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[House]

VOTE: cyrus62 I'm
Daycop guilty.
EZ GG

[House]

Only 6 post and I already have a scum lean

Lol, you're so predictable.

[House]

Cyrus is probably town here

I just finished a game with him. The guy is hilarious.

[House]

VOTE: Almost50

Long time no see, old man.

[House]

Dunn should probs not pick mason (we might can turn it into a parity cop), but I need to think on this.

I don't understand this

You have early town cred for claiming the card right off.

By passing it off to another player, that player can become confirmed town by actually using it, and it would lock town you (barring shenanigans) by enabling it.

... I think. I'm new to this kind of game, correct me if I'm wrong.

[House]

How is that different from me taking it now and then somebody else taking it later? Doesn't that activate the masons?

I was thinking the other person doesn't even claim and I tell you guys if a mason appears so they can claim it later

Once a card is used, it's burned isn't it?

[House]

Bingle is Town (joy), and is probably the N1 kill (damn)

Dude, are you directing scum night actions or announcing intent??

I see no town utility whatsoever in this post.

[House]

(Results; I decided to get reads...but I am tired and struggling ON said reads. )

I feel your pain.

It's after midnight and tomorrow (today) is the hardest day off the week for me, as work goes... but I can't get to sleep.

[House]

of* the week

Blah

[House]

@Murder - just to confirm, single draw, roles evolve?

The roles that are currently in play are the only ones available in the game. They will not change over time.

Once picked, they are removed from the packs

. You can only pick a single role from your pack each night. Picking happens first, before any other actions resolve.

@Dunnstral: this is why.

[House]

VOTE: cyrus62 I'm
Daycop guilty.
EZ GG

Nice of people to claim they've been guiltied :3 VOTE: House

Hi. You'll get used to my typos.

Flea was one of my favorite villains. Bold move of Squaresoft back in the day, honestly.

[House]

I'm all for cracking on mechanics, but at the same time it makes it easy for scum to hide by appearing to be helpful without actually contributing anything to the town.

I've had a long day at work today so I'm going to take this evening to relax, but I'll be figuring out some reads tomorrow. I hope there's more alignment discussion and less mechanics/role discussion by then.

Good night, all.

[House]

I'm going to get my groove on, today. Let's start with:

VOTE: T3

Their posts in regards to mastina do not feel at all genuine.

[House]

Fabricated a read on a naked RVS votw.

Oh is this in reference to your vote on me?

I buy that.

(Which is to say, T3's vote on me is a fabricated read on my naked rvs post. This is far from T3's first game with me.)

Fabricated a read on a naked RVS votw.

Mastina does this

As town or as scum?

You should already know the answer to this given this was my first post post-alignment in Townstumps. A game you were in.

I was in Townstumps. I don't recall T3 being in that game. Were they on an alt?

[House]

I'm going to get my groove on, today. Let's start with:

VOTE: T3

Their posts in regards to mastina do not feel at all genuine.

Did you roll scum?

I wish. At least I wouldn't feel so lost in this setup.

Why are you being so obtuse about mastina after the Townstumps game?

[House]

Spoiler:

I see mason in my card pack and will be picking it tonight
If any other town player sees mason at some point this game with me alive, they should take it

VOTE: Bingle
Bingle amirite

Nah, I turned around. You’re left. It’s been a while since I looked at the deck, but I don’t remember any particular tricks as important. Dunn should probs not pick mason (we might can turn it into a parity cop), but I need to think on this. See y’all tomorrow.

Town.

VOTE: cyrus62

Still trying to set up mis elim.

VOTE: Taly

Town?

VOTE: flea

Scum? (Honestly hard to tell tho.)

Vote: Infinity 324

Fabricated a read on a naked RVS votw.

Fabricated a read on a naked RVS votw.

Mastina does this

As town or as scum?

mastina just fabricated a whole reads list early d1 in Townstumps as town, so if you were in that game I don't buy these posts as genuine for a second.

[House]

Spoiler:

That doesn't change the fact that she made a fabricated readlist.

viewtopic.php?p=12817855#p12817855

This post was on the third page of d1.

You're being disingenuous.

[House]

T3, may I ask who you were in Townstumps?

[House]

T3, may I ask who you were in Townstumps?

FMFT

I kinda thought so.

I know you jumped on mastina last game for the same thing, but that's a really easy thing to duplicate as scum, and I think you'd be more cognizant of the fact she does that as town instead of asking whether she does that as town or scum.

If you're town, who else is scum besides mastina? Or, what else has mastina done that comes across as scum aside from the "fabricated read", which is demonstrably nai for her?

[House]

Bingle voted mastina for something. I don't have any reasons to read mastina as scum or town other than that. I would say Mom is a scumread because she tends to lurk as scum (eg. dogs vs cats).

Thanks for that.

Remind me, who is Mom again? Also, I'm not familiar with the game you're referencing. Does Mom only lurk as scum or are there times this has also happened as town?

[House]

I voted mastina for townreading me, btw.

I don't see why anyone thinks mastina's early d1 reads are AI one way or the other.

I'm not even going to try to read her until at least late d1 or d2. Her early content is more useful in pushing others who try to push her for it, IMHO.

[House]

VOTE: House

Push feels opportunistic.

What do you think about my approach here vs house's, I assume you don't also scumread me for voting t3?

Why did you think T3 seemed towny before my push?

Looking over your ISO, I didn't say anything that you weren't already aware of.

[House]

Why did you think T3 seemed towny before my push?

Meta. T3 feels more solvey and active than he does as scum.

Why did my push change that?

[House]

Why did you think T3 seemed towny before my push?

Meta. T3 feels more solvey and active than he does as scum.

Why did my push change that?

Ignore this post, I need to catch up.

[House]

sounds like he has a conclusion he wants to make and is justifying it.

Bullshit.

T3 is scumreading mastina for something he JUST saw her do as town in a game all 3 of us just finished.

[House]

T3 is scumreading mastina for something he JUST saw her do as town in a game all 3 of us just finished.

Counterpoint:

Given the presumption that T3 knows mastina's opener is NAI or town indicative, why does scum T3 fake that read in a lobby that knows mastina?

Already stated. It's an easy thing to duplicate since he's done it as town, which is what I suspect he's doing because of his unwillingness to accept the fact that posting early reads isn't some sort of magical scum tell for her.

He's invested in his narrative.

[House]

And you're pushing him as that being a performative action that you explicitly know he does as town. Why?

You're asking a question I've already posted an answer to not just once but twice. Why?

[House]

You act like I'm calling for his head on a platter thought this second, Bingle. That's ridiculous.

A vote is more than just a weapon. It's also a tool.

T3 sees that he's a scumreading and he knows why. What he does with that information is just as informative as what he's done to earn the vote.

[House]

You act like I'm calling for his head on a platter right this second, Bingle. That's ridiculous.

A vote is more than just a weapon. It's also a tool.

T3 sees that he's a scumreading and he knows why. What he does with that information is just as informative as what he's done to earn the vote.

Edit

[House]

You act like I'm calling for his head on a platter right this second, Bingle. That's ridiculous.

A vote is more than just a weapon. It's also a tool.

T3 sees that he's a scumread and he knows why. What he does with that information is just as informative as what he's done to earn the vote.

Edit

Sigh. Again. Sorry.

[House]

GamePass is summoning me.

I think it's time to play some Fable II.

Will check back in later.

[House]

Hey guys, I am stuck here. The good news is I managed to early pocket Bingle it seems. That Doctor crumb that he turned into something totally different was hilarious

The bad news is I still hate rolling scum in this particular game a and don't think I am up to the challenge.

If you can't carry me, feel free to bus already. I may fight back a little, but the earlier you do it the more towncred you get from my flip.

You can't possibly be scum, man.

I don't see you in the PT.

[House]

Lol what bites this game is no day kill role. I would love a day kill role. Omg I would have so much fun . So and so I scum read Cyrus bang your dead hahaha. Sorry lil devil showing.

You want to kill people?

I scumread you.

[House]

Spoiler: literally the definition of opportunism

Hey guys, I am stuck here. The good news is I managed to early pocket Bingle it seems. That Doctor crumb that he turned into something totally different was hilarious

The bad news is I still hate rolling scum in this particular game a and don't think I am up to the challenge.

If you can't carry me, feel free to bus already. I may fight back a little, but the earlier you do it the more towncred you get from my flip.

...

VOTE: a50

VOTE: Almost50

[House]

Voting people when they act scummy?

Calling A50 scummy for that post is akin to calling Firepup scummy when he says yes after somebody asks him if he rolled scum.

Early game fuckery is not scum indicative.

[House]

Voting people when they act scummy?

Also, he clearly saw the post before you did, but didn't vote until you did?

[House]

K

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Page top

Page top

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House is scum for stealing page top.

[House]

Voting people when they act scummy?

Calling A50 scummy for that post is akin to calling Firepup scummy when he says yes after somebody asks him if he rolled scum.

Early game fuckery is not scum indicative.

Ok, didn't realize that was mostly directed at t3, still disagree here but yeah I'd like t3 to respond why he didn't vote immediately.

First vote isn't as sus to me as those who follow it.

[House]

I wasn't sure if it was a joke. Then A50 goes AWOL but still posts elsewhere is a pretty bad look so I voted him.

Nah. It was 12 minutes.

[House]

I don't like that House paints the A50 votes as opportunistic, sure, there is valid reason to suggest that, but what's the point of suggesting so? Feels bad faith.

Not bad faith at all.

I don't scumread Infinity for theirs. It just strengthened my scumread of T3 for hopping on the first convenient "gotcha" post that came along AFTER someone else started the wagon when he originally replied to that post before they did.

Bad faith? Try zero faith.

[House]

I wasn't sure if it was a joke. Then A50 goes AWOL but still posts elsewhere is a pretty bad look so I voted him.

Nah. It was 12 minutes.

Yes, he has not posted here since.

If I go afk and come back to 2 nonsense votes on me, I'll probably dip too.

Have done so before.

There was zero justification for either of your votes outside of a zero-level "gotcha" reason which could be natural coming from someone whose first post after seeing it contains a vote, but not after they've had several minutes to actually brain it out.

[House]

House I feel like you're confbiasing on t3 here? Like I see how some of your points follow but you're also attributing too much certainty to it when none of what you've said makes me feel like it should nail t3.

Eh. That's... fair, I guess?

I've been told I only have one speed when my motor starts turning.

[House]

There was zero justification for either of your votes outside of a zero-level "gotcha" reason which could be natural coming from someone whose first post after seeing it contains a vote, but not after they've had several minutes to actually brain it out.

I mean I did give some reasoning

It would mean he's paying attention to the game but not contributing. It would be a cheeky WIFOM "would scum do this?" play. Partly a personality read on A50.

Ok.

What make you think that he's paying attention to the game, as opposed to his own interactions?

I ask because it's a lot easier to check up on a reply to your own posts than it is to figure out what kind of action is happening between third parties.

[House]

House, "zero faith" V "bad faith" does not seem to change the premise in my eyes. I'll ask a third time: Why is T3 scum here when he has misread Mastina as town in the past?

If you don't want to answer, just tell me. Otherwise I'd assume you are deflecting.

There's nothing to deflect. The question was asked & answered a while back.

Twice, actually.

I'm not going to keep regurgitating it.

[House]

That he is just ignoring the thread since doing it is certainly not good™ fmpov.

I know I've been defending his slot over that weird post, but I have to agree that his absence since then doesn't give me great vibes.

[House]

i could go on A BRANCH AND SAY INFINITY FLEA TALY AND NWG ARE THE ONES TO WATCH AS 3 OF THE 4 ARE SCUM.

Wait, weren't you scumreading me earlier?

What happened with that?

[House]

That post doesn't give me great vibes

Meh. I'm impressionable. There's multiple people saying him slanking isn't a good look and it has me doubting myself.

[House]

He hasn't really explained why T3 *would* go out of his way to duplicate NAI behavior as scum.

Since we're throwing out irrelevant facts, nobody has stated why he WOULDN'T go out of his way to duplicate WHAT HE LITERALLY JUST DID AS TOWN as scum.

And if I have to sit here and explain to people like they're wearing diapers that scum sometimes has to struggle to find a way to look productive (especially in regards to the early game), I might as well replace out because I'm not equipped to deal with that level of... thought processes.

[House]

He hasn't really explained why T3 *would* go out of his way to duplicate NAI behavior as scum.

Since we're throwing out irrelevant facts, nobody has stated why he WOULDN'T go out of his way to duplicate WHAT HE LITERALLY JUST DID AS TOWN as scum.

Crap... I did NOT mean to break a rule.

I was not threatening to replace out. That post was rhetoric.

[House]

Of all the players here Infinity should be the most qualified to read me imo.

And I'm not convinced Infinity is town, sooooooooooo...

Do you really think scum!Norwee would give scum!Infinity those props?

[House]

Give a definite read on me, and try to speculate on what my "scum slip" was meant for. Thank you

I think you were fishing for opportunistic votes, which is what triggered me about T3's switch to you when I was pressuring him over his bad mastina vote.

It seemed like a Slayer's Gambit.

[House]

This doesn't read sincere and I'm getting frustrated.

Why are you getting frustrated if you think i’m being insincere? This doesn’t seem like the correct mindset to have.

I mean, it does if they're interacting with you in good faith.

I don't see your confusion, here.

[House]

Though tbh I don't think it's fair to say I haven't looked for scum, I've pushed t3, a50, and house

I wouldn't call a flaccid, unexplained vote with no questioning or accusations much of a push.

[House]

Were you in that last game day one?

?? There has always been a last game that I was in on D1.

Perfect response is perfect.

[House]

Though tbh I don't think it's fair to say I haven't looked for scum, I've pushed t3, a50, and house

I wouldn't call a flaccid, unexplained vote with no questioning or accusations much of a push.

Do you scumread me?

Not particularly. I just have zero respect for calling what you did to me a "push".

[House]

I think taly is obvtown this game tbh

Norwee too kinda lol

Yeah we soulread each other.
Can you talk to me about my Taly read? I want to know if i could be wrong as my suspicion there is not to the same level as the one i have on Mastina right now.

NEVER trust a soul read.

My soul says this point is corect.

My soul doesn't know what corect means.

[House]

Not particularly. I just have zero respect for calling what you did to me a "push".

I'm not sure what the purpose of your post was then, if not to try and show you're not scared of me. Cyrus said I'm not trying to find scum, my point was that it's pretty clear I am, and you're not really disputing that, so I'm not really sure what you were trying to do.

Actually, I am.

You're calling a barely noticable vote a push, which means you're either unaware that I'm not feeling pushed by it, or exaggerating your participation.

I'm here saying if you're going to call what you did a push, fucking push me.

[House]

Does the line "I am struggling to get into the game" usually come from town?

I said that quite a bit as town back in the day, so...

[House]

Actually, I am.

You're calling a barely noticable vote a push, which means you're either unaware that I'm not feeling pushed by it, or exaggerating your participation.

I'm here saying if you're going to call what you did a push, fucking push me.

I'm not really interested in arguing semantics. I voted you and gave my feelings around the vote, which should be all that's required for "trying to find scum". Again, I don't see a town-motivated perspective from you here. Obviously if you're town, me pushing you harder doesn't help anyone, so again, what was the point of your comment?

Lol at you trying to discredit me for pointing out the obvious.

If you're going to cast shade to bolster your vote, at least do it when I say something that isn't transparently factual.

So yeah... That's a pretty scummy post.

[House]

Generally when you say something factual, there's a purpose behind saying it.

That purpose was correcting your inaccuracy.

Kinda what I do.

[House]

I think taly is obvtown this game tbh

Norwee too kinda lol

Yeah we soulread each other.
Can you talk to me about my Taly read? I want to know if i could be wrong as my suspicion there is not to the same level as the one i have on Mastina right now.

NEVER trust a soul read.

My soul says this point is corect.

My soul doesn't know what corect means.

Exhibit A

[House]

Spoiler:

I don't see why anyone thinks mastina's early d1 reads are AI one way or the other.

I have a very long history with mastina and it is most certainly possible to read her off of her early play. She does have subtle tells. I don't actually scumread her at the moment, she just knows I don't like being townread early. Basically it was an inverse OMGUS vote.

I just realized I'm not actually voting mastina.

VOTE: mastina

@ Bingle: what happened between those posts that made you decide to vote there?

[House]

@ Bingle: what happened between those posts that made you decide to vote there?

But seriously, where is Mastina?

Mood.

the push on Norwee looked genuine

Really?

It seemed pretty inflated to me. I also didn't like the push on T3 that fizzled out or the response to me being indignant at being townread being an excuse about the difficulty of forming reads instead of, you know, not giving a shit. I feel like mastina as town is less apologetic about townreading me there.

I forgot about 715 and missed it on my skim before I asked. Thanks!

[House]

Someone remind me why we're making house answer every question three times.

A little exaggerated, but it does seem to have happened a couple times, yeah.

[House]

@Infinity, What is your read on flea?

@House, Do you have thoughts on the mastina v norwee interaction?

Before Townstumps, I'd have had a very different answer for this question, but these days she seems to have a very different method for reading people that isn't very effective (at reading me, at least), unlike in the past when she could just soulread the hell out of me. If this game was happening in 2015-2016, I'd sheep the crap out of her but her play these days has certainly changed from what I remember.

So, I'm putting zero stock in her certainty of her d1 read on Norwe because she was also sure I was scum in Townstumps.

As far as Norwe goes, I'm kinda waiting for him to decide on a read of me because of (reasons).

[House]

how you were treating slots like me, jjh, and Gamma with 2/3 of them being slots that should've been off the table as conftown.

My problem in those 3 is that I gave Gamma a pass for being the n1 clear. I knew his game was off from his townplay, but I never voted for or pushed him. YOU were the one whose clear I doubted, and that's because of the mech talk that pointed out how weak hider is vulnerable to tampering under new role rules.

The reason I doubted your clear? You were scumreading me when mastin2 had an unparalleled ability to nail me down quick and early.

It was crushing to see, and scum was the only thing that made sense because I was the easy mislim at a crucial time.

[House]

Someone remind me why we're making house answer every question three times.

Huh? House didn't answer my question the first two times.

I don't have a read on flea.

That's because you wouldn't have had to ask it at all if you had been reading my posts.

[House]

This really confuses me.
So it seems like in your push against House you’re asking them to show more town motivation, but you’re not really explaining what this supposed town motivation that has been lacking from House’s posts is. Which makes me sorta indifferent to your push there. What is House doing here that he wouldn’t as town in response to being pushed??

The response to being pushed isn't really the problem, I felt like 640 had a pretty reasonable scum motivation (trying to look unbothered by my vote) but no town motivation that I could see. His response, I guess, is that he was just being frustratingly pedantic, which I do actually think could be reasonable after thinking about it more. But that was the idea behind my push.

UNVOTE:

Me nitpicking lies & fallacies is NAI. It's just a personality trait.

[House]

Norwee do you still think one of Taly/Mastina has to be scum here? Taly comes across townie by play and I think Mastina declaring a 1v1 like that is bold if it's coming from scum.

I mean i feel like all the players voting me are scummy. Especially T3 that claimed they townread me but now when it's convenient they find "my tone off" and vote me.

There are FIVE votes on you. There are only THREE SCUM.

Town is voting you in some way and some form. You can't dismiss your votes off the premise that it's all scum motivated anymore.

Who is town on your wagon?

Out of playing on MS for years I've seen only a handful of games where all 3 scum are on a designated D1 mislim. So I really need convincing if you think Taly/Mastina/T3 ever exists here.

/subscribe

[House]

That's how you have to read everyone my dude

Not true, btw. The hallmark of a truly good scum player is that their intent is very similar to their townplay.

For example, LLD wants to lead the town as scum and she also wants to lead the town as town. For those players, you have to rely on gamestate and results, not intent.

Wanting to lead town isn't intent, it's play style.

[House]

I read everything that matters to me.

I so feel this post.

[House]

Dw if I die tonight look after town and don't let the thread go steal

Asking a favor of one of your PoE?

[House]

I just thought it was odd, because asking someone that might be scum to keep what you consider might become a stale game active would be basically opening the door for scum to control the narrative.

Thanks for the clarification. I do remember you saying that before.

[House]

I kinda changed my mind about checking house tonight think I will take the X post instead

Someone should be checked tonight. N1 is the likeliest time it can be used.

Any protectives should be on you tonight since you outed an investigative role.

Although, claiming an investigative did open the door to you being rb'ed, but whoever gets your card next will be even more vulnerable than you.

P-Edit: eh, my most interesting role is not what I'd call game changing, but it has the potential to be useful when the time comes.

[House]

Dwlee's sticky vote on A50 looks terribad.

If we're determined to not eliminate T3 today, I'll have to

VOTE: Norwee

tie the wagons up.

I refuse to vote with my top scumread, and I'm not a fan of how Norwe doesn't seem to even be trying to sort me.

[House]

Just saying that i’ve misread House pretty badly in the past so i don’t want to make that mistake again.

Like, I get this and all, but... knowing that you misread me in the past why aren't you poking at me?

[House]

House you know t3 was just sitting on norwee too right? Why do you think I'm not on either of these wagons?

Hopping on but back off before elimination is a pretty basic distancing tactic.

[House]

His hop on looked opportunistic though.

Time spent on Norwe was, like, 25 hours.

Then he hops off to fuel the counter wagon?

Nah, fam.

[House]

How much do you scum read norwee here? I'm okay with t3, you seem okay with t3. I still don't get why people are so averse to my a50 read but I can go with t3 instead of voting a null (Mastina) or townlean (norwee).

I'd like nothing more than to see T3 limmed, today.

His red flip will have me locked onto Norwe until one of us dies though, because T3's hop on/off looks like an attempt to derail Norwe.

[House]

VOTE: T3

Choo choo!

[House]

A50's completely selfless approach to wanting himself be eliminated to keep power away from scum pretty much has him lock town in my reads, and if whomever gets his roles next confirms his claim, he might as well be cop cleared as far as I'm concerned.

The roles on his card will doom anyone that actually uses them since they've become so high profile, so there's no need for him to die to keep them out of scum's hands because the second it goes back to a townie it's a matter of tracing them back to previous owners to find the scum.

His roles are toxic for use, so he's effectively done his job.

Now A50, please get yourself settled in and prepare to be here for a while & stop being all suicidey, please kthx.

[House]

Love u buddy

My favorite Rod Stewart song is his cover of Forever Young.

Not his typical style, but he crushes that song.

[House]

Mine are: Baby Jane, Infatuation, Here To Eternity, Every beat Of My Heart, Passion, Some Guys Have All The Luck, Sweet Surrender, Love Touch

I'm a little surprised to not see Total Eclipse of the Heart in that list

[House]

VOTE: t3 vote hoping is scummy

I approve of the vote.

I disagree with the reason for it.

But by all means, keep your vote there.

[House]

House please stop your confbias tunneling.

Fine.

UNVOTE:

I'm going to give this game a fresh look on my day off, but that will have to wait until some time Friday.

[House]

1k, yo

[House]

His hop on looked opportunistic though.

Time spent on Norwe was, like, 25 hours.

Then he hops off to fuel the counter wagon?

Nah, fam.

Pretty sure 25 hours before i was like the only person voting Mastina. Why would supposed scum!T3 that’s my ‘teammate’ do an risky bus that was apparently ‘planned distancing’ for no real reason there?

If you're alive to ask the question, you weren't bussed.

Considering the pressure you're getting, I can see why your team would want to distance themselves from you as scum.

[House]

Put the Norweigan scumbag at E-1.

I'd rather not have an elimination before my chance at rereading the game on Friday.

What's your rush?

[House]

I propose a counter-counter-wagon.
VOTE: NDMATH

What, why?

[House]

I am sooo lost here. Since I last posted my readlist I've basically been trying to narrow down my PoE by focusing on my suspects and trying to figure them out. The result was catastrophic, as I now have only 2SRs left, which made me not only suspect I TR'd one of my former suspects too soon, but also made me suspect I may have had one scum on my initial jury!!

In short: I am TRing -to various degrees- Flea, Infinity, Norwee, cyrus & Bingle, leaving only Dunn & Dwlee from my initial PoE. I am reconsidering T3 specifically from my intial jusry pool, although T3 was in my top 3 TRs.

So let's say I have 3 pools now:

The Jury:

House mastina Taly NDMath

Pool of Turmoil:

Flea Bingle Infinity cyrus Momrangal/NorwEE T3

Pool of Suspects:

Dunn Dwlee

I'm pretty sure cyrus is town. Moreso than mastina. Not that I'm particularly sus of her, I'm just hard townreading cyrus.

[House]

I kinda want to do the lightning rod play again where I play with my cards face up, but I won't be taking scummy roles because of one person deciding to strike my death knell.

Please don't. Scum having imperfect information is a huge net positive for town.

This is going to be hard to translate from brain to screen, so bear with me.

The theory last time would be I openly declare and take any/all negative roles, this means scum have to avoid giving me certain roles and limits their pack rotation knowing that any role that comes to me is lost.

Roles don't evolve in this game, so I can't be strung up by town for declaring an evolved role.

By play mechanically I took an optimal line and denying scum certain options (godfathers, post restrictions on town, vote restrictions on town).

And I stand by that now.

I like this post from flea, and I think it's a mechanically sound strategy for everyone.

If we all burn our pro-scum roles the day we get them, it will greatly limit scum's power.

It would also force scum to play in a way that may be suboptimal to avoid outing themselves.

If we can get a consensus on this, I think we should start doing so tonight.

[House]

I like this post from flea, and I think it's a mechanically sound strategy for everyone.

A mechanically sound strategy is making the best call based on the pack you have and not dreaming the thread with pointless mech discussion.

Grand sweeping strategies just give scum a roadmap to play around town’s night actions.

I'm confused.

How is locking scum out of their best roles early not optimal play?

[House]

Full accountability for scum roles picked post n1 unless scum passes to scum and the disproportionate amount of utility of power in towns hands.

Also stop rolefishing and scumhunt.

It's hardly rolefishing when the game is role madness.

EVERYBODY has a PR. I'm not in here asking people WHAT their roles ARE.

Chill with the LAMIST bullshit.

[House]

I hArDcLaIm Pr.

Right?

[House]

Regardless of ee flip I still scum read infinity.

I think infinity scum spews ee town, fwiw.

Idk about spew, never been something I understood well.

I think Infinity seems pretty solvey, though?

Like, I get the inconsistencies issue, but I seem to remember inconsistencies coming now from town than scum, generally speaking.

IME, scum works harder to maintain consistency than town, who tend to have evolving reads but don't document every single thought process as it happens.

[House]

Regardless of ee flip I still scum read infinity.

I think infinity scum spews ee town, fwiw.

Idk about spew, never been something I understood well.

I think Infinity seems pretty solvey, though?

Like, I get the inconsistencies issue, but I seem to remember inconsistencies coming more from town than scum, generally speaking.

IME, scum works harder to maintain consistency than town, who tend to have evolving reads but don't document every single thought process as it happens.

Edit.

[House]

You have early town cred for claiming the card right off.

By passing it off to another player, that player can become confirmed town by actually using it, and it would lock town you (barring shenanigans) by enabling it.

... I think. I'm new to this kind of game, correct me if I'm wrong.

I like this

While I like House, Dunn and Bingle individually so far, I'm not a fan of passing cards in general. It puts a neon sign that says "Block me" on Dunn and then we would not get the results and possibly lose the card.

Can't block the pass. That's a mod mechanic.

[House]

Also, hi!

Welcome, Titus!

[House]

Also, hi!

Welcome, Titus!

Hi House!

I am scum this time.

I love baiting people.

Don't you?

[House]

I am back to preferring a flea or a50 wagon but based off the vc + deadline neither of those look like productive places to park a vote.

I don't get why you have a hate boner for A50.

Dude's motives are purely town, IMHO.

[House]

VOTE: House
I feel good on this.

Mom is scum too.

Not to pre-flip associative too much but I feel like flea would make sense as a50's partner because "I'm voting for you because you don't scumread the person I scumread" is extremely strange behavior.

*sigh*

A pressure vote is worth nothing if it is known to be a pressure vote.

I was wanting to squeeze house a little bit on that defence and waiting while my pain meds wore off.

UNVOTE: as the vote is now pointless. Well played Dwlee.

A pressure vote is only good when its believed to be real. Knowing it's a pressure vote takes all the clout from it.
Dwlee challenging that vote and making the associatives stinks slightly more than houses horrible oppotunism cases.

Given I'm on the script grade pain meds again, i want to make sure I'm sober before committing fully.

Considering you plopped down an empty vote without so much as questioning me before or after, what exactly about your vote was I supposed to be pressured by?

VOTE: Flea

[House]

ya'll are going to love my flip, just saying.

So... no response to my question?

[House]

Nope. None at all.

The process was disrupted and I was tweaked on my pain meds.

I'm also not a flash fryer.

You were coherent enough to make two posts about the intention behind your vote, so while I don't doubt you when you say you were on meds, I do think you had more presence of mind when you put your vote down than you're letting on.

[House]

Nope. None at all.

The process was disrupted and I was tweaked on my pain meds.

I'm also not a flash fryer.

You were coherent enough to make two posts about the intention behind your vote, so while I don't doubt you when you say you were on meds, I do think you had more presence of mind when you put your vote down than you're letting on.

You have no idea how much wrangling those two posts took.

I don't do subtle often, I need my full mind and I recognise when I need to step back before doing something.

*sigh*

So, I'm guessing what you were alluding to when you said "those kinds of pain pills" was opioids?

If so, I can understand the r/l difficulty those can have on functionality but I'll be supremely pissed if you DO flip red.

VOTE: T3

[House]

Willing to vote T3 prefer Flea but I need to review.

I tried to reset on T3. I really did ... but I don't see how anybody can look at his play and think "town", especially since the flea wagon started.

[House]

As someone who doesn't look at votes that much to scumhunt I don't get why t3 is scummy

Maybe you should.

He's jumping on any wagon he thinks has a chance to go through with a vapid excuse for being on the wagon.

[House]

So...

VOTE: Infinity

My n1 action was a Psychologist check of T3. He's inno.

I'm guessing Infinity Rolecopped me.

[House]

I don't like that House paints the A50 votes as opportunistic, sure, there is valid reason to suggest that, but what's the point of suggesting so? Feels bad faith.

Not bad faith at all.

I don't scumread Infinity for theirs. It just strengthened my scumread of T3 for hopping on the first convenient "gotcha" post that came along AFTER someone else started the wagon when he originally replied to that post before they did.

Bad faith? Try zero faith.

Infinity possible partner

The player that faked a guilty on me is a possible partner?

I know I like gambits, but c'mon.

[House]

I hope nobody has to ask why I checked THE of all people, btw.

I was all over him on d1 and it annoyed me that nobody was listening. I was wanting to come in today and shove a guilty result down all your throats.

[House]

I hope nobody has to ask why I checked T3* of all people, btw.

I was all over him on d1 and it annoyed me that nobody was listening. I was wanting to come in today and shove a guilty result down all your throats.

Edit

[House]

THE and Communism sure are players.

Too slow.

Try to keep up.

[House]

Yeah titus being scum here makes the least sense to me. The only thing I can think is that bingle is scum because he would do a silly -EV gambit. Math doesn't strike me as the type to even think about something like that.

Bingle? Scum?

What even is this? Bingle has been the solviest player in the game.

[House]

House, Why would Infinity fake an guilty on you.

Why would you ask a question I preempted?

I'm guessing Infinity Rolecopped me.

... seems pretty low effort, brah.

[House]

We have a guilty on House today and I suspect a guilty on Bingle tomorrow.

I have to think at least one of Titus/Infinity has to be scum, but not S/S.

I don't see 2 scum dogpiling on the most obvtown player in the game.

[House]

So because they rolecopped you as an psychologist?

Mafia can just kill you at night?
With you innoing T3 it wasn’t even an scenario that forces the 1v1.

Maybe they can, maybe they can't.

Who knows?

[House]

Mini Theme 2222: Open Draft Mafia

Playerlist:

1. Dunnstral**
   
2. Flea The Magician
   
3. Bingle
   
4. Infinity 324
   
5. Almost50
   
6. Dwlee99
   
7. House
   
8. mastina*
   
9. Titus
   Taly*
   
   
10. T3
    
11. NDMath
    
12. cyrus62
    
13. NorwegianboyEE
    Momrangal*

Prods indicated with *
13/13 confirmed

Spoiler: Game Events

Day 1 Begins
NorwegianboyEE replaces Momrangal
Titus replaces Taly
Day 1 Ends
Day 2 Begins

Spoiler: Alive

• Dunnstral
  
• Bingle
  
• Infinity 324
  
• Almost50
  
• Dwlee99
  
• House
  
• mastina
  
• Titus
  
• T3
  
• NDMath
  
• NorwegianboyEE

Spoiler: Dead

• Flea The Magician (
  vanilla townie
  )
  
• cyrus62 (
  multitasking townie
  )

I do find it interesting that the player whose cards in scheduled to get tonight suddenly faked a guilty on me, though.

[House]

Mini Theme 2222: Open Draft Mafia

Playerlist:

1. Dunnstral**
   
2. Flea The Magician
   
3. Bingle
   
4. Infinity 324
   
5. Almost50
   
6. Dwlee99
   
7. House
   
8. mastina*
   
9. Titus
   Taly*
   
   
10. T3
    
11. NDMath
    
12. cyrus62
    
13. NorwegianboyEE
    Momrangal*

Prods indicated with *
13/13 confirmed

Spoiler: Game Events

Day 1 Begins
NorwegianboyEE replaces Momrangal
Titus replaces Taly
Day 1 Ends
Day 2 Begins

Spoiler: Alive

• Dunnstral
  
• Bingle
  
• Infinity 324
  
• Almost50
  
• Dwlee99
  
• House
  
• mastina
  
• Titus
  
• T3
  
• NDMath
  
• NorwegianboyEE

Spoiler: Dead

• Flea The Magician (
  vanilla townie
  )
  
• cyrus62 (
  multitasking townie
  )

I do find it interesting that the player whose cards I'm* scheduled to get tonight suddenly faked a guilty on me, though.

Sigh. Edit.

[House]

I use an investigative role on n1.

I catch Infinity's cards.

Infinity claims a guilty on me.

This game... I can't even

[House]

If I keep pushing people to claim the negative utility roles they passed will that actually happen or am I just shouting into the wind?

Want me to claim the rest of my roles?

[House]

Second, if House thinks he can maybe save himself he might spew actual NA results.

Are you reading, at all?

I've already posted them.

[House]

Only those that are more powerful in scums hands than towns hands: commuter ascetic roleblocker sman.

Nah, nothing like that.

Just a couple vanilla and a couple... non-vanilla.

[House]

mastina, if I die today, I hope you at least remember my posts on this page... because you'll be getting Infinity's cards if I'm eliminated.

[House]

OTOH if you’re town infinity is necessarily scum, so at least you have that as a consolation.

No I don't. I've had a guilty faked on me in the past and the player wasn't eliminated the following day.

People lose their damned minds overnight, and you should know that.

[House]

I don't fake guilties as town

I'm not saying you do.

[House]

On second thought, House should have given them already. I am ok with hammer.

Okie.

VOTE: House

[House]

GG all, thanks for hosting, M Cat.

[House]

You're not wrong about me hating red but I hate not putting effort to win a game even more, and I hate it when people rep out because they don't like their role and i never want to be that kind of person.

It was also the 4th of july weekend. I know ur Brit but you gotta know that, THAT is an American holiday for better or worse

You assume a lot :3 I hardly know our holidays

Yeah but, Independence Day is kind of a shared holiday between the US & Britain.

Sort of like how flipping someone the bird is a shared interaction between two people.