Mini Theme 2198: Animals Upick 2 [Game Over]

[Raya36]

VOTE: PenguinPower

[Raya36]

Alright, I got dog, which was my first option.

Well this comes to 0 surprise

[Raya36]

Reptiles, aquatic, yeah

i was the sample Role PM here in Animal's Upick 1, an Orca, and i had stuff i could only be targeted by Underwater or the like, and there was reptile only.

I'm a dragon, rawr! watch me fly through the sky breathing fire

Yeah, I don't see what was scummy about that suggestion?

[Raya36]

Absolutely

[Raya36]

Did I miss Koalawang?? Better late than never

[Raya36]

i am a dragon fly, ninja visitor, kinda useless from my pov, and i have no intention of putting that much effort into this game, so go forth with my fade

You just said not to claim flavour??

[Raya36]

it's not a real claim

Maybe not but still a weird post coming from someone discouraging claims

[Raya36]

UNVOTE:

what is koalawang?

why did everyone apparently make a list of animals? i just picked 1 animal

I made a list just incase my animal was too close to someone else's but I got my top pick anyway

[Raya36]

eh - not considering the player

I don't know them so I'll just take your word for now

[Raya36]

mine

Congrats

[Raya36]

what is koalawang? do we get a prize?

No idea but I hope I didn't just sign up for something I'll regret

[Raya36]

I'm assuming Koalawang is either useless or good. If it's bad why would someone want to openly start it in thread

[Raya36]

Use the image tags as normal but with a gif link

[Raya36]

LET'S PLAY KOALAWANG!!!!

I'm assuming Koalawang is either useless or good. If it's bad why would someone want to openly start it in thread

that's true, Smoke and Mirrors started it so maybe he can explain.

We weren’t actually told the specifics, only that he had to play in the first 72 hrs and maybe the best koala gifs nets you Krazybucks or something? It’s a Krazy game, so probably something really good for the winner, probably?

Is it a one time thing?

[Raya36]

Spoiler: Here's another gif to make Smoke & Mirrors feel better about nobody participating :(

[Raya36]

Wth - that’s two people stealing my koala gifs

I have two scumreads whemestar.

Oops, take it as a compliment

[Raya36]

IT IS!

[Raya36]

Ok finnnnne, I'll do my best to not steal Penguin's gifs

Spoiler: Better than Penguin's gifs anyway

[Raya36]

Spoiler: Cooler koala than Penguin's

[Raya36]

Spoiler: Cuter koala than Penguin's

[Raya36]

I must confess I don't quite understand the point of this tirade of marsupials other than one of distraction from the object to find anti-town aligned players.

Yeah, good point. I'll stop now

[Raya36]

I'll join you on Wheme, Fuzzy

VOTE: Wheme

[Raya36]

Do you have any reads WhemeStar?

[Raya36]

Congratulations Penguin, a battle well fought.

[Raya36]

Now that that's over here's a few reads

Fuzzy, penguin, mad hatters town. Maybe S&M?

Wheme, mastina scum

[Raya36]

I almost never do associative reads D1

[Raya36]

I believe Korina's claim and I also believe the role would be town aligned.

[Raya36]

WhemeStar has looked incredibly town--tho I lack familiarity, the more and more WhemeStar posts the more I see town. In fact it's probably best to say that WhemeStar and Battle Mage's positions should be reversed: Whemestar as locktown with Battle Mage north of null but not in the same locktown tier as WhemeStar and Smoke/Mirrors and

How can you locktown whemestar?

[Raya36]

Mastina is almost certainly scum here tbh. I'm way overgamed giving my time with school going hybrid.
I will not be active this game regardless of alignment so shove shitty arguments about my activity down your throat. They do not apply.
Read up can't remember if I got shit about my activity here or somewhere else. I fucking can't remember but anyways we're getting that out of the way.

Aside from that, Korina is null for me.
I want to see some obvtown from mastina but I am certain that her weird reads, bad reasoning surrounding her read on me, and her lack of obvtownness mean she is scum here.

Her reads aren't terrible but putting me low isn't a masting thing to do.
Bad reasoning is not a tell but for mastina who explains all her reads in ginormous informative paragraphs, this isn't it.
Her lack of obvtownness is concerning. Normally mastina as town never gets heat on day 1 but people are questioning it here and I think that is a huge red flag.

She called me scum the moment she entered the thread and it was a STRONG read, yes?
Why didnt she vote me?

Too many problems with this slot.
I think there is a 75% possibility she is scum but nows the time to obvtown if ur town, massy(I adopted this nickname from johnnyfarrar btw)

VOTE: Mastina

I don't know Mastina's play super well but there were a few things throwing me off about her slot. It felt like some of her latest longer posts weren't saying a lot while still being a lot

[Raya36]

I believe Korina's claim and I also believe the role would be town aligned.

This amuses me, for linguistic reasons.

WhemeStar has looked incredibly town--tho I lack familiarity, the more and more WhemeStar posts the more I see town. In fact it's probably best to say that WhemeStar and Battle Mage's positions should be reversed: Whemestar as locktown with Battle Mage north of null but not in the same locktown tier as WhemeStar and Smoke/Mirrors and

How can you locktown whemestar?

I do believe that this is simply Mastinas' method of sorting. That I have witnessed it has proven to be quite effective and is certainly something to aspire to. Those locktown reads of hers do remain conditional; it just takes a much greater effort for them to be shaken free of their status.

I guess I kinda said the same thing twice there

But why Whemestar, it couldn't be anything but tonal from his posts so far?

[Raya36]

I don't see that being out of scum range though

[Raya36]

No, I know that. I'm just saying nothing he has done is deserving of a lock town read

[Raya36]

I personally would not lock a town read this early; Mastina appears to be gauging people upon their entrance to the game and going from there.

I'm wondering why mastina townreads him though

[Raya36]

How can you locktown whemestar?

Because while I lack the familiarity with WhemeStar as scum, everything WhemeStar is doing and posting radiates town in a way that I don't see as coming from scum.

Basically, there's three metrics by which I read players (in reverse order of how I normally present them):
Peer Pressure/Popular Opinion influence, where I take the reads of players who I respect the capabilities of and think to be town into consideration; if I think these players who I respect are town and they are saying something, I'm influenced by their position. (Not relevant.)

Meta influence, where I am influenced by a player's meta--I lack this on WhemeStar.

And general generic metrics, the initial universal standard, but which can be changed and influenced by the other two (some generic towntells are either much stronger towntells for specific players or even scumtells for specific players; some generic scumtells are either much stronger scumtells for specific players or even towntells for specific players, thus the use of meta influence and peer pressure)--by the general generic metric, WhemeStar is literally as town as it gets.

I realize I lack the meta experience to tell if that generic townplay is actually town.
But lacking said meta experience, I am going to call that townplay as being town.

This is why I scumread you. I ask about why you townread whemestar and you go into detail explaining how you come up with your reads without telling me a single thing about why you townread whemestar. Why does whemestar radiate town to you? What about him do you like? How is he town by the general generic metric?

[Raya36]

It's confirmed singleball

[Raya36]

Why does whemestar radiate town to you? What about him do you like? How is he town by the general generic metric?

Wheme's entrance into the rvs was fluid and organic--it looked like a town-rvs post.

WhemeStar participated in koalawang, struggling with gifs but went out of their way to try in spite of this issue--it'd be easy to go "I don't know how to post gifs" and then use that as an excuse to not try; WhemeStar tried, multiple times.

WhemeStar was having fun during the rvs--casual, laid back, relaxed, effortless and fluid posting. This is very very hard for scum to pull off well, but it's very clear that WhemeStar was enjoying himself.

When it came to content, his vote was a good one. While I personally don't have TFL as a scumread, off of TFL's overall-lackluster content I can see where WhemeStar was coming from.

Overall, the fun vibes, the chill atmosphere, the casual laid back nature while still trying to produce content and have reads (like an initial struggle to get scumreads) radiates town energy as strongly as is possible with no meta on a slot.

I don't really get why putting in an effort to play koalawang is necessarily town. I agree that he is coming off naturally, although I don't really consider that something difficult for scum early game, especially when the start of the game is like a long rvs.

[Raya36]

I am

SNOW LEOPARD

Town Godfather

Adorable, I absolutely approve of the flavour choice.

So does being a town godfather make you investigate as scum?

[Raya36]

There are no jesters. This is single ball. Pretty sure Noraa tells the truth here

[Raya36]

The king thinks mastina is white knighting me

I asked and bugged her about it so idk

[Raya36]

so, question: why town godfather?

like, coroner for dog makes sense, since you bury a body in a hole, and dogs dig holes, so it'd make sense i'd dig up our last elim, but how does someone who appears innocent while being scum make sense for a snow leopard?

My role and flavour don't line up very well. I wouldn't worry too much about them matching

[Raya36]

If S&M tells the truth they're probably a town role? I mean if this was a scum role it wouldn't make sense because scum don't want to give the prize to town, and it would be too obvious to always give the prize to your teammates, especially if you flip. Unless S&M are lying and know the prize always affects them so it wouldn't really matter who wins to some extent.

[Raya36]

If S&M tells the truth they're probably a town role? I mean if this was a scum role it wouldn't make sense because scum don't want to give the prize to town, and it would be too obvious to always give the prize to your teammates, especially if you flip. Unless S&M are lying and know the prize always affects them so it wouldn't really matter who wins to some extent.

This is very poor logic and you should rethink it

I don't see the point of this being a scum role?

[Raya36]

King is saying if your actually tree stumped you changing your vote proves it by it not moving on the next vote count

If you want to miselim me when Krazy just literally told me I am not allowed to unvote Korina for the remainder of this day phase, that’s on you. I’m not disobeying Krazy.

I don't like the refusal to vote somewhere else to prove the prize

[Raya36]

Ask him what happens if you unvote

You’re right, I wouldn’t be modkilled, however my Koalawang role woud be cancelled.

Actually now I'm starting to doubt S&M. I don't believe this

[Raya36]

King is saying if your actually tree stumped you changing your vote proves it by it not moving on the next vote count

If you want to miselim me when Krazy just literally told me I am not allowed to unvote Korina for the remainder of this day phase, that’s on you. I’m not disobeying Krazy.

I don't like the refusal to vote somewhere else to prove the prize

Tomorrow will provide proof as I believe the prize will differ. They have stated voting elsewhere will negate their power and yet be counted. You either take them at their word, or you do not.

Guess there isn't much choice but to take their word for it today and hope tomorrow brings proof

[Raya36]

If S&M tells the truth they're probably a town role? I mean if this was a scum role it wouldn't make sense because scum don't want to give the prize to town, and it would be too obvious to always give the prize to your teammates, especially if you flip. Unless S&M are lying and know the prize always affects them so it wouldn't really matter who wins to some extent.

This is very poor logic and you should rethink it

I don't see the point of this being a scum role?

The role is less of a utility role and more of a theatrical one
I see relatively equal benefit in it being town or scum from a purely mechanical pov


This aside, the actual logic you used is pretty poor and it should be noted that this is a theme game and strange roles will be present just because

I'm probably just overthinking it then

[Raya36]

Ask him what happens if you unvote

You’re right, I wouldn’t be modkilled, however my Koalawang role woud be cancelled.

Actually now I'm starting to doubt S&M. I don't believe this

Ask Krazy. He obviously can’t confirm anything about my role to you but ask him what he does to players who ignore post restrictions. Hopefully that will put an end to this nonsense once and for all.

Sure, why not

@Mod, what happens if someone fails to follow a post restriction?

[Raya36]

I'm pretty sure Nora is town both for claim and play

[Raya36]

How does penguins fake reaction in response to Nora push make me scum

You make the king sad Nora

MEOW

Last I checked bears don't meow

[Raya36]

MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOWMEOWMEOWMEOW!
VOTE: mastina

You think mastina is scum for agreeing with your read? I'm a bit confused?

[Raya36]

A quick announcement that we've got everything we need, and i'm happy to continue running the game.

Thanks for taking over

[Raya36]

Your minimal use of words is making it rather difficult to see your thought process in any detail

Absolutely agree with this sentiment on Rathe.

@Rathe, do you have a post restriction? I believe the setup info says there won't be any restrictions that drastically affect how you can play but I don't understand your lack of words.

[Raya36]

While I don't like Rathe's post style I think it's probably just NAI. I don't see why scum would intentionally play scummy besides wifom but that's clearly not working out. Withholding info by minimizing the words used in a post just isn't a good strategy and there are better ways to say less and still blend in

[Raya36]

I have a coroner/janitor question related to the chances of Korina lying.

Let's say Korina is lying and is actually a janitor like Fuzzy suggested. If Korina was tracked would they be seen as visiting the dead player?

[Raya36]

I think April might be town here.

Why?

[Raya36]

Raya do you still want the king dead?

Bear with me because this will be the worst logic you have ever heard because I'm exhausted and can barely keep my eyes open.

I like some of mastina's logic about you.

Why does whemestar radiate town to you? What about him do you like? How is he town by the general generic metric?

Wheme's entrance into the rvs was fluid and organic--it looked like a town-rvs post.

WhemeStar participated in koalawang, struggling with gifs but went out of their way to try in spite of this issue--it'd be easy to go "I don't know how to post gifs" and then use that as an excuse to not try; WhemeStar tried, multiple times.

WhemeStar was having fun during the rvs--casual, laid back, relaxed, effortless and fluid posting. This is very very hard for scum to pull off well, but it's very clear that WhemeStar was enjoying himself.

When it came to content, his vote was a good one. While I personally don't have TFL as a scumread, off of TFL's overall-lackluster content I can see where WhemeStar was coming from.

Overall, the fun vibes, the chill atmosphere, the casual laid back nature while still trying to produce content and have reads (like an initial struggle to get scumreads) radiates town energy as strongly as is possible with no meta on a slot.

While I don't think going out of your way to participate in a game is town-indicative, nor do I think being natural is necessarily out of scum-range for most people, but I do agree that you have been consistently natural which does lean me towards town.

Also he has scumhunted.
In particular you may note that WhemeStar has pushed me as being scum.

Some players pushing me as scum when I am defending them? Not a towntell for them. If they are an FL-style player, they would be unafraid to make a push on me as scum even if I am not pushing them.
Most players pushing me as scum when I am defending them? Town. So long as they aren't an FL-style player, the paranoia is more likely to come from town especially since scum that aren't FL-style players are intimidated by me. (At my highest highs, I am a legitimate threat so incurring my wrath isn't something they're likely to risk unless they have no choice. Actively scumreading me when I'm defending them is a way to potentially reverse my wrong read into a right one, thus, not something a scum player is likely to do unless they're FL-style players.)

As long as what mastina says is true about most players pushing them as scum when she defends them are town then I don't think this is horrible logic either. The reasoning does make sense.

My problem is that I really do not trust mastina this game. And this is where the horrible logic comes in. If mastina is scum I doubt she defends her scumbuddy like this, meaning by association I would put you as town. If mastina is town then there is of course the factor of her being wrong but I'm finding I'm agreeing with her points to an extent and only not trusting her posts in general because I think she could be scum. So with a town!mastina I would likely be fully agreeing and putting you as town. So basically by the most roundabout weird and illogical way to read you, I think you're town now.

UNVOTE:

[Raya36]

Oh, I didn't realize your claim was actually 100% serious. In that case disregard that

[Raya36]

laying out thoughts can be targeted by mafia

The way you're playing is anti-town

[Raya36]

Claimed

town might be weak, but I assure you that

softclaimed

town is in fact appropriately strong. My role is legit ridiculously so strong it can singlehandedly win the town the game. Which is why I am so confident scum WILL kill me. (But while softing my role is all good and well, I do want to reiterate that hardclaiming it would actually be very bad on D1.)

I don't like all this softclaiming of having such a super strong role. This isn't how town handles having a strong PR on day 1

[Raya36]

As long as what mastina says is true about most players pushing them as scum when she defends them are town then I don't think this is horrible logic either. The reasoning does make sense.

My problem is that I really do not trust mastina this game. And this is where the horrible logic comes in. If mastina is scum I doubt she defends her scumbuddy like this, meaning by association I would put you as town. If mastina is town then there is of course the factor of her being wrong but I'm finding I'm agreeing with her points to an extent and only not trusting her posts in general because I think she could be scum. So with a town!mastina I would likely be fully agreeing and putting you as town. So basically by the most roundabout weird and illogical way to read you, I think you're town now.

ew

I had a disclaimer that the logic was horrible for a reason

[Raya36]

We are either flipping scum mastina today or we are flipping claimed SK flavorleaf

There can't be a SK

[Raya36]

arent mafia careful with votes so u catch them later

Yes but voting a lot or using it as your main tool doesn't make you town either

[Raya36]

y i have to change

You may do it but we have no proof of that. For all we know you're just blindly sheeping the vote and trying to stay under the radar. While scumhunting and sorting players is a major part of the game, another thing you need to realize is that other people are trying to sort you as much as you're trying to sort them. By being more vocal and transparent we are able to get a better read on you and if you're town we'll hopefully be able to see that. You're no use as town no matter how great of a scumhunter you are if you always get scumread and eliminated.

Another thing is if you truly believe someone is mafia you should want to convince others of that as well. If you want someone eliminated or just pressured you need to make sure the rest of town is on the same page as you.

I understand the struggle of not speaking much. What I found helped me was anytime I had even the smallest thought about the game, a person in the game, an event, or anything I would write it out and post even if it felt insignificant

[Raya36]

Only 2 days left and I have no idea who I want to eliminate

[Raya36]

I'd be ok with battle mage. I don't see anything towny from them and I'm townreading a lot of people this game

VOTE: Battle Mage

[Raya36]

I don't like the main wagons. mastina I could do but I don't think she's a smart D1 elim

[Raya36]

what do you like about rathe?

Rathe seems like lhf for scum right now. The way they're posting seems NAI

[Raya36]

Just notice all of the Rathe votes minus wheme have suddenly jumped on the BM wagon and I am not sure what to make of that

Well if we're going with Rathe is lhf and everyone moved to Battle Mage I guess we could come to the conclusion mafia are also fine with a battle mage elim.
UNVOTE:

[Raya36]

1) they jumped on a quick wagon
2) they have not explained why as far as I know
3) the voted Rathe which seems like an easy mislynch

who is they?

do you think the entire scum team is just bloc voting from 1 person to another? lol

I think there's at least 1 or 2 scum that were on Rathe and then switched over

[Raya36]

heat on Rathe was really dumb, so agree with LHF classification. low content doesn't mean scum. so let's say:

town: Fuzzylogic, Rathe, Madhatters

I was the first to call Rathe lhf

[Raya36]

Just notice all of the Rathe votes minus wheme have suddenly jumped on the BM wagon and I am not sure what to make of that

Well if we're going with Rathe is lhf and everyone moved to Battle Mage I guess we could come to the conclusion mafia are also fine with a battle mage elim.
UNVOTE:

That would imply mastina scum

I do think mastina is scum but I have enough doubt that I don't want to eliminate mastina D1 after her softclaims

[Raya36]

heat on Rathe was really dumb, so agree with LHF classification. low content doesn't mean scum. so let's say:

town: Fuzzylogic, Rathe, Madhatters

I was the first to call Rathe lhf

i hadnt read that bit when i posted that - recognised subsequently, you were the pre-eminent rathe-defender

Saw that after my post

[Raya36]

PenguinPower - that's not a valid assessment. scum tend to want to mis-elim town but not have their fingerprints on the trigger - hence moving from 1 town wagon to another sometimes to avoid being on the mis-elim wagon/most prominent wagon.

you could be right, you could be wrong, but pretend you're definitely right is faking a level of confidence which is impossible for you to have.

I agree with this analysis more than Penguin's

[Raya36]

hold on a minute, if Korina is coroner, and Whemestar is janitor, doesn't that mean Whemestar is scum? why would you have a town janitor?

but whemestar claimed janitor voluntarily, so there must be something mech-wise i don't understand. can anyone explain?

I assumed negative utility which could make sense I think

[Raya36]

I understand the struggle of not speaking much. What I found helped me was anytime I had even the smallest thought about the game, a person in the game, an event, or anything I would write it out and post even if it felt insignificant

this is good thank u i will try to do this

Great, glad I could help

[Raya36]

i like mad hatters fuzzy raya and battle mage
i think they are town

I'm actually in agreement with all these reads which is a good sign

[Raya36]

Just notice all of the Rathe votes minus wheme have suddenly jumped on the BM wagon and I am not sure what to make of that

Well if we're going with Rathe is lhf and everyone moved to Battle Mage I guess we could come to the conclusion mafia are also fine with a battle mage elim.
UNVOTE:

That would imply mastina scum

I do think mastina is scum but I have enough doubt that I don't want to eliminate mastina D1 after her softclaims

Mastina’s currently a null for me. Can someone tell me why she’s scum here?

Her play has felt really weird and tonally off. I have noticed a few times she would post long contentless posts. The first half of 328 as an example. Also 411 really bothered me because it was a super long post avoiding my actual question. It felt like she was hoping I would take it for an answer and let her skate by without actually explaining that read. I also very much do not agree with her most recent readslist.

[Raya36]

I don't like all this softclaiming of having such a super strong role. This isn't how town handles having a strong PR on day 1

It is when you know what the role is and the player handling it.

I can get away with softing it because scum can't do anything about it.

Claiming the role is sub-optimal D1, but it doesn't really matter

that

much--the play is mostly the same regardless of whether I claim it, don't claim it with softclaims, or don't claim it with no claims. I just prefer the middle option because I like to.

I guarantee that were I to claim you would know why I've said everything I have and agree with it, that everything I said was true, that there isn't MUCH of a difference between me claiming it and not claiming it, but that I am right in my assessment that while it doesn't matter much, claiming it on D1 is still notably suboptimal to not claiming it.

Plus, scum aren't gonna

actually

guess my role in spite of the softclaims. They can't. I am so confident that they can't guess my role that it allows me that freedom to softclaim all I like. I can be as blatant as I want with my soft; the scum still won't know what hits 'em until I fullclaim.

If you're scum and using this for survival then I'm fine with leaving you be until D2, but I still think you're scummy so maybe D2 would be a good day to claim considering it doesn't make much of a difference

[Raya36]

Superb Subtlety are clearly town here--given my slight doubt in Smoke/Mirrors, I actually am thinking of backing them up. In many ways, they're the inverse to Smoke/Mirrors: instead of starting strong and degrading to 'okay', they started 'okay' and have gotten stronger and stronger later into the day.

Can you explain what's clearly town about superb subtlety?

[Raya36]

Oh I forgot to mention: reminder that I am V/LA and reminder that I am also depressed and don't truly want to post here but I feel obligated to in a moment like this where I can squeeze it in.

Wishing you well

[Raya36]

If you're scum and using this for survival then I'm fine with leaving you be until D2, but I still think you're scummy so maybe D2 would be a good day to claim considering it doesn't make much of a difference

I mean there's a chance I won't need to--if the mod confirms my claim publicly inthread for me, no need for me to do so.

It's not a surefire thing to happen, but there's a reasonably decent chance of it happening.

Well, in that case if there is no confirmation of your role then I'd like you to claim D2.

Superb Subtlety are clearly town here--given my slight doubt in Smoke/Mirrors, I actually am thinking of backing them up. In many ways, they're the inverse to Smoke/Mirrors: instead of starting strong and degrading to 'okay', they started 'okay' and have gotten stronger and stronger later into the day.

Can you explain what's clearly town about superb subtlety?

Well in short: dozens of dozens of games with jjh, but also: the later and later into the day we go, the stronger and stronger his play becomes. The early push on Korina was incredibly promising, and it is one that he clearly believed was good, and kept on going about.

The superb subtlety - smoke/mirrors bout was another thing that looked incredibly town. The needling and prodding from jjh was in a way that I don't think is from scum. The interaction was one that just evolved in a way that makes me think town. jjh has been consistently pushing people, and ironically, doing so in a way that's similar to you. Look at your iso and the way you've pushed people like Rathe. Then look at jjh's iso and see how he's pushed players, including Rathe. It's not identical but it is incredibly similar. If you're town as I am assuming, you should have a basic grasp on why your pushes look town, so apply that logic to jjh's pushes and it becomes more clear.

Alright, I'll take that into consideration when reading the slot from here on out. Thanks for the explanation!

[Raya36]

Just notice all of the Rathe votes minus wheme have suddenly jumped on the BM wagon and I am not sure what to make of that

Well if we're going with Rathe is lhf and everyone moved to Battle Mage I guess we could come to the conclusion mafia are also fine with a battle mage elim.
UNVOTE:

That would imply mastina scum

I do think mastina is scum but I have enough doubt that I don't want to eliminate mastina D1 after her softclaims

Mastina’s currently a null for me. Can someone tell me why she’s scum here?

Her play has felt really weird and tonally off. I have noticed a few times she would post long contentless posts. The first half of 328 as an example. Also 411 really bothered me because it was a super long post avoiding my actual question. It felt like she was hoping I would take it for an answer and let her skate by without actually explaining that read. I also very much do not agree with her most recent readslist.

Which reads specifically? That list didn’t help me at all. I also don’t understand her tr me because mod confirmed role but practically locktowning slots who are questioning it.

S&M, and SS as locktown
Penguin as a townlean
Fuzzy as null (I TR)
Rathe as a scumlean
Don't feel like Korina or April have done anything significantly scummy

[Raya36]

I still think Fuzzy is town and I don't want the elim to be there

[Raya36]

I'd be ok with April, Penguin, Korina, maybe mastina, maybe superb but I think I'd have a better chance at sorting them properly later on than the others I've listed

[Raya36]

Take out Korina actually.

VOTE: Penguin

[Raya36]

Yeah, now you're in my poe because I town read other people much stronger.

[Raya36]

You think Korina is lying about the coroner claim?

[Raya36]

I don’t think that it’s ai and I’m not a fan of the contribution today.

I wouldn't think it's AI either if it wasn't for the matching janitor claim.

[Raya36]

You think Korina is lying about the coroner claim?

Just calling this out for later in case I go to sleep and can no longer post - but your thoughts on the korina/whemestar claims are very weird given your stance on korina and wheme with the later retraction of korina.

Your having lots of townreads and shifting them around without much explanation besides POE and strength is weird as well.

If I’m not dead for whatever reason - probably gonna look into you.

I forgot about Korina's claim and was going to place a vote there but skimmed their iso and saw that.

[Raya36]

I think with the claims it's worth leaving them until the next day. If there is a janitor we'll know because we won't see the flip. And if korina is a coroner they'll be able to give info.

[Raya36]

If Korina tells the truth their role is beneficial though

I don't know for sure that there is a janitor or if Wheme is telling the truth. But tomorrow can tell us if there being a janitor in the game is true which would support town!wheme. Why would scum claim janitor.

[Raya36]

Alright, I'll be around tomorrow before deadline

[Raya36]

It is me personal opinion, that in the little time we have available to us we need to compromise and quickly.

I am willing to exile April, Tigger and Wheme. The reasons being "whom?", "By the heavens, stop bouncing!", and "janitor", respectively.

I do not see how a janitor can be a role that is town aligned.

I'm willing to eliminate April.

VOTE: April

[Raya36]

I'll compromise to Fuzzy if I have to to get an elimination but I think he flips town still. I still scumread mastina but her claim to be potentially confirmable tomorrow makes me want to leave her until then.

I remember Fuzzy stood out to me as someone scumhunting early game when everyone was distracted by Koalawang and the typical early game fluff which gave him an early townread from me. His sorting seemed to be genuine and I'm not really seeing the part about him looking for pushes rather than scum-indicative stuff. An example was the early mastina read where she was acting scummy imo but got a townread from Fuzzy for those same reasons. Fuzzy also disagreed with the Rathe wagon who seemed like lhf to me. If he was scum mastina (assuming they aren't partners) would be a good push for him, especially since he has expressed concern there already.

[Raya36]

Fair,

Reasons for April
-Mastina is a bad D1 elimination, especially with her soft and claims of being confirmable
-Fuzzy is likely to flip town and also a bad elimination

-The whole "you should eliminate me" act with the self vote felt very fake
-The vote for mastina was bad. You can't expect a good reaction when you essentially say this is a reaction test for specifically this thing
-Besides the little pushes on mastina the only thing they have done is question what a post saying "HISSSSSSSSSSS" meant

[Raya36]

I do agree that his early towniness has fizzled out a bit. That's why I'll be happy to compromise there if I need to. I'm just not convinced

[Raya36]

VOTE: Fuzzy

I don't want a no-elim. If anyone wants to try to get a wagon on April I'll be more than happy to switch back over

[Raya36]

I was very wrong about Fuzzy, my bad. I guess I was reading too much into his early play and not so much into his later play. Since I guess scum would know this now I'm going to claim that I started a neighborhood with Fuzzy. He was a bit on the quiet side in the PT so maybe I should have caught on to that but he was also a little on the quieter side in the thread so I didn't think too much into it.

In the PT Fuzzy said that he town reads Mastina off the top of his head but said he's usually wrong early game. We were also agreeing there that she would be a bad D1 kill for town. He also said that Nora is obvtown based on role.

I asked about Penguin and April. Hadn't sorted Penguin yet and April was kind of a 50/50.

[Raya36]

sorry raya

No need to apologize

[Raya36]

A PLUME OF FLAMES APPEARS ON THE HORIZON

Nobody died in the night.

ACTIVE -- Day 2 Afternoon Sniper -- On Day 2, in the AFTERNOON phase (after the first 72 hours), you may target a player with a killing action. If that player dies, they will show as being killed with

blown away by a high caliber rifle

So I am now doubly conftown from this.

Claim: Phoenix, 1x (publicly announced when consumed) Bulletproof Day and Night Bodyguard

.

During the night, I target a player--that player is, explicitly, protected from harm for that night

and the following day

. (Which means Superb Subtlety cannot die today.) The presence of a scum dayvig confirms that my bodyguard's day-protection ability is real and town.

The announcement was posted, so I was shot last night--

I protected Superb Subtlety N1

. (My role doesn't differentiate between me being directly shot and me being shot in the process of protecting someone, but chances are given the suspicion on me yesterday that I stopped a kill by the scum who tried to shoot Superb Subtlety.)

My NAR priority ranking is 7.

I told you the scum wouldn't be able to stop me and would be caught off-guard.

Sounds pretty solid to me

[Raya36]

So there's a good chance if we elim S&M/MHTP then eliminate the other if the first flips town we'll get scum? I am a little worried though because S&M sounds very genuine

[Raya36]

Any other mechanical stuff worth mentioning, Raya?

All for now

[Raya36]

So there's a good chance if we elim S&M/MHTP then eliminate the other if the first flips town we'll get scum? I am a little worried though because S&M sounds very genuine

I fail to see your logic, Raya, and while this does send my tea cold, it raises the question of your motivations here.

Logic being you're lying about your guilty but I suppose that it would be much more likely something was tampered with mechanically considering your claim. After reading more I retract that

[Raya36]

I'm definitely wanting an S&M elim today. And I agree we shouldn't end the day very soon. We can still use this time for other discussion

[Raya36]

I was very wrong about Fuzzy, my bad. I guess I was reading too much into his early play and not so much into his later play. Since I guess scum would know this now I'm going to claim that I started a neighborhood with Fuzzy. He was a bit on the quiet side in the PT so maybe I should have caught on to that but he was also a little on the quieter side in the thread so I didn't think too much into it.

In the PT Fuzzy said that he town reads Mastina off the top of his head but said he's usually wrong early game. We were also agreeing there that she would be a bad D1 kill for town. He also said that Nora is obvtown based on role.

I asked about Penguin and April. Hadn't sorted Penguin yet and April was kind of a 50/50.

What PT? Why did you wait until now to mention this?

I started a neighborhood with Fuzzy. But you already knew that. When was I supposed to mention this?

[Raya36]

Oh and for flavour I'm a black-footed cat

Spoiler:

[Raya36]

The king is entertained.

VOTE: Raya

Which are considered more deadly than lions

[Raya36]

You asked to make yourself appear uninformed. Fuzzy already told you that in the scum PT

[Raya36]

That's Rathe, not me ??

[Raya36]

How would I know that? The recent claims are suggesting you're scum with Fuzzy. And I highly doubt Fuzzy kept our neighborhood to himself. And your post made no sense. "What PT" it's in the claim in the post you quoted. "Why did I wait until now to mention this" why would I claim before having reason to?

Sounds to me you're fishing to see if there's more info about my role.

[Raya36]

How would I know that? The recent claims are suggesting you're scum with Fuzzy. And I highly doubt Fuzzy kept our neighborhood to himself. And your post made no sense. "What PT" it's in the claim in the post you quoted. "Why did I wait until now to mention this" why would I claim before having reason to?

Sounds to me you're fishing to see if there's more info about my role.

When did the neighbourize happen and why did I not hear about it before now? You can lie all you want but this is the first I’ve heard of it. I’m not “fishing” for anything other than why you’re lying about this?

What makes you think I'm lying?

[Raya36]

S&M may not have been neighborized because of some sort of roleblocker targeting MHTP as an example. So it is true that that's the reason it's a guilty but it's not a 100% definite guilty because there's room for someone tampering with the action

[Raya36]

How would I know that? The recent claims are suggesting you're scum with Fuzzy. And I highly doubt Fuzzy kept our neighborhood to himself. And your post made no sense. "What PT" it's in the claim in the post you quoted. "Why did I wait until now to mention this" why would I claim before having reason to?

Sounds to me you're fishing to see if there's more info about my role.

When did the neighbourize happen and why did I not hear about it before now? You can lie all you want but this is the first I’ve heard of it. I’m not “fishing” for anything other than why you’re lying about this?

What makes you think I'm lying?

You’re saying something I know for a fact isn’t true. You may or may not actually be lying but you’re still wrong.

What specifically do you think I'm lying about?

[Raya36]

How would I know that? The recent claims are suggesting you're scum with Fuzzy. And I highly doubt Fuzzy kept our neighborhood to himself. And your post made no sense. "What PT" it's in the claim in the post you quoted. "Why did I wait until now to mention this" why would I claim before having reason to?

Sounds to me you're fishing to see if there's more info about my role.

When did the neighbourize happen and why did I not hear about it before now? You can lie all you want but this is the first I’ve heard of it. I’m not “fishing” for anything other than why you’re lying about this?

What makes you think I'm lying?

You’re saying something I know for a fact isn’t true. You may or may not actually be lying but you’re still wrong.

What specifically do you think I'm lying about?

I’m saying that I don’t know for sure whether you’re lying or not but what you’re saying I 100% know is false. I had no knowledge of you neighbourizing TFL, until you literally posted that itt and you’re insisting the converse. I’m already getting run up. What possibly do you think I’d have to gain by lying about this?

I have no info telling me that you had knowledge of the neighborhood. I am saying this because the recent claims suggest that you're scum. Since Fuzzy was scum and knew about the neighborhood it is almost guaranteed that Fuzzy told his scumbuddies which seems to include you. I believe you're asking me those questions about my role to either appear uninformed and confused or to try to fish for more info from my role.

Me saying that you knew about our neighborhood is not me lying or claiming anything. I am simply stating that I strongly believe you're scum and know about the role from Fuzzy.

[Raya36]

How would I know that? The recent claims are suggesting you're scum with Fuzzy. And I highly doubt Fuzzy kept our neighborhood to himself. And your post made no sense. "What PT" it's in the claim in the post you quoted. "Why did I wait until now to mention this" why would I claim before having reason to?

Sounds to me you're fishing to see if there's more info about my role.

When did the neighbourize happen and why did I not hear about it before now? You can lie all you want but this is the first I’ve heard of it. I’m not “fishing” for anything other than why you’re lying about this?

What makes you think I'm lying?

You’re saying something I know for a fact isn’t true. You may or may not actually be lying but you’re still wrong.

What specifically do you think I'm lying about?

I’m saying that I don’t know for sure whether you’re lying or not but what you’re saying I 100% know is false. I had no knowledge of you neighbourizing TFL, until you literally posted that itt and you’re insisting the converse. I’m already getting run up. What possibly do you think I’d have to gain by lying about this?

I have no info telling me that you had knowledge of the neighborhood. I am saying this because the recent claims suggest that you're scum. Since Fuzzy was scum and knew about the neighborhood it is almost guaranteed that Fuzzy told his scumbuddies which seems to include you. I believe you're asking me those questions about my role to either appear uninformed and confused or to try to fish for more info from my role.

Me saying that you knew about our neighborhood is not me lying or claiming anything. I am simply stating that I strongly believe you're scum and know about the role from Fuzzy.

Well I did not know and you can keep spinning that bs until hell freezes over for all I care. You want to think I’m lying about this because why? You think anyone is seriously going to care that I didn’t know about the neighbourize and ignore the alleged guilty claim?

No which is why I think you're fishing

[Raya36]

Raya for inexplicably accusing me of rolefishing. Like she’s OOH claiming that I clearly knew about TFL’s neighbourize but then she’s also then not accusing me of saying that to derail my elim but lololol somehow try to “rolefish” her

. Like make up your mind ffs. Yoi either think I’m lying about the neighbourize or you don’t. If you think I’m actually lying about that, there’s absolutely nothing to rolefilsh. Only way that’s even possible is if I’m actually telling the truth because otherwise I’d presumably already know whatever the actual fuck she’s even talking about.

You're misunderstanding me.
-I am accusing you of rolefishing because I think you're scum and therefore already know about my role
-Your elimination won't be derailed. If you are scum here then it's the perfect opportunity to try to rolefish a bit because you're getting eliminated anyway
-I think you're lying about not knowing about my neighborhood before I claimed it
-There might be stuff to rolefish or there might not be but as scum almost for sure getting eliminated why not try to see if you can get more info

[Raya36]

Thinking about it, it's statistically likely that April has my mushrooms, rather than there being 2 whole people who have decided not to claim a message of basically 0 apparent worth

I think everyone else has checked in

I don't have anything

[Raya36]

I didn't get a badger video either

[Raya36]

well - given the current mechanics that's not going to happen today

What’s the current mechanics

...the guilty...

Will you vote April if I say I’ll shoot smoke

Why not the other way around?

[Raya36]

V/LA Friday and Saturday

[Raya36]

tbf, I'm 99.9% sure mastina is town. Why would scum have a bodyguard that confirms themselves?

I agree, mastina is most likely town

[Raya36]

penguin can be town for now.
Korina is scummy but I remember TRing them a while ago so maybe town?
whemestar I couldn't be bothered to read because he's too scummy.

I agree Korina is scummy. I remember TRing them mainly for their claim but I don't remember townreading them for their play.

[Raya36]

Cuz subtle wants recipients of badger videos to claim so we’re just going to wait until eod...again.

nah wtf is this stupid plan. we flash wagon Nancy drew/pooky. period.
if they flip town, then we flash wagon tea party tmrw. ez.

I think it would be beneficial for town to wait until everyone has claimed badger/no badger then elim s&m

[Raya36]

I believe at this point we await the replacement for April.

Superb has only 1 claim I believe, either the remaining two have fallen to April, my post restriction was one of them, or someone is withholding information.

I also agree we should wait for April's return/replacement before ending the day if possible

[Raya36]

I still think Penguin and Mastina and Nancy are scum but that can't be possible because its mod confirmed 3 scum.

I think you're wrong about mastina. I could see it being Penguin though

[Raya36]

I still think Penguin and Mastina and Nancy are scum but that can't be possible because its mod confirmed 3 scum.

I think you're wrong about mastina. I could see it being Penguin though

I also think ur scum ....

Meaning you don't believe me about townreading mastina or you're adding me to the list?

[Raya36]

Let's wait for Jackson to catch up first and aren't we still missing a badger video?

[Raya36]

Rathe, you think Wheme was bussing his buddy, Fuzzy? Not entirely sure I understand why you think Wheme is scum

[Raya36]

Raya is sidelining like fuck.

What do you mean

[Raya36]

So we know 2 of the 3 badger videos and the third has to be a guess?

[Raya36]

I'm going to wait for SS to come in before I vote S&M

[Raya36]

Did you get all the badgers correct last night?

[Raya36]

Did you get all the badgers correct last night?

I'll tell you if you tell me whether you got any today

I did not

[Raya36]

top four r completely cleared yes or no

the second three are somewhat cleared and somewhat suspicious yes or no

april/jacksonvirgo most suspicious yes or no

Unfortunately it's not quite that simple. Definitely something important to look into but you also need to see what the intentions were, at what point of the wagon they voted, how likely it was the person they voted would be eliminated vs the chances of their elimination being avoided.

[Raya36]

Exactly, you may be able to "clear" some of them based on the context of their votes. If someone for example pushed both mafia from the beginning before there was any traction on their wagons, chances are that person is town. But if someone voted both mafia, but towards the end of the wagons, or maybe they were hesitant or seemed unsure then they could be mafia forced into bussing as an example.

[Raya36]

mafia voting for mafia twice seems like pointless

If they're already going to be eliminated then there's a point that elimination needs to be accepted and their partner/partners would join the wagon so they don't seem suspicious. It's not that they're making it harder. They're a team and the one getting eliminated is allowing their partners to vote them so that they have a better chance of not getting suspected later on.

[Raya36]

I've been wrong too. I trusted Fuzzy enough to neighborize them

[Raya36]

Exactly, you may be able to "clear" some of them based on the context of their votes. If someone for example pushed both mafia from the beginning before there was any traction on their wagons, chances are that person is town. But if someone voted both mafia, but towards the end of the wagons, or maybe they were hesitant or seemed unsure then they could be mafia forced into bussing as an example.

k what do u think

So I'll talk about Mad Hatters and focus on S&M. Mad Hatters claimed the mechanical guilty on S&M. At this point there wasn't much for substantial suspicion on S&M. This guilty is what lead to S&M getting eliminated and Mad Hatters pushed hard for that. There was absolutely no reason for scum!Hatters to bus their scumbuddy like that, especially with 1 scum already dead. So Mad Hatters is clear to me. If you wanted to look into the Fuzzy vote, I would say that more lightly implies town as well. It was just a compromise in context, however mastina was a viable counter wagon that scum!Hatters would have likely opted for.

Try to use a similar mindset to that and look into penguin power. Let me know if you think he's scum or town based on his votes

[Raya36]

Wheme, you're not obvtown, and if you are town than you shouldn't have any reason to not claim right now

[Raya36]

Battle Mage has claimed to have received the badger video

Battle mage has also claimed to be a 1 shot rolecop with no other powers



I'd like to thank Mastina for protecting me two nights running. This has been a fantastic gambit and a great game for jjh927

I am thoroughly impressed

[Raya36]

I think there were exactly 2 powerful roles on the town side- Mastina's role, and Mad Hatter's role. My role only got a guilty from some inventive gambitting and the fact that scum tried to NK me two nights in a row while Mastina protected me

Scum dayvig is almost incomprehensibly strong

I also ended up with a very powerful role once we got to 1 scum left in the game. Just never really got the chance to use it since the game ended

[Raya36]

I was actually a jailer-neighborizer.

I hard-cleared Mad Hatters since I had them neighborized/jailed last night and a kill happened. I was planning to jail my scumreads the remaining nights

[Raya36]

Just glad that I had enough doubt of Fuzzy to keep the jailer part a secret

[Raya36]

Really? Why?
Did you not have daytalk?

[Raya36]

That wouldn't have mattered actually. Ignore the daytalk part

[Raya36]

Fuzzy why??

[Raya36]

Yeah I figured I'd be close to the top and I intended to keep a lower profile this day to avoid being killed but I ended up preferring playing
I suck at being quieter when I don't want to

[Raya36]

Oh it was raya? I KNEW IT OMG

That was referring to not getting night killed since I was a jailer with 1 scum left alive

[Raya36]

Yes, thank you to xtoxm and jingle for taking over unexpectedly!

[Raya36]

Reya- I had a faint idea that you were not being totally upfront with me. I though maybe a cop but a jailer seem like a possibility as well.

Well no offense but I'm glad the rest of town fixed my mistake before the consequences

[Raya36]

All I wanna say is

this

is considered the deadliest cat

Spoiler:

[Raya36]

I AM THE DEADLIEST

Google would disagree ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Raya36]

I AM THE DEADLIEST

Google would disagree ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

google is dumb

you're dumb

[Raya36]

60% kill rate, tis the deadliest of kitties.

Spoiler:

[Raya36]

Oh also I'm ok with my neighborhoods being released without any redactions from me