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[gobbledygook]

VOTE: PP

I don’t think he forgets to put that info about strongman as town.

[gobbledygook]

He says his role is informed that scum have a strongman, but then he didn’t announce it until forced to claim

[gobbledygook]

I never really believed PP’s role. And the soft mason stuff continues so rb seems bad right now

[gobbledygook]

No I’m not scumreading you for the mason stuff

[gobbledygook]

Sort of yeah. I feel like you’d be doing more as town

[gobbledygook]

Fun note: In an extremely unlikely, but interesting, interaction with skitter and I is if we both target the same player as the Strongman, the Strongman doesn't go through.

Is this for real?

[gobbledygook]

I mean why would you not out that you were at least informed there was a strongman in the game. That would get us out of RVS immediately and can help other PRs know how to act.

Because...uh...I guess I fucked up then.

Why would you say this if you purposefully chose not to reveal it?

I didn't think it was in the best interest to claim any knowledge today given my role, sorry if you disagree.

[gobbledygook]

I've joined way too many games and that might be why and I feel bad for it

This is kind of why I want to die

[gobbledygook]

Why didn’t you think it was in towns best interest

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: gobbledygook

[gobbledygook]

Actually. VOTE: looker

[gobbledygook]

gobbles is a good player, I just finished a vengeful with them and they played well.

at mafia meaning as mafia?

yeah the game not the alignment.

I'm not sure I think his reads are better than mine sorry turkey.

Vengeful was probably one of my best games from a scumhunting point of view. My reads suck this game though and I’ve fumbled a lot.

That said

Kerset is coasting scum. Kerset is lurking now that Kerset is out of the limelight.

VOTE: Kerset

[gobbledygook]

I think rb ignoring Kerset is also scumimdicative and a Kerset flip if scum will
Help me get the rb lynch I’ve wanted for so long

[gobbledygook]

I think skitter is probably town but I don’t think we should lynch PP today. Join me on Kerset Frank!

Pedit: no, I just don’t like the way they were talking about Kerset in one of the most fence sitting ways possible and now that Kerset is lurking there’s no mention of it

I think his Nicholai vote is lhf and path of least resistance too. But If I’m right about Kerset, rb is very likely a buddy

[gobbledygook]

i dont like kerset this game

ive scumread them incorrectly before tho

I dont like kerset still

but i think this is in their likely town range and that they are less likely to be scum than PP/frank at the very least

ill take a PP lynch over anything else at current

i don't see why there necessarily has to be something in the kerset/frank business

there's 13 players in the game

i dont like kerset this game

ive scumread them incorrectly before tho

I dont like kerset still

but i think this is in their likely town range and that they are less likely to be scum than PP/frank at the very least

ill take a PP lynch over anything else at current

i don't see why there necessarily has to be something in the kerset/frank business

there's 13 players in the game

These are the last things rb has said about Kerset until just now. Rb never substantiated these feelings and these comments seemed like he was trying to help a buddy get out of hot water at the time

[gobbledygook]

Happy birthday!! Looker, what do you think of Kerset and will you vote them with me

[gobbledygook]

Profii opinion on Kerset?

[gobbledygook]

Doesn’t a weak doctor still die if they targeted a scum

[gobbledygook]

i (and gobble) literally saw scum do this like two weeks ago so ...

sounds ballsy for scum!him to do it with you around, then, no?

-X

ya true but i'm worried that's what gave him the idea

What game are you referring to? The newbie where both scum counter claimed the Pr and died because of it and lost?

[gobbledygook]

That sounds like such a game winning plan to copy

[gobbledygook]

I think proffii should definitely kill me and then skitter should choose someone townie to protect

[gobbledygook]

I think the idea should be that profii has one pool and skitter has a separate pool. If skitter dies and there is a scum kill accounted for, then skitter’s pool becomes proffii’s pool

[gobbledygook]

there's a strongman tho and if i die how will you know i got a guilty?

Presumably from the amount of nightkills? I don’t know why you keep going back to this

[gobbledygook]

One of them is probably lying but I think that the solution to much of skitter’s problems is to have two separate pools of targets for profii and skitter. We should not be using skitter as an investigative. We should be using her as a protection

[gobbledygook]

and no, if there's a strongman, me being a protective is useless and i think i should be used as an invest

Eh, I think there’s probably another role in the setup. I think you should chose the two towniest you think or the town collectively thinks and then protect one of them. Force them to use their strongman kills or kill in the non-towniest group which +town ev I think no matter how you parse it

[gobbledygook]

Like we would “simultaneously” be solving the game from three different groups. The towniest group, the “not towniest” group, and profii’s vig group

[gobbledygook]

That is exactly what I am saying
Skitter we are on t he same page for once!! This is exciting

[gobbledygook]

Why not Kerset

[gobbledygook]

PP is a good investigation

[gobbledygook]

Profii for MVp

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Looker

[gobbledygook]

That was a crumb pops

[gobbledygook]

lying about your reads is an awful way to crumb

also, if her weak doctor philosophy is you always protect the person you tr the least, that's not a good way to crumb?

Oh these are really good points

[gobbledygook]

I love that I am getting hard carried in this game right now

[gobbledygook]

ty ty I will look pretty in the corner. Please find the third scum ty

[gobbledygook]

From my perspective the final scum is in {Frank, A50, Bob BBmmolla}

I will look into those before I go vla until Moday

[gobbledygook]

wait is it true that skitter can effectively self doc if she targets PP who targets her? that seems busted

[gobbledygook]

yeah I was just thinking from a town you, town PP perspective. That role interaction would explain why the scum have a strong man though

[gobbledygook]

off the cuff, I do not think bob is scum. I do not think Nona scum would follow her teammate bob onto me like that

[gobbledygook]

tbf I didn't mean to fakeclaim, but your pov makes sense now

[gobbledygook]

I think its BBmolla

[gobbledygook]

oh wait actually it could a50... he replaced wake

[gobbledygook]

I would put my order of death preference A50 > BBmolla > Frank > Bob

[gobbledygook]

Why is a50 a strong tr for you skitter

[gobbledygook]

Can anyone articulate any of their scumreads...?

[gobbledygook]

I’m not scum but hindsight we definitely the night action selection game wrong last night. Skitter should have been on rb and Penguin on Skitter

[gobbledygook]

I don’t get why skitter would continue to try to use herself as an investigation and also not claim from a selection of people we should target because very clearly her announcement is vulnerable to framing. But c’est la vie

[gobbledygook]

Pot, kettle, stones, glass houses since I messed up even the most basic premise of playing

Pedit: no we don’t but you probably will

[gobbledygook]

Rb doesn’t need to claim rn. Needs to claim before end of day though

[gobbledygook]

I personally think Looker’s vote on me personally exonerates me

[gobbledygook]

I will say that PP cannot live to 3P LyLo.

[gobbledygook]

You should be protecting people to make the scum use up any xshots they have

[gobbledygook]

I am aVT

[gobbledygook]

Psychologist + vig is cool

[gobbledygook]

Ethos I thought you were really good. You’ve not really been trying here I feel like

[gobbledygook]

lol

I feel so bad for defending that. I just did that with Non Imh scum in a newbie. I should just let nature take its course on those types of slots than try to be some white knigjt

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: BBmolla

[gobbledygook]

Menalque can i have your life omg

[gobbledygook]

Maybe

[gobbledygook]

What is the case against Bob?

[gobbledygook]

Based off VCA, I think it is either BBmolla or Almost50. At one point Looker, Nicholai, and Bob were all on the same wagon and the only people on that wagon. No way a scum team does that

Looker also posted a post that was aimed at all the lurkers which includes the Nona slot, BBmolla, and the Wake (A50) slot. I think Looker’s weird frank stuff at the end there was trying to tie his wagon to Frank.

[gobbledygook]

Votecount 1.20

Kerset

(6) — skitter30, gobbledygook, BBmolla, Frank, PenguinPower, rb

rb

(3) — bob3141, Looker, Nicholai

BBmolla

(1) — Kerset

skitter30

(0) —

PenguinPower

(0) —

Looker

(0) —

bob3141

(0) —

popsofctown

(0) —

gobbledygook

(0) —

Nicholai

(0) —

profii

(0) —

Frank

(0) —

Almost50

(0) —

Not Voting

(3) — profii, Almost50, popsofctown

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-01-05 21:53:00)

Mod Notes

: -skitt is very VLA on weekends
-kerset maybe doesn't hate me but pops is absorbing any hatred to maintain the laws of menalqodynamics
-Looker is VLA until the 6th
-Your mod should be adding more flavour soon

This VC makes me think it is unlikely that Bob is scum.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Almost50

monkey man good

I really don’t think so, rb :c

Don’t hate me!

[gobbledygook]

We can afford to lynch me today and still win, I say. I don't feel like efforting in this game tbh, so if you fail to make up your mind just lynch me and carry on.

I would like this flipped for science!

[gobbledygook]

No seriously it is BBmolla or A50
Money is on A50, but can we please wait to kill anyone for like a couple of days. Ty

[gobbledygook]

Literally no one has articulated a reason why A50 is town. Even skitter who proclaimed him super town for some reason

[gobbledygook]

the range of a50's play is pretty diverse and there's a lot of overlap between his scum and town play for sure, but this ain't it

yes i too am frustrated that he plays like this and gets to be townread for it but that's just a50

I mean, I am not frustrated with him or his play. I think he and FL are cut from the same cloth, but what I am noticing here is that he is

not

playing like his conspiracy-theorist normal self.

He seems kind of resigned to the fact that he is about to get lynched, which makes sense given two mafia died within 24 hours of one another.

Objectively, I think my play here does not make sense as scum. Asking to be vigged is not what mafia do. Yes, wifom and all, but really I think we should be looking at Looker's iso. He clearly felt something was wrong with his own iso by the way he reacted in his final moments in this game.

[gobbledygook]

If you go easily that usually means your associatives are

good

Are you saying that Looker went easily? I think his stuff with Frank would imply he felt self-conscious about his associatives and wanted to obfuscate them in someway.

[gobbledygook]

disregard everything looker did,

play game instead

What is it that you think I am doing?

[gobbledygook]

wake

Keep in mind Kerset speaks English as a second language.

What's the original language? (Also, making something purple doesn't make it evil)

VOTE: Wake88

I forgot about this player.

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@Menalque

: I like the yoinks; can they include votecounts?

Hmm... both flipped scum forgot that Wake existed.

[gobbledygook]

bob is best for reasons before but also wake i just remembered exists

Keep in mind Kerset speaks English as a second language.

What's the original language? (Also, making something purple doesn't make it evil)

VOTE: Wake88

I forgot about this player.

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@Menalque

: I like the yoinks; can they include votecounts?

Hmm... both flipped scum forgot that Wake existed.

[gobbledygook]

How do you differentiate between someone not shifting a vote because they've grown so tired (or cautious) of wagon/vote-hopping so frequently and someone not shifting a vote because the focus has finally landed on one of their team members?

Ok, what did you think of the bbmolla wagon then?

As I understood it, the votes were built from lurking and meta. My proposition for lurking was replacement - also, Wake88 was lurking way harder than BBmolia. And I can't argue meta because I've not played with this player before and I'm not going to read 50+ pages of other games to come up with a read that could've been manipulated.

So far the skitter wagon is just looking like counter wagon to proffiis.

And those on it dont look right.

Can you expound upon this subjective hot take?

This post really makes me think it is between BBmolla and A50.

Plus Nicholai spent so much time talking about Bob. I'm not sure he would talk about his buddy that much. Plus that would mean that all three scum were on a wagon at once which I don't think happens.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: BBmolla

[gobbledygook]

Does anyone know how bob actually plays scum? I certainly don’t.

[gobbledygook]

From any townie’s perspective that is not RB, Pops, or Penguin, they would know that the game ends in a town win if the lynch is within the 3 non PR people/confirmed.

We as town just need to find one townie that we can all agree on within that group of four.

For reference, that group of four is {Almost50, BBmolla, Frank, gobbledygook}

I was color coding the Vcs, but then my browser crashed so I’m going to bed and doing it in the morning.

[gobbledygook]

A lot happened that day though (this is why I like wagons).

[gobbledygook]

Where’s Rb at this point I kind of want to defer to him

gobble/bob

Ty for catching Looker with your good shot, but I really think this is the wrong pair to look at in that group of four.

[gobbledygook]

we'll see what he has to say but i do think there's problems with lack of lynch VCA

Is the he in this sentence referring to me?

[gobbledygook]

UNVOTE:
I'm voting either BBMolla or gobble I'm sure

Turkey townspew

Tell me how scummy BBMolla is

Thinking about this, I feel like it is unproductive to pit two slots against one another. I’m going to re-examine the remaining scum slots.

I would appreciate either a) being immediately hammered so I don’t waste my time, or b) being hammered at the earliest Monday night. I will begin my reexamination later this afternoon, but it is a labor intensive process for me so I will most likely not finish until tomorrow evening. I, like BBmolla, have night activities to attend tonight.

[gobbledygook]

If I am not hammered by 1pm est, I will take it as a sign of good faith to give me enough time to compile my thoughts.

[gobbledygook]

Ok. Please do not lynch me before Monday evening at the earliest. Thank you.

[gobbledygook]

I have a life?

[gobbledygook]

Spoiler: VCA fmpov

rb

(3) —

Nona

,

profii,

Looker

profii

(3) — Frank,

rb, gobbledygook

gobbledygook

(2) —

PenguinPower,

bob3141
BBmolla (1) —

popsofctown

Looker

(1) — Wake88

skitter30

(1) — BBmolla

PenguinPower

(1) —

Kerset

bob3141 (1) —

skitter30

Kerset (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Frank (0) —
Wake88 (0) —
Nona (0) —

Not Voting (4) —

Kerset

, BBmolla,

PenguinPower, gobbledygook

rb

(3) —

Nona

,

profii

,

Looker

bob3141 (3) —

skitter30

, BBmolla,

gobbledygook

profii

(2) — Frank,

rb

gobbledygook

(2) —

PenguinPower

, bob3141
BBmolla (1) —

popsofctown

Looker

(1) — Wake88

PenguinPower

(1) —

Kerset

skitter30 (0) —
Kerset (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Frank (0) —
Wake88 (0) —
Nona (0) —

rb

(3) —

Nona

,

profii

,

Looker

profii

(2) — Frank,

rb

gobbledygook

(2) —

PenguinPower

, bob3141
bob3141 (2) — BBmolla,

gobbledygook

BBmolla (1) —

popsofctown

Looker

(1) — Wake88

PenguinPower

(1) —

Kerset

skitter30 (0) —
Kerset (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Frank (0) —
Wake88 (0) —
Nona (0) —


Not Voting (1) —

skitter30

bob3141 (3) — BBmolla,

Kerset, popsofctown

profii

(2) — Frank,

rb

gobbledygook

(2) —

PenguinPower,

Nona

BBmolla (2) —

gobbledygook, profii

rb

(1) —

Looker

Looker

(1) — Wake88

Kerset

(1) —

skitter30

Nona

(1) — bob3141
PenguinPower (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Frank (0) —
Wake88 (0) —

bob3141 (3) — BBmolla,

Kerset, popsofctown

Kerset

(3) —

skitter30

, Frank, bob3141
Frank (2) —

gobbledygook, PenguinPower

rb

(1) —

Looker

Looker

(1) — Wake88
BBmolla (1) —

profii

gobbledygook

(1) —

Nona

PenguinPower

(1) —

rb

profii (0) —
Nona (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Wake88 (0) —

bob3141 (3) — BBmolla,

Kerset, popsofctown

Kerset

(3) — Frank, bob3141,

Looker

Frank (3) —

gobbledygook, PenguinPower, skitter30

Looker

(1) — Wake88
BBmolla (1) —

profii

gobbledygook

(1) —

Nona

PenguinPower

(1) —

rb

rb (0) —
profii (0) —
Nona (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Wake88 (0) —

Frank (4) —

gobbledygook, PenguinPower, skitter30

, bob3141
bob3141 (3) —

Kerset, popsofctown, profii

Kerset

(2) — Frank,

Looker

Looker

(1) — Wake88

gobbledygook

(1) —

Nona

PenguinPower

(1) —

rb

Wake88 (1) — BBmolla
BBmolla (0) —
rb (0) —
profii (0) —
Nona (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
popsofctown (0) —

profii

(4) —

skitter30, gobbledygook, popsofctown, rb

Kerset

(2) — Frank,

Looker

Frank (2) —

PenguinPower

, bob3141

Looker

(1) — Wake88
bob3141 (1) —

Kerset

gobbledygook

(1) —

Nona

PenguinPower (0) —
Wake88 (2) — BBmolla,

profii

BBmolla (0) —
rb (0) —
Nona (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
popsofctown (0) —

skitter30

(4) —

profii, rb

, Frank,

Looker

profii

(3) —

skitter30, gobbledygook, popsofctown

Frank (2) —

PenguinPower,

bob3141

Looker

(1) — Wake88
bob3141 (1) —

Kerset

gobbledygook

(1) —

Nona

Wake88 (1) — BBmolla
PenguinPower (0) —
Kerset (0) —
BBmolla (0) —
rb (0) —
Nona (0) —
popsofctown (0) —

PenguinPower

(4) — BBmolla,

rb, popsofctown, profii

profii

(3) —

skitter30, gobbledygook, Kerset

skitter30

(2) — Frank,

Looker,

gobbledygook

(2) —

Nona

, bob3141
Frank (1) —

PenguinPower

Looker

(1) — Wake88
bob3141 (0) —
Wake88 (0) —
Kerset (0) —
BBmolla (0) —
rb (0) —
Nona (0) —
popsofctown (0) —

Looker

(4) — Wake88,

skitter30, PenguinPower, gobbledygook

PenguinPower

(4) — BBmolla,

rb, profii

profii

(1) —

Kerset

skitter30

(1) — Frank
gobbledygook (1) —

Nona

Frank (0) —
bob3141 (0) —
Wake88 (0) —
Kerset (0) —
BBmolla (0) —
rb (0) —
Nona (0) —
popsofctown (0) —

Not Voting (3) —

Looker

, bob3141,

popsofctown

Looker

(3) — Wake88,

PenguinPower, popsofctown

Nicholai

(3) —

profii

, bob3141,

rb

PenguinPower

(1) — BBmolla
BBmolla (1) —

gobbledygook

profii (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
gobbledygook (0) —
Frank (0) —
bob3141 (0) —
Wake88 (0) —
Kerset (0) —
rb (1) —

Nicholai

popsofctown (0) —


Not Voting (0) —

Looker

, Frank,

skitter30, Kerset

PenguinPower

(4) — BBmolla,

profii, rb, skitter30

Looker

(3) — Wake88,

PenguinPower, popsofctown

rb

(2) —

gobbledygook

,

Nicholai

Nicholai

(1) — bob31411
BBmolla (0) —
profii (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
gobbledygook (0) —
Frank (0) —
bob3141 (0) —
Wake88 (0) —
Kerset (0) —
popsofctown (0) —


Not Voting (3) —

Looker

, Frank,

Kerset

PenguinPower

(5) — BBmolla,

profii, rb, gobbledygook

,

Nicholai

Looker

(2) — Wake88,

popsofctown

BBmolla (2) —

Kerset, PenguinPower

Nicholai (1) — bob31411

rb

(1) —

skitter30

profii (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
gobbledygook (0) —
Frank (0) —
bob3141 (0) —
Wake88 (0) —
Kerset (0) —
popsofctown (0) —


Not Voting (2) —

Looker

, Frank

PenguinPower

(3) — BBmolla,

rb, gobbledygook

Looker

(2) — Wake88,

popsofctown

BBmolla (2) —

Kerset, PenguinPower

rb

(2) —

skitter30

,

Nicholai

Nicholai (1) — bob31411
profii (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
gobbledygook (0) —
Frank (0) —
bob3141 (0) —
Almost50 (0) —
Kerset (0) —
popsofctown (0) —


Not Voting (3) —

Looker

, Frank,

profii

BBmolla (3) —

Kerset, PenguinPower, popsofctown

rb

(2) —

skitter30

,

Nicholai

Looker

(1) — BBmolla
Nicholai (1) — bob31411
bob3141 (1) —

rb

PenguinPower (0) —
profii (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
gobbledygook (0) —
Frank (0) —
Almost50 (0) —
Kerset (0) —
popsofctown (0) —

Not Voting (5) —

Looker

, Frank,

profii, gobbledygook

, Almost50

BBmolla (3) —

Kerset, PenguinPower

,

Looker

rb

(3) —

Nicholai

, bob3141,

gobbledygook

bob3141 (3) —

rb

, BBmolla,

popsofctown

popsofctown

(1) —

profii

gobbledygook

(1) — Frank
Looker (0) —
Nicholai (0) —
PenguinPower (0) —
profii (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
Frank (0) —
Almost50 (0) —
Kerset (0) —



Not Voting (2) — Almost50,

skitter30

BBmolla (3) —

Kerset,

PenguinPower, rb

rb

(2) — bob3141,

Looker

skitter30

(2) — Frank,

Nicholai

Kerset

(1) —

skitter30

PenguinPower

(1) —

popsofctown

Looker

(1) —

gobbledygook

bob3141 (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
gobbledygook (0) —
Nicholai (0) —
profii (0) —
Frank (0) —
Almost50 (0) —


No Lynch (1) — BBmolla

Not Voting (2) — Almost50,

profii

Kerset

(6) —

skitter30, gobbledygook,

BBmolla, Frank,

PenguinPower, rb

rb

(3) — bob3141,

Looker, Nicholai

BBmolla (1) —

Kerset

skitter30 (0) —
PenguinPower (0) —
Looker (0) —
bob3141 (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
gobbledygook (0) —
Nicholai (0) —
profii (0) —
Frank (0) —
Almost50 (0) —


Not Voting (3) —

profii

, Almost50,

popsofctown

Kerset

(7) —

skitter30, gobbledygook,

BBmolla, Frank,

PenguinPower, rb, profii

<—HAMMER

rb

(3) — bob3141,

Looker, Nicholai

BBmolla (1) —

Kerset

skitter30 (0) —
PenguinPower (0) —
Looker (0) —
bob3141 (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
gobbledygook (0) —
Nicholai (0) —
profii (0) —
Frank (0) —
Almost50 (0) —


Not Voting (2) — Almost50,

popsofctown

Looker

(2) —

rb, gobbledygook

gobbledygook

(1) —

skitter30

rb (0) —
BBmolla (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
PenguinPower (0) —
bob3141 (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Frank (0) —
Almost50 (0) —

Runningback (1) — BBmolla

Not Voting (6) — Almost50,

popsofctown

,

Looker

, Frank,

PenguinPower

, bob3141

Looker

(4) —

gobbledygook

, BBmolla,

popsofctown

, Frank
Frank (1) —

Looker

gobbledygook (0) —
rb (0) —
BBmolla (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
PenguinPower (0) —
bob3141 (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Almost50 (0) —


Not Voting (5) — Almost50,

PenguinPower

, bob3141,

rb

,

skitter30

Looker

(4) —

gobbledygook,

BBmolla,

popsofctown

, Frank,

PenguinPower, rb

<— HAMMER
Frank (1) —

Looker

gobbledygook (0) —
rb (0) —
BBmolla (0) —
skitter30 (0) —
PenguinPower (0) —
bob3141 (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Almost50 (0) —


Not Voting (5) — Almost50, bob3141,

skitter30

bob3141 (1) —

popsofctown

rb (0) —
BBmolla (0) —
PenguinPower (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
gobbledygook (0) —
Frank (0) —
Almost50 (0) —


Not Voting (7) —

gobbledygook

, BBmolla, Frank,

PenguinPower, rb

, bob314, Almost50

PenguinPower

(1) — BBmolla

gobbledygook

(1) —

popsofctown

bob3141 (0) —
rb (0) —
BBmolla (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Frank (0) —
Almost50 (0) —


Not Voting (6) —

gobbledygook

, Frank,

PenguinPower, rb

, bob314, Almost50

PenguinPower

(1) — BBmolla
bob3141 (1) —

popsofctown

BBmolla (1) — Almost50
gobbledygook (0) —
rb (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Frank (0) —
Almost50 (0) —


Not Voting (5) —

gobbledygook

, Frank,

PenguinPower, rb,

bob314

bob3141 (3) —

popsofctown

, BBmolla,

PenguinPower

BBmolla (2) — Almost50,

gobbledygook

Almost50 (1) — Frank
PenguinPower (0) —
gobbledygook (0) —
rb (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Frank (0) —


Not Voting (2) —

rb

, bob314

bob3141 (2) — BBmolla,

PenguinPower

BBmolla (2) — Almost50,

gobbledygook

Almost50 (2) — Frank,

popsofctown

PenguinPower (0) —
gobbledygook (0) —
rb (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Frank (0) —


Not Voting (2) —

rb

, bob314

bob3141 (2) — BBmolla,

PenguinPower

BBmolla (2) — Almost50,

gobbledygook

gobbledygook

(2) —

rb, popsofctown

Almost50 (1) — Frank
PenguinPower (0) —
rb (0) —
popsofctown (0) —
Frank (0) —


Not Voting (1) — bob314

I actually think the final scum is Frank. He has not voted scum the entire game except for when the guilty was revealed. Looker also did not vote scum the entire game except for maybe when the guilty was revealed and he voted Frank to try and distance himself from him. I do not think that Looker was necessarily "trolling for the sake of trolling" when he died. I do think he thought his vote patterns/iso indicated

something

, so that is why he made a show of voting Frank. It would make sense that he reacted that way upon realizing he had only voted town the entire game (and so did his scumbuddy).

I do not think that BBmolla is scum anymore because it would be suicide as the last scum standing to push for a PenguinPower lynch.

I am going to look over Frank's iso tomorrow. I thought I remembered him being aggressive towards Nicholai, but it is odd to see that he did not vote Nicholai. I am also going to do an Activity Flow of the remaining slots that are not cleared, or "very likely town."

[gobbledygook]

Bob, can you please unvote me so Frank does not hammer me.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Frank

I will not be able to get to do my to do list until tomorrow.

pedit:

I will after my shower. Can you quote them here for my ease?

[gobbledygook]

i dont like kerset this game

ive scumread them incorrectly before tho

I dont like kerset still

but i think this is in their likely town range and that they are less likely to be scum than PP/frank at the very least

ill take a PP lynch over anything else at current

i don't see why there necessarily has to be something in the kerset/frank business

there's 13 players in the game

i dont like kerset this game

ive scumread them incorrectly before tho

I dont like kerset still

but i think this is in their likely town range and that they are less likely to be scum than PP/frank at the very least

ill take a PP lynch over anything else at current

i don't see why there necessarily has to be something in the kerset/frank business

there's 13 players in the game

These are the last things rb has said about Kerset until just now. Rb never substantiated these feelings and these comments seemed like he was trying to help a buddy get out of hot water at the time

gooble what do you think of your case that you were oushing against rb now in light of his claim.

Also what do you think of the fact that you are pushing a kerset and rb team. Kerset who you helped lynch and rb whos wagon involved nick. A player that had made no attempt to actually sort kerset. Who has since flipped scum. And a player who you have never as it appears tried to sort.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by what I think of my case. Clearly it was very wrong as Kerset has flipped town and Rb is very likely town. I do not claim to be infallible if that's what you're asking.

I will need a bit more clarification on the "and a player who you never as it appears tried to sort" comment. If you mean Nicholai, I think that is slightly disingenuous. When Nicholai replaced into the game with his fake newness I immediately voted him for that. When he started posting more I just thought he was a bad player, not scum. It is a particular weakness of mine. I just fell for something similar in a recently completed newbie game run by Thespio. I thought Non Imh was a bad player given their hammer on me and their general play after the hammer. It turns out that Non Imh was just scum in that game. Same principle applies here with Nicholai.

I may be falling into the too scummy to be scum trap, but I don’t think Nicholai is scum. I think whoever said they hate how day 1 turns into utility lynches is probably town too. I need to re-evaluate this game because too many people occupy a grey zone in my mind and I’ve been following a long the entire phase.

This after the nick wagon collapses due to player vla concerns.

You say he is scummy but cant be scum.

A very easy way to avoid votign for a player whoms wagon might not rebuild. With the only questionign about his wagon beign why skitter unvoted

I have already admitted earlier today that I was wrong about Nicholai and how embarrassing that is. I will say that I was not the only who thought that about him. I am pretty sure Skitter also town read him at the close of Day 1.


---

I hope these are the questions you wanted answered, bob. Let me know if there are anymore. The quotes you posted there were bit hard to follow.

[gobbledygook]

I don't think gobble is handling his pressure well and deflecting to me and

saying the way looker voted me is scummy now when he said the opposite earlier

bothers me.

Where did I say this? I said Looker was obfuscating his vote. Then Rb told me to ignore Looker’s end of life actions so I did. But then I actually looked at the vca and came up with my hypothesis about you and Looker.

[gobbledygook]

So even if I’m town you don’t want to listen to me because...?

Thanks, pops.

[gobbledygook]

if you can wait 12 hours that would be great

[gobbledygook]

Oh god subway

Go anywhere else but that place

[gobbledygook]

Get some cold cuts girl

[gobbledygook]

Half way done with my activity flow, but I am going to take a break for football and also to make an argument for why I am less likely to be scum than other players.

- Given that the setup is apparently goon/goon/strongman, advocating for myself to get shot after messing up makes zero sense. If I am strongman, I do not think I would have messed up given that PenguinPower made the strongman pretty central in everyone's minds.
- Furthermore, after everyone added me to the vig list and after I asked profii to kill me, if my scumteam IS about to lose the strongman, they would HAVE to kill the protectives (skitter and PenguinPower) or else that pair literally just lynches everyone else and wins in 3P LyLo due to how their roles work together. Obviously, neither Skitter nor PenguinPower died so that is a point in my favor
- I think Nona's vote on me is indicative that I am town. She placed that vote with very little basis and then never defended it
- My pressure on Looker before the guilty was revealed. If I was going to save a teammate, it would be Looker not Nicholai given the public sentiment regarding Nicholai was very bad
- I think my play has generally been town other than the skitter/me mess up

[gobbledygook]

I don't think gobble is handling his pressure well and deflecting to me and

saying the way looker voted me is scummy now when he said the opposite earlier

bothers me.

Where did I say this? I said Looker was obfuscating his vote. Then Rb told me to ignore Looker’s end of life actions so I did. But then I actually looked at the vca and came up with my hypothesis about you and Looker.

I'm kinda with rb on the whole thing. I don't think lookers votes at the end mattered. Looking into it is just wifom.

I guess I misunderstood your original comments but it's really weird for you to just go from bb/a50 to me when neither of the former were looking like likely lynches.

I don't really understand your last sentence. Why is it weird that I go to you when none of the former were looking like lynches?

[gobbledygook]

I think Nona's vote on me is indicative that I am town. She placed that vote with very little basis and then never defended it

I just want to say that Kerset played phenomenally, and VOTE: Frank. I'm a 1-shot PGO and I didn't arm last night. Are we really all claiming? If we are, Frank, if not Frank, then no one.

i will vote for someone random to be helpful. VOTE: Frank i didn't check the votecount before voting so i'm really sorry if this is hammer it was really an accident and don't scumread me for it but i haven't read so had no way of knowing.

Erm, you can't really have your cake and eat it too if you're going to discount my Looker > vote Frank analysis and then immediately turn around and use Looker > vote Frank analysis to say you're town.

[gobbledygook]

For the record my preliminary activity flow analysis does indicate that A50 is the scum, I'm just waiting on ~things to come together. I want to do my due diligence when it comes to Frank though because no one is talking about him.

[gobbledygook]

I want to believe you're town gobble you're just making it very hard for me right now

Makes sense, if you're town and some random turkey comes at you all fisticuffs with what you think are bad premises I would feel the same

[gobbledygook]

I don't think gobble is handling his pressure well and deflecting to me and

saying the way looker voted me is scummy now when he said the opposite earlier

bothers me.

Where did I say this? I said Looker was obfuscating his vote. Then Rb told me to ignore Looker’s end of life actions so I did. But then I actually looked at the vca and came up with my hypothesis about you and Looker.

I'm kinda with rb on the whole thing. I don't think lookers votes at the end mattered. Looking into it is just wifom.

I guess I misunderstood your original comments but it's really weird for you to just go from bb/a50 to me when neither of the former were looking like likely lynches.

I don't really understand your last sentence. Why is it weird that I go to you when none of the former were looking like lynches?

Like you waited

until

they no longer looked likely to attack me. After saying you thought the scum was in them. Also it happened after you accrued 3 votes.

I mean I think the obvious hole in this train of thought is why didn't I flip on bob since people have been wanting his lynch for literally the entire game AND he has 2 votes already. It doesn't really make sense for scum me to go after you, of all people left in the lynch pool.

[gobbledygook]

Why did you speculate that there were more than 3 mafia when the PRs were revealing on Day 1? I find that to be a little odd because that seems very

not

normal for mini normal games.

[gobbledygook]

Wasn't there some compelling VC thingy saying it's either BBMolla gobble, so not a50? I don't remember exactly how it goes

I don't remember this. The only things of interest that I noticed doing the VCA are the following: that other than the guilty Frank had not voted scum; Looker potentially never voted scum if Frank is town; Wake88 somehow was right about Looker for the majority of the day on an RVS vote; Bob, Nicholai, Looker were all on a vanity wagon and the only ones on that vanity wagon.

[gobbledygook]

gooble teh lynch pool for today is 5 of which rb knows one is cleared.

If your scum you know then that the lynch pool is 4 players with 3 lynchs.

next to that you have 2 pr claims and 2 claimed clears.

And you have max of 2 nights left. Thus 2 kills.


of pr claims you rb who is town psychologist and pp a claimed bg. Who coudl easily die during one of the nights by virtue of his role.

PP says he has been informed there is strongman. And that singular role is implied.

So pops is cleared and another who rb is yet to say.

So even if you still have the ability to strongman. thats still means your likely to face 2 highly confirmed townies. Giving you one lynch option.

If you dont have any shots left. Well then you have already lost. As you will most likely have a block of 3 confirmed townies in lylo.

This does appear to be accurate on what my theoretical options are. This also applies to you, Frank, A50, BBmolla that has not claimed PR/has not been cleared by Skitter, not just me. I know I am town so I obviously remove myself from the pool as anyone townie would do.

[gobbledygook]

"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game. It is important not to waste the Strongman kill before something like Follow the Cop starts to take place."

assuming truthful skitter, pp, and nicholai, would it make sense for the strongman to be 2-shot?

I've assumed there's 3 scum but could that number be higher or lower based on scumpower?

[gobbledygook]

That PP is scum?

[gobbledygook]

Ok. I am like 100% positive it is A50. He used the same “woe is me” type attitude and flipped scum recently. Plus, his activity flow is pretty bad. 51% of his posts came on the day he replaced in and his activity since that day has plummeted.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: A50

You only get two lynches so it’s either me + PP or me + A50. The odd one out goes to LyLo after no lynching.

[gobbledygook]

He’s L-2, BBmplla last I counted

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Looker

I think Nona has a good chance of being scum reading her iso

At this point what was you read on looker based on. Also explain your read at this point on nona

As you never vote for nick later when he gets to 5 votes

What changed between this post and then

I was scumreading both Looker and Nona as of this post. It is why I voted Looker and it is why I said my comment about Nona. I was scumreading Nona there because I felt that her stances were not her own. She did not seem to really be scumhunting. Rather, it looked like she was appropriating others' stances as her own.

I did not for Nicholai because I thought he was just a bad player. I typically do not initially scumread bad players. They are my blindspots.

talk about you reasonign here.

This is at a point where nicholia has got up to 5 votes. Ealier when he got his 3rd vote and a 4th was actively pushign that slot and was sure to join. You vote bbmola, not nick and not looker a player who you had been voting ealier

What was you read on nick that caused you to coem to this conclusion. Also how had you read on looker changed. As you were clearly must have been scum reading bbmola over both nona/nick and looker. since you voted for bbmola aroudn this point. Over teh two leading lynches that were looker and nick who both flipped scum

As I've said, I thought Nicholai was bad, not scum. I called out something I thought was scummy, but then he reacted with something that I thought was too scummy to be scum. I just fell for this type of behavior when it came to Non Imh in this game

I voted BBmolla because I thought he was more scummy at that time for his vote on PenguinPower.

---

Bob, do you townread PenguinPower? What is your read on A50?

[gobbledygook]

here

[gobbledygook]

id like to see town player activity flow

only showing the remaining questionable players is a bit misleading imo

I’m sorry but i not have enough time to do activity flow for people I do not think are scum. It’s a scumhunting tool, not a town hunting tool.

I did it in C9++, Big Four Mafia, and Nomnomnom’s Gordon Ramsay mini normal, and one more mini normal where I was scum buddies with LUV

[gobbledygook]

here

Link the bloody specific game. Now if you can't, then you are already in violation of the rules. GOT IT YET?

I did link to the game

[gobbledygook]

It was a link to a search of threads someone is in

This is correct.

[gobbledygook]

The activity graphs are made by putting the individual days this game has been opened (or that the player has played in this game in A50’s case since he replaced into this game) on the x axis. The y axis is the amount of posts that player has posted on a particular day. The dotted line is the trend line of the data. A negative slow (something that dips down to the bottom right) means the player has posted less frequently than they did at the start of the game. This is typically indicative of lurking which in turn is indicative of being scum.

If the trend line is positive (goes to the top right) then that player means they were more active later in the game than at the start. This is usually indicative of town in my experiences.

This tool is not fool proof. I do not claim it to be fool proof. Sometimes you can also see the “hit and run” type scum who post a lot when they are here but are absent for long stretches of time (1-2 days) frequently. This is how I caught Persivul in C9++.
But anyway combined with A50 doing his woe is me, wake “RVS” voting Looker, and my townreads on the other players in the out pool, I think A50 is likely scum. I think he was trying to placate me by saying I was the second lynch after BBmolla.


If Donald trump can win an election using data analytics, we can win a mafia game using data analytics.

I try not to use activity flow in games that I start in because as people get more used to me using it, then they can manufacture their activity to beat it. That’s why I like to replace into games and use it.

[gobbledygook]

Ok but how did you do that without doing something as odious as manually isoing and typing digits into an excel spreadsheet to produce the graph

That is exactly what I did because I’m a Neanderthal and don’t know how to code a site scrapper that could do the work for me

Hahahah
Hahah
Ha


Ha




Kill me

[gobbledygook]

Why would you put that much effort into a game where you rolled scum tho

I didn’t roll scum.

[gobbledygook]

No he’s L-1. I miscounted when I told BBmolla he was L-2. He was actually L-3 then

[gobbledygook]

(Shrug)

I wish whoever is going to 3P Lylo luck

[gobbledygook]

Do you think eth0s is a shitty player? He was lightly scumreading you early and I've heard that he's pretty good

He’s self admitted better as scum than town. I have opinions about the type of player who is baseline better as scum than town, but it doesn’t mean they are bad

[gobbledygook]

Idk why gobble is contemplating universes where he is unavailable to post next day phase lol

I’m posting from the universe where I die either today and if I’m wrong about A50, I die tomorrow

I do not want to go 3p LyLo and I will self hammer to not get there

[gobbledygook]

Trying to think if a bodyguard doesn’t fit with the other roles

[gobbledygook]

Idk why gobble is contemplating universes where he is unavailable to post next day phase lol

I’m posting from the universe where I die either today and if I’m wrong about A50, I die tomorrow

I do not want to go 3p LyLo and I will self hammer to not get there

If we go to lylo I want you there tbh :/

I’m just gonna get lynched. Getting lynched in 3P LyLo is the worst

[gobbledygook]

I’m not going to deal with someone who is spewing that amount of vitriol.

VOTE: bob

Do whatever you want. I was trash this game when Nicholai replaced in. Kill me. Don’t kill me. I don’t care anymore.

[gobbledygook]

I think it was radarcowballs

that would... come as a huge shock to me given a certain game we played together

RC has a very high opinion of your scum game at least. I can vouch for pops’ statement

[gobbledygook]

I mean I still believe that A50 is the last scum. But if he’s going to be mean about a scumread then I’m not going to push it. I would rather die than push a lynch against someone who is going to levy personal attacks at me rather than try to talk me through him not being scum.

His appeal to credibility on the skitter townread looks bad in my opinion because as I have said numerous times people are not articulating their A50 reads. Just saying he is town. What is a town supposed to do when you the entire exchange is “I think x is scum. Well I think x is town and y is scum. Well I think y is scum, you should vote x. I’m not gonna vote x, you should vote y.”

RB isn’t trying to discuss anything
Pops is barely trying to discuss anything and wants this game to be easy mode. Can’t we all be lucky to be conftown through setup and sit on top of our high horse
PP never tries to discuss anything and his “case” on BBmolla is like the most solvey thing I have ever seen him do

It sure is nice when your conftown town bloc just sits on their hands

[gobbledygook]

I don’t fault you for it. I’ve seen rand more effort in other games. It’s easy to get complacent when we strung two baddies up and have a sizable conftown pool. It just sucks as not one of those conftown people and then get accused of throwing the game because you’re so incompetent.

This might be something I’ve picked up from RC, but like, there’s actually no place for that in mafia? Ive been transparent about all of my reads this entire time. I don’t see why having a discussion about my reads is something that is less appropriate than levying personal attacks.

Like in A50 eyes, I am either town trying to win. And I clearly do not have mod confirmation that A50 is town (or at least likely town) so me pushing him is something that is coming from a desire to solve the game. OR I am scum and need to look like I’m pushing to play the game. EITHER WAY what I am doing is playing the game to win for my faction. The thing that we ALL signed up to do. I never called A50 bad, incompetent, or any other name.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: A50

I think I’ve said everything I’ve wanted. I’m not saying A59 is a bad player or a mean person. I do think his attack on me is completely unwarranted.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Bob

[gobbledygook]

Bob L-2

[gobbledygook]

You either turbo lynch me today or I go to 3P LyLo and the two other chickens with me are only allowed to cross vote

Those are your options

[gobbledygook]

Why would you not check me....?

[gobbledygook]

PP when the hell are we going to be town together dammit

[gobbledygook]

Well, whatever. My ultimatum still stands. Either turbo lynch me now or send me to LyLo under the condition that I shall not be voted for

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: PP

Poor bird bro

[gobbledygook]

lel if it is A50, but that gif + vote looks like a scum claim

[gobbledygook]

Well, whatever. My ultimatum still stands. Either turbo lynch me now or send me to LyLo under the condition that I shall not be voted for

Uh I don't think I'll be in LyLo

Im mainlytalking to BB molla Frank and A50 with that

Or PP if he is scum who will get there, which is very possible lol

[gobbledygook]

Motion Detector + Psychologist combine to be like 1 investigative. Then there is always the randomness of vig + weak doctor, so it makes sense

but no way do we have 5 roles lol

poor Penguin. He was doing well too

[gobbledygook]

I had a strong suspicion that he had to be scum because when I was casing Frank and A50 I was like literally nothing makes sense with how everyone is reacting to these pushes on them

All the while... that sneaky lil penguin just lurking in the background waiting for his bob mislynch

[gobbledygook]

this setup is effed, it's not remotely fair to scum

burn the witches at the stake!!

[gobbledygook]

PP killed RB to frame me but it only clucked himself in the end, that is some greek level tragedy

[gobbledygook]

i'll be the judge of that PP, i'll read your dirty scum pt notes

[gobbledygook]

I knew the self healing on skitter was too busted to make sense even with a strongman. That thing goes down day 1 and then skitter + bodyguard scorched earth around themselves day to win it

[gobbledygook]

PP teach me how to not be emo when presented with your own impending doom

[gobbledygook]

This post is so amazingly accurate for the context

[gobbledygook]

THERE IT IS

[gobbledygook]

pops don't overthink this

[gobbledygook]

PP can I at least be scum WITH you for o nce


no no actually, don't monkey's paw that.

I want to be TOWN WITH YOU

[gobbledygook]

okay so you're just trolling me then? because you would see skitter dying to me if you and her targeted me n2.

was that 4 scum comment TMI?

[gobbledygook]

I have a bird house, but I can't fit inside anymore

[gobbledygook]

what the cluck

[gobbledygook]

I think PP still loses how this particular game played out N1 and N2, but pops claiming motion detector is exactly like how nomnomnom's Gordon Ramsay game played out at the end with Iconeum randomly claiming as a power role with info that sealed the deal after we had already mass claimed and killed two scum

PP was scum in both too. Rip

[gobbledygook]

I think sans motion detector, this setup is probably a little bit scumsided, but that's ok

[gobbledygook]

I was never supposed to make it this far after my claim D1. Oh well.

It almost worked though!

[gobbledygook]

I try to avoid statements like "would have won" because balance elements can have snowball effects on morale, but I can say like I am in no way ashamed of the town's consensus sort and where PP Nicholai and Looker were in those sorts based on dayplay

I mean I am just saying that even if you had been a vt, this is a hard game for PP to win after N2

[gobbledygook]

I've heard a lot of complaints about normal game review lately and that brings me to ask if setups are being intentionally townsided for WIFOM reasoning?

Like "there's no way this setup is this townsided, x is lying"
*x (pr) gets mislynched* ?

or is it just a matter of differing opinions on balance?

as someone who has gone through nrg twice within the last month, this is most definitely not their intention. They want to balance each game individually, not for some overall systemic balance attempt

[gobbledygook]

Setups are hard to balance. I do believe setups were more scum sided and were over correcting a little now.

This setup wasn’t too bad. Picture the game of the vig shot missed.

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I really hate the setup spec and strong-in-a-boring-way roles of normal queue and almost never play normal queue, but Menalque was moderator for this game so I joined it to attempt to cause menalquesmiles

to be fair, this was definitely the most interesting normal game I've played in thus far, so there's that!

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I'd imagine normals being closed setups gives slight scum advantage so is it in response to that?

I don't know jack about balancing a game.

You know, I never considered that, but yeah you're probably right. They know roughly what type of game/roles to expect

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time to go fuckin' bang my skull on some concrete over how mystifyingly shit people can make setups in the name of BUT OtS so CooL brO

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I will say that I appreciate the time and energy that the NRG put into the normal queue. It is literally a thankless job and it is also fairly labor intensive reading over role pms, rules, and setup design.

I think this game just

barely

missed the ball with the motion detector, but otherwise town played very well day 1/n1 and it pretty much changed the identity of the game

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I am hoping to join the NRG because imo the standard is townsided games atm

What are the reqs to get into the nRG? I actually want to join too, but my setups are all batty

like RB would definitely not want to join one of my pre-reviewed games

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Menalque you me and pops should make a warring faction with the nrg

this one will be called the bnrg

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balanced normal review group



ayoooooooooooo

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we could call ourselves bangers for short

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you could lymch by rng and just have town PRs carry this game 90% of the time

I mean it is entirely possible to go from 13 (10:3) to 9 (6v3) in one fell swoop this game. That's pretty dramatic. In all likelihood that turns into 5v2, but that is still pretty damn hard for town.

It just happened to fall the other way

pedit:

are you guys speculating with a day 1 mass claim you mean?

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I didn’t even notice that he tried to strategically replace out.

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WHAT DO WE WANT!? THE SCUM PT
WHEN DO WE WANT IT!? NOW

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I’m ready

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YES!!! The fortress of saltitude

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scum PT

Everything is a lie