Mini Normal 2139: No Flavor Allowed - Game Over

[Umlaut]

1307 isn't much of a crumb. It doesn't say anything about traffic or analyzing or talking that might indicate that these are anything other than changes in your reads. And there's this:

Evidently, these two reads can change completely depending on the actions of the successors (Looker / Ame). In the case of Looker, I currently have a problem with the formatting of his posts and I don't feel that much transparency coming from him. My problem with Ame is the lack of information on her role that is leaving me completely in the dark.

Why would you say your reads might change when you have hard innos on them?

[Umlaut]

If you wrote something like "After some analysis I realized Looker is town" then I wouldn't dispute that it was a crumb and pretty obviously one for this role specifically, but all you did was say you think they're town.

[Umlaut]

But I still don't see why scum would 1v1 me here when they're not really in a bad position. I don't think clidd was about to get lynched or anything.

[Ircher]

Day 4 VC #2

Looker (0):
Not Voting (7): Auro, Looker, clidd, Zulfy, Blatant Scum, Hoctac, Umlaut (1750)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch a player.

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[clidd]

This was part of my bluff. If you pay attention, I defended Looker and Ame most of the time, even when many people were suspicious of both.

[clidd]

I'm really curious to see how you plan to get out of this.

[clidd]

If you wrote something like "After some analysis I realized Looker is town" then I wouldn't dispute that it was a crumb and pretty obviously one for this role specifically, but all you did was say you think they're town.

Give me some minutes, I'll search the posts.

[Umlaut]

I have zero confidence that there wouldn't be two scum in the neighborhood. Ircher would certainly do that (see this setup proposal where he wanted to put an all-Mafia neighborhood in a mini, though the reviewers pretty much nixed that).

This is why I'm surprised that a setup would have a neighborhood with all three scum in it. But it's also why I can believe Ircher would

propose

a setup with a neighborhood having all three scum in it, and maybe find a way to make it acceptable to the reviewer(s).

[clidd]

Actually, I could've done better. I should've faked a result on you to check your reaction. Fuck.

[clidd]

July 2018, how did you find that ?

[clidd]

You don't have any posts on that topic, how did you find it ?

[Umlaut]

Hoctac, Auro and Zulfy --> Are you guys there ? I would like opinions on who is scum inside the hood.

We're going to use today to scumhunt Umlaut's partner.

I want to townread this but I could really take it either way:

• It seems pro-town to, instead of just saying "CONFSCUM" and voting me, try to make sure we get in a full, productive day.
  
• But if you're scum who knows I'm town, then you are encouraging the town to spend their day on the fundamentally useless exercise of finding my nonexistent partner.

[Umlaut]

July 2018, how did you find that ?

You don't have any posts on that topic, how did you find it ?

I specifically went looking for Ircher's past reviews when the Neighbor-Informed-etc. claims started flying around on day 1, so I could get an idea of just how complicated a setup I was in for.

[Umlaut]

Oh wow, I didn't even remember this post in Ircher's review:

I think we MIGHT be able to get it to work if we added a town neighbor.

[clidd]

I'll wait for the others, then we can talk.

[Umlaut]

Another review of an Ircher setup: Micro Normal review, June 2019

So like.

If you were to run this setup blind, 100 times, maaaaybe it would have a reasonable winrate.

Maybe.

Like, the big question is, will town trust that the Loud Mailmen are town? Will they, in the knowledge that this setup is balanced, assume that the Loud Mailmen are essentially Town Neighborizers?

If they do, sure, this is a fine setup. If they don't, well..... I don't think it's good enough.

Ircher has a history of setups designed to mess with meta-based expectations about neighborhoods and the like. I think the most parsimonious explanation for what I'm seeing today is that clidd is simply telling the truth, and that this is a setup doing exactly that.

[Umlaut]

Adding additional colors here:

magenta

for "in the neighborhood",

cyan

for "out of the neighborhood"

Day 1

Hoctac

(5):

Ame

(10) →

LuckyLuciano

(128) →

Quick

(135) →

brassherald

(719) →

Quick

(839)

Zulfy

(5):

Umlaut

(22) →

LuckyLuciano

(38) →

Quick

(704) →

brassherald

(706) →

Quick

(956*)

Auro

(3):

Umlaut

(23) → [null] (274) →

Quick

(891)

Blatant Scum

(1):

Looker

(190)

Umlaut

(12):

Ame

(7) →

LuckyLuciano

(15) →

Hoctac

(115) →

LuckyLuciano

(125) → [null] (367) →

Zulfy

(380) →

Looker

(463) →

clidd

(566) → [null] (720) →

Quick

(836) →

brassherald

(866) →

Quick

(998*)

clidd

(6):

LuckyLuciano

(30) → [null] (46) →

Hoctac

(86) → [null] (208) →

Looker

(214) → [null] (381)

Looker

(6):

LuckyLuciano

(127) →

Quick

(405) → [null] (576) →

Hoctac

(673) →

Quick

(733) →

brassherald

(841)

Day 2

Hoctac

(1):

brassherald

(1192)

Zulfy

(1):

brassherald

(1209)

Auro

(1):

brassherald

(1195)

Blatant Scum

(0):

Umlaut

(0):

clidd

(0):

Looker

(1):

brassherald

(1250*)

Day 3

Hoctac

(3):

Ame

(1294) → [null] (1295) →

SirCakez

(1729*)

Zulfy

(7):

Ame

(1262) →

clidd

(1394) →

Ame

(1433) →

SirCakez

(1467) →

Looker

(1488) → [null] (1501) →

SirCakez

(1512)

Auro

(0):

Blatant Scum

(1):

SirCakez

(1656)

Umlaut

(3):

Ame

(1428) → [null] (1518) →

Looker

(1577)

clidd

(2):

Blatant Scum

(1395) →

SirCakez

(1470)

Looker

(3):

Hoctac

(1296) →

SirCakez

(1404) →

Ame

(1504)

[clidd]

Umlaut, I expected an emotional reaction from you. You remained very logical to my accusation and reminds me a lot of the 1v1 I had with Monkey in our past game.

[Umlaut]

So, you thought I was scum... but would have been less sure of it... if I had then reacted as you expected?

[Umlaut]

clidd: "If Umlaut is scum, and he is, I expect he'll display an emotional reaction to this."

Umlaut doesn't display an emotional reaction

clidd: "Aha, he defied my expectations, just like scum would!"

[Blatant Scum]

I am a dreamer. That is basically a weakened rolecop - I get to know one ability type my target can perform, excluding nightkill.
If I visit doctor, I get protective. If I visit JOAT (cop, doctor), I get protective or investigative (50% for each result). If I visit mafia goon, I get nothing. If I visit 1-shot cop who used his ablity, I get nothing.

N1: Farside - nothing
N2: Looker - nothing
N3: Umlaut - nothing

This semi-clears Umlaut, because a goon is dead and I except mafia to not have >1 goons.

[Blatant Scum]

I would like an opinion on these messages:

Looker cannot privately communicate with other players.

Ame cannot privately communicate with other players.

Blatant Scum cannot privately communicate with other players.

That is correct. I am a traitor. I don't have any PT.

[Umlaut]

Um

Is that even a normal role?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

I don't see it anywhere in this list.

[Umlaut]

That is correct. I am a traitor. I don't have any PT.

Er

[Umlaut]

Did you just claim scum or am I missing something here