Greatest Idea Mafia - Game Over

[TTTT]

Oka i don't understand what you are saying

[TTTT]

yeah you're gonna have to spell it out for me

[TTTT]

yeah you're gonna have to spell it out for me

Scum alignments are noncompatible with IC, so if they wanted to be scum, they would have to discard IC.

got it.

[TTTT]

but that 10% is the edge you need to win as town

[TTTT]

I think it's very likely
that NotMy would choose a town role over a scum role
just thought that should be put out here

[TTTT]

everyone should claim the alignments of their two accepted cards
not the ability
just the alignments

I don't see how this hurts and it may help later by restricting fake-claims
if this is a dumb idea say so

[TTTT]

actually this might be a bad idea...

[TTTT]

I'm trying to think through if it gives scum an advantage in multi-ball

[TTTT]

There is an Alien 1-shot Unlynchable card.

The way he named his role though is exactly how it’s named for the Town card which makes me believe that’s the card he had, and it sounded like he tried to use the role name to imply his alignment without claiming what specific card he took alignment from which is also suspicious to me.

^this
+ needing all three cards to be town
+ choosing unlynchable over IC
= vig shot

[TTTT]

so like I have a reason for wanting everyone to claim their cards' alignments
but since nobody is interested I'll move on
for now

[TTTT]

Got that FOS on orhz, a couple TR’s on TTTT and Pint. These are all based on discards though and I haven’t seen enough to form reads away from that yet.

100% of the time I will choose a shitty town role over any scum role
doesn't make me conftown
cuz I could have drawn all scum cards
The More You Know^TM

[TTTT]

but idk what your role is and if u think it really helps us that much, maybe you can claim it and convince us

no it helps me a little
but if everyone sees risks associated with the idea
then I'm fine not pushing it
at some point I think it's a reasonable step before a full mass-claim

[TTTT]

61. Town Godfather
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Idea_Mafia

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For the record, I picked unlynchable rather than IC because I felt like it, I'm a noob, I don't know which is better, and I don't want to get lynched. I guess it was a bad choice.

what was your third card?

[TTTT]

How, do you think he legitimately just has no sense of a joke?

neuro-diversity

[TTTT]

Nimueh might be scum

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it takes 9 votes to lynch.

I forgot how big this game is...

[TTTT]

VOTE: Pinturicchio

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RVS

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reaction test?

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PoE?

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daycop?

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I gave you four possible reasons and you reject them all?
greedy.

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Oh, but by discard TTTT probably not scum.

what if it's like next level shit
where I discarded strongman and got like goon
just for that sweet towncred?

[TTTT]

sorry I'm not trying to be difficult
I'm just bored at work right now

[TTTT]

a game more likely than not to be multiball (by the numbers).

I thought this game was explicitly multiball

[TTTT]

a game more likely than not to be multiball (by the numbers).

I thought this game was explicitly multiball

I've played this setup on micro twice, and it will only be multiball if more than one person picks a single anti-town faction, and then another person picks a different anti-town faction.

It's not assured.

yeah I just re-read the rules

The game will be considered valid if a majority of alignments selected are town, and at least one non-town faction has multiple members.

[TTTT]

@MOD
is Mass Redirector a valid ability for any alignment other than Alien?
I don't see any other Redirector's listed here

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@MOD - ^up there
sorry not bolded

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so like I have a reason for wanting everyone to claim their cards' alignments
but since nobody is interested I'll move on
for now

can you restate the reason?

I never stated it

[TTTT]

bad claim
I don't believe you chose town nurse over town tracker

intent to hammer

Pedit: what brass just said yep

[TTTT]

how dare you

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K. I’m not a huge fan of tracker. I’d prefer to have a protective role later in the game. Ur gonna lynch me over having a preference

you'd prefer to maybe have a protective role later in the game if you even make it to later in the game
over being a tracker
m'kay

[TTTT]

yes. Is that an issue for you?

yeah because you are basically claiming that you are bad at this game

[TTTT]

my intent to hammer doesn't prevent you from catching up

[TTTT]

@mcqueen

[TTTT]

go do your catchup
I'm not hammering for at least an hour

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yes, because i can read 19 pages and add commentary on it within an hour. piss off

not that with attitude you can't

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I'm not saying do a comprehensive deep dive
but you can do something

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I buy pint's Miller claim
he discarded Maf Godfather
he claims he kept Town Godfather and Miller
if he's faking the claim why not fake he kept a town role with more than one card?
by fake-claiming he kept Town Godfather (only 1 card) he risks a counterclaim that could be avoided by claiming a VT card (that has 12 copies)

[TTTT]

I'd prefer if tttt didn't hammer and let me hammer

then why haven't you hammered?
curious why you find it necessary to post this

[TTTT]

mcqueen we have your reads
do I really need to drag this out?

[TTTT]

mcqueen we have your reads
do I really need to drag this out?

yes

ok so plz stop with the fuck offs
and keep reading and posting thoughts

[TTTT]

who here has experience playing with mcqueen?

[TTTT]

mcqueen
I'm not ready yet sorry

[TTTT]

no need to end the day just yet

[TTTT]

need more thoughts from everyone else
on your lynch

[TTTT]

anybody wanna hear a hitler joke?
fair warning it's not very funny

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so I kinda wanted to hear back from Oka first
about why he wanted to hammer but I have to drive home soon and want to spend some time in twilight...
VOTE: mcqueen

[TTTT]

Thank TTTT

[TTTT]

so tell us the flip or spread some WIFOM
just don't do nothing plz

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I'm town mason
the other mason is 5/6 odds town
1/6 odds werewolf mason
my cards are:
Werewolf Mason
FBI Agent

[TTTT]

maybe let's think about the lack of deaths n1
in a 13 player Greatest Idea game

[TTTT]

why not play strongman werewolf?

I hate being scum

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I'm town mason
the other mason is 5/6 odds town
1/6 odds werewolf mason
my cards are:
Werewolf Mason
FBI Agent

Why are those the odds? Are those the same odds that the other mason has for you?

masons are either town or werewolf
there are roughly six times as many town cards as werewolf cards
that's also the proportion of mason roles (6 town, 1 werewolf)
regardless I'm treating the other mason as town based on our masonry discussion

[TTTT]

looks like masons can also be aliens

and cults and sks and lynchers and survivors

that's not my understanding

[TTTT]

quickhammer why?

looked like scum
didn't think it was that quick

[TTTT]

pick 1 choose 1 only blocks mafia masons

well shit
still not doubting the other Mason
and neither should you if I flip and they claim
my mason has ways to confirm in case someone else fake-claims

[TTTT]

ok but like why didnt you let me do it

I claimed intent first
I checked the order so knew you couldn't be lyncher for McQueen
why does it matter?

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quickhammer why?

Because I felt like it and McQueen was not being towny at all

umm you didnt hammer

sorry
Gamma's my alt

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m

cqueen

I

'm not ready yet sorry

n

o need to end the day just yet

n

eed more thoughts from everyone else

o

n your lynch

s

o I kinda wanted to hear back from Oka first

a

bout why he wanted to hammer but I have to drive home soon and want to spend some time in twilight...
VOTE:

m

cqueen

backwards
ignore the hitler joke
threw that post in to make it undetectable
search my games for "hitler joke" I say this in every game

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I'm town mason
the other mason is 5/6 odds town
1/6 odds werewolf mason
my cards are:
Werewolf Mason
FBI Agent

You were already hammered, before I could do anything to stop it. Sorry. :/

[TTTT]

I’d like to know who’s done the most communicating in that PT and if it looks like either have them have seemed to avoid questions asked by the other.

@TTTT, did you guys talk during the two real life days that happened during N1?

here's everything we've discussed:
during pre-game I talked about the importance of crumbing
I explained that we are not conftown to each other (Nim thought we were)
I claimed my two cards and asked Nim to do the same but he didn't post again pre-game
I wanted to see his two cards before the discarded cards were revealed at game-start
during day1 not much happened
Nim said he thought masons were conftown
he also claimed his two cards
and after the backup mod ego posted he asked if he was a third mason
I explained again that we are not conftown to each other as werewolf mason is a thing (and apparently there are more that I didn't realize)
I explained my crumbs and how to point them out if I get lynched and Nim wants to claim later

I TR Nim for the naivete
which I know can be faked but it feels real
wish he'd claimed his cards pre-game but it's not like he was active during that time

[TTTT]

Why isn't anyone else participating in preferred alignment and roletalk

I'd take any town role over any scum role
as long as the town role wasn't negative utility

[TTTT]

@Gamma
more words about Oka plz

[TTTT]

The tl;dr is that I would really like to vote in {Allo, TGP} today.

I agree
VOTE: TGP

[TTTT]

Why is Elsa insistent on multiball theory and believes scum shot survivor? Pretty obv to me that its a town motivated kill.

I agree

[TTTT]

I think Oka is town

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I have no problems with this plan - I proposed it day1
Vedith if you full claim wait until after the alignment cards claims are done
I don't mind going first
but if we wanna force TGP to go first that's fine too

[TTTT]

fuck it I'll go first

2-card alignment claim

my two kept cards are:
town
werewolf

next to claim is TGP

[TTTT]

don't kill me
1. I'm town
2. I'm your window into Nim's soul
3. I never got to tell my Hitler joke

TGP needs to die

[TTTT]

Meh I buy Oka's claim.

agreed

[TTTT]

I'm not voting pint

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dave goes first cuz he's scum 100%

3p, and not even antitown per se.

your wincon is to lynch town so...

[TTTT]

We're not wasting a lynch on a 3p claim this early. Period.

agreed
someone shoot him

[TTTT]

does anybody TR TGP?
speak up I can't hear you

[TTTT]

lynch TGP
shoot dave

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why?

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fuck I forgot TGP claimed unlynchable
no wonder nothing you guys were saying made sense

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VOTE: elsa

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seriously gamma if I die
how are you going to deal with Nim?

[TTTT]

I'm a Watcher, Gamma. Sooner or later in getting killed anyway.

TTT is scummy and we kill both him and Dave.

Mechanical benefits points to lynching TTTT. Especially after that horrible suggestion.

Pedit: Nim doesn't even want to play. They're a non-variable in your lynch, TTTT.

get my name out yo mouth

[TTTT]

@Elsa what do you confirm about Nim by killing me?

[TTTT]

can you give an update on what has been said in your pt?

@tttt

nothing new
I've told the game 90% of that thread

[TTTT]

lern to read

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hasn't done shit for town that you are aware of

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bc elsa isn't this dumb

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and I'd rather lynch scum than third party deadweight

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so we're just assuming dave is lyncher and not groupscum?

Why would he fake claim lyncher?

he got caught fake-claiming so he is using it to lynch me
bc he saw my soft
so did Elsa
but she's acting like she didn't

[TTTT]

maybe let's think about the lack of deaths n1
in a 13 player Greatest Idea game

This is a 16 player game, but I see your point.

[TTTT]

nothing you just said is a response to my argument that you saw that soft and are acting like you don't know what it meant

[TTTT]

can we kill elsa now?
I mean if everyone wants to kill dave first I'm fine with that

[TTTT]

What soft now? I ignore shit that isn't obvious or from someone I actually care the opinion about.

yeah it's the classic "TTTT looks like an idiot so I can steamroll his mislynch" move
only half of that is right

[TTTT]

I suspected him ever since the Alch fiasco and that crumb he mentioned.

Spoiler:

[TTTT]

notice Elsa now admits she saw the crumb in 972
just a few posts ago when I implied I had done something for town she said masons have no night action
she wanted me to out something more than mason and she got what she wanted
but it's gonna cost her

[TTTT]

im going to go to random number generator and shoot someone at random unless you guys lynch dave today : ]

shoot elsa tonight?

[TTTT]

Also would a TTTT lynch satisfy your condition?

c'mon are you reading these last pages?

[TTTT]

Why TTTT over Nim, Elsa?

bc she's scum who saw me soft doc
does anybody read my posts?

[TTTT]

Why TTTT over Nim, Elsa?

bc she's scum who saw me soft doc
does anybody read my posts?

You cant be doctor and Mason. The hell are you doing no

I 0% believe you don't know this

[TTTT]

I'm town mason
the other mason is 5/6 odds town
1/6 odds werewolf mason
my cards are:
Werewolf Mason
FBI Agent

You threw away Werewolf Mason, TTT. Your not a doctor Mason. Because then you'd have to be a Wolf.

I lied

[TTTT]

Elsa you already admitted you saw that doc soft
what are you on about now?

[TTTT]

Elsa still acting like she didn't know I was mason doc after that soft

[TTTT]

you are good at sowing confusion
I'll give you that

the doc soft was here and last night you admitted to seeing it...

maybe let's think about the lack of deaths n1
in a 13 player Greatest Idea game

This is a 16 player game, but I see your point.

I'm going to plea for sleep since I'll only get crazier if I stay on any longer. Just trust me when I say I think the best town thing to do is kill TTT here. I suspected him ever since the Alch fiasco and that crumb he mentioned.

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Elsa- like I said before you aren't this dumb
I'd just pointed out the soft before you posted 1719

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Yeah and I agreed so you'd shut up about having a soft. Clearly that's on me. Now your a confirmed liar and are Scum
End of story TTT.

admits to lying
calls me scum for lying

[TTTT]

TTTT claim your cards for real.

And who you healed last night.

mason doc
fbi agent

I don't think I should claim my target
without knowing if this is multiball
probably just helps scum
Nim knows in case it's relevant later and I'm not around

[TTTT]

TTTT doesn't have the minerals to hammer.

how dare you
VOTE: davesaz

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So ur alignment card is town fbi agent’s town, right?

yes

[TTTT]

later gator

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I thought I'd moved my vote to dave last night
if I'd know I had the hammer I would have done that hours ago!

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Actually, wait, there's no weak hider in the deck...

this isn't a Normal
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hider

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A Weak Hider is the original form of the Hider. This modified role is the most common version of this role. A Weak role will die upon targetting a scum player.

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lol I quoted you the wiki to answer your question
how is that shutting down discussion?

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^@brass

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@Elsa
let's not be hasty
did anybody target brass?
don't say who yet, just how many
thanks

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Nobody visited Brass, not including myself. I'd hope nobody but me or another Doctor would, really.

interesting
I know a 1v1 that has at least one scum

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@brass
who'd you target?

[TTTT]

What do you mean, TTT?

there are two players in this game who at least of them is scum
mechanically proven FMPOV
I need to hear from brass first though before I say more

[TTTT]

there are two players in this game who at least *one* of them is scum

[TTTT]

night action claims:
oka vigs TGP (success)
Elsa watches brass (nobody visits)
brass docs DT
vedith investigates ???
TTTT docs ???

[TTTT]

has DT claimed a role?
I can't remember

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how would mass claim help town tho? i am genuinely asking. i, too, am a town PR btw

I just see this

[TTTT]

once Vedith posts
I have some juicy info

[TTTT]

I am not mason doc
just a regular mason
Nim claimed mason doc in our PT during pre-game
I claimed mason doc to eat the NK
always wanted to roleswap
and doing it with a mason is easy
last Night Nim said, "I decided to doc Brass, since he hardclaimed town doc."

Nobody visited Brass, not including myself. I'd hope nobody but me or another Doctor would, really.

One of Nim / Elsa is scum

there is like 0 chance Nim would be roleblocked

[TTTT]

night action claims:
oka vigs TGP (success)
Elsa watches brass (nobody visits)
brass docs DT
vedith hides behind pint (and lives)
Nim docs brass

someone make sense of this

[TTTT]

I'm pretty sure that's the correct vote

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Though tttt why aren't u voting elsa

I intend to hammer

[TTTT]

As for Elsa, wouldn’t it be beyond stupid for him to lie about this? He’d have to obviously know that once I flip, he’s toast right?

but she was caught in the lie before I outed that you visited brass

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Nim there are like a billion claimed town PRs here (including me last night)
if you were roleblocked it was by town
if nobody claims they RB'd you
Elsa is confscum to you

[TTTT]

VOTE: elsa either she is not town watcher, or at least one of TTTT and Nim are scum.

scum!TTTT doesn't resolve this
unless it is with scum!Nim
so one of Elsa/Nim is scum

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As for Elsa, wouldn’t it be beyond stupid for him to lie about this? He’d have to obviously know that once I flip, he’s toast right?

but she was caught in the lie before I outed that you visited brass

Oh okay, good point but if a jk or role stopper visited Brass, that could also account for his results, no?

Elsa would have see a roleblocker visit brass
A jailkeeper on brass would have meant Elsa's visit failed

[TTTT]

that's my point
the only way you are both town is if you were roleblocked
and a scum RB wouldn't have targeted you

[TTTT]

yeah I don't think you are scum
I'm just explaining that from everyone else point of view
one of you or Elsa have to be scum

[TTTT]

I don't get why are you trying to find a way around this

[TTTT]

like you've been barely participating in the game
and now that there is confscum from your POV
you are all over this game thread trying to talk out of it
???

[TTTT]

what am I missing here?

[TTTT]

that's fair

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Nim there are like a billion claimed town PRs here (including me last night)
if you were roleblocked it was by town
if nobody claims they RB'd you
Elsa is confscum to you

Okay WHY does rn have to be town?

what I mean is...

IF

Nim was RB'd it was by a town RBer
bc there is no way scum RBer targets Nim
with this many PR claims

so the only way Nim and Elsa are both town is if a town RBer targeted Nim Last night

[TTTT]

he has this wacky theory that scum!pintun had a scum doc friend heal him to clear pintu from the hider check

[TTTT]

I mean.. it's possible I guess

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he has this wacky theory that scum!pintun had a scum doc friend heal him to clear pintu from the hider check

It's actually very likely if nim is Scum.

I see it
scum!Nim didn't visit brass
which explains Elsa not seeing anybody visit brass
which almost makes more sense than scum!Elsa lying about nobody visiting brass when she knows Nim did visit
of course this assumes scum!Elsa is watcher
Scum!Elsa!NotWatcher makes sense too though
my head hurts
just ignore this post I don't know if it works

[TTTT]

I think an Elsa flip tells us the most
and that's my preference between her and Nim based on play anyway

[TTTT]

Hey TTTT, how about stop WIFOMing my slot? If Elsa is town, I'm still town. If Nimueh is scum, I'm still town. I've been an important town voice during the whole game. I had a hider behind me yesterday and I'm not confirmed 'cause I could have a doc friend? So DT is confirmed but I'm not?

I claimed Miller in my first post. I was vanillaised. I got a hider behind me. I can't be more town than this. And as I said on D2, I'm a liability for the scumteam 'cause I'm probably the only VT of the entire game and they need to lynch me instead of nightkilling me. So if you keep pushing the idea I'm scum because of whatever, I'm going to assume you're scumclaiming. I'm tired of this bullshit, get fucking better at this game and recognize obvtown when you have it in front of you.

I'm just talking mechanics
in terms of what's possible
I will be voting Elsa today

[TTTT]

TTTT isn't saying either of you are Scum he's covering all areas.

Vedith gets me

[TTTT]

night action claims:
oka vigs TGP (success)
Elsa watches brass (nobody visits)
brass docs DT
vedith investigates ???
TTTT docs ???

VOTE: Nimueh

I'm a JOAT

I rb'd Nimueh last night, and I suspect that's why there was only one kill last night

Another possible explanation for the lack of NK is that scum tried and failed to kill DT last night, but I don't think it's very probable that they would kill DT over two claimed doctors and a vig

full claim
all your cards
thx

[TTTT]

I'm Town Cop. Cop was role, Bulletproof Townie was alignment. Inv'd NMSA N1 and got Not Mafia, inv'd Okapoka last night and also got Not Mafia.

explain your thinking behind your sad choices

[TTTT]

pretty ballsy play if true

[TTTT]

replace ballsy with dumb then

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given these claimed night actions
why is ohfrz more likely scum than elsa?
real question
I'm trying to figure this out

[TTTT]

JOAT, Mason, Mason

alignments on the kept cards?

[TTTT]

Don't get me wrong, I believe you.

I think town are
DT, TTTT, nim, Brass, Pintu and Oka

why DT?
I'm with you on everyone else

[TTTT]

yeah that's a pretty good reason to TR someone

[TTTT]

town:
DT, TTTT, nim, Brass, Pintu, Oka, Vedith

leaving:
Allo, ofrhz, Gamma, Elsa

so I'm trying to decide if no-lynch is better than just lynching in the PoE pool
alien faction does seem likely
if we no-lynch what's the best order for the day4 claiming of results?

[TTTT]

Are you really gonna ignore my beautiful piece of art and not vote Elsa?

in recognition of your artistic genius
I award you this vote
VOTE: Elsa

[TTTT]

i think that's L-2

[TTTT]

but I'm not really paying attention

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@MOD

are the abilities in parenthesis behind the SK roles transferable when choosing cards?
like if I had:
Serial Killer (immune to mafia kills)
Vanilla Townie
Werewolf

Could I become

VT (immune to mafia kills)

?

[TTTT]

do you know the answer?

[TTTT]

isn't it obvious why I'm asking?
I wanna know if you had the option of being VT (immune to mafia kills)
and chose Vanillaizer instead

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VOTE: ofrhz

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So basically
Lynch you
Me on Oka
Oka on nim
Nim on Brass
Brass on DT
DT on TTTT?

From my perspective this game can't be lost now.
And given how little kill influence there is, even for everyone else this plan should be an auto win now.

For now I'll be visiting Oka

reminder that Mafia mason isn't a thing so Nim and I are not possible partners for Elsa
but you should also know that from gameplay
it does not seem likely at all that there is another scum faction

[TTTT]

that quote doesn't go there
meant to just say yeah this works to that quote

[TTTT]

Nim put in an action to doc Vedith
I told her to change it to brass
Once she confirms this treat me like conftown
thanks

[TTTT]

VOTE: ofrhz

one more vote ends the game

[TTTT]

If Vedith was docced, results on Gamma are inconclusive.

Nim said she was changing her doc to you
sorry I didn't make that clear

[TTTT]

gg to all
fun playerlist
you all have my unending love and loyalty

[TTTT]

@mcqueen - why'd you choose nurse over tracker?

[TTTT]

there's something funny in Elsa Jay's role PM in the mod thread...

[TTTT]

hey Micc thanks for modding a great game
let's just reroll again with this playerlist

/in

[TTTT]

I had crappy crads for the most part: tentacled townie and alpha goon, mason doc was the only decent one and had to be aligned with town. That made the choice easy. I also didn’t know your discards get outted.

Mason doc is a great role
you get the unlimited night action
you get a PT with another player
you can roleswap with the other mason(s)
just the fact that you can claim and have it backed up by another player is very strong
mason+ability is my dream role