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like look at this meg iso:

viewtopic.php?t=89250&f=83&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go


25 posts before I started wagonning there.

Most of them are just comments about nothing.

They literally didn't do anything with their vote the entire fucking day.

They voteplanted on SS for "pressure"

when SS did nothing

they came abd posted a readlist where they dont blame SS for doing nothing

SO WHAT WAS EVEN THE POINT OF PUTTING A VOTE ON SS IN THE FIRST PLACE

thats why I pushed Meg - because Meg literally did nothing and that's perfectly fine for scum to do because scum dont need to do anything if they are not suspected.

Was I wrong? Yea I was wrong. But the fact remains Meg!town put their vote on SS for most of the day and then randomly showed up at the end, posted a shitty readlist with barely any conclusions and then decided to vote for me because "i want to sheep the conftown" like how the fuck am i supposed to look at that and not think "wow that looks like a scumfuck"

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and trust me

I am perfectly fine playing like meg if I am scum

post a random ass readlist off random.org.

mason dude likes it

and then I sit there twiddling my thumbs doing nothing and pop up at the end and go ooooh lets sheep the conftown

like come the fuck on

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I’m still sleepy so i read this as: "Pooky’s an adorable scum plsyer" and i was like, awww. That’s totally true!

Idk I watched him give Cakez PTSD in slow motion in pokemon large theme. He's adorable until he isn't.

True but I spent like the first 9 days of the game just lol-catting and doing nothing because I'm very good at staying alive while doing nothing.

I don't actually pull my claws out until it's absolutely necessary and I have no issues with

doing nothing

if that's what everyone else is doing.

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Day 1 Count X

Ircher

(E-3) - NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

the worst

(E-3) - Wallflower, Toogeloo

NorwegianboyEE

(E-4) - Ircher

Someting_Smart

(E-4) - MegAzumarill

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(E-4) - the worst

Wallflower

(E-4) - Tracer Bullet

Not Voting

- Something_Smart

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 9 remaining, it takes 5 to form a majority.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2022-04-14 19:26:23).

btw this is the game state when I started doing stuff ^

You see this vote count?

the highest votes on a player is (2) and it's 2 votes each for each mason and a bunch of scattered 1 votes.

there is literally 0 threat to anyone who could possibly be scum.

I have no reason to do anything as scum in this game state because like I don't give a fuck what happens when no scum are under anything resembling a threat.

I can just let the clock run out and I usually do because why stick your neck out and try to push the game state foward when nothing is happening and no scum are under threat?

I decide to vote/push Ircher who is townreading me

this literally makes 0 sense for scum!me to do.


Here this is from angela(shiki) in a different game with me describing how to read me and my ethos as scum:

viewtopic.php?p=13304997#p13304997


It is extremely accurate about how I approach mafia

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I do not care if I get limmed it is a reflection on the poor play of the town that limmed me.

I do care if I get limmed without putting in the effort to defend myself because I will not have fulfilled my basic responsibility to this town to try not to get limmed.

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I think Tracer is putting a lot more effort into defending themselves and proving their innocece than actually trying to solve the game, which is very much at odds with the repeated "I don't care if i'm limmed" mantra.

Today opened with a conftown player calling for me to die.

My primary priority for today is to convince this conftown player not to push for me to be eliminated

this is because I am town and avoiding town eliminations is part of what being town is about.

Ircher does not have the time to talk and sort me in real time.

I have been available for a lot of time to talk to him.

Instead he takes like 1 day + to reply to me and I reply to him almost immediately.

That is a reflection of the time he is willing to spend on this game.

That's fine. in the end of the day he has to live with himself not me.

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I think perhaps it is just not a good fit for me to play with people who don't post and aren't online to talk very much.

I just have much more time than most of you to actually be here.

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I would be happy to be eliminated.

It would be one less thing for me to be obligated to do.

but until I am eliminated I am going to fulfill my obligations.

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Notice for example very few people actually talk to me about things that matter.

like what do you think of player ___

what is your read of player ___

like even if you in your mind have locked me as scum, does it not behoove you to ask me questions in order to figure out who my partner is?

no

there is no interest in it.

You are all extremely lazy

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I am being unpleasant.

I should be nice and nod and just let you kill me.

It would be the nicer thing to do.

I hate obligations.

They are like an anchor.

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I sincerely mean it when I say I will be very happy if you just hammer me here so I do not have to keep playing.

I detest the laziness of this town.

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I just want to say again that none of what I say should be viewed as an insult to your character or person.

There is more than one way to play this game. I simply do not like the way it is being done here. That is my own personal opinion.

You are all lovely people and I have enjoyed talking with each and every one of you.

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Going back to this, I’m interested in why you want to kill Tracer or Toog today.

Oh. Because the vote movement near the end of day 1 seems pretty critical and it's impossible to make sense of without knowing the alignment of either of them.

this is an interesting take from SS because when I asked him yesterday who he wanted to vote for between Tracer/Tooge he said niether and he wanted to wagon on Meg or ___ instead.

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Hmm i want to rebel against the game again cus i feel like this hits town.
But if Tracer is scum i’m gonna feel like a dick for white knighting them two days in a row.
This just sucks.
Plz nobody hammer i need to like… actually hard analyze Pooky but i need dinner first.

also I just wanted to say something about this post.

I'm not sure what common parlance is but in my experience "White Knight" refers to a mafia player defending a town player for towncred.

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Notice for example very few people actually talk to me about things that matter.

like what do you think of player ___

what is your read of player ___

like even if you in your mind have locked me as scum, does it not behoove you to ask me questions in order to figure out who my partner is?

no

there is no interest in it.

I am still here to talk about reads if anyone actually wants to like try to play the game.

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I didn't like the way gamma rep'd out to pressure.

when I play vs town!gamma he usually expresses some form of paranoia of my scum!game - he didn't this time.

he also feels more "buddy-ish" towards me which is a scum!indicator for him.

Toogeloo hasn't really had any takes.

He doesn't feel like he actually scumreads me or is committed to this game.

For example the last time he scumread me was in this completed game: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=88618


he is town and I am mafia - his takes are far more active in pushing me.


furthermore he was more or less afk at dayend yesterday - which implies he didn't really care about the outcome of the day or want to move his vote around - which is scum indicative.

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And like, i can kinda see where it’s coming from because it’s really easy to just do self-pity and complain at the useless town when being scumread by almost everyone, but when that’s the only thing you do it’s also kinda self-defeating cus you just look like AtE’ing without doing any actual scum hunting either, while decrying others for supposedly not scum hunting. (But if the town players think they are voting scum, then that is kinda what they doing)

except

1] I can't do any scum hunting since everyone scumreads me and i'm probly getting limmed so you can just ignore me.


2] I've offered to explain reads, talk reads with anyone who wants to talk to me about reads. So like if you're town, you should take this oppurtunity to do this with me.

Because either:

(1) I'm town and I'll be IC soon after you elim me.

or

(2) I'm mafia and you want to find my partner and you don't want me to anti-spew so you might as well get info out of me.



But nobody really even wants to do that. So I think it's pretty fair for me to complain about the town being fundamentally incredibly lazy to not even take this step - which btw presupposes I will be eliminated today.

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it's hard for me to tell with no interaction cuz like nobody feels like talking to me except you.

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i think if tooge is scum then SS has the most partner equity

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Wall's tough - It's hard to tell with her, I dunno

I think RCE feels kind of townie but even that read is kind of a stretch one atp

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If I get limmed here, I think town loses in LimLo.

UNVOTE:

mb we r just getting punked i dunno

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ill self hammer after ircher writes final thoughts do

want to give him a last chance to redeem himself then im out of this shit show

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no i dont but ive had enough of this shit

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also if you r going to do something i suggest acting with some form of urgency instead of waiting until the last possible moment and then giving me shit for it.

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nobody is stopping you from doing something if you actually want to

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id rather give you all a chance to try to solve tomm rather whatever this bullshit death tunnel is

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I'm not really willing to bet the entire game that Toogeloo flips mafia here.

I think there's a decent chance town are death tunneling me for shit reasons so this game is never going to be winnable as long as I'm alive.

and I'd rather die here than be a walking mislim at elo

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also if you r going to do something i suggest acting with some form of urgency instead of waiting until the last possible moment and then giving me shit for it.

I asked Ircher a question, I'm waiting for his response.

I don't understand how the question you asked ircher gets you closer to figuring out who the bad people are.

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I'm not really willing to bet the entire game that Toogeloo flips mafia here.

I think there's a decent chance town are death tunneling me for shit reasons so this game is never going to be winnable as long as I'm alive.

and I'd rather die here than be a walking mislim at elo

I think you're just justifying your own exit from the game rather than seriously arguing self-hammering as town will be in favour of towns wincon.

if wallflower is town then if we mislim today she will vote me and we will lose

this is just a fact

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I’ve thought this over and although i’m neither confident on Toog or Tracer, i’m leaning voting Toog for the simple fact that i think town!Tracer is more valuable to keep in the game than an eventual town!Toogelo. So if worst case scenario and Toog does flip town i’d take that over flipping town!Tracer.
This also presents an interesting dilemma for players currently not voting. It’ll be 3v3 wagons.
VOTE: Toogeloo

I hated this post because town!me is not going to be very useful tomm if someone town votes me so i dunt even understand this

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Why?

Picking a side forces you to make a commitment and that commitment in turn associates you with others. That's valuable information down the road even if it may not be in the immediate future.

Also
UNVOTE:
No self-hammering please, especially not before Smart commits to a decision here.

I think if Tracer was scum he would have just hammered himself instantly if he really meant it. The options are that either he is just town or he is scum that is AtEing hard to stay alive.
I'm leaning towards the first option being more likely.

um what

scum me would never actually self hammer

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do you think all the people voting for me now are mafia?

cuz if tooge flips town then they will just vote for me again tomm and game is over

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like theres no move town!me is going to do tomm to win if tooge is town and scum are split or defending me

cuz we will just lose

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like your mindset feels like "if this is tvt then we should kill tooge cuz town tracer is better"

like thats just mindboggling to me

if this is tvt we shouldnt kill either of us

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I think if Tooge is town then the 2 scum are between SS/RCE/Norwee

I don't see why Wallflower would push me this hard if this is a TvT conflict

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i want to talk to tooge so @ me if you are online toogeloo

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If i was scum i would have just voted you earlier.

i dunno maybe you are enjoying fucking with me

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I'm paranoid as fuck - I don't even get why you townread me this much

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I don't see why Wallflower would push me this hard if this is a TvT conflict

I don't get this btw.

if me/tooge r tvt, mafia dont have a reason to be invested in which of us dies

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do you think all the people voting for me now are mafia?

cuz if tooge flips town then they will just vote for me again tomm and game is over

I don't see this as the case considering: 1) I'm not going to be alive tomorrow and 2) I forced the dichotomy in the first place.

you really think if toogeloo flips town and you get shot that nobody is going to vote for me tommorrow?

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Seriously Tracer, is all u gonna do at end of today cry about the possibility of being mislimmed tommorow if we lim town.
That's... dumb.

I am not crying

I am assessing the risk profile and making a rational play to increase our EV

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No, I don't think it's the foregone conclusion you are making it out to be. There will be plenty of time for discussion and reconsideration.

I dunno it feels like I'm the only person you want to kill today so I don't think it's a foregone conclusion if we hit someone who is not me and is town today that I would remain a easy mislim esp if scum can just quickhammer me after one townie votes me.

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Seriously Tracer, is all u gonna do at end of today cry about the possibility of being mislimmed tommorow if we lim town.
That's... dumb.

I am not crying

I am assessing the risk profile and making a rational play to increase our EV

I was assuming you were being emotional and thus decreasing your own logical capability.
The fact that you apparently thought about it logically is weird to me.

I don't get emotional about games that I don't feel connected to.

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They absolutely do. It doesn't do me any favors but in a tvt scenario it's probably more lucrative to elim toog. The noise you are generating would be enough for me to keep you around if I was scum.

that's why Wallflower is more likely to be town

If she's scum and me/tooge r T/T she is better off elimming Tooge not me

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sorry I can't just take your word for it because I have a basic level of respect for your competence as mafia

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There isn't that much difference between SK and Mafia in a micro

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So where u at right now? I thought we were on the same page with our reads but i guess you just started scumreading me for… defending you? Really?
Like i’m trying to understand your mindset. So you think i am scum and decided to not vote you but instead Toog because i wanted to pocket you for later and my townread on you is fake because you don’t trust town!me to have good gut reads. Is that it?

If Toogeloo is town then me vs Toogeloo is TvT.

In that case.

If Wallflower is town.

The best elim for mafia is Toogeloo.

because Wallflower is absolutely convinced I am mafia.

You lim tooges today,

Tommorrow Wallflower votes me - game over.


I guess I'm more scumreading you for directly buying into Ircher's Dichotomy - when you really should have absolutely 0 respect for Ircher's townplay or worldview because its utter garbage

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Ircher is conftown

but Ircher is not really playign this game.

Ircher has not put in even 10% of the effort I have put into this game.

This is not disrespect to ircher

people have different prioities in life.

Its probably BETTER for people to be less tryhard like me and more lackadaisical like Ircher.

But none of that explains why you are fine with the entire town just following along with Ircher's dichotomy which frankly is game losing if Toogeloo is actually town here.

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I am angry about a lot of things and it makes me unbearable to play with sometimes if you do not have my level of intensity so I do understand why people want to kill me here.

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I think once they arr flipped things will become a lot clearer.

I'm a bit curious. How do you think things will be clearer after a Tracer flip?

she probly thinks i flip mafia and life is all rainbows and shit

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I don't even get this game currently because today both Tracer and I were at E-1 for hours with everyone posting.

This is what makes me doubt S_S being scum. He could have just hammered someone and it wouldn't have been problematic for them?

except SS as scum being unable to hammer is literally what happens to him

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for example in this large dance game:

viewtopic.php?p=13195947#p13195947


This votecount is at 8P

a T/T pair is at E-1

SS/Ydrasse, both scum players are off wagon and SS decides not to hammer and tells Ydrasse also not to hammer.[4/6 town votes are on this wagon, the only people that are town not voting this wagon are the wagon targets, so it wasn't even like he could've gotten other people to vote it]

If he hammers this kills 2 town players and brings them to F6 (Elo)

Instead the wagon turns away and he loses.

Another example is

viewtopic.php?p=12358352#p12358352

this is a game I replaced into and I am on a team with SS.

We could've hammered Mena here and gone to Elo with a decent setup

Instead SS doesn't want Mena hammered because he thinks it would look bad and he doesn't think there is a risk since the lead wagons are T/T

fast forward like 10 hours and Mena/Peta make up and kiss and suddenly SS is at 4 and we're about to get completely blown out.



SS is very allergic to hammering town when he is mafia. He overvalues being townread against intermediate objectives like "killing people"

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on the other hand I don't really believe being townread is important at all when I play mafia - my focus is always on killing the next target whoever that may be.

I rarely if ever get townread as either alignment.

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I'm not really willing to bet the entire game that Toogeloo flips mafia here.

I think there's a decent chance town are death tunneling me for shit reasons so this game is never going to be winnable as long as I'm alive.

and I'd rather die here than be a walking mislim at elo

I think you're just justifying your own exit from the game rather than seriously arguing self-hammering as town will be in favour of towns wincon.

if wallflower is town then if we mislim today she will vote me and we will lose

this is just a fact

I don't think this is representative of how I have played so far. On Day 1, Toogeloo was my preferred vote option over you, but Day 2 after reconsideration I have decided that Toogeloo is more likely town. It is true that I strongly think you are scum and I think that a lot of this is you pulling out everything you can to stay alive as scum, but I'll always take new information into account and re-evaluate.

If we vote out toogeloo and toogeloo flips as town

are you going to vote for me tommorrow?

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if the answer to that question is yes then it is absolutely representative of how you will play

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if me/tooge r tvt, mafia dont have a reason to be invested in which of us dies

Unless they're someone who's afraid of you. Which is probably everyone here?

it is illogical to be afraid of me if I am widely scumread by townies and the conftown directing the game into a dichotomy because my viable angles of play are extremely limited.

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I am fine with being flipped if that's what you truly want but you're going to have to carry tomorrow for both of us.

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might just be Norwegian Boy / Something Smart

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like if Toogeloo is mafia and we're at 3-3

then the most reasonable partner is Wallflower because Ircher, Tooge, WF on me would make 3 votes and there's no partner hammering.

I think if Tooges has a partner outside of WF the partner would hammer because why not when you have a stake in the 1v1.[Unless it's SS because that dude is terrified of getting his hands dirty as mafia I've never seen anyone so hammer shy in my life]

So if Tooge-Scum then partner in SS/WF???

I think maybe Tooge town cuz Tooges just doesn't seem that invested [yes I know I said this was a scum tell earlier but the more I think about it, maybe Tooge does want revenge on me and their disinterest has more to do with just not giving a shit about the game which is something they alluded to earlier]

So in the Tooge-Town world then we have a T/T wagon btw me/tooge and where would scum position in such a scenario -

I think probably the best elimination for scum is Toogeloo because I have a lot of baggage and both conftowns wanted me dead, that will be alot of pressure to flip me - also if WFlower is town, I'd say she votes me with over 95% pvalue tomm which is a wrapped scum win.

I think WFlower is probably town in this scenario because I don't think she needs to really throw her weight into scumreading me when the dichotomy forced by Ircher is already a TvT - her angles of play tomm post Tracer town flip are not

great

Would leave RCE - Norwe - SS.


Norwe has been defending me for two days now and I'm not actually sure Town!Him defends me this hard because I have absolutely rekt him as scum in multiple games and I'm not sure he can reliably townread me to the point of hard defending me.

I feel like he's using me as a sort of shield - like as long as town votes are stuck on me [Ircher, Duckie, Wallflower] those votes aren't going to be going

elsewhere

you keep a shield alive because it attracts attention and keeps people from voting you or your partner - if your shield ever gets yeeted, you look

good

for having hard defended Tracer!town and you gain thread clout/control.

Also I don't understand his town motivation to buy into Ircher's Dichotomy - yes Ircher is conftown but Ircher's townplay is like not very good and he's barely paying attention to the game - two things Norwe is not only aware of, but Norwe actually pushed Ircher for this game. So why does Norwe even decide to play along with Ircher's dichotomy in the first place? If Norwe sees himself as the loudest town voice in the room he should be re-shaping the game towards a town win con instead of just playing along with Ircher.

Scum!Norwe has a lot of incentive to actually let Ircher's Dichotomy stand if Tooge/Tracer are both town - which is one of the points I absolutely HATED about 899

It just reeks of scum saying oooh I'd rather kill this townie rather than that townie because INSERT REASONS here which is not a town mindset at all.


I dunno it's hard to tell between RCE/SS which one is scummier. I have a bad track record of reading SS correctly. I guess I just think it would be hilarious if this is the third time SS had a chance to hammer and send his scum team to a favorable Elo and he decided to freeze up and not hammer and the game got away from him and he ended up losing.

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I'm assuming that with the worst killed, mafia no longer have daytalk, so even with S_S being hammer-averse, why doesn't Norwe hammer you. A you-town flip and Ircher kill leads to me being elim'd probably.

if Tooge/Me are both Town, then Norwe doesn't actually feel any pressure to hammer or readflip on me. It would look extremely strange.

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pondering if maybe we make a deal

I get yeeted today - you all deadsheep me on the Norwe/SS solution and kill them one after the other no questions asked.

if I'm wrong then you can blame me for being trash tier player post game.

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I'm assuming that with the worst killed, mafia no longer have daytalk, so even with S_S being hammer-averse, why doesn't Norwe hammer you. A you-town flip and Ircher kill leads to me being elim'd probably.

is this a legit dumbtell btw?

cuz mason encryptor shouldn't disable mafia daytalk

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my point about the dumbtell is

that you can't be mafia if you think a town encryptor getting killed actually disables mafia daytalk because that's literally not how an encryptor works and if you're mafia you would know that.

so if mafia you would've known that mafia daytalk was unaffected by encryptor death and faked the tell that you "don't know"

I'm kind of leaning towards this being a real dumbtell which means you're just town here.

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lol norwee readflipping on me as soon as I express paranoia of him

epic

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I'm fine with dying today as long as you all yeet Norwee tomm

Not sure about partner between RCE and SS

Leaning towards SS but

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Like this just some opportunist shit here, i'm going out of my way to see good intentions from you, and you twisting my words in an very evil way that is making me PUKE.

this is fake.

there's no oppurtunism in my readflip on norwee.

I don't have much chance of pushing him out today.

my offer is for ME to die first to show everyone I am town and him to follow me tomm.

It is by definition not oppurtunism. - oppurtunism would be defined by other people considering a nor-scum world - which nobody is.

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it actually makes absolutely 0 sense for Scum!Me to want to yeet Town!norwee who has been hard defending me for 2 days now

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Tracer I think this play from Norwe makes your suggested Norwe-scum/Tracer-town world a lot less likely

actually the opposite.

if Nor-Town was actually townreading me he would know that this line of paranoia makes me more likely to be town.

Instead he sees me jumping out of his pocket and he's trying to kill me to shut me up asap

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this is fake.

But don't you see? He literally PUKED. How could that be fake?

Scum!him would puke too if he had an easy win and choked

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it actually makes absolutely 0 sense for Scum!Me to want to yeet Town!norwee who has been hard defending me for 2 days now

if I am scum and I have pocketed norwee!town so hard he is defending me two days in a row, why would I suddenly readflip on him? It makes very little sense for my survival.

He should know this.

ESPECIALLY when my readflip is conditioned on me getting myself yeeted today FIRST and asking town to deadsheep my hero solve - it doesn't make much sense to do this if I'm not flipping town today

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If Pooky is scum here I'll be impressed. Not that that would be the first time that happens, but he doesn't really seem to be playing with a long-term plan which is a hallmark of his scum game.

I do not play with long term plan as scum I prioritize intermediate goals. Long term plans rarely ever work out and you can't predict game states in advance due to replacements, attrition, and memory.

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Cus i don't buy you actually scumread me for "paranoia" here.
VOTE: Tracer

like this is such a shit take.

I am offering to FLIP MY OWN ROLE FIRST

and asking town to deadsheep me AFTER I AM DEAD

and this dude is saying he doesnt believe I'm paranoid like rofl what

I WILL DIE BEFORE YOU IN MY PLAN

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its hard to pick between RCE and SS.

Might actually be closer than I thought.

RCE needs to come in here and town it up

I am very convinced of Nor-scum because his vote on me makes absolutely no sense as a response.

Still happy to self-hammer if we are done discussing today.

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Like this just some opportunist shit here

I just want to reiterate yet again how much this is complete horseshit.

"Oppurtunism implies that THERE IS AN OPPURTUNITY TO BEGIN WITH"


I do not know of a single player in this game who is willing to vote for NorweBoy.

So this accusation that scum!me is paranoia readflipping on Norwee for OPPURTUNISM.

Is complete and utter horseshit because what oppurtunism!?!?! who is even thinking Norwee is scum OTHER than me?

Like I'm literally the only person even considering the possibility of norwee being scum lol. This is literally the worst place in the world for scum!me to be pushing.

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You thought it would just be obviously me as the partner?

it would be funny if it was you who couldn't lay down the hammer yet again.

I'm not like 100% satsified with that solution.

I always have trouble reading you because you're so restrained as either alignment.

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Pretty sure if i point to previous scum games i've had you'll see that i as scum prefer to just kill anyone that's E-1. Like my play isn't as big brain as you are suggesting. Where i'm like "Ah yes, i'll pull the extremely risky move of trying to pocket "Player that i view as a threat to me, whom i know is capable of turning their reads around for miniscule reasons and is thus therefore a much better player to just kill if given the opportunity" so i can in the next day... idk, keep them around for no reason? Instead of propagating a gamestate with much simpler players to have around that i can much more easily manipulate?
Like ur view of my play is completely incompitable with how i actually play. Which i'm wondering is because you genuinely view it this way or you are just making shit up to see if people buy into it and start to scumread me for playing into an "scum meta" that is wrong.

this is cool self meta.

he then pivots and starts trying to murder me roughly 5 minutes later.

LOL

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like I wasn't actually a threat to norwe as long as I kept townreading him for effort but as soon as I stopped being cooperative with him suddenly I'm scumbag and need to die

roflrofl

nice transition bro

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it's not to impress you lol

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I already said I'm fine flipping today I don't actually care about yeeting you instead of me

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It would be funny, yes, but unfortunately my lack of hammer is entirely NAI.

I think Norwee/WF is more plausible than you're giving it credit for. WF is either a very inexperienced player or a well-kept alt, and either one leaves open the possibility of them doing a weird tunnel as scum even if it's not strictly necessary. Especially if they are an alt, as I said, they may have reason to be afraid of you.

her only completed game is a newbie game from 2015 - I don't think you are allowed to play newbies as an alt?

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yea except i literally killed the easiest person to kill every day in that game

do you think its easy for me to kill you today? like lol what even is this comparison

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I'm thinking you wanted to do that again, because you realized that's the only way for you and ur teammate to endgame.

who is my partner again ?

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just checking to see what u think my master plan is here lol

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Toog is actually probably the most likely partner to Tracer. It would explain why they were both kinda okay with being the two main wagons and halfheartedly pushing each other but now that other options are looking possible Pooky is ramping up the rhetoric. Otherwise it seems like scum-Pooky would have probably just kept pushing Toog.

rofl

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you actually think

that I, someone who rarely if ever busses on D1 ran this play with my mafia partner Gamma E:

Gamma is at E-2 here:



Duckie unvoted at some point to put Gamma at 2 votes(Me/Wall Flower)

and then:




Like I don't know if you've read games where I distance with my partner D1 but I usually coach them through the progression to make it look natural or talk out how to play it.

And I've played scum with Gamma b4, he's usually psyched to see me and trying to pump me up and saying how he's ready to be carried.

for example here is a game where Gamma/Me are S/S:

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=87890

We actually do scum theatre and fight 1v1 on Day 2.

You can read the scum PT for our banter.

Gamma respects my scum game and we have fun being scum together.

The idea that I would push him mildly and he would freak out and jump out the window in response is

ROFL what a fucking stupid read holy shit

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for example here's how gamma reacts to me in the scum PT:





so you really think Gamma is going to lol rage rep out after I do some mild theatre with him ? like lol no

dude loves winning and my scum winrate is in the high 80s [when i dont even fucking try]

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you hammered yourself gamma didnt hammer you

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gamma never voted you

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first time ive ever seen a town player self in elo

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the idea that i decide to read flip on someone ive pocketed is kind of idiotic ngl

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whats my scum motivation again

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im barely hanging on to life

ircher is one vote short of forcing my elim

and i read flip on my most vocal defender who is widely townread

to do what

express ticket to suicideville?

lol

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if you are town and actually believe this shit you need some serious help

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what reward

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i take risks as scum yes but what reward am i supposed to even be going for rofl

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who am i even saying it to

not you I don't even think you're town

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when I say help I am referring to help getting better at mafia

not help as in "psychiatric help"

I apologize to anyone who took it the other way I did not mean to convey that meaning.

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They absolutely do. It doesn't do me any favors but in a tvt scenario it's probably more lucrative to elim toog. The noise you are generating would be enough for me to keep you around if I was scum.

that's why Wallflower is more likely to be town

If she's scum and me/tooge r T/T she is better off elimming Tooge not me

Oh right it was this.

Yeah i don't get why this makes them town from Tracers POV.

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because it is easier to push me at limlo tomm than toogeloo [if toogeloo gets limmed and flips town, it is very easy to push my lim thru tomm]

if she pushes me thru tomm we wake up and she looks bad for pushing me thru.

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almost 1 day left

any last words you want to get out Ircher before I self?

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actually I guess since Ircher is off wagon he can just hammer me himself and finally get that satisfaction of driving a stake through my heart

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good luck town

keep an open mind tommorrow

don't rush the vote.

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current solve for me is Norwe/RCE

Don't deadsheep me - do your own work make your own decisions.

I do not have any level of certainty in my solve.

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Just a game - hearts out can't lose

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Also the whole idea that i was scum would start going into a 1v1 against him just because he voiced paranoia is ridiculous. I view Pooky as an much stronger player than me so i have no doubts he would be able to win against me in a 1v1.
In fact i'm kinda coming to terms with the fact that i might even lose it today. But that's just how it goes, i should have hammered earlier and i can blame myself for that.

btw this is completely made up because

(1) there r no votes on norwee

and

(2) lol i'm about to die.

It's a completely fake read of the game state that has no basis in reality.

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hope you feel better Tooges.

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GG

I absolutely choked lol

hope you feel better Tooges

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I am sorry for how hard your game was Pooky. I truly felt bad, like I did you dirty.

Tooges friendo

you should never feel bad about playing to your win condition - that's literally just part of the game.

got me at the end with that AtE

sick move - definitely respect it

hope you stick around - will miss ya if you leave.

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Thanks for modding RH!