EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY NORMAL (THE [GAME) OVER]

[mastina]

Yo. I'm an honorary masonizer. (Obviously not an actual one, because that's not Normal, but I am one in all but name.)

Have a modifier gating me, which is why I am not afraid to claim (if scum waste a roleblock on me each night, it outweighs the utility of my role; if scum kill me, they'll have wasted a kill), so no worries there.

Hit me up if you want to be my mason buddy. (Kinda wish Titus was in this game, because I could crumb my EXACT role to her. Oh well.)

[mastina]

The only ninja was them ^^^

Every townie is a disloyal vig and every scum is bulletproof.

I am Town Backup Miller.

Town.

Day 3 IC. Sick!

VOTE: singletonking
Revolution!

VOTE: DJ

Town?

VOTE: flavor leaf
Just getting it out of the way early!

Scum?

I am Town Backup Miller.

Does that mean you become Miller after a Miller dies?
- DJ Mouse

Scum.

[mastina]

Btw here's my readslist for reference point.


RedFlavor
pisskop
Something_Smart
Lil Uzi Vert
RCEnigma
u r a person 2
Alchemist21
Chara
Nero Cain
Flavor Leaf
Almost50

Vorkuta
Ausuka
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
CheekyTeeky

singletonking
Baezu
DJ

...I uh. Don't have enough scumreads.
(I have way way too many people town.)

[mastina]

(Vorkuta-Cheeky is the null line or more accurately nulltown. Above that line is town.)

[mastina]

Woohoo!
VOTE: DJ

Oh right meant to include this in that post.
VOTE: DJ

[mastina]

I just can't take mastina + the word mason seriously anymore.

Hey I did say I'm not ACTUALLY a mason(izer). I mean my role functions a lot LIKE one but I'm not one and was very upfront about that fact.

[mastina]

Mastina you know I already know what honorary Masonizer means. This was meant to be.

Hey Alch.
You down for being the person I target when I can target?

[mastina]

Yeah but. What if town kills you?

Then they're being dumb.

[mastina]

Why the freak do you always get the role that discourages scum from shooting you? And -even more- WHY do you claim it?

Um.
The former answers the latter?

[mastina]

So I literally am making adjustments to my readslist every single page with people going up and down but I literally am commenting on nothing else in spite of that so I'm thinking of just activating an old forgotten strategy of mine and posting every single page/post where the readslist changes because fucked if I know what to do better, I still don't have much in the way of scumreads. Baezu and DJ are literally it. (singletonking's misplaced as being equal to them when really he's just outright full null, whereas everyone above him was nulltown.)

This game would really suck if I needed to scumhunt via play but at least by role I have an edge.

[mastina]

Oh meant to post this.


RedFlavor
pisskop
Something_Smart
RCEnigma
Almost50
Lil Uzi Vert
Alchemist21
u r a person 2
Chara
Flavor Leaf
Nero Cain
Vorkuta
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
CheekyTeeky
Ausuka
singletonking
Baezu
DJ



This is bottom of page six for reference. Like I said, been changing every page.

[mastina]

a mod note

By the way, if anybody desires any sort of confessional private topic, please feel free to PM me and ask!

Fortunately my own role makes that offer highly redundant and is thus unnecessary.

[mastina]

RedFlavor
pisskop
Something_Smart
RCEnigma
Almost50
Nero Cain
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Flavor Leaf
Lil Uzi Vert
Alchemist21
u r a person 2
Chara
Vorkuta
CheekyTeeky
Ausuka
singletonking
Baezu
DJ



Bottom of page 10.

[mastina]

RedFlavor
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Nero Cain
pisskop
Something_Smart
RCEnigma
Almost50
Flavor Leaf
Lil Uzi Vert
Alchemist21
u r a person 2
Chara
Vorkuta
CheekyTeeky
Ausuka
singletonking
Baezu
DJ



Bottom of 11.

[mastina]

Personally I am taking a big leap of faith and calling Baezu town here. I even think I know her role now (and if I'm right I know who she

should

be targeting on N1)

If her claim was serious then her role's transparent.

I don't ascribe it to being an inherently town role tho.

Also I am mentally dead so this is as far as I'm reading tonight. Was HOPING to get to at least 20, but can't manage even that much.

Don't think I changed anything since last post but final readslist for the night (unless I come back mentally refreshed later tonight):

RedFlavor
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Nero Cain
pisskop
Something_Smart
RCEnigma
Almost50
Flavor Leaf
Lil Uzi Vert
Alchemist21
u r a person 2
Chara
Vorkuta
CheekyTeeky
Ausuka
singletonking
Baezu
DJ

[mastina]

Why are you acting like traitor is some super rare role and no town should ever account for it?

Fair warning btw.
This is exactly the type of game I'd expect to feature a role like "Traitor Enabler".
Which is, strictly speaking, technically, by the literal wording of Normal rules, a legal role, even though we've been explicitly told backstage that interaction is blacklisted. (What it'd do: a traitor would, upon the death of the traitor enabler, become a mafia goon.)

[mastina]

RedFlavor
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Nero Cain
pisskop
Something_Smart
RCEnigma
Almost50
Flavor Leaf
Lil Uzi Vert
Chara
Alchemist21
u r a person 2
Vorkuta
CheekyTeeky
Ausuka
singletonking
Baezu
DJ



Bottom of 15.

[mastina]

b) more influential (i.e. may be able to convince a couple of players outside of them 5)

I have a sneaking suspicion this bit came from Mastina because that’s exactly the kind of thing she would say about me.

I don't have a PT with Almost50 yet.

He was who I was originally planning to target, tho. Still want to target you more right now, if you're down for it.

[mastina]

RedFlavor
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Nero Cain
Almost50
pisskop
Something_Smart
RCEnigma
Flavor Leaf
Chara
Lil Uzi Vert
Alchemist21
u r a person 2
Vorkuta
CheekyTeeky
Ausuka
singletonking
Baezu
DJ



Bottom of 17.

[mastina]

@Everyone: If I was a Gladiator I would have gladiated Alch at this point. It's me or him today. Thank you very much.

Can you trust me to let my role handle solving you two?

[mastina]

20 pages?

Are you kidding me?
>.<

Okay now the null is actually nullscum!

[mastina]

SK’a aren’t even Normal so extra kills aren’t going to be from an SK anyway.

SKs are perfectly Normal--if the game is a Large. SKs are banned from minis, but are allowed in a Large Normal.

[mastina]

Ausuka is Town.

[citation needed]

[mastina]

Huh. Could’ve sworn they were blanket banned when they got rid of multi-ball.

Multiball is not banned from Normals, either. It's banned from minis, but you can have it in a Large Normal.

[mastina]

I actually really hope Mod put in a messenger.

@MOD: You did put in a Mailman, right?

It'd be even better if the Day modifier were Normal (alas, it is not), because that'd allow for a role like that to be a lot more fun, too. Messages during the day are OP.

Butyeah, a role like that's probably in the game; it's right up Skygazer's alley.

[mastina]

How often does urap flip scum this game?

About 35-40% of the time: not particularly probable, barely even plausible, but admittedly at least to the levels of possible. He's probably town, but not to the point where he's beyond reprieve.

[mastina]

First of all, I think my role does not work without a miller so I believe this claim. (And also no one else claimed miller.)
So Ausuka is %95 Town in my eyes.

While Millers are, inherently, required to be town, the presence of a backup role does not imply inherently the presence of the role it is backing up. Just as you can have a Nurse and a Deputy in a game with no Doctor or Cop, you can have a Backup Miller with no actual Miller.

So no.

I don't believe the claim.

In fact the claim's half the reason why Ausuka's so low on my list.

[mastina]

town!baezu can sound awkward, that doesn't make her scum.

Lynchbait players can still draw scum.

[mastina]

What’s shaking? I am fortunately a town miller enabler, which means if I die, any “miller” abilities will stop working.

This claim I believe 100% tho.

Town or scum, ehhhh...hard to say, but by reads?

Town.

[mastina]

The only ninja was them ^^^

Town

Every townie is a disloyal vig and every scum is bulletproof.

Scum?

I am Town Backup Miller.

Town?

Are you doing your best mastina impression? If so, why?

He did it wrong in multiple ways.

First off the ordering; it goes in order of read not in order of posts. Then there was the formatting. So if it was a mastina impression, it was a half-assed shitty one.

[mastina]

In other news Chara seems quite underwhelming compared to the last time I played with them

You might note on my readslist that while Chara's positioning has changed multiple times, it's solidly in the middle and not near the top--this would be why.

I think this is still a town-Chara, but I'm not

sure

it is, and this is the exact reason why; it is being a little underwhelming this game so far compared to the powertown Chara I know.

[mastina]

RedFlavor
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Nero Cain
Almost50
Something_Smart
pisskop
RCEnigma
Flavor Leaf
Chara
Lil Uzi Vert
Alchemist21
u r a person 2
Vorkuta
CheekyTeeky
Ausuka
singletonking
Baezu
DJ



Bottom of 29.

[mastina]

I bet LUV claimed that role from scum fakeclaims.

Scum don't get fakeclaims in Normals.

They can have realclaims which function as safeclaims, but they don't receive fakeclaims. Any scum fakeclaim is something they made on their own. Albeit often with educated guesses based off of what they know about the setup from a combination of town's claimed roles and their own information.

[mastina]

Do you happen to know who DJ are? (I don't)

I mean one head looks a lot like one scummer I consider a friend but who probably doesn't reciprocate that feeling (even if they may have used to), a scummer who I'd call incredibly jaded, but eh, not sure it's them and even if it were I wouldn't call them town. They're a good scumhunter if they are the person that their posting looks dead-on identical to, but not foolproof and in this case if URAP were actually scum I'd be more inclined to call DJ's push there scum bussing than I would town locking onto scum.

[mastina]

do you then go into thread and say "hai gaiz i was just doin somd isos and boy this one is a reeeal doozy!"

like it's not doing isos (altho lol ok if you do) but presenting yourself doing isos so that you can "case" baezu in the first 12 hours... That is not town

The emphasis of the post is on finding a lack of town which is not a townie way to scumhunt; its a scummy way to mislynchhunt

-djk

i don't understand anything you're pushing about urap here. he didn't go into thread and say "look at me i've been doing ISOs"; in one post, he mentioned that there is nothing towny in baezu's iso. there's a huge difference in how natural it is and i'm not sure why you're presenting it in the way you are; i think if you scumread someone, checking through their iso and saying there's nothing towny in their iso is a perfectly reasonable thing to do?

Also justsayin'.

This looks like scum theater.

[mastina]

RedFlavor
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Nero Cain
Almost50
Chara
Something_Smart
pisskop
RCEnigma
Flavor Leaf
Lil Uzi Vert
Alchemist21
u r a person 2
Vorkuta
CheekyTeeky
Ausuka
singletonking
Baezu
DJ



Bottom of 31.

[mastina]

And tbh those 20 pages probably need a reread.

I'd say "just watch what I quote, and you have a decent read of the game thread", but.

I kinda haven't had much to say on most things, so.

[mastina]

Alright time to get ready. RCE I'll race you for a readslist.

Speaking of:


RedFlavor
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Nero Cain
Almost50
Chara
RCEnigma
Something_Smart
pisskop
Flavor Leaf
Lil Uzi Vert
Alchemist21
u r a person 2
Vorkuta
CheekyTeeky
Ausuka
singletonking
Baezu
DJ




Bottom of 33.

[mastina]

I've forgotten what Mastina claimed already.

Yo. I'm an honorary masonizer. (Obviously not an actual one, because that's not Normal, but I am one in all but name.)

Have a modifier gating me, which is why I am not afraid to claim (if scum waste a roleblock on me each night, it outweighs the utility of my role; if scum kill me, they'll have wasted a kill), so no worries there.

Hit me up if you want to be my mason buddy. (Kinda wish Titus was in this game, because I could crumb my EXACT role to her. Oh well.)

I just can't take mastina + the word mason seriously anymore.

Hey I did say I'm not ACTUALLY a mason(izer). I mean my role functions a lot LIKE one but I'm not one and was very upfront about that fact.

Mastina you know I already know what honorary Masonizer means. This was meant to be.

Hey Alch.
You down for being the person I target when I can target?

[mastina]

RCE, your strongest scumread is a claimed mason. You don't buy his claim?

Obviously, my role doesn't mean there can't be masons in the game.
But if there

were

actual masons in the game?

Pretty sure as fuck Vorkuta's not one of them.

[mastina]

I've forgotten what Mastina claimed already.

Gated Masonizer.. kind of!

Apt description, yes.

Suffice to say: my role's not a role I need to claim; given time I can demonstrate it. And if I fail, then that in of itself is worth claiming, sooooo. Not something you need more details on.

[mastina]

Uh pisskop, you've seen me play scum. You're still the worst vote on the wagon.

I was almost gonna back this up given the likes of Nero and Chara and such on the wagon, buuuuuut...

VC 1.11

CheekyTeeky (5): Nero Cain, pisskop, RedFlavor,

Vorkuta

, Chara

...I can't.

He is the second-worst vote on the wagon tho.

[mastina]

I'm not going to bother reading Ausuka because that claim is always town. Same as Red.

Repeat after me.

Role(claim) != alignment.

(I mean yes I know mafia millers aren't Normal so a proven miller is proven town, but claiming miller != confirmed miller.)

[mastina]

mastina - is mastin in the game? hunh

Your fault for making 40+ pages in less than 48 hours.

Less than 24 hours, actually--the game began on Monday. I POSTED on Monday. Your post 985? Was on TUESDAY. Less than 24 hours from my post on Monday.

If I seem like I'm posting less, it aint because I haven't been around, and it aint because I'm not posting. It's because other players are spamming.

That being said.

Yes I am quite aware that I am underperforming. I'm sorry, I am struggling to really find much worth commenting on. Most of what I'm seeing is just...stuff that's not really noteworthy? Stuff that doesn't change my stances, and for the most part doesn't even reinforce them (though some content does). Most of what I'm reading is just...fluff as far as I'm concerned. Not in the sense of it being literal fluff, but in the sense of it being utterly worthless in terms of strengthening or weakening existing reads; the posts just do...nothing to change what's already there.

Which is why I adapted the readslist-as-I-go format in the first place mind you.

And even then.

My reads on the first ten pages? Changed literally every single page pretty much--not just a little, but a lot. Kinda regret not having thought of posting it for proof, because yeah that was the time they were in flux the most. The earlygame changed things much much much more than here later in the day. Because now? Now any changes are ridiculously small; there's just...nothing significant, nothing major, nothing groundbreaking, in these reads.

What I can say?

I can say that the tiers have shifted in where the town strength is.

For reference, this readslist is unchanged from my last one, but is more divided out:


RedFlavor

SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Nero Cain
Almost50
Chara
RCEnigma

Something_Smart

pisskop
Flavor Leaf
Lil Uzi Vert

Alchemist21

u r a person 2

Vorkuta
CheekyTeeky

Ausuka

singletonking
Baezu

DJ



This would be a more fair approximation of my stances right now. RedFlavor's basically conftown; below that's top-tier town; the pisskop-LUV tier is highly-likely-town; Something_Smart's someone I'm not sure whether he's top-tier or highly-likely town thus why he's between the two; Alchemist isn't quite as town as the highly-likely-town which is one of the reasons why I want to masonize him; URAP I think is town but is the first I'd call "possible scum"--he's nulltown; Vorkuta/Cheeky are more nulls with the ever slightest lean scum; Ausuka is somewhere between nullscum and light scum; singleton and Baezu are both 'reasonable scum'; DJ is more 'strong scum'.

Which is a lot more stronger townreads than I began with.

And yes I know I still consider myself to have too many townreads but fuck it, too many townreads beats having too many scumreads so I'll happily accept it.

[mastina]

it's pretty ballsy to assume there are no millers and claim blind.

aparently scum were given fake claims this game. Could miller etc. be fakeclaims?

Again, scum getting fakeclaims is not Normal.

Scum can know what to fakeclaim off of information they have.

For instance, if you have an Informed Mafioso, or, sayyy, Informed Mafia Roleblocker, and the information they had was 'there are no millers in the game', then sure, they have that information to base fakeclaims off of--but that's not a fakeclaim in of itself. That's knowledge based on their role.

[mastina]

- Non-town players may or may not receive "safe" "fakeclaims" in the form of

informed modifiers

(E.g. "You know that a [role] does not exist in this game").

So I stopped reading ppl based on roles.

To further educate you.

They MUST have this.

You know what that looks like in an actual game? Subject: Mini Normal 2071: Mod Topic

Mini Normal 2071

Welcome, cbynumber. You are a

Mafia

Informed

.

Abilities:

You share a private topic with your fellow Mafia,

Egix96

and

Ausuka

, where you may discuss at any time.
As a member of the Mafia, you have access to a factional nightkill - at night one of you may kill another player.

You are informed that popsofctown is a Bulletproof Innocent Child.

Win condition:

You win when the mafia is the only faction that remains or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Your private thread is here.
The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this with your role name and alignment or by posting in your private thread.

Like this.
"You know that X."
Where X is a fact that is, or is not, in the game.
"You know that role is in the game."
"You know that role is not in the game."
"You know that modifier is in the game."
"You know that there are X modifiers in the game."
"You know that these modifiers are in the game."
"You know that there are X roles in the game."
"You know that player X is alignment."
"You know that player X is role Y."

But all of these?

Not attached to the faction.
They are attached to a specific individual member of the scumteam--one player from the scumteam has the info, not the rest. Which is particularly important because scum won't have unannounced daychat per Normal guidelines unless they have an Encryptor, so a scum Informed might not have even shared their information with their scum faction if their scum PT is closed.

And all of these?
Not a mod-provided safeclaim. Just information about the setup.

[mastina]

- Day-talk is enabled.

Herpderp.

[mastina]

^^ ohhhh?
Lets kill Luv, and cop em both.

Alternative idea: Rolecop Ausuka. And if you'd prefer, RedFlavor too, even though that seems unnecessary. Proven Miller = proven town, and you can't have mafia backups to town-exclusive roles. (You CAN have, sayyy, a mafia nurse inherit a town doctor because doctor is not a town-exclusive role. But you can't have a mafia backup vig because vigs are town-only. Similarly, universal backups inherit only roles of their own alignment, for much this same reasoning.) So proven Backup Miller = proven town.

Still think Ausuka's fakeclaiming and RedFlavor's realclaiming, but that's beside the point. There's no better rolecop targets in the game.

[mastina]

My partner's been meming, but I can assure you we're town.

Oh I think I have a guess for who YOU are, too.
Your other head I'm like 95% sure I identified right, but I took a stab in the dark guess as to your identity via PMing the mods.

(Basically, only so many players like to anonymously hydra and both heads if I'm correct, I've modded a game with them having done so previously. Not the SAME game, different games, but one anonymous hydra had one head in them from one game, and a second anonymous hydra had the other head in them from another game.)

If I'm right you jump WAY up in being scum to like 97ish% levels!

[mastina]

Like, Cheeky is not 100% obvtown but she does not read like a very good day 1 to me so far

Okay yeah head one is 100% the player I thought; literally only one person on site would say this like that.

Sadly, head one's identity isn't as useful to pin down for alignments as head two. Like I said, if I did in fact correctly name head two, hydra jumps up to 97% scum, but only if I guessed correctly. Head one's probably scum but I admit I'm not as good at differentiating between towngame and scumgame with head one as I am with hypothetical-head2-identity.

[mastina]

removing miller is actually removing protown equity by turning millers into vanillas and thus open to cross claims with goons

Actually per Normal guidelines when an Enabler for a role dies, the now-disabled roles won't magically flip/be rolecopped as vanilla; they will still be rolecopped/flipped as the role which was disabled.

That being said, there are far better reasons to not lynch LUV (namely, that he's probably town).

[mastina]

Stopping on 44 for now. Mentally fatigued, can't really process stuff.
Readslist unchanged from last post of it.

[mastina]

I feel no shame for being prodded because I am busy and catching up on this game was on my to-do list, just wasn't my first game to get on.

[mastina]

I ACTUALLY HAVE FREE TIME TONIGHT SO SOON OKAY SOON.

[mastina]

Urrrgh I was planning on contenting tonight but I'm not sure I have the...energy? Fortitude? Endurance? Lucidity? Mental awareness? Willpower? Some term like that, to do it.

From my experience thusfar tonight, for the last hour or so I've been at "bare minimum" levels of functioning, and I'm only getting worse.

Bad idea to try to start catching up tonight.

I'm free all of tomorrow, tho, so I should be able to post then.

I've been busy, and I am sorry for not having posted real content, but I CAN post it now. I have the time. I just...apparently need a night's sleep.
And tomorrow, I'll NOT ONLY have the time...BUT ALSO have that not-half-asleepness I have now. Throw insults at me if I haven't at least started by this time tomorrow.

[mastina]

what's the short version of why vork is scum?
-djk

You asked this question, asking this question's reason enough for Vork to be scum.

[mastina]

The implication here being that when you made post 40 you read exactly 0 of the posts that came before it?
-djk

Yep! Correct. When I claim in my first post, I never read; reading comes

after

claiming does.

And yes.

This does mean I've read less than half of the game thread.

I'm working on it!

Slowly.

[mastina]

mastina just curious does the lack of spacing in your reads list mean your reads are not strong enough to segregate into tiers at all or didn't bother tiering them?

Bit of column A, bit of column B, actually. The readslist being something changing page to page made separation a pain, but

that having been said

, there was a reason there was a lack of spacing; I just didn't feel that much differentiated tiers at the time.

[mastina]

Wait mastina, if this was before page 6, then LUV hasn't posted at all. How was he so high?

Pfft as if I need a player posting to get a read on them.

[mastina]

Say, how likely is the Miller modifier to affect/get affected by the Loyal Modifier?
Let me rephrase: If a Loyal "something" targeted A GLOBAL Miller, would their action go through or get blocked?

Millers are ONLY for cops, and cops alone.
Any other role, millers don't affect.
Even a gunsmith gets an innocent on a miller.
So, a loyal role will work on a miller.

[mastina]

Id lynch half the game if you let me.
is that bad?

This isn't one of those games for me (I'm closer to the opposite problem), but from experience, can confirm.
It is indeed bad.

[mastina]

Yes, especially if it will prove you’re not A50’s scumbuddy.

Fun fact before I had the idea of targeting you my planned target was exactly him, Almost50.

[mastina]

isn't it better to just read on play?

Pretty much, yeah.
There

are

exceptions. But those are few and far between.

And by play I think you have a fair chance of being scum whereas LUV and RedFlavor have a VERY good chance at being town, so.

[mastina]

11/9, that’s my birthday

now we know why 9/11 is a bad day.

Dat burn.

[mastina]

Nero/DJ/Red could be thing if I'm wrong on Nero town.

Nero's absolutely town this game.
I

can

explain why, in excruciating detail in fact; I've known him for like ten years and played games with him and know the extensive differences between his towngame and his scumgame. But I'd prefer not to; that's a lot of effort for a slot that is just someone who once you know the tricks to reading you'll almost never get the read wrong.

Basically, think "Ruder, more assholeish Creature, that predates Creature; Creature before there was Creature".
It's not quite as simple as "he posts a ton, he's town", because he

can

post a lot as scum. It's more of a "sum of the parts" read, where Nero can fake an individual aspect of his towngame as scum including the activity part...but he can't fake

all

of his towngame as scum. If he does activity, a crucial aspect of his towngame will be missing; if he has that crucial aspect of his towngame, then the activity is missing. He can't as scum replicate every aspect of his towngame and yet here he is showing every aspect of his towngame.

[mastina]

Mastina scum if I don't get into a neighbourhood.

I'm sorry, but I promised Alchemist I'd target him when I'm able to.

[mastina]

I think one in LUV/Red have to be scum.

Alternative option; the most conventional claim of the three millers is the scum you're looking for.

[mastina]

Singletonking is scum but not with Red.

That'd be because RedFlavor's not scum.

[mastina]

nulling her until she actually has reads based off more than rvs seems fine.

The thing about that is.

I'm at page 54.

My reads haven't changed once since the last time I posted them.

Spoiler: Refresher

RedFlavor
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Nero Cain
Almost50
Chara
RCEnigma
Something_Smart
pisskop
Flavor Leaf
Lil Uzi Vert
Alchemist21
u r a person 2
Vorkuta
CheekyTeeky
Ausuka
singletonking
Baezu
DJ

Those reads have sat the same in spite of being at page 54.

So.

You can't read me off of the content I have now, you can't read me at all, because...the content you have now is all the content you're going to get.

[mastina]

He's aggressive and overconfident, which are town tells for some people.

Not from DJ.

REALLY not from DJ.

[mastina]

(I'd also like to point out that if DJ were town they'd know I'm town here btw. Fuck me not being caught up yet. They'd know. They might downplay it to keep their anonymity, like not saying that they're town because I'm scumreading them. But they'd still know I was town regardless.)

[mastina]

We have a game with 19 people and I have exactly one person I feel really strongly is scum
Yeah I'm not going to be subtle about my read
-DJK

Funny I feel the same way!

[mastina]

VOTE: mastina
no TRs here.

Yeah good luck with that given I'm basically a masonizer.

I can, and will, prove I am town, given sufficient time, by role alone.

No need for me to be townread by play when my role literally does the talking FOR me.

[mastina]

Time to fall behind 20+ pages again.

I know, rite???

Been busy and am STILL actually busy, multitasking right now, literally doing two, three, four, things at a time. To be honest I wasn't really planning on posting here because I knew I couldn't give it my full attention, but:
1: I decided that in spite of declaring V/LA I might be at risk of being prodded, and,
2: If I didn't, I'd fall further behind.

This game's not my top priority and won't be for a while but it SHOULD at least be my second priority because I'm so behind, but BECAUSE I'm so behind it's very much not. It's pretty much one of my lowest in fact.

I think I'm catching up faster than I'm falling behind tho?

So if I keep it up I'll get there, I just need to keep it up.

[mastina]

Lol what is LUV doing

What I SHOULD be doing but am struggling to do.

[mastina]

I like it better then catching up in real-time.

I actually hate talking to people in real time, unless it's talking to my townbloc about refining reads. If there's arguments to be had, if there's disagreements to be had, if there's scumreads to be countered, if there's fights to be had...I just.

Prefer not to do it in real time. It's draining, both time and energy wise.

[mastina]

Why is Mastina in that list? She hasn’t been around much.

Quality over quantity, mate.

I'm behind.

Yes.

I'm struggling to stay in the game.

Yes.

But when I'm around, I AM contributing content.
I'm admittedly struggling to keep it GOOD content.
But I'm getting there.

[mastina]

I don't see her putting her reads all in one tier.

I do it almost every game.

I do separate it almost every game, and yes prefer to keep it separated, but the non-separated reads are something I can point to being in almost every single game beit town or scum at least once.

When I'm this behind tho.

Not a good idea to ask me to do that.

Just take my word for it, that I could prove it fairly definitively if I spent the time on it; I just thought the time would be better spent elsewhere.

[mastina]

He seems to believe all the claims.

Generally speaking I believe most of the claims in the game.
I also don't believe the claims are inherently town.
The exception to the inherently town claims would be the exception to the claim I believe.

[mastina]

IDK, part of me feels like Mastina posting realists is just active lurk and it seems kinda scummy to me.

Respectably: fuck off.

[mastina]

In fact the claim's half the reason why Ausuka's so low on my list.

yeah, but it would be p ballsy to fakeclaim miller and risking the CC unless we are going with *scum was told there was no miller*

1: The backup miller claimed first, this told scum that a miller fakeclaim was viable.
2: Two millers claiming in a game would not be a 1v1 between them; mod wifom of double-millers is SO ridiculously common that people wouldn't bat an eye at double miller claims, so a town miller counterclaiming a scum fakeclaim of miller won't lead to the scum miller fakeclaim being lynched.
3: Scum being informed there is no miller in the game is EXACTLY the sort of information a scum Informed is likely to have.

So.

[mastina]

btw, why'd you stop just doing blank readlists and start doing content posts?

I didn't.

I do blank readslists when nothing except my reads change.

I do content posts when my readslist remains the same but there's stuff to comment on.

I do both when there's both.

A lot of the early pages were no content for me to comment on, but my reads changed; readslists were the best way of expressing stuff.
A lot of the later pages aren't changing my readslist, but have content to comment on; commentary is the best way of expressing stuff.

[mastina]

oh mastina

- Non-town players may or may not receive "safe" "fakeclaims" in the form of

informed

modifiers

(E.g. "You know that a [role] does not exist in this game").

Yeah, Nero.

Modifiers are attached to roles.

That's an extension of a realclaim functioning as a safeclaim/knowing facts about the setup from the information of their ROLES.

[mastina]

Wheres your nullline mastina?

About URAP. Wouldn't say it goes into actual scumread until singletonking and even then it's still nullscum.

[mastina]

Why am I always your biggest townread?

Because you're always town.

[mastina]

mastina not re-evaluating any part of her read of my slot after I started posting is not making me feel better about her.

Yes well your posting isn't town, so.

usually there's like a narrative to go along with it.

There is. It's called "I really can't think of anything to comment on, but I did have change in feelings, and my reads are based on those feelings, so".

Just naked reads lists that show minimal movement on the important reads and provides no new information to town doesn't really seem like it's meant to help town understand her thought process.

I don't need people to understand my thought process; I need people to see I have thoughts. Having thoughts even if incomprehensible > not having thoughts even if understandable.

Deciding whether or not I'm "bussing" based on meta when you have no idea on my main is also pretty lazy.

I don't recall saying that.
I recall saying I thought that if URAP was scum it'd be because you bussed.
But I don't recall saying you were bussing based off of meta.

[mastina]

Like I don't see how you have ALL of my strongest town at the bottom of your list, this is like, way below random/average for you mastina
Your list practically reads as upside down to me

Maybe that's because you're scum.

[mastina]

Mastina, the difference is academic. The word "fakeclaim" was used

by the mod

to describe scum roles being informed of nonexistent town roles. It's a normal way of emulating a theme mechanic, which is kinda the point of this game.

The difference is absolutely NOT academic.

The difference between a scum faction with factional knowledge of "you know these facts".
And a scum faction with, sayyyy, a Scum Informed Roleblocker knowing "you know this fact" with, sayyyyyy, a Scum Informed Strongman knowing "you know this fact".

Is really fucking huge.

This game, AT MOST, has the latter; most theme games have the former--but the former is IMPOSSIBLE this game.

That's absolutely NOT semantics, absolutely NOT academic. That's a critical, fundamental, difference in the mechanics of how the games work.

[mastina]

But given the possibility for scum informed, what are the odds there's a town rolecop?

Much higher than the chances of a town cop.

I'd give this game a good 90% odds of having a town rolecop in some form or another.

I'd give this game about a 20% chance of having a town cop in any form.
(Note, could have a Neapolitan as a troll role because as role madness Neapolitan's worthless; could have a gunsmith, but I'm not going to comment on that until a more appropriate time.)

[mastina]

So you didn’t believe my claim?

Simple Roleblocker?

I believe it!

I just think it's a scum role here.

[mastina]

Because you never addressed my claim mastina

Well for a start wasn't sure if it was a serious claim or not but it doesn't matter if it was serious or not. I think you're scum by play, your claimed role doesn't magically reverse that and in fact reinforces it with it being a serious claim because I absolutely see a scum simple roleblocker as being a Skygazer role.

[mastina]

And yes I am perfectly aware simple = can only have action succeed on VTs so yes I am perfectly aware simple roleblocker as scum = literally worthless role, that's WHY I think it's a scum role here.

[mastina]

(Like. I am a good 90% sure that it's a scum role because I am fairly certain I know what types of roles Skygazer's going to make town and what types of roles Skygazer's going to make scum. Simple Roleblocker having utility as a town role = it's actually a scum role here. Trust me.)

[mastina]

For what it's worth, this is simply too much effort and genuine pro-town game-solveyness for scum to fake IMHO

For what it's worth, this level of empty praise of my efforts and singing them as pro-town is too white knightey for town to make IMHO.

[mastina]

I’ve never seen that role and I would think she would have some thoughts on it

My thoughts are that I have very fucking good reason to believe that's a scum role and it augments my existing scumread, sooooooooo.

[mastina]

So you could do goons as well. Sounds like a real role.

It IS a real role!

It is NOT a town one!

It is, good solid 90%, a scum one.

[mastina]

we'll lynch her down the line if she hasn't been sorted some kinda way.

Fortunately, I'm a masonizer (close enough to one anyway), so.

No issues there.

[mastina]

DJ is townreading me to an unreasonable degree and I think that's scum
DJ feels like a powerwolf in general

That would be an accurate description, yes.

[mastina]

I'd hammer a50 just b/c he's an ass to me.

Maybe that's because he has damn good reason to be an ass to you.

[mastina]

I'm starting to town read DJ. he's efforting this

Effort != alignment.

[mastina]

I'm like 98% sure she's just busy.

And yet you continuously shit on me when it's self-evident that yes I'm fucking busy.

[mastina]

pushing me is more likely to come from scum.

Only with demonstrated history with you.

A player knowing your style pushing you? Scum.

A player not familiar with you pushing you? Probably proof they're town because your typical scumteam will have a member who IS familiar with you and would warn them not to do that.

[mastina]

The way she claimed. She seemed excited to have rolled some sort of masonizer role in a way that I think scum wouldn’t bother attempting to fake.

I mean.

This is literally my favorite type of role to use as town, so.

[mastina]

Luv townreading mastina before mastina has said anything about anything beyond page 10 is ???
-djk

And this reaction is exactly why you’re probably scum.

I mean.
Not wrong!

[mastina]

Fair enough but I’ll believe the claim when I see it.

Hey you're the one who volunteered to be my target and actually has an idea of what my real role is.

And yes you will indeed see it when I can target someone because you're my intended target, so.

[mastina]

The way she claimed. She seemed excited to have rolled some sort of masonizer role in a way that I think scum wouldn’t bother attempting to fake.

(X) Doubt

(X) Counter-doubt.

[mastina]

Of course they can. That doesn't mean that cases based on them being awkward when they're consistently awkward as town are valid.

It does mean that defenses of them on the basis of "oh they're always awkward" aren't really valid especially when the reasons for thinking Baezu's scum aren't based around awkwardness.

[mastina]

Only people who have next to zero chance of being the NK volunteer to be the nk.

Why do you think I do it every game?

[mastina]

(That being said.
I might eat the nightkill for one simple reason.
Not being a claimed masonizer-of-sorts, scum won't bother touching me with a ten foot pole due to that.
Not being obvtown, I'm not.
Not being an active pro-town force; I'm not.
Not being accurate; the day mastina nails a scumteam is the day hell freezes over.
Not being charismatic; I'm too behind to manage that.

The reason I might eat the nightkill is that I am literally the only NRG member in the game as a player, and I actually know how Normals work, combined with me having a reasonably decent idea of what Skygazer would pull. I'm not gonna be the N1 nightkill, but I might eat an earlyish nightkill from THIS alone, no other reason needed. Basically, as long as I'm alive, what scum can get away with is limited; once I'm dead they're a lot more free in what they're capable of getting away with. But I digress.)

[mastina]

arrogance

Welcome to mafiascum.

[mastina]

This is why I do so well as scum - I can play the association game and I hardbus my Ps.

back to sring me despite sheeping my reads?

[mastina]

I didn't on purpose I thought I was being smart but it was an effing town stomp anyway. So cringe.

And THAT, mfriends.

Is why I don't bus.

I learned the hard way why bussing's stupid.

[mastina]

VC here.

[mastina]

A lurking Mastina is also a good vote.

Yeah, for scum.

A lurking mastina = a busy/struggling mastina.

You fucking already know from recent fucking experience it's never scumastina.

[mastina]

>74 pages
What the fuck did I in to?

Mafiascum.

[mastina]

Jail Mastina

Uhh.

Claimed masonizer-type role?

Anyone with a roleblocker-type action targeting me's, quite literally, scumclaiming.

[mastina]

I would Cop her instead.

Also a waste.

[mastina]

Mod: Sick, so I'll be limited in what I can do until recovered.

This game DOES need my immediate attention, so I AM sorry, I'll do everything which I can, but I SHOULD take it easy so I can't really manage much. I know I already marked V/LA because I was busy but now said V/LA may last longer than that time. And I do apologize, I know I'm needed here, I know I need to catch up, I know I got close, but I'm not really up to it tonight. I can squeeze in time tomorrow, but again. Not as much as needed. Time, yes. But not ENOUGH time.

[mastina]

Hypoclaim;
If I used my role last night, I used it on

Alchemist21

.
Last night, I either {Wasn't Able To Use My Role, Used My Role But Am Choosing Not To Disclose Success, or Used My Role Unsuccessfully}.

I promise you it is one of those three;
I will not specify further at this time.

But this should make me:
Town Town Town, So Townie,
Towniest of town that you'll ever see,
Town Town Town, So Townie,
Towniest of town that you'll ever see~

[mastina]

Having said that I still think Vork is bullshitting scum

Sounds like it to me!

[mastina]

Oh this hood talk reminds me, Mastina didn’t Masonize me last night.

I very much wish you hadn't revealed this.

Oh well.

My statement stands; one of the two options I stated was the case, {Wasn't Able To Use My Role, Used My Role Unsuccessfully}.
One of those is the case.

[mastina]

I'm a hider. I hide behind people to avoid NKs. I also give fruit to the person I hide (because I guess skygazer thought that LOUD or ANNOUNCING was too unoriginal and the meme value of making a multitasking complex fruit vendor doctor was too good to pass up on)

VOTE: Vorkuta.
Yeah you fucked up your fakeclaim...
...Again.

A hider who also fruit vends and does these actions on the same target is a valid Normal role, but it requires a modifier--a different one than the one you claimed. In fact, Multitasking would be basically the

opposite

of the modifier you're claiming for your role here.

[mastina]

ok cool

I can fruit vend
and
I can hide
in one night

but I am not multitasking

That role requires a very specific modifier.
If you could Hide OR Fruit Vend, no modifier needed--but you're claiming you did both.
There are only two modifiers which allow that; Multitasking is one and you're claiming to not have it, and you've basically confirmed you don't possess the OTHER modifier.

Soyeah.

Vork's caught lying scum.

[mastina]

SS, mastina and anyone else who is famailiar with normal roles can back me up. I won't explain what's wrong with Vork's role in order not to help Axum how to fakeclaim better, but if requested I will.

Can vouch for this and also back it up similarly; I don't want to explain WHY Vork fucked up his fakeclaim, but he fucked up his fakeclaim.

[mastina]

im an investigative with no helpful info.

Welcome to every investigative role in the game.

[mastina]

why did you assume he was weak?

I wanted to bait a contradiction out of him.

(Btw, this interaction means Something_Smart and singletonking are both probably town for what it's worth.)

[mastina]

My role is Town Miller Motion Detector.

You know how I didn't believe Ausuka was a town miller?

Well THIS claim?

This claim I buy.

[mastina]

-I started doing that waaaay before the mastina claim

Yo. I'm an honorary masonizer.

[mastina]

@mastina?

I saw it.

I think it's just Vork backtracking after a series of backtracks.

So.

[mastina]

I mean he's still scum but he did at least get the multitasking part of his fakeclaim right

Not immediately.
He had to basically be guided into it.

[mastina]

The only thing giving me pause is like. Literally everyone just accepted that im loyal with a guilty.

Vork was on my kill list for today anyway.

That too.

Remember my scum list from yesterday?

Barring me reading the like 70 pages I missed it remains true still, soooo.

Speaking of which, giving the updated form:

RedFlavor
RCEnigma
Alchemist21
Something_Smart
singletonking
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Nero Cain

Ausuka
Almost50
Chara
Flavor Leaf

Lil Uzi Vert
u r a person 2

Baezu
DJ
Vorkuta




Something like this.

[mastina]

Or scum simple cop, for that matter, but rolecop would be funnier.

No, I'd argue Simple Cop for scum is a whole lot more funny.

For town tho, simple rolecop would be more hilarious.

[mastina]

and your "not so masonized" alch not up there?

That's easy.
A scum Alch wouldn't draw attention to the fact that he wasn't masonized; it's a good way to put himself under immediate scrutiny.

His claim to have not been masonized is thus

insanely

town. I might not have successfully masonized him last night, but I don't need to anymore; he showed himself to be town with that.

I'll probably target Almost50 instead. That's a more contested read.

[mastina]

DJ is at the complete wrong end of that list.

I don't see why.

[mastina]

Mastina loyal neighbourized Alch and that failed and idk how I feel about it tbh.

Oh this hood talk reminds me, Mastina didn’t Masonize me last night.

I very much wish you hadn't revealed this.

Oh well.

My statement stands; one of the two options I stated was the case, {Wasn't Able To Use My Role, Used My Role Unsuccessfully}.
One of those is the case.

Hypoclaim;
If I used my role last night, I used it on

Alchemist21

.
Last night, I either {Wasn't Able To Use My Role, Used My Role But Am Choosing Not To Disclose Success, or Used My Role Unsuccessfully}.

I promise you it is one of those three;
I will not specify further at this time.

[mastina]

i do think we should wait for mastina to return before hammering this btw

Knock yourself out I guess? Boon always flips scum here so maybe mastina will out herself as a partner though I'd be surprised if there were 5 scum in the game. I guess Alch/Nerohydra/Chara could have strong roles to balance that out.

I'M SO BUMMED YOU STOLE MY FUCKING GUILTY FROM ME

DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I WAS WAITING TO PULL THE REVEAL

AND HOW MUCH EFFORT I HAD PUT INTO TRYING TO SET THAT UP

[mastina]

Subject: eicn(tg): the dead/spec thread

BUT MASTINA NEVER CATCHES UP
I think she does check for her cop tho, at day start

Explicitly so, yeah. I was waiting D2 for Alch to clear himself before posting, and I was waiting D3 for Almost50 to clear himself before posting, and I was waiting D4 for FL to either clear himself or fuck himself over on D4 before posting.

I was online over two hours ago, but FL hadn't posted yet and I needed to make sure to wait until he had, so.

[mastina]

Subject: eicn(tg): the dead/spec thread

BUT MASTINA NEVER CATCHES UP
I think she does check for her cop tho, at day start

Explicitly so, yeah. I was waiting D2 for Alch to clear himself before posting, and I was waiting D3 for Almost50 to clear himself before posting, and I was waiting D4 for FL to either clear himself or fuck himself over on D4 before posting.

I was online over two hours ago, but FL hadn't posted yet and I needed to make sure to wait until he had, so.

Basically the entire reason I was a lurker was because I was WAITING for people to post my (lack of) message, which is why I wasn't around D3 in spite of being online and capable of posting.

[mastina]

Also I wanna read the neighborhood/scum PTs.

[mastina]

amusing anecdote: i had 2 seperate ppl tell me (during D1 when only krazy was posting) that DJ was definitely Alisae and possiblyyyyy krazy

Hey that wasn't possibly past a certain point; I was sure it was him.

I was sure the WRONG HEAD was him but that's beside the point.

[mastina]

yeah once i realized smith isnt playing on ms for no reason krazy was my next guess and i had a vibe the absent partner was ali
mastina why were you so confident krazy was scum? i never really saw that read but he never did anything that locked him in as town, so

Because I thought Krazy was the head NOT posting.

[mastina]

No ok

Why couldn't have I been an idiot townie
who can't read

and was multitasking fv hider who used both actions on the same target?

Because Multitasking Fruit Vendor Hider means that each night, you can give fruit to any player and hide behind any player.

What you were looking for was

Combined

Fruit Vendor Hider, which allows you to target one player and use both actions on them. This is what both singletonking and I were dancing around when asking you for clarification.

Also, claiming hider in response to a failed vig shot is a pretty weak play that probably won't save you, especially since (ironically) you claimed NOT weak hider which, while that is totally something Skygazer would do, is tantamount to being bulletproof. And a bulletproof claim when you're under pressure will do you no favors.

Can confirm, pretty much this, yeah.

[mastina]

SS = GOAT.

*grumble grumble fucking killstealers gripe gripe*

[mastina]

Subject: eicn(tg): a neighborhood

Does mastina lurk as scum?

yes

You know Nero.

You keep on saying this.

And yet.

Every.
single.
game.

You say it in.

I end up being town.

Maybe, just maybe.

You should consider.

That just maybe.

Your meta of me is wrong and that lurking isn't scum indicative of me?