Micro 1026: 09:12 | Game Over

[Datisi]

oh my god, innocentvillager rolled scum without me, this is so sad

VOTE: innocentvillager

[Datisi]

also

@mod

, could you change your mod colour please, this is unreadable on mafblack

[Datisi]

also

@mod

, could you change your mod colour please, this is unreadable on mafblack

Is this good?

yes thank you, that is readable

[Datisi]

I know everyone else has an avatar, I tried to upload one but it wouldn't go so I'll try to work around the dashboard some more and figure it out.

most likely too big of an image. i can resize it for you if you want.

(the first person to call this a pocket attempt is getting slapped.)

[Datisi]

slap

[Datisi]

yes. part of it is in jest, because i know innocentvillager will match into anything he can to call me scum early (he's a treasure), part of it I s serious as i am not in the mood to listen to arguments about how i'm scum because i offered to help someone.

would you like to declare a scumread on me because of being concerned about my own image?

[Datisi]

I want to chew on this and think for awhile, but I think there's a lot wrong with this.

aw come on, i was starting to like you. you can say what you find wrong about my post, i promise i won't cry.

pedit: np!

[Datisi]

Do you think Datisi immediately went to interact with innocentvillager with the goal of sorting that player, or with the goal of getting them off of his [Datisi's] back?

what do you think?

[Datisi]

I am currently voting you. I find the interlocking intriguing and definitely scummy, but I am a big fan of the Socratic method.

sorry, wasn't sure if the vote was rvs or srs.

intriguing and scummy is an interesting combination. do you think it's likely that i rolled scum, and decided to start seriously getting out of innocentvillager's impending scumread on me on page one, and in that fashion?

[Datisi]

hi scum, you gonna post anything else or you scared of spewing your partner as well?

[Datisi]

iv, can you give me your opinion of the conversations happening on the first 2 pages, this is of utmost importance

[Datisi]

go and read it, it takes like 5 minutes jfc

[Datisi]

why the fuck did you not read it yet, iv, where's a 5 page analysis

<3

(faker, i'll get to you in a minute)

[Datisi]

i wasn't planning on commenting on this yet in detail, since i kind of wanted to see iv's response first, but considering that george already revealed part of it in 37, and on second thought, i don't think iv as either alignment lies about this here considering this stuff is objectively checkable on the forum, so:

In Post #18, your selfconcern with innocentvillager's perception of you, rather than waiting to see what happened, pointed to the "front run" theory.

i didn't have to wait to see, because i knew exactly what was going to happen - iv was going to call me scum, literally no matter my introduction. that's how we open every game at this point. he tends to get very paranoid of me early on, i tend to scumread him early on until he steps on the gas, so we start getting those early scumreads out as soon as the game starts, as by now they've become a meme between us.

Let me pose a different question to you: Is my suspicion of this duality unclear or outright unreasonable from your perspective?

no, i don't think it's unreasonable. i'm used to hearing "datisi's tone / jokey-ness / self-awareness / friendliness is scummy!" reads. without diving into self-meta, i'll just say i get them a lot with either colour of the role pm.

what i was trying to figure out however was whether you're actually thinking about what you're saying or if you're scum pushing a townie that's making a somewhat scummy play. because sure, the "scum is more likely to be self-conscious" read is maybe correct, on the surface. and you're right in saying that when people roll scum with friends, they're likely to try to front run. what i was looking for were deeper thoughts on my play, because while i can see my posts looking like it on first glance, do you think i believe that "lol iv will scumread me anyway" is likely to genuinely win me any favours?

that said, i somewhat like the last paragraph of 57. i can see the way that my question feels leading to someone who has zero experience with this playerlist, and 65 seems like it cares about the game's overall productivity.

How much mafia have you played, Datisi? The date given for joining is 2019 but I'm wondering if you have experience that predates it.

all my completed forum games are on my wiki, and before this site i had some 3 years of town of salem experience.

[Datisi]

if I call u scum for that Datisi it’s purely as a joke I do stuff like that all the time and I know ur capable of this as either Alignment too

if ur referring to that thing I called u scum briefly for in 2207 I think that was like a more reasonable thing loll cmon I’m not that petty

i *know* it's a joke

i wasn't referring to anything specific (was more @ your general hurr durr never townread datisi stuff), what are you even talking about from 2207? (like, i genuinely don't remember.) also i don't think you ever called me scum for offering to help someone, how's this relevant?

[Datisi]

i am slightly annoyed because what i want to say is "if i were to roll scum against iv, i would 1000% be worried about his perception of me because that fucker knows how scum!me breathes, but my early on 'worry' about iv scumreading me is genuinely nai and i would do it as either alignment because it's a meme between us that we always scumread each other early"

but that both (1) makes me look more worried about the game's perception of me (and i guess not everyone subscribes to my thinking of "town gets worried about their image too") and (2) makes it seem like i'm pocketing iv even more by saying i would be worried about town!him as scum

mafia is difficult

[Datisi]

i wasn't planning on commenting on this yet in detail, since i kind of wanted to see iv's response first, but considering that george already revealed part of it in 37, and on second thought, i don't think iv as either alignment lies about this here considering this stuff is objectively checkable on the forum, so:

what response are you referring to and what did you see from me I’m confused

i typed that up before your 66-68 but basically. i had an idea that if you were scum, you would probably let me/faker fight, while if you were town, you would probably try to calm the situation down by explaining or at least mentioning the backstory. but then george mentioned it himself, and then i figured you can't exactly lie about it anyway since the the games are there for anyone to look at, so i gave up on that idea.

i can’t remember but there was one that I attacked u for and you got really defensive and couldn’t believe Town!me would come up with that and almost scumread me for pushing you in bad faith idk what it was about tho

i think it was you calling me out for the timeline of my read on alice? like thinking i lied about when and which games of theirs i went to check? anyway, last night i thought 67 was bad because it was obvious to me that i wasn't referring to anything, but rereading this interaction with a rested head, it makes more sense than i thought.

i am slightly annoyed because what i want to say is "if i were to roll scum against iv, i would 1000% be worried about his perception of me because that fucker knows how scum!me breathes, but my early on 'worry' about iv scumreading me is genuinely nai and i would do it as either alignment because it's a meme between us that we always scumread each other early"

but that both (1) makes me look more worried about the game's perception of me (and i guess not everyone subscribes to my thinking of "town gets worried about their image too") and (2) makes it seem like i'm pocketing iv even more by saying i would be worried about town!him as scum

mafia is difficult

I feel like ur over explaining this particular thing a lot and idk if I Find it +town or +scum

I think the average person would dislike this blanketly but knowing u i honestly don’t really know how scum you thinks differently from town you

like do you really think I am able to properly read you given ur one scumgame we played together I forgot u were scum?

yeah, i am, because i find it annoying that someone apparently thinks my "smh iv will scumread me anyway" was done as a game tactic thing rather than shitposting. it's neither +town nor +scum, because right now i'm either getting annoyed that someone's scumreading town!me over a nai shitpost, or i'm getting annoyed that someone's scumreading scum!me over a nai shitpost - up to you to figure out which one.

and, no, i don't think town!you would immediately nail scum!me in the first 3 pages or whatever. but you would still be the probably biggest headache for me in this playerlist, because i know you're extremely difficult to misyeet / shut out due to being capable of obvtowning and posting a lot, *and* i know you will constantly be analyzing every single thing i say and that you have decent experience with me as both alignments.

performative? definitely. i will wait for you to explain how is it scummy, though

[Datisi]

i go back and forth on whether marci's early posting on me/iv is townie thinking about it and not jumping to conclusions, or scum who knows there's nothing malicious going on there and is somewhat spewing that mindset while posting

george doesn't give me the vibe that he wants to shoot himself every time he's posting something, so that can be a early townlean.

[Datisi]

i'm assuming that's a negative reaction, and usually i would ask to elaborate what the problem is, but, the obvious.

[Datisi]

so u dont know what to think about me ?
u dont have anything u wanna ask about?

yeah. the q whether faker is nervous and the fos on std is fine. going off of one game of yours that i skimmed a bit back, i'd say it's vaguely townie, but /shrug, still feels too early.

sure, here's a question then - any updated thoughts on me/iv?

[Datisi]

and, no, i don't think town!you would immediately nail scum!me in the first 3 pages or whatever. but you would still be the probably biggest headache for me in this playerlist, because i know you're extremely difficult to misyeet / shut out due to being capable of obvtowning and posting a lot, *and* i know you will constantly be analyzing every single thing i say and that you have decent experience with me as both alignments.

scum lolcatting me by talking about ur actual scum thought process

performative? definitely. i will wait for you to explain how is it scummy, though

fine you win town!you is performative and thought spewy as well

do u have a notes PT this game datisi

i actually had that thought process way back before 2207 started. before every game, i have a vague "how to deal with this person if i roll scum against them" plan, and back then i realized that oh fuck, town!iv is gonna be a headache. but then i rolled town so lol

i don't have a notes pt this game

george doesn't give me the vibe that he wants to shoot himself every time he's posting something, so that can be a early townlean.

do u remember how u felt about him in 2207 early and how it compares to this?

i do not. i'm just thinking of that one moment in mid-d1 when he was like "that was my tinfoil on luca!!!" where my reaction to that was "uh oh that don't sound too good", and how right now i don't get that feeling

valid point that i should maybe be comparing his early posts here to his early posts there as opposed to mid-day posts, but eh too lazy, maybe later

[Datisi]

idk, i didn't feel like it i guess

[Datisi]

lol i think unwnd is town

based on something i read in a scum pt that i stalked, i think this is very slightly >rand town

also @norwee, why do i get the boring username

[Datisi]

and i was told my posting style screams zoomer. though i do wanna play minesweeper now >_>

[Datisi]

your comment is +town for you

(i actually think unwnd's comment may be slightly +scum for him, but can't pinpoint why other than ~*gut*~)

that mini normal a while ago that osuka modded - i think you said how as scum you fear townies finding each other, so i don't think scum!you's instinct is to throw on a random townread on someone who's post you can rather keep quiet on

[Datisi]

idk, i didn't feel like it i guess

i mean u don't have a notes PT when ur scum so

Wrong, Actually

i expected this, so i went to properly count, and it turns out that i've had a notes pt in 100% of my 2021 scumgames, but i've had a notes pt in only about 70% of my 2021 towngames

you can now locktown me

[Datisi]

something about this quote made me dig for the above quote idk what it was exactly

what is the point of me even posting this idk

pedit: hmm i mean maybe

but i think there's a counterexample to that read in a game we have played, can u think of what im thinking of?

maybe it's the fact that both of those quotes express an early game read that says "this person is townie because i'm not immediately scumreading them"?

and i cannot as i don't remember off the top of my head, and iam tired and don't feel like going back to look for it.

[Datisi]

and i think u called my georgebailey townread BS when he hadn't posted anythign at all at that point (when it was , obviously)

i deadass do not remember this, sorry

i can't tell you if i genuinely believed the push i was making there, but it's very likely i did. however, i probably believed it because i knew you were scum and every post you made was A Scum Post, so easy to find the issues. tmi.

i mean i cannot tell you if i genuinely would've found your townread of george in 2175 scummy or not bc i obviously never had a chance to experience it from an uninformed pov

but i think in general i would try to determine whether a read based on low content is real or not on a case-to-case basis, because i sometimes have reads on people for the dumbest shit and i don't like having a blanket read on a situation like that

however, the fact that you reminded me of you townreading someone for empty content as scum is making me not townread you for that anymore

i assume scum!you wouldn't purposefully kill my townread on you but what if that's what you want me to think

it's 3am i'll think about it tomorrow

[Datisi]

I have people I would vote but not getting into till after my vacay

Unfortunately I have not required a townread

Attention Green pm players, fix this

Thanks

idk, this just seemed a bit off? like i figured there was enough content to maybe get a townread on someone, and the "i have people to vote but haha vacation" just reads wrong. the word i'm looking for is probably performative. can't tell you much more, it feels fine on the surface but /shrug

i'd reckon ot also has to do with being very contrasting to the town!you i've seen so far, which from what i remember was present early

this is probably dumb without having a scumgame to compare it to but gutread do be like that sometime

[Datisi]

I believed the norm was to post at least once every 48 hours — is this only the bare minimum and it is expected that I post with much more regularity?

yeah, that's the barest of bare minimums. personally, i think 48 hour prods in a 7-day deadline games are way too lenient, but /shrug

Understanding IV/Datisi's back and forth is important to my line of thought but seems very history-specific and difficult to understand as someone familiar with neither.

so, if that's so important to you, and you're finding it difficult (which i can't really blame you for), instead of asking questions about what you don't understand, you will instead drop the whole thing?

[Datisi]

GeorgeBailey Aug 27, 08:36pm Aug 28, 01:35am

1 day 21 hours

- aaaand there goes my georgebailey townread, was nice while it lasted

[Datisi]

VOTE: save the dragons

iv is like my only read that resembles anything close to a townread, even though i think he's still completely within scumrange. sad.

[Datisi]

i'm at the point where i don't have scumreads because people aren't posting

and std's posts seem to be very Useless right now so i don't mind starting there

[Datisi]

I think std's post is more daring than the credit you're giving it

daring, Maybe

why is it townie

[Datisi]

you know what, sure

i'd be lying if i said i totally see std as town now, as opposed to possibly scum who's tired of The Walls and doesn't wanna contribute much there, but my primary reason to wanting to kill him has kinda gone down now, that is you convinced me that my gut reaction probably wasn't valid

VOTE: georgebailey

pedit: i find faker slightly scummy for the "it's important for me to understand dats/iv, but it's difficult", followed by zero attempts to understand. but i'm not sure if voting him is gonna produce much right now? like, my current objective is to make all slots at least have something readable, and i wanna see how he responds first, so

[Datisi]

- Datisi's reads feel like they have been bad lately and i wanna humor them.

i thought that was just a general "haha datisi bad at mafia" jab, but it seems to actually be founded on something?

[Datisi]

>Scum!IV registers town!Unwnd as an dangerous player to go against as town. Would not want to end up in an scenario where he scumreads them.
>Town!Unwnd posts some random posts that don't seem very alignment indicative.
>Scum!IV immediately posts an awkward post buddying Unwnd by giving the positive impression of believing they are town already.

i don't think this is a real scenario for scum!me tbh

but i guess i can see why ud believe this is a scenario without knowing me

eh VOTE: NorwegianboyEE this seems like a better place for my vote

?

[Datisi]

just because i can believe this belief *could* come from town!norway means i can't still be wary of him..?

no, obviously not

but i wouldn't call a vote just "being wary" of someone

so like, why the vote

[Datisi]

pedit: i don't TR norway and im getting 2207 vibes to a degree from him

could be, could be

anything in particular set you off?

[Datisi]

don't think i have much to add while georgebailey is still insisting on not posting. while i was grilling iv a bit yesterday on his norwee vote, i don't think i dislike it, and him saying that norwee is reminding him of 2207 doesn't seem like i lie. i should probably say this only after i actually refresh myself on 2207, but meh.

in the situation datisi is town, and faker is also town:
im essentially just worried of faker tunneling datisi
imo faker seems like the type that would just continue tunneling even if something better came up

do you have an actual alignment read on either of us?

255 is probably the post i should have more conclusions on but i'm not sure i do. i'm still off-put by the claim that it's important for him to understand the conversation. not being willing to put effort into it is one thing, hell i'd expect most people as either alignment wouldn't really care since the discussion wasn't *for them* anyway, but. something about the combination of still holding onto his page 1-3 read on me, saying he finds the discussion important, then taking the time to demonstrate at length why it's difficult to understand - dunno, makes me raise an eyebrow. i guess i'd kind of expect the further discussion to have impacted his early read on me, when that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Datisi]

Can you elaborate what, in my breakdown where I explicitly tried and failed to make any conclusions about the discussion in that post, should have impacted my read on you?

not sure there's a specific point. it's more that your original read on me seemed to stem form incorrect assumptions about my play, and i imagined that finding out more about my play / history with iv would have leas you to reevaluate.

is there a reason why you feel the need to point out multiple times that that there was an opening you could've pushed your agenda in if you'd wanted?

[Datisi]

ur worries here is sorta the reasons why i townread him LOL

not so sure about u tho

can you elaborate on both of these?

[Datisi]

i didn't go after you for failing, i went after you for seemingly not trying while putting emphasis on how important it was for you. the second time, it seemed like there were obvious questions you could've asked (ehat happened in the other game?) that just weren't there. this isn't omgus, i'm not suspecting you just for voting me.

and i'm not falling for that abrasive emotional fit.

[Datisi]

and that it is obviously scummy that I did not attempt to paint that failure on my end as either +town or +scum for you.

excuse me? i said i don't like you pointing out how that was such an opportunity for scum!you to act. i don't have an opinion on the fact that you didn't try to paint that as ai.

[Datisi]

aaaanyway

I have reasons to suspect you both but don't believe you are partners

hate to be jumping in, but i really don't think this was properly explained.

[Datisi]

oh okay

hi mathblade did you roll scum again

[Datisi]

And Datisi v IV seems to be a thing. Usually 1v1s contain at least one town early if not both unless scum planned gambit so kinda interested in the dynamics of who is on who is off and why please.

it's a meme feud more than anything. imy current vote in on georgebailey, who's currently lurking his ass off and i need readable content from everyone, so.

though now that you said it, i am looking forward to your take on my alignment.

VOTE: iv
I believe in datisi

?

[Datisi]

Then why not vote IV because of that? Why the “I believe in Datisi” instead?

@dwlee, math was asking "why didn't you vote iv because of this reasoning", not "why didn't you vote iv"

in a somewhat related note, why the "i trust in datisi" comment? rather is it a shitpost or something ai

[Datisi]

I think you're town

what have i done to deserve this honour

[Datisi]

You asked the mod to change his horrid dark blue color. I felt awkward asking him when he modded a mini so I just zoomed in to read everything on my phone

Scum doesn't want the vote counts to be readable, clear protown agenda imo

wait, that was not a shitpost

[Datisi]

You asked the mod to change his horrid dark blue color. I felt awkward asking him when he modded a mini so I just zoomed in to read everything on my phone

Scum doesn't want the vote counts to be readable, clear protown agenda imo

wait, that was not a shitpost

Do you want it to be?

i mean, if you're townreading me i'd expect an actual reason for that read? you're free to continue to townread me for that obviously, but like

this still feels like a joke idk

[Datisi]

A wagon on Datisi is pretty shocking considering he’s usually an easy read.

actually hold on

if i'm apparently an easy read (which i have no clue where you're getting form considering your experience with me is one game), why is the wagon on me shocking?

[Datisi]

A wagon on Datisi is pretty shocking considering he’s usually an easy read.

actually hold on

if i'm apparently an easy read (which i have no clue where you're getting form considering your experience with me is one game), why is the wagon on me shocking?

1) it’s not. 2119 is another game I have played with you. I also don’t have to have played with you to hear of meta about you.
2) It’s shocking because if you’re town I don’t think scum go after you and if you’re scum I don’t think the wagon would be like that.

It’s an unexpected deviation

(1) i don't count 2119 considering i was dead when you repped in, but sure. "hearing of someone's meta" feels a bit like it would be very easy to lead to errors but /shrug
(2) er, what would you expect the wagon on scum!tisi to be like? like, if you think i'm an easy read, then i'm assuming that also means i'm an easy read when scum too, so like. what's the issue

[Datisi]

Does anyone else want to explain it to me?

you don't need to read the whole game to have reads on people? like, dwlee already gave reasoning why they thought iv was +scum and why i was +town

[Datisi]

I read part of the first page and the stuff posted since I've been in here as well as a few posts in IV's ISO. I don't like the jokey "haha I'm scum derp" routine he did at the beginning.

"reading the game" isn't a yes or no question. you can skim parts of it or open some isos to get a few reads without fully "reading" the game...?

[Datisi]

I would have expected more of a stagnant VC.

Word is you hate scum and can’t match effort as you do town.

So if you match effort then you’re prob town.

Here you seem to be posting so probably town.

But I think necessarily that makes IV town because I don’t see scum IV picking on someone like you but I do see a town IV believing you scum and pushing you. So likely TvT and will read to see if my theory is valid later

i've been staring at my screen for like good 3 minutes not even knowing how to respond to this because, uh... no? obviously there are difference between my scum and towngames but my dude, "datisi is posting therefore datisi is town" is gonna backfire the next scumgame i have with you

honestly i still have no clue what you mean by "there would've been a stagnant vc" but i am now annoyed

[Datisi]

It kinda is though. If you’ve skimmed enough to have an opinion then you’ve skimmed enough to be held to it.

mmm

i feel like i strongly dislike this. like i don't think "i didn't read the whole game but i read parts of it and have some opinions based on what i saw" isn't like, a controversial/scummy thing to say, and it feels like you're forcing it into being one

[Datisi]

where/why was unwnd townie?

[Datisi]

Awww I am sad. You’re making me wonder if you have stock in Home Depot or something

reminder that i don't actually know what that means

[Datisi]

It’s a possibility in my head. Datisi is very attached to you which was unexpected. He’s showing levels of resistance similar to when I was pushing Chaos in the recently completed game which implies he either knows your alignment or has a strong reason to townread you. It isn’t sitting right with me.

lol what? you attacked dwlee with "they said they didn't read the game but they had reads", which is an absolutely awful take that reminded me of the way you were twisting things i said back in 2226. i don't even have to townread dwlee (i actually do think their entrance is somewhat townie, but that's besides the point) to be able to say that that push is stinky. yes i know you turned it into "didn't want accountability" but nowhere did they not want accountability? like they said where their read on iv came from.

knowing full well i am gonna get called chainsawing again: do you find it impossible that people spectate games sometimes?

[Datisi]

They didn’t read but they “read” but then said they didn’t read is pretty clear to me.

yeah. they didn't read the game, they read some parts of it. i think i am willing to chalk this up as a genuine disagreement rather than a scum shitpush, because it kinda seems like you genuinely believe what you're pushing here. the "dwlee is scum because someone was talking about me in the scum pt" is an... out there theory, gut tells me to kill you for it but i again feel like that would work for an average player, not you. i'm gonna sleep on it.

[Datisi]

so u dont know what to think about me ?
u dont have anything u wanna ask about?

yeah. the q whether faker is nervous and the fos on std is fine. going off of one game of yours that i skimmed a bit back, i'd say it's vaguely townie, but /shrug, still feels too early.

sure, here's a question then - any updated thoughts on me/iv?

Why is the FoS on Dragons fine but the FoS by M&Ms on Norway ignored?

because my reaction to her fos on dragons was something like "yeah that makes sense, i can see that being true". not unfakeable, but generally positive. i don't remember the fos by m&m which probably means it wasn't anything good or bad as it didn't leave an impression.

[Datisi]

i'm gonna need a bit more elaboration on that vote, math, especially how it ties to your previous thoughts of me being Easy To Read

[Datisi]

georgebaily what is your opinion on math/me

[Datisi]

Not really sure that’s necessary but
1) Your posts give me scumpings frequently
2) You’re vastly different than in the prior game
3) Our reads are pretty much polar opposites in most regards (STD is a top town read, even though I disagree with their solve I could see George but not IV I don’t think George and you make sense though and you’re more likely)

Usually I can find a bit where I go “yeah okay”
But your defense of Dwlee is weird
Your play with Faker and IV is weird
I don’t get most of your reads where as you were much more charismatic in the mini normal

1) is meaningless on its own
2) yeah, this is a vastly different game. how is my apparent difference scummy?
3.1) if our reads are different, why does that make me scum as opposed to town with different thoughts? which of my reads are in bad faith?
3.2) are those not my reads?? i'm townreading std, i can see george scum and i don't think iv is scum? like?

why is my defense of dwlee weird when you literally attacked them for "they said they didn't read the game but they had reads", do you not see how that is an awful take from the outside?
what about my play around faker and iv is weird
why is weird scummy

none of this feels properly founded

[Datisi]

Had an nightmare today about failing my job interview, then almost dying after getting shot in an car by armed hijackers, destroying my own laptop because "they can’t have it" but also feeling sad about it, then waking up into my room but it’s filled with bees and mosquitos. But then ACTUALLY waking up.
Lovely.

i had a nightmare i was scum in this game and my partner got to y-1, and i had a great idea how to get the pressure off of them and onto a townie

but then n_m repped into a town slot and instantly hammered them and we lost

[Datisi]

i read 617 5 times and i still have no clue what the conclusions are there or how math is coming to them

[Datisi]

Damn i wish i could dream about games of mafia.

hey, last game i literally dreamed of a reason why math/umlaut are scum partners (at the time when i only knew umlaut was scum) and later on it turned out to be correct, so

[Datisi]

Not really sure that’s necessary but
1) Your posts give me scumpings frequently
2) You’re vastly different than in the prior game
3) Our reads are pretty much polar opposites in most regards (STD is a top town read, even though I disagree with their solve I could see George but not IV I don’t think George and you make sense though and you’re more likely)

Usually I can find a bit where I go “yeah okay”
But your defense of Dwlee is weird
Your play with Faker and IV is weird
I don’t get most of your reads where as you were much more charismatic in the mini normal

1) is meaningless on its own
2) yeah, this is a vastly different game. how is my apparent difference scummy?
3.1) if our reads are different, why does that make me scum as opposed to town with different thoughts? which of my reads are in bad faith?
3.2) are those not my reads?? i'm townreading std, i can see george scum and i don't think iv is scum? like?

why is my defense of dwlee weird when you literally attacked them for "they said they didn't read the game but they had reads", do you not see how that is an awful take from the outside?
what about my play around faker and iv is weird
why is weird scummy

none of this feels properly founded

1) Gut and scumpings are not meaningless.
2) You’re not charismatic town leader. So you’re scummy hence in my would elim pool.
3.1) Too much in contrast is the problem I have. With a town player I disagree with I at least see something I can agree with
3.2) I don’t remember the exact post but I remember that I wrote that with those thoughts.

I attacked them for lying. Pretty straightforward. You keep repeating the same thing. Do you expect a different answer?

Regarding Faker and IV that’s been covered extensively.

1) sorry, let me phrase that better: when you don't bother to elaborate on your gutpings, i can do nothing else but assume you are bullshitting a read and are too lazy to make up reasons for it
2) vastly different game. do you think i lead town every game? do you think i am not trying to solve here?
3) again, are those your reads (std iv townie, george scummy?) because that is literally how i'm seeing the game right now. so the "i don't agree with anything you said" is ???

yes, i expect that, if you're town, you're gonna take some time to try to understand my pov on why "they said they didn't read but they had reads" looks like a very bad faith argument and how there's more nuance to it. if you're scum, obviously you're gonna keep repeating the same thing

where did you cover it? you can just link it if i missed it

[Datisi]

Unless there’s 2 scum in that pool of three scum are in those 6 players
Distributed votes no incentive to bus…

No incentive to bus means scum are voting town.
If scum are voting town they’re not likely being wagoned

i still have no clue how you're getting here?

like, how do you get to "if scum are voting town, they're likely not being wagoned" do you expect scum to bus with just 2 votes on them?

[Datisi]

math, i really really don't care it was covered by other people. i'm asking for *your* thoughts. neither of those quotes actually explain why you thought my handling of the situation was weird, let alone scummy.

[Datisi]

Datisi can you explain why you townread me please?

the "why do you townread me for my unwnd read when i had a similar read on georgebailey when i was scum" arc, mostly. i'm thinking you bringing that up, knowing that it's likely to kill a reason of why i was townreading you, you had genuine intentions of trying to figure out if i was lying about my reasoning and that you didn't care if you destroyed my townread of you in the process.

this isn't *super* solid, but i know you become an easier read as the game goes on, so i'm not gonna sweat about it too much rn

[Datisi]

you don't have to explain it right away, we have 3 days. but i want to see actual your thoughts because hiding behind "others explained it better" isn't gonna win you any favours. and i can't discuss the wagon things now anyway since i'm obviously briandead for the wagon stuff and i wanna try to figure it out but i'm in a call rn so

[Datisi]

Like assume IV is scum >> then Norway and George prob town and innocent votes vanity because ….?
Assume Marci is scum >> Marci doesn’t vote anyone because …
Assume George is scum >> Makes IV almost certainly town, this makes Norway town for scum rarely double park town. So then Marci + George is possible but not very probable as Marci and George aren’t doing anything to stoke flames or division.

So I don’t see a way 2/3rss of IV/Marci/George are scum which means at most one is which means your wagons suck go vote a second choice or something.

marci said herself she has troubles finding votes as scum. and besides, while half the day has gone by, there's not a lot of actual content out there, and most of these wagons are there because of very flimsy reasoning. there's very little pressure for any of these. so i'm wary about any analysis done on wagons that don't feel serious. it feels like half the votes here could be changed pretty easily, which imo feels like it lowers the certainty of any analysis. and like, even with your analysis, it's perfectly likely that one of them is scum.

pedit: lol

[Datisi]

I think they do pretty well along with my prior ISO.

i'm expecting quotes/links to this statement when you can. because neither of the quotes you pulled up in 629 actually explain anything.

[Datisi]

okay I mean if it’s just for that reason eh idk

do you have any actual opinions on my play so far

[Datisi]

i think I’m weakly seeing Datisi as town here

pedit: wow good timing

I need to see more from you but Aorn I think ur fine this game tbh

I take it back idk

what happened here

[Datisi]

If we assume scum IV scum Datisi I mean possible but why would scum IV and scum Datisi 1v1 like that?

someone has obviously never seen 2175

[Datisi]

If we assume scum IV Datisi town then scum IV intentionally picks a fight with Datisi, doesn’t make sense to me
If we assume scum IV scum Datisi I mean possible but why would scum IV and scum Datisi 1v1 like that?

I don’t see IV as scum here

ftr that opening between the two of us was guaranteed to happen before any role pm even went out, it's nai any way you look at it

i dislike math's "scum always have a plan therefore this cannot be scum because--" because it heavily reminds me of arguments that math was pushing in the recently completed mini normal about what "scum is doing". now idk if town!math also does this because drawing hard conclusions solely from games of one alignment is bad but it's on my radar

also, @ math: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=84770

p sure micros and larges don'r even go up to those numbers yet

[Datisi]

yes, that is very much a yikes

assuming perfect play and only operating under the idea that the opponents will only do Perfect Moves (no, this is not a crumb) will lose you more games than it will win you and is generally a bad practice. unless you know everyone on the table is an extremely good player of [opposite alignment]. and also like i am again getting flashbacks to having had to argue this exact thing in the other game

[Datisi]

norwee what are your reads in this game of micro 1026: 09:12 | day 1

[Datisi]

Combining it here with latest votes we are looking at a stale vote from Datisi,

in response to this shade - there is a reason why my vote is still on george.

[Datisi]

Combining it here with latest votes we are looking at a stale vote from Datisi,

in response to this shade - there is a reason why my vote is still on george.

Which is?

[redacted] considering that me saying it now would let george know what to do in order to get me to unvote

[Datisi]

Your vote hasn’t moved for 100+ (guesstimate) posts and you don’t talk about George a lot.

Why are you voting one way yet pushing another?

my vote is staying on george until either [things] or deadline starts approaching and i'm forced to consolidate elsewhere to avoid a no-yeet.

i will not be twiddling my thumbs in the meantime, and will be pushing other people.

[Datisi]

And before you even go there Datisi I am hunting in my pool of four

norwee is the only person in your pool of four that i think isn't a bad vote right now, so like. i have zero (0) complaints.

[Datisi]

IV + Math or Dwlee's Marci concern is on the money and so were my gut concerns. It's not impossible for it to be george but either my reads are shit and he is or I have too many suspects and its likely that he's just not it. who knows mafia is a weird game.

I am probably never voting Faker slot.
I would rather vote one in the first 3 before voting Datisi.
I have not been presented with a reason to vote STD. Honestly same goes to IV I kinda don't get that one but I can see unwnd + IV being a team so like /shrug. Kinda leaving STD to the side for now.
don't have a norwee read yet. No reason to right now anyways. Tho I'm actually kinda mad that he won't let me troll him as easily

I feel like contributing so these are just my thoughts. I may or may not go back to trolling or actually contributing based on mood.

this post spoke to me at the time they made it

in retrospect they were already taking the idea that marci is scummy so maybe i shouldn't be giving too much credit for the townread on dwlee but it felt kinda mindmeldy to me at the time

[Datisi]

{STD, Math} - townlean

why is math town other than predecessor?

[Datisi]

so when he brings this up he's only ever scum if he's with innocentvillager, marcistar, GeorgeBailey as an excuse to save them UNLESS he thinks town is so apathetic that we're just never going to kill him or his partner (think that's too weird of gambit in this crowd ?)

i mean my problem is that currently both george and marci are below my null line so this doesn't do Much to convince me

and like, considering you have both of those as null/conflicted, i am kind of ? at you dismissing math!scum based on this when 2/3 of his possible partners you don't townread

I think Faker/Datisi containing scum is likely bullshit until people in the pool of {George, Math, IV, Marci} start flipping town.

what's the reason behind that pool and my alignment being dependent on it?

[Datisi]

@marci can you do like a general readslist with a few words for each player?

@iv i would like a response to 660

ok i don't think i have much to say that hasn't already been said, someone yell at me if i am needed

[Datisi]

he's not doing a great job saving his partner marci or George if my elimination doesn't go through

Datisi I did say that as the first reasoning

But then my part two i think is basically just he’s not doing a great job saving Marci or George especially by whiteknighting me so really I think the only pairing to me that makes a whole lot of sense objectively is with me

why is the possibility of "scum!math is failing at saving his partner" not an option there?

actually ehh saving you does look kinda weird there

[Datisi]

i want to say "if that's your opinion of my meta, why didn't you say anything at math saying that my meta is ~

datisi hates scum so if datisi is posting, datisi is town

~", but i'm aware that's more my ego speaking than anythign actually alignment indicative for you

though i guess it's *kind of* weird if you had thoughts along "if he's not townspewing, that's still not a towntell" and then like, didn't discuss that with math, but idk lol does anyone ever discuss every single thought they have? probably not and i'm nitpicking

[Datisi]

(1) i really do not care for "scum!me is better than this" arguments
(2) is iv even supposed to know that?

[Datisi]

should i lay down the evidence of how many times you said "scum!me doesn't end up in this situation" as scum in that mini normal?

What irks me is the “I don’t see it” after laying out a case and no one says why they don’t disagree.

what's the case again? you can just link it if i missed it

[Datisi]

well, that was my second guess, up until a few pages ago when it became my first lol

[Datisi]

great we can all sing kumbaya and lim GB now

what made you not want to kill iv anymore?

[Datisi]

also math, the reason why i didn't buy the case was bc 2 of the 4 points didn't seem ai (shitposting by images seemed to be the alt theme, and the transphobic content seemed like a misunderstanding/even if it was malicious, i don't think it was ai bc i generally assume at least a bit good faith) and the other two seemed plausible as scum but also plausible as town so /shrug

[Datisi]

Can we go back to playing mafia now?

ye

you can answer what your read on me is and why is my alignment dependant on the pool of 4 you put out earlier

[Datisi]

Because if it’s not those people then their concerns mean more and have more value to them since they’re villagers

?
like one person in that pool has actually expressed a negative read on me

[Datisi]

to be precise, i don't have a scumread on georgebailey, i have an absence of a townread due to absence of [thing]

which is different than a full blown scumread, but if george is insisting on not playing the game, then it half turns into policy so /shrug

[Datisi]

absence of a townread =/= scumread

in that game, scum fucked up by saying something scummy
rn george is not saying something townie
but absence of evidence isn't evidence of absense or something like that

[Datisi]

Sounds like meta but we will ignore that for now

also my read in that game was 100% meta but you weren't complaining about the d1 scumflip were you

[Datisi]

I think my 2v2v2 analysis was right.
Std thinks it was wrong.

Does anyone else think it was wrong?

wasn't the reason it was wrong because you were working from an incorrect vc?

[Datisi]

my issue is that none of the wagons were especially solid / seemed like they were likely to go through. which imo makes it solid ground for scum who threw on a throwaway bus vote to be idly sitting on that wagon waiting for a good opening to jump off.

[Datisi]

i thought we were assuming perfect don corleone play >_>

who's your current targets then?

[Datisi]

i am kind of annoyed that math seems to hold both "we must assume scum are good players and always have a plan and aren't doing anything accidentally" and "no, we cannot assume scum is doing this good move"

i'm not getting the same spine chilling feeling from math that i did last game but like, a lot of this solving feels almost arbitrary

[Datisi]

why is iv scum again

[Datisi]

ftr george still hasn't done the thing and anyone who doesn't want to vote him is free to explain what they townread about him

[Datisi]

so george/norwee again it is

[Datisi]

i believe that is y-1 ^^

lolhammer is policied tomorrow etc etc

[Datisi]

are you planning on finishing that readslist?

[Datisi]

george feels less awkward than he did the last time i saw scum!him but that alone is probably not enough to make me change my mind here

[Datisi]

yes its happening too easily and quickly at the endings of phase that it feels WEIRD AF

it took him a while to get here despite being utter yeetbait and a few people defend him so i'm gonna need a bit more substance here

[Datisi]

sigh

not what i was looking for but that is making me doubt myself ngl

george should be back home in like 3-4 hours i think? looking forward to the deets

[Datisi]

GeorgeBailey (3): Datisi, Save The Dragons, MathBlade, Dwlee99

should be 4 and that's not the right order of votes

[Datisi]

okay okay we're running out of time
i'm getting this sinking feeling that george is actually town, his wagon is mostly town, and scum is sitting by the sidelines not doing shit because they don't care

i would have much more confidence in this if george were here and actually playing the damn game he signed up to play but here we are ig

also i hate about everything that marci has put out in the last page or so and her resistance to george kiiinda feels like scum last minute defending a loltownie who's about to flip and uh

do we last minute flashwagon or not

[Datisi]

george has very few posts and prior to that one post earlier today, had outted maybe like, 2 reads. that is barely playing.

why wouldn't scum defend yeetbait that is about to flip? i've seen it plenty of times.

[Datisi]

that's personal style rather than anything actually ai

doesn't scum!marci have similar jokey tone? not saying this is her scumgame bc tone, but like, doesn't she usually replicate it? that one game that i skimmed at some point in my life seemed like her tone wasn't super serious as scum

[Datisi]

i see that george is online

i will probably be online for maaaybe the next hour until i pass out. if i see anything good from his posting until then i'll probably switch votes. not sure what to swtich *to* though, i have multiple people i don't townread and they don't make sense as partners x_x

[Datisi]

it's like every time i think "ok this person is at y-1 and i don't want a yeet yet but it's fine right" it turns out to be not fine

policying that tomorrow if green and possibly if red too

gnite

[Datisi]

there was no claim, so no it's not fine

[Datisi]

ok, considering the 1-shot strongman got yoted and possible tprs can get clears/guilties now, i see two possible plans for today:

(1) we massclaim and make public plans for the power roles

(2) we get norwee to claim, yeet the f out of him if he claims vt, and massclaim tomorrow if game not over

[Datisi]

ok what else

i am surprised that game is unlocked already considering ot hasn't been 48 hours yet, unless everyone aaked for fast night other than me but ok

and also i don't think scum!dwlee with partner george makes 888, ever. so.

[Datisi]

the reason why i kind of prefer (1) is because then if there's a jk/rb, we will know for sure who they blacked if they get killed, and also i'm paranoid of having a babysitter in town and scum getting a double pr kill or smt

but i guess i'll be going by majority rules

[Datisi]

going off play, i think it's norwee > marci > fuck there's a deepwolf

i thought it could be alisae, but on second thought, i think alisae would've had enough brain to tell george to out a pr on his was down, rather than just hammering him out of the blue

[Datisi]

y

[Datisi]

why do we even need order for massclaim, not like scum can claim anything other than vt

[Datisi]

why the hell do people think i'm a masochist and insist on turbobussing my strongman for the whole goddamn day 1 when i know very well that 99/100 ends in me entering autoloss

[Datisi]

you're not fucking serious

if i had wanted to get george off i would have

you were pushing to get off george for half the day

[Datisi]

are those questions specifically @ norwee or to the table

[Datisi]

Haven’t read scum is in Datisi and Std imho

try reading?

I did. Rl came up and everyone else had to vote fast night including scum which means scum has a strategy.

mod literally admitted to making a mod error by ending the night too early, try again

[Datisi]

i think marci will now claim pr which is gonna be funny

[Datisi]

fucking pedits i called it

jailed std?

[Datisi]

alisae, is there a point to ordered massclaim

like it's an open setup with confirmed exactly 2 tprs

[Datisi]

scum literally cannot claim anything other than vt without getting into autoloss

also i'm vt

this post is very funny i know

[Datisi]

when you give the town the strongman flip d1 and people still think ut scum lol

[Datisi]

i'm literally the worst check because i'm so clearly town by virtue of not being an idiot who would bus my own strongman the whole game

i don't have time to read everything rn but that plan is Bad

[Datisi]

VOTE: norwee

[Datisi]

i think i'd sooner believe std was a save rather than a block

if i'm wrong then my bad but i think i'd rather he be jailed again then yeeted

[Datisi]

than*, but maybe then works too lol

[Datisi]

@marci it's up to you, but i would like to recommend jailing norwee tonight if we yeet std and it greens

this is at least 75% because i don't want math to be conftown because then scum can freely sheep him

[Datisi]

If I was scum then how would the night end early, especially without a submission?

???

mod thought the night deadline expired. if you're scum and you submitted nothing, the mod is just gonna resolve that as you taking no action? like what are you trying to imply with this

[Datisi]

wait hold on am i stupid i might be stupid pause

[Datisi]

i am half stupid nvm carry on with your day

pedit: tbh i have no clue either

[Datisi]

marci it's up to you, but i would like to recommend jailing norwee tonight if we yeet std and it greens

Why in the scebario that STD is green?

because if we yeet std and he's red the game is over

if we yeet anyone other than std and they're green, std should be jailed again

[Datisi]

i don't want to elim you out of bad paranoia i want to elim you bc your read on me is bad and you're refusing to listen to reason

but also i thought we should always be paranoid of you? or was that some scum bs you said in the mini normal

[Datisi]

sure. it's up to marci anyway. just make sure she makes her target known before eod.

[Datisi]

reads are not irrelevant because there's a difference btwn using one of those checks on a player in the poe or wasting it on someone who drove the strongman wagon for the whole day 1 lol

[Datisi]

Except you didn’t lol and you tried to wagon anyone else at the end.

ah yes

which is why i kept my vote firmly planted on george, because i was hoping that i would be able to vote elsewhere

even though i was able to just Not vote george in the first place

i agree it's not worth getting into it with you but holy fuck

[Datisi]

nobody was scumreading george before me

i don't bus him for cred because any cred after he flips is irrelevant

go look at 2175 if you want to see how it actually looks when i switch to trying to save my partner after bussing them throughout day 1

[Datisi]

speaking of 2175 where the f is iv

[Datisi]

hmm

in the iv/gb world, the bussing direction was "correct" (strongman bussing goon but not vice versa), what throws me off is that i know iv goes all in in arguing with partners, and this isn't his style. but he knows that i know that, so maybe purposefully switching meta.

the other thing is that he's kinda ded right now, when i with fully expect town!iv to be full of life and excited to solve because yo we just had scumflip (yeah ik vacation or something, waiting for his return ig)

the other other thing is that i've scumread iv in every town game he's had with me... but he's bound to rand scum against me at some point right??

[Datisi]

cursory glance at mod iso makes me think it was suboptimal for george to try to bus there but smt smt tmi

iv literally never mentions george other than nullbin him

would explain the shot in std rather than me (p sure i'm the only one this familiar with his meta to be defending him for his associates w george)

UNVOTE:

this is where i would vote iv, but tbh i have faith in being able to recognize townspewing!him and i don't want another lolhammer

[Datisi]

something something spiritual vote on iv idk i'm gonna go pass out

[Datisi]

whenever someone says dumb shit like "haha town is in a great spot, there's no way we lose here!! " i'm like blease shut the fucc up

uhhh
iv why has most of your recent posting been about mech
i see you have a poe of nor/ali but can you like, Talk about it and show your towny thought process or something

i'm on a like 3 game streak of not misyeeting you i want to bring it up to 4 here if possible

[Datisi]

because i don't think std busses george like he did

like at the time of the vote, i was the only person voting george, and from the outside, my reasons weren't really solid and probably could have been easily ignored

why would std then help me vote him out when it would've been much easier to just ignore me?

[Datisi]

VOTE: georgebailey

like at the time i'm the only person on george, and there's the arguments about math/m&m

after this vote, dwlee jumped on too

like why does he make this vote? the only reason i can think of is if he thought nobody was gonna bite and he could just lolunvote later and then dwlee fucked him over by going "actually lol i'mma just sheep datisi" and he got locked into the bus

but i feel like he could've just as easily NOT made that vote

[Datisi]

imho std makes a little bit of sense as a shot in scum!iv world for reasons already stated (mainly scum!iv would need me alive to point out his play around george is the polar opposite of his usual scum partner interactions)

i know this is a stretch already and i can't figure out any good reasons for anyone else to shoot at std but like, i also don't think that was a bus so maybe it was just a kinda townie maybe pr shot? idk

[Datisi]

but the point is that that bus wasn't forced at all - literally i was the only person who was suspecting george at the time, and you had math who was shading me for the vote and drilling it into everyone's heads how george is a shit vote because something something wagons.

like my point is that if std hadn't voted george then, there is very good chance that george's wagon never takes off in the first place

like do you think the thread atmosphere was going after george? do you think he was an inevitable day 1 yeet at the time? because i surely didn't get that feeling

[Datisi]

to defend him against whom??? i was the only person voting him, i was being shouted out, and my reasonings themselves weren't that strong

[Datisi]

like do you think the thread atmosphere was going after george? do you think he was an inevitable day 1 yeet at the time? because i surely didn't get that feeling

Yes

can you elaborate on this then? because this is the exact opposite of how i was feeling at the time

[Datisi]

Is raybells the legendary RC?

YESSIR
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _to_bus%3F

from that article:

If you bussing your partner is going to make town massively stronger then fight to the death to keep them alive, because if one of you is gonna go down the both of you probably are.

ngl to me this sounds kinda like getting your strongman voted out day one in a game where you know there will be 1-2 tprs that will then gain the ability to hardclear or guilty people

maybe i shouldn't be arguing this because std can't live to endgame anyway and has to get cleared and i'll just look like a moron if it does turn out to be a bus

but ugh i don't see it

[Datisi]

i think we're disagreeing on what "highly liable to get wagoned" means, as well as risk/reward

like there was no way to know marci was gonna claim jk and that that push would go to shit

and to me it still feels like voting your strongman out is lowkey suicide and that risking tipping the wagon off is extremely bad but like

i'm too tired to argue about this when it doesn't even matter

[Datisi]

ali, am i right in thinking that you basically never just hammer george out of the blue without getting him to out a pr on his way down

[Datisi]

i don't get how assuming "std is scum who did this good play as scum of getting onto a bus of his deadweight teammate early (sorry george) and that's good play because he's milking the towncread but it's also a bad play because it is literally suicide" is easier than "std got shot"

but again

doesn't matter, he has to get cleared before endgame, i will go play videogames now before going to sleep

[Datisi]

how is that against my point of why the fuck wpuld he be doing that to his strongman

like i don't think george was even scummy to me at page 7? like why

[Datisi]

if std flips red you get my genuine apology

[Datisi]

guy was prepared to bus since page 7, guy is gonna bus

aajdgakhda but why do you get prepared from page 7 to bus your strongman

like i would get if he was keeping options open since george is kinda yeetbait and being on strongman wagon does look like if it comes down to it

but dude literally went "yep, george and iv are scum, everyone else is town, gg case closed" like why

[Datisi]

iv when can i expect a more detailed elaboration of your reads

[Datisi]

ali who hurt you

[Datisi]

tbh it slightly bothers me that you are telling me to "show my towny thought process" directly doesn't that just tell scum!me what to talk about and say? why not reserve that part in private ig, if u really thought me only talking about mech was somehow scumindicative why not just wait for me to keep spewing mech

eh maybe there's nothing to be worried about here but ill just post this anyways

because i don't think you spewing mech is outside of your townrange so it's useless

if you kept spewing nothing but mech then yes maybe it would let me scumread you but i'm impatient and just because i tell you "i want to see your thought process" it doesn't mean that scum!you will magically then know *how* to fake a thought process that i will find townie

incidentally you have still explained like almost nothing of your townreads so

[Datisi]

ok, can we get marci to confirm she's jailing math, and then yeet std and move on? i still have basically no faith that flips red, but i can see its needed for the gamestate or something like that so we might as well keep the game moving

[Datisi]

@iv, no

i already said ali is town because e hammered george without getting him to out a pr (when i'm pretty sure i remember a post of ali saying how e knows the strategy of outing a pr on the way down and that that's the correct play, i can try to find it if you want) and nor is one of the unclaimed people which might be better left for tomorrow - tbh i still think he's the most likely scum via the associates w george but he will have to get cleared at some point, probably tomorrow if both std/math are misses (unless pr in which case he also gets cleared tomorrow via claim) so y'know

like i feel like i usually would, but i can see that the town is gonna be dumbtunnelled on std as long as he is breathing, so i can see the value in killing him so that we can focus on killing actual scumy tomorrow (unless he flips red and ngl his silence is starting to worry me that i'm gonna look like a moron in post game but i'm fine winning like that tbh) so uh yeah

[Datisi]

should i be worried about the fact that your only analysis so far has been on the one person that the town is set on killing and that it's p much parroting what i said about him?

[Datisi]

not necessarily, but there's only so long i'm gonna be giving norwee extra time on the basis of he might be pr

i might change my mind and go after iv tomorrow instead though, who knows

[Datisi]

i mean probably yeah, your associates with george are like uh y'know not very good

maybe you could impress me with some bomb analysis, but i can't promise anything

[Datisi]

it's not physically possible for norwee and george to not roll scum together in a game, you can't change my mind >_>

[Datisi]

replace george with std, he's saying there's a "guilty" on std so the laws of mafia say we must kill there

[Datisi]

Spoiler: uhhh

because i don't think std busses george like he did

like at the time of the vote, i was the only person voting george, and from the outside, my reasons weren't really solid and probably could have been easily ignored

why would std then help me vote him out when it would've been much easier to just ignore me?

VOTE: georgebailey

like at the time i'm the only person on george, and there's the arguments about math/m&m

after this vote, dwlee jumped on too

like why does he make this vote? the only reason i can think of is if he thought nobody was gonna bite and he could just lolunvote later and then dwlee fucked him over by going "actually lol i'mma just sheep datisi" and he got locked into the bus

but i feel like he could've just as easily NOT made that vote

imho std makes a little bit of sense as a shot in scum!iv world for reasons already stated (mainly scum!iv would need me alive to point out his play around george is the polar opposite of his usual scum partner interactions)

i know this is a stretch already and i can't figure out any good reasons for anyone else to shoot at std but like, i also don't think that was a bus so maybe it was just a kinda townie maybe pr shot? idk

but the point is that that bus wasn't forced at all - literally i was the only person who was suspecting george at the time, and you had math who was shading me for the vote and drilling it into everyone's heads how george is a shit vote because something something wagons.

like my point is that if std hadn't voted george then, there is very good chance that george's wagon never takes off in the first place

like do you think the thread atmosphere was going after george? do you think he was an inevitable day 1 yeet at the time? because i surely didn't get that feeling

to defend him against whom??? i was the only person voting him, i was being shouted out, and my reasonings themselves weren't that strong

like do you think the thread atmosphere was going after george? do you think he was an inevitable day 1 yeet at the time? because i surely didn't get that feeling

Yes

can you elaborate on this then? because this is the exact opposite of how i was feeling at the time

Is raybells the legendary RC?

YESSIR
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _to_bus%3F

from that article:

If you bussing your partner is going to make town massively stronger then fight to the death to keep them alive, because if one of you is gonna go down the both of you probably are.

ngl to me this sounds kinda like getting your strongman voted out day one in a game where you know there will be 1-2 tprs that will then gain the ability to hardclear or guilty people

maybe i shouldn't be arguing this because std can't live to endgame anyway and has to get cleared and i'll just look like a moron if it does turn out to be a bus

but ugh i don't see it

i think we're disagreeing on what "highly liable to get wagoned" means, as well as risk/reward

like there was no way to know marci was gonna claim jk and that that push would go to shit

and to me it still feels like voting your strongman out is lowkey suicide and that risking tipping the wagon off is extremely bad but like

i'm too tired to argue about this when it doesn't even matter

i don't get how assuming "std is scum who did this good play as scum of getting onto a bus of his deadweight teammate early (sorry george) and that's good play because he's milking the towncread but it's also a bad play because it is literally suicide" is easier than "std got shot"

but again

doesn't matter, he has to get cleared before endgame, i will go play videogames now before going to sleep

how is that against my point of why the fuck wpuld he be doing that to his strongman

like i don't think george was even scummy to me at page 7? like why

guy was prepared to bus since page 7, guy is gonna bus

aajdgakhda but why do you get prepared from page 7 to bus your strongman

like i would get if he was keeping options open since george is kinda yeetbait and being on strongman wagon does look like if it comes down to it

but dude literally went "yep, george and iv are scum, everyone else is town, gg case closed" like why

[Datisi]

i got kicked out of the match due to inactivity while trying to quote that i hope you're happy now

[Datisi]

maybe i was focused more on the "doesn't make sense as a bus" but you get the idea

yes i mean on d2, i would've expected you'd be thrilled to be solving now that we have a damn strongman flipped on d1 and it kinda feels not up to standard idk

[Datisi]

agh i reread your points on std i guess they go a Bit more in depth other than "std bus make no sense"

my other points still stand but yeah fair it wasn't a complete parrot

[Datisi]

i don’t know why you’re characterizing that as my “only analysis so far” do you mean D2? I feel like throughout this game I have given a decent amount of my thoughts...

ngl at this moment i genuinely can't remember a single thing you did on d1 other than that we had some nonsense fights at some point like we usually do

this might be my lack of sleep rather than your lack of contribution, i will review it at some point before trying to murder you

[Datisi]

Jailkeeper on StD again is a bad idea then scum no kill and day is repeated.

you say that like getting an extra misyeet from two no-kills is a bad thing

[Datisi]

maybe i'm confbiased seeing and what i want to see but i would bet like half a sandwich on someone here angling for an iv misyeet tomorrow after we murder std

zzz

has marci been back yet?

[Datisi]

Jailkeeper on StD again is a bad idea

then scum no kill

and day is repeated.

you say that like getting an extra misyeet from two no-kills is a bad thing

It is in an StD town world because

scum just kill Marci

.

We need to be smart and elim StD and just wait on Marci to come back.

And if y’all elim IV and IV flips town I am going to reserve the biggest amount of told you sos.

what?

[Datisi]

VOTE: std

i can't wait to lose this game because of some bullshit

still think this is green but something something has to get cleared etc

[Datisi]

not sure what you find townie there, considering you're currently voting iv?

[Datisi]

i am also starting to townread iv :/ i don't recall you throwing fits like this as scum in a very losing position, no?

but also norwee might be town because i feel like scum!him needs me as a misyeet here and making up some convoluted reason to townread just me feels like, a bit unnecessary

not impossible if he hopes someone else will push me for him so that later on he can throw a fit for me being misyeeted, but like, on average maybe +town?

so i guess i have now gone all the way to "is this just std lol"

[Datisi]

bigger question is why the hell would norwee babysit mathblade... like babysitting anyone other than the person who would've become conftown on norwee's death would've put us in literal autowin :/

[Datisi]

then we can wait for marci ig

in any case this game got harder and i hate it

[Datisi]

we need one town in 4 to win, yes (grumble grumble goddammit norwee why the fuck would you target math)

my current bet for scum is iv > dwlee > alisae, i am slightly worried that i'm betting so much on my idea that scum!alisae wouldn't lolhammer his partner without forcing a counterclaim, especially when i don't really love the rest of the iso but

idk lol hopefully it's just iv idk lol

[Datisi]

because i am putting a l o t of stock into my read of "scum!alisae doesn't do that thing that alisae did"

granted i also don't think scum!you decides to blindly sheep me and also give me credit for it, so

i am kind of really hoping it's iv bc if it's not then i need to pick btwn one of you and god help me

fwiw i strongly disagree that faker was obvtown but i might be biased there

[Datisi]

Also once Marci either comes back or we have a replacement then jailkeeper jails you after we kill IV.

i mean, i still think that i should be very obvtown here because again, why the fuck do i bus my strongman on day one from page <10 or whatever

also that leaves f3 hammer in my hands and is that what you really want

[Datisi]

i'll properly read later but from my quick skim

@alisae why are you now saying i'm town (and apparently based on d2) when you entered the day voting me
@iv can you not shade for low effort i've been sick as shit the past three days, also what low effort i've been around constantly
@dwlee i agree with 1730

i did for a second wonder if ali/george is possible if no daytalk but rules said there is daytalk so yeah i guess not. the only other possibility there is if alisae was yelling at george in scumchat to fakeclaim and he was completely ignoring that which doesn't really strike me as something he would do? anyway effort from me by the end of the (irl) day, i still wanna rest my nerves a bit and that includes not stressing about mafia for now, especially since the mbos game just ended

[Datisi]

I mean why can’t the same be said for datisi’s bus on George (which he did try to back out of last minute)

considering you've had the front seat to seeing how i bus and how i transition from bussing to saving a teammate, part of me wants to kill you just for this line alone

which on one hand i know is kind of unreasonable because would i really do the same thing twice but on the other come on

[Datisi]

a wild dkkoba appears???

[Datisi]

You get to act like scum for free and Datisi will never tell.
It's a repeat of undertale all over again.
Datisi do you remember that btw?
you know how much I kept yelling that Krazy and tw was scum?
And you remember who you let win that game?

you mean that game where i was fucking screaming that krazy's slot was scum since day 2? you mean that game?? where i kept trying to get krazy's slot eliminated even after he did some bullshit trust tell and nobody else wanted to go there??? is that the game you're talking about, alisae??????

[Datisi]

also uhh i got distracted editing my wiki page and now it's past 2 am, i'll try to read what i missed but possible i leave parts of it for tomorrow

[Datisi]

You get to act like scum for free and Datisi will never tell.
It's a repeat of undertale all over again.
Datisi do you remember that btw?
you know how much I kept yelling that Krazy and tw was scum?
And you remember who you let win that game?

you mean that game where i was fucking screaming that krazy's slot was scum since day 2? you mean that game?? where i kept trying to get krazy's slot eliminated even after he did some bullshit trust tell and nobody else wanted to go there??? is that the game you're talking about, alisae??????

I WAS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO VOTE DUCKIE

AND WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I WAS TRYING TO DO

JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT HAMMER THAT EXACT MOMENT YOU WANTED IT WHEN I WAS GETTING OFF THE BUS AND ABOUT TO WALK TO UNI CLASS AND WANTED A BIT MORE TIME TO THINK DOESN'T MEAN I DIDN'T WANT HIM DEAD

HOLY SHIT I'M STILL MAD ABOUT THAT GAME

[Datisi]

@alisae why are you now saying i'm town (and apparently based on d2) when you entered the day voting me

can you answer this while i read pls