micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

[Slaxx]

Hey guys. I’m trying to distance myself from yesterday.

No, I just finally remembered the password to my main. A deals a deal so hold on.

[Slaxx]

fam I'm tired

oh ok...

next time I guess

I'll rap battle with lolwagons if you flip town

I'll self hammer to see this

I...was not joking when I said I will retroactively make a case on you that rhymes if you flip town.

If I don't have it up within 3 days of Day 2 start town can autolynch me.

I (rightfully I would imagine) assume I don't get NK'd in the event you flip town.

I'm a man of my word.

[Slaxx]

The Bullshit Retroactive Case I Have to Make Because I Promised TW and Nibbui: A Rhymed Mafia Masterpiece from MS's #1 MC,

From the concept album: "Don't claim a fucking PR as VT and then get mislynched and also suspect another townie the next day maybe you need a break from mafia christ what is your deal"

(Working Title)

Yo...yo...yo...
Check the mic

I hear there's muh-muh-mafia to be found

alright
alright

VERSE 1 (Pre-Entry):

On his first real read, he be weeblin and wobblin
Did you even see all that Nibbui that he be pocketin'
That ignorant type shit give me all kinds of hater thoughts
Shoved Nibbui in his pocket like Napoleon did Tater Tots
And I was wrong, it sucks, it happens that's okay doe
I stand by my vote like I be votin' for my Pedro
(24) (133)

Crowd chant:

Hey OHHHHHHHHH
Hey OHHHHHHHHH

Strong reads? Nah.
He be testing waters like a fish tank
Sittin' on the fence behind Dale, Bill, and Hank (180)
Gribble, his dribble, looks like filler in a turkey
FoSing lurkers while he's all active lurking (189)
Think we done? Nah, plenty more to see
Wants to lynch on policy on Page Fourteen (346)
Hold up...That's fucked...Pass another Forty
Votes sort of more hormonal than a group of Four Teens (346)
Same post: oh, lets lynch pink ball for bravado
Very next post: "I'm in that got[tem] mode" (394)
Yo this ain't Gotham
But you're playing like a joker
I'm gonna make it rain hell on you...someone phone Al Roker

<<Bridge>>

He be sitting on fences, claiming vague roles
Wanna call him dense, but I don't hate though
But don't lie as town, that shit fucking mattered
Let me take another swing heyyyyyy batter batter

Verse 2 (The wagon):
This is where you fell, the Origin of Fail
Vote, but claim the wagon's dangerous like we on our way through the Oregon Trail (1242)
"This wagon's bad", now I'm sunk if I put the wrong person's goose in the noose
But I could also be bussing? You set me up for lose-lose. (1250)
The hell I'm supposed to do?
The hell I'm supposed to think?
You skate around this lynch like you go for gold on an ice rink (1254)
So now you're renting out my head, paranoia in the the lease, shit
And if you want my thoughts at the time, check my damn thesis (1276)
There, took your ass to school
And the next shit you did? Not fucking cool.

Verse 3 (The Claim)
You claim Village PR
But you didn't sit down, be HUMBLE
No Kendrick Lamar
We make mistakes, we all have vices
But don't claim town PR when you've been self-sacrificing (1603)
An opaque claim, but a pretty clear lie
From my point of view, nothing to fear, right?
Yes you claimed
I know
You were very insistent
But that type of claim WAS NOT CONSISTENT
And if you had been honest about your role, I might have backed off, shit
But the context of your claim was the last nail in the coffin
Sure, you can say I wanted certain death
But remember I 180'd, with time, on Meph

In summary, in the future, maybe play less scummy
This song's for you, don't say I never gave you nothing.

[Slaxx]

I'll do actual game productive shit tomorrow.

Fucking don't fake claim as town.

I seriously decided not to back off after the claim. It's the moment where you're like "I'll kick myself in the ass if I talk myself out of this".

[Slaxx]

Uh.

If we publically decide who to give it to

They might die or get roleblocked

So how about just use it privately

[Slaxx]

HOLY FUCK YES

LETS SPEND ANOTHER DAY TALKING ABOUT OTHER GAMES

GREAT IDEA GOOD JOB THANKS VERY WELL PLAYED

[Slaxx]

I don’t think an open dialogue about this, especially one you participate in, is going to do much besides get your targets killed. In the same way discussion helps us find scum, it will help them suss out targets.

Also, if this is legit, I’d like to remind you that the first thing I’d be looking for as scum here is you not paying attention to a suggestion of someone you townread, as a target of who you’ve gave the role to already.

So if you insist on discussing this, you’re going to have to be extremely cognizant about not tipping your hand at all.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Mastina

L-1

What a fucking game lol

[Slaxx]

UNVOTE:

[Slaxx]

I’ve already told you why I think you’re town.

You’ve been vey game solv-ey. Like Podo you have very specific instances where you have had this very “patient town” aura about you that looks past opportunistic pushes and actually tries to solve for alignment.

I know it makes you uncomfortable but I feel like we’ve been vibing on our reads since I replaced in, particularly around the TW lynch, even though it was wrong (although I count that was a win for my ego because I knew the role was a fucking lie)

[Slaxx]

Honestly if Skitter says she got the role from scum, your target should just claim mastina. There could be a town Santa and a scum santa or you just shit your pants and didn’t realize skitter was going to get the piece about scum

But if we do it that way you need to out first then they claim

[Slaxx]

So if you insist on discussing this, you’re going to have to be extremely cognizant about not tipping your hand at all.

In spite of my reputation, I can when the occasion calls for it keep things close to my chest!

fun fact!
schadd specifically said that *scum* were responsible for my role change last night (and you're claiming to have changed a role so ..... i would be shocked if someone else had their role changed too)

You were not my target. Someone else was, so there is in fact someone else who has a changed role.

They would vouch for me.

But again.

That would be anti-town.

Do you really want to force the issue or will you trust me when I say that I didn't target you but my target is still alive and has a changed role?

How do we know that Schadd didn’t do this?

If your not reponsible for Skitter’s rolechange, why should we believe your claim? And what would you say, if Nibbul denies they had a role change?

Nibbuis dead

Maybe if you focused on talking about this game and weren’t a hysterical basket case you’d know that

[Slaxx]

So he told you mafia knew that they were giving you this thing?

[Slaxx]

I wouldn’t try to wifom the mod.

What a shit show.

[Slaxx]

Meph it’s mechanically possible to vote your buddy

Come on

[Slaxx]

Meph it’s mechanically possible to vote your buddy

Come on

Except I didn’t and I didn’t vote NM or Kokichi in Starcraft either, who I also tried to stop mislynches on.

I didn’t just not vote, I actively tried to stop that lynch. I understand why Skitter didn’t buy it, because she already knew tw was scum in that game but I would have still hard townread him here regardless because his D1 play was 180 degrees different here than it was in Starcraft.

K that’s awesome as soon as you mentioned another game I stopped reading the post which is a behavior I will continue to do until my cholesterol-clogged and stressed heart gives out on me so thanks

[Slaxx]

also like what would have happened if you and scum targeted the same person yesterday? my role doesn't make sense in conjunction with being given other things really

like if you had unlocked my true role or whatever and scum also gave me their box of goodies like i don't even know what would make sense for you to have unlocked in addition to what scum gave me

I don’t want you to elaborate on this because I’m not trying to fish.

But if your ability wasn’t super clear/ mod-confirmed there might be some sort of catch to it.

Like a genie who tags on a downside to your wish or whatever.

[Slaxx]

That's kinda proof that my role exists though? Because I made it clear from the onset how mine works.

no, why is that proof?

Because 17*3=Lil Pump

I didn’t get the logic either

[Slaxx]

Meph it’s mechanically possible to vote your buddy

Come on

Except I didn’t and I didn’t vote NM or Kokichi in Starcraft either, who I also tried to stop mislynches on.

I didn’t just not vote, I actively tried to stop that lynch. I understand why Skitter didn’t buy it, because she already knew tw was scum in that game but I would have still hard townread him here regardless because his D1 play was 180 degrees different here than it was in Starcraft.

K that’s awesome as soon as you mentioned another game I stopped reading the post which is a behavior I will continue to do until my cholesterol-clogged and stressed heart gives out on me so thanks

You want to play less optimally than you can, isn’t my concern.

Very cool, thanks Meph.

[Slaxx]

I just can’t imagine thinking some of the things you say but okay

So, I still think Mastina is the proper lynch today.
It solves for Meph and Mastina.

Skitter is town. I don’t see how she isn’t. That knee jerk claim after she knew scum gave her the power felt super town, and the slow withdraw solidified that this wasn’t a weird ploy. I still really think Podo is town.

Podo/Skitter/Sheep/Meph/Pink/Slaxx

Would be the solve tomorrow minus a night kill. I think if Mastina flips town I’d look at sheep.

[Slaxx]

Looking at the time stamp was a good call, Meph.

[Slaxx]

Okay thought: what if the town role is “give a mystery power to a chosen person”
And the scum role is “give a chosen role to a non-NK mystery person”

[Slaxx]

Like, was the wording that they had chosen you, chosen the power, or was it explicit either way, Skitter?

[Slaxx]

Meh. That’s what I’m going with.

Scum Mystery Box: Give chosen power from a list to non-NK target each night
Town Myster Box: Give unknown power to chosen person

If anyone has better theories toss them out there.

[Slaxx]

Okay stop with the fucking quote walls on other games seriously

It took me too long to scroll through that on mobile

[Slaxx]

i guess there's a slight chance that mastina isn't scum here but a lot of things are pointing in that direction rn for me

Yup

The whole you have to/should lynch me thing feels gambity. Best bet I call those bluffs.

And apparently Meph said her power might not be that great. So.

[Slaxx]

Okay, guys, I swear to Elton John if you guys keep posting about that stupid fucking unrelated game I will avoid you like the plague in future games

Maybe that’s what you want, in which case whatever I guess.

[Slaxx]

i guess there's a slight chance that mastina isn't scum here but a lot of things are pointing in that direction rn for me

Yup

The whole you have to/should lynch me thing feels gambity. Best bet I call those bluffs.

And apparently Meph said her power might not be that great. So.

Out rolechange doesn’t benefit Mastina in anyway.

Okay cool! Not being rude, I promise, but don’t tell me any more than that.

[Slaxx]

The whole you have to/should lynch me thing feels gambity. Best bet I call those bluffs.

I haven't submitted a D2 target yet btw so, uh.

Can we get back to discussing your thoughts on different options like I originally fucking asked?

Then

you can lynch me because right now this is just a gigantic waste of time because it's not productive. My role is real; discussing if it's real won't do any good, but discussing how to use it will.

Sure, give it to me. I’m salty I didn’t have an awakening, in like six years overdue for one irl.

[Slaxx]

Only people I’d trust with it would be Podo and Skitter.

You’re scumreading Podo and idk what that does to skitter so.

[Slaxx]

Meph feels really solvey here

It might be Mastina/Sheep

I think the dead person said that too.

[Slaxx]

idk posts like this one are kinda townie but i'm a little wary that they're designed to seem that way to get people to back off lynching you

Mastina is an onion. There’s always another layer.

She could do this as either alignment but the point is the town suspects her, her PR use is up if real, and her flip is valuable. In this situation you’re either doing what she wants, or calling her bluff.

[Slaxx]

idk posts like this one are kinda townie but i'm a little wary that they're designed to seem that way to get people to back off lynching you

Well I'd be self-voting right now if not still deciding who to target, so.

Why would you be self-voting, if you’re town?

To get out of the game lol

I don’t self vote but I get the sentiment

[Slaxx]

By the way @LolWagons your rap game is strong af

Thanks bro I try!

Not to look a gift horse in the mouth but why’d you leave me out of your PoE?

[Slaxx]

it's so hard to remember what i thought from reading eod when that was 48 hours ago


lolwagons is doing things that like

i would consider villagery but it's very different from how he acted last game
yet ignoring meta i would villa read him

@slaxx can you talk about why/how you think you might be playing differently from the recent mini normal we played in together

I don’t feel like I’m playing super different. Apparently I still tunnel town day 1. This time I skipped the 1v1 on Podo and also didn’t have Dannflor here to save me from myself. High post count, confrontational, aggressive.

I think I might be a tad more aggressive here but this is like my fourth or fifth game back on the site so I haven’t really settled in to playstyle.

[Slaxx]

Eh I might be a little less solvey this game

But I haven’t been around as long and I was focused on the wagon-pontificating VT obviously lying about their role. Usually people lying about their role flip mafia.

[Slaxx]

I don’t really like talking about my own meta due to my own cynicism towards it

Like, you (assuming town) are already going to use in game content to judge whether I’m saying this to posture myself or being genuine

[Slaxx]

how do ignore features work on this site

You can’t ignore people in games with you I don’t think

Basic rundown (someone correct me if I’m wrong):
Mastina claims 3x Awakener, which gives a power to their target
Skitter says she got something but it was explicitly stated mafia gave it to her
Skitter, thinking Mastina just screwed up, votes Mastina
Mastina claims she didn’t give that role to him
It later emerges that Meph was Mastina’s target, and Mastina could target someone each phase (D1 was Meph, N1 was Nibbui, D2 up in the air)
From what I understand skitter has a tough time believing Mastinas role exists in conjunction with her role because her role is very powerful and possibly swingy
However Meph has implied Mastina gifted her something rather weak, and Mastina claimed she doesn’t know what she gifts people, just who she targets

So... I think that’s the brunt of it

[Slaxx]

I think at this point mafia already know what skitter has, so he plans on claiming to some extent

[Slaxx]

I also thought that claiming to visit the night kill was a bit coincidental, especially when he shifted doc off him.

Vote Mastina

I’m ready for this.

[Slaxx]

And thanks skitter! I love writing.

So, I thought you had gotten an inno on me because of the “really really town” comment that came with your softclaim. I was operating the entire day under the premise you had cleared me lol.

[Slaxx]

UNVOTE:

Bloop

[Slaxx]

I think that promise came after the PR claim.

I mean there was just no way that flipped TPR which is why I made the bet. I truly didn’t expect to do it but kinda glad I was able to. I hope Nibbui is smiling down on this thread with pride.

So if you’re permanent BP, and can track, that means scum basically is screwed if one of them get lynched, unless they have a role block. But that doesn’t make much sense since they know who to roleblock since they have them the gift.

[Slaxx]

Building off what Podo said, they KNEW they were giving that Track to you, so they must have thought within the context of YOUR investigation and reads that Mastina was the less likely to be caught.

[Slaxx]

How do we feel about Meph claiming clearly what she received? She has already alluded to it.

[Slaxx]

How do we feel about Meph claiming clearly what she received? She has already alluded to it.

I feel great about that, but she's not the person I'm worried about, so I don't really think it's necessary at the moment. At least it's not my priority.

I think it would be a good piece to have. It was heavily implied it was weak by Meph, so unless they don’t have a grasp on setups (possible?) I trust that read. So, not much to lose by outting what they got.

[Slaxx]

You on mobile? That does it to me.

[Slaxx]

That logic also doesn’t make much sense because if InfiniteSoda was still here the replace out risk would be too high.

[Slaxx]

Someone mentioned a mass claim. I think we can afford to wait one more day. Kirby, Me, Podo, and Skitter are all onboard with how the others are thinking, so I think the only thing I want revealed at this point is Meph’s gifted ability.

[Slaxx]

Meh I’m not gonna fight it, but I think we are probably coherent enough as town to wait a day. I think there could be a little something left that might be useful, that might best be saved for tomorrow.

[Slaxx]

I mean, is anyone else’s claim going to make you not lynch Mastin?

If there was such a claim out there my guess is it would be claimed already

So why not just let any little secrets we have left slide another day?

[Slaxx]

Yay we are on the same page!

Awesome.

[Slaxx]

I understand. I’ll refrain from elaborating further, as I see no need to tell mafia how they should have played this.

[Slaxx]

That was @Kirby

[Slaxx]

We don’t know that technically.

I mean that’s only not true if they’re both scum and lying, which I doubt, but we don’t KNOW that’s not the case.

[Slaxx]

Really we don’t know if Skitter is telling the truth but I’m really not going down that rabbit hole, if this was all orchestrated, then good grief take the w

[Slaxx]

To be completely unambiguous: Skitter is town and I’m not budging on that.

[Slaxx]

Alright Sheep, if Mastina is town who are we looking at for a pair?

[Slaxx]

Lol you literally said earlier it was a weak role, if I recall, basically unprompted. At that time I told you not to disclose anymore.

As the day progressed, it made more sense for you to claim after Skitter did.

Mastina isn’t obvtown here by any means.

[Slaxx]

Why does “it doesn’t benefit her” lead you to “she doesn’t know what it is”?

[Slaxx]

For the love of Christ fine.

Okay, so I think I might get what’s going on here, someone remind me to bring it up tomorrow.

We are still lynching Mastina.

[Slaxx]

Why does “it doesn’t benefit her” lead you to “she doesn’t know what it is”?

Because, I can’t see any motivation for her to send us what she did and she claimed not to know what that is and based on this, I see no reason to disbelieve her.

Why does Mastina - let alone ANYONE send us a rolechange, that is completely useless to her position in the game?

Tell me how that even remotely makes any sense at all.

If the mechanic was forced, like I assume skitter receiving her thong was.

[Slaxx]

For the love of Christ fine.

Okay, so I think I might get what’s going on here

, someone remind me to bring it up tomorrow.

We are still lynching Mastina.

You’re probably wrong?

Like you were on tw?

First of all, that “I think I know what’s going on here” thing was in your defense, I was being purposefully vague. You’re fucking insufferable.

Secondly, for someone who thinks I’m scum, you sure are enjoying needling me and taunting me for being wrong on TW a lot. Aren’t you supposed to think I did that on purpose? And by the way, knew he was lying about the claim, so, half-wrong.

[Slaxx]

Oh got what a terrible typo

Thing*

[Slaxx]

Why does “it doesn’t benefit her” lead you to “she doesn’t know what it is”?

Because, I can’t see any motivation for her to send us what she did and she claimed not to know what that is and based on this, I see no reason to disbelieve her.

Why does Mastina - let alone ANYONE send us a rolechange, that is completely useless to her position in the game?

Tell me how that even remotely makes any sense at all.

If the mechanic was forced, like I assume skitter receiving her thong was.

I’m not following. However, I will also tell you that what she sent us has no scum utility whatsoever. IOW, no scum would ever KNOWINGLY send us what she did. Our rolechange may be relatively useless but 100% townbased.

Have you not been following along at all? I don’t think they would choose to give skitter what they did. It was forced.

[Slaxx]

That last point makes no sense because I’m pretty sure the last one if not two instances of you mocking me for being wrong on TW claim came post-“rolefishing”

[Slaxx]

Okay

I’m proposing to you that Mastina had to give that out. I don’t know how I can be more clear about that without authoring a children’s book.

[Slaxx]

I never said Mastina specifically sent that to skitter? My best guess is it’s factional.

[Slaxx]

Here’s my final thought on everything:

I think, like Skitter, that mafia having to give this to her is powerful for town.

So, another townsided gift giving role seems to be a lot.

I don’t think skitter is lying about the role.

Gifting Nibbui made zero sense for anyone who read near the end of the night and my thought is that since they knew they were giving out a Tracker role Mastina claimed that visit to cover for the kill. Also, three gifts by night 2 AND this role seems crazy. It’s almost outside of believability.

I’m not for sure what to make of Meph’s claim anymore. I wanted to sort through it today because I don’t trust her judgement but whatever. I’m not moving off Mastina. She had to gambit today because she was the next lynch. I’m not surprised today is shaking out the way it is.

[Slaxx]

I’ll tell you what though, if Mastina flips anything other than her claimed role or mafia

There’s going to be a huge rant coming about lying about your role as town.

[Slaxx]

Mastina’s “power” still goes through if she’s lynched today.

[Slaxx]

I feel way less good about sheep today. But that still doesn’t compare to how I feel about Mastina.

[Slaxx]

Think about it.

Mastina has to claim the way she did if she was scum. She KNEW Tracker was about. She knew she visited that kill. And she also knew Skitter got a power. What other claim could she make in that situation?

And maybe Meph is covering for her. Or maybe there’s another mechanic at play. That’s the piece I won’t know because she won’t claim. But Mastina will always be the correct lynch today.

[Slaxx]

Yeah but I'm talking about determining her alignment on D3 instead of D2

Why are you being so weird about this?

You’ve over complicated things.

A claimed Tracker who has been very Townie has a guilty.

The guilty’s claimed visit makes no sense. Giving that power to Nibbui made no sense. She was begging to be killed and very Townie to everyone but me.

[Slaxx]

He*

I having the worst time with genders this game and I’m really fucking sorry

I’m not usually like that.

user link added for convenience

-s

[Slaxx]

It was pretty clear she was the lynch today. There wasn’t much she could do except maybe hand the kill off to the other person or hand the power to someone who wasn’t going to investigate her. But maybe the other person had something they needed to do and couldn’t multi task and they risked it.

P edit: Yeah I know and I’m used to playing in normals so this is a bit foreign to me but if a Tracker gets a guilty and the guilty is claiming a weird target that just happens to be the night kill, then i lynch the guilty.

[Slaxx]

Lmfao now the mod is getting in on the action

I didn’t even notice the edit

[Slaxx]

I'm taking mastina's silence as damning

She’s made two posts since her last post here. Maybe not super AI but it isn’t helping.

[Slaxx]

Welp.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Mastina

Thought I was voting her.

And I agree.

[Slaxx]

I see no reason not to lynch. At this point we are dragging the day on. I’ll say it one more time for emphasis:

Someone who a Tracker has a guilty on claimed an action that makes little sense.

If this were a mini normal I feel like it would have been twilight three days ago.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Meph

Beep boop

[Slaxx]

You always go first in a mass claim here and I feel like you should know that.

[Slaxx]

Skitter this goes without saying but don’t release your Tracker report until Meph claims what power she received from the regular Goon that just flipped.

[Slaxx]

UNVOTE:

[Slaxx]

Alright.

So sheep and skitter both got something.

did anyone else receive a fancy mafia gift

Because if not we can lynch Meph. If there are four claims that complicates things.

[Slaxx]

Also no one else claim before Meph does

I know I’m not clear but I’m running this until skitter gets here.

[Slaxx]

Okay logistically

1. Meph claims the power they received and what they did with it
2. Anyone else who received a power claims when they got it but probably not what it is just in case Mafia don’t know
3. We can discuss not setup things until skitter gets here with the result

[Slaxx]

It’s okay, I unvoted, you’re not at L-1.

[Slaxx]

Sheep, do you have anything to claim other than your N6 vig? Because that's fucking useless and I need to know.

And if anyone blocked the kill last night woth a save, rb, jk, whatever they can claim before or after we do, but there is no reason not to as it will provide important info we need to sort this!

Game is ez money we just need to be reasonable and follow a proper chain of events.

Exactly, so please claim.

[Slaxx]

For good reasons that I will absolutely tell you after a brief conversation with sheep I need them to answer me first.

This is something I will wait on.

- Ari.
These have all been me.

Deal!

[Slaxx]

Cool.

Now, we wait for skitters Tracker result.

[Slaxx]

If she is the player I hope and think she is, she tracked Meph and can verify this.

[Slaxx]

Skitter: did your power have a name?

I wouldn’t have believed the claim but now I’m very confused with sheep claiming they got a role too.

[Slaxx]

Did anyone else receive a role?

I did not.

[Slaxx]

i was considering a 3man scumteam actually. but i think that ... prob isn't what we're dealing with here?

I’ve been rolling this around in my head a while and now I think that could be the case but is unlikely

My final thought is if there’s nothing to account for the kill, Meph could have opted to give the power and not kill knowing she would be Tracker, and decided to give the n6 Vig to sheep which counted as a cost just as a factional kill would.

That would make some sort of sense, as now we are back down to a useless vig and your role again.

[Slaxx]

Sorry I’ve been drinking

If there’s nothing to account for the lack of kill, it’s possible, maybe probable, Meph had to still give that power out and didn’t want to Costa on the Tracker report so she no killed. That would explain pretty much everything in the most parsimonious way.

[Slaxx]

To costa = Two visits lol sorry

[Slaxx]

Let’s do it this way:

You know you’re tomorrow’s lynch. You know the Tracker is on you. You have to come up with a solution and you have to give a gift out.

You no kill, so any inno is worthless, and you also give out your compulsive factional gift. Then you claim an investigative role and a guilty that gives you basically a free mislynch and an out to throw up your arms and say it wasn’t your fault the next day, and hope Skitter believes you. This makes more balance sense and makes more sense internally with the mechanics. Instead of 3-4 roles given out it’s still just two.

[Slaxx]

I really didnt like the specificity of that role PM, seems like a bit much.

I’m down with a claim to make sure we aren’t missing anything on the no kill.

You’re the clear, you call it.

[Slaxx]

I’m fact you should probably call the order skitter, unless you think that would be tipping your hand too much.

[Slaxx]

You no kill, so any inno is worthless, and you also give out your compulsive factional gift. Then you claim an investigative role and a guilty that gives you basically a free mislynch and an out to throw up your arms and say it wasn’t your fault the next day, and hope Skitter believes you. This makes more balance sense and makes more sense internally with the mechanics. Instead of 3-4 roles given out it’s still just two.

like i guess the one sticking point i have is that the way that they described recieving their role kinda jives with mine in a few details (i guess i feel angle-shoot-y elaborating)

but a Guilty read would not.

and this is kinda dubious but like my role pm clarified the implications of results too (ie by specifying that i can track any nk and that there are no killing ninjas)

bleh i wish we forced them to claim yesterday

That’s fair, I forgot about that piece. I guess that quells that suspicion, but it doesn’t really change the overall point. Occam’s razor worked yesterday and I’m fairly confident it will work today.

[Slaxx]

i guess there's a slight chance that mastina isn't scum here but a lot of things are pointing in that direction rn for me

Yup

The whole you have to/should lynch me thing feels gambity. Best bet I call those bluffs.

And apparently Meph said her power might not be that great. So.

Out rolechange doesn’t benefit Mastina in anyway.

That’s why I believe she doesn’t know what it is but yeah, not too useful.

How’s a 1-shot cop not useful on a game of 9 with one clear

[Slaxx]

I just don’t buy the claim. Just like Mastina’s too much has to be going on in the setup for it to be a thing.

[Slaxx]

Podo was pretty hard pressing Mastina on D2. Even when everyone was faltering I felt like him and I were solidly not switching.

Also I still just have a good townread on him from his D1 play.

[Slaxx]

so like ... instead of nk'ing someone they decide to make sheep a n6 vig?
like if i were in their shoes that's not a decision i would make like ever

My proposal is the factional gift is compulsive (it would have to be, why would you ever choose to give an BP IC) and, knowing that, and knowing she was most likely being tracked, that was the literal only choice. You can explain that, but how do you explain visiting the person who got the gift AND the night kill? Do we think it’s a coincidence Meph targeted sheep and sheep happened to get a gift? I don’t.

[Slaxx]

I mean I don’t think so. We have one super-Townie and a night 6 vig. That’s... not anything ridiculous.

[Slaxx]

Shit the night 6 vig is like lynchbait

I’m proud of sheep for claiming that, I’d prolly be like lolno

[Slaxx]

Although I know your role pm was specific skitter, I find it weird that hers gives her an out on her ability if it’s wrong. I think the plan was to try to get sheep today and then just survive one more day somehow. Sometimes a spade is a spade.

[Slaxx]

How about you both vote for Meph and we end this? I don't know if this game will get any more solved by discussing about the setup when the only informed player about this is the remaining scum. Let's just lynch Meph for the win and if it isn't, it will give us the info we need. sheep and meph already claimed, I softclaimed already and I think Slaxx did too. We could wait for podo but I'm pretty sure he will agree with us.

i got my ability day1 tho (or at least, at the eod1/ start of n1) - like i guess having to give out a role day1 and n2 doesn't seem very symmetric?

I mean I can take time I’m in no rush

But just like yesterday, there’s no way in hell we don’t lynch Meph here.

There’s not a kill, and unless Podo comes in with an explanation, then my proposal explains everything.

It explains sheep receiving the kill, it explains the visit to sheep, it explains the lack of kill, all with minimal complication.

[Slaxx]

Heeeeey you're explanation was just a fancy way to say what I said before!! Don't take too much credit on that

Lol sorry I genuinely thought I elaborated first

Either way it’s the correct explanation.

[Slaxx]

We know people are receiving factional gifts from mafia, we know Meph visited sheep, we know sheep got a gift. We know there was no kill, and we are about to confirm nothing blocked the kill. We know Meph was likely going to be tracked, we know the only option was to give the gift. If they were tracked to kill and gift receiver it’s hands down game over. This was the only move available.

[Slaxx]

I mean yeah you added some parts... Can we share it? Like... 80 me 20 you

Lol sure bud

52 me 48 you

[Slaxx]

Oh and I’m fine with a claim.

I’m VT and going to wear it as a badge of honor that mafia didn’t give me anything.

I tried to draw the night kill last night by hinting there might be other little pieces we are missing but alas here I am.

[Slaxx]

Yup agreed.

I’ll keep my vote off to prevent hammer shenanigans but I’ll check in tomorrow periodically and hopefully we don’t have to wait long for the flip.

[Slaxx]

ngl i thought that i kinda inadvertantly got you nk'd by saying i townread you; was really surprised that nobody died

I was fully expecting to die and try my best to get iced. My first ever game I was mislynched at lylo and still have some ptsd from that so I really really get more shenanigany as the game goes on to try to get that target on my back.

[Slaxx]

Yup. I think it’s in the bag today. I don’t think Mastina planned on getting lynched despite the gambit and I think this was all that could be done. It’s interesting you bring that up because maybe that’s why they thought they could do it.

[Slaxx]

yeah pdoboq has some clearing interactions iwth mastina day1 that i forgot about

Yup. Podo was town on his own and that flip makes him super town.

The Meph-Mastina interactions actually dent my read a little bit but it’s not enough to convince me to switch. Everything they did was within the realm of distancing and Meph’s mention of her voting Mastina as a defense they were partners before she even flipped really erodes any credibility she might have built up doing that.

[Slaxx]

Yup. I think it’s in the bag today. I don’t think Mastina planned on getting lynched despite the gambit and I think this was all that could be done. It’s interesting you bring that up because maybe that’s why they thought they could do it.

yeah
like i said once i got this the question became: who thinks it's a good idea to make me a bp ic in this pl
because if i were scum a player like me is literally the last person i give this role to

and that's kinda the lens that i've been viewing the game since n1
and my best guess was that someone thought they could make me mess up lylo (i've gotten xylo wrong .... exactly once)
and it kinda just felt like someone was trying to make me overthink things

Too many townread you, it was objectively bad play. That power should have gone to me, Kirby, or maybe sheep every time there.

[Slaxx]

Absolutely, unequivocally, you were supposed to get that slot mislynched on day 2.

[Slaxx]

Absolutely, unequivocally, you were supposed to get that slot mislynched on day 2.

?

Your role. They tried to wifom you.

That role was meant to be mislynched before it became mod confirmed. That was the game. You go from easy mode to hard mode not doing it.

[Slaxx]

The nightkill thing read as kind of town to me.

But, there was a point later on where she scumread me strongly but kept mocking me for missing the d1 lynch which raised huge red flags

I think I even pointed it out and no one said much about it

[Slaxx]

Question to everyone:

Would Mastina ever try to be intentionally scummy as town or is it more likely to be scum WIFOM?

This looks like fishing for an out and everything in the ISO come 813 on without a vote looks like distancing.

[Slaxx]

Not 813 on but between 813 and that post

[Slaxx]

Skitter
Nibbul
Pink Ball
The Worst

I’m currently feeling the best about, so far.

Also what the hell happened between 832 and here

[Slaxx]

Oh wait I misread that as a scumlost nvm

[Slaxx]

Meh. I think that’s probably a sign I’ve got my confbias goggles on and need to break.

I think it’s still entirely possible the play was just sloppy and the plan wasn’t put together well, the fact we have one goon flipped and you’re clear supports that. I’ve always been a proponent of lynching based on scumreads and not setup spec but just like Mastina yesterday I don’t see how Meph flips town here even with slightly positive interactions with Mastina.

[Slaxx]

yeah ok those were the townie posts; it's mostly the sheer cluelessness of what their plan had to have been

ngl i wish i just got an inno/guilty on them so that i didn't have to like try to sort them.
my gut says this may be a mislynch but i'd kinda rather it happen today than to try to sort through it in mylo tbh

I get that.

Sheep and Kirby made me a little uncomfortable with the quick votes, so maybe I need to back off setup spec and take a look at the thread again... it’s just... setup spec worked so well yesterday lol.

[Slaxx]

Still though, if you’re reading someone as strong scum like she claimed to be reading me does it really occur to you to mock them for being wrong? I feel like “being wrong” isn’t really a thing with that strong of a scumread, you just assume that was intentional. Idk.

[Slaxx]

I’m also going to sleep but my initial response to that is they didn’t

Yesterday they claimed it was weak and today they claimed it was a 1-shot cop which is decidedly not weak

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Meph

I’ll deal with the fallback if I’m wrong.

I don’t think I’m wrong.

[Slaxx]

Meh. Also the fact she’s stated she’s not for sure on the Sheep guilty but is now 100% sure I’m town based on her responses.

Same weird compartmentalization that went on yesterday. “It’s still a possibility you’re scum but I can’t help but mock your town play and call you wrong”

Calling me wrong and bringing up the TW lynch felt super manipulative. Also I don’t know how you could call my town play bad after yesterday, I feel like I kept people from wifoming themselves out of Mastina. It makes no sense.

[Slaxx]

Just kidding, I'm a vanilla townie. Meph is still scum, tho

VOTE: Meph

VOTE: Meph

I’ll deal with the fallback if I’m wrong.

I don’t think I’m wrong.

And there will be.

I am legit pissed that idiots want to throw this game, when we’re so close to winning. Fuck you, WOAT!!!

Mislynch us and fucking lose us an easy win. Morons.

Congrats sheep and Mastina. You had lots of help from idiot town.

Woah calling people idiots? That’s a report.

[Slaxx]

I am legit pissed that idiots want to throw this game, when we’re so close to winning. Fuck you, WOAT!!!

yOu beTtER wAtCh iT oR i'Ll rePoRT yOu

You’re my spirit animal

[Slaxx]

I requested he did my rap haha

[Slaxx]

Why would I apologize for playing the game as it should lol. Have some dignity, kid.

[Slaxx]

You're already deaaaaaaaaaad you're not getting anything out of this raaaaaant, byeeeeeee

Yes, I am. I will rub all 3 of your faces in this, post-game and every game I have the misfortune to play with such clowns.

They really don’t like it when you use their career as a pejorative

Stay away from red balloons and sewers

[Slaxx]

I don’t mind the fact she’s nasty and mean I mind the fact she can’t take it when it gets thrown back in her face lol

[Slaxx]

what the fuck

What do you have to say for yourself mister

[Slaxx]

I hammered.

[Slaxx]

Meh I’d say it probably does. Maybe like 2/3 of the time.

[Slaxx]

Meh I’d say it probably does. Maybe like 2/3 of the time.

No, because you really are that bad at this game.

You say that a lot

[Slaxx]

I’m really sorry Mastina ruined your chances

[Slaxx]

Also one last thing I didn’t mention and probably should have asked but forgot until I sat down for lunch:

I didn’t buy the claim because if the inno was guaranteed and the guilty was WIFOMy then the proper target would have been a null or town read.

[Slaxx]

I actually think we shouldn’t talk much and no lynch but I’ll wait.

There’s absolutely no reason to tip out hand here, we just make Lylo easier for mafia.

[Slaxx]

I have a sinking feeling I’ve been played.

[Slaxx]

ok so the n2 missing nk *appears* to be a no kill because there's no other mechanism that i know of in this game that could have prevented the nk short of nk'ing me which is just .... really dumb

is there any reason not to no lynch today? i guess i just hope there isn't a n4 strongman or something but that prob isn't too likely, right?

The point of the setup seems to be that you can’t die. Let’s do math.

Today fypov there’s a 1/3 chance.
Tomorrow there’s a 1/2 chance unless you get killed then there’s a 1/3 chance we win still.

So optimally we don’t lynch today.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Slaxx]

Well played skitter

I was sweating why I hadn’t been killed

[Slaxx]

I was really paranoid I’d wake up to you/me/podo in lylo and have to explain myself

[Slaxx]

Lol yeah Podo was probably the better kill in retrospect but you were very vocal about how Town I was so glad I avoided it

[Slaxx]

Idk there’s probably stuff to be learned from meta but I just find it’s use subjective. And I can never use it as part of a case as town even if I think it might be applicable because it would never be genuine.

[Slaxx]

Was the no kill so there wouldn’t be a tracker clear?

I wanted to explain that to skitter but no one else seemed to catch on and I didn’t want to be the one who seemingly knew lmfao

[Slaxx]

I mean you had to use it that night and it didn’t give us an extra mislynch so it made perfect sense

But once again I wasn’t about to say that out loud because I knew how it would look

[Slaxx]

My worst fear was lynching sheep and it being a false guilty.

Also no offense to Nancy but I wouldn’t want her around in lylo.

[Slaxx]

Okay well

Glad I replaced into this game

Made a lot of new virtual friends

Good modding