Open 757: Panic Room!

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VOTE: lawliet

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best mafia strategy is to sound townie in day 1, get recruited, recruit his partner in day 2 and afterwards buss the bomb

it`s a insta win that way as far as i know

if two mafia get into the neighbourhood, it`s very dangerous for town, because they can begin killing inside the neighbourhood and by bussing the bomb later, win the game.

i was thinking about what we should do to prevent that, but didn`t want to break my newbie theatre but well...now it doesn`t really make a difference.

Makes quick read flips very telling I would think

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actually,
VOTE: flubb

Makes quick read flips very telling I would think

can you do sth more useful than that?

Not really

This is also a dumb vote

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Saud should stay out of the bunker as either alignment

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actually,
VOTE: flubb

Makes quick read flips very telling I would think

can you do sth more useful than that?

Not really

This is also a dumb vote

Then why are you even playing tbh
Can someone tell me if it’s normal for Flubb to be like that?

It's dumb

You know this

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Bunker is the neighborhood

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Look town then

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VOTE: awestfie

Whats up here

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VOTE: lich

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Basically he takes quite a lot way too seriously. I played with him in unstable mafia - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=78981

I pushed him for similar stuff (not exactly the same mind) and I don’t think this is outside of town him at all.

Ill check this out later though there's more to that post than taking things too seriously

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Saud should stay out of the bunker as either alignment

That's a bad way to see things.
If he's town and calls scum correctly or town correctly then scum are just going to push this kind of view to keep him out.

Tell me more about how you read him

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He literally voted Dr Worm because Overki11 said he had a n0 guilty on him (obv a joke) and Lich was not RVSing.

There weren't six pages of content to go after when he did this

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His incredibly careless attitude is easy to fake as scum and I think that makes him hard to read

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Why was there a reason for eyes?

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His incredibly careless attitude is easy to fake as scum and I think that makes him hard to read

So we should by policy ignore him even if he provides solid reads or content?
No.

If he's town all you're doing is giving scum an extra opportunity to get into the hood with this attitude.
If you think that something looks scummy and backs this up I'll happily listen.

Nah if he gives solid reads it's a moot point

But i dont think it's a moot point

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^^ This is unimpressive and more groanworthy than interesting as either alignment

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Fumuki is not worth reading

Why you think so?

Yeah you're deff in the let's get this bombed pile rn

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Not seeing mad for scum

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He literally voted Dr Worm because Overki11 said he had a n0 guilty on him (obv a joke) and Lich was not RVSing.

There weren't six pages of content to go after when he did this

Hey rooster

I'm curious about your thoughts on this. In the game you cited, Lich unvoted over the D0 guilty pretty quickly, but he's still holding on to the read about the joke claim here.

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Also with 11p I suppose that Flubb is in L-2?

Three votes on me by my count

Calling someone dumb to their face is the exact opposite of passive aggressive, and I absolutely do have town games where I struggle for reads early on.

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185 is blatantly out of context as demonstrated by my interactions with rooster

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I don`t think you`re struggling

I just think you`re actually not minding reads at all

by reading your ISO I simply feel you`re interested in lynching TL

So tell me what the difference between struggling and not minding reads is for me?

And...I am interested in lynching TL. He's pretty clearly not voting where his reads are (except for maybe the vote on me)

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And...I am interested in lynching TL. He's pretty clearly not voting where his reads are (except for maybe the vote on me)

He was voting for Eyes

and eyes was the most scummy in his readlist

I feel you aren`t even trying here?

Yeah but I've established I don't actually believe that read was genuine and doesn't match roosters meta

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What makes you think he’s more of a goon? The floating seems more bomb to me tbh.

I don't really think you can tell bomb vs goon untill we see how hard scum tries to break the wagon up

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There's no resistance to this wagon lmfao

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I think fumiki started this wagon as misguided town. The meta is cherry picked but dives are tedious and unfortunately people accept cases hinging on meta.

Rooster overall feels town.

That leaves TL and HRG for scum

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What makes you think he’s more of a goon? The floating seems more bomb to me tbh.

Because the shading seems to be trying to control with less players being accepted into the hood.
Removing Saud and Fumuki from the pile would indicate he is still trying to get in but if called out or pushed for it, scum don't just lose.

Also shade/vote/scum tell can easily be on the bomb at this point so Flubber flipping goon isn't a bad thing at all over bomb.

This?

I'm town reading fumuki now so it wouldn't make sense to keep them out of the hood. When they were trolling they were more null and that made sense.

Still hold saude stays out. What's your problem with that now?

Why do you think I'm trying to get into the hood? I know I don't locktown well and never have.

No clue what your shade vote scum bomb thing is getting at

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I mean I don't scum read eyes or maad and I can try to be more explicit with the TL read

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Idk what deepwolf is

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Yeah I'm on mobile and going to be for a while, so I can't really quote and cite. But look through the ISO. Everything is either an unexplained read, or a vote on eyes over their troll posting. All of their citing/linking to other posts is just "this is bad" or "I don't get this." I guess "voting outside their reads" is a bit of a misnomer because there's a chance there could actually he zero reasoning behind all the unexplained reads, but even gut would make more sense than scum reading and continuously doubling down on the joke post.

The

only

town tell they have is rooster's meta, which I called out as bunk just to get handwaved anyway (which on second thought makes roosters interactions with TL questionable)

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...so you're just going to votepark on me no matter what I say?

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This?

I'm town reading fumuki now so it wouldn't make sense to keep them out of the hood. When they were trolling they were more null and that made sense.

Still hold saude stays out. What's your problem with that now?

Why do you think I'm trying to get into the hood? I know I don't locktown well and never have.

No clue what your shade vote scum bomb thing is getting at

Well basically. I also mentioned before that its shade.
You are now saying that Fumuki is a town read but that could just be to get out of the reasoning or to try and get someone off your wagon.

You never actually answer my question here though.
Given the information I had from you when posting my concerns and vote, do you think my opinion isn't justified with the vote?

Do you think trying to control where the hood should recruit early on should be read as town?

Also, I asked if you think there are 2 scum on you, or is it scum within?
If you think its 2 and that 2 is me and TL, isn't that just OMGUS?

Saying someone is a tough read is not shade.

Your opinion is not justified with your vote. Scum doesn't want to dictate who gets into the shelter. They want to townbloc to get themselves in.

Right now, scum within. Though I wouldn't disqualify a scum pair for being on my wagon.

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Dunno. HRG looks like a good candidate so far, though they're right that a full blown scum read at this point is omgus

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also who is town and why?

Had rooster as gut town though that goes away w/ a TL scum flip.

Have you as town.

Pretty sure that's about it

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Oh, ejj is probably town

Maad might be town. Way too little substance for them to be floating around as a wagon option

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Would probably 1v1 scum read you and work more to keep my reasoning precise as scum

Not much reason to town read me

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Maad was never on a hood list what

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HRG If you think that I'm just deciding who I want in the hood based on how town or scum they are, then you'd basically just be evaluating whether or not my reads are genuine or not. That makes your entire push against me as "directing the hood" look like a complete fabrication

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I don`t think you would 1v1 me here when there was already 4 votes on you and most people are town reading me but...

Yeah I would have started a lot earlier

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I think I know who HRG is by the way...

and also yeah, the `directing hood` is a bit too much. I don`t think that scum!Flubb said those things to try direct the hood, in my opinion he is simply playing his scum game that is basically float around with interactions but no real, genuine or original content (what I`m not seeing a change?).

Then...yeah.

I literally just directed an entire line of conversation with HRG

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I don`t think you would 1v1 me here when there was already 4 votes on you and most people are town reading me but...

Yeah I would have started a lot earlier

I was going for Roster/Maad before though

Not sure if you really would have hopped off TL that would be a supposedly easier mislynch to try a 1v1 with me when I wasn`t a current threat

It's to fake gamesolving

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viewtopic.php?t=78917&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Theres a really contrived push from me onto chara here to eat up space

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Well theres a hood element so recruiting inactives is dumb

Would probabaly want a better read than "other players are sorta kinda sketchy here" if we're going with the town=hood theory anyway so you might want to stop before you pull up a third example of how your push is fake

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I think you`re playing around the chat, he is saying that your push is fake because he never said anything about the hood, and all you`re assuming is something that would be implied, but that he hadn`t said (and he is saying that he didn`t mean it like that).

This.

I actually made a point by point argument to HRG's 411. And then I realized there was only one point I didn't already address (doing so below). I'm not arguing on terms of someone who could be scum and letting them poison the thread.

HRG, if you were interested in my reads the way you said you were, you would have pushed them over whatever tinfoil strategy you're trying to assume upon me.

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Why do you care about a deepwolf at this stage? This seems irrelevant to talk about considering the current game state.

This is extremely important as the setup is incredibly swingy based on who is and isn't sheltered, and this is probably the easiest way for scum to get in the hood. But it's precisely easiest for scum because it's the read town is most likely to get wrong.

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So basically I think there's a massive gamble in this setup I didn't initially realize

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viewtopic.php?t=78917&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Theres a really contrived push from me onto chara here to eat up space

I checked this out a bit

can`t say I checked it too carefully but I feel that what was happening between you vs chara was really different.

You were mafia and were considering voting between Chara (town) and Succint (mafia), then I think you basically got in the 1v1 with Chara because that way you would have an excuse to go there instead of going to your scumbuddy in a setup that didn`t favor bussing.

There is really nothing to do with this game, where I was saying that Roster/Maad was a team and you were focused in TL. I don`t think a 1v1 here would have been that beneficial to you, and you didn`t even have much time to start it.

For context, Succinct was more of a lolwagon that didn't pick up until a replacement cracked the game. Chara was a terrible pick for a cw, but a good one for mucking with the gamestate.

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Lets pretend a deepwolf conversation never happened. Who is scum then?

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Errrr,

You should be pushing to get your scum reads lynched as town, so if you can get that with simpler cases, you should be doing that as town too

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thats not how that works

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At least we have resistance to the Flubber wagon now, so that argument can be laid to rest.

thats not how that works

"some new thing happened so the old thing doesn't matter" is so stupid it would break like 90% of how forum mafia works

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I don't care that Flubbernugget is being voted,

Why not? You initially took issue with my wagon

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@Anyone

What`s your read/opinion on Awe here?

Consonant w/o being stringent though tunneling. Townish lean

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Or what, are you going to use the bullshit argument that meta is bad?

lmfao you even admitted yourself that your meta case was more of a conversation starter than anything else

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Or what, are you going to use the bullshit argument that meta is bad?

lmfao you even admitted yourself that your meta case was more of a conversation starter than anything else

and how does it equal to meta being bad?

"here's a thing that has utility near the same utility as rvs. good shit tho. really."

pedit: your meta argument is shit because its a sample size of one and you even admitted you're too damn lazy to do it right

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I've been playing here at a pretty constant rate for about 5 years so you're not trying

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sell me on eye saud

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Yes, your town-read on Flubbernugget is weak. However, why do you see this as me potentially using it as a way to hold it against you?

Anyone would agree that a case containing of 4 spoilers that only contain one-liners is weak.

He was also comparing it to past FLubber town and scum games, and that comparison made a lot of sense to me. How about you try to address the points on Flubber?

It's pretty easy to misread someone by casing someone point by point

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Make some good posts yourself

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Feeling more confident about my TemporalLich vote right now.

I've been town-leaning Fumiki for a while but also agree with awestfie on not going after a deepwolf yet. The exchange between them feels off, though; I need to reread it to get a better read for each.

Is this about what your activity level is going to be throughout the game?

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Ok I'm getting why people are scum reading eyes now

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Oh oof I'm sorta kinda okay with both these wagons

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I vote him because his posts made me feel uneasy

Is there one in particular?

Dudes got a short iso. Tell us what you think?

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Still think bomb reads are kinda dumb rn

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Hey jingle can we get a mass prod

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Oh ew it's with no vote too

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Hey west

Do you have a reads list?

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I think west is town

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It does feel honest in the literal sense

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I feel like this game has stagnated because the people being wagoned aren’t doing much and there’s widespread contentment with the game state which will be more telling once we get a flip

It’s hard to tell whether the stale game is because the scumteam just isn’t doing anything or if it’s tvt wagons right now

If the game is stagnating because we hit scum in the wagons I'd actually like eyes for my vote better than TL.

Hmmmmmm

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The progression on Flubb’s wagon prob makes him town btw. The wagon started off and grew to L-2 quickly and then it just stayed like that for some time and no one seemed interested in changing it. I mean, the most important thing that was going on was the back and forth between fumuki and HRG (and no one seemed interested in switching to him either).

This points to every wagon in the game being on town so far :/ :/ :/

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Spoiler: townrange

I'm gonna avoid voting ejjinami in case she is the bomb and the recruiter hits scum.

Or she ends up just being town.

Lawliett is town.

Meh.

VOTE: ofrhz

@TL: Mind explaining how counterclaiming a scum claim is scummy when you obviously don't consider scum claiming to be scummy? I mean, to me it was an obvious joke and I responded in the same manner, but I'd like to see how you saw it.

Claiming scum is pretty scummy (it isn't scumlock worthy I think), though ejjinami was seeming way too scummy to actually be scum weirdly enough.

You on the other hand

counterclaimed a scum PR

and are probably likely to actually be scum. Your ISO has a subtle feeling of "something isn't right here".

P-Edit: Your read list looks okay, but why is ofrhz so high?

Here's a read list as D1 is starting to feel very slow...

[Town]

High Risk Gamble

(town wants to be like High Risk Gamble)

rosterfoster

(a good townie, with a modest amount of info)

ejjinami

(trying too hard to be scum (and even claimed scum), so TR)

ofrhz

(seems like ofrhz)

maadneet

(neutral, a little scummy but RF/Maad feels TvT)

Fumuki

(not worth reading)

Flubbernugget

(tries to be concise and towny... 279 is a bad post)

Saudade

(your ISO is dry of info)

awestfie

(playing for the wrong team. The self-RVS vote makes this even more apparent)

Eyes without a face

(you seriously counterclaimed a scum PR?!)

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Spoiler: scumrange

I'm willing to vote awestfie, her ISO looks so bad it's horrible

[Town]

Fumuki

(Meta read on Flubber, is now not confusing so I can clearly see town motivation)

rosterfoster

(The sudden L-1 feels opportunistic)

High Risk Gamble

(potential deepwolf, towny)

ejjinami

(starting to seem less scummy, keeping TR for now as I still think ejji has town motivations)

ofrhz

(you don't seem like your Greatest Idea self)

Eyes without a face

(the strong resistance to Eyes wagon makes me think town, still SR though)

maadneet

(we need posts from you)

Saudade

(your ISO is dry of info and you post just to post)

Flubbernugget

(scummy meta here, doesn't give good info)

awestfie

(no good posts, trying to go against town [428], refuses to find a deepwolf [435])

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VOTE: awestfie

Yeah reading through again, awestfie is almost certainly a scumbo.

okay I have to state that 722 is an excellent case against eyes

Saudade is the townie we need

VOTE: Eyes without a face

I am happy with this vote. Saudade pings town to me now with HRG's case in 614.

Essentially I think Lich provides reasons for switches in reads, however flawed those reasonsah be.

Here I think he is trying to make up reasons to switch his positions, rather than find slightly warped reasons which is what town him usually does.

Pedit: Flavour save us all!

Your TL analysis posts still skeeve me out fuck

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Also, notice the point that was said on High Risk “since I’m not using meta”

That implies that if they were to use meta, it wouldn’t be.

I could find meta on you as plausible anything as either align (within reason).
If I were to be using meta I would be countering your argument on you don't slip as scum.

However, I made it clear through out the game that I won't be using meta.

Is it a slip if those things are meant to happen?

I’m not even asking you to use meta, though, so no need to keep bringing it up.

I don’t care about meta either, but I use it supplementary and to see people’s reactions towards it.

"I only scum slip as town" is meta.
I'm pointing out that I'm not using meta so your comment is irrelevant for me there.
Also, a false slip is still a slip. It's just trying to determine if it's intentional or not.

This is the most egregious backtrack I have ever seen

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Also deciding if the way you seem to constantly 1v1 people is a playstyle or scum tactic thing

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just ISO yourself.. even on this page alone you only post as a reaction to other players and never provide content of your own

Saud,

This qpplies to both TL and Eyes

How do you reconcile?

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Flubby what's wrong with the Lich analysis? Reasons can be helpful sometimes.

I just keep tinfoiling about you and TL as scumbuddies despite you otherwise looking town

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I'm really conflicted right now. Both wagons we have look like good wagons until looking at the speed and resistance on them.

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VOTE: ejjinami

Dumb

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I'm falling severly behind and hope to catch up by tomorrow

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I also don't think TL is scum anymore

Same

Let's see how my wagon pans out.

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Well shit

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Flubbernugget, Town Recruit, has been Lynched.

awestfie, Mafia Bomb, has been Nightkilled.

TemporalLich, Flavor Leaf, themilkcartonkid, ofhrz, and High Risk Gamble all died in the resulting fiery explosion of doom. (DOOOOOM!)

Rosterfoster, Mafia Goon, Survives and ENDGAMES!
Saudade, Vanilla Townie, is Endgamed in the bunker.

I am confused. Why is ejj no longer in the bunker? {Ejj, saud, roost} is a town win...

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Ejjinami is sleeping with the fishes. She was a Town Recruiter!

Derp.