Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[kuribo]

I’m an informed Miller. Hilarious, right

Oh shit I'm a miller forgot to say tghat

Excuse me sirs, may I bring your attention to what the fuck

[kuribo]

I do
Flavor
JJD I think
Kuribo?

I think thats most of the people who would blatantly admit it.

I used to prefer being scum but now I prefer not playing at all

[kuribo]

I'd bet my fucking soul, my left nut, and Pine's soul's left nut that one OR both of the miller claims are full of shit

[kuribo]

I want to know how FL counterclaimed Marquis without calling him out for claiming miller

[kuribo]

alright with all these millers running around I gotta go ask the mod a


uh

completely unrelated question

[kuribo]

I've hydra'd and co-modded with the mod a number of times, and I'm not discounting a multi-miller setup with this flavor.

[kuribo]

i can already tell it's gonna be one of THOSE games.

I'm not much on setup speculation, but this game is almost assuredly balanced around negative utility and dayplay. ie, the caffeine addiction mechanic, the multitude of millers, the counterbalances, it all tells me that FakeGod probably intended to mitigate how much benefit both sides get from night actions. In fact, knowing what I know from my own role, and from what's been claimed / the ruleset, I'd say this setup actively PUNISHES town for relying on nightplay.

[kuribo]

Day-one Pine wagon is such a 2012 thing

[kuribo]

its retro and back in now

true, I mean, Stranger Things is basically a 1980s circlejerk

[kuribo]

I'm good on calling Bingle town right now

I've never met Vecna but I like his style

I have some thoughts about the Miller neighborhood, but like... okay: Are you guys specifically millers? Or do you all have the miller modifier? See, the latter is important because if you have, say, X number of people in a neighborhood who have a miller modifier, the mod would simply say "Everyone in this neighborhood investigates guilty." Which would include people who are not millers and are simply mafia. If this is the case, and all of the millers were informed of that fact, it makes outting the millerhood way less useful in finding which ones are town. I guess I can elaborate if need be, but please don't fucking make me. I just woke up.

All jokes about 2012 aside, Pine's not gonna do shit unless we poke him.

I don't know who or what an RCE is but okay

[kuribo]

so what youre saying is
we should poke him?

Now you're thinking with portals

Vote:Pine

[kuribo]

Good morning. This question kind of answers itself. If mafia is in one of these neighborhoods they know it doesn't explicitly consist of millers since...well, they can't be a miller.

So, we just wait for the mafia to say they're mafia in the thread? "Well, I know they can't all be millers because I'm scum."

I wasn't specifically asking the mafia, dude.

Like what are you even saying in this post?

[kuribo]

There's a huge difference between "Everyone in this neighborhood will investigate as mafia" and "Everyone in this neighborhood is a miller."


There are other kinds of cop besides mafia / not mafia, especially in FakeGod games.

[kuribo]

Mafia don't need to be millers because they already investigate as guilty.

[kuribo]

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

[kuribo]

I'm not explicitly saying kuribo will do this but I don't know that he won't right?

Have we ever met?


If not please go read up on me and understand the last damn thing anyone ever had to worry about in any game regardless of my alignment, whether real or imagined, is that I would ever ever fly under the radar and coast.


Hell I couldn't even fly under the fucking radar if I wanted to.

[kuribo]

Maybe I'm the stupid one because I cant even understand half the words that are being used in this thread

90% of it is setup spec and meta fuckery among people who have played with one another

[kuribo]

I asked about the modifier thing because I have a town role with a modifier (not miller) that is also shared by two other people in the neighborhood (Pine and Fish)

So you see there is a world of difference between "i am an informed miller who knows how many millers are in this game" and "I share a neighborhood with other people who are also modified millers."

And do you understand how annoyed I am that I had to spell that out? When you could have answered a simple question?

[kuribo]

Pine and Fish)

Do you mind?

nope I don't mind at all


HEY EVERYBODY THIS GUY HAS A NINJA MODIFIER

[kuribo]

I knew I hated mafia

Same just do what I do and turn that self loathing into bloodlust so you can bathe in the viscera of your enemies

[kuribo]

I wanted to talk more about caffeine because I think we all make good choices to just stay home.

I am absolutely 100% acting tonight and I will immediately become a caffeine addict just like in real life and no one can talk me out of it

[kuribo]

I wanted to talk more about caffeine because I think we all make good choices to just stay home.

Also have you seen this town

You really think we can win on DAYPLAY


please, we all stay home and we get scumrolled

[kuribo]

I was making a joke about the aimlessness of this town Jesus Christ you guys

[kuribo]

Use imgbb for mobile posting like the rest of us cool people

[kuribo]

I'd bet my fucking soul, my left nut, and Pine's soul's left nut that one OR both of the miller claims are full of shit

What about now tho? We have how many miller claims? Its a whole neighborhood

Okay let me walk you through the concept of SEQUENTIAL EVENTS

Sometimes, because time, at least as we experience it in our current dimension is basically a straight line. Now there's some gobbledegook about infinite dimensions and alternate timelines but what's important here is OUR timeline.

Now, when two players counterclaim Miller (that means they're saying don't investigate me I'll investigate as scum, you see. You may know this but I'm just making sure), one can assume that at least one is lying.

I think it goes without saying, unless you're a complete idiot, which I am not, that having FOUR millers claim not only to be millers, but to HAVE A MILLER MODIFIED WHEN YOU YOURSELF KNOW YOUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A MODIFIER is an entirely different thing from two people counterclaiming one another.

And this is where our previous subject, sequential time, comes in.

The post I made, that you quoted was BEFORE the miller-modified neighborhood was outed. Because time is a straight line, the me who made that comment cannot POSSIBLY know the things which are yet to come. And so that's also why LATER ME wanted to clarify if we have a ton of millers OR A BUNCH OF MILLER MODIFIED NEIGHBORS. These two things are nothing alike.

TDLR why the hell did you just ask me the stupidest thing anyone has ever asked me in my twelve years here?

[kuribo]

Dont be surprised if I hammer shit out of the blue.

[kuribo]

Anyways, im just giving you guys the warning im a finnicky guy when I get some modicum of power. I guess its true what they say, those with meager power are more likely to abuse it.

Dont be surprised if I hammer shit out of the blue. Be on your toes, its possible I just suddenly feel like it and decide its good for me to appear a bunch of scummy. Or if I get too cocky and think I might just be a hero. Or just get plain bored.

Hammers at L3? Its a possibility at any time with me around.

woooo, spooky.

Commence the scumreads.

I like your style

[kuribo]

TDLR why the hell did you just ask me the stupidest thing anyone has ever asked me in my twelve years here?

A long ass way of saying "I no longer hold this belief I never really should have in the first place."

Oh I'm sorry next time I won't assume that counterclaiming millers are likely one scum among them


That's sarcasm do I need to explain that concept as well

[kuribo]

I do not want to get into some pedantic squabble about this when I don't think it's AI.

I mean, you might be assuming people don't know what basic concepts of logic are, but are you also assuming that Flavor/Marquis don't know?

No I do wanna get into a pedantic squabble it's kinda my thing


Why the fuck are you asking me questions about things I said ten pages ago when my posts since the. Have obviously cleared them up?

Do I need to explain linear time to you again?

[kuribo]

What happened to 'I want to change my behavior 'Kuribo?

Don't go trying to act like I'm being mean to you just because I'm questioning why you're doing something in the least logical way possible.

If you know I'm working on that then you know damn well this isn't even a 1 on the mean scale.


Besides I'm trying this thing where when people annoy me, instead of calling them names I just get condescending with them.

Condescending is a big word that means talking down to people.

[kuribo]

No, like lemme back this up.


I haven't said a single mean or insulting thing to you AT ALL

so I want you to apologize for trying to frame it like I have because that's some bullshit

[kuribo]

I asked a question. I will not be intimidated for getting a headcheck on you.

You asked a question that had been answered by my posts following

I do not like reiterating things I've already said to people, and most people don't like doing so either.

Clearly you can understand why I'd think you had comprehension issues regarding the order of events. If you still have a problem with it I can explain again.

[kuribo]

There's a huge difference between "Everyone in this neighborhood will investigate as mafia" and "Everyone in this neighborhood is a miller."


There are other kinds of cop besides mafia / not mafia, especially in FakeGod games.

The vast majority of your content is krumpin' over setup details. Things like 'can scum be a miller', 'the non-linearity of space-time, or lack of', and 'If a tree fall in the forest, do you keep the branches after you strip them'.

Oh shit I'm sorry your highness lemme just go into the wealth of day one information we had to go on bythat point


Or let me expound upon the useless meta of a dozen plus people I've never heard of in my life how bout that


Oooooh wait maybe I can do a catch up post where I ask people meaningless housekeeping questions while trying to pretend they're being mean when it's pointed out how useless that is.

Oh wait you've got that last one covered already damn.

[kuribo]

There's a huge difference between "Everyone in this neighborhood will investigate as mafia" and "Everyone in this neighborhood is a miller."


There are other kinds of cop besides mafia / not mafia, especially in FakeGod games.

The vast majority of your content is krumpin' over setup details. Things like 'can scum be a miller', 'the non-linearity of space-time, or lack of', and 'If a tree fall in the forest, do you keep the branches after you strip them'.

And you know what I never once Fucking asked if scum can be a miller WHAT I FUCKING ASKED IS IF THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD INVESTIGATE AS SCUM OR IF MILLER IS A ROLE NAME

so stop trying to god damn twist shit around

[kuribo]

I fucking hate disingenuous bullshit


Oh he's being mean


Oh he asked if scum can be millers


Oh he said on page four that one of the millers must be scum before more information comes out


Either you done fell on your damn head or you're intentionally twisting my words to come at me so WHICH IS IT and either answer is acceptable

[kuribo]

Ignore this, you lying dumbass

Vote: Fish Monger

[kuribo]

I fucking hate disingenuous bullshit


Oh he's being mean


Oh he asked if scum can be millers


Oh he said on page four that one of the millers must be scum before more information comes out


Either you done fell on your damn head or you're intentionally twisting my words to come at me so WHICH IS IT and either answer is acceptable

AANNNND IGNORE

All I said in my last post referencing you is that you are lacking reads and real content. Actually thats wrong; that was all implied by the point of 'youre only arguing about setup spec and non sequiturs.'

I think its, taken without meta, scummy. Ive already asked people their opinion of your play from that meta perspective. I do not wish to engage.

If you don't wish to engage, you shoulda fucking thought about that before you baselessly accused me of being mean (I caught scum-Carl Tuckerson the last game I was in because he did the same shit), you misrepresented a number of my posts, as I've pointed out, and then when you summon me from hell, you're like oh no I'm backing off.

[kuribo]

change

This shows a very obvious familiarity with my playstyle, I damn sure wasn't being mean to you or anyone else at that point

[kuribo]

you baselessly accused me of being mean

I am beginning to get flustered with your shit kid. do you have citations.

Then step up to the fuckin plate


I ain't been mislynched since 2012, come take a shot at the champ, but make sure you make it a good one

[kuribo]

But you sure as shit got lynched in the game where we were scum together and you vowed to change you nasty ways

Then you already know that my post here was tame, and that even this is tame.


Yeah my vote ain't moving, you're scum trying to provoke me into ragequitting

[kuribo]

you're scum trying to provoke me into ragequitting

Youre scum trying to hide in your self-proclaimed and stall ass meta

No bitch I'm a parity cop why the fuck do you think I had such an interest in the millers you dense fuck

[kuribo]

Parity cop checks two people and sees if they have the same alignment, what the fuck did you think I meant when I said I had to ask the mod a question with all the miller claims

[kuribo]

3 I will beat my head into the wall until you die if I must, but I would rather wait until there's more of a case on you.

You'll just have to night kill me you scum fuck

[kuribo]

1 IDK what that is

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Parity_Cop

This is a bad exchange and you should both stop.

Usually I'd tell you to stay outta grown folks business but you're probably right

[kuribo]

Look guy, I take umbrage to you attacking me like some rabid dog because I asked you about your GD opinions. I have to get a bead on you somehow, and interacting is the best way to do it. I feel like you kept pushing me until I SRed you. Did you want me to develop ill will towards you?

I don't give a fuck if you ask questions


I give a Fuck if you ask meaningless questions and then misrepresent me


That's a huge fuckin difference

[kuribo]

Have you tried the magic of reading the things you write

[kuribo]

"I thought you were changing your ways," when I did absolutely nothing to you. MISREPRESENTATION.

"You're trying to intimidate me just for asking questions" MISREPRESENTATION

"You lack reads" MISREPRESENTATION when I have called several people town and tried to push Pine toward participating.

"He asked if scum can be millers" MISREPRESENTATION when I needed to know how millers would investigate so I could compare another player to someone I know I'd get a guilty on

[kuribo]

you're scum trying to provoke me into ragequitting

Youre scum trying to hide in your self-proclaimed and stall ass meta

No bitch I'm a parity cop why the fuck do you think I had such an interest in the millers you dense fuck

If you think fishmonger is scum baiting you why would you let him win by claiming a good role for no reason

C'mon dude you're better than that

I used to be better than that but I haven't played much in years and I'm rusty

[kuribo]

Nah you're right I was never better than that


Sometimes I just get pissy and blurt my role out

[kuribo]

Listen we all have flaws and mine is that I let idiots bait me into getting banned or making bad plays

[kuribo]

Oooo maybe if I get NK'd N1 often enough people will stop intentionally pushing my buttons

[kuribo]

Wait hold the fuck up

If Monger has been scum with me before why'd he ask about my scum meta

[kuribo]

I replaced out immediately.

No, you said I got lynched


I didn't get lynched in that game, I replaced out

[kuribo]

sure as shit

[kuribo]

But you sure as shit got lynched in the game where we were scum together and you vowed to change you nasty ways

I fucked th quite tag, so what game were you in that I got lynched as scum?

[kuribo]

Kuribo should be able to accomplish similar results to same cop by targeting one of the people in the Miller neighborhood at random and also targeting someone outside of that hood.

That was exactly the plan. I had to ask the mod if millers would show up as same alignment to scum for a parity cop and FG said they would.

[kuribo]

you vowed to change you nasty ways

And you know what while I'm at it, I'm still trying


Every addict relapses, I've spent twelve years screaming at idiots on this site, habits are hard to break

[kuribo]

I have just decided fish monger is offlimits.

Lucky for me the Murdercock does not bow to you

Especially now that I know fish monger is pisskop

Again why the fuck was he asking for meta on me when we've played together a number of times?

[kuribo]

Nope no parity cop neighborhood


The neighborhood is literally named after my flavor character tho so there's that

[kuribo]

wait fishmonger is pisskop?

That's really bad, pisskop has a pretty townie baseline

why are people townreading that slot?

Go into Fish's iso. When we were dickfighting, he told me he had been scum with me in a recent game. I've only had like two recent games in the last year and only one as scum.

He linked Pastries and said he had replaced out as my partner.

Pisskop was my partner in that game and replaced out.

[kuribo]

So AGAIN, if fish monger wasn't just trying to do meaningless townie looking questioning at me, why did he ask about my scum meta when he himself has been scum with me, AND seen me as town in other games?

[kuribo]

Read my fucking wiki you idiot

[kuribo]

I don't fake rage, so if you're going to try to bait me into a ban you can fuck right off

[kuribo]

Maybe im being an asshat to trigger him to see if this is an act, or he really is very triggerhappy at anyone?

Carl Tuckerson tried that as scum and I blew his fucking brains out with a big shot


It's always scum trying to "trigger" someone into derailing the thread into dick measuring

[kuribo]

Carl Tuckerson tried that as scum and I blew his fucking brains out with a big shot

*vig shot

[kuribo]

Read my fucking wiki you idiot

Well, that came a bit late. Also, what type of deluded person thinks a wiki describing their mafia exploits are interesting reading?

It literally says THE RAGE IS NEVER FAKE and it pisses me the fuck off to have that conversation OVER AND OVER in the course of TWELVE FUCKING YEARS

you cum gargling gutter whore, baiting people should be a reportable offense

[kuribo]

Maybe im being an asshat to trigger him to see if this is an act, or he really is very triggerhappy at anyone?

Carl Tuckerson tried that as scum and I blew his fucking brains out with a big shot


It's always scum trying to "trigger" someone into derailing the thread into dick measuring

This is such a load of horseshit.

And you were plenty fine doing it on your own, with very little reason.

Anyways, im talking to Chandra now, you can sit back down. Your turn is over.

Fuck you

[kuribo]

Dickheads like you and pisskop are the reason I quit playing mafia on this bullshit site to begin with


Cocksuckers always wanna piss me off like ohhh look let's get Kuribo mad again oooo maybe he'll get banned again well fuck you and fuck pisskop too

[kuribo]

Don't you godless cunts fucking understand


How god damn TIRING


and how FUCKING STRESSFUL it is to try and play a fucking game on this site where EVERY FUCKING TIME YOU PLAY SOME GARBAGE EATING JIZZTRAP HAS TO FUCKING PISS YOU OFF JUST FOR FUN

EVERY FUCKING GAME


FOR TWELVE FUCKING YEARS


AND YOU WONDER WHY I TELL PEOPLE NOT TO FUCKIBG START WITH ME FOR NO FUCKING REASON

[kuribo]

Funny how much it is like real life huh? If youre making a running joke of yourself, people might have a laught at your expense. Deal with it. Cause and consequence, no need to cry about it.

1v1 me bitch

[kuribo]

Pussy

[kuribo]

You try and talk some good shit but don't wanna put a lynch where your whore mouth is


You coward


You scumfuck


Imma lynch your buddy pisskop


Then you best NK me cause I'm copping you to a miller tonight

Imma make you watch that fuck die then imma rope you next to him

[kuribo]

Come on "buddy" you wanted to see me get mad right


You wanted the storm


Find your shelter


One two
Kuri comin for you
Three four
Better lock your door

[kuribo]

Then maybe you shouldn't have outted your alt

You don't get to claim meta experience without others doing the same

[kuribo]

Im never an easy lynch, so can I ask you to kindly vote for pops or flavor?

I've lynched way better scum than you.

[kuribo]

I'll phrase it differently:

the purpose of the alt is to play in a much more deliberate fashion

Then maybe you could finally answer my question: why did you ask about my meta when you, the person behind the alt, are already well aware of my meta? If you were just asking meaningless questions it's okay to admit it.

I won't hurt you.

I just wanna tie this rope real tight round your neck and send you to the dead PT

[kuribo]

why did you ask about my meta when you

Really?

Look guy, I take umbrage to you attacking me like some rabid dog because I asked you about your GD opinions. I have to get a bead on you somehow, and interacting is the best way to do it. I feel like you kept pushing me until I SRed you. Did you want me to develop ill will towards you?

I mean, you didn't know I knew. It's an excellent chance to ask.

So you only asked so you could look like you were being inquisitive. 10-4 on that.

[kuribo]

Dickheads like you and pisskop are the reason I quit playing mafia on this bullshit site to begin with


Cocksuckers always wanna piss me off like ohhh look let's get Kuribo mad again oooo maybe he'll get banned again well fuck you and fuck pisskop too

As an avid sucker of cocks, I resent being associated with such behaviors

Metaphorical cocksuckers

[kuribo]

Kuribo is just mad because nobody is listening to him.

No. I'm pissed because I only ask for three god damn things on this site:

Don't accuse me of abusive behavior when I'm not exhibiting it, because if that's what you wanna see we can go down that road.

Don't bait me into getting pissed off and then cry about it when it happens.

Don't call my being pissed off fake because I don't fucking need to fake the rage. Lemme tell you a lil story. I used to be in an abusive marriage. It's true, I was depressed and suicidal, you can even go back to old PTs and games and see me discuss this. See, when I was with my ex-wife, she did everything she could to belittle or insult me, so you know what I did? I came here, and I treated people like garbage. This went on for years. My therapist told me my behavior here was some measure of regaining control and self worth for my shitty home life. Then I got divorced and wound up dating a girl for a few years who faked pregnancies, or do little shit to keep me jealous, even faked her dad's death. Throughout all that depression and suicidal misery, I was pretty pissed off at the world. Then around the time I stopped playing, I started getting healthier mentally. I started traveling, sleeping on the beach, I'm in a healthy relationship and so on. It isn't that the site was making me ill, but more that I had no need to scream at anyone anymore. Only problem is I don't know how to fucking play mafia without pouring the hate into the thread. That and plus I've been going through some shit the past month or so but it ain't nothing some time at the beach won't cure

[kuribo]

Also, its very interesting to me that Kuribo in his raging state thinks he'll be around tomorrow to frame/report on any type of investigation. With his claim and all.

I specifically said I expect to be NK'd tonight

[kuribo]

Imma lynch your buddy pisskop


Then you best NK me cause I'm copping you to a miller tonight

Imma make you watch that fuck die then imma rope you next to him

I don't understand how you can play this game as a functionally illiterate person

[kuribo]

Kuribo, did your neighbours knew about your role? I'm wondering, if mafia knew your role and that's why we got so many miller claims

They know that we all have the ninja modifier (it's stated in the mod's opening post)but the neighborhood doesn't allow posting in it during the day

My role PM also states that if I post more than once in the The Batcave in a night, my night action will fail, but this is not in the mod's OP either. Which barely affects me anyway, Pine's doing his lurk thing and Fishmonger is scum so i don't have a whole hell of a lot to say to either of them.

I AM assuming at least one of them must be scum because if there's a town tracker, a ninja modifier is a nice thing to have.

[kuribo]

Eh. Stop focusing on the parity cop claim imo. It's pretty meaningless to catching scum D1.

Its also a perfect fakeclaim in a setup like this -if- scum is 100% able to predict how the results should come up.

Which they would, if they have infiltrated the hoods. Unless im missing something.

Because everyone fakeclaims under zero pressure on day one.


Especially a role that will get NK'd immediately

You shoulda not bothered defending fishmonger, I devour scum that comes after me.

[kuribo]

No I scumread fish.

You could help me lynch his scummy ass in that case instead of redirecting the wagon onto Marquis

[kuribo]

FakeGod included that word to make sure the modkill condition was superfluous when he PMed this role to FlavorLeaf, since the listmod won't actually allow modkills like this one anymore.

modkills ARE allowed as part of a game mechanic, for example in Uncouth Mafia

[kuribo]

How the fuck do you have a miller that's a reflexive roleblocking vanillaizer

A roleblocking vanillaizer makes a miller modifier moot since no one can get an investigation result on them anyway

[kuribo]

My guess is there’s some way for scum to redistribute roles at some point, which likely means if we all rush to enforce the best roles use their power idea, scum can then put the best roles in the hands of people who aren’t yet addicted.

That sort of mechanic sounds explicitly bastard to me.

[kuribo]

2. We set forth an arbitrary guideline, such as everyone in portion {set} of the player list can act. Anyone outside that set does not, on pain of being lynched. This is double edged, as it takes away the caffeine if sufficiently large but also has the side effect of wrecking synergy. I lean this option, personally.

Good luck enforcing that with this player list.

4. We play this mountainous. If we want to do this, go ahead and lynch me now because I will be bored and useless the entire time.

Town has an abysmal win rate in mountainous. In fact, the mod of this very game himself mentioned that to me when I was running a setup by him a few days ago. Playing a likely role-madness game as mountainous would be dumb.

6. We claim acting/non acting before N1 and juggle until we hit a desired proportion (probably 9/8). This leads to a fairly early massclaim.

I am absolutely acting tonight and fully expect to die anyway.

[kuribo]

As far as roleswapping being bastard, I can’t see how it would be. Vanillaizer is very similar in function, and clearly not outside of the realm of possibility for this game. The only other thing that makes my role make sense to me is day actions, which neatly sidesteps our neighborhood AND caffeine.

There's a difference between "You're now vanilla" and "You were a doctor but now you're a cop," or similar

[kuribo]

It potentially costs multiple caffeinations.

I'll save the trouble and explicitly request no protection.

[kuribo]

If you two are just scum together probably ought to NK me that would seem optimal

Oh no you fucking don't, I've earned my death outta this hellgame

[kuribo]

The fuck are you on about

You're echoing about 90% of my thought process for this game


Back in my day there was way less shitposting and meta tells

[kuribo]

Every damn time...

I'm a vig, and now I'm shooting N1. Probably between pops and FL. I wanted to pop like Marquis or Pine tonight but yeah.

Cool, let's end the day and get this over with.

Shoot me daddy

[kuribo]

Idc which one of y'all is vig as long as I get shot

[kuribo]

That actually is a compelling breadcrumb tbh

[kuribo]

If you see someone breadcrumbing your role, you don't let that slide so easily

Where's the suspicion, even a hint of "I'm a vig and oh shit FL is sorting vig?"

[kuribo]

Great fakeclaim when there are vanillaizing roleblockers and you can use the scum kill as cover


There are plenty of mechanics in this game where a missing kill wouldn't give any of us pause

[kuribo]

No, I'm saying he could no-kill gambit and say oh shit I was testing their claim


It doesn't need to work out long term, especially if he was trying to draw the real vig out to begin with

[kuribo]

Well I'm trying to lynch scum over here but y'all have derailed my shit twice now

God I'm actually gonna have to iso PErry aren't I

Can't I just yell at things until they die

[kuribo]

I'm not lying?...

Unless you're another counterclaim I think he meant the throaty bird not the tuxedo bird

[kuribo]

Well I'm trying to lynch scum over here but y'all have derailed my shit twice now

Who are you trying to lynch?

Fucking pissmonger

Who pretended not to have any experience with me

Who misrepresented statement after statement

Who intentionally provoked me into getting pissed off, even by his own words

Who has done fuck all since y'all let the storm die down

[kuribo]

Also, I’m absolutely not with a Fishmonger lynch. Just because he annoyed you doesn’t make him scum.

In fact, it actually leans town if he “acted” to not know Kuribo, as there is zero reasoning for ScumPisskop to do that.

Okay, AGAIN

it's not that he annoyed me

I literally laid out why he's scum

[kuribo]

I will Vig fishmonger if you lynch Pelican.

vig me instead and you got a deal

[kuribo]

FL, you never addressed this:

I don’t believe I’ve been defending you. I’ve been thinking of passing on my Day 3 IC to you to see if you were really town or not.

Because essentially, that’s gonna be my role this game. I get to confirm one of the 3 of us as town, and if i pick someone who’s mafia, then they just don’t get confirmed.

I’m more than likely just gonna abuse it and get myself Towned. Just saying

This stopped being a vig claim and became a gunsmith claim. Possibly a loyal (X) role claim. Which made me think great, I can confirm myself with a vig shot, FL can do whatever it is he does to confirm or catch pops.

If I go through your iso I'm not gonna find you softing a bunch of shit am i

[kuribo]

okay i've been wondering this for fifty pages now

who or what the fuck is RCE

[kuribo]

and no, I didn't take the Day 3 IC thing seriously as I suspect no one did

my point is, he seems to be accusing you of softing GUNSMITH or loyal SOMETHING in your post 1195

[kuribo]

okay i've been wondering this for fifty pages now

who or what the fuck is RCE

Oy mate.

what do you want from me i dont play league of legends or whatever

[kuribo]

Pelican’s an alt of RCEnigma

ohhhhh







whos that

[kuribo]

We played purge together. I was on Tet I think.

Oh all I remember is DGB going on vacation, Carl intentionally pissing me off, then backing off* and then being surprised when I pointed out I always intended to shoot him and that I only calmed down because I knew I could sort him at night and die N1 too**


*see also: this game: Monger, Piss

**see also: this game: Monger, Piss

[kuribo]

stop scumplaining and just step into the noose already

[kuribo]

Except neither one of us will be shooting the other, so I have all game to comment upon your willful bile

and you don't get to bitch about my attitude when you literally said you wanted to poke me

[kuribo]

Kuribo could you please maybe make a small list of people, listed one time in the same exact font on separate lines, of people you would lynch right now.


I am typically willing to lynch anyone who is nullread or worse.

Thats anyone with content without a positive read.

Here's my list:

Fish Monger
pisskop
Piss Monger
Fish Kop
pokssip in reverse
Fish Monger
Fish Monger
Fish Monger
Fish Monger

[kuribo]

. Kuribo whatever excuse you have for persisting on like this its giving me a reason to not sit down and play this.

I'm persisting because you're caught scum.

If anything you and Vecna being all LETS PISS KURIBO OFF FOR FUN gives me all the more reason to say fuck you and fuck this game too.

Like you know I've struggled with keeping my rage in check, so for you to intentionally poke me, either means you're scum doing it for an end, or you're a garbage human being on a personal level.

And I don't believe you're a garbage human, I believe you fully fucking intended on getting me to either replace out or get banned or whatever your end was.\

I expect no better behavior from scum fucks, but if this game ends and you're somehow town, holy fuck dude, fuck you.

[kuribo]

And I mean that on a sincerely fucking personal level dude

[kuribo]

I understand why it’s difficult to see, but try to stay with me. I’ll do the best I can to explain as Pops also has.

We are part of the abandoned warehouse neighborhood. We are informed here that everyone in the neighborhood investigates as mafia.

We also have an ability section, as everyone does, where for me, it lets me know I am a Vigilante. Also, I am told here, based on role, that I will come off as mafia to all investigations. This makes it twice that it shows up on my role pm.

Pops had the same thing.

Pelican talked about, and I’m paraphrasing, i don’t know word for word, but I’ll go back and quote, that he only has the “informed the entire neighborhood investigates as mafia” part. That is because, as mafia, he wouldn’t be told that he comes off as mafia to investigations because he IS mafia. It’s not part of his role, it’s his alignment. His role doesn’t cause him to be investigated as mafia. Pops and my role does because we are town, and ne’s Scum.

So to make this as clear as humanly possible, your PT does NOT state that everyone in the PT will investigate as mafia?

[kuribo]

I wake up in the morning and I put on my pants. I check my calander and it says 'piss off kuribo'. but it says that every day.

I thought, boy, how can I piss upon the Sun today? And I realized that since Kuribo is the center of my universe all I had to do was

I said I was done. Im not engaging. I dont hate you or anything bro. I am saddened that you have chosen to only focus upon this interaction in this game.

Yes, because I've had absolutely nothing to say about anything else in the last five pages, least of all about the vigs

[kuribo]

I wake up in the morning and I put on my pants. I check my calander and it says 'piss off kuribo'. but it says that every day.

I thought, boy, how can I piss upon the Sun today? And I realized that since Kuribo is the center of my universe all I had to do was

I said I was done. Im not engaging. I dont hate you or anything bro. I am saddened that you have chosen to only focus upon this interaction in this game.

Yes, because I've had absolutely nothing to say about anything else in the last five pages, least of all about the vigs

i dont think i rolled my eyes hard enough


hold on

[kuribo]

My thing is this.

I don't completely understand the Pelican "slip." Maybe my eyes have just glazed over in the last 58 pages, but that's where I am.

I also don't understand half the tells and half the in-jokes in this game.

I don't understand current setup meta, and so my brain just glazes over the speculations.

I don't even understand what the hell "pocketing" is.

I do understand counterclaims and softing.

I'm inclined to believe FL over Perry. Even if Perry is town (and I'm not leaning that way), I do believe Flavor Leaf is probably town and earnestly believes this case. And I do believe pops possibly believes it as town as well. I don't see FL + pops tag teaming Perry as scum buddies. I don't. It's too much risk and too little reward. I could see pops as scum helping FL tunnel on a town Perry, but I don't believe that's the case here. And if the scum is pops + Perry, pops doesn't need to bus Perry right now. But... pops isn't even voting Perry.

So pops, how much do you believe in Perry being scum?

[kuribo]

in case day ends while im asleep

my personal town bloc: flavor, chandra, vecna, ...pops maybe?
town enough for me to not wanna lynch for now?: jjd, fish, day one

could be a pelican partner but otherwise good enough of a player to wanna keep them around: gork

keeping an eye on bc i think they could be scum but all my scum feelings are kind of mellow rn: pine, bingle, croag slot bc it feels like a newbie scum lurk


gotta think about motivations: penguin

please don't tell me you're scum who left me out because you're NKing me

[kuribo]

goddddd that's such a weak explanation from pops


once you start cherrypicking which scum you kill without knowing which roles are which anyway, you're being pointless


you can only lynch one at a time anyway, bearing rolecop stuff, lynching scum would be all you can do

[kuribo]

^^^ is at kuribo about the pelican scum thing.

yeah i figured, pops' explanation that "oh i'm holding out for a more powerful scum" is weaksauce

[kuribo]

To be fair, i think FG transcends current site meta, as do a lot of our current large theme mods.

I've literally modded two games that FG designed and he's 1/3 of the Serene2 hydra with me and DGB

The guy is fucking brilliant with modding and good at mafia

so you do have a point

[kuribo]

That I investigate as mafia but it's not clear cut if it's because of the neighborhood or the neighborhood all investigates as mafia because of their roles.

Our clear cut is that we definitely do investigate as mafia because of our roles. It is our role. I understand exactly how it happened, and Pelican’s probably over it by this point, because it really is caught out on a technicality.

Still doesn't answer if this is because of the neighborhood. I don't know if I'm just not getting my point across or I'm just lost since no one else is curious about this.

That’s why it’s a slip.

We both know it’s our role that causes it, not the neighborhood granting a shroud of power turning us into that. It’s in our ability.

If i didn’t get vanilla’d and i was force switched into another neighborhood, I’d still be a vig who investigates as mafia.

It's not a slip. Someone could have just said no the hoods don't work that way. I'm trying not to be a drain and just give up but I'm kind of over defending why it's not. If I'm not lynched today I'm vigging you regardless.

Okay, so if you didn't slip, lemme ask you this:

If you think FL is lying, and FL is your direct counter-claim, and you plan on shooting Flavor Leaf or Pops...

why are you voting Kagami?

You haven't even bothered moving your vote to reflect what you seem to feel is possibly scum attacking you.

Or you think FL is town? And you're gonna shoot there N1 regardless?

Sooooo not buying it.

Vote: PerryPelican

[kuribo]

See, of all the things I don't understand, I understand murder.

And I understand you sure as shit don't keep waving your gun around about how you're vigging someone without even bothering to vote them.

[kuribo]

Assuming RCE is lying about the vig he does. But I mean who also bulletins their vig target anyway?

I do. It's more fun that way.

[kuribo]

Assuming RCE is lying about the vig he does. But I mean who also bulletins their vig target anyway?

I still die if he’s scum, though. That’s the thing.

I'll never forgive you if scum kill you instead of me.

[kuribo]

yeah, now that I'm not buying at all

[kuribo]

Im under the impression that the vig claim from you is false as well, simply because there would be no reason to claim it, even if true.

Two slots I felt were town until they dug in to this scumslip thing banded together on it idk frustration maybe. Like idk how many times I could hint to pops that I'm going to shoot her in the face if she keeps pressing false narratives before she got it so I went blunt.

So they're both scum, tag teaming you on day 1?

[kuribo]

If pops believes what she's pushing, how is she pushing a "false narrative" as you put it?

A false narrative implies deception with intent.

[kuribo]

I was about to say that seems like an odd analogy

[kuribo]

hurray, im no longer on the deathlist

Loathe tho I may be to admit it, you dropped what I consider to be a fairly warm universal town tell

One that I can't reveal lest it be used to get over on me one day, but one that has been solid in my past experience

[kuribo]

idk if im just being tired, but is townPeli doing a dumb and not checking their rolePM not a possibility?

Here's my thing, even if you don't buy or understand the scumslip, look at Perry's reaction to the vig claim. Look at him saying he'll shoot ejther his direct counterclaim (FL) or pops, and look at him not voting either of them.

Since when do you not vote your counterclaim because "I can just shoot tonight?"

[kuribo]

Because if somehow I survive another day in this game I sure as hell don't feel like dealing with TEEE HEE MUSTA GOT ROLEBLOCKED"

Hell, if they have a roleblocker, Perry could just use the scum NK to off FL and offer himself up as caught scum tomorrow. Scum for a vig isn't a bad deal.

"I don't need to vote my counterclaim, I can just shoot them," said no town vig in a closed setup ever.

[kuribo]

What about the exchange rate for left nuts?

[kuribo]

in case I haven't siteflaked by endgame I'll call scumteam pelican, bingle, then either of pine/kuribo

then I'll quote this if I'm right in endgame and tell yall to suck it

You wound me marquis, just for you I'll cop Pine to Fish Monger tonight

[kuribo]

oh I forgot I wanted to say re: kuribo, he's a player I don't particularly want to lynch because I think he generally has good townplay utility, but do want to see an actual vig call his bluff and shoot him lol

basically I don't want to read him because he puts on the angry voice as scum too and I'm susceptible to being misled by emotion

Calling for a vig to shoot an uncounterclaimed parity cop


Lmao back into the scum pile with you

[kuribo]

Nope too late either you're not paying attention or you're trying to keep your options open


We both know you're better than that

[kuribo]

Nope too late either you're not paying attention or you're trying to keep your options open


We both know you're better than that

wouldnt scum have more incentive to keep track of that kind of stuff?

additionally i dont really feel like it makes sense for marquis as scum to remember your claim and be like "lol shoot him anyways" because youre obviously going to come back at them for it and vig probably isnt going to listen because of your claim.

I feel like the non serious nature of my post wasn't evident but at least you spent time replying

[kuribo]

Flavor's town no matter what Perry flips.

I'm inclined to agree.

There's a righteous certainty behind Flavor's posts re: Perry

[kuribo]

Vecna whenever you hammer can you link my PR advice post: post 1034

The only role without consensus was vig and uh let me tell you something about Flavor Leaf he's going to shoot people no matter who wins the debate team meet.

I don’t typically shoot Night 1

Shoot me daddy

[kuribo]

I don't think Pelican is scum though

and FL can't fake conviction? ... okay

Of course FL could, anyone COULD

Hell, you COULD be an advanced mafia-playing AI, or I COULD be dreaming all of this (god I hope my dreams are better than this)

But speaking as someone whose playstyle rests VERY heavily on gauging the emotional state of other players (and I'm quite good at it, if a little rusty), I don't think that's the case here. You don't need to believe me or my read (and I could GAF less tbh) but that's how I see it. I believe FL very genuinely believes the case against Pelican.

Could I be getting played? Sure. But it's day one, and what's done in the dark gets brought to the light eventually.

[kuribo]

I'm so used to Pine site flaking over the years that I'm more surprised when he's actually active in a game

[kuribo]

I'd do it if I thought it would change his behavior in anyway

But Pine has been a day 1 lynch for so long it may as well be established site meta

[kuribo]

reminder that bingle was pushing this over and over without trying to produce any alternative.

Aren't you endorsing that very stance by voting Bingle instead?

[kuribo]

Unless you're just voting to be seen voting, by not lynching one of them you're going along with Bingle's "let the vigs Cross shoot"

And then criticizing Bingle for saying it

[kuribo]

i dont really see how disliking bingle for detracting from a wagon without providing an alternative is an anti-endorsement of anything else he was saying.

Because you're criticizing and voting Bingle for detracting from a wagon while detracting from that same wagon.

And if you say oh well he didn't offer an alternative, it's like... neither are you. There's approximately a zero chance Bingle gets lynched today at this rate, so really you're voting Bingle for the same thing you're doing.

[kuribo]

Like I couldn't care less if you scum read Bingle because my teeth itch about the slot too


But damn at least don't be hypocritical when giving your reasoning

[kuribo]

and the momentum swung in like
a period of 8 hours.
so
super baffling take on someone trying to push something they think is scummy.

So you're good with Bingle's idea of letting the vigs "cross shoot?"


Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to derail the wagon.

[kuribo]

i mean, sure?

i never said i wasnt????

But you voted Bingle, by your own words, for continually pushing the idea they should cross shoot. An idea you agree with.

Lemme tell you, associative tells before flips is garbage, but this sure looks like a poorly aborted bus to me.

[kuribo]

I mean......

does it only count when others do it, but its fine if u do it?

It's different when I'm telling someone to shoot me instead of shoot someone else. "Hey you should kill the parity cop" and "hey vig me" are two wildly different statements but you keep on doing you

[kuribo]

And I'm saying you aren't providing an alternative either by parking a meaningless vote on a wagon that won't pick up steam

[kuribo]

You must not be too terrible at pushing wagons since you said

i literally drove a decent part of the momentum on the pelican wagon in the first place?????

[kuribo]

And I'm saying you aren't providing an alternative either by parking a meaningless vote on a wagon that won't pick up steam

I'm legitimately confused about this lecture.

Like... Why can't my wagon pick up steam? We have three days left, I'm already full claimed, I'm not really around to defend myself other than spurts, and you and pops both SR me. Hell, Vec and Quis too, I think.

I mean it could but for someone who disagrees that the vigs should just cross kill he's sure unwilling to lynch one and therefore force them to "cross kill."

[kuribo]

Let's put it a little more ELI5


There are two possible stances:

1. Lynch one of the vigs
2. Attempt the situation resolve itself

There is no middle ground and no possible way to avoid one or the other: any lynch other than 1 results in 2.

Gork voted you on the grounds he didn't like you "pushing" 2.

But he then goes on to move his vote, thus making 2 more likely.

It's not that it's a meaningless vote in general because your wagon can pick up steam, I'm saying it's a meaningless vote from someone who says they want to avoid the vig claims 1v1ing.

[kuribo]

i hope fish and you are both town so that everything youve done this game has been pointlessly toxic.

Dude I'm not even being toxic right now and that hurts.

[kuribo]

Like what the fuck is with people calling me toxic just because I question their god damn posts


That's some seriously gaslighting shit

[kuribo]

I'm not saying you're shit at the game, I'm calling your stance hypocritical and saying that from your own viewpoint from the things you have said it's a meaningless vote



Jesus Christ

[kuribo]

YES YOU FUCKING DID DUDE

Again, why are we lynching a confirmable role?

reminder that bingle was pushing this over and over without trying to produce any alternative.

feeling fake productivity vibes on it.

im probably going to throw effort at parsing fish/jjd tonight if i feel like procrastinating on more important things.

p-edit: wellp.
is it just that you still feel like pelican is the better lynch here?

"Bingle has been pushing this without trying to produce any alternative"


That's what you Fucking said man

[kuribo]

Gork is super obviously right here idk how you're still missing his point kuribo

Because he's complaining about Bingle detracting from a wagon that he himself is detracting from, do I just not have the words to explain this

[kuribo]

Okay I think I get it now

[kuribo]

Thanks for reminding me btw that even when I'm trying real hard not to be, I'm still a toxic presence on this site

[kuribo]

i also feel like this is very clearly saying that i have no chance of starting the wagon

And I'm saying you aren't providing an alternative either by parking a meaningless vote on a wagon that won't pick up steam

and this is very clearly stirring that up?

You must not be too terrible at pushing wagons since you said

i literally drove a decent part of the momentum on the pelican wagon in the first place?????

If you're interpreting that as me calling you a shit player somehow then I don't know what to tell you
so im just really fucking confused??

[kuribo]

if anything i guess im just a thin-skinned prick who shouldnt be playing on this site anymore anyways.

Same

[kuribo]

i also feel like this is very clearly saying that i have no chance of starting the wagon

And I'm saying you aren't providing an alternative either by parking a meaningless vote on a wagon that won't pick up steam

and this is very clearly stirring that up?

You must not be too terrible at pushing wagons since you said

i literally drove a decent part of the momentum on the pelican wagon in the first place?????

If you're interpreting that as me calling you a shit player somehow then I don't know what to tell you
so im just really fucking confused??

I hate my phone I have no idea how my response ended up inside the quote tag

[kuribo]

Idc which one of y'all is vig as long as I get shot

That actually is a compelling breadcrumb tbh

So, you're taking back your Parity Cop claim and claiming what? Martyr?

No, I'm a parity cop but I'm over this shitshow of a game

[kuribo]

I've had no less than three people now, including one that I genuinely like, tell me what a toxic piece of shit I am every time I open my mouth

I've got seventy pages of a day one where half the shit is either mechanics, or meta between players with long histories, or just shitposting

I've had two players literally say they just wanted to egg me on, one of whom knows I'm trying to stay off thin ice with the admins

I fucking hate being town and games like this are why

There is no god damn reason for me to play mafia anymore, I don't enjoy it

And I've tried dude my god have I fuckin tried. I can't even question anybody these days without being called an asshole outta nowhere or having some fuck try to bait me into getting banned. It's fucking exhausting, do you understand, it's fucking tiring after twelve goddamn years the same bullshit game in and game out.

And yeah maybe I'm a little too fuckin sensitive, so what, that's a me problem not anyone else's for sure, but still one I keep in mind

And I fuckin knew man, I knew from the second FG messaged me and asked me to in I'd regret it, but I did it as a favor to him and because the player list looked interesting. What I shoulda done was ripped my nuts off and swallowed them, because it'd be a hell of a lot more fun than I'm having now

Seventy

Fucking

Pages

Of meta tells, of mechanics, of secret alts, of people baiting me or calling me a toxic person

So you're god damn right I'd rather get shot than have to deal with any of that.

[kuribo]

kuri's interactions with gork don't make sense in the context of him scumreading me.

I didn't say you're scum, I said you make my teeth itch, ie, I hesitate to hard townread you

[kuribo]

I'm so tired and it's only day 1.

Please let me rest.

Nope if I'm stuck here so are you

[kuribo]

VOTE: bingle
He seems to be speaking less than town!bingle

:thorface:

The wagon on me might be the worst wagon I’ve ever seen. And I backup modded stellaris.

i agree but apparently you seem to think i said somewhere that i scum read you when i don't, so you can just flap in the wind

[kuribo]

(I'm not touching that 50/50 stinking pile Pelli vs FL)

On what planet is this a 50/50?

On what planet does someone get to say "we have counterclaiming vigs but I refuse to have an opinion"

[kuribo]

i thought i was going to like this player list. :c

Same

[kuribo]

it feels like half this game is a circlejerk of people who know each other and won't lynch each other at the start ever because they all think they're meta experts. like, when i go after ofhrz, someone will pipe up and say "this player is always scummy, so you can't lynch them ever" and that makes me want to kill myself instead of doing it

That's exactly how I feel

Mafia has changed too much over the years, fuck this new shit

[kuribo]

It's not even a counterclaim, kuribo.

In a vaccuum I'd be happy to believe there are two town vigs here, and Perry apparently already knew FL was probably vig.

I don't live in a vacuum though, and I didn't like Perry's reaction: "I'm not voting FL because I can shoot instead"


It's like, without knowing if there's a roleblocker or an X or a Y?

[kuribo]

i thought i was going to like this player list. :c

Same

at least you probably get to die night 1 and abandon me to this shit

Nope the FL / Perry thing makes that a tossup now but it's okay because after nearly 80 pages we seem to be content to run as many wagons as possible so the scum can collect full claims


I 100% seriously got halfway through typing up my replace-out PM and final reads post last night between that bullshit with Gork and then Bingle


I'm too old for this shit. Mafia used to be fun

Well not really

But it used to be more fun than miserable


This game is a Fucking slog and I'm very much nearing the point where I hate every single person here on a very personal level

[kuribo]

Way to go town you didn't even try at endgame.

[kuribo]

Every time I think "Wow this setup is busted it requires town to absolutely throw" town throws.

They literally didn't even lynch anyone at LyLo.

Like people got salty with me about being condescending but...


I just wanna be all "WHAT DO YOU THINK THE LO IN LYLO STANDS FOR AND WHY DOES IT IMPLY YOULL LOSE IF YOU FAIL TO LYNCH"

[kuribo]

My reads weren't as bad as I thought

pops: I was townreading him, but ehhhhhhh. I'd go so far as to say I lean that one of pops/Marquis/Bingle is scum, but not all three and likely not two.

I have a shockingly high success rate when I narrow things down to X scum in Y grouping.

[kuribo]

Didn't i literally say to be conservative in fakegod setups a hundred pages ago

Once claims started trickling out, I knew as someone who has co-modded with Fakegod and consulted with him on setup design that he intended for dayplay to be the winning strategy and to set up high risk night play with disastrous consequences for recklessness.

[kuribo]

i can already tell it's gonna be one of THOSE games.

I'm not much on setup speculation, but this game is almost assuredly balanced around negative utility and dayplay. ie, the caffeine addiction mechanic, the multitude of millers, the counterbalances, it all tells me that FakeGod probably intended to mitigate how much benefit both sides get from night actions. In fact, knowing what I know from my own role, and from what's been claimed / the ruleset, I'd say this setup actively PUNISHES town for relying on nightplay.

[kuribo]

I also don't recall him being under that much pressure. Sure he was suspected, but D1 pushes are really easy to come back from.

I blame the town who placed their heads in their asses and told me to back off from Fish.

[kuribo]

Oh and who kept following counterwagon after counterwagon


And then suspected Pine despite him being the only surviving member of a neighborhood who already had one dead scum and in a game where people said stuff like "MY WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TOWN WHEEEEEEE"