagon so I don't think he hammered out of self preservation. I think that while this game was extraordinarily active, it's otherwise not suuuuuuper suspicious to hammer with 6 hours remaining without NM having claimed at -1?

From today's activity, I've had better insight into performer's thoughts than mitillos, which concerns me. But I'm still not townreading performer at all. Part of this is just that I find his thought processes really confusing and hard to read because I'm fairly certain I am not understanding what he's trying to say like 75% of the time. This is where I need to metadive the most, I think.

I keep swaying back and forth about keyser's claim credibility and it's really bugging me. I'm also used to Keyser being more aggressive and more defensive as a player in general, and in particular posting transparently and in real time. He's not spent any time setting up 1v1s between other players or even commenting on them much, which I felt like was a Keyser trademark. Combined with the supposed check on creature which, while plausible as a real pick he would have made, is also entirely consistent with a fake claim.

The game I modded had scum fake claiming all over the place, including TW claiming town gunsmith as a scum gunsmith

I think just over the course of writing this post I've decided that Keyser is scum here and maybe we should even lynch there

VOTE: Keyser Söze

[Nauci]

Good thing we let the wolves lead a witch hunt to out all the tprs today instead of lynching obvscum perf like 4 rl days ago

Does that mean you believe both Keyser and mew?

[Nauci]

@Shoshin: Because I'm scumreading Performer, and leaning town on Mew and Key. And I already explained why I was townreading Mew D1. His scumhunting looked genuine to me, and his reads and explanations were actually possible to follow. I have been having some trouble understanding the reasoning of a number of other players, in the instances where it was actually provided.

Why do you town read Keyser?

[Nauci]

I'm pretty sure that he's saying that someone isn't revealing their entire role for reasons that aren't scum-lying and that he's protecting a tpr from full claiming by being weird about it

Idk if I believe it but I think that's what he's saying and I dislike that Keyser ignored the fact that mew basically said that and only quoted the post about lying which cast an unfair amount of shade over what mewtaph posted

[Nauci]

Shiiiiiiit that's clever play. I'm starting to wonder if everyone is either directly or indirectly informed tbqh

Idk shit, yo

Are you saying that you are tho

[Nauci]

That's how I also am fairly sure none of last night's kills were by Zerg.
I posited even/odd factional kills as a possibility, wondering if some absolute chump would try to take credit with a doc or BP-who-used-a-vest fakeclaim, but with our doc dead, the only person who really somewhat adheres to this is Performer.

Well since there's no way he was shot at by anybody last night, I am even more inclined to think he's sk now

[Nauci]

indirectly, it'll flip with me

What does indirectly even mean o_o

[Nauci]

I'm like stuck playing musical chairs with who of the wagons is scummiest

[Nauci]

@Nauci, if you think someone scum and lying you push them.

If you think/know they are a town PR you don’t mention it at all.

Considering the context of the weirdness that has happened thus far and the combination of posts that mew has made I find this reductive post to be misrepresenting the situation, possibly maliciously.

[Nauci]

I think since half if not more of players here are confused about it I'll just spill what I thought mew was referring to maybe?

Tw, what do you think

[Nauci]

VOTE: mitillos

[Nauci]

VOTE: Mitillos

VOTE: mitillos

Why are you voting Mitillos?

I try to amplify Shoshin's pursuits

Channeling Irrelephant's spirit, really

[Nauci]

I recently post about the progression of my read on mitillos