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[Baezu]

Will read this game in the morning!

[Baezu]

I suspect you of being scum, Exilon. Do you know why?

Exilon is town, move on

[Baezu]

Hello friends. Down with the other faction, i say!

Let me familiarize myself with the codes and i shall join this random voting stage

Why so vague?

[Baezu]

Hello friends. Down with the other faction, i say!

Let me familiarize myself with the codes and i shall join this random voting stage

I claim loved mayor with 2 votes

Not helping town

[Baezu]

ok

VOTE: froce

Why are you voting froce?

[Baezu]

Hello everybody. I am Lycanfire, the backup mod for this game. Until further notice I will be processing and resolving everything related to this game. Please send me a private message if you have any concerns.

Thank you.

Howdy Lycanfire

I'll restate my reads and see how people react. Specifically, who I think is town, who I think isn't D1 lynch candidates, and who are.

Town; {Voted, Exilon, Gimm}

I get N_M's point, but Exilon isn't the best D1 lynch candidate. If he's scum (which I don't believe so), he can be mech-cleared or be left at a later date. If he's town, a mislynch on him would get rid of one of the more active and contributing players.

Voted and Gimm are town because tone.

Null/Mixed; {N_M, Froce, Baezu}

N_M and Froce town tone, but also because there's better lynch candidates.

D1 Lynch Candidates; {Wilky, Moomn}

Bad tone reads from both (forced intros, poorly reasoned interactions)

Wilky's attempt at D1 mislynch (Moomn had 2 votes on his wagon at this point);

VOTE: Exillon

Something seems off here.

I want the D1 lynch to be Wilky, unless anyone manages to come up with a better idea.

Ok, you’re town...and I agree with your townreads. NM still null in my book atm, moomn I think is scum. Can you explain what made wilky’s Play scummy?

[Baezu]

I’m FoSing moomn, but waiting for his response

[Baezu]

Can you explain why Moomn is scum in your eyes? Thanks

For reference, I think there's scummier players than Moomn atm (e.g. Froce).
inb4 "why arent you voting for someone else" because pressure.

I really didn’t like this post:

Hello friends. Down with the other faction, i say!

Let me familiarize myself with the codes and i shall join this random voting stage

I mean why not just say, “go town!” Why be vague? Again, scummy not necessarily scum that’s why I’m waiting for him to explain

[Baezu]

I was referencing a small meme among my own mafia friend group. It was from a game in which there was no role claiming of any kind at all. It was to be fun and a bit obtuse, further supported by my stating I intended to follow it up with some nonsense non contribution in my first post on the site.

This is filler, plain and simple.
Please contribute.

In total agreement.

Must have not noticed the exact question I answered. lol. It was a "Filler" answer about a post that was entirely filler itself. Studding I know! Respond to my other post maybe.

Also.

What is site meta for a d1 lynch?

I am super pro lynch as a standard, even if it were myself.

In general, any lynch is better than no lynch, even if is a mislynch

[Baezu]

Moomn can die that was honestly the most disappointing defence ive seen on site I think.

@baezu where do your reads lie after your catch up?

Still think froce is town...

I agree that moomn is not coming across as particularly townie, but I think that of those on his wagon, at least one is scum because it went pretty fast. I don’t think it’s you and it’s probably not exilon so that leaves NM.

What are everyone ‘s thoughts on NM?

[Baezu]

Lynch Exilon, he's artificially trying to insert himself into the town leader position

There was a huge debate after this post - he debate never solved the most important questions about this post (unless I missed the answers):
Why is putting yourself into town leader postion scummy?
How is Exilon doing it artificially?

Spoiler:

Sorry, I am still new and I am learning how to make spoilers properly.

And actually, it’s not very towny to try and derail a townblock

[Baezu]

Lynch Exilon, he's artificially trying to insert himself into the town leader position

There was a huge debate after this post - he debate never solved the most important questions about this post (unless I missed the answers):
Why is putting yourself into town leader postion scummy?
How is Exilon doing it artificially?

Spoiler:

Sorry, I am still new and I am learning how to make spoilers properly.

And actually, it’s not very towny to try and derail a townblock

I don't understand.

A townblock is a group of players who agree that the others are town as well- pretty much the obvstown players in a game. It can be very powerful for town because there is a block that generally votes in a similar manner, often sleeping each other’s reads. Scum definitely wants to discourage this kind of thing

[Baezu]

Lynch Exilon, he's artificially trying to insert himself into the town leader position

There was a huge debate after this post - he debate never solved the most important questions about this post (unless I missed the answers):
Why is putting yourself into town leader postion scummy?
How is Exilon doing it artificially?

Spoiler:

Sorry, I am still new and I am learning how to make spoilers properly.

And actually, it’s not very towny to try and derail a townblock

Ok... How am I derailing townblock? Is Exilon/ Not_Mafia nearly confirmed town?

I was talking about Not Mafia and not voted in this post

[Baezu]

Let's put Moomins to L-1

Why?

[Baezu]

Why aren’t more people voting for NM?

[Baezu]

What kind of question is that? Why aren't *you* voting for him?

I thought I was!

VOTE: NM

[Baezu]

There has to be at least one scum on the moomn wagon so I think our lynch today should be between sky, NM, gimmick, and exilon

Sky-

oh shit we have less than two days

NM literally posts like this in most games ive seen him in; its not alignment indicative and its not going to change his posting style in this game so just trust me when i say if he's town he knows how to catch scum (esp later in the game) and if he's scum it'll just take some process of elimination sorting

She’s concerned about the deadline which gives her town points but also her second post isn’t something I would think would come from scum

NM-

Lynch Exilon, he's artificially trying to insert himself into the town leader position

Let's put Moomins to L-1

As I’ve pointed out, not liking that he was trying to prevent a town block and I also don’t like his unexplained votes and running up the wagon

Gimmick-

Oh this started way early. Well hello I guess. It's good that you've started to but heads already, I'll probably stay out of it.

also what are your mafia experience and why is green the firsr colour to come to mind？

Still getting used to quoting but I'm a seasoned epicmafia player which should set me up well for this, though I imagine maf or town tells will be harder to come by. To your second question, probably something to do with evolution as we still have some traits we never dropped from millions of years ago.

>but I’ll stay out of it

Pardon, but that’s the exact opposite of what I would like; everyone should contribute their thoughts to any specific event ingame, rather than openly admitting to ignoring it.

This seems super towny...this is my strongest tr atm

Exilon-

Nevermind, I was thinking that Exilon is a scum who is not reading forum properly and thinks that the guy who claimed janitor was sameone else then me. So much for easy scum detection.

Well I mean you've proven it is actually easy by being easy to detect so

Voted did FoS exilon

see, that's fair

But what do you think of everyone else
Say I'm scum

who else could be scum with me, and why

But posts like this really come across as town to me...

;tl/dr Of the people on voted wagon NM is scummiest

VOTE: NM

[Baezu]

Official Vote Count 2.01

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Lynching

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Not_Mafia (2): Baezu, Gimm1ck
Exilon (1): Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(4): Froce, Exilon, PvtUrist, Skygazer

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-05-01 08:00:00).

Mod notes:

Y’all familiar with the concept of hypoing?

Will do more analysis of everything once I get home.

Hypoing is bad and dumb

What is hypoing?

[Baezu]

Y’all familiar with the concept of hypoing?

Will do more analysis of everything once I get home.

Hypoing is bad and dumb

Right, I get that. I’m just trying to understand the MS equivalent of it...is it like role claiming?

[Baezu]

I hadn’t heard that term before

[Baezu]

Got it! Thank you, sky

[Baezu]

I mean not only because your scum partner couldn't get it going but I'm pretty sure you both see him as a safe lynch D2.

This is potentially spicy. A little bit tinfoily in terms of how did you even reach that conclusion but if it pressures people out of tunneling N_M (he's very likely lynchbait) then I'd say it served a purpose.

Good point

[Baezu]

NM literally posts like this in most games ive seen him in; its not alignment indicative and its not going to change his posting style in this game so just trust me when i say if he's town he knows how to catch scum (esp later in the game) and if he's scum it'll just take some process of elimination sorting

I thought this post from her seemed towny

I'm not splitting the votes intentionally, this is just to see if anything surfaces in the last 10 hours.

This feels like a preemptive defense towards something they're worried others will perceive as scummy

But then this post is kind of just fluff... I mean if she thinks he’s scummy she should be making a push or asking more questions

Other than these there really haven’t been any really good posts

She’s definitely a scum lean for me

What are your thoughts on Exilon and gimmick? I’m having a hard time sorting those slots out...they’ve said things that were really towny but also really scummy

[Baezu]

Have Exilon and Gimm1ck as town. Prehaps we could go through a few of their posts where you felt their motives were scum-alligned?

If you are town Baezu, who are your top 2 scum reads right? I plan to be a bit more active after Day 1.

I appreciate that you’ll be more active! I think if you’re town that bodes well for town!

I will pull up those posts as soon as I can...I’m still v/la today but we still have a few days to figure this out

[Baezu]

Have Exilon and Gimm1ck as town. Prehaps we could go through a few of their posts where you felt their motives were scum-alligned?

If you are town Baezu, who are your top 2 scum reads right now?

Exilon-

Spoiler:

This post is towny

Actually sorry I'm not done

Well if you want my thoughts I think it's good to put people under pressure, but only on moderation as you don't wanna linger on one or two and forget about the rest.

> Recognizes that it's good to put people under pressure
> Does not put anyone under pressure

Man, I love dissonance

UNVOTE: Voted
VOTE: Froce

I also love irony

This seems towny

And I will ask again, do you have any comments/pointers on the Me/Voted/Exilon conversation? Rather than saying useless filler like ‘You’re really not out to make friends here’, could you possibly contribute something to the discussion please?

Whoa chill lol. I was only trying to mess with Ex.

I also don't know how to elaborate on what I've already said. I saw Voted making posts with vague meaning then retracting it and that's about it. I find it kinda odd you're so demanding of me as if I'm the one who started the allegations when I only said what I said in courtesy of responding to you wanting my thoughts. So it's like you were so taken aback by what I said you just couldn't wrap your head around it. I don't know what you thought I meant but I can tell you it's nothing major yet so don't get rustled.

and I'd say I'm pretty involved, seeing as I'm posting about every other post on here. I'm also trying to move the conversation forward. Nitpicking single lines out of multiple paragraphs could be your own way of scumhunting but I don't like it and don't find it very effective.

I find funny how Froce is saying he's trying to do this or that and not actually doing it

Like saying he's trying to move the conversation forward without moving the conversation forward

Also ignoring valid and relevant points in favor of devaluing Grimm's request for elaboration when he could have simply answered the question.

So let's put your money where you say your mouth is; what do you think of Not_Mafia's vote? Is it scummy, is it not, why?

This seems scummy

2 votes are bandwagon?

Oh, how silly of me, thank you for reminding me

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Moomn

VOTE: Moomn caught scam

Nope.

Try slighty more sophisticated way of defending yourself. Post reads, push sameone.

I don't feel the need to do so at the moment. My read included detail I don't wish to put into the conversation so i'll be waiting to do so. My vote on you is fully real though.

You don't feel the need to help town? ok.

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I had more to write but it boils down to this:

Y'all need to stop silent voting and start explaining the reasoning behind your votes so we can all actually scumhunt and you know, win

This also seems scummy

Dear Voted,

I've publicly expressed my reads on a handful of people, so you're wrong on that.

Someone asked me why n_m was reading town and i forgot to answer, i think it was you. The reason is, ifhe were scum, at the time of his first vote, it would be easier to target someone else already being voted for. Then i called out his reasoning, then he changed his vote. I think that's townish.


You say im trying to make town lynch certain players but i didn't? What're you referring to? You also say im not makinf them defend themselves or post more which is weird considering that's exactly what they do when i questioned them abd pushed them. So i also find that wrong.

Then you said i was kind of contradicting myself but i don't see that in what you pointed out.

Also you pointed out my past games but not only is your insight wrong, considering a) i wad scum in just one game and rememver posting less on purpose, and b) I'm actually more relentless and in your face as town and c) all those games happened *over 9 years ago *.

Look it's one thing to analyse people and giving out your opinion, it's another to get things wrong and misrepresent them.

Therefore, leaning town

Fixed broken bbcode -- You can't nest spoilers or it breaks things, so I removed one of the inner ones from a quoted post. --P

[Baezu]

I meant to spoiler that quote wall so I wouldnt be clogging the thread...grrrr

[Baezu]

Froce-

Spoiler:

Scummy post

And I will ask again, do you have any comments/pointers on the Me/Voted/Exilon conversation? Rather than saying useless filler like ‘You’re really not out to make friends here’, could you possibly contribute something to the discussion please?

Whoa chill lol. I was only trying to mess with Ex.

I also don't know how to elaborate on what I've already said. I saw Voted making posts with vague meaning then retracting it and that's about it. I find it kinda odd you're so demanding of me as if I'm the one who started the allegations when I only said what I said in courtesy of responding to you wanting my thoughts. So it's like you were so taken aback by what I said you just couldn't wrap your head around it. I don't know what you thought I meant but I can tell you it's nothing major yet so don't get rustled.

and I'd say I'm pretty involved, seeing as I'm posting about every other post on here. I'm also trying to move the conversation forward. Nitpicking single lines out of multiple paragraphs could be your own way of scumhunting but I don't like it and don't find it very effective.

scummy post

Also N_M you just put someone on L1 with almost no regard.

I advise no one to vote Moomn as it's still not even halfway through D1. He needs to talk more. If you end up hammering Moomn early I'm afraid that's a major scumtell so don't do it.

222 is towny

scummy post:

VOTE: Froce

I'm here now.

Stop voting me.

lean scum on froce

[Baezu]

G1mm1ck

Spoiler:

Towny post:

Also Moomn it’s fine to rvs still, but I’d like your opinion on the me/Voted/Exilon conversation as well.

towny post:

I wont by making any really valuable post this day, but NM is slightly town to me and im loving how defensive Froce is about doing nothing while STILL doing nothing. Instead of leading by asking hes basically demanding others ask him things directly. Scared of his own thoughts i say.

How the hell is NM town after doing literally nothing for the most part?

Scummy post:

Y’all familiar with the concept of hypoing?

Will do more analysis of everything once I get home.

lean town

[Baezu]

NM-

dunno

dude doesnt post much. Anybody have any experience with him? It is D2, things have happened...

[Baezu]

pvtUrist-

Spoiler: mod abuse

Towny post

Hello everybody. I am Lycanfire, the backup mod for this game. Until further notice I will be processing and resolving everything related to this game. Please send me a private message if you have any concerns.

Thank you.

Howdy Lycanfire

I'll restate my reads and see how people react. Specifically, who I think is town, who I think isn't D1 lynch candidates, and who are.

Town; {Voted, Exilon, Gimm}

I get N_M's point, but Exilon isn't the best D1 lynch candidate. If he's scum (which I don't believe so), he can be mech-cleared or be left at a later date. If he's town, a mislynch on him would get rid of one of the more active and contributing players.

Voted and Gimm are town because tone.

Null/Mixed; {N_M, Froce, Baezu}

N_M and Froce town tone, but also because there's better lynch candidates.

D1 Lynch Candidates; {Wilky, Moomn}

Bad tone reads from both (forced intros, poorly reasoned interactions)

Wilky's attempt at D1 mislynch (Moomn had 2 votes on his wagon at this point);

VOTE: Exillon

Something seems off here.

I want the D1 lynch to be Wilky, unless anyone manages to come up with a better idea.

towny post:

Suggest everyone reread Baezu and Skygazer, but just incase my reads are wrong;

@Baezu, what is your read on Skygazer?

@Skygazer, what is your read on Baezu?

town

Hey this one I know how to fix! --Lycanfire

[Baezu]

did it again...sorry

[Baezu]

sky-

Spoiler:

towny post:

im concerned that NM could be seen as an easy mislynch for scum to pull off w/o catching any flak

i wouldn't go as far to describe him as lynchbait because the people who've played w him tend to know better but i'm p sure none of you have played w him so maybe in this context he has lhf qualities

scummy post:

I'm not splitting the votes intentionally, this is just to see if anything surfaces in the last 10 hours.

This feels like a preemptive defense towards something they're worried others will perceive as scummy

null

[Baezu]

so my top 3 scum reads by POE are froce, NM and SKy

VOTE: froce

[Baezu]

On regards to your posts specifically or another players posts specifically or in general which posts I find scummy?

[Baezu]

UNVOTE:

Sorry, froce, did not realize you were at L-1...that certainly wasn’t my intention

I’ve been kind of out of it today, a woman that I’d known most of my life got killed at that shooting today...

I want to keep playing since I need the distraction but I think my brain is only half screwed on atm

[Baezu]

Same thing with Baezu. They have been active and posting reads. They are a townread of mine. Tell us where Baezu is passive/unengaging.

I townread Baezu on Day 1, but I retract that statement after rereading her ISO. Her posts have been bland, passive and unengaging, classic sign of scum feigning activity and flying under the radar.

#351 is accurate.

Here's examples of Baezu's passive unengagements;

I suspect you of being scum, Exilon. Do you know why?

Exilon is town, move on

Hello friends. Down with the other faction, i say!

Let me familiarize myself with the codes and i shall join this random voting stage

Why so vague?

Hello friends. Down with the other faction, i say!

Let me familiarize myself with the codes and i shall join this random voting stage

I claim loved mayor with 2 votes

Not helping town

These posts all pings of scum feigning activity while not actually contributing to solving the game

ok

VOTE: froce

Why are you voting froce?

This post was directed by my RVS vote. Again, not a genuine post that helps solve the game. Moreso, assuming Urist!Froce is TvT.

I’m FoSing moomn, but waiting for his response

Another example.

I absolutely agree with you- that’s how I tend to be D1, especially in the early stages. I have a few recent completed games that you can check out for comparison (the link to my wiki is in my signature)

Now that the game has some content I can actually respond to things...anything in particular you’d like my opinion on?

[Baezu]

Sorry for prodge, have to attend a funeral

[Baezu]

I’ll be catching up later today

[Baezu]

Well shit

[Baezu]

Did he ever crumb his role?

[Baezu]

Probably wouldn't have hammered if you'd claimed earlier :/

If there's a cop, check between Skygazer/N_M/Baezu if you haven't already.

If there's a jailkeeper or doc, play doc. I'd say doc me, but at this point just randomly choose between Exi/Gim/Yours Truly or something.

I guess this could have been a crumb?

[Baezu]

Ok, so looking at the setup, we are in C3 so the mafia has two goons, which means they couldn’t have known anyone’s role nor could they have blocked anybody...

[Baezu]

Btw-

nobody put a vote down!

With two scum left and 3 to lynch, scum can hammer...let’s take our time today and really talk this out, please

[Baezu]

lol

Really?!

I’m getting really sick of this

So...tempted...to...vote.....

Here’s what I don’t understand - why is he not playing to his win condition? If he’s town, contribute to town; if you’re scum at least pretend to be town so that you don't get yourself lynched and lose the game for your team

I’d say he just gave up but he’s been this way the whole game...

What are everyone else’s thoughts about this?

[Baezu]

Ok I’ll take a look at his iso

[Baezu]

So your thoughts on him haven’t changed since the beginning of the game?

Lynch Exilon, he's artificially trying to insert himself into the town leader position

And maybe froce had something with this?

I'm still taking things slow waiting to see how the game unfolds. You won't really see me putting a vote on anyone unless I'm up to something.

Alas guess I been caught in the vote roulette. You're really not out to make friends here huh? Calling out everyone you can immediately. That sounds like a good maf plan if I say so.

With 2 hours left on the clock, now is as a good time as any.
VOTE: moomn

And this was scummy?

I guess I’d like you to point out the things that pinged you because most of this stuff is from D1

[Baezu]

Could you elaborate on that?

[Baezu]

my problem with NM being scum is why would he try to setup/endgame with an exilon mislynch

His first vote on mr is exactly why i tr him, because why would you go for me when there's easier targets.
But he ended up doing exactly that and as for today, who else would he point to that wouldn't look super suspicious, especially after i accused him?

That's my thought process and it makes sense to me. Feel free to provide alternatives.

I’m still not understanding what sky meant, can you explain it exilon?

[Baezu]

Gimmick I’d like to hear from you please

[Baezu]

Like I said before, I’m super tempted to vote for NM but I’d like to hear from gimmick

[Baezu]

For me, Lynch is between Exilon and NM today. I have made my position about NM Clear, and

recent posts by Exilon seem scummy.

Ya I was noticing that too

[Baezu]

Not to speak for him but typically what that means is that you and NM have a 1v1 back and forth discussion to help the rest of us figure out which of you is scum but due to NM’s activity level that doesn’t seem likely

[Baezu]

By ‘cross’ I mean tell why each of you may be scum.

Even if you townread the hell out of that person, tell me why you think they are scum.

@baezu what do you think of Skygazer
@Skygazer what do you think of Baezu

And @NM still waiting for your legendary ‘lategame’ reads.

I addressed this in 376 and she really hasn't posted much since then

[Baezu]

so my top 3 scum reads by POE are froce, NM and SKy

VOTE: froce

Yet immediately unlynches as soon as they reach L-1.
This tells me that
1. They are not confident in their prior sr
2. They don’t have too much actual reasoning on it
3. They did this to feign activity for an SR.

True Townie behavior is to pressure your scumreads, y’all.

@Baezu still haven’t replied to this

Sorry about that, I hadn't seen it.

I unvoted because I was trying to put pressure on froce. My read on him wasn't strong, it was POE and I wanted to hear more from him.

[Baezu]

^^

[Baezu]

If we all agree that NM is scum then I feel like he has to be scum. Sure his partner is bussing but we can get his partner tomorrow, that’s my take at least

[Baezu]

I would love if baezu could post some analysis as opposed to going 'meh ee can scumhunt tomorrow'

Agree with this

Ok I will look through the thread at my next opportunity and give an updated read...this week has slammed me and I m not sure when that will be but it will be the first thing I do the next time I’m on!

[Baezu]

I'm currently more inclined to believe we have a NM/Baezu scumteam.

Can you explain why please

[Baezu]

Ftr I don’t like being mafia- I don’t know how to gambit and it’s hard to be misleading and deceiving...