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[innocentvillager]

lmao I forgot about this game oop

[innocentvillager]

why are there 3 votes on me? u n a c c e p t a b l e !!

oh it’s the scumteam nvm ez gg

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Datsii

[innocentvillager]

soo what’s going on guys anything interesting happen or nah

[innocentvillager]

Hi IV can you give real reads? Thank

I just got here man

they will come

in due time

[innocentvillager]

sorry I mean *man* in a gender neutral way don’t mean to misgender you

[innocentvillager]

I’m sorry dwlee maybe it’s the prof pic it looks like a man

still not an excuse

[innocentvillager]

my solve is currently datsi/NM/T3

dont @me

@Aristeia

i laughed

[innocentvillager]

is salsa always at the top of post count game? damn

Datisi looks like he’s doing his thing where he’s imposing himself on the game and that scummy jk it’s probably not

[innocentvillager]

woo Daddisi’s 17 was a huge flex and I am alll for it

[innocentvillager]

mewtaph is faker 2.0 so prolly town

[innocentvillager]

Nm is miller and therefore confirmed town very cool

[innocentvillager]

I didn't read but I just remembered I forgot to claim I'm a miller

Now THATs a troll right

right

[innocentvillager]

I'm VT please ignore me

nice page 3 claim dwlee why?

[innocentvillager]

Nm is miller and therefore confirmed town very cool

i like to imagine this post was meant for the scum pt

stop shading me datsii

[innocentvillager]

Lol, page 1 just unloading the cannon.

I actually didn't like 10 more, I was voting for that before I was sniped. It reads like cautious scum, they want to make a vote to build a wagon and force pressure to look town but don't want to step on any toes, so they pull all the teeth from the vote saying it's for pressure and they're not sure what for.

I'm continuing to be selfish here in not explaining my full thought process behind the vote but I don't think stating that you're applying additional pressure necessarily removes the teeth away from the vote. Nor do I have the intention of building a wagon, either. If that was my intention then I wouldn't have made the vote in the way that I did.

This isn’t really a town post but it’s a good post

this is good posting by fake datisi

not a townpost but a good post

[innocentvillager]

ok real datsii is scum up to page 4 thank you

[innocentvillager]

Datisi is town
Dwlee is town
Margot is scum

VOTE: MargotRosa

Oh I thought that was a joke

Gamma your reads are flawless

Fakedatisi and dwlee are vibing and real daddisi is trying to fit in

[innocentvillager]

I'm VT please ignore me

Wtf! I had a bunch of questions

weird unnatural rxn

[innocentvillager]

Lol salsaboi is just unabombah 2.0 huh

[innocentvillager]

is this what it’s like to do an Ico style catchup? woww

anyways back to work I got through a very productive 5 pages

scum are Datisi salsa and margot
Town are dwlee mewtaph and gamma

[innocentvillager]

oh and nm obviously

this game so ez weeeeee

[innocentvillager]

um hello guys???

[innocentvillager]

i'm a bit busy for the next 4-5 hours so i'll properly read and respond to all the posts then (i've skimmed a bit), but i wanted to out a hot take in the meantime:

iv is likely scum. the fact that he hasn't returned from his catching up yet from yesterday (and that catchup was like 5 pages with non-explained reads? lol) is indicative that he doesn't want to be in this game. and as much as it pains me to say, if iv is red, aristeia is somewhat likely to be a partner. mainly because her reads seem to be kind of consensus-y/yeetbaity players, but there's absolutely no mention of iv anywhere, who i think would fit that description rn. her last game with me made me think she's anti bus, so i could see her be trying to divert attention from iv here.

okay this is the basis for my push?

Datisi idk wtf ur doing here I hope you don’t actually believe this

I have been playing this game for less than 24 hours phoneposting and I am like 20+ pages behind or whatever

Granted the late start was my fault but I don’t see how You could think I’m just scum here

My catch was done in the middle of the workday which I don’t really have a real break I’m taking time out to play this

If you MUST know what I was doing last night I am with my partner celebrating a holiday and I don’t really want to be playing mafiascum during that

Was I seriously about to die because I hadn’t posted for like 16 hours?? Hello what the fuck Datisi? And how did people agree with that?

I swear dogshit like this makes me want to go back into hiatus I don’t have like 2 hours every day to devote to this and I shouldn’t have to explain myself every time I go away for a very reasonable amount of time

Datisi you are scum here trying to push a fast one on me while I am still in catchup more or town doing idk what maybe trying to tilt me into this. like I’d like to think Town gou isn’t this bad how can you possibly show so much confidence in this read just based on that. I hope you have a great explanation for this or I am vote parking you the rest of the game

actually one of the most ridiculous flashwagons I have seen in my life

Margot is also scum here or needs to go back to Newbie queue for intentionally putting me at E1 this early on AND asking for a claim especially with NM in the game but maybe not even

I will put a little bit of time into this tonight but if I’m going to get killed because im not poring over this for hours a day like cmon that’s just ridiculous

[innocentvillager]

UNVOTE:

Word of warning, NM loves to hammer at E-1.

okay cool this can be town it doesn’t get enough towncred for the action and it’s strictly superior as scum to just say nothing

[innocentvillager]

Datisi you have suspected me on day 1 literally every single game whether I am scum or not. This is first time youve genuinely pushed so aggressively on me and based on this? can you please explain what is going through your mind here

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Aristeia
Okay so like IV wack but also

What is happening

this too

Datisi if you want an explanation for my earlier read I was just shotgunning reads based on initial gut impressions. I thought your presence in the first few pages felt more like trying to establish yourself early in the game rather than guiding the game with less presence like I’ve seen in some of your towngames. i liked your early posting but that doesn’t make youre town, we both know you’re very capable of making all those posts as scum too and on a gut level i think the quantity and presence of it felt a little off. It’s not a strong read obviously I was conflicted on it but said it anyway like who cares

I do think this push is actually scum indicative of you tho and i don’t plan on letting you slide away from this one easily.

[innocentvillager]

I thought I explained it I liked roden’s unvote and mention of NM?

haven’t really looked at that slot much tho

why you ask?

[innocentvillager]

Datisi

I think this is a timeframe thing

did you not read the part where I said I forgot this game existed

yes it is my fault for doing that but I have been playing this game for less than 24 hours RL

your characterization of me “returning after 2 days posting catchup of just 5 pages and dipping” is really uncharitable and for you to be pushing me on content based on this

the fact that you are still haranguing me for this is weird and makes me think you are more likely to be just emulating what you think town you would be doing to me

also, I rescind the point about the flashwagon, I realized I was directing a disproportionate amount of my tilt to you rather than the flashwagon as a whole because clearly u didn’t like some of the hop ons either

[innocentvillager]

getting narrativy and stretching here but maybe you were hoping the flashwagon woukd happen due to ur influence and could ultimately claim no responsibility. apparently the game thinks u are town for some reason. guess it’s in the 20 pages I didn’t read idk

[innocentvillager]

also oop about Roden sorry never played with mod confirmed town at gamestart before so probs just glazed over that

[innocentvillager]

I was considering aristea, but then I realized if IV was really catching up he would have already seen me missing post 2's IC reveal

iv how do you plead?

i did not make it that far yet

I’m still phoneposting at work when I get home later today or tm I will review more on comp

[innocentvillager]

it’s one thing to pester me about it until I develop takes and another to push strongly for my elim 24 hrs into my entrance

do you really think scum me would fake forgetting about the game? why would I do that/whats the scum indication behind it for you?

[innocentvillager]

also, I gave initial first impression takes and why were they shit again? just because I had you as lolscum and didn’t explain them? I hope you are calling out any read with no explanation as shit then because if not I don’t see what in particular made mine bad

[innocentvillager]

okay maybe not that very exact scenario but certainly there’s plenty of scum!motivation for u to start pushing me right when I’m not responding and u are townread no? I think ppl expressed concerns with my catchup or whatever idk it all just seemed like kind of opportunistic timing maybe baiting an early wagon on me

certainly this scenario that actually arose was a really good result for scum!you

[innocentvillager]

get in line Ari I’m always datisi’s front and center

[innocentvillager]

i have a meeting I’ll get back to this later

DONT KILL ME FOR DIPPING DATISI

[innocentvillager]

okay maybe not that very exact scenario but certainly there’s plenty of scum!motivation for u to start pushing me right when I’m not responding and u are townread no? I think ppl expressed concerns with my catchup or whatever idk it all just seemed like kind of opportunistic timing maybe baiting an early wagon on me

certainly this scenario that actually arose was a really good result for scum!you

ah yes, this scenario, where now half the game is townreading you for throwing a fit for being wagoned early, exactly like scum!me planned

why couldn't think have happened in 2175

oh datisi if only i were scum with you again and got to try that again

also don't think half the game is townreading me? idk well if they are good for me i guess

i was more referring to the part where i get run up i think uk what i mean

[innocentvillager]

it’s one thing to pester me about it until I develop takes and another to push strongly for my elim 24 hrs into my entrance

do you really think scum me would fake forgetting about the game? why would I do that/whats the scum indication behind it for you?

i never pushed to kill you. i never asked for a hammer, i said myself the flashwagon was odd and probably had scum on it. don't misrep me.

yeah, i don't see why you wouldn't? like, 9:12 literally just ended, i can see scum!you being tired and deciding to just Not Post to then later on go "hehe sorry guys i like totally forgot about this game lol"

in that case i'd assume you also have at least some faith in your partners to not fully fuck up but eh, that's too far out there to speculate i think

okay u actually pushed me and mini-cased me sorry im being imprecise with my language ill try to be more careful. but the point is this is the most you've done to kill me like ever up to this point and again i refer u back to the 24 hours thing

so this is in the world where we assume i never lie about forgetting about the game, i think ur case is weak although i did just skim the whole game and don't feel like i missed much

the other world where scum!me or even town!me might lie about forgetting the game is pretty ridiculous imo? idk if i was scum i wouldn't just not post at all bc i feel like that would get looked on as scummy? i realize now that u have been pushing this for a while which is concerning but apparently other ppl bought it too so idk. i just can't imagine scum!me going "ugh im so exhausted, im literally going to NOT POST and pretend i was just gone, instead of at least checking in with the thread and joining RVS" but to each their own i guess. idk i still think ur push is really shallow but i guess there is a headspace where it can come from town!you too.

i don't think me forgetting about this game is AI i could see myself forgetting about this as scum too lol i had a p busy weekend

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: MargotRosa

datisi's push was kind bad but margot actively wanting me to claim at E1 has a super level1 possible scum!motivation behind it

margot can you explain why you wanted a whole ass claim from me despite me having like 0 content and just joining the game for 24 hrs, when we are still very early into D1?

[innocentvillager]

just some brief thoughts i had on my skim

townlean i guess

T3 - I remember meta'ing this guy back in DEFCON mafia but i feel like he's way different now this doesn't resemble either his town or scum game. Guy doesn't care he's posting every thought and just vibing. which is kind of what i do as scum sometimes too but i don't think it's something most ppl do. Being open about feeling disconnected from the game feels +town and i some of his content looks bad on the surface but he doesn't give a fuck and i think some of his takes were reasonable. The "mindmeld" with salsa post felt real and i think the excitement was genuine idk that was kinda townpingy i guess. flashvote on me was bad but he could just be trigger happy.

north of null

kyouko - anyone who proactively and early does a meta dive scumcase that clearly laid out with no bullshit can be a townlean, unless it's someone who i know can put in the effort as scum like datisi. maybe kyouko's a good scum player too so idk but fine keeping that slot around for now. i feel meh about trusting these kinds of tells because i think they tend to be mean-reverting more than ppl expect but i like the spirit

datsi - concise and nonpostury takes are very non-lamist. i think scum!gamma might be more lamisty and wordy which is the vibe i got from him in LN something

mew - idk i take back the faker comparison he seems to be very open about his thoughts and is very willing to explain everything he's thinking which is a plus - maybe he's scum good at faking this kind of stuff even under pressure tho idk seems redeemable at least

idk

datisi - i honestly have no idea on datisi nothing he's done makes me think town or scum. push on me was bad but i can see it from scum him too. sorry dayteezee i know u are good at getting ppl to townread you but not me yet. i feel like as i keep interacting with you ill get a better sense for your alignment

salsa - i get a T3/unabombah vibe from this slot very spammy and ico style catchup lol. granted una was scum in the game im thinking of but vibe here is very frazzled. idk i can't really put into words here yet but meh.

dwlee - i think some of their earlier posting was fine and reminiscent of our recent game but i wasn't exactly trying to read dwlee there so idk this reread dwlee didn't stand out like at all. idk

[innocentvillager]

everyone else

nm is like 95% town for the miller claim because nm knows how to play mafia but doesn't care enough to fakeclaim miller as scum.

ari, chaos no idea

margot kind of blends into the background aside from that crazy E1? it feels weird that she feels obligated to update her reads list so much but that's probably just a playstyle thing. or a self conscious newb scum ha. regardless im sure ill get a better sense of this slot after voteparking her

i would attempt a dumb early solve but it's literally too dumb and too early so ill just wait until i get in the game a little more before utterly embarrassing myself (not that it's going to increase my read accuracy much anyway probs, lol)

[innocentvillager]

To be clear, I'm not frustrated that people are FoS'ing me. I'm frustrated that people seem so resistant to getting a player up against a wall d1

to be clear in case to shorten our back and forth

im fine with u wanting pressure on me i guess but im very not okay with you wanting the claim.

[innocentvillager]

were you aware that NM is a compulsive hammerer? and how do you feel about it now, knowing that he is? i don't see any remorse from you for your actions despite other people having pointed out NM's tendencies

this all needs to be answered at some point whenever you have time

[innocentvillager]

ugh I’m sorry am I coming off as a grade A asshole this game? i don’t want to be the one that makes this game toxic. I’m sorry I just get a little fiery sometimes when I’m getting severe heat. As town it’s genuine as scum i try to emulate it like in recent micro 1026.

I don’t feel that I am being manipulative or gaslighty to me I’m just letting some of my emotions out but if that’s what it’s coming off as I’ll try to minimize it more.

and “Remorse” was probably too extreme of a word, I literally just meant that I think the E1 was very damaging to the gamestate but she was still adamantly defending her actions.

[innocentvillager]

yes i did forget about this game why would I lie about that it makes no sense there’s no agenda that I’m furthering by doing that

To repiece it together a bit, I think what happened was I got the day start PM, was still near the end of my other game finishing a last ditch wall so I was focused on that then “dipped” because I had a busy weekend with my partner. Ig this game was never really at the forefront of my mind and I just forgot about it idk

and yes I care more about it now having been thrown headfirst into the leading wagon and almost dying

[innocentvillager]

Yea it sounds like something I'd do

Someone pointed out you get a day start pm so it's weird to me he didn't post RVS seeing that pm

Dwlee how do u go from here to here so quickly?

[innocentvillager]

idk

datisi - i honestly have no idea on datisi nothing he's done makes me think town or scum. push on me was bad but i can see it from scum him too. sorry dayteezee i know u are good at getting ppl to townread you but not me yet. i feel like as i keep interacting with you ill get a better sense for your alignment

salsa - i get a T3/unabombah vibe from this slot very spammy and ico style catchup lol. granted una was scum in the game im thinking of but vibe here is very frazzled. idk i can't really put into words here yet but meh.

dwlee - i think some of their earlier posting was fine and reminiscent of our recent game but i wasn't exactly trying to read dwlee there so idk this reread dwlee didn't stand out like at all. idk

also I townread everyone in this section so uh lol?

can you explain why you townread these 3? does me not necessarily having a strong lean on these ppl make me scummy?

[innocentvillager]

lol

in general when ppl call stuff weird in this game without qualification I feel like they are shading/implying said action was scummy so just wanted to clarify ig

do you feel like people should have u as town rn?

[innocentvillager]

idk

datisi - i honestly have no idea on datisi nothing he's done makes me think town or scum. push on me was bad but i can see it from scum him too. sorry dayteezee i know u are good at getting ppl to townread you but not me yet. i feel like as i keep interacting with you ill get a better sense for your alignment

salsa - i get a T3/unabombah vibe from this slot very spammy and ico style catchup lol. granted una was scum in the game im thinking of but vibe here is very frazzled. idk i can't really put into words here yet but meh.

dwlee - i think some of their earlier posting was fine and reminiscent of our recent game but i wasn't exactly trying to read dwlee there so idk this reread dwlee didn't stand out like at all. idk

also I townread everyone in this section so uh lol?

can you explain why you townread these 3? does me not necessarily having a strong lean on these ppl make me scummy?

hi

[innocentvillager]

Margot is kind of close to a TR but I need more. I don't know how to describe it. I do think she's more likely town than not though.

Margot is kind of close to a TR but I need more. I don't know how to describe it. I do think she's more likely town than not though.

Actually I take that back. I don't know lol.

what happened between these two posts?

[innocentvillager]

Why datsi? I think they made some pretty good posts which I believe was coming from town atm.

what posts of datsi did you like? i don't think i saw anything super townie

It's not actually super townie yet but like

T3

said, 74 likely comes from town!

Gamma

as they made weird posts as town more than as scum.
Then in 78, I kind of get where they're coming from but only agree about you from that list atm.
191, 203 understandable from 78. Overall I'm getting the lay back/relax vibe from them which I think town indicative for them, as scum they appear to be more solvy from my experience with scum!them.

MINDMELD ON 74

T3 this is the only reason you TR Salsa?

[innocentvillager]

68 pinged me

Then Margot did something townie I forget

let me know if you remember

what do you think of her E1 on me and defense of it

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: t3

too many slots feel like mud right now, this game is tiring. i feel weird feelings about mew? like he's plenty active in the game but i cannot figure out what he's trying to do and whether he's trying to do anything in the first place. it's weird.

also, i am kind of disappointed nobody tried to interact with my discussion of kyouko's case. or to convince me she's town. oh well.

datisi i feel like we have some kind of opposing reads so id like to reconcile that a bit?

i think T3 is townish for reasons explained

mew at least seems like very open with his thoughts and is willing to explain everything i guess and not really playing in a lamist way so that slot seemed fine on gut? isn't it good that you can't really find an "agenda" from him so to speak?

if ur that disappointed on the kyo thing can u quote me and ill take a look?

[innocentvillager]

Also, his read on me is like, honestly the biggest towntell I can pinpoint, my play here is literally the antithesis of the game he’s comparing to where I was scum, so regardless of your read on me IV should be obvious town

can you explain this? why is iv town for noticing a difference in your play between the two games?

It’s the way he noticed it, I feel like there’s ways he could have spun it to not TR me for it, so unless he’s literally trying to pocket me specifically I think he’s just town

honestly i don't really get it either

what specifically do you think scum!me does differently if i have to bullshit a read on you?

[innocentvillager]

I'm not moving my vote off IV. That's by far and a way the strongest scum read I have right now, not because they didn't post until late, but because the character of those late posts scream Scum. The AtE is cream frosting at this point

can you elaborate more on why you think the “character of my late posts scream scum”?

also fine you regret putting me at E1 but why did you specifically ask for a claim from me that early with so little content tho?

[innocentvillager]

68 pinged me

Then Margot did something townie I forget

let me know if you remember

what do you think of her E1 on me and defense of it

Head empty

?

Margot is kind of close to a TR but I need more. I don't know how to describe it. I do think she's more likely town than not though.

Margot is kind of close to a TR but I need more. I don't know how to describe it. I do think she's more likely town than not though.

Actually I take that back. I don't know lol.

what happened between these two posts?

I realised I don't really TR Margot at all.

can you give me a little more than that lol

I know you are capable of explaining your thought process

[innocentvillager]

would you say something that banal and unfiltered as scum

[innocentvillager]

i just don’t really know how to read you

let’s put it this way are you the type of scum who is Hyper focused about how they appear and always want to look good and thoughtful or are you kind who is relaxed and unfiltered and doesn’t give a shit

[innocentvillager]

Ari it’s not about “how dare you vote me”

Datisi knows me well and I initially took issue with the push reasoning and margot’s E1 was really harmful the other wagon votes are like whatever I would do that too I don’t see why those votes are scummy necessarily

I also don’t like how you are reducing my posting to just that piece it makes me think you stopped trying to read me after that one string of posts (and given that you’re ignoring me)

can you answer my question now? it’s in my iso twice

[innocentvillager]

if you are relying on datisi’s experience here why am I still deep in your scumreads? I’m confused

[innocentvillager]

What’s the case for Margot again
I pretty much have had my entire perception of her vanish into thin air

basically the E1 and direct ask for claim at that point was rolefishy, opportunistic, unnecessary and therefore bad

i could totally see someone just outing their role and claiming there

also for how much she complained about pressure alleviating on me where the fuck is she to put more pressure on me?

not trying to be a hypocrite so this part comes with a grain of salt but it’s been 3 days since the flashwagon and she’s barely been here, does she really care about this

meh it’s mostly about the Claim I just want an answer to at this point. Less that I actually think she’s like lockscum

[innocentvillager]

nvm it’s been only been 2.5 days just ignore my last part I shouldn’t be a hypocrite that’s bad

[innocentvillager]

datisi what do you think of mew's latest posts? i kind of think they're open and genuine and super weird in a way that scum wouldn't be able to fabricate well. about him posting safe stuff with no agenda being gutpingy i think the last few pages he has really gotten out of that bubble so either he's being coached as scum or starting to get into the game as town?

reading 629 is on my to do list
further down if i ever get to it/becomes more urgent reading T3's MBOS

[innocentvillager]

this is just general @ari, margot, roden/whoever keeps coming at me for the "AtE" i did

i don't think my frustration spilling out is scum!indicative in any world, but that's just knowing the kind of player i am and none of you really know me

like I said (also @T3 who tried to meta me) im a player who does tend to get upset and fiery when run up for various reasons as town and i emulate it sometimes as scum. this one was especially bad because of the TIMEFRAME, that is something you are leaving out of your posts and is being abstracted away more and more as the event gets further from us. imagine being me, finally rolling green out of hiatus after an uphill scumgame, and immediately getting flashwagoned less than 24 hours into entrance based on some weak Datisi case that he kept pushing as a confident reason (the wording he used was "iv is likely scum because X, Y from meta, and I know how he plays"). fine, i agree now he didn't expect me to get flashwagoned like that that early but it was really confident for that early stage and he should've know how much sway he might've had given how much experience he has with me. i don't really scumread datisi anymore (still not sure if i townlean him) but that's just what i was thinking at the time

so im not sure why my emotions seemed so foreign or scum-motivated. like i could've just not gotten to play at all and gotten lolhammered by NM or scum. i also enjoy playing with ppl like datisi even if we get into dumb little shitfights sometimes lol. if i were to get rewagoned now based on genuine concerns on my latest posting, id be upset but don't think id shit up a storm or anything because at least i got a chance to play this game

again it seems ppl took issue with my "AtE" or whatever so im trying to do less of that now

also @T3 there are more games than the ones you meta'd where i blow up a bit so it's not really a sample size thing, it's just something i do as both alignments probably. i appreciate the meta effort tho

[innocentvillager]

What’s the case for Margot again
I pretty much have had my entire perception of her vanish into thin air

basically the E1 and direct ask for claim at that point was rolefishy, opportunistic, unnecessary and therefore bad

i could totally see someone just outing their role and claiming there

also for how much she complained about pressure alleviating on me where the fuck is she to put more pressure on me?

not trying to be a hypocrite so this part comes with a grain of salt but it’s been 3 days since the flashwagon and she’s barely been here, does she really care about this

meh it’s mostly about the Claim I just want an answer to at this point. Less that I actually think she’s like lockscum

I don't understand this.

You're saying she's scummy for putting you at E-1 and she's also scummy for not pressuring you?

yes it was super early in the game and a claim was not even remotely necessary at this point/i could've gotten lolhammered

like i said earlier general pressure would've been fine. i have no issue with people in general putting pressure on their scumreads, in fact not doing it is scummy. but this feels different, like if i were her and suspected me and wanted to put more pressure on me, i would said something along lines of "innocentvillager is at E-2, i would put him at E-1 but it's still early/might be lolhammerers so consider my vote spiritually on him" or something, then maybe grilled me on certain things. idk maybe it's just me but i do feel like specifically the E-1 has an obvious level1 scum motivation which makes it scum!indicative by itself

[innocentvillager]

It a sort of hitting-your-head-against-a-wall tone I feel like scum typically display when trying to sway an IC or pseudo-IC

tbh not trying to be mean but i find roden pretty annoying (just this game nothing personal) and i kind of vibed with Mew's sentiment myself so i don't see it as scummy. like i just don't really want to interact with him because he's just been dead set on voteparking me, claiming the only thing i do is AtE making it seem like im some super scum for that, taking potshots at me, calling me elim-bait etc. and ari just gets to sheep him because he's IC and i don't really feel like i can do anything about this situation. idk im in kind of a unique spot for him tho

[innocentvillager]

By the way I think ChaosOmega is town. Just wanted to squeeze that in there. Okay, bye.

how do you have a read on this slot?

[innocentvillager]

Ari it’s not about “how dare you vote me”

Datisi knows me well and I initially took issue with the push reasoning and margot’s E1 was really harmful the other wagon votes are like whatever I would do that too I don’t see why those votes are scummy necessarily

I also don’t like how you are reducing my posting to just that piece it makes me think you stopped trying to read me after that one string of posts (and given that you’re ignoring me)

can you answer my question now? it’s in my iso twice

If Datisi knows you well then why are you surprised that he thinks you disappearing at the start of the game is scum!indicative? Is his meta on you inaccurate?


I like how dwlee's posting has depth that feels closer to his town game than his scum game. I also don't think scum!him would approach my slot by voteparking me because I don't think scum!him really wants to push town!me since he's played with me before.

I like Datisi's aggression, I think there's a confidence in his town!game that he can't quite replicate exactly in his scum!game - I don't think he's very good at faking conviction when he rolls red and I'd be pleasantly surprised if he was actually scum here.

Salsa just feels very town to me, her stream of consciousness posting feels real - the one game I've seen of hers where she's scum she is a lot more performative and fake sounding - here I think she is pursuing real thoughts.

i feel like ive talked about the first point plenty of times across my posts so i don't really want to respond again ping me again on something more specific if you are still left wanting

this all just seems like meta? are you like super familiar with all these players or something? your join date doesn't really suggest that you would be, are you an alt?

if this is all meta, then im not sure why you took so much issue with me having them in my "idk" tier, that's a little weird to me tbh

the only person i really have experience with here is Datisi and I kind of agree with the aggression thing anecdotally but idk i just always have Datisi paranoia because i haven't played with him in a while either and i know he puts more volume and takes this game more seriously than i do. i need to experience scum!datisi first hand again before i feel like i have a good idea of where his scumrange ends

[innocentvillager]

I've read through again. Here's my stance.

I stand by my Mewtaph and IV scum reads. I asked for a claim because that is my understanding about what happens at e-1. I didn't specifically angle for IV to be killed n1, but if they were, that would have been fine with me, because I think they are scum, and given the setup is not revealed, the claim would likely not have meant anything anyway.

I still think T3 is likely not scum. I also Town Read the heck out of Datisi. I think the fact that Mewtaph and IV both voted for me is pretty scum indicative in my book, and I'm feeling more and more confident that I've solved two of the scum roles.

This is especially given the fact that all of IV's reasons for voting back at me are bizarre when you actually stop and think about it for five seconds. Like, asking for a claim is scum indicative? Trying to vote out someone you think is scum is scum indicative? What isn't scum indicative in your book IV? Anyone voting for anyone is scum. Is the only Townie in this game N_M?

hi hope you're okay Margot

honestly, kind of annoying that you don't think the claim matters much at all, because that's an easy answer for you to say as scum i guess when you were really just trying to rolefish as scum.

just in the future if you're town, i think you should give people more time to play the game because blah blah ive talked about it enough. if ur scum great job bc you almost rolefished me/got me killed and now have a plausible explanation/apparently no one other than me thinks ur scummy for this so ill probably have to reconsider a little on you ig.

[innocentvillager]

It a sort of hitting-your-head-against-a-wall tone I feel like scum typically display when trying to sway an IC or pseudo-IC

tbh not trying to be mean but i find roden pretty annoying (just this game nothing personal) and i kind of vibed with Mew's sentiment myself so i don't see it as scummy. like i just don't really want to interact with him because he's just been dead set on voteparking me, claiming the only thing i do is AtE making it seem like im some super scum for that, taking potshots at me, calling me elim-bait etc. and ari just gets to sheep him because he's IC and i don't really feel like i can do anything about this situation. idk im in kind of a unique spot for him tho

You literally haven't even attempted to talk to me yet. Saying I'm annoying for making my case on you is just wild if you aren't going to do anything to convince me I'm wrong. Especially when all you've done is complain about Datisi and Margot.

i mean you haven't attempted to talk to me either and everytime you mention me it feels like you're potshotting me hard

ever since you last voted me you kept your vote on me pretty consistently so it feels like you're set on voteparking me, idk why you think im misrepping you there? and you even called me elimbait that never ever makes it to elo so?

im not trying to be a dick sorry if ive coming off as one it's just how i felt

[innocentvillager]

His posts make a lot of sense. I think his progression on my slot (uptick) is extremely townie and I've basically interacted with him the most. There are other things but that should be more than enough for now.

I am, however, a bit biased here. If you TR me though, you can trust my read on him. I feel quite strongly about him being town.

idk i still think ur town but i don't know if i can trust u on chaos being town

i will reevaluate and elaborate at some point tho

[innocentvillager]

why do you two keep calling me manipulative

[innocentvillager]

like im really not

[innocentvillager]

am i coming off as manipulative? can someone explain this to me so i know what not to do? im actually kind of upset i keep getting called manipulative

[innocentvillager]

your entire game plan is to be a dick to the people voting for you

like it's not wtf i was just explaining myself?

[innocentvillager]

do I have to use the word “mental state” explicitly in order to have an emotional reason to not want to interact with you? I don’t, I found your potshots at me annoying and I didn’t want to respond exactly because we have discussion like this that are not making the game fun anymore for either of us

you are the IC and you obviously seem really set on me as scum I’m not sure why you keep trying to suggest otherwise

and it’s something I’ve obviously been feeling this whole time since I didn’t interact with you why are you pushing the narrative that I did it after?

[innocentvillager]

lol roden

If you just clicked on the post in the iso

You would see that the vc is directly above my post...

[innocentvillager]

idk it just feels you interpret all of my actions as uncharitably as possible and it’s like I don’t even know what to say back why should I want to argue with the IC. I’m sorry That I’m being irrational and I’ll try to engage you even if I feel you are being unfair

[innocentvillager]

and it’s something I’ve obviously been feeling this whole time since I didn’t interact with you why are you pushing the narrative that I did it after?

*the narrative that I only made it up after seeing mew say it?

[innocentvillager]

why do you two keep calling me manipulative

I believe the emotions you put into the thread are carefully curated to manipulate the people reading them and not geniune.

it’s just frustrating to be continually just blanketly called manipulative when it’s literally not what I’m doing

[innocentvillager]

I’m already tired of this

can we get back to the game or do we still need to spend time on this?

[innocentvillager]

And I do think you're mis-elim bait if you're town, what makes you disagree? If we go three days without eliminating scum and you end up in ELo, do you really think you're not getting voted out?

i have no idea why you think that and I have no idea why you think I should think that

[innocentvillager]

and so I came into the game and saw the vote count at the bottom so I knew I had 3 votes how is that fabricated? Took me 2 seconds to see it

Second part it’s basically only you and Aris who have been tunneling me both of it is annoying but you are th IC and and have more sway too. You’re acting like the whole game is set on Me being scum and I haven’t fought back at anyone and am just massively singling you out or something. Okay I think you are interpreting my actions uncharitably you obviously don’t ok great why would you do that on purpose?

and I don’t know why you keep harping on my reactions that they somehow have to be super consistent and exactly equally applied for everyone when the way you all have voted/pushed me/dynamics are very different

for mew I’m just saying I have clearly not been engaging you for a while so there is obviously a reason behind that. you think I just made up a fake reason to piggyback off mew? Like for example I can’t even respond to that other than just saying it’s a bullshit narrative you’re pushing on me just because you think I’m scum it’s just not what I was doing

[innocentvillager]

I have never been told my posts are manipulative ever this is first time 2 people are ganging up on me for it

you and aris are the only ones afaik dead set on me being scum and why would you expect that it has to last the whole game or why should I think that. I’m going to get more into this game over time too. you calling me chronic elim bait is just dumb and idek why this is relevant

[innocentvillager]

what a ridiculous conversation like what is the point of this??

[innocentvillager]

in a nicer way (sorry) how is this advancing the game state forward other than just making each other more agitated?

[innocentvillager]

are you not set on me being scum then? you’ve literally only been slamming me for the past like 10 pages it made me forget you weren’t voting me idk

[innocentvillager]

I'm so fucking confused. Why are you a playing a game where people have to argue and lie and confront each other if it upsets you so much?

idk because I like playing the game from a logic figure out the scumteam perspective not a shitfight with other people perspective

but maybe I shouldn’t play anymore if I don’t want to deal with this

[innocentvillager]

I’m not calling you an asshole nor do I want you to town lock me

[innocentvillager]

maybe I am just severely in the wrong here idk

[innocentvillager]

I was referring to my back and forth with roden

but I don’t feel like I got anything out of that interaction and I feel like roden just tunneling me more/didn’t get AI material or thinks he got scum indicative materia because I got tilted again

i don’t see how that was a productive back and forth

separately I also don’t like how you are literally just ganging up with the IC on me on everything it feels like it’s literally just you two presenting the same arguments and problems vs me

it kind of feels a little pockety to me tbh/like you’re validating him

but you’re also so aggressive like idk if it comes from scum you this blatantly.

[innocentvillager]

Ari it’s not about “how dare you vote me”

Datisi knows me well and I initially took issue with the push reasoning and margot’s E1 was really harmful the other wagon votes are like whatever I would do that too I don’t see why those votes are scummy necessarily

I also don’t like how you are reducing my posting to just that piece it makes me think you stopped trying to read me after that one string of posts (and given that you’re ignoring me)

can you answer my question now? it’s in my iso twice

If Datisi knows you well then why are you surprised that he thinks you disappearing at the start of the game is scum!indicative? Is his meta on you inaccurate?


I like how dwlee's posting has depth that feels closer to his town game than his scum game. I also don't think scum!him would approach my slot by voteparking me because I don't think scum!him really wants to push town!me since he's played with me before.

I like Datisi's aggression, I think there's a confidence in his town!game that he can't quite replicate exactly in his scum!game - I don't think he's very good at faking conviction when he rolls red and I'd be pleasantly surprised if he was actually scum here.

Salsa just feels very town to me, her stream of consciousness posting feels real - the one game I've seen of hers where she's scum she is a lot more performative and fake sounding - here I think she is pursuing real thoughts.

i feel like ive talked about the first point plenty of times across my posts so i don't really want to respond again ping me again on something more specific if you are still left wanting

this all just seems like meta? are you like super familiar with all these players or something? your join date doesn't really suggest that you would be, are you an alt?

if this is all meta, then im not sure why you took so much issue with me having them in my "idk" tier, that's a little weird to me tbh

the only person i really have experience with here is Datisi and I kind of agree with the aggression thing anecdotally but idk i just always have Datisi paranoia because i haven't played with him in a while either and i know he puts more volume and takes this game more seriously than i do. i need to experience scum!datisi first hand again before i feel like i have a good idea of where his scumrange ends

can you respond to this? also dwlee seemed confused on how you knew his meta so if you could address that as well that would be helpful

[innocentvillager]

Datisi metaing MBOS is next on my list

on first glance it looks superficially similar but obviously i need to look into it more, if ur getting similar vibes maybe my tl on T3 weakens

[innocentvillager]

Mew and iv are playing very weirdly/open wolfingly. One have reads but not disclosing and the other is getting frustrated + their reads aren’t making sense to me that much. Overall, not my cup of tea! I've to sheep others for sorting them ig.

what reads are not making sense for you?

[innocentvillager]

you know you can engage me and mew too why are you sheeping others to sort us?

[innocentvillager]

OMG DWLEE im so sorry i suck

Datisi I’m not good at it but I use it as a tool to understand what is within someone scumrange usually and if I am townreading/scumreading them for playstyle thing. i don’t do it well idk but that’s in theory what I find it useful for. Also T3 is gaining popularity as a wagon so I’m prioritizing looking at that slot if my townlean is right or wrong

[innocentvillager]

Datisi this is honestly just for my sanity can you give quick thoughts on me/roden/aris interactions I don’t know if I’m in the wrong here and idk if I should be worried aris is ganging up on me with roden or not

[innocentvillager]

ok thanks for validating me daddisi

[innocentvillager]

i don’t think anyone has crossed a line this game regardless of anyone’s alignment or that anything is necessarily anyone’s fault

Id like to just move on if possible

I’ll get to this tmr busy today

[innocentvillager]

sorry I don’t really have time for this atm busy day ahead maybe tn maybe not

Didn’t look into MBOS more idk I believe Datisi ig That it at least mildly resembles that game so my TL there weakened a little

probs slightly town with the VT claim this claim to deadline too and no one really wants to save him except Margot? but p bad defense of a scumpartner so idk if they’re aligned

not reallly sure where to go would still rather kill Margot but T3 has been meh

[innocentvillager]

why T3 so adamant town Margot?

[innocentvillager]

@chaos I typoed I meant I could see town Datisi doing that too not scum Datisi

i backed a little off Datisi because I realized he wasn’t really the reason for the flashwagon so my initial emotional SR there lessened

[innocentvillager]

my park on Margot is lazy because I don’t really know who else to go to and she hasn’t really been here (sorry Margot hope RL stuff gets better)

ill compromise on T3 if it’s between me and him

also I explained why I think Nm is town it seems unlikely that he cares enough as scum to do that. Scum can’t be millers so it’d have to been a really weird random fakeclaim which ig is possible but just not something I’d expect

[innocentvillager]

townleans from strongest to weakest

NM
Mew
Chaos, Datsi
T3

everyone else is like in my whatever pool
T3 Margot unaligned

[innocentvillager]

I'm back properly, and I have the energy and the the passion to actually spell out all the reasons IV is scum.

IV drops in 336, clearly has only caught up enough to have worked out they had three votes and that's it. They park a vote on Datsi (338), well outside of RVS, but four hours later they indicate they don't have a reads list 395.

I would be interested for someone to do a meta dive on all their posts prior to 570. The ones with anything even approaching substance are all but non-existent, and I have serious doubts about the ones that claim to have substance.

Before we get into 570, I would also like to make a brief detour to point out that my read on IV in 526 is basically the same read that Datisi gives in 553. If you don't like my vote, don't like theirs either. Which you won't do, obviously, because Datisi is basically town lock for everyone at this point.

So then 570.

i'm a bit busy for the next 4-5 hours so i'll properly read and respond to all the posts then (i've skimmed a bit), but i wanted to out a hot take in the meantime:

iv is likely scum. the fact that he hasn't returned from his catching up yet from yesterday (and that catchup was like 5 pages with non-explained reads? lol) is indicative that he doesn't want to be in this game. and as much as it pains me to say, if iv is red, aristeia is somewhat likely to be a partner. mainly because her reads seem to be kind of consensus-y/yeetbaity players, but there's absolutely no mention of iv anywhere, who i think would fit that description rn. her last game with me made me think she's anti bus, so i could see her be trying to divert attention from iv here.

okay this is the basis for my push?

Datisi idk wtf ur doing here I hope you don’t actually believe this

I have been playing this game for less than 24 hours phoneposting and I am like 20+ pages behind or whatever

Granted the late start was my fault but I don’t see how You could think I’m just scum here

My catch was done in the middle of the workday which I don’t really have a real break I’m taking time out to play this

If you MUST know what I was doing last night I am with my partner celebrating a holiday and I don’t really want to be playing mafiascum during that

Was I seriously about to die because I hadn’t posted for like 16 hours?? Hello what the fuck Datisi? And how did people agree with that?

I swear dogshit like this makes me want to go back into hiatus I don’t have like 2 hours every day to devote to this and I shouldn’t have to explain myself every time I go away for a very reasonable amount of time

Datisi you are scum here trying to push a fast one on me while I am still in catchup more or town doing idk what maybe trying to tilt me into this. like I’d like to think Town gou isn’t this bad how can you possibly show so much confidence in this read just based on that. I hope you have a great explanation for this or I am vote parking you the rest of the game

actually one of the most ridiculous flashwagons I have seen in my life

Margot is also scum here or needs to go back to Newbie queue for intentionally putting me at E1 this early on AND asking for a claim especially with NM in the game but maybe not even

I will put a little bit of time into this tonight but if I’m going to get killed because im not poring over this for hours a day like cmon that’s just ridiculous

So first off, it isn't actually true that it had been less than 24 hours. This post was made

just over

24 hours after the last one. I felt like my autism was probably showing a bit too much to hold onto this as a tell, but I really didn't like it at the time. Less than 24 hours works better for AtE purposes than "24 hours ago" imo, so it was a slight scum tell. Especially when the gap between the posts previous and the posts made in this block was just over 18 hours, and in the post he says it had been 16. Like, minor inconsistencies, but it just got into my head a bit that there were enough little lies that had just enough of an emotional justification to be indicative of something.

Aside from anything else, though, this is a wild post to come from someone who has refused to give reads given the string of posts from 395 to 416, in which he spends over 20 minutes posting on this forum, responding to other people's play and giving slight reads one way or the other. This part here, "Datisi you are scum here trying to push a fast one on me while I am still in catchup more or town doing idk what maybe trying to tilt me into this." is particularly telling, imo. The only adequate response to Datisi would be reads. Instead, they get mad about Datisi expecting any reads in the first place.

Why? Because they have no reads. Because they know who scum is, and because if you are Town and have 20 minutes to read through a game, your priority is finding scum, and if you are Scum and have 20 minutes to read through a game, your priority is making sure everyone thinks you are Town.

That's why there are so many posts in that 20 minute window.

That's why the posts are full of inane nonsense.

That's why 24 hours after entering the game properly, IV still had no real reads, and had instead spent what little time he had on the forums to try and endear himself to other players rather than read people's alignment.

IV is scum. I throw the book straight at his face and say good day.

VOTE: IV

I don’t understand your case or why people like it

first part looks like a literal summary of my play okay it’s just an entrance you said nothing AI about it

the time thing wasn’t based on my post, it’s based on datisi’s post and the posts after that, so it WAS less than 24 hours after my entrance that I came in

I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to understand that I forgot about this game and I literally JUST started playing so at that point I just gave initial impressions for like 20 min?

Then the rest of the “case” just looks like narrative “oh lol iv is defending himself and doesn’t give reads”

of course I am defending myself I just got flashwagoned ?

whatever honestly I don’t really care about this game rn VOTE: innocentvillager goodbye

[innocentvillager]

i am vanilla townie btw so just hammer away whatever.

[innocentvillager]

i knew datisi solved the game at some point

i just got burned recently for assuming scum wouldn't do x or post y because it's really bad or is so shallow or there's no clear agenda behind it. i think we have to be careful in making these gamestate reads super confident, sometimes there isn't nearly as much of an agenda as we think. uneviable position for you tho. gg

[innocentvillager]

this game lasted freaking forever also i can't believe i was in this game. Like the crazy bussing that Datisi thought was present among the scumteam wasn't as orchestrated as he thought, Margot just kinda bussed me and we went with it. Margot was so deepwolfed at one point that her bussing salsa later made some sense as well as i understand it

[innocentvillager]

regardless really proud of both of my scummates they both carried hard and even despite margot scumslipping salsa still carried us home lmao so thanks guys

[innocentvillager]

no redactions on scum PT

[innocentvillager]

regardless really proud of both of my scummates they both carried hard and even despite margot scumslipping salsa still carried us home lmao so thanks guys

After

MR

's elimination, I thought to be replaced out, didn’t sure I can do this. But then thought let's try it and magic happens

thanks for sticking it through you did well, i don't think i could've done the same. especially against a strong replacement like koba

[innocentvillager]

i know I wasn’t in this ELO and I’m biased because I’m salsa’s deadweight scum partner

but I think saying you murdered salsa in ELO when Datisi ultimately voted you kind of defeats the definition of murdered

It’s one thing to say a bunch of things and for salsa to not rebut every single point well (which I think is what happened) but another to actual convince the judge who may have had some preconceptions against you going in

Obviously you did very well and given more time you may have won but Datisi is a good player and the fact is at the end of the day your arguments were not convincing enough to sway him out of his pet theory

[innocentvillager]

I think salsa played great. even if a couple people saw her as scum most of the game saw her as uninformed and that’s not an easy thing to do, and that’s all you need is to convince a certain subset of people anyway not everyone. she doesn’t have to put on a masterclass deepwolf session fooling everyone to have played well

[innocentvillager]

also Datisi hope you are okay from rl stuffz

[innocentvillager]

most of the “salsa obvscum” sentiment came AFTER people knew her alignment hindsight bias does a lot. It seemed to me like you were the only person who had real stated conviction in main thread after having the balls to vote her immediately so good for you on that

[innocentvillager]

Datisi, chaos and aris both vote wrong in ELO probably (idk if they do after Koba rep in or not but they were clearly in the wrong direction) and those are the only known people who stated their opinion in a non hindsight biased way in a similar situation. it’s unfortunate you’ve had so many tough lylos as town but this one was tough i don’t think you should be too hard on yourself