Newbie 1915: Africa [Game Over!]

[Elements]

VOTE: salami
Because I'm hungry

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TTTT your profile picture is scaring me

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its an adult in a baby mask
see not so scary anymore

surprisingly that worked

[Elements]

Hey guys, I'm new, never played mafia online or in irl at all, but my friends said I should try this so here I am. I'm a bit confused by my role to be honest though, since I'm a Vanilla Townie (it's ok to say that, right?), does that mean I don't get to do anything? Sorry if it's a dumbb question, I've never played before like I said, so I want to find out what I can. Great to get started with you guys, sure this'll be heaps of fun!

Is it just me or does the entirety just reek scum, including the player name?
VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

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Regarding the name, it's a joke from another forum with some of my friends, no relation to this

The name gives contrast to your claimed newbieness. Imo from your first post it's very plausible you are an alt of someone and deciding to play the newbie card for "easy town cred".

Elements: random inexplicable starting vote, voting me for similarly inexplicable (though not quite as bad, I can see why scum (scum is another name for mafia I think) would open like that) reasoning.

The first vote, and to some extent the second, is part of something called RVS (i think, not sure what it stands for, IC help?) where you make random votes (RV) to get the game rolling so we can form reads on people and find scum. Otherwise the game is very slow to start and there is nothing to talk about which helps scum

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Also, while I don't like NotMySpamAccount's opening post, both it and his response to the accusations read as town to me. Also, he's voting for scum, so that's good.

Please could you elaborate on why I am scum?

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WHAT THE HECK I LITERALLY SAID I'M FOR THE TOWN AND NOW YOU ALL WANT ME DEAD WHAT THE HECK SERIOUSLY I POST ONE LITTLE "SLIP" AND NOW Y'ALL ARE GONNA KILL ME

To clear up a misconception you may have. Just because I've voted you doesn't mean I want you dead. Votes are the only tool we have during the day to help us root out scum so using them to apply pressure or even to just spark a reaction is very common. If I wanted you dead this early I would be doing exactly what ruined the first game of forum mafia I played.

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why does this reek scum?

Being very liberal with their role as VT helps mafia significantly more than town so as town there's zero incentive to do this. I explained the name bit earlier. I also have a bit of a habit to mistake bad play for scum play in IRL mafia, so it could also be some of that leaking through.

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If I wanted you dead this early I would be doing exactly what ruined the first game of forum mafia I played.

what was that?

Tunneled someone from very early day 1 and didn't stop the whole day. If you look at my last game (newbie 1912, still happening) it's very similar to what Enter did, but worse

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Ok, so along with the thing you wrote about random votes, I think I get it now. Was your vote on me prompted by something that seemed off and you wanted a new random vote, or did you really think I was scum?

The latter. Whether you are town or scum, that was a scummy post and it warranted a response. My vote on Salami was doing nothing so I changed it to you. I am slightly coming round to the idea of your inexperience getting the better of you, but you are still a scum lean for me.

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You might be using your apparent newness as a cover to conceal your scumminess. It's probably unwise at the very least because it draws people's attention your way.

Stop advising scum on how to play

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Possibly because Elements is scum and needed to point their finger anywhere but at themselves.

I don't really understand this. Are you saying i would've pointed my finger at myself if not for that post?

the name thing isn't a valid reason to suspect him imo

what's the scum incentive for fake-claiming vt here? i can understand that you think there's not town motivation, but i don't know the scum motivation there really either

the name thing isn't that important. It just gives the impression he has existed on forums before thus giving rise to suspicion he could have experience we don't know about. It's more incidental than anything else.
The post itself is more anti-town then scum coming from either side. But if they are scum it could be a "too scummy to be scum" esk post, or a way to say that scummy plays are from inexperience later in the game

don't refer to ongoing games please, it's against the site-rule of 'don't talk about ongoing games'. until it ends pretend it doesn't exist and don't bring it up

Opps! sorry (sheepish face)

elements what's your mafia experience?

This is my 4th game of forum mafia, third on this site. My first was a role madness game with my uni's mafia society. Lets just say that didn't go well. I've played too much town of salem, secret hitler, resistance etc. but only started playing actual mafia in September.

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I don't know what Elements thinks
but I thikn you are scum
so not RVS 4me no more

What are your opinions on the posts skitter has been directing at me about the scumminess, or lack there of, of NMSA's post?

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Better wording:

the name thing isn't that important. It just gives the impression he has existed on forums before thus giving rise to suspicion he could have experience we don't know about. It's more incidental than anything else.

The name is indicative of prior experience, imo. If true he is trying to play dumb and therefore most likely scum

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It's not impossible that NMSA cut the cheese, but you dealt it. Meaning you might have pointed out that his post reeked of scumminess so none of us bother looking at you.

So I only looked for scummines and called it out because I wanted people to look at other people not me?

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I'm probably over analysing this, but it seems like you are actively searching for reasons to call me scum

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Hope it's just to do with time zones

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or we could vote them and hope

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MJL seems town, since she's making reasonable arguments.

what makes her arguments more reasonable than mine?

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@NMSA
@MJL2
couple of quick questions:
would you be happy to lynch one of the inactives now?
would you be happy with no lynch day 1?

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I might not be any good at recognizing evidence with my lack of experience

This is also true for experianced players some of the time. As the IC said; this is a hard game

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Indeed. Hopefully I get better by the end of the game.

That is almost a certainty

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Woo, page top!

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have you played scum before?

nope

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nsg is very good at getting pagetops when she mods

i noticed, that's why i was so exited

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existing on forums before != prior mafia experience

Yea, i just reaslied i was assuming all forums were mafia ones. Good job me

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that on seems like a humble from the context

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I think him throwing shade on Spam for his username was BS and opportunistic.

I feel like this point has been blown way out of proportion

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What mafia experience do you have Salami?

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Then why did you do it?

My post was 9 minutes after NMSA's post. I saw that post and wanted to point out its inherent anti-town vibes so I was looking for anything else that could possibly indicate that they are scum. As I've said, the player name is clearly from someone who's been on forums before so that could indicate lying about experience so I put that in there too.
I have since changed my mind, unsurprisingly, and given NMSA's more recent (after they calmed down) no longer consider that to be anything more than conjecture

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I don't understand how it helps mafia at all if Elements thinks NMSA is mafia?

If you're not helping town, you're probably mafia. I think that is a fair assumption to make. The post is detrimental to town if NMSA is town so there's no reason to do it if they are town. If they are mafia they could be trying to build a wall of inexperience to hide behind - which if successful would help them

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this doesn't seem like something you'd ask someone if you thought they were scum.

why?

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So, to clarify,
As mafia, NMSA pretends not to read the thread (thereby ‘missing’ the post which explains why claiming your role is bad), claims vanilla townie and goes out of his way to ham up his newishness in order to raise suspicion on himself. This is all for the effect of playing up his ‘inexperience’ as a way to lower suspicion.
Do I have that right?

He posted something that was anti-town. That makes him look scummy

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i fell like BBmolla and Tall1s are going to get replaced

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I want more from salami too
VOTE: Salami
comes into the game, gives some reads, calls me 100% scum after 5 pages then stops

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I carefully read through it before replacing in and had a good idea of who the scum were. I feel the same here.

Who do you think the scum are then?

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The only may anyone can 100% know who the scum are on day if if they themselves are scum

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*on day 1

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also "pretty good idea"≠"100% certain"

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If he's town, he'll leave a nice detailed explanation behind to tell us why we should lynch Elements next.

I imagine his "detailed" explanation would be something along the lines of "I'm 100% certain that Elements is mafia and you should trust me"

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Salami wagon is garbage

why is is garbage?

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Oh wait. BBmolla might be scum if Salami is his scum partner.

BBmolla is SE, this is highly unlikely given his experiance

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I don’t like her noncommittal posts.

I agree with this, but I don't think it necessarily signifies scum any more than it does a tentative newbie going through all possibilities

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From the outside looking in, someone may reasonably see me as protecting Elements.

I thought you had a scum lean on me?

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I meant to reevaluate you in light of Salami's flip.

we've still got over 7 days to go, it is far from certain as to who is going to flip. I expect a lot of read changes before that time too

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@BBmolla what are your thoughts on TTTT?

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I believe the lynch occurs when 5 players vote for the same person, up until 10 days. After 10 days, majority rules.

after 10 days, no lynch.
It is much more beneficial for town to keep the day going for as long as sensibly possible so there are lots of interactions to analyse and longer for scum to slip up

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I think we should keep talking until Tall1s is replaced and then do a lynch. Even if it's a mislynch, we'll have gathered some useful evidence to work with.

When we lynch someone the day ends instantly, no more discussion, and mafia get a night to talk to each other and plan and kill (assuming a mislynch). The longer we wait before we lynch the more information town can gather both before and as a result of the lynch.

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I think even if there's a mislynch, the remaining scum member performs a nightkill.

Lynching scum is not a mislynch

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Current Read List

Confirmed Town:

E

l

e

m

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n

t

s

Town Read:

TTTT

Town Lean:

NotMySpamAccount, cbynumber

Null:

BBmolla, skitter30

Scum Lean:

Salami/color]
Scum Read:

MaryJoLisa2

BBmolla: i agree with reasoning behind opinions on MJL. posts seem like scum hunting but i don't understand their stance on Salami

Salami: Very agressive entry into the game with no reasoning other than "i'm right listen to me" which isn't reasoning

MaryJoLisa2: Indecisive and noncommittal posts could be newbieness or scumness. More recently suggesting we end the game early and post 191 are potential scum slips coming from inexperiance. - would change vote but don't want to put at L1 in case of a lol hammer

NotMySpamAccount: now believing that this is his first game, i can seen town reasoning behind his posts and vote changes

cbynumber: nice analysis of posts, asks probing questions

skitter30: probably IC paranoia stopping this from being a town lean, but i don't understand how LAMIST doesn't look scummy at all

TTTT: very much town driven posts and explanations. looking forward to the continuation from post 155

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Confirmed Town: Elements
Town Read:TTTT
Town Lean:NotMySpamAccount, cbynumber
Null: BBmolla, skitter30
Scum Lean:

Salami

Scum Read:

MaryJoLisa2

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Town Read:

TTTT

Town Lean:

NotMySpamAccount, cbynumber

Null:

BBmolla, skitter30

Scum Lean:

Salami

Scum Read:

MaryJoLisa2

Formatting is hard, here's the corrected version

[Elements]

Why do you scum read both me and Salami?

did you read my small spiel?

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are you ever going to say anything other than that?

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That's wrong though, while a lynch is usually preferable to no lynch for town they can be very harmful if chosen unwisely, we can't just pick any lynch. We have to figure out which is the scum

Salami said something helpful

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I did, it just didn't add up to me. If I'm scum and Salami is also scum, then why would he vote to lynch me? Why would he come in, "lay down the law" only to find that his scum partner was giving him a hard time?

It doesn't necessarily have to be me or him, I just don't see why it's me and him.

My reads are based on how you have acted. It doesn't necessarily mean I think you and salami are scum partners, more that I think both of you are behaving scummily. It's slightly hard to explain.

Mafia sometimes vote their own buddies in order to distance themselves so if one is found the other isn't immediately scrutinised for defending and agreeing with them before.

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You arn't voting your scumread though?

My vote would put them at L1. I don't want someone to lol hammer and end the day early

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Imo, questioning people's experience doesn't get town anywhere unless they are using it to cover up mistakes e.g. "oops, i didn't mean it like that. I'm new so that's why i did it" and only then if their experience is suspect

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You arn't voting your scumread though?

My vote would put them at L1. I don't want someone to lol hammer and end the day early

You can put me at L-1. It's just a game. When I'm lynched, you'll learn more information.

at this point I can't tell if you just don't understand or if you're trying reverse psychology

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Yeah, on second thought, let's hold off on l1 under tall1s' replacement starts posting.

@MJL even more reason not to lynch early. If we lynch someone now we learn nothing about tall1s' slot. We effectively go into day two with the addition of a new player.

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I'm just saying, it's cool if you vote to lynch me. I'll just go play another game and I'll have a little more experience under my belt.

Have you legitimately given up?

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Salami you're finally seeing the light!

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we'll talk ourselves into circles

when we get to this point I am happy to to agree and vote you, but before then we can still get information
seeing as you're so eager to get lynched what are your reads on everyone?

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could you do a small rundown on everyone a bit like i did?

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Most of the players in this game have more experience then you are most of us are telling you what a bad idea lynching someone early would be. Now think Mary what is more likely to be the best play here, you continuing to be happy with an early lynch giving you information, or, you listening to the more experienced players here and realising we shouldn't do an early lynch. Even if you don't understand why you should realise it must be pro-town or we wouldn't be labouring this point so much. Respect our collective wisdom. We are trying to help you get better at the game but we can't do that if you're not willing to respond to us.

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4. TTTT (SE) – He’s not trying to confuse anything. He has concerns and he’s trying to give his reasoning for things.

does this mean you're town leaning him?

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Upon revisiting Salami and Skitter's ISO with a fresh mind, I can see the town vibes picked up by BBmolla from salami. I can only assume they were covered up by the general prejudice you get when someone enters the game and calls you 100% scum. As for skitter, nothing she's posted seems particularly game advancing. I just sort of sits in with everything else not causing too much disruption. From an IC i'd imagine much more probing questions to get people to reveal more and potentially slip up
VOTE: Skitter30

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VOTE: Salami
I'll have more to say later

Interested in the follow up to this.

Me too; ngl i think this is one of the worst posts in the game

Skitter, you use a lot of abbreviations and you don't explain them in context. ngl is not in the abbreviations list. Is there a more expanded abbreviations list? I can't tell what's an abbreviation that is just normal lingo like tbh and imo (stuff I think I should know), vs game lingo like ic, ai, rn, and now ngl.

it's normal lingo you should know. If in doubt put "(abreviation) abreviation" into google. if it comes up with something sensible it's probably that, if not go to the wiki

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Welcome DR, enjoy reading the past 10 pages

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Anyone else noticed how MJL's vote has been following mine all game?

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I fully intend to go back to my salami vote at some point
it wasn't a bad vote
and I'm still waiting for a thing

What if this thing never happens?

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This might be my inexperience talking, but does this sound like a cop or something? Or is he just talking about the night kill or the lynch?

couple of things:
1) try as much as possible not to disscuss power roles at all day one. It's the same concept behind not claiming VT straight away. It gives mafia more idea as to who the PRs are and therefore who they should kill. The only rlly acceptable time is if you're going to get lynched.
2) i highly doubt whatever TTTT is waiting for is lynch related or night action related purely because of how the original post was phrased. "later" implies this day phase and if not, that is possibly the most scummy play i've ever seen. My guess is they're waiting for someone to post something to do with reads or maybe a reaction from a less active player or even anything from the DR slot.
I did a similar thing with my vote on skitter. The original reason i was going to vote them was to see if MJL followed my vote. (which she did)
@MJL if you could explain why that would be much appreciated.
but I didnt want to put something like "ill explain later" and then sit around waiting so i re read salami and skitter's ISO's and found acctual reason to change my vote which is what it became.

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No. I very probably cannot stop doing things that are perceived as scummy because too many people have already developed tunnel vision. I think these day phases are so long that they're destructive to town and give scum an advantage by allowing them to work in tandem behind the scenes creating havoc and confusion.

Spam, I do have other RL obligations that take precedence, but I'll be writing up my thoughts soon.

I too had both of these thoughts when I started playing forum mafia. But now I have seen through the blindness I once had. I'm sure you too will get there some day.

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It's such a blasé reaction, almost to a point of not caring about the game. I rlly don't know what to make of it

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I thought i voted salmi first, but apparently not. I was going off you following my on Spam then salami and now skitter. without salami it doesn't have as much traction

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It's such a blasé reaction, almost to a point of not caring about the game. I rlly don't know what to make of it

I'm legitimately starting to have some difficulty with the length of the day phase and the inability to make progress. I'd like my side to win, but as I said in a previous post, we're going nowhere and scum is actively collaborating against us and gathering information on our weaknesses. We're just spinning our wheels and feeding info to scum. Scum has a higher chance of hitting a more valuable target during the nightkill with each post that is made. Elements, I'm not sure why you think we should continue on this path of dragging the day phase out.

I think our best chance to win is to take the hit and let town reevaluate the past conversations in light of the new information that will come from the lynch and night kill.

Reasons:
The more we talk, the more we have to evaluate during the night phase.
We have had next to nothing from the tall1s/DR slot.
I don't think we've reached a point in the discussion where we are harming ourselves.

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I'm still not sure what to make of skitter, she hasn't posted much outside of ic help. The lack of solid info is giving me a slight scumlean, but I'm sure the read will develop more soon.

Why only a slight scum lean? you say she hasn't given much to push the day forward despite being fairly active, surely this is more than just slight scum?

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^ town

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==

In post 296, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
This might be my inexperience talking, but does this sound like a cop or something? Or is he just talking about the night kill or the lynch?


no, i think he means that something would happen or someone would say something that would justify/shed light on his salami vote; i don't think it has anything to do with night actions
(also it's not such a great idea to speculate about what cops may be planning on doing or to point out if you think you see a cop softing - if tttt really is a cop here and you noticed him softing/crumbing, suppose scum hadn't seen him soft - now you've spelled it out for them and they know who to kill tonight)

why bring this back up after multiple people have covered it? you did a similar thing in your previous wall post, bring up something that had been discussed and resolved. It seems unnecessary.

In post 296, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
That kinda fleshes out what I was starting to think about her reaction, just total apathy towards her own imminent death.


yeah so i think the apathy is kinda lamist-y in a scummy kinda way, ngl

what changed your mind on this?

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because i read the thread in order and responded to it before i read those other posts and didn't cut it out

i still don't see the point in including it

[Elements]

i don't think i changed my mind on this?

less of a mind change, more of a coming down on one side of the fence

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(you can't have both of these at the same time)

I think this can be boiled down to MJL's love of fence sitting.

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elements, what do you think of bbmolla?

I'm getting a very much "live fast die young" vibe from them. Not entirely sure what that means it's just how i feel. I also don't get his fascination with why people have Null reads on him. Practically all he's done is say that salami's reaction to his wagon was "genuine" whatever that means, and expressed dislike for MJL's non-committal posts. Neither of which I find pretty polarizing.
If I had to put a read on them other than Null, it would probably be a slight scum lean purely from an activity standpoint.

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Spoiler for my later detailed thoughts: it's because they're probably scumbuddies.

You spoiled my big reveal. We are now bitter enemies.

When is your reveal happening?

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so you think i'm telling spam to play up the newbie act
(and that i'd tell him to claim vt in his opening post knowing that he'd get pushback from it? and then defend him knowing that he'd get pushback for it ... )

like what do you think i'm doing here?

This is why i don't think spam is mafia with anyone active. The only mafia teams it think that are plausible with spam as mafia are him with either bbmolla or tall/DR. I can't imagine anyone advising him something like his first post as a buddy.

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so you think i'm telling spam to play up the newbie act
(and that i'd tell him to claim vt in his opening post knowing that he'd get pushback from it? and then defend him knowing that he'd get pushback for it ... )

like what do you think i'm doing here?

This is why i don't think spam is mafia with anyone active. The only mafia teams it think that are plausible with spam as mafia are him with either bbmolla or tall/DR. I can't imagine anyone advising him something like his first post as a buddy.

i meant salami not bbmolla.

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there's no reason he can't be scum with someone experienced
and he just posted dumb before getting a chance to be coached

that's my point, I imagine scum would chat before their first post, and everyone else was active enough to have given spam a quick rundown or some hints and tips. except for salami and tall/RD

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@IC
do scum get access to their chat before the game thread opens?

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Have you cansidered that I might be town, and that nobody coached me on what to say because I don't have a way to do so outside of the main thread?

that's my reasoning for you not being scum. If you were your partners would be one of salami and tall/DR. obviously i have no read on DR but i town read salami so that rules out that option for me. Plus the more scummy people like MJL and bbmolla who i don't think would be partnered with you.

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My town reasoning for you is more "these are the only possibilities you could be scum in. They don't work IMO so you town"

[Elements]

Elements is close to null, but I'm leaning town a bit.

Would you mind elaborating on this?

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Have you cansidered that I might be town, and that nobody coached me on what to say because I don't have a way to do so outside of the main thread?

that's my reasoning for you not being scum. If you were your partners would be one of salami and tall/DR. obviously i have no read on DR but i town read salami so that rules out that option for me. Plus the more scummy people like MJL and bbmolla who i don't think would be partnered with you.

Just so I'm not misunderstanding, you:
1) Think NMSA is town based on the fact you can't pair him up with anyone
2) Don't see a case for him to be scum independently from other players? <- that is to say, looking at him in isolation from everyone else, you come down on the side of town for him?

Yea in a nutshell.

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Follow up to 2): is that based solely on his play at the beginning of the day, or are there other factors?

the scum partner thing is based on that. my town read on him is mostly other stuff

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also you know I'm a Loopdan alt, right?

Ooooooh, I had no idea

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@Elements - your take on skitter v. maryjo?

I have scum reads/leans on both of them.
Skitter has been v/la and used that as an excuse for not pushing the game forwards or actively scum hunting as much as others. Could be true, hopefully now it's ended they can do this more and persuade my they are town. I'd rather not lynch a town IC day one again.

I see MJL as a a wild card. You never know what her reaction is going to be to anything. I don't like her non committal posts (unsurprisingly) nor her reasoning of "bouncing ideas of people".

Most of their interactions seem to end in either an apology for not responding because of IRL stuff, "thanks for help", or "DW i get you have irl stuff". I'm not rlly sure what to make of that.

atm, id rather lynch skitter hence me not changing my vote

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So I’m going to get off the fence right now. I do feel that you’re playing scum this game and my judgement isn't based on your being ic and it's not based solely on the distancing and cover I've observed. I don’t see you advancing town’s position and contributing to the scum hunting and I find that your primary objective seems to be distracting us and asking questions to make us second guess ourselves.

I was of the opinion you thought skitter was scum since your vote in 289. I agree with skitter that the biggest problem is your reasoning in 330. If you have come off the fence could you clear your now thoughts on that up?

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My current view is that the 2 scrum are in:
Skitter
MJL
Tall/DR
Bbmolla

[Elements]

I'm still pretty great with my vote but a skitter vote also looks pretty nice

You come back after over 100 posts and that's all you have to say?

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VOTE: BBmolla

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lmao

what do you even want to know, I think the two current wagons are on the scummiest players

I want you to actually help the game progress. And randomly popping up every 100 posts saying "seems good" is not helpful at all.

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lmao

what do you even want to know, I think the two current wagons are on the scummiest players

I want you to actually help the game progress. And randomly popping up every 100 posts saying "seems good" is not helpful at all.

Why not? If the game is going the way I think is correct than why spam the thread?

Having just gone through your ISO, you have made a grand total of 4 noticeable remarks all game.
1) MJL is probs scum because of non-committal posts
2) Salami is town because of genuine reactions
3) How come no one has any reads on me?
4) I'm happy with a skitter/MJL lynch
It's almost like you're scum letting us lynch MJL/skitter who you know are town.

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the only 2 reasons you've given for you actions have been MJL is indecisive and salami had a genuine reaction. you haven't told us anything about why you town read other people. or rlly much about your scum read on skitter. you said "not getting any townvibes" great. I'm not getting any from you but the key difference is

I'm explaining why

it's a very helpful thing for town to do

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And it's not spam if you're explaining your thoughts

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@BBmolla what are your thoughts on TTTT?

i didn't like their posts but I'm waiting to see if it's cause they're scum or it's their personality

Have you come up with anything for this?
for example

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surely he also wouldn't play so scummily

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Especially after that incredibly LAMIST post of his about how and when Mafia communicate during a game

How else do you want me to go about asking?

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VOTE: BBmolla

^not town

Why is this not town?

[Elements]

@elements reads like you're looking for a reason to get off the Skitter wagon without anyone noticing.

We've still got 4 days left I'm just exploring other options.

[Elements]

Glad you agree with me that your other post was not town though!

Yea, I could definitely have phrased it better. I'm just not entirely sure why people defending him on the basis that he's playing scummily so can't be scum because he's experienced so wouldn't play like that as scum. Literally saying he's unlikely to be scum due to his scummy behaviour.

[Elements]

Elements you are making my head spin now

Do you think BBmolla's playing has been scummy?

[Elements]

eh, well PMs are much more messy

[Elements]

Elements you are making my head spin now

Do you think BBmolla's playing has been scummy?

Not really

even his inactivity?

[Elements]

Elements you are making my head spin now

Do you think BBmolla's playing has been scummy?

Not really

even his inactivity?

[Elements]

not sure how that happened

[Elements]

surely he also wouldn't play so scummily

What is scummy about my play?

your general air of "yea everything seems fine so i'm not going to mess it up by posting"

[Elements]

I don't really see how, by voting bbmolla, he would expect to get a different reaction from a player who comes across the way BB does than the one he did?

I didn't realise quite how apathetic he is.

[Elements]

I didn't realise quite how apathetic he is.

Given my vote has done literally nothing I'll move it back.
VOTE: skitter

[Elements]

Just going to put these two posts here with a question mark

I'm all caught up and I think today's lynch should be on salami. If not on salami, then on BB or Skitter

I'm not sure what I'm doing with NMSA and CB right now but I don't want to lynch inside of them today.

but the rest of you are town I'm pretty sure

i need to find a vote count

so do a bunch of other teams tho.

Salami, BB, NMSA are my preferred lynches in order for today. These don't line up exactly with my reads because the length of time these two wagons have existed without change + my paranoia of nmsa and cb make me want to hold off on skitter right now

VOTE: salami

i can't believe this doesn't have more interest.
Can my town reads please go back and read salami's iso? or my posts on his slot?

?

[Elements]

I'm going v/la this weekend, so here's my current read list:

Town Read:

cbynumber, TTTT

Town Lean:

NotMySpamAccount, u r a person 2

Null:

Salami

Scum Lean:

BBmolla

Scum Read:

skitter30, MaryJoLisa

Salami: Entered the game with a scummy vibe. Random accusations with no reasoning behind it. Further on he got better and made some nice accusations with reasoning that made me favour town. Recently, URAP2's posts have made me question my read so I'm no longer fully sure. I can see salami flipping scum or town and neither would surprise me.

NotMySpamAccount: Inexperience seems to be the word of the day. Ignoring the first few pages, I do like a lot of what they've had to say, especially from a new player. His reads seem genuine and thought through, despite their uncertainty - due to inexperience.

cbynumber: Most of his posts have been pushing the game forward, asking questions, clearing up things in his mind. These are all town things to do, hence my read.

u r a person 2: I like the enthusiasm and thoughts brought into the game from the moment they joined. Thought provoking posts but they seem to have messed up who they want to lynch.

MaryJoLisa: Lots of scummy posts throughout the game thread. That's all I rlly have to say.

BBmolla: I don't feel that he's rlly help the game progress at all. Doesn't want to "spam the thread" while trying to show the people who don't agree with him why they are wrong. I can't rlly see town motivations behind that.

TTTT: My strongest town read. I like their reasoning behind their votes. They are actively searching for scum. I'm now just mildly paranoid they're scum and have completely pocketed me.

skitter30: Similar to my last read, I don't see as much game progressing stuff as I'd like. Lots of posts conversing with MJL. I think we all know you think she's scum.

[Elements]

@mod i think TTTT changed their vote to salami?


fixed, thanks.

-nsg

[Elements]

@MJL do you see why long day phases is good for town yet?

[Elements]

how're you feeling about the wagon you're on, elements?

I think you summed it up pretty well here:

this vote count feels like a town wagon on town that scum is watching

[Elements]

I can imagine a urap/skitter scum pair going on. If so then urap has played possibly the best game of mafia I've seen and I graciously accept defeat.
If skitter is scum, I can see a reason her buddy wouldn't be on the wagon at this point, but given the slow growth it doesn't seem like they are, leading to the conclusion that skitter is town. But that goes against my reads, although it is a possibility.
Salami's disappearance off the face of the earth is also strange. And given that he has been online since urap joined, I don't understand why he hasn't posted anything.
VOTE: Salami
I do now think this is the way to go

[Elements]

There was meant to be a bit between those two posts (which were meant to be one) but mobile posting is stupid so who knows where that's gone.

[Elements]

Yeah, on second thought, let's hold off on l1 under tall1s' replacement starts posting.

@MJL even more reason not to lynch early. If we lynch someone now we learn nothing about tall1s' slot. We effectively go into day two with the addition of a new player.

Yeah, you're right UNVOTE: Elements

hold up
You were the only vote on elements
So why unvote? He was at no risk of being lynched
This is super lamist

@cb did you see this? how is this town? He was the ONLY vote on elements

Thanks for bringing this back up. I'm ashamed I didn't notice it before.

[Elements]

I can imagine a urap/skitter scum pair going on. If so then urap has played possibly the best game of mafia I've seen and I graciously accept defeat.
If skitter is scum,

I can see a reason her buddy wouldn't be on the wagon at this point, but given the slow growth it doesn't seem like they are

, leading to the conclusion that skitter is town. But that goes against my reads, although it is a possibility.
Salami's disappearance off the face of the earth is also strange. And given that he has been online since urap joined, I don't understand why he hasn't posted anything.
VOTE: Salami
I do now think this is the way to go

I'm assuming there's a typo here. But if not, explain?

Typo "I can't see a reason"
Again, apologies for mobile posting

[Elements]

so he puts his nullread at L-1 instead of his scumread at L-2?
there were 2 days 17 hours left when he did that

Yeah of a day that was 14 days long

I can easily see someone new thinking 2 days = we have to get a lynch and don't have time

Everything BB said here can also come from scum!NMSA with the addition of putting someone other than his buddy at L1. Then salami could've come in and hammered skitter for a mislynch.

VOTE: NMSA

This is L-1

[Elements]

GG everyone!
@urap@TTTT idk about you but I enjoyed this game more than the other one's i've played with you

@nmsa good job playing the as the scum team pretty much on you own. Especially for your first game. I don't think there were many things you could've done better (except your first post). you were very unlucky with salami, if he'd been active things might have been different. I'll definitly steal some of your ideas when i eventually roll scum

That was my third newbie game, so ill hopefully see you all in the world of experience!

also great job mod. the dedication to page top vote counts was much appreciated