Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Bingle]

I'm a miller and in a hood with Marquis and Vecna.

No one should target any of us unless their role is crazy negative utility.

Additionally, no one should use a night action for any reason.

Marquis/Vecna, go ahead and obvtown so I can share my prospective gamesolve with you tonight.

Also, to prove a thing:

VOTE: Pelican
VOTE: Marquis
VOTE: Vecna
VOTE: Pine

I have one fewer vote per day until I'm as useless as the rest of you.

[Bingle]

@

FakeGod

does the player the mafia designates to perform the factional nightkill become addicted to caffeine or is it only nonfactional abilities.

Factional Kill does not count for caffeine addiction.

Hmm. Nevermind the everyone should always holster, I suppose.

Pops, what made you want to ask this question?

[Bingle]

Oh.

UNVOTE:

I misunderstood my role.

I thought I could split the votes.

Still though, I'm gonna not vote.

[Bingle]

VOTE: pops

?

[Bingle]

I'm not voting. Multivoting is bad for town outside of confirming that it exists.

[Bingle]

[Bingle]

Make more sense, pops.

[Bingle]

Pretty much the whole thing.

[Bingle]

I understood the completely irrelevant smash bits, yeah.

I didn't understand why you're assuming the millers are vanilla when I literally just proved I'm not.
I don't understand why you think outing a miller is worse for town than letting our cop investigate a miller and waste a day, regardless of whether they will be corroborated.
I don't understand how I'm 'rolefishing'.
I don't understand why Dance or G&R are relevant to this game.
I don't understand what a godfather neighborhood would be, or why it'd be in this game.
I don't understand why there's specifically 6 millers.
I don't understand why you think my don't target anyone in my neighborhood post for any reason has anything to do with my status as a miller. (Hint: It doesn't. There's more roles that target than just cop and none of them should target us.)

[Bingle]

Tinfoil theory, pops has a godfather partner.

Spicier tinfoil theory, my neighborhood is an unkillable masonry if pops flips red.

[Bingle]

Bingle is Jingle but with a B

expanding brain meme

[Bingle]

You... You know I'm a public Jingle alt, right?

This is my playing account.

[Bingle]

In fact, the two people most responsible for this account existing are in this game.

Boon filled my egosearch with like 4000 threads and FG has been after me to make an alt named Bingle for like 3 months.

[Bingle]

Oh, that was a wing?

My bad.

:whistles:

[Bingle]

Holy fuck it's midnight. I'm supposed to be emptying a garage in 6 hours. Later nerds.

[Bingle]

Bingle is high effort, full on mech talk. it feels good, but he always manages to feel that way as scum. hes definately in his scum rabge so far.

True.

OTOH, the way for me to be out of my scumrange is to play like shit, so...

Jingle LOVES forcing fake towntells as scum.

True.

[Bingle]

Actually, does it get more interesting if I tell you the two of us can almost single-handedly hammer someone?

Read Stellaris Mafia. I'm not voting. I'll express who I would be voting (pops), but I don't trust town to not fuck things up.

[Bingle]

Holy crap. Your flavor is also a frog?

Wat?

Also no. My flavor is explicitly not a frog. I'm a toad., and demand to be addressed as m'lard.

[Bingle]

I dno, town pops was t very snappy and snarky last game. its a bad reason, but my gut wasnt feeling good.

I feel like his thought processes made a lot more sense last time, but I also wasn't really trying to read him, so...


I had a pretty strong townread on pops for the 'does the nk make caffeine addictions happen question' because I had assumed it did (it's a night action, after all) and thought we could make this functionally a nightless setup with neighborhoods. Which was the essence of the no one should act at night line of reasoning.

[Bingle]

I actually don't think it's negative utility for town to leave it unclaimed or for town to target us.

Wat?

[Bingle]

Aight, back to being productive. Someone throw a rock into the nearest duck pond if my presence is required. I will know, and it will summon me.

[Bingle]

Bingle how does not making sense make me scummy

I can't track your thought process, therefore I can't find the origin of the thought process, therefore I can't pin down your alignment. Thus, we poke you until AI things fall out.

[Bingle]

Maybe I'm the stupid one because I cant even understand half the words that are being used in this thread

90% of it is setup spec and meta fuckery among people who have played with one another

I knew I hated mafia

It looks like I can help kagami lynch scum, so I'll go back to doing that.
VOTE: fish boy

I don't see it. Pics?

[Bingle]

I'm an alt of Karl Urban. Only I'm much sexier

Just noticed this. Covering the Eyebrows makes you like 30% as sexy, max.

[Bingle]

Yo Boon, I'm not townreading you yet. You scum?

[Bingle]

Sure, town would also wonder about it, so why a strong townread and not just treat it as completely NAI?

I am treating it as NAI now, because the headspace it was coming from was not the headspace I thought it was coming from. Keep up, Vecs.

[Bingle]

Yo vecna, you wanna vote me to prove you're not full of cold air about being another me?

[Bingle]

I've tried to read the last three pages like four times, and I can safely say I think my eyes are bleeding.

[Bingle]

Bingle

is having too much fun given the post quality

, so probably scum

[Bingle]

?

[Bingle]

Sorry, typing is hard, I've moved too much weight today.

[Bingle]

:/

That's an odd comparison to make.

[Bingle]

That’s a spicy hammer opportunity.

[Bingle]

UNVOTE: Marquis

Coward.

[Bingle]

It is kinda weird. Boon knows I never hammer there. Boon, whar be your thoughts?

[Bingle]

Every single


Game



I miss the first 20-30 pages because I was busy


Fml

Sorry, everyone already got asked to the dance. You’re gonna die.

[Bingle]

Why are the DoL and Urban ISO’s top tier?

[Bingle]

I have thoughts, but nothing worth sharing atm.

[Bingle]

Btw, Karl urban is jjd, because that is the name of the actor from the reboot. And Karl urban has some amazing facial hair.

[Bingle]

Vecna has claimed but not peen that he has a similar if not identical power. If true, that means we collectively can lynch anyone who has a vote. I’m inclined to believe we’re both town, but have reservations, which largely have to do with why I haven’t outed my thoughts on the caffeine mechanic or the full ability we share, other than it being a bad idea for town to target us.

[Bingle]

Proven not peen.

[Bingle]

I don't understand why there's specifically 6 millers.

I counted 5 so far, unless Vecna is also a Miller (when you said a Neighbourhood with Marquiz & Vecna I thought you meant one OTHER THAN the Millers club)

Vecna hasn't said one way or the other whether he's a miller, afaik. And as acknowledgement to the peeps asking some number of pages ago, I don't have the role miller, but the caveat in my pm that I will investigate as if I were mafia.

Regardless, he shouldn't be targeted.

[Bingle]

focus that rage elsewhere. Or not. I dont really care since its at least amusing. But it does make me scumread you slightly. Maybe less than slightly. It leaves a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth, as in, youre eager to show how snarky you can be to people that give you a moderate reason to do so, which ofcourse can be a usefull little cover.

Kuribo is a valorous visitation of a bygone vexation that stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition!

I'm not saying he's been most likely to blow up parliament, but his rage is probably the least fake rage on site.

[Bingle]

Wait wtf? Youre actually a miller?

Yeah. I have the neighborhood thing, and also I investigate as if I am a member of the mafia, and also I vote shenanigans. My role name isn't miller, but I explicitly am one, which is super weird since it should be impossible to investigate me. I may or may not also have super powers involving turning into a flaming poodle and pissing all over the front yard.

[Bingle]

I think ive played with boonskies, but I dont really remember how he plays tbh.

Take a hamster. Now give that hamster coffee. Now, take that hyperactive hamster with coffee and give it meth and LSD at the same time. Every time that hamster changes direction in his hamster wheel, FL will come up with a different fakeclaim.

Also, he likes murdertunnels and is pretty meh on early game reads but can solve a game out of the blue if scum leave him alive long enough and he has a reason to reevaluate.

There's also a few things he does that let me locktown him and I don't think he knows what any of them are, so I have no interest in trying to force a read today. I don't think he's unassailable town yet, but we'll get there if he's town.

Bonus points if you piss him off, because he gets super readable, super fast.

[Bingle]

Does the miller thing fit your flavour at all?

I have no idea. I'm a rich toad lord. I mean... I guess miller might fit in that everyone I meet probably hates me, but not knowing the flavor composition of the scumteam, :shrugs:.

[Bingle]

Who are the multivoters and why do you think the multivoters are T/T?

Me and maybe Vecna, although he's unconfirmed.

[Bingle]

Kuribo is a gem.

Kuribo might be my favorite scummer.

[Bingle]

I have the same general flavour as you Bingle.

Good to know you, M'Lard.

[Bingle]

As for Bingle stating were toads as opposed to frogs.....clearly the flavour of Fogport is just a historical inaccuracy made to opress us, the initial frog-founders.

[Bingle]

Should I read the previous pages or is it more rage arguing?

I at least have been gameplay-ing.

[Bingle]

I just lost a sweep to scum Bingle murderlating me with multivoter though, when I had decent play reads

Pretty decent reads that involved letting Bingle decide every lynch and townreading Bingle's deepwolf partner.

You were one of the like 3 people that suspected me though, so gratz.

[Bingle]

I mean... I think I quote responded to everything important?

Fish and vecna poked kuribo long after it stopped being funny, and kuribo probably had like 3 mini heart attacks. Me and vecna had a bit of mechanics stuff where it became clear he's not a miller in a hood of people who are millers-who-can't-be-investigated, which is intriguing.

I don't actually think anything else happened, although there was some mention of fellatio and FG had to complain about potty mouths, if that makes you want to read it.

[Bingle]

NOBODY EVEN COMES CLOSE.

:eyebrow:

[Bingle]

Eh. Stop focusing on the parity cop claim imo. It's pretty meaningless to catching scum D1.

[Bingle]

Bingle had infrared vision.

Stop rolefishing dammit!

[Bingle]

Frigid take:

Kuribo/Vecna is never S/S.

[Bingle]

hider can hide behind me it's safe
vecna me Chandra kuribo fish gork all town
everyone else pls start towntelljnh

This... this actually needs votes I think.

Looking back, marquis only claimed miller super early and hasn’t claimed it again since I outed the first bit of our neighborhood.

[Bingle]

Oh and they will leave their old PT's. It might be a good way to resolve the miller situation shit if they have some crappy active ability I guess.

Either way, thats full disclosure. Gambits were probably possible, but it seems like a very bad idea to have confusion on this topic.

I was considering going for a gambit, but you're right.

I don't think anyone should really be going after joining our PT, considering caffeine, though.

The reflexive roleblocker bit makes us functionally unkillable if we're all town, in which case caffeine shouldn't be an issue.

I'll get around to PT spec and pushing tomorrow maybe. I've been pulling 12+ hour days, though, if that helps explain my absence.

I'm gonna go pass out now.

[Bingle]

Occam's Razor is you just lolclaimed miller early in D1 as scum which is usually a good strategy in a large theme, but you forgot to think more about your neighborhood

I’m in the same neighborhood and actually a miller, so...

Like, why even is Marquis being wagoned?

[Bingle]

Yeah... see that’s not dissonance. That’s two separate issues. As far as I can tell, there is a valid reason to want marquis dead (baiting powerful night actions into a vanillaizer) and a wagon on marquis for moonlogicky reasons.

Being willing to lynch there doesn’t preclude trying to read the wagon forming there. I ask again, why is marquis being wagoned?

[Bingle]

How the fuck do you have a miller that's a reflexive roleblocking vanillaizer

A roleblocking vanillaizer makes a miller modifier moot since no one can get an investigation result on them anyway

It’s kinda like that was exactly what I said when I claimed. My guess is there’s some way for scum to redistribute roles at some point, which likely means if we all rush to enforce the best roles use their power idea, scum can then put the best roles in the hands of people who aren’t yet addicted.

On the topic of caffeine:


There are several options: 1. We leave it alone. Everyone makes their own decision about acting/not acting and we hope there aren’t sufficient tempting night actions to fuck us.

2. We set forth an arbitrary guideline, such as everyone in portion {set} of the player list can act. Anyone outside that set does not, on pain of being lynched. This is double edged, as it takes away the caffeine if sufficiently large but also has the side effect of wrecking synergy. I lean this option, personally.

3. D1 massclaim. This setup has a few of the hallmarks of being a broken by massclaim setup. I’m very reluctant to do this though, as FG has a history of hating massclaim setups and punishing towns for trying to abuse them.

4. We play this mountainous. If we want to do this, go ahead and lynch me now because I will be bored and useless the entire time.

5. I make a list of the roles that are worth using, and only people with those roles act tonight. This is probably a good plan, but I don’t know that I’ll have the free time to come up with a reasonably comprehensive list.

6. We claim acting/non acting before N1 and juggle until we hit a desired proportion (probably 9/8). This leads to a fairly early massclaim.

7. We gamble, hard. Barring any weird shenanigans if our neighborhood is a masonry, we’re functionally unkillable barring scum having some kind of strong willed anti vanillaizer role. If it’s just strong willed, the first one of us they shoot gets rid of the power that lets them shoot us. If that’s the case, two of the three of us can be caffeine free for life. Of course, if the neighborhood contains scum or scum has multiple workarounds, we might be fucked, royally, by this plan.

Again, I endorse option 2 and would be happy to pick nine names who can act tonight, if we agree that that is what our plan is and that no one will claim because they’re mad they don’t get to use their super badass power.

D2, any member of {acting} who didn’t act can be replaced. This should eliminate the worry of a caffeine victory even if mafia has some way of addicting people to caffeine forcibly.

Off to make all of my muscles sore again.

[Bingle]

I don't understand why you think my don't target anyone in my neighborhood post for any reason has anything to do with my status as a miller. (Hint: It doesn't. There's more roles that target than just cop and none of them should target us.)

I have not hidden this at all.

Marquis has not confirmed actual miller status, and it’s fairly reasonable to think that miller is shorthand for negative utility if targeted. Therefore, the logic would be that anyone voting marquis on the basis of miller that can’t be targeted would be more suspicious of the guy who outright claimed miller who can’t be targeted. Which is, in itself suspicious.

Additionally, I feel like marquis is just one face in a crowd of “Should be doing more reads” (including me!) and is catching a lot of flak over that. Which is suspicious.

Additionally, no one who is suspicious of marquis has even mentioned my reason to scumread him, suggesting to me that they don’t care about reading him, which is suspicious.

Teal deer: Marquis is scummy. The wagon on marquis is scummy. These stances are not conflicting at all.

[Bingle]

Jingle, what you think about

I'm unable to fullclaim, but my role is confirmed town upon certain conditions.

I have a guess as to what it could be and will probably grill him in the pt if we’re both alive to do so come night phase. If I’m right, it resolves a lot of my worries surrounding his play.

[Bingle]

*If entirely original. If merely the summation of groupthink that I missed, it’s NAI

The list is original, but it’s in response to my 7 proposed cafstrats and >rand scum, I think.

The downside to this one, and it’s a fairly decently sized downside, is that it provides a roadmap of all the good prs that scum can follow. It also pretty much guarantees that our strongest prs die because any docs staying home means they’re unprotected post claim. Like, say, kuribo, the obvious doc protect if town. In fact, I’d pretty much switch the doc and Roleblocker categories because the scum nightkill is likely to be hyper targeted by the number of caffeinated players and scum distribution therein.

In addition, if my tinfoil about scum being able to roleswap is accurate, this is a pretty good way to make all of our strongest PRs useless.

As far as roleswapping being bastard, I can’t see how it would be. Vanillaizer is very similar in function, and clearly not outside of the realm of possibility for this game. The only other thing that makes my role make sense to me is day actions, which neatly sidesteps our neighborhood AND caffeine.

[Bingle]

is that even allowed

Avvy bets based on games aren’t, no, but pops makes avvy bets about changing his avvy to the same avvy, so it’s not really outside influence, just cute.

[Bingle]

I changed my avatar to Scholarship Student Isis on page 10 when Chandra started townreading me to reward her with cute avi love but I'm not sure that was allowed.

Can you change your avvy to Scholarship Student Isis for me? Every game where you haven't you've been scum, so I think it might be a trust tell I can abuse.

[Bingle]

I have little idea why Bingle thinks FakeGod massclaimproofs his setups but doesn't bother with follow-the-cop-proofing them, or even follow-the-cop-proofing them X% of the time.

*cough*4 miller claims and 3 people who straight up vanilla-ize anyone who targets them*cough*

FG taught me to balance setups, way back in 2013. Despite the fact that our mod philosophies are wildly different, I have a pretty good idea of how he goes about balancing things. And this setup is inherently resistant to follow the cop BECAUSE of caffeine, even if it were 11 docs 2 cops and 4 goons.

And yeah, vig shouldn't act either.

[Bingle]

Is it bad that I feel uneasy about Jingle?

No. If you don't feel uneasy about Jingle, Jingle has either broken the setup or Jingle is scum going for the power wolf.

I haven't broken the setup and I would never go for the power wolf of the back of Role Call considering the player list is like 70% the same.

[Bingle]

The best use of vig is to confirm themselves as town by having two kills in a night. Otherwise, vig is usually a really bad role in town's hands. It is less utility than activated IC and should only shoot once, outside of mechanical reasons otherwise (Open setups, taking a setup off of evens, etc). It is roughly equivalent to Friendly Neighbor in that it is publicly known as opposed to relying on targeting town who is not the night kill.

Given that you think Friendly Neighbor shouldn't act, Vig definitely shouldn't act.

[Bingle]

Half the town should act. If you have a role that you expect to be in the upper 50 percentile in terms of power, you should act.

That is like the single least effective way to ensure we don't get caffeine endgamed. Congrats.

And if you have a role that demands you be killed to stop it, you absolutely, 107% act. That includes Vig.

:Thorface:

[Bingle]

What if it's your plan to fool everyone and do something no one expects?

That's why I wouldn't powerwolf this game as scum.

But seriously, I feel like you pushing setup speculation way too far with info we have and we'd be better, if we do more actual scumhunting instead

Sure. But setup spec is the thing I can do easily without devoting a lot of time to this game. I'll scumhunt as I can, but I'm busy rn with RL and prepping for something that I care about waaay more than this game, as cool as it is. #sorrynotsorry

[Bingle]

Is AP angryPidgeon?

God I wish. Nah, it's an Austin Powers themed Gimmick alt.

Madbird is gone for good because political differences AFAIK.

[Bingle]

JJD is AP and AP is A50

Uh. I didn't. And I interact with A50 a lot. Like, a lot a lot.

It seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[Bingle]

Somehow I've never managed to get in a political discussion during a game of mafia.

I wasn't around for it, but I was told he got bullied for being a conservative and sitequit. Despite that, he's still on my list of top ten scummers of all time, and probably the individual player who I consider the best at scumhunting, including all of the current bignames like RC.

[Bingle]

If there's a Doc, which seems pretty likely, that already does a lot to make it very difficult to effect a caffeine endgame.

Lowkey, there's a decent chance that the caffeine endgame is a red herring to fuck with town. OTOH, if the game is all about MASSIVELY POWERFUL TOWN! and MASSIVELY POWERFUL SCUM COUNTERS! which seems likely at this point, then your strategy will likely be the same as gamble on scum not having a hard counter to my hood, because the amount of town power will be overwhelming but scum will have answers.

[Bingle]

I'd put odds at 70:30 caffeine matters:caffeine distraction, btw.

[Bingle]

Jingle thinks vigs are protown, at least when you ask the exact same question differently in a different game

Yeah. Because a successful vig kill conftowns the vig.

I literally said that in that game. Scum wants to stop the vig from conftowning themselves, even if the vig would be shooting town guaranteed.

Friendly Neighbor is also a protown role.

[Bingle]

The fuck are you on about

Inside joke that only RCE (Pelican), FL & Jingle (Bingle) will understand.

What do you mean, Jingle isn't playing this game.

[Bingle]

and then separately, I am aware both in my role PM and in the hood that anyone who visits a member will be RBed and VNed. it seems to indicate if I'm no longer in the hood for some reason I no longer have those reflexive qualities. I knew Bingle and Vecna knew this too and that was essentially my pregame info before claim fuckery happened. As far as I knew I was the only one with the Miller modifier

+1

Except that Vecna seems to not have the Miller modifier.

[Bingle]

@Jingle - do you see what I’m saying?

I do.

I'm not particularly ready to end the day before I think, but it does seem pretty damning.

It doesn't quite match my PM (the reflexive robleblocking-vanillaizer neighborhood bit doesn't appear elsewhere in my PM, just the neighborhood area), but you and pops agreeing on this seems pretty far-fetched as a frame-job.

[Bingle]

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

[Bingle]

Shush you. We're checking to see if Pelican tastes like Duck or Chicken.

[Bingle]

Well I'm trying to lynch scum over here but y'all have derailed my shit twice now

Who are you trying to lynch?

[Bingle]

You still kinda have to lynch Pelipper because he is scum roleblocker or scum rolecop or whatever he actually is and Flavor Leaf might not actually be vig because he's Flavor Leaf he'd hard claim anything really.

In guns and roses he claimed 3 roles per day phase as town, it's only 2 so far today but he still has time to meet or exceed his average.

If FL is town-fakeclaiming he's put a lot of work into making the fakeclaim believable, which is probably scumleaf. If Perry the Platypus is fakeclaiming as most roles, scum saving him is fine. I'll explain why tomorrow.

If either of them is realclaiming, we have the same 1v1 tomorrow in the worst case scenario. In the best case scenario, we have a dead scum and a conftown townie.

This isn't subjective read territory, this is about what is mechanically correct.

[Bingle]

VoteCount 1.6

Marquis [2] - Pine, PenguinPower
Fish Monger [2] - Kagami, kuribo
Pine [3] - Gorkington, Marquis, Chandra Nalaar
popsofctown [1] - Fish Monger
Judge Joseph Dredd [1] - ofrhz
Chandra Nalaar [5] - Flavor Leaf, Vecna x3, Judge Joseph Dredd
Kagami [3] - Perry Pelican, Day One Lynch, popsofctown

Not Voting [2]

- Croag, Bingle

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-08-31 20:00:00)

So... Not interested in CN/Kags based on FL/Perry. We should probably reevaluate that after we know which one of them is scum for sure. Fish Monger seems fine, but I felt like he was town earlier when he was supporting my read on pops. I was probably wrong on pops though, so :shrugs:. Pine seems like the only other wagon of note right now, and I have no idea what that's about.

[Bingle]

Someone who doesn't lynch confirmable roles D1?

Bitch, that stereotype is populated by people who learned to play from me.

I can explain why scum roleblocker isn't a big concern, tomorrow.

[Bingle]

Again, why are we lynching a confirmable role?

[Bingle]

Because confirming it doesn't make it town. FG likes scum vigs.

Scum vig is a fuckton of power, especially in a game where there's an alternative scum wincon anyway. Press Doubt to X.

[Bingle]

Again, why are we lynching a confirmable role?

who should we be lynching bingle

and why are you not hitting people in the face to try to make that wagon happen alternatively?

Because RL?

The last time I looked, Pine and Fish Monger were the reasonable alternatives not being actively pushed by the people in the 1v1. I don't understand why the Pine wagon exists, (and asked) and I think kuri's murderboner for Fish Monger is largely NAI, but that that's still a better lynch than the fucking claimed vig on D1.

If it weren't a terrible idea for me to do so, I'd be voting there.

People I'd like to be talking about but are largely not here include: ofrhz, Croag, Kags, JJD, Pongwin, and you.

People I'm townreading fairly solidly are: DoL, kuribo.

People I'm desperately hoping are town but am largely procrastinating on until the Night Phase are: Marquis/Vecna.

People I don't want to touch until this whole mess sorts itself out are pops, FL, Perry, Chandra.

[Bingle]

high effort sounding stuff

This isn't high effort. This is me being crazy busy IRL and setting up complicated games, and doing what I can with minimal effort.

I've been pretty up front with that.

[Bingle]

^^Wants to get tracked visiting and dead body and still be allowed to fakeclaim Fruit Vendor

?

Marquis is immune to tracking, because you know, immune to everything neighborhood. WTF even is this?

[Bingle]

but can you walk through some specific reasoning as to why you think FL is scum here?

He's probably not.

If Flavor is scum, it's probably WITH pops and that's some ballsy ass play. That said, FL is exactly the type of person who would go with said ballsy ass play because he's the person who can walk away from that play smelling like roses.

As far as the claim goes, Flavor went super in depth on a Vig crumb (the crumb was complicated, referential, and pointed to a specific player.) In my experience (a lot) with Boon, he tends to go with a smattering of weaker crumbs so that he can tailor his shit to whatever gambit he needs to make. In vengeful ghosts, for example, he crumbed by using V. T. instead of VT when claiming. The fakeclaim this 'supported' was vengecop. Like... The entire process here is completely different than Flavor's normal jumpy as shit claiming, which tells me either he's probably either actually a vig or scum.

[Bingle]

tbh i feel like pine is intentionally lurking

Could be. I know he's doing RL shit too, though, and he's not usually active D1 in larges afaicr.

I'd be down to clown with a Pine wagon though.

[Bingle]

Clarification: I'm still not gonna vote because fuck being a multivoter.

[Bingle]

I'm pretty sure there was a scum vig in a FG game with an alternate wincon just a few years back.

I'd ask for lynx, but let's be honest. I don't got time for that shit.

[Bingle]

And I'm saying you aren't providing an alternative either by parking a meaningless vote on a wagon that won't pick up steam

I'm legitimately confused about this lecture.

Like... Why can't my wagon pick up steam? We have three days left, I'm already full claimed, I'm not really around to defend myself other than spurts, and you and pops both SR me. Hell, Vec and Quis too, I think.

[Bingle]

kuribo/pops/FL/? scumteam?

Is that... like too out there?

[Bingle]

Gork voted me on the grounds that I haven't been pushing reads. Which is true. I haven't.

[Bingle]

I need to be productive again, but hopefully I'll have time for this in a few hours.

[Bingle]

hoo boy

VOTE: bingle gork idk if this gets anywhere but I'm with it
like with the timing and content of bingle's pop ins I saw the same thing. I don't exactly want to call it whiteknighting bc idk if pelican is town but it's easy scum content to throw up opposition to stuff without trying to lead town in an actual direction.

This is a scumpost.

[Bingle]

Wait, clarify?

pops mechanics trapped Perry into saying the miller part of their role PM was in the neighborhood bit.

pops and FL both clarified it was both in the neighborhood bit and the abilities bit.

Perry claimed vig.

FL counterclaimed vig.

Perry is almost certainly scum based on the whole given direct instructions to look at his Role PM he didn't describe a miller role PM.

Perry has since acknowledged that the miller bit comes up in both places, meaning JJD is just high when he attributes this to mod fuckery because townPerry wouldn't change his story unless he derpread in the first place.

Given that Perry claimed a confirmable role, I want to give him a night phase to, you know, confirm his role. As you do.

[Bingle]

i think i want this
VOTE: bingle

I can get behind that for now

VOTE: Bingle

Why?

[Bingle]

I think both JJD and Marquis's votes on me are all sortsa gross.

I think my preferred lynch is JJD, actually.

[Bingle]

Because you are deepwolfing.

:thorface:

I'm deepwolfing, in that roughly half of the playerlist has expressed a willingness to lynch me and the best descriptor to my play is absent. Sure.

I'm hiding behind my inability to be targeted by making sure that everyone knows that I have to be solved via dayplay. Sure.

Both of those are all sorts of dumb, but really, the big concern with your vote is that I was mechanically town in your eyes yesterday and suddenly I'm scum with no progression at all.

[Bingle]

Town you would NOT be "not voting" under these circumstances. You just want to appear super town, like "hey.. I've got this power and I'm not using it!"

Nope. Any me would not be using my vote power because doublevoter is negative utility for town and insane utility for scum. It's one of the worst designed roles in the game. It gives a disproportionate amount of power to the reads of one player, enables shitty lolhammers, and fucks the shit out of VCA. Note, that I have mentioned a few times who I would have been voting if I wasn't a terrible role, and currently that is you.

[Bingle]

like in my memory it was someone all like oh I was somehow mistaken I thought all hoods had daytalk. yours doesn't? ok cool moving on
ugh where

quoting this so I don't forget to look into i during RL tomorrow if we get there.

I checked, it was either you or Perry, depending on which one you're thinking of.

You had a potentially faked townslip of not realizing scum had daytalk early one which DoL and Vec both commented on.

Perry said that I was probably scum if I hadn't posted a plan for the caffeine mechanic in the neighborhood.

[Bingle]

Why would I?

What could I possibly gain, as town, from lying about my confirmable role?

The argument you have is that I'm not using my role for towncred, which assumes that THIS IS WHAT I WOULD DO AS TOWN.

[Bingle]

3- You also are trying to solve ONLY using "mechanics", and you yourself told me that's a scum tell of yours. You try mechanical solves as either alignment, but limiting it to mechanics AND trying to suggest -what I see as a bad move- to the best mechanical move is explicitly scum you.

Yes, lack of playing the game can be a scumtell for me if I'm not busy in RL. No, I don't argue suboptimal mechanical play. Ever. If I say I think it's the right move, it's because I think it's the right move, or at least that I think it would be the right move with the information town me has available.

I'm fairly certain I have to say that in literally every game.

[Bingle]

kuribo/pops/FL/? scumteam?

Is that... like too out there?

Are you just picking the least scummy players

No?

Towncase kuribo or pops without using the word claim.

[Bingle]

Eh. It's almost certainly wrong. That was just an off the top of my head guess while I wasn't really caught up.

Pops is probably town on the back of Pelipper interactions, but like fuck if that's not a scummy slot outside of that.

kuri's interactions with gork don't make sense in the context of him scumreading me.

FL would have been necessarily scum with the assumption that they (pops and FL) were lying about the composition of their role PMs. Perry endorsing their version of the PM changed that, though.

[Bingle]

Sane

[Bingle]

i've enjoyed his tone of delivery and i think he's scumhunting

Compelling case. 5 stars.

The potential number of stars:

[Bingle]

Bingle why didn't you more forcefully endorse one approach over the others to caffeine if you're town?

RL. I did endorse what I think is the best option. The worst options are all fairly self explanatory as to why they’re bad. The alternatives are all vaguely equivalent without more knowledge.

[Bingle]

Bingle, I have a question to you. You said that Marquis said something he shouldn't, when he claimed something to clear him, so I assume it's something from your hood. Does it applies to you too? I'd rather not lynch you D1, if I could

There was utility in keeping the fact that anyone who attempted to target us joined us hidden, because I was also keeping the we can’t be shot portion of the hood a secret. I’d rather marquis hadn’t shared that.

As far as marquis’ claim, I think I know what he softed and I want to ask him in our hood tonight because if so the role makes a lot of sense as town.

I also don’t want to lynch me today.

[Bingle]

VOTE: bingle
He seems to be speaking less than town!bingle

:thorface:

The wagon on me might be the worst wagon I’ve ever seen. And I backup modded stellaris.

[Bingle]

kuri's interactions with gork don't make sense in the context of him scumreading me.

I didn't say you're scum, I said you make my teeth itch, ie, I hesitate to hard townread you

My bad then, I thought you were saying you scumread me. On a not entirely unrelated note, I’m sorry if I’ve pissed anyone off this game or otherwise negatively impacted their enjoyment. That was not my intent.

Doesn’t mean I’ll stop pushing what I see as right, but I AM sorry if it hurts your feelings.

[Bingle]

I think we all have a pretty long, and mostly well synced townie brownie list at this point.

Please share. I don’t feel like there’s a lot of obvtown at all.

[Bingle]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

[Bingle]

Yes, the meta stuff and secret alts who pretend they're not secret (I guess new players think themselves famous?) are pretty annoying, but whatever.

[Bingle]

Oh, that’s nsfw. I forget how much they swear.

[Bingle]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

I'm pretty sure you'd be down to lynch half of the playerlist over Pelly

Accurate. I think I’m at around 9 names in my don’t want to lynch them today pile. The 1v1. The people the 1v1 were trying to lynch immediately before the 1v1. The claimed parity cop. Pops, who is spewed town if perry flips scum. Marquis. DOL. Gork. Vecna. Everyone else is shades of would lynch.

And I’m perfectly fine hammering if we get a wagon to l1 or it’s absolutely necessary to stop a no lynch.

[Bingle]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

I’m shooting you if we do this and ofhrz flips town.

Pelican is automatically scum right now and you’ve been doing the most to save him

This is an objectively terrible idea. I’m a reflexive Roleblocker, by more than my own words. I can’t be shot.

[Bingle]

Honestly, I’m probably shooting Bingle no matter what tonight.

Unless you think me, marquis, and Vecna are all lying, I can’t be vigged. It’s an objectively terrible use of a confirmable role.

I don’t think you should telegraph who you’re shooting if we lynch perry, but even if you think I’m scum you shouldn’t shoot me because I can’t be shot and you’ll only succeed in being a caffeine addicted paranoid vanilla owner.

[Bingle]

You made the case on him, and look how Bingle responded.

I’m willing to lynch anyone who isn’t a townread, a gamestate read, or self resolving tonight over people who are.

Shocker.

[Bingle]

He’s self resolving, not a town read. In fact, he’s explicitly a scumread. I just don’t want to lynch self resolving slots, because that’s how you lose games of mafia.

[Bingle]

Discounting claims and associations:

Bingle

DOL
Gork
Vecna

Kuribo
FL
Marquis

Kags
FM
Chandra
Ofrhz
Pine
PP

Croag
Jjd
Pops

Pelipper

[Bingle]

The argument you have is that I'm not using my role for towncred, which assumes that THIS IS WHAT I WOULD DO AS TOWN.

No. The way I see it this is what you would do as SCUM trying to appear Town. Town you does not care to appear town. There's a big difference between what one would do to appear town and what one would if they were actually town. BIG difference.

I'll take roles I've publicly mocked as being terrible for town to ever use, Alex.

Is the answer Gladiator? Nope? Well shit, it was doublevoter.

[Bingle]

Lmaoooooo someone please explain the scum read on me right now

U bantering

Your first instinct on joining us wasn't "Who is likely scum" but "Who is talking about me" and your vote on me was grosser than the shit I threw up this morning.

[Bingle]

DOL

/how/

Early game he had some pretty strong town pushes, called out a bunch of things that made sense and was generally gamesolvey. Since then, he's been unafraid of being the black sheep in the thread, doesn't seem to want to fade into obscurity and doesn't seem to be pushing a scum agenda at all.

[Bingle]

Anyone you want to name and shame? I'm not above looking at specific sections of an 80-page game, I just don't want to spend a day digesting all of this dreck

The wagon on me was pretty notable of all the responses to the Pelipper lynch, tbh, and there was definitely scum in it.

[Bingle]

i think i want this
VOTE: bingle

hoo boy

VOTE: bingle gork idk if this gets anywhere but I'm with it
like with the timing and content of bingle's pop ins I saw the same thing. I don't exactly want to call it whiteknighting bc idk if pelican is town but it's easy scum content to throw up opposition to stuff without trying to lead town in an actual direction.

i think i want this
VOTE: bingle

I can get behind that for now

VOTE: Bingle

VOTE: bingle

For some reason I’m getting scum vibes here

He seems to be speaking less than town!bingle

I know that’s meta but like eh

Also, I genuinely don’t get the thing with perry

I think it’s semantics
Like I can’t remember word for word my role pm and I wouldn’t want someone to hold it against me

This in response to tacit support to lynching me from both pops and FL (the main proponents of the Pelipper lynch) and what I thought (and thus it's reasonable to assume others thought) was kuribo. Vecna has also been scumreading me for most of the game, I think, and since he's the other multivoter, this was probably the best chance of derailing the Pelipper lynch so far.

Gork is town, there's at least one scum in the rest. Possibly more. Especially if Pelipper scum.

[Bingle]

Leaf, what do you think about 1986?

[Bingle]

For real, though, it’s probably the best reason for potential townYou, but if you’re town, Pelican is still just scum who needs to go today.

More that of the people who are doing the things you're saying I'm scum for doing (arguing against the Pelipper lynch), you're TR'ing 3/4 of the most successful push to derail that lynch and largely ignoring the 4th.

[Bingle]

that movie Us

Eh. It was okay. Not a big horror fan, and the premise was pretty :/

[Bingle]

As always, I'm procrastinating on voting until I'm all caught up.

That statue is really irony. Like, 90% Iron by weight.

[Bingle]

Spoiler: Sample Flip
FakeGod, who was Dapper Owl, Company Owner, and aligned with Town, has been lynched in pregame.

OP seems to indicate neighborhood information doesn't flip.

[Bingle]

Bingle/Marquis/Vecna, did you guys get a new resident?

The mod hasn't informed me of any.

The neighborhood was pretty quiet last night. Vec was on vacation.

[Bingle]

I wanna help you if you’re town, but I scum read you hard

Why?

VOTE: pops

For proof that this is 3 votes.

[Bingle]

Oh, I explained my defense of Pelican in the hood. I'm not going into it here, but you can go ahead and ask Vec/Marquis if it makes sense.

[Bingle]

I'm not going into it here

Translates as "It's anti town to discuss here".

[Bingle]

Oh I guess that was hammer

I don't think people should whine about reading role PMs carefully in general role PMs are boring or whatever

If you died as my town ally I'm upset you refused to perform an exercise that would help me discern your alignment, and next time it would help for you to have done it. My perceptions of the discrepancies in how you described the hood was always colored by an apparent avoidance of the topic, which suggested "miller/mafia" distinction was touchy for your slot, and it's scum-indicative for that to be touchy

This is my best bet for scum, btw, followed by JJD.

[Bingle]

Well ok JJD is town that's not a bad read

Nah, it's pretty bad.

[Bingle]

I'm not going into it here

Translates as "It's anti town to discuss here".

[Bingle]

not properly emulating town!Bingle

Is there anything I've ever done that makes you think I'm incapable of being towny as scum?

[Bingle]

Marquis is scum. Or just really bad.

Nah. That list is p solid. pops is scum, Flavor deserves to be town and I don't think Chandra deserves to be in the list, but otherwise it's .

[Bingle]

:shrug:

[Bingle]

Oh, I explained my defense of Pelican in the hood. I'm not going into it here, but you can go ahead and ask Vec/Marquis if it makes sense.

That’s literally the main thing.

It feels and felt way too TMI.

There were reasons. Those reasons are not for mortal men. I’m fairly confident both marquis and Vecna are town, and thus will endorse the reasons as existing. Unless the scumteam is {Bingle/Vecna/Marquis} that should be enough.

[Bingle]

listed too many TRs for them all to be a) "really pinging town"

Really?

[Bingle]

not properly emulating town!Bingle

Is there anything I've ever done that makes you think I'm incapable of being towny as scum?

I haven't seen scum-bingle bus yet in my sample size 1, for starters, and I don't recall you calling out fishmonger obvscum from day 1

I had to click quote like four times before my fat fingers didn’t try to report you, so obvs this post is way out of line.

Yes, I am more than capable of bussing a buddy who is going down. Also, the game in question I totally bussed Dunn slot right into the D5 ic role. I was preparing HH to endgame the whole time off of our corpses. And even then, with a clear plan of “I’m not the endgame wolf” I managed to be town to the point that there were maybe three people with even a hint of a scumread on me. And that was after we came to a point where scum realized they only needed to quickhammer a specific role into our team on D2. Compare that to my play this game.

The only way this is my scumgame is if I think my partners are so set up you’ll never catch them.

[Bingle]

Well, first thing's first: I'm the trillest.

UNVOTE:

This just hit me: WHAT IF the "unkillables" were really not? What if their PT effect does NOT stop a direct kill? I guess that would explain why they seem to TR each other today, under the false assumption that if scum knew that they would have certainly killed one of them.

This is provable, btw.

Vig who shot Fish shoots me tonight. This has the double effect of giving us a bullet proof conftown and proving our BP status.

Also, the conftown can then claim, be conftown and unkillable, and then survive to endgame thus neatly avoiding the issue of deepwolves. They don't even have to claim today. That this also means they get to see exactly why I've been acting the way I have is just gravy

The one way this is manipulable is if the CPR doc is scum and protected a buddy. Which would be fucking hilarious, and make a lot of sense.

[Bingle]

Btw, I still dunno what this refers to exactly. Did we have a recent game in which you were scum and I was killed and it just ended? Are you talking of some kind of a winning streak you had as scum that came to an end?? WHAT?

I read it as her mocking people thinking you're partners, either in an attempt to drag you with her or false spew you town, take your WIFOMy pick.

[Bingle]

So there’s multiple all town neighborhoods?

4 scum. 5 neighborhoods. Either FG's garbage at setup and wants a :lolclears: thing going on or we can't assume cap of 1 scum per neighborhood. And yeah, for reasons that are even more clear with today's claims, I find it incredibly likely my neighborhood is all town.

[Bingle]

JJD's night action plan was 110% scum trying to get into our neighborhood and not get PL'd for it, btw.

[Bingle]

Pine, when you get a chance can you paraphrase what Fish said over night phase?

[Bingle]

so why does he pretend to be convinced by the almighty chennis

?

[Bingle]

So, lynch me today and find out for sure. How about we make this a gladiator-like thing between you and me?? I have no problem if I lose it because I know you will have to be lynched at some point after my flip.

I have 0 problems with lynching you today.

As for your suggestion:

I'll take roles I've publicly mocked as being terrible for town to ever use, Alex.

Is the answer Gladiator? Nope? Well shit, it was doublevoter.

[Bingle]

There are 3+ vigs in the setup via information we have, btw, unless scum CPR doc protected Fish.

If doc hood collectively holstered, town CPR doc didn't act.

[Bingle]

You're starting to sound like Mastina

Thank you for the compliment, teacher.

[Bingle]

And ftr: I will believe the Sun is actually a strong light bulb before I believe the mod decided to make 3 townies unkillable and give them extra voting powers. Thank you very much.

This is setup salt trying to lynch the town players he can't answer.

[Bingle]

Pops/JJD/ 1 of {ofhrz/croag/Kag/Chandra}

EZ game is EZ.

[Bingle]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

Quoting for later

Time to bring this back: Why haven't you pushed ofrhz today? Why did you scum read her yesterday? What has changed?

:thorface:

Reading comprehension is tech.

[Bingle]

Bingle, I have question to you - does your multivote is tied to number of live vigs?

I have a decreasing number of votes. On day 4, my vote is normal.

[Bingle]

From the incredibly obvious scum motivation?

I don’t get the comparison to a game I was barely in with a completely different style where I was asleep during literally every lynch.

Have you tried comparing this to a different game where I was town? You know, one where I actually played the game?

[Bingle]

Bingle/JJD - the towns in you wanna look at their weak ass reasoning for scumFL?

It’s literally just “oh, he’d Do that as either alignment, he’s scum.”

Dude, what are you smoking? I’m pretty sure marquis is the only one who doesn’t think you’re town and that comes across as policy to me anyway.

[Bingle]

I’m like 80% sure I know marquis’ role and that he’ll be conftown soon.

[Bingle]

Marquis is old crowd. I think Chandra is older crowd. I’m not sure where DoL is coming from, tbh.

This is a good old fashioned policy wagon of the LAL variety, and the nostalgia is strong. Still it’s a red herring. It’s not going anywhere and it’s not intended to. If any of them is scum, they want you to be loud and outraged because loud outraged you is ineffective non gamesolving you. If any of them is scum, their buddies will have already told them this wagon is going nowhere fast, which means we need to look at what they’re distracting you from.

In other news, I’ve been pushing jjd and pops because they’re obvscum. I’m fucking solid on it. Like, Dannflor and sheep in that game where Nancy wouldn’t let us lynch sheep solid. Fuck it, maybe you’re right and JJD is Xtox, (he’s not, but we can have that fight after the pops red flip) but at least look at pops. She’s been making a habit of pushing people (like you with perry) into doing her dirty work for her so she can come off smelling like roses. And 2024 was both TMI-y and smug as fuck. Town sold on scum perry doesn’t just turn around and go “btw this mislynch is totally your fault kthxbye” in twilight before the flip.

[Bingle]

Pops isn't.

[Bingle]

Hmmm

I feel like nothing’s happening and there’s no reason for it. There’s plenty of scummy people but there’s a weird pushback to any concerted effort to lynch.

My pseudo vote is p obviously on pops. The four people who aren’t voting and haven’t mad their stances clear should do so. If you’re a single vote wagon get off your ass and push something.

[Bingle]

Skimmed, dropping a few thoughts.

1, a single doc from the doc hood had a 75% chance of successfully stopping the kill. Only one of the sanities can't prevent a nightkill, and CPR doc killing kuribo if he was scum fakeclaiming wasn't an issue in the slightest. I don't particularly think the docs not seeing this is AI, because I don't think any of them are particularly mechanically inclined. Similarly the fact that the docs chose to holster and the obvious nk went through unchecked is actually indicative that there IS a scum in that neighborhood, as the scum would know they didn't have to play around a protection.
2, I originally scumread you pops because your shitty spec didn't match expectations from you, you were content to take a backseat and let FL push Perry after he took up your torch, you've been fairly consistently lurking in the background and egging things on instead of being actively involved where you might draw attention. The TMI of knowing Perry was going to flip town instead of just WIFOM-ing you not matching up with the stated confidence in your deathtunnel is just the icing on the scumpops cake.
3, yes I would lynch JJD. No, I will not vote until I'm the hammer.

[Bingle]

Skimmed, dropping a few thoughts.

1, a single doc from the doc hood had a 75% chance of successfully stopping the kill. Only one of the sanities can't prevent a nightkill, and CPR doc killing kuribo if he was scum fakeclaiming wasn't an issue in the slightest. I don't particularly think the docs not seeing this is AI, because I don't think any of them are particularly mechanically inclined. Similarly the fact that the docs chose to holster and the obvious nk went through unchecked is actually indicative that there IS a scum in that neighborhood, as the scum would know they didn't have to play around a protection.
2, I originally scumread you pops because your shitty spec didn't match expectations from you, you were content to take a backseat and let FL push Perry after he took up your torch, you've been fairly consistently lurking in the background and egging things on instead of being actively involved where you might draw attention. The TMI of knowing Perry was going to flip town instead of just WIFOM-ing you not matching up with the stated confidence in your deathtunnel is just the icing on the scumpops cake.
3, yes I would lynch JJD. No, I will not vote until I'm the hammer.

@Vecna: Can you please confirm your view on this? Are you willing to lynch me today or not?

@Bingle: I am assuming you would, but please confirm this for the record.

[Bingle]

I don't hate that lynch and the wagon company is mostly sexy.

[Bingle]

Also, worth noting - Fish flipped Ninja Watcher. Maybe you have a role, Pine, that cares about Ninjas, or maybe kuribo did, but other than that, we don't seem to have an excess of town watchers or trackers, yeah?

kuribo, who was

Larry Chiropeter

,

Laboratory Technician

, and aligned with

Town

, has been

killed

in

Night 1

.

Fish Monger, who was

Althoff Chiropeter

,

Teenage Troublemaker

, and aligned with

Mafia

, has been

killed

in

Night 1

.

Huh.

Whoever vigged Fish should join us tonight.

I'm not sure if there's anything else to be said before night, but I'll hold off voting JIC.

[Bingle]

Not a good look for Kagami/Croag either, tbh.

Hard veto on lynching out of your neighborhood is really sexy when 2/3 of the remaining scum are in it.

[Bingle]

Has anyone (Bingle) posted about the optimal use of the doc hood actions?

Kinda. Exactly one of you should have targeted kuribo last night, because he was the only viable scumkill and 3/4 of you would have saved his life.

For tonight? I haven't but it's kinda simple.

One of you should be elected to choose whether to act (by the group). That one of you should then decide whether to act or not to act individually without claiming it in the hood. The rest should holster.

That means that if one scum has infiltrated your hood there is a 50% chance of there being no possible town interference with their kill (Naive doc or Scum Doc). If there is no scum infiltration, there is a chance of a protection going through that will make them think twice about targeting an obvious NK choice (Pine/FL) and a chance that there is no additional caffeine. If two scum have infiltrated your hood then the hood is useless, both from a caffeine buffer standpoint and from a power role standpoint.

I'll have thoughts in my PT about clearing your hoodmates mechanically, but they're antitown to share with potential scum in your hood, so...

[Bingle]

I thought you were against someone infiltrating your masonry.

I am against a rando infiltrating our hood. I am 100% for a town-by-having-vigged scum player joining us.

If we get two people who join us, then it's a 1v1.

Also, there's a decent chance that FL is the vig, in which case he joins us and the scum can't kill him tonight. (I checked with FG when this occurred to me, the joining of our neighborhood would apply before the scumkill.)

[Bingle]

I mean... It’s probably Pine would be my guess. Scum can’t kill the vig from yesterday now. Scum can’t kill any of the three of us. Scum can kill Pine, unless the randomly chosen doc who has a choice of whether to act acts and saves him. Scum might be afraid enough of the chance of this happening to shoot elsewhere, which would be great for us.

[Bingle]

I mean... worst case scenario scum listen to me and don’t kill pine. Which is the goal.

Best case scenario scum try to kill pine anyway and it’s blocked.

Making scum double guess themselves and get paranoid over the nk is how you get shitty nightkills in lynchbait. “But what if croag is secretly a lie detector and not killing her will cost is the game?”

And yes, I’m a rolecop, I targeted croag and she’s a lie detector. Shoot croag, scumteam, shoot croag.

[Bingle]

Will do. Gotta meet with the roofer real quick - be back in about 30min.

That took longer than I thought for sad reasons...

Anyway...we're a neighborhood of Cops of unknown sanity (1 Sane Cop, 1 Insane Cop, 1 Paranoid Cop, and 1 Naive Cop). Kagami is a fox, Chandra is a dog, Craog is a dog, and I'm a penguin. Jenny Otter is a hussy.

I call bullshit. No way is PP randomly a penguin. Bastard mod confirmed.

[Bingle]

Disagree sharply

Wherefore?

Since you prolly gonna get chopped up into itty bitty chips and used to keep a cabin warm tonight, your reasoning could be handy. Also I think we’re pretty close to self hammer territory, so maybe hold off on the votes for 24 hours.

[Bingle]

So... kags just scumslipped I think.

[Bingle]

Scumteam is kags pops Chandra.

[Bingle]

Me neither.

As you guys probably should have guessed, we're cops of random sanities.

Three of us acted, and thus became caffeinated. Croag neglected to act because she's too cool to submit investigations.

Unfortunately, absolutely none of our investigations so far will ever be useful. Penguin investigated pops for heaven knows what reason, and I investigated Fish, who was killed. Both of those investigation came back Town, so PP and I are naive / insane.

Ceph claims to have investigated Gork and gotten guilty. We don't know if he's telling the truth and it doesn't matter. Ceph and Croag are paranoid/sane.

[Bingle]

I thought pops is miller hood...

Oh. Right. I'm dumb. Continue continuing.

[Bingle]

dude, noone should join us. not worth pyshing the caffeine clock. were already fine on the lynch vs nk clock

The vig who acted yesterday is by definition already caffeinated.

[Bingle]

@Pops: Did you get the FN message from Marquis?

Don’t answer this, but JJD should definitely be made to explain himself tomorrow.

[Bingle]

@Pops: Did you get the FN message from Marquis?

Don’t answer this, but JJD should definitely be made to explain himself tomorrow.

Why tomorrow?

Because we know today’s lynch and the additional information won’t be lost during a night phase if it matter (aka you’re scum).

It’s almost like I’m not a drooling idiot and there are actually reasons behind the things I post.

[Bingle]

I’m not going to bother responding to the rest of that post because to do so would tell scum more than town and that’s clearly why it should be tabled til tomorrow.

Also, your daily reminder that jjd is scum.

[Bingle]

Maf, do me a favor and shoot me tonight. I promise not to lynch you when you mysteriously pop into the hood. It’ll let you be a cool kid like Cephrir who don’t give a shit who knows you’re mafia!

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Again, we can deal with caffeine tomorrow. Talking about it now gains us NOTHING.

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I understand that it’s frustrating to not be as awesome as me.

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I just typed a hammer post and deleted it. Why do you want a croag post?

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VOTE: chandra

Simply to spite Vecna.

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I wouldn’t have except I figured you would and taking your fun away is the true win condition. Fuck lynching scum, we just gotta ensure Vecna has maximum salt.

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See you in the hood thread.

:zoidberg:

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Marquis is town or will be hard guiltied today. He's a friendly neighbor variant who notifies anyone who joins our hood. We are in fact notified when someone joins the hood. I'm fairly certain there is 1 scum in the cops and one scum in the BP/Doc hoods balance wise. The scum in the cops is probably the sane cop.

Flavor and pops are both town by setup in my eyes.

VOTE: JJD Proving one more day of not voting normally, then unvoting.

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The scum Cop already flopped, Bingle. What are you smoking nowadays? chandra was the Paranoid Cop.

Yes. Town has 3 full cops that can't be silenced by NK because they can post results the night after in a PT that becomes public if everyone in it dies in a game with at least two of the scum outside of the 6 players who can't be targeted by a cop. Also, Town has at least 2 vigs and possibly a third, one shot vig.

The miller hood was likely intended as a vig magnet, meaning they're probably all town. The Sane cop is probably scum, but we don't lynch there until we find the partner.

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So you're implying someone joined your hood last night?

Implying, outright stating, potato. They're all the same to me.

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I really don’t think the cop hood had two scums in it bingle

Because you think it's reasonable that 3 cops could get scum results on 1/5 of the reasonable targets for them on N1? If so, why? And that's assuming that the remaining scumteam is in {FL, pops, Vecna, Marquis}, so it's probably even more likely.

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UNVOTE: