HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

[Flea The Magician]

D1 of a large, eugh.
VOTE: Malakittens
Miller go yeet.

[Flea The Magician]

What do we do with a drunken sailor?
What do we do with a drunken sailor?
What do we do with a drunken sailor?
Err-lye in the mooorning!

Put 'im in the brig until he's sober!
Put 'im in the brig until he's sober!
Put 'im in the brig until he's sober!
Err-lye in the mooorning!

[Flea The Magician]

I'd consider my Flea read solid and I'd end the day now to shoot them if given the option. My other two scum reads are more ambivalent.

Wat
Flea:

What do we do with a drunken sailor?
What do we do with a drunken sailor?
What do we do with a drunken sailor?
Err-lye in the mooorning!

Put 'im in the brig until he's sober!
Put 'im in the brig until he's sober!
Put 'im in the brig until he's sober!
Err-lye in the mooorning!

D1 of a large, eugh.
VOTE: Malakittens
Miller go yeet.

The slot's first post is +scum for like 5 different reasons and the song post seems designed to coast.

Aight fair. Assuming this is Nancy posting - you know I low effort large D1s though regardless.
So while you're saying there's at least 5 reasons my 46 is scummy, I'll settle for 2.

[Flea The Magician]

... oh you're signing with a joker card, its Frog. Meh, my question stands. Except I want all 5

[Flea The Magician]

@Flea. any reads so far other than Mala?
~Harley

I mean, Mala is an RVS vote and there's too many people for me to parse at this point - I'm also doing the semi-concious posting thing. I'm hoping to get you and Joker read as a priority, same for Mala as I know between you and Mala at least a solid towncore can be formed. Titus is also a priority to read because if she's town as well then we're laughing because it's a solid towncore.

[Flea The Magician]

meant to bold the last solid

[Flea The Magician]

Theres strong crossovers in this list to the frog/eira game recently, so I'm going to try to keep open minded to hpe and elements.

Forgot to say and you reminded this one; hi Bella!

VOTE: killing joke

VOTE: elements

Half unrelated: Explanations on these votes would be nice, especially when it can kind of see the Elements vote but would like more thoughts from others.

What

do

you see?

[Flea The Magician]

Someone needs to do something interesting... I have no idea what though.

I also can't seem to process this page

[Flea The Magician]

Aight i got some lemony caffine goodness - Sneak is some amazing stuff.

Getting food, playing a round of Hades, gunna read and try page 6 again.

[Flea The Magician]

Nah, coffee doesnt touch this stuff.
Used to work in coffee shops though, was fun.

Laptops loading... See ya in an hourish -.-;

[Flea The Magician]

Oh man bitter lemon nyoom juice is definitely a toe curler :3 Aight lets try and make sense of page 6.

[Flea The Magician]

ya know something...

StD and Elements can go in a barrel and be left on deck for a bit.

Annoyingly I have too little experience with Mala to be able to start reading her... NAAANCY!

Speaking of...

I’m like the killing joker posts for town. Mainly because I know frogs meta and this is definitely the town game.

As for STD I was back and forth tryingest to figure out his alignment in my brain. His early game felt more scummy, but as this day is progressing I’m going back to a soft town read. I don’t std scum would make a vote like this right now.

@STD, you’re claiming a reaction test on our slot? Yes? In what universe did you not think, that I would not find that suspicious? Now that that game has ended, town!STD did exactly the same thing in the Temple game, so because he had never actually done it before - despite it being beyond silly and lame - still bought it as authentic but there’s pretty much no way in hell, STD expects me to seriously fall for it two games, back to back.

VOTE: STD

StD was town in that game though. Not sure what you're falling for or what this is aiming for

Nancy

Harley?

149 be spicy from the Joker, wanna see how this progresses given I can't work out what the reads are coming from this... o.O Definitely interesting though :3

Which reminds me

@Joker

still wanna know what was scummy about that post, I ain't having your slot cruise by on my ability to read Nancy.

I'm not seeing the commonality in the two posts in 150 ngl. Eugh frogs giving me the bad vibes (not scummy, just ew in general - seems to be a thing we& do more lately -.-;)


Apparently Caffine isn't enough for this game.

Elements is a member of this fine ship I wouldn't mind walking the plank. They're shirking their responsibilities, playing chess while our ship is in crises.

Keelhaul that filthy landlubber
Send him down to the depths below
Make that bastard walk the plank
With a bottle of rum and a yo ho ho

Alestorm - Keelhauled

Flea's 111 sucked.

Read it again and you'll see why it sucked.

[Flea The Magician]

I do need to read you, the problem is at the moment either through the Harley shenangians or otherwise I can't get a grip on you yet and Joker is obfuscating that.

Normally I'm happy to read a hydra based on one head - in this case that would be you, as someone I know, respect and honestly fear at times - but I'm struggling to read you. I can't follow your logic here and they harley mask is stopping me getting the emotive read on you accurately.

[Flea The Magician]

If posting Harley gifs is really keeping you from reading me than I can stop but after I saw Joker doing it, I thought it looked kinda fun. \_0_/

I mean we're here to play a game and have fun, the Harley thing you have going on is more than the gifs.

I'll work it out either way, we're still early D1, there's time yet.

[Flea The Magician]

the Harley thing you have going on is more than the gifs.

I'm suspicious of comments like this, this sounds very manipulative.

Whatever it is you're smoking, could I have some?

Still waiting on why 5 reasons my opening is scummy from your pov, and now I want to know why/how this is manipulative.

[Flea The Magician]

If posting Harley gifs is really keeping you from reading me than I can stop but after I saw Joker doing it, I thought it looked kinda fun. \_0_/

I mean we're here to play a game and have fun, the Harley thing you have going on is more than the gifs.

I'll work it out either way, we're still early D1, there's time yet.

What is it yer seein' here Flea? I've tried movin' me patch to each o' me eyes but can't see anythin' out o' the ordinary with Harley

We talk regular out of game and have played enough games together that of all people - Nancy is the person I'm most confident I can read quickly and accurately.

You start RP'ing and that's a barrier between the players and you - I should know, I do it on alt accounts for giggles sometimes. There's nothing off about Nancy here, and I'm wanting to try and lock a read on her ASAP - meaning the hydra is my current objective and sole focus where I'm going to put my energy.

If she's red, the RP can potentially stop me getting that red read on her, muddy the waters a bit and leave me still questioning.

If she's green and I get to a point where I can lock that in, her knowledge can help cover my blind spots (such as Mala and probably others) as I know I can then trust her reads.

[Flea The Magician]

The problem currently is once I lock a read on one head, both are condemned to that read and Frog is not helping their case at the moment.

[Flea The Magician]

(I'll go out of character a bit here because trying to wrap it in pirate speak isn't working I think.

But what I'm asking is what about Nancy's play here makes you think she's RPing? I'll acknowledge you know her better than I do, but to me this looks like pretty normal Nancy play.)

There's a few Harleyisms interspersed in her posts (Since when does she call anyone Bucko?) and word choice is different to usual around them. It's throwing me off how I usually read her. The aggression is different because of it and ngl she's getting Harley's mania about right when she does it

I have figured out the answer to this question when you're ready to hear it from me.

Also, your pirate speak is easy to understand all things considered, miscommunication isn't the problem

[Joker]

Is it because you think I'm scum? Still waiting on your answers btw.

[Flea The Magician]

the Harley thing you have going on is more than the gifs.

I'm suspicious of comments like this, this sounds very manipulative.

[Joker]

Whatever it is you're smoking, could I have some?

Still waiting on why 5 reasons my opening is scummy from your pov, and now I want to know why/how this is manipulative.

This is just typical scum assigning busy work to Town while contributing nothing. I'm not doing chores for a slot who actively refuses to commit to a single read on any player in the game. Your ISO is atrocious. Harley said you would be AI over time and by God she was correct. Your next step as scum!Flea--since your faux pas attempt to pocket me in 191 has failed--is to chainsaw us for Dragons. You are fence sitting ALL OF YOUR READS while you wait to see how much you have to commit in order to save Dragons. How convenient your reads are ambiguous when wagons are taking shape and how quickly they will form soon once it's clear who you need to push in order to create a counter wagon for Dragons.

By the way, tell Elements hi in the scum chat for me, Flea, I'm aware she panicked (172) and ghosted the thread after I pointed out her theater with Dragons.

[joker]

Seriously whatever you're smoking I'll take some.
But ya know something, fine, lets do this. Lets dance. If it gets your slot sorted faster then lets boogie.

This is the worst paragraph I have seen 2 days into a game, ever.

You said my entrance was scummy in 5 ways, I asked you how so, you vanished.
Is this the busywork? Asking you about a comment you made? This isn't busy work, this is something you can answer quickly with as serious or mocking answers as you like. Instead you ignore it. Sits weird with me you take the shot and walk away. Its like farting in a room and leaving.

191 is a pocket? Really? Whats my pocket made of? Burlap?

149 be spicy from the Joker, wanna see how this progresses given I can't work out what the reads are coming from this... o.O Definitely interesting though :3

Which reminds me @Joker still wanna know what was scummy about that post, I ain't having your slot cruise by on my ability to read Nancy.

Like seriously? On what planet is this pocketing? lol

I'm fence sitting my reads because I have priorities to sort. I get overwhelmed quickly in Larges and I especially hate D1 of larges. No secret, ask anyone who's played in one with me. Nancys right in that I will tell in time, D1 even after 2 weeks is not that time I can assure you.

Where's this chainsaw btw? I recalled asking Nancy to elaborate on her process as I'm not seeing it. I'm not the only one either. like wat.

C'mon, do better.

[Flea The Magician]

I get the joker likes to gas rooms but I thought he used something other than his own farts.

[Flea The Magician]

You know something

VOTE: Killing Joke

The level of reach in your posts is honestly disgusting.
We're 2 days in, you're literally throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks and accepting nothing in return. I tried to be nice, but its clear that The Joker is always going to be scum.

[Flea The Magician]

inb4scumwithStD

[Flea The Magician]

I hate using associatives preflip. No one has ever amazed me and no one ever will.

This is the game you open your heart!

List of players you've outright said are scum:
Wayward
Flea
Elements
StD

I haven't posted a compiled reads list and when I do I will be the one who posts it: not you.

I stopped reading here because your post is deliberately misleading and made to look contrived on purpose. I FoSed Wayward at the very beginning of the game and have since re evaluated their slot multiple times, for example in 45 I state very clearly that I'm null-Town on them.

This post is essentially trying to reframe my active solving in the thread and posting reads as being scummy or phantasmagorical when it is in fact...playing the game to win as Town.

Pot meet kettle.

[Flea The Magician]

200 Wayward Sons is null-Town.

Ah yes, use nancys post to attempt to evade, nice.

[Flea The Magician]

OH BABY THE TRIPLE!

[...]
I scum read Elements:

[...]

Flea:

[...]
And--though I'm liking them the more they post--Wayword Son:

[...]

You have said all 4 on Elements list are outright scum. You cannot refute that and using Nancys post to attempt to subvert that is NOT GOOD.

Then we have this...

@andres

@BBT

@Mala

@Enchant

@ActionDan

@Passenger

If they are why did you not put a vote down earlier

Too many choices. But seriously, too many choices.

I'm about 50/50 in participating in RVS. This time I Didn't. shrug

Can you pick a few slots (like maybe ~4) you think or feel are more suspicious than the rest, Wayward? I think that would be helpful for the quiet slots to do as well.

I believe there are exactly one or two scummers hiding in the slots above and I'd like to help flush them out.

[...]

which is exactly the second list. You cannot deny either. You cannot use Nancys posts of her reads to wriggle out of what you're doing.

If you are town here, take the night off, get your brain in order, come back tomorrow. You're literally twisting everything that is ever said against you and using buzz words like they're going out of fashion.

YOU are the one who is being intentionally misleading, manipulative and reframing posts and actions.

Yeesh I know I wanted someone to do something interesting but ye gods I didnt mean shit in the pot, stir it, then throw it at a fan.

[Flea The Magician]

which is exactly the second list. You cannot deny either. You cannot use Nancys posts of her reads to wriggle out of what you're doing.

I don't know which one but you have a post of mine mixed up with Nancy's for sure. If it's the one I quoted with the card then I was quoting to add the right post link and to show the post was mine.

I saw that you're trying to refurbish Elements approach of pretending like there is something uncanny about my reads other than the fact they actually exist. Good luck with that approach.

OK fair enough, 200 is a joker post, I thought it was a nancy post. My bad. I'll give you that, however, it doesn't change what you have done, which is exactly what Elements has said. Whatever context you're adding to this isn't there. youve accused those people of being scum or thrown sus at them - not that it's a current readslist.
Whatever you're trying to show Elements is doing, isn't there.
I stand by go take a night off.

You know something

VOTE: Killing Joke

The level of reach in your posts is honestly disgusting.
We're 2 days in, you're literally throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks and accepting nothing in return. I tried to be nice, but its clear that The Joker is always going to be scum.

Flea is scum here. *cries*


STD scumposted when he made that post with if we PROVE we’re town to him, he’ll TRY o read us but anyone who knows how to read me correctly can tell I’m town here and Flea knows I can never be scum here, so yeaah I tr faer for paranoia on our slot but complete inability to correctly read me, Joker might be right then.

ANYONE SOLELY FOCUSED On JOKER’S POSTS And IGNORING MINE ARE PLAYING VERY BADLY And Are The MOST LIKELY To Be SCUM PUSHING US.

~Harley

For the love of the gods Nancy if you're town here you have a massive upwards battle and coming at me because your other head is scummy as hell trying to frame that as me being scummy and "ignoring you" is bad and pre-emptively its even worse. I'm not ignoring you, I'm trying to read you. Problem is your other head is literally thowing everything at the wall to see what sticks and is ignoring everything else.

I have always and will continue to go on if one head is scummy af then then hydra is scummy af.
I have caught hydra slots like this before, its a thing that works for me, you know this. Hell it came up once or twice when I've basically anxietied at you because I know people freaking hate me for it!

I've even done it to you where I've ripped the hydra down because of a single head. Admittedly in that game I had mechanical backup and was under an alt but still.

Hell thinking about it, you know all this, you know how I work, so this just gets worse that you're already setting up a shove on me because of that...

I was genuinely hoping you were Town, Nancy. You were having fun, but you jumped immediately the moment I dropped a vote to a full defence.

[Flea The Magician]

Harley you also know I don't metadive, the meta I use is the meta I've gained from playing with people -.-;

[Flea The Magician]

tmw your tile refreshes the wrong freaking page. Eugh.

Nancy you know my play better than anyone.
You know I can read you.
I know I can't read frog.
You know I do not meta dive.
You know I will latch on to a single head and take my read from there.
You know I'm a reactive player, worse than you can be some days.
When only Joker is posting, I can't exactly focus on both. I've looked at yours, I gave explanation why I have a little pause over your alignment. I've even said i'm going to try and focus on you because I can read you and not frog, who I think I've had 1 game with.

There's silly pushes, there's shit pushes, then theres manual extraction and yeeting it at the turbo propeller.

You are asking me to do things you know I

do not do

and using that I do not do them as a defence.

Your townmeta to me is you have fun, even when someone throws a bit of sus you have fun. Here you're throwing meta at me, hyperfixed on how I'm reading you and being crushed already with almost no pressure.

Most importantly you know I've caught you like this before, and you've seen me catch hydras like this before. I've always done it like this, trying to paint me red for it isn't a good look for you.

[Flea The Magician]

Killing joker is town can we please move on, thank you bye

I guess not, amazing.

... I think you may want to EBWOP your original post for clarity.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm honestly not that bothered how I look post flip, and whatever the consequences of your flip are, I will deal with them.

Thing is Nancy we're DAY 3 into D1 and still have about 7 days left and you're already in a panic. Like yeah this isn't entirely out of character for you but this early is throwing me honestly.

[Flea The Magician]

The games we've hydra'd, you've been a calmer about early wagons - you haven't jumped to every possible defence available and in reach - including ones you know is the equivalent of throwing a sponge ball at a brick wall expecting it to take the wall out.

Panic is probably the wrong word here but I know you know what I mean. Heightened is probably the accurate word but its still missing something as its too less of a word.

[Flea The Magician]

Yeah I don't have an excellent long term memory, downside of my many conditions. Also means I need to try and keep my meta fresh.
There's been a few Schadd games I've been in and I couldn't tell you if I was on main, alt or hydra for pretty much all of them except the last potions one I was in and thats only because I needed to update my wiki page.

I can only assume I had different meta tells on you at the time and once upon a yonder you were more reactive than Sodium in water. You've mellowed a lot and you know that and I genuinely don't remember you exploding like this since I went on break and we played on Butterflies for a bit.

But hey once again with the "I have meta proof I can link you to!!" when you know I won't and you know the reason why - because my chronic adhd ass can't focus long enough to read a game and my memory issues make it a fruitless task anyway.

Like no seriously it's just taken me 2 hours between distractions to find a shiny Growlithe in an outbreak...

[Flea The Magician]

But again this is stuff you know.
Stuff that you know impacts my play, how I operate, you know how I hunt and the reason why I hunt like I do.

You know these meta things you're pulling as "evidence" basically do nothing for me because

I literally cannot

.


hah amazing, actually the game I had to go back and check what my alignment actually was...
Thing is the bit you've bolded is still true, you are a reactive player. Also apparently I was on a train in that game... 90mph train so probably wasn't going *that* far... no idea what I was doing though...

Anyway. You had N_M tunneling you from what I've just looked back on, you were actually reasonably calm, and carried on with other people. You weren't overreactive either looking briefly back.

N_M tunnels don't just suck, they blow too - and even that is an entirely different situation to what is happening here.

Cause the thing is you're not under a tunnel here, I'm not here constantly decrying that you're scum, either... Ooo got a fixation moment, something tells me this is not the time for this but eh.

Spoiler: Like this particular set of posts which thank the gods for the formatting

Subject: open 852: store bought potions (sold!)

what about it is scum posting?

+1

Yes, please enlighten us NM.



~N

Are you ever planning to explain this tunnel? Why are we scum?

~N

I don't negotiate with terrorists

I’m asking why you’re tunnelled on us.

SILENCE SCUM!

Good, because I’m TOWN

.

Spoiler: Or even these reactions

lol nancy is actually scummy

*bangs head against door repeatedly*- sigh

We? Or you? It sounds like Nancy decided

Give us a good reason to think you’re not then. I have no clue what NM’s smoking but you’ve played with me plenty and your entire sr on us is based off of nai things. Now if you weren’t actually in Pokemon and FFIV, I’d probably be a lot less suspicious but you were and I would expect town!you not to be sr without a damned good reason.

And yes, I don’t tr you for sr for things you admit to be nai for me. Sort me or other players. You haven’t given me a single good reason to move my vote so far.

~N

Not thrilled with HEM mischaracterizing my posting. What olive branch? And now NM is apparently tr the slot he previously called my hypothetical buddy.

No, I won’t be silenced NM, because your ubershitty read on me doesn’t change my alignment - which is town. Too fucking bad if you have a problem with that.

~N

I'm saying your other head is King of the Water Treatment Plant and despite my best efforts to want to sort your slot through you, His Majesty decided he wanted to play ball with a likewise reactive player and sealed both of your fates through his royal decrees of absolute crap.

I've said to you, if you're town, show me you're town. You're not showing me you're town, you're showing me you're currently wanting to do anything to break out of this.

[Flea The Magician]

OOOO found it in my train log, was going to a friends for a birthday.

... You'd think I'd know that just from the day wouldn't you...

Spoiler: Was an interesting weekend....

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[Flea The Magician]

Again with the "HEY FLEA LOOKIT THESE GAMES"... sheesh thought I'd be nice and look at one thats actually relevant and one of us might have memory of and now she's running off with it... Give an inch take a mile much.

Your first game with me Nancy you trolled the ever loving fuck out of my "newbie"¹ ass as it was my second game on site. It was Death Curse and we both agreed that wasn't exactly a good meeting for either of us. Where you went for me for a few reasons and including because of my playstyle.

You are as far as I'm concerned flailing hard at this point and you've worn out both my patience and grace.

I've told you Meta defences mean nothing to me, and you've continued, then demanded to be given excuses that aren't play style.

Do me a favour nancy, stop flailing, stop throwing game after endless freaking game at me because I'll just throw my whole damn wiki at you in response and tell you go read every damn game to meta dive me.

My vote is staying where it is for now. Jokers thrown shit everywhere hoping it would stick, you've flailed more than a wacky waving inflatable arm thing, you've made your sewage lined beds, now lie in them.

Now, it's gone 4am, I am drifting into the semi-conscious state of sleep and pain relief, so I'm signing off for the night.

¹ second game on site after a hiatus of several years

[Flea The Magician]

oh and its not the overreaction I'm SRing you for Nancy, its the reaction in general, of throwing up as much smoke as you possibly can to defend yourself and using "playstyle" as a defence which we both know isn't valid.

[Flea The Magician]

I don't care about you getting upset Nancy, you're reactive and emotional, you will have feelings and you will show them either way. I also know you can do calm as town so your projection is incorrect as well.Your emotional state is NAI regardless. Throwing constant links at me isn't.

One of us& thinks we can remember there being higher emotion in the potions games, but reading back we don't see it.

this is another reason we can't meta dive as you well know

but hey lets just show how bad Flea actually is at the game and why I have an abstracted hunting method that isn't the most reliable method but seems well enough for me to get by.

I have said to you, I want you to show me you're town. Not Frog, Frog as far as I'm bothered is scum, the amount of shit being flung is beyond a joke and yeah it's sus as hell.

I've also said I cannot read frog. I have maybe 1 game with him so I still looked to you for me to try and read your slot better

.

So I've given a bit of grace - instead of just writing off your scummy slot, I've decided to speak to you and see if I can get a better read that isn't what is basically TSTBS.

Instead, all you've done is throw link after link after "playstyle" after link at me

knowing probably more than anyone else why I don't use meta beyond whats in my own freaking head

and even being told

to not do that and give me something in this game here to work with.

You are literally using the weakest point of my game against me. One most people are happy to acknowledge and work with. That's about the only thing you're doing in

this

game.

However I think fae knows I will expectedly get very upset which fae damned well knows and I’m starting to think fae’s goading me with that.

Thing is, I know you know all this will get to me. So who's goading who here?
I've been genuinely trying to read you, through all of this, using what I know of you, the language and word flow you use as I know you as town verses what you use as scum.

You're scum. Your language, your flow, your defences. These aren't town Nancy wanting to work with me, this is scum Nancy.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea I very respectfully am going to request you stop using a game where I was clearly frequently upset, agitated and clearly emotionally messed up in order for you to twist it to the exact opposite of what actually happened in that game. Find another bad reason to shitpush me because you clearly don’t give a flying fuck about actually trying to solve me.

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=84991&user_select%5B%5D=34888

Anyway I posted your ISO from Royalty where you very convincingly hardpushed town!Pooky to the point where it really messed with him and he wound up being successfully pocketed by you. You definitely had me fooled with how convincingly you hardpushed Pooky in that game.

~Harley

Nancy ive requested you stop with the goddamn endless links and youve persisted.

Meta is bullshit, you know my thoughts on it, you know i hate it, and you persist.

Your slot as far as i am concerned is LOCKscum.

I do not wish to interact with you further. You are also twisting my games, i hated what i did in royalty which was also an early game on site. You know i hate that game, that game is genuinely a stain on my life for what i did to pooky and I'm still anxious about playing with pooks because of that. What I did in that game was shitty on every level and even abusive once I outed.

i know if i pulled up aspects of your games, it would be taken personally.

Out of respect for you, for your growth and that people change over the years I have refrained. I suspect you know exactly which games I would pull, given your magnificent memory.

I have twisted nothing, I am using my admittedly weak memory and acknowledging when I am wrong. Meanwhile you are attempting to utilise the weakest part of my game and "meta" against me instead of anything actively here. Or did you perhaps forget that i have random playstyle shifts where I go on a losing streak because "meta"

I have tried to solve you here in THIS game, I even gave you some grace
I wouldn't normally because it's you I needed to read, not frog.

Instead you insist on meta. Instead you use my weaknesses against me. Instead you build yourself a plinth to be all high and mighty on while mocking me again.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm not usin' meta. Least not to the extent yer accusin' me of. I'm acknowledgin' yer meta exists 'n' why I don't consider it an excuse, but me read be that what yer doin' be mutinous in itself, not that it be mutinous because ye be the one doin' it.

But no, I won't be clickin' any o' yer links. I joined

this

crew, and this is the only crew I be concernin' meself with. An' I think the sailin'd go smoother if we all did the same.

Oh thank the heavens i got an unexpected sanity check.

Once I'm up and have eaten i need to start looking at other players who i can work with.

Titus once youre back home please be crew and help -.-

[Flea The Magician]

And Flea, since switching to signing my name made 0 difference, please enjoy my Harley “shenanigans”.

Signing your name wasn't the issue Nancy, you truely front know how i operate at all so you?

[Flea The Magician]

Why is killing Joke scum for scumhunting?

Even if they're wrong, I've been seeing some weird takes on them. A few people basically voting for them either cos they're... solving? or cos I guess their tone doesn't gel well.

Regardless of KJ's true loyalties, what I'm seeing is them saying they found scum on the one side, seemingly believing and sticking with their point with definite progression.

From the other side I mostly see: 'So wrong' 'How can you' 'And wow why u sus so many ppl'.

Now.... My mind's nowhere set. But it's weird that so few people are willing to actively discuss the possibility of Dragons/Elements/Flea with KJ, and how, in a sense, Dragons, Elements, and Flea are ranged against KJ, and don't really seem to be mistrusting of each other? Or focused on a threat? I can expand on my feelings but I won't, for now.

As I said, KJ can be wrong. It's just weird, them being scum for it. I know there's way more that's been said but this is the main vibe I've got.

At the time, Nancy was a priority sort for me as ive said previously shes a player i both respect and fear. She's damned good at this usually without resorting to an endless tirade of links. The others positioning was irrelevant, its something for me to try and look back on as I was focused on KJ at the time.

I don't think they're scum hunting, frog hit TSTBS which as far as Im concerned is still scummy, honestly. The fact youre echoing what KJ has declared as a team is amusing to me, and if love for you to expand on those feelings

[Flea The Magician]

Huh view last unread post didn't take me to the actual last unread post, anyway, awake, fed, watered, medicated once again, not in the golden zone as my brain is doing its thing (Apparently S came out during a game last night and made it spicy) but lets go. Anything mentioned KJ is being overlooked at this point as I'm done with that slot for the sake of my sanity.

VOTE: Bella

I’m ok with this vote for now.
I don’t really feel like Bella is sorting. I also don’t really find a lot of her posts memorable. I also dislike some of the posts she made.

See, I'd like to know more bout this.

Why should posts be memorable this early?

Out of Enchant, BlueBloodedToffee and others, why specifically is Bellaphant the one chosen for not sorting?

Basically, can you at least share which posts you dislike and why?

Finally someone who realises the current game scope... Keen to see where this goes.

Flea the Magician and Elements using the same line of argument against Killing Joke does concern me for the nonce.

Ugh.

Killing Joke calls Dragons/Flea/Elements, Flea and Elements say: Why are you scumreading so many people, wayward and all the others?

So much for ignoring this stuff... *sigh*

My approach was different to Elements I feel, Where Elements was looking back and giving evidence that Joker was being drastically inconsistent, Joker absolutely and imo deliberately misconstrued what Elements intention was and to me looked to be attempting to deny that then deliberately misinterpreted comment which was then the basis of my issue with Joker. Given the various comments on me as well when I was trying to be good natured about a potential off handed comment that led to sorting potential I started getting suspicious and decided to go for it, its a slot I wanted sorted.

I aleays say, if you can say how different you are as mafia and town, then you can manipulate it.

ohai Enchant, you still lurk meta then and yeah absolutely this. Meta is generally bad anyway, self-meta imo is even worse.

Mostly I want to know why, it seems to me, fae don't think Elements and Save the Dragons are mutineers? Because Killing Joke is pushing them? That's the impression I get. I'm not sure what makes Killing Joke more scum than Elements or Save the Dragons, I'm not sure what they are, but fae not considering that Killing Joke can be two thirds right, just because killing joke has included fae as a potential, I'm trying to understand.

I currently have little impression on either. Elements a little more than StD because I know StD can be a hard read, I dont know Elements but their points were valid so far as I'm bothered. Again, I hate D1, there's too much and too many to track with nothing absolute to work with.

[Flea The Magician]

OK quick rewind.

@Flea you really did hurt me but I apologize for suggesting it was intentional but I honestly don’t understand why you would think that so extremely misrepping my emotional reactions from Schadd’s game as “calm” when they were anything but to use that to push me for my - according to you - “flailing panicked” reactions in THIS wasn’t cool by me and if you expressed even an iota of remorse about that really gutted me, I’d be able to get past it already.

I hate that I've upset and triggered you, I have a lot of love and respect for you and I am incredibly sorry for the misrep. It was not intentional, it's one of the reason I don't do meta dives, I cannot recall the emotions or invest enough in the read through to get the emotions back. I would want to talk more about this post game in private if you're ok with that? We both have learning moments here I feel.

[Flea The Magician]

I am standing by that I refuse to interact with your slot in this game for my own sake at this time, though.

[Flea The Magician]

(honestly I'm probably going back on hiatus after this, I seem to be pissing people off left right and center. Anyway.)

[Flea The Magician]

Catching up from my last.

333 is just <3 - so is 337 and 347-8

Not the early TRs I was expecting but honestly StD and Rat are getting there.
StDs persistence admittedly can go either way currently but I'm thinking he's town here.
Rat is just consistently a good read tbh. Good talks, good points and good questioning.

Erinyes - Love feels like a very strong word for what you've said about my ISO, anything in particular that is standing out to you or is it just on vibes at the moment?

Ignoring KJ's post, appriciate Nancys stepping in there.

@ Flea @ JK I think you're both loyal Crew. @ Both Do you think I'm headed in the right direction with my Crew posting?

Night shift. I'll be walking the deck.

I'm sorry are you asking us for coaching? O.o
Or is this more a "How are you reading me?"

Bellaphant I'll be entirely honest everyone in this game is doing more reading than posting... I'm struggling to interpret your post at the moment (dehydration headache, whooo!) - one for me to come back to methinks.

BBT limping in. I can understand not being fans of myself or and KJ, would want to know a little more on the others when you're able.

[Flea The Magician]

@flea, I don't think we've played together, although I've read a bit about you and larping elsewhere! I tend to do well one on one so have a drink and chuck question or two at me?

yeah I'm a keen LARPer ^_^
Turns out its not a dehydration headache which means it's probably an OSDD headache so this is going to be foggy af for a day or two.

Has anyone in particular underperformed who you were expecting more from today?

[Flea The Magician]

Having only read the top 3 posts on page 16 since my last but 1 post I think I should VOTE: enchant

Why?

You really vastly underestimate this one's willingness to ride the wagon. There isn't really anything this one can do to convince you "Actually, it was NOT hesitation!" though, it imagines.

i feel like you're picking the easiest argument to argue.

did you provide analysis? do you have a reason why my posts are scummy?

This one's said it before, alot of it is just surface-level or outright filler. A good number of your posts are just extensions of things that could've been one post, which a decent amount of time itself doesn't really say anything. You're really just coasting along in this one's opinion, even in your fight against Joker.

So the issue is the quantity not quality?

My Read on Flea is that fae have a decent chance at being scum. I don't wish to entirely reiterate their correspondence with Nancy as clearly its a sore spot for both of them and admittedly I did not read specific meta, but understand in a general sense they have a long history.

111 is a scummy post. Voting a claimed miller is not RVS, and placing it there neuters its power. I happen to be biased about "town cores" since I view the practice of actively trying to force these flawed, moreover, to do so at the expense of scumhunting normally very distasteful. Let us take this post as is so we can establish this is Flea's priority and keep it in mind.

Spoiler: Flea: Post 111

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@Flea. any reads so far other than Mala?
~Harley

I mean, Mala is an RVS vote and there's too many people for me to parse at this point - I'm also doing the semi-concious posting thing. I'm hoping to get you and Joker read as a priority, same for Mala as I know between you and Mala at least a solid towncore can be formed. Titus is also a priority to read because if she's town as well then we're laughing because it's a solid towncore.

Fulfilling this objective is immediately sought in post 191. But I question (among other things) this bit:

149 be spicy from the Joker, wanna see how this progresses given I can't work out what the reads are coming from this... o.O Definitely interesting though :3

Which reminds me @Joker still wanna know what was scummy about that post, I ain't having your slot cruise by on my ability to read Nancy.

Why? Why bother at all? the priority is to read Nancy is it not? To determine the alignment of the Hydra by exploiting the meta (and I say meta here because if you think you can read a slot historically well and accurately it is by your knowledge of their meta) of one of the heads. Flea later will vote the slot because of Frog in post 232 and its about here where the slot is irrevocably damaged for Flea.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too. And I feel that's what Flea has done. There should be enough material to form a meta read on Nancy, I do think she has had content to analyze and enough posts to form an emotive read if that's how you want to get there. I myself am mostly reading the slot through Nancy's postings now and think (contrary to HPE) that 265 and 267 were particularly towny.

I can see this, and I'm finding it hard to believe Flea can't because Frog, no matter how distracting he is, prevents them from doing so.

[Flea The Magician]

I quite like this analysis if I'm honest.

I'm going to preface this with: I am not a fan of meta; and generally my practice of reading hydras is if one head is rotten, the slot is rotten. This is a thing I do that honestly frustrates and annoys a lot of people.

I agree with you on forcing towncores to be damned awful, the thing for me is if I can get players I know, and if I can determine they're town, then I will start to sanity check things on them. This is very much a personal playstyle and slightly unorthodox from what I can work out. Ultimately the towncore I was looking for is not for the game, it's for me. I will reiterate again, I hate D1 of larges. There's a lot of people and a lot of things to track, so to manage that for myself to avoid getting overwhelmed I go for the people I know and have some confidence in my ability to read.

While my priority is to get my read set on Nancy, I'm not going to put aside completely another player. If I determine that slot to be town, that's two people I am trusting to read immediately. Joker is still in that slot, I am going to interact. I am not going to ignore a single player without danged good reason. Faster I can get a read, the faster I can start looking around at other players. Frog showed red, red it is.
Except because I know Nancy, because I do consider her a good friend I wanted to still read her, instead of my usual line of "yeah screw it, hydras red." I opted to give her some grace, that and if we were both town honestly we'll wipe the game.

You'll notice in my 232 I said I had tried to be nice about sorting the slot, and you've mentioned nothing about what to me was a continual effort to act as though he as above me as well as a number of frankly awful accusations. The slot being irrevocably damage there is absolutely incorrect. You'll note in 264 that I try and reach out to Nancy and even saying I want to be able to read her over Joker due to the damage he has done. Again in 288 I say again they need to show me they're town, and at that moment they weren't. 249 is the point I condemn the slot and confirm/finalise that in 297.

265 is NAI.
267 I do not consider TAI.
I am not going into this whole thing again, but the reasons are stated several times by me both prior to this and in response.
Part of why I'm not going into it is because I don't wish to cause any further conflict with Nancy.

[Flea The Magician]

Of course I split the post in the wrong place...

[Flea The Magician]

huh thought I responded to the 111 thing fully. There was a reason I added it in.

Voting a claimed miller is absolutely RVS. I voted Mala for a random ass reason with no serious intent behind it. Which power is neuterd by my vote, do you think?

[Flea The Magician]

Can improve their scumhunting overnight by simply locating the source of that voice in their psyche and severing it from their soul.

As someone with OSDD and several voices in my head that like to interact and even mess with me...
Less of this please.

[Flea The Magician]

Ooof 5 page catchup, aight lets go.

[Flea The Magician]

You really vastly underestimate this one's willingness to ride the wagon. There isn't really anything this one can do to convince you "Actually, it was NOT hesitation!" though, it imagines.

i feel like you're picking the easiest argument to argue.

did you provide analysis? do you have a reason why my posts are scummy?

This one's said it before, alot of it is just surface-level or outright filler. A good number of your posts are just extensions of things that could've been one post, which a decent amount of time itself doesn't really say anything. You're really just coasting along in this one's opinion, even in your fight against Joker.

So the issue is the quantity not quality?

It's both, this one would say, but now that its noticed its VERY curious if StD will answer this one's question about what he saw in KJ that made him for them. Maybe more interested in that than the coasting at this point because its a kind of weird thing to say and then just drop quietly.

I am pretty sure your question was answered long ago at the time you're questioning. I personally feel StD has done more than you currently given I've been able to start developing a read there.

Is anyone else standing out for you at the moment?

Hello I am here I have read up to page 16 but I can only post tomorrow

I scumread KJ, and STD and I tr Bella

Hmmm... hoping your develop on this.
Do you think StD and KJ are aligned at all? If so why?

Might just vote std just to move this game on.

This is legit just focusing all time and energy

Like come on

It’s getting in the way of hunting imo

Also my cat just bit me while I was sleeping so here I am awake when I need to be up in 4 hours

Do you really have that much trust in KJ to follow this blindly? KJ is giving me forced townleader vibe at the moment.
Especially given a couple posts down there's this...

I think I'm right about Dragons because I remember Dragons feeling like they were more helpful than this as Town

which seems to betray KJ's confidence entirely and sums the read up as Meta.

Eh, if we are wagoning lurkers I'd rather do enchant.

Enchants a coin flip tbh, I'd rather have something more concrete.

I have been abandoned cries

Mala is right though this is Andres scum meta. I do happen to like gimli's content posts since it's almost about where I was page 4. We'll see if that holds when he gets to page 20

What is this, the meta meta era of MS?
Sheesh.

[Flea The Magician]

137 is the hint

VOTE: STD

What hint?

hydra too strong

You're going to be the kind who gets first sniff of their wind ain't ya...
Solid start and entry though.

If posting Harley gifs is really keeping you from reading me than I can stop but after I saw Joker doing it, I thought it looked kinda fun. \_0_/

I mean we're here to play a game and have fun, the Harley thing you have going on is more than the gifs.

I'll work it out either way, we're still early D1, there's time yet.

What is it yer seein' here Flea? I've tried movin' me patch to each o' me eyes but can't see anythin' out o' the ordinary with Harley

We talk regular out of game and have played enough games together that of all people - Nancy is the person I'm most confident I can read quickly and accurately.

You start RP'ing and that's a barrier between the players and you - I should know, I do it on alt accounts for giggles sometimes. There's nothing off about Nancy here, and I'm wanting to try and lock a read on her ASAP - meaning the hydra is my current objective and sole focus where I'm going to put my energy.

If she's red, the RP can potentially stop me getting that red read on her, muddy the waters a bit and leave me still questioning.

If she's green and I get to a point where I can lock that in, her knowledge can help cover my blind spots (such as Mala and probably others) as I know I can then trust her reads.

I think that makes sense but the problem with what you're saying is that harley isn't hiding behind a cover, her posts have 0 roleplay (as opposed to all the pirates posting for instance) and so I don't feel too good about you talking about the images they're posting like it's hindering your ability to read harley.

So context for this is I am autistic. I notice shifts and changes in how people post and talk. The RP is minimal, yes, and its not the images. The images are just a shiny distraction for my ADHD and I have no problem with them. Same as Nancy signing as Harley, no difference.

What is different is the Harley mannerisms, structure and wording.
If I may, for example, I could begin using the mannerisms of another of my alternate accounts, however, to someone unfamiliar with me. Why, they may not notice aside from an occasionally misplaced or unusual word. They would largely be unperturbed by this, you see.
Or even me other alt where idgaf an ya can take me as tha likes me, bit more obvious this un tho.

And I do use those accounts for social experimentation and the first one gets TRd way more than the second one.
The Harley ism's and speech patterns threw off my ability to read. And yes, its subtle, but you'd be surprised how much of an effect something like that can have. Think of it like makeup. Thin, can be incredibly discreet, but still alters your perception.

hydra dissonance in page 15: I think harley is letting caught scum talk themselves out of earlier more organic posting that denounced their affiliation. talking it out is easy and you're inviting that by bringing up past games and other things that are unrelated to this game. the fact is, std/elements/flea all joined in against your hydra like an actual pack of wolves. they made no attempt at solving each other and voted you out of spite. Maybe being inside an hydra head it's harder to feel confident about it, but as someone kind of reading on the sidelines it looks very clear to me how it happened and the rest of this game will be all about getting you n1ed and making sure nobody will understand early game enough to vote them out.

Given how the entire interaction went just prior to this point, and going from the context of your post this is discussing my interactions with Nancy, I have stepped away at this point, my vote was not out of spite and to decry me personally as making no effort to solve, I think is incorrect. I made judgement on StD and I still believe he's probably town here.
Elements is someone I have no experience with and is honestly not someone I care to put energy into at this time. I want to sort the people I know first. That means Titus, when she returns, and then diving more into StD and RR.

it's page 16 and flea doesn't realise STD is scum yet. I don't buy it.

Given this is your next post, my point is made.

[Flea The Magician]

andres did nothing

gimli comes in and tries to spout out the most "least controversial" opinions that people have

i dunno. there's obviously scum on my wagon regardless of my alignment, i'd like to hunt for it before i get slaughtered

Not much controversy, the immediate kissing up to the hydra, yeah makes me raise an eyebrow. The posts I have addressed, and the preview screen seems to think I'm "caught" on the RP thing. Jurys out on him until I'm caught up.

Std: hey guys I'm worried about kj I'm gonna put a vote there see what happens
Kj: STD IS SCUM AND SO IS EVERYONE WHO DEFENDS HIM
HERE IS SOME META THAT IS TANGENTIALLY RELATED BUT WE'RE PRENTENDING IT'S A SCUMCLAIM.
town: *applause* let's wagon std

Do you have counterexamples of you doing the same thing as town?

Seriously if we're in a Meta Meta era I'm going back on hiatus.
The examples given by KJ are night and day difference to me.

[Flea The Magician]

Spot. At times me spit is black so that ain't as strange.

Stop chewing all the baccy.

Super surprised Fenrir is the leading wagon. Wagon comp is ugly, too.

Probably gonna have to read the rest of this game.

Would love more on who's making it ugly, and why.
Loving 535 though.

I'm scum reading std (and frog a little bit) for tone but for very different reasons.

@bbt I don't feel qualified to sort the two leading wagons day one and I think hpe is Tien. Chucking a vote on enchant or elements isn't great, so I'm not voting rn.

More on reasons please.
Also why would Tien be here? ... don't tell me Chiaotzu is on the ship.

You know something

VOTE: Killing Joke

The level of reach in your posts is honestly disgusting.
We're 2 days in, you're literally throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks and accepting nothing in return. I tried to be nice, but its clear that The Joker is always going to be scum.

Flea is scum here. *cries*

STD scumposted when he made that post with if we PROVE we’re town to him, he’ll TRY o read us but anyone who knows how to read me correctly can tell I’m town here and Flea knows I can never be scum here, so yeaah I tr faer for paranoia on our slot but complete inability to correctly read me, Joker might be right then.

ANYONE SOLELY FOCUSED On JOKER’S POSTS And IGNORING MINE ARE PLAYING VERY BADLY And Are The MOST LIKELY To Be SCUM PUSHING US

.

~Harley

I also scumread Flea for those posts but for likely different and weaker reasons.

Cool. Then lets talk. I'd imagine you'd want to affirm those reasons and this gives me a chance to have a crack at sorting you.
Lets start with the post in question, my throw down. Do you disagree with anything I said there?

[Flea The Magician]

What hint?

I think 137 is an overreaction to what wasn't a scumlean by elements yet. it just feels awkward from STD to talk about playstyle differences and whatnot when all elements said was that she didn't like his KJ vote.

in your STD townread, are you weighing his KJ vote and reasoning as something towny, or just disregarding the entire thing? the 'I don't wanna say why I'm voting to see if someone else spots what I'm seeing' and then when he finally explains it it's a lot of air. you sure that's towny?

if you're seeing harley maneirisms in nancy's posting, okay sure, I don't see it, but she is certainly posting through the RP in a manner that you can grasp. and if you're someone that know her, you're more than capable of adapting to a microcospic difference in playstyle that, as far as I'm reading, isn't affecting the way she is reading the game. but anyway I'll drop this point for now.

I can see your PoV on 137 potentially being an overreaction but I also think StD has a point in there's a playstyle clash there. Both are honestly talking past each other more than to each other.

I've seen town do reaction test hot air posts more often than scum. Scum tend to be more cautious about such things as it can often bring attention thats hard to shake off - not to say they don't do this - but ultimately what happens next is what builds my read there.

Sadly a small stone in your shoe doesn't get any less painful just because you know its about the side of a childs little finger nail. It's still an effect and for me who deals with what is directly in front of me - it's significant just like that lil stone.

I don't read between the lines, I use exactly what's in front of me, word styles, sentence structure, what is said and what isn't. If you look back at my last post explaining this more, you'll see what I mean.

[Flea The Magician]

I'd need to look over Passenger properly, that will be a later job though as I'm off out for tabletop night soon.

[Flea The Magician]

Hm.
Need to check VC, will do that on my computer when im home.
For now my vote is spiritually on Passenger while I read back whats happened tonight properly and check my wires are not once again crossed.

HPE goes on the watch list - another wilful misconstructor.

[Flea The Magician]

i mean your vote on enchant could be performative "look at me i'm evolving from my death tunnel read on STD because i'm town"

but like i dunno why you'd switch off of me if you're scum i could probably be pushed through, though i guess there is enough hesitance...i dunno.

The death tunnnel is more death bracing KJ to be honest. Most early stuff is just supporting and following KJ.

I do wanna walk to you about the read here though Fenrir, there's something you've said somewhere that caught my eye and as much as it annoys me I wanna address it because its part of the HPE thing currently.

[Flea The Magician]

Hm.
Need to check VC, will do that on my computer when im home.
For now my vote is spiritually on Passenger while I read back whats happened tonight properly and check my wires are not once again crossed.

HPE goes on the watch list - another wilful misconstructor.

Everyone is assuming malicious intent......

As far as assumptions go, malicious intent isn't always the driver behind wilful misinterpretation of something. I can think of many reasons for both alignments to do it, the thing that tells for me is

how

its construed, how much it happens and responses to it.

At the moment I'll be entirely honest you're fulfilling "assume" quite well at the moment.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler:

HPE is not solving HPE is not analyzing HPE had hesitation in voting me because it doesn't want to look too suspicious jumping on my wagon.

i dun remember everything i've ever said

VOTE: gimli

FOR MALAKITTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENS

Here are a ton of quotes where I feel STDs tone is all over the place. Some look like town but a lot aren't 'progress' focused.

Frog's tone issues are about charisma and manipulation.

3 is not a ton, by any stretch. not when its less than 5% of the overall posts. and if we include the spammy ones I'd still say less than 10%. Yes the tones are very different in each one, but I'm pretty sure anyone one in this game can pull the same for anyone in this game. You have a serious sorting/read post, a flat rebuttal to a bad point someone made, and a YOLO SCREW IT post.

Two of these I would consider game progressive - but I have a low bar for that admittedly.

[Flea The Magician]

AND I RIIIIDE AND I RIIIIDE

I see the Dave Grohl avatar isn't just because he looks amazing. I approve.

[Flea The Magician]

You really vastly underestimate this one's willingness to ride the wagon. There isn't really anything this one can do to convince you "Actually, it was NOT hesitation!" though, it imagines.

i feel like you're picking the easiest argument to argue.

did you provide analysis? do you have a reason why my posts are scummy?

This one's said it before, alot of it is just surface-level or outright filler. A good number of your posts are just extensions of things that could've been one post, which a decent amount of time itself doesn't really say anything. You're really just coasting along in this one's opinion, even in your fight against Joker.

So the issue is the quantity not quality?

It's both, this one would say, but now that its noticed its VERY curious if StD will answer this one's question about what he saw in KJ that made him for them. Maybe more interested in that than the coasting at this point because its a kind of weird thing to say and then just drop quietly.

I am pretty sure your question was answered long ago at the time you're questioning. I personally feel StD has done more than you currently given I've been able to start developing a read there.

Is anyone else standing out for you at the moment?

This one already put Mala into conftown for the time being for the Miller claim, but it also doesn't super like their ISO or votes starting with 361. Would like if they could elaborate on their andres vote and their newfound desire to vote Gimli.

Bella looks good so far but wouldn't call her a full townread.

Enchant is... Enchant. Can't decide if null or scumlean.

Eira seems fine and this one disagrees with StD's earlier assessment that his opening post is scummy (when IS an opening post actually scummy?), think maybe they could be posting more content? No-elim vote feels kinda NAI also based on the RP.

Wayward Son's ISO looks good, very good vibes in general even if nothing particularly stands out. Not ENTIRELY free of bad (mentioning the chess, 88 which

is

kind of a weird thing to ask? Dunno.), but a good feeling about him overall.

That's about everyone this one has an actual lean on who hasn't been previously mentioned. Gut read is that Gimli's wagon is shit and he's townlean but need to actually investigate that.

Apparently we're not just meta meta, we're "lol whats formatting" meta. -.-; Formatting in the quote is mine.

So you believe the miller claim? I'm used to people often lolclaiming such things early on and take such claims with a large pinch of salt. Given Andre and Gimli are the same slot and this has been expanded on as

eugh

a meta elimination.

I'm not really feeling swayed either way on Bella at the moment, it's a very random slot what we& can remember.

Enchant will tell in time, always does.

Your Eria comments amuse me, you say when is an opening post scummy but I offer when is an opening post worthy of a conftown read as a rebuttal. You can absolutely have alignment indicative openers and several people have been caught on them before. The no-elim is post 27ish, page two and still in RVS so if you're reading something into that other than RVS I'd love to know what you're seeing there.

I'm not really paying attention to Wayward Son at the moment I'll be entirely honest.

Looking forward to your results on the Gimli wagon.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm scum reading std (and frog a little bit) for tone but for very different reasons.

@bbt I don't feel qualified to sort the two leading wagons day one and I think hpe is Tien. Chucking a vote on enchant or elements isn't great, so I'm not voting rn.

You know something

VOTE: Killing Joke

The level of reach in your posts is honestly disgusting.
We're 2 days in, you're literally throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks and accepting nothing in return. I tried to be nice, but its clear that The Joker is always going to be scum.

Flea is scum here. *cries*


STD scumposted when he made that post with if we PROVE we’re town to him, he’ll TRY o read us but anyone who knows how to read me correctly can tell I’m town here and Flea knows I can never be scum here, so yeaah I tr faer for paranoia on our slot but complete inability to correctly read me, Joker might be right then.

ANYONE SOLELY FOCUSED On JOKER’S POSTS And IGNORING MINE ARE PLAYING VERY BADLY And Are The MOST LIKELY To Be SCUM PUSHING US

.

~Harley

I also scumread Flea for those posts but for likely different and weaker reasons.

This caught my eye because it felt like it was mirroring my language.

I know there's not much there but you've piqued my interest and would love for you to expand on this.

[Flea The Magician]

Killing Joke - null
Elements - scum
Enchant - null
Bellaphant - lean town
Radical Rat - null
Titus - null
HighPrincessErinys - null town
BlueBloodedToffee - lean town
Eiralox - lean town
Wayward Son - lean scum
Flea The Magician - lean scum
Gimli - lean scum
ActionDan - town
Malakittens - town, probably
Save The Dragons - scum

Any sort of expansion on any of this would be appreciated.
VOTE: Passenger

[Flea The Magician]

Your Eria comments amuse me, you say when is an opening post scummy but I offer when is an opening post worthy of a conftown read as a rebuttal. You can absolutely have alignment indicative openers and several people have been caught on them before. The no-elim is post 27ish, page two and still in RVS so if you're reading something into that other than RVS I'd love to know what you're seeing there.

What amuses me is that Elements locktowned me on my second post and here fae are talking to Erynis, who did no such thing.
I asked Elements why later, no response.

Genuinely I think people have forgotten how to read or at least see context.
That or the whole dang crew is mutinous.

This one already put Mala into conftown for the time being for the Miller claim, but it also doesn't super like their ISO or votes starting with 361.
[snip]
Eira seems fine and this one disagrees with StD's earlier assessment that his opening post is scummy (when IS an opening post actually scummy?), think maybe they could be posting more content? No-elim vote feels kinda NAI also based on the RP.
[snip]

I don't understand your response here, who its aimed at or what you're aiming for here.

[snip]
Erynis is noting something very simple here, and my first post was so basic that Erynis is right. It's interesting, what faer saying here and that fae feels the need to respond to so minor a point at all.

Erynis: How can you form an early scumread like that?

Flea: Uh early tells totally exist(Ignoring nature of my statement and utter brute simplicity of three words), and why is Eira's No Elim indicative of something? (Erynis said it's NAI! Why are fae twisting what Erynis said? NAI means 'not reading into it', yes?)

Yeah my bad on that one, I misread that bit and NAI means read into it but found it Non-Alignment Indicative. Honestly doesn't change my position as it stands on HPE.

I've felt Titus, Flea, Toffee, and Gimli and KJ to an extent, try to save Fenrir. Not saying those folk are scum but saying at this point I don't think I can change my vote anymore. If I'm wrong and misread you Fenrir, so be it.

But there's way too many indications that we struck gold.

Struck gold in that StD is mutinous?
Intriguing. This would infer a potential solve from you of being within Titus, Toffee, Gimli, KJ and myself.
Given interactions between KJ and StD, are you actually sure on that?

Personally at the moment I'm tempted to look at the people who are misinterpreting StD wilfully as I think our odds are better there.

[Flea The Magician]

flea's #641 is another post I don't like, but I think it's possible I don't comprehend how faer weighs in the game and whatnot. there's a lot of simply not understanding HPE in my opinion, like here

Your Eria comments amuse me, you say when is an opening post scummy but I offer when is an opening post worthy of a conftown read as a rebuttal. You can absolutely have alignment indicative openers and several people have been caught on them before. The no-elim is post 27ish, page two and still in RVS so if you're reading something into that other than RVS I'd love to know what you're seeing there.

HPE isn't the one reading 'into RVS', HPE is suspecting STD's rationale behind scumreading eiralox early. HPE is not saying eiralox is towny for the 'no-elim' post.

Yeah that's my bad, thats what I get for trying to be copus mentus at 1am after a night out at a pub playing games.

Looking forward to your results on the Gimli wagon.

what do you think of my wagon now?

you still don't feel like you're scumhunting at all. btw I saw you had a question to STD I didn't quite understand either, so if you elaborate on that and if he answered that'd be good.

I generally don't do wagon analysis until we have data for VCA. Did seem organic enough, nothing really to stand out about it. Mala's someone I don't know how to read - seems convinced, StD was YOLO'ing from what I can see and Titus is inactive which means she's currently unreadable.

There was a thing, and apparently I forgot about it. Going to see if I can read back and remember.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea, you are simultaneously suspecting people who are 'wilfully misinterpreting fenrir' and pushing HPE with your misinterpretation of HPE's post.

There's a difference between pushing, squeezing and sorting.
I have not pushed HPE at all, but have been trying to sort it.
There's also a difference between misinterpretation/misreading and wilful misinterpretation and again between malicious misinterpretation.

Spoiler: Wilful misconstruction refers to this series

i don't think i said he wasn't confident as scum?

Can you expand on those?

Save The Dragons (6):

Killing Joke

,

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

HighPrincessErinys

,

Eiralox

,

Gimli

.

Green is town

Gimli

i'm still trying to figure out how to read gimli, but considering we just played dance game where i wasn't scum, and we just played doctor game where i wasn't scum,

why doesn't he have pause when thinking i'm scum or not in this game? he feels like he did in temple game, where he was scum.

Seems like it to me.

those are two separate thoughts, it's not saying he paused in the temple game

It seems we are at an impasse because to this one that seems blatantly like what you're saying there.

we are at an impasse because you are actively choosing to read it wrong. that is not what i am saying

we are at an impasse because you are actively choosing to read it wrong. that is not what i am saying

Then perhaps you ought to have worded it better because "actively choosing" is incorrect, it is on the contrary genuinely very hard to read it any other way to this one.

and watching someone isn't necessarily SR or even SL them.

why do so many people deal in absolutes? Watching someone is just "huh I should pay attention to you"...

of course then I say nothing and its "YOU'RE ON THE HEDGE!" like my peeps calm your lil marshmellow butts. I have opinions just people want me to put them within one of two boxes. Hopefully some of you will get the irony as why I just cannot.

[Flea The Magician]

@flea, I said 'i scum read X and y for tone but for very different eeasons' and then like three posts later passenger almost literally uses the same language. It's weird, right?

Spoiler: Referencing...

I'm scum reading std (and frog a little bit) for tone but for very different reasons.

I also scumread Flea for those posts but for likely different and weaker reasons.

I mean honestly its a common thing to say - self, action/read , target, reasons.
If you search in Passengers ISO it's standard for them to use the basic structure similar to you, so I wouldn't actually consider it weird. I can see why you'd think that though.
anything else standing out?

[Flea The Magician]

Trying to look back and work out what I was thinking, what wires potentially crossed on what I was going to poke StD on and just noticing there's a lot of unanswered questions from me at passenger and I'm considering if this is evasion or laziness...

[Flea The Magician]

(this is why I hate larges, I literally cannot keep track)

[Flea The Magician]

*snap*

Got it!

Gimli

i'm still trying to figure out how to read gimli, but considering we just played dance game where i wasn't scum, and we just played doctor game where i wasn't scum, why doesn't he have pause when thinking i'm scum or not in this game? he feels like he did in temple game, where he was scum.

Gimli has a VERY different feel to temple game here to me.
In Temple he was defeatist, but had fun with it. Here he's very much more active if just as lazy in places (increasingly less so) and there's no defeatism here that I can pick up on.
Whats the similarity for you here?

[Flea The Magician]

Given interactions between KJ and StD, are you actually sure on that?

Not seriously. But given I've heard someone once say, "Why so serious?" it's on the table, like anything else this early.

Personally at the moment I'm tempted to look at the people who are misinterpreting StD wilfully as I think our odds are better there.

Not sure if this is aimed at me or not?

Don't you think Fenrir's read of me, the first one, was off?

No, you're not wilfully misinterpreting and you're attempting to actually communicate.

[Flea The Magician]

I don't think the read was off either.

[Flea The Magician]

Can someone give me a quick rundown on the StD and Passenger wagons. As far as I know the StD one is because of the reaction test vote and apparent "scum theatre" with me but I don't believe that can be everything the wagon is based off of. For the passenger wagon I know nothing

Anyone?

That I can work out, StD wagon is accusations of not hunting and several people wilfully talking past him and occasionally wilfully misinterpreting him. Including false accusations of self-preservation lately which I assume are going to be excused as StD is using reverse psychology to try and survival.

Passenger I couldn't tell you others reasons, mine is they're evasive as not answering questions - several of which I've posed of the day - everything about them feels forced and bearly even the minimum needed. There's zero hunting, zero sorting, just throw away lines that honestly in places seem to be following consensus.

[Flea The Magician]

Mostly, but I'm happier with a passenger elim, specifically because I feel his approach to me specifically is weird: he talks about his read on me a lot, and I'm not the most interesting person in the thread by miles, plus the language copying.
The hpe wagon was worse.

STD has the leading wagon since Thursday.

Curious that you're hooked on the language copying.

[Flea The Magician]

What posts of StD's did you find towny?

Assuming this is aimed at me, I won't actually pull specific posts because why the fuck would I when i don't operate on that unless I'm locked on as I read surprisingly over multiple posts and frankly I'm not in the mood to quote wall either.

Overall, his posts have felt and read as genuine, to me his tone is open and often indignant, he's made several attempts to move past the miscommunications and I can honestly understand his perspective here. I feel as scum he would've either gone hard on counter attacks or gone quiet.

The "attacks" on him are absolute bilge water so far as I'm concerned.

[Flea The Magician]

If people want passenger instead I'm fine with that but I did like the last posts they made. Tho maybe too little too late as well.

How about Titus huh? She really disappeared from the game

Titus steps up tomorrow or walks the plank for hitting her lurkyscum tell.

[Flea The Magician]

I find the anger against StD not being eliminated amusing...

So many people are accusing others of only being focused on a limited subset of people and I'm sat here, monching my fruit pastilles wondering if I'm actually freaking sane here.

As this game is genuinely making me question my lucidity

"You're not looking broad enough at people"
Says the person tunnelled af.

"Why do you only have 4 people you've been looking at?"
Says the person with 3.


"I accuse you of this!"
"Of what? break it down for me plz"
"NEVAR YOU SCUMBUTTZ! YE'LL JOIN'T BARNACLES AFORE THE DAY IS THROUGH!!"

Then a much as I'm doing my best to ignore KJ and the various screams of "MANIPULATION" we have the forcing themself into a town leader position and actively using AtE and game-throw tactics to get people to obey their will.

I'm going to get called scum for this, but, KJ if you're going to hardclaim an ability, do it. Don't threaten it.
Theres better way to bait the NK and/or get people to sheep you.

[Flea The Magician]

Like genuinely this is too scummy to be comfortable for Nancy to be scum and still post at this point.

[Flea The Magician]

*grumbles*

Feels like i've hit the grog way too hard with my head rn ngl.

I am

trying

too see what others are seeing...
I am trying to see the KJ town everyone is seeing but all I see is scummy and I don't believe in TSTBS but I think we're actually breaking that here. I know if this is scum Nancy is so far out of comfort range its unreal. I plan to continue ignoring this slot but then we have...

Gimli the sheep. Passenger who's along for the ride, Eiralox who basically reminds me of the Sheriff of Nottingham from Disney Robin Hood at this point.

Then all this sus on StD for tone and theatre and I'm sat here actually analysing peoples tone and word usage and thinking "what in the name of the Hispaniola..."

Everything is boiling down to "METAAAAA" ultimately and I genuinely think I've lost the plot in this game. The people I expect to be here that I can read aren't here either.

At least I've had some unexpected sanity checks, RR being the latest one in the pedit.

Spoiler: Sheriff reference(YT)

[Flea The Magician]

I'm going to get called scum for this, but, KJ if you're going to hardclaim an ability, do it. Don't threaten it.
Theres better way to bait the NK and/or get people to sheep you.

Nope. Actually I would agree with you like 95/100 times but if you check how this setup works wrt night kills the mechanics are different which make my play justified here. There is no reason to expect scum have any idea what we can do yet and I intend to keep it that way. Dragons is a scum PR as far as my eyes can see and that's as much as I'm going to say until tomorrow. I will be including in my big post later a minor coordination of night actions following dragons scum PR flip.

OK this is all well and good, yes you're locked on this SR and you have the conviction - what if you're wrong?

[Flea The Magician]

Like genuinely this is too scummy to be comfortable for Nancy to be scum and still post at this point.

Ding! ding because we’re obviously not scum which is why I’m very focused on RR rn. I find their takes: both who they sr and tr extremely bizarre.

I’m still suss on all of STD/Elements/Passenger/RR and I don’t understand why any of them are being tr here. RR especially ought to know that this is 100% town Joker here but they should also be able to read me a lot better too. Also still extremely surprised you can’t but I like the content of most of your posting, which is what I’m looking for from the above and still waiting for.

~H

This comes with all caveats that I'm still not sold on you being town.

How much do you trust my ability to read into someones tone and behaviour?
StD is not scum here, the indignance is genuine, the "come at me bruh"s have been genuine and the people trying to push there mostly, I refer you to the sheriff of nottingham video in my last post. Every attempt has been made to communicate and work things through and out while people literally keep throwing the bilge water at him. Understandably there's only so much rot you can take before you just go "screw this i'm out!".

I don't see what people are seeing in Elements and Passenger as town, I stand by my passenger vote. RR also feels genuine and is consistent, he is compliant and answering everything, challenges made have been followed through which is honestly more than I can say for most slots here including myself.

I could be biased honestly as the RP reads close to my natural accent in places so thats a potential blinder, but I am seeing no reason at all to SR there even remotely. 885 being a frankly almost too perfect example, TTTBT may well be a thing here tbh but I've never seen anyone pull that off.

[Flea The Magician]

Harley we need more of you, I'm glad you're posting

I haven’t been feeling too well last few days but all of that is beyond the scope of this game.

~H

Yo mood, hope you're better soon friendo <3

[Flea The Magician]

Guys what is passenger doing with MQing me and then voting elements?

I believe in some circles its known as "oh nuts I forgot I quoted those".

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: elements

???

Why are you self-voting?

~H

Coz apparently I'm "100% lockscum look at this the most scummy player alive I can't believe anyone could think this is a town play omg just look at them scum"

Are you normally this emotional/reactive a player? This strikes me as absolutely nuts and out of character for you so far.

[Flea The Magician]

Theres a reason Im ignoring KJs slot honestly. Joker is genuinely annoying me, I asked a question, I got an answer, I'm analysing the answer meanwhile this demon is probably dumping half a box of sugar and sweetener into his latte which no doubt probably takes up a mile long receipt that could rival what I've seen of CVS receipts.

I'm going to guess 10 pumps cinnamon, 5 caramel, 5 hazelnut, caramel drizzle single shot lungo blonde skinny extra hot dry Caffé Latte?
(If this happens to be your drink of choice, please reconsider. The sugar content here makes the coffee absolutely pointless as the sugar will kick and last longer than the caffeine. Source: I've worked in a number of coffee shops and performed various "experiments")

Which for the record the answer doesn't match into show don't tell, it as an aspect of that, yes, in that it has an example. I got the answer to the question which honestly in itself is more than I can say about most questions I've asked today.

Spoiler: For giggles I'll go through my process here.

Response is mostly short form verifible statements.

"I think I'm a reactive player" - ok actually gives me nothing to work on here as the "think" gives reasonable wiggle room.

"I vote hop a lot a both alignments" "I'm a very impulsive voter" - These can be verified once i'm in a better headspace and not on a limited timeframe. They are factual statements and initially seem to be valid.

"Last time I got emotion I told someone to walk off a cliff and I don't want to do that again" - Again, factual/verifiable. Also gives me a point of reference of how extreme an emotional response can happen. Ideally I would be aware of this and would look at the meta for this, I'm not going to, I'm going to take Elements at their word here because "I don't want to do that again" is a specific form that is definitive and takes a hard stance against the action. Something like this, if you lie about then I have a number of opinions on where you belong, one of them comes with a nice heavy lid.

I have Borderline/Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder, you learn to spot this shit because you're a toxic person magnet. This reads as genuine and while I don't like the self vote, I can't say I haven't done the same before as both alignments, while there is nothing actually AI in this post, it provides context to a potentially scum throw action and gives me the chance to sit back and actually consider the emotion around that which I will need to reread.

[Flea The Magician]

I keep forgetting Wayward Son exists

Same. Given how D1 has gone and my plan to not get overwhelmed failed at the first hurdle I'm turning my sights there tomorrow. This hasn't felt like a large. It's like a mini with interactive spectators.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: std I'll even make it easier for you. Your move, kaiba

oh sweet kraken of the seas take me -.-;

[Flea The Magician]

ooo yoink 1000

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: passenger

Just doing this because I like playing with you

Also would be hilarious if KJ does not come back with another massive post cause we closed the thread with a kill without them

What in Poseidon's knickers is this reasoning at this stage x.x;

seriously get me the rum...

[Flea The Magician]

I'm exhausted, flea

Understandably, this is probably the most challenging game I've ever played in. And this is counting when I didn't even know how to play as a tween....

[Flea The Magician]

Normally yes, incredibly so but given how the day has been and how StD has been treated ngl

I'd selfvote

at this point from sheer exhaustion of having the bilge pumps aimed at you and constantly being worked over expected to talk and breathe while you have all the dregs of rust and oil and just generally grim water blasted at your face.

(oh no show don't tell)

[Flea The Magician]

This is a prodge. I LARPed yesterday and my body is hating me today so cant give the game the attention it deserves

Tldr mini v/la

[Flea The Magician]

Right, I'm on the laptop, lets play catchup.

I have 22 pages to skim... I got some nyoom juice, and a full art Gengar and Dusknoir, Lets fire up Spotify and do this.

Todays song - Sonata Artica: The Vice

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Number 9 of 11 little littermates

The self hammer was crap, understandable but still crap. That wagon has information, and lots of it. Flip doesn't surprise me. The counter wagon is always a good shot. Kinda surprised that went green ngl.

I received Black Spot.

I fucking won.

If this is serious, conftown for the day. Also potentially a scum favourable gamestate. I wonder if D1 was doomed for town, should probably look at the low posters of the day.

I think scum have at least one role blocker as well, FWIW.

Curious.

Eh, more interested in action Dan/flea rn? Eira seemed more buddy as scum but this is only on one games meta.

Interested in me why?

Flea defended passenger to me a lot without engaging in the meat of why I was worried? Like maybe a tmI?

Cool, noting this one. I feel this can lead to sorting you.

Why are you asking me questions?

Why are you town, Eiralox?

I'm a pirate. Why the asking?

your posting looks less meaty than a man that's been devoured by piranhas

Oof burn. Heya Gamma, nice entry sequence.

Spoiler: Rotten apples all the way!

[

Eira, I've liked Elements posting.

Fair they just haven't felt right to me at any point so that's where my mind's at.

As I was so cosmically wrong on Fenrir I'm willing to be open though, at least on most of ya'll.

You are striking me a someone who should be a consistently strong player, you have a lot of confidence in what you're posting - I am liking this post, but I do find myself wondering if you're as strong a poster as scum, and I get the feeling you should be in an overall better position when it comes to talking to others and directing town. Like I don't feel you're in the position you should be and while this is probably NAI overall I am really curious about it.

[snip]I very much know that there has to be at least one mutineer in Flea/Joke/Elements. I'm just not sure who or how to approach that yet, but here I am saying it anyway.

Curious again on whom you're thinking is the most likely.

I also missed this post.

Sorry, as well as Kj. They sifted weird role related reasons std was scum and walked them back and like, no one challenged. So it's even weirder that action Dan's top scum reads are in people who didn't make an impact day one, and let's the people who should've made an impact a town pass?!?

P-edit I'm not sure about eira. I feel both flea and kj were narrative forming yesterday

What sort of narrative? Working with or against each other? To what goal?

Theatre is a thing, yeah? I think I'd flip kj first but like....is that what scum wa r us to do?? *Tinhat*

While yes, theatre is a thing - do you think Nancy is the sort of person to emotionally invest so hard against me as theatre? Even when tinfoiling? I ask Nancy because I'm a known Role Player and acting is something I do in my games so I absolutely can, and given you don't actually know me asking if you believe I'd do that to someone is irrelevant.

I'm interested to see KJ's reaction to these flips when they return, I think that will be quite telling

Joker and I had allof therse (or mostly Joker) expectations and none of themcame to pass.

I didn’t expect either to flip town.

~Harley (last one was as well.)

Speaking of, Harley this is one hell of a limp in. I'm hoping there's more to come after this.

The cards for Day and Night 2 are as follows:

D2-1:

Eight of Swords

- Negative thoughts, self-imposed restriction, imprisonment, victim mentality.

D2-2:

The Devil

- Shadow self, attachment, addiction, restriction, sexuality.

D2-3:

Three of Wands

- Progress, expansion, foresight, overseas opportunities.

N2:

Two of Pentacles

- Multiple priorities, time management, prioritisation, adaptability.

The Ace of Pentacles from yesterday seems to have revealed it's play: The opportunity was the passing of a passenger, Passenger. More on that later, as for today... No doubt the crew is feeling a bit ashamed and guilty about the deaths of two loyal crewmembers, so the Eight of Swords certainly fits. The Devil and His negativity too will hinder us it seems, and the dark sides of the crew coming to light. Finally, the Three of Wands and Two of Pentacles feel somewhat linked. At the end of the day, perhaps some progress in the crew's favor will be made, or a prescient play will be made, and then when night falls it'll be up to the town to follow up on what is revealed by it. Hard to say exactly.

...As for Fenrir and Passenger. This one is starting to heavily question KJ, and Joker

in particular, and how much of a help they really are to the crew

when both of their suspects turned out to be good and true crewmen...

Are you suggesting to policy us?

*sigh*
By your own admission, two of us who "should" know your meta are independently thinking you're not town.

Spoiler: Littermates, all with different fates...

Above was at Eira.

Nancy, can you respond to Gamma's post? If they're scum, why do they come into the game and scum read you knowing it will earn them a scum read back?

I like you, you can be town.

Basically, it probably really doesn’t matter what I say here. It doesn’t even matter hox ridiculously I am out of my scumrange and how bleeding obvtown I am. People are wrongly scumreading Joker’s playstyle, so yeah he was wrong, we both were but being wrong doesn’t make us scum. If I had either played the game solo/Joker been proven right, I’d be a consensus tr right now.

OK my issue is Joker has taken you fully outside of your scum range, you just need to do what you do which is exactly what you're doing. But what you're doing is meta attacks and meta defences and I don't think you're bleeding obvtown here Nancy, Joker has tainted the slot, and yes if StD did flip red you would be a consensus TR - thats how it works. Being wrong isn't whats making you scummy, its everything around the approach, the wagon, and how you have both handled it and your defenses.

Nancy how is Jokers mechanical play usually?

I am poisoned. I will die.

Spicy, well I don't have to worry about sorting you but now I'm lacking people I know I can trust. eugh.
Please have something good for me later x.x;

I am concerned because Elements expressed he was poisoned. I know we both visited KJ.

KJ visited no one.

I visit someone and determine who they visited and who visited them.

Elements should claim what he did.

Elements hasn't claimed poisoned?

I lied

damn it enchant -.-; I can't even be mad because this is the level of BS you'd pull. I don't like how quiet you are though, any thoughts on whats happened?

Spoiler: Taught them almost all I knew.

I’m not opposed because that vote wasn’t good but I think it’s really weird Elements claimed to visit us and how did both of get poisoned?

Unless Elements claims to be visted by someone other than us, they’re confirmed lying scum here.

[snip]
~H

Euuuugh damnit nancy... I want to be able to ignore your slot.
I can't. When I skimmed I saw the second line, thought "ok maybe the dyslexia has kicked in there, check context."
Are you now claiming to be poisoned?
Are you claiming to have visited Elements?

Eugh this is messy as all hell...

That’s specifically because I’m not gonna put much effort into this game rn and that surpasses my current effort allotment by a long shot
You may get it eventually, but I’m not gonna try to accelerate it at all.

Okay, why not? How do I know you aren't just scum copping out by saying "I don't want to put a lot of effort into this game"? How am I supposed to tell the difference between your play right now and scum?

Not happening anytime soon, pal.

Why not?

Because I don’t want to.

Okay, aren't you a player who presumably takes pride in their Town game and had the better part of a night phase to read the game?

Why am I getting Deja Vu?

Damn.

KJ look real bad and Eira still won't vote them.

Elements, talk about that visit.

My read is that BBT is still town and will have a hard time leaving the KJ tunnel

I hope I'm right on KJ. It felt like town the entire D1, and I swear I'm strong townreading everything Nancy posts in D2 even if it's a little unfair to gamma who just replaced in

Also: hi gamma! Good to see you here

With as much respect as is possible please remove your head from which hole it currently resides and play as something other than a lost lamb.
Genuinely worried you're going to get separation anxiety if one of you or KJ gets keelhauled at this point.

No answer?

VOTE: Killing Joke

???

Why are you voting us when Titus soft inno’d us?

There's a keyword there, SOFT. You can be non-killing mutineer. I hate you've run with this so long after being told...

Absolutely one in you/Gimli at this point. Two if you flip red.

Without quoting you again, you are not cleared by any means other than no action N1 which means nothing.

Gamma seems good. Gimli seems good. Killing Joke seems good even though they defragged as fuck.

Toffee might seem good but I'm not yet the trusting type.

Dan?

Elements. you're scum.

Erynis, you might be, Convince me you're not?

Flea, talk. I want to hear from fae.

Enchant? Crew. Yes? I think.

Hi, AMA.

Vote progression

The posts linked are not the sole reason for votes in most cases, but the point I am deciding to vote.

1179 - VOTE: Killing Joke
1229 - UNVOTE: Killing Joke
1261 - VOTE: Killing Joke
1281 - VOTE: Gimli

@55
Bellaphant, Eiralox, Killing Joke, Enchant

[Flea The Magician]

Then respond to it and interact with me. I am TLing your slot but can't progress either way and its frustrating me.

Back at the catchup.

[Flea The Magician]

Like there is a lot in that post, I'm commenting on at least 20 posts. You will need to be specific at this point.
There's a reason there's 5/6 posts per spoiler. To allow interaction.

[Flea The Magician]

And my brain apparently crashed I thought you said don't like, honestly my points still stand, I am wanting to be able to move you to a solid read.

[Flea The Magician]

Nyoom juice has worn off and apparently I can't eat chips pie and peas no more... I'm a freaking northerner in the UK, this is DEVASTATING. Anyway at this point small comments, making notes of things to look at when I'm not liable to be on the throne every 5 mins.

Spoiler: And now, the best, the primus

I think it was a town bluff tho

After giving it a thought last night before bed, this one supposes that might true, considering its essentially the same gambit Fenrir tried to do at the start of the day and then subsequently failed to, and then flipped crew. Doesn't change the fact that being tracked to no one isn't an instant exoneration when goons exist, like KJ seems to think. Like, do correct this one if it's wrong but pretty sure anyone from scum can go and do the kill, and thus if a non-goon or OTHER goon does it then oh, a goon doesn't get tracked to Titus. Either way, this one doesn't scumread KJ off of that, it's just kinda NAI imo. And since it's NAI in my book, off to read them based on other things! Like say, committing murder via fake PR softing, and their overall play. This one thinks its kinda lost focus on this game in general but it does not have a lot of confidence in crew!KJ after both Fenrir and Passenger flipped crew.

KJ, you're not innocent just because Titus visited you and you didn't go anywhere.

The whole scum team don't all travel together for a kill. You can be scum and NOT perform a kill.

Just want to clear that up.

+1.

What in the sweet merciful embrace of grog did i just read.
I can't even translate bits of it...

Also not sure where you're getting me/Elements as scumbuddies considering this one's been doubting and scumreading her for a good while.

Who, do you think, if you can provide two monikers for the fumbling public, are mutineers?

KJ and Elements are an obvious two, but this one wants to find a third. That's kind of hard considering how much focus has gone into most people who aren't StD or KJ, that is to say, very little. If it had to pick a third suspect it kind of wants to say Mala and her kind of wacky posting? The unexplained bloodlust towards Andres/Gimli's slot too. Feel free to call that low effort, this one hasn't had breakfast yet and is not reading ISOs again at the moment. Can actually try and give you a more thought-out read later.

Given you're up I actually want to cross check this with something you've said earlier. Added to my notes.

KJ/Elements as a team is pretty shit looking yeah but their actual play both has me thinking. There is at least 1 scum between the two of them, for sure.

... Yeah i'm still cross checking the thing tomorrow.

No one else, it guesses? Again, pending further review of some ISOs. Feeling good about Flea and Wayward/Gamma, at the very least.

What is with the aversion to detail? Like I don't even want specific posts I want

reason

.

Well I earlier said I know there's one scum in Flea/Elements/Joke.

You know mechanically that one is scum and the other two are town?

Explain?

I'm a vanilla parity cop
pick two and learn if there is exactly 1 pr between them

Noted for later, I'm sure this conflicts with something said earlier.

Spoiler: Number Nine of eleven little littermates

Trying to think of a way to optimize this
I low key wanna TR Ella’s claim but the logical part of me is aware it’s a bad idea to just full-send on that

Hmm, this is definitely a pause for thought moment.
Optimising is always good, however, it should be up to Elements to do that, not you, you know that. Neither of you can be reliably cleared at the moment without Elements doing a full claim each day and you also know that's bad because the optimal route has to be shifted each day based on results.
I do have extra thoughts I need to come back to though.

I liked eiras reads list a surprising amount but also stronger reading bbt as town. I'm wavering a little on hpe: hpe, can you check a few questions my way? I'd like this from flea and gamma as well, if you have a sec

Can't remember if I've thrown some that have gone unanswered, I know there's some in my 1665, first two spoilers.

Claims Day 1: Mala, Joker.

target Joker, only see scum in Joker.

Elements gives no indication where other mutineers might even be.

Am I being obtrusive? No.

I just don't trust this.

Too little data the follow the claim sadly. Can't be remotely trusted yet and I'm honestly glad to see nobodys blindly going ham on this.

I forgot mala existed. Mala should get checked with a claimed vt right?

Why settle for less?
With any sort of Parity checking you always want as much information as you can get so you always target 2 new people each night.
The collective information from more people makes it more powerful as the game goes on and people flip.

@Elementd, you need to claim rn who you targeted, because if you die tonight, we need to know the other two players because one of the two is scum and hopeless a protective?

Yeah I changed my mind, I believe the claim, they’re just dead wrong on us.

Mala’s done enough to be obvtown.

~H

On tonights episode of "How to work out who we shouldn't NK"....
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I think page 60 just made my head hurt ngl.
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Elements: I have two Results. Killing Joke is scum

Who else?

Elements: ......

Who Else?

Elements: Killing Joke is scum.

Knowing the other target is anti-Town. Stop asking for it.

HAhhhhaaaaaaaaa!

I'm saying Element's ain't hunting.

Nice deflection ; )


And yes, I don't trust Elements. I very much want to know the other target. Only thing that can regain my trust, even if minutely.

See this is why I'm struggling to sort you.
Elements isn't hunting, I'll give you that, she's literally not standing out to me rn beyond all this claim business.
Believe the claim, or don't believe the claim. Don't ask for potentially anti-town information if the claim is real.

Spoiler: Feeling almighty

I think she botched the claim by assuming KJ would be a goon

Because that's not the mechanical information she supposedly has. So. I'm staying on elements.

I am not following ngl. It's late though and I plan to look after her later.

I am insisting on Princess and BBT today as of now.

Love for more if you're able titus, and hoping you get well soon <3
I'm TRing BBT at the moment. Juries out on HPE.

we need to flip RR after elements and unfortunately it might flip town

Starting to think you're potentially openwolfing.

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Setup spec on 64, we're non-normal and non-bastard. That's all the information we have. Miller interacts with a number of investigatives, until we have PR flips we can't really safely speculate... unless of course...

Joker has called five mutineers(And is yet to answer why btw)

I messaged mods last night and received confirmation that this setup *can* contain traitors and Rats is *kind of* reading as Traitor to me this game.

I don't wanna defend myself too much cause I think this wagon can be important later but

what's more important, RR, that I called for votes on STD to flip him and end the gameday, or that I actively helped changing the tide of the gamethread to one where we're flipping elsewhere? there's no point to your scumread, IDK why you're thinking that.

Again with such strong presumptions... I think ye vastly overestimate your influence lad. It's as though ye think ye've got the backin' o'... Maybe three to four others behind ye.

Joker is now giving me TMI vibes. I don't see the relevance on #3 to the first two. And responding to "how do you know the setup" with "I messaged the mods" is genuinely sus af. This feels like a slip, I could be wrong given the 1am and sugar crash, I do want further clarification on this.
I'm still disliking the forced townleader position and honestly I stand with Gamma on the following exchange.

Reread elements and read up on a town game KJ linked of them from day 1. I cant find appreciable differences and furthermore I think elements posting in this game is town again. I did not take into account the parity role cop like claim which I independently find believable as well as its presentation and rollout.

This also means I quite literally have no scumreads.

I'm going to look through individual isos one by one and see If I can pick up on anything as I go though. I really wish I could spend some more time on this game my work is killing me

I recall you SRing me to some extent, what happened there?
(answered a post later, nevermind)

Spoiler: Is after my throne

VOTE: HPE
E-1

With enchant in game this is essentially hammer -.-;
What makes HPE hammer worthy for you here?

Hey Flea!

Please tell me how fae feels about Elements putting Erynis at -1 whenever fae can.

I don't like it. I can draw a number of conclusions from this, none of them are good. Assuming the Parity Cop is genuine, this implicates HPE as the second check, it potentially implicates Elements just as scum here as with Enchant in the game I do consider E-1 a hammer vote., there's a lot of avenues here and none of them are honestly good to me here. This needs to be some good reasoning.

Huh, this one ISN'T dead yet.
This one is... interested, in how erratic Eiralox's play has been wrt this one and its wagon, and it can concur with the point of this being an absolute flashwagon too, and it can't help but feel town is going to regret ending the day

this

soon regardless of how it flips. Overall Eira is feeling rather towny because this one imagines scum would absolutely leap onto a E-2 easy mislim this early, and its certain there's scum even outside of its two prime suspects on the wagon.

This is part of my issue on being unable to read Eira, even using my usual methods of reading someone is being thrown off here.

I’m seriously starting to wonder between some people either possibly being scum or taken leave of their senses. Not interested in getting into a fight or anything and also not trying to offend but we have a confitown with a soft inno on us like we did in the game where I was in the hydra Arkham Asylum in Vengeful Ghosts where flipped consensus tr Dannflor protected us and there was no kill but the majority of the people (in the dead thread) making that decision didn’t think so and literally the only reason town didn’t lose was literally one of the townies who wrongly scumread us despite all evidence to the contrary, just happened to be asleep at the time and the cw was the last scum.

Wrt to Eira, their constant jumpiness reminds me of their play in Nobility where they seemed to be changing their mind like pretty much every 15 seconds.

I’m still suspicious of Elements but that post by HPE saying one scum between us and Enchant makes no freaking sense to me whatsoever.

Why make an absolute pairing like that between two players with no connection that I can see? The complete arbitrariness of that pairing just looks really bad to me.

@Flea - 3 words: *egg on face*. <3

I will happily deal with the egg on my face and never doubt you again if you're town here Harley, but the big problem amongst others is YOU ARE NOT CONFTOWN. You have a soft N1-only inno thats about as useful as me claiming I got some vanilla ice cream.

@55
Bellaphant, Eiralox, Killing Joke, Enchant

What does this mean?
Also, I would really like if Bella, Mala, AD, and Gimli did more, please.

Page number for if me or my laptop crashes out. Sugar crash is nasty - as much as I love the fizzy. Names are people who should probably have a poke in the post as there's something relevant to them or something I want them to answer.

caught up
HPE, Gimli, Elements

and now, good night

[Flea The Magician]

@flea, hi! I felt like you pooh-ed my 'passengrr is copying my wording ' thing when my focus was on how weird it was that they kept talking about me when a lot of other people are/were ignoring me. For example, kj still hasn't engaged with my asking why they ifnoredtmy comments about the wagon: a chat I also had towards the end of day with elements that didn't go anywhere.

I feel like day one was overrun by scum: we ran up two town! And I felt like you were fairly noisy, but maybe it's just that kj was really noisy.

I can't work out if my reads are shit or I'm just sad. I think eiras town.

That was not what was presented to me at the time.
What you said to me at the time was Passengers language use was eerily similar to yours and thats the part I focused on at the time.

Spoiler: References

@joker, I'm slightly more aggressive as scum: see the lack of confidence.
@flea, I said 'i scum read X and y for tone but for very different eeasons' and then like three posts later passenger almost literally uses the same language. It's weird, right?

I'm scum reading std (and frog a little bit) for tone but for very different reasons.

@bbt I don't feel qualified to sort the two leading wagons day one and I think hpe is Tien. Chucking a vote on enchant or elements isn't great, so I'm not voting rn.

You know something

VOTE: Killing Joke

The level of reach in your posts is honestly disgusting.
We're 2 days in, you're literally throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks and accepting nothing in return. I tried to be nice, but its clear that The Joker is always going to be scum.

Flea is scum here. *cries*


STD scumposted when he made that post with if we PROVE we’re town to him, he’ll TRY o read us but anyone who knows how to read me correctly can tell I’m town here and Flea knows I can never be scum here, so yeaah I tr faer for paranoia on our slot but complete inability to correctly read me, Joker might be right then.

ANYONE SOLELY FOCUSED On JOKER’S POSTS And IGNORING MINE ARE PLAYING VERY BADLY And Are The MOST LIKELY To Be SCUM PUSHING US

.

~Harley

I also scumread Flea for those posts but for likely different and weaker reasons.

This caught my eye because it felt like it was mirroring my language.

There's a reason I call you manipulative

It's fucking weird that Std has been the main wagon all day phase. I think it's anti town not to question that. Day one spats are often t v t, no?

Std is 'scummy' for reasons around tone and 'theatre'.
Passenger is scummy for a lack of content, really boring reads and no progresion.

Mostly, but I'm happier with a passenger elim, specifically because I feel his approach to me specifically is weird: he talks about his read on me a lot, and I'm not the most interesting person in the thread by miles, plus the language copying.
The hpe wagon was worse.

STD has the leading wagon since Thursday.

The conclusion was yes it was similar, but not out of character and given the basic construction and mannerisms honestly its similar to a lot of people in this game. I did find Passenger suspect for other reasons as well, seemingly hidden motivations and being evasive/ignoring questions. You made no mention of his approach to you at all at the time we interacted.

[Flea The Magician]

" I am not following ngl. It's late though and I plan to look after her later." This is flea's post wrt elly. I'm gonna respond to it and then I'm gonna peace out.

Why I don't trust elements' claim:

1) she got all the mechanical information from the gamethread: when elements claimed "some sort of cop", KJ had already hardclaimed VT in the thread, and before that Titus had already claimed that elements visited KJ, and that KJ visited no one. So if elements is scum, she needs to come up with a fake claim. My idea is that Elly picked up a claim by attaching these informations together, that came before her claim and that forced her to hardclaim.

2) Elly's claim is that of a vanilla parity cop. How the role works: you get two kinds of results: one if both players are either vanilla or both not vanilla, and another if exactly one of the players is not vanilla. Elly then assumed the vanilla part of KJ's claim was true and said they were "probably goon" and that "the other is VT". If Elly was really a vanilla parity cop, she couldn't make this inference, because she could simply have a result where both KJ and the other player were both PRs instead of both vanillas.

3) if she was a vanilla parity cop, she'd botched her NA by "not trusting" KJ's claim (which doesn't matter because, if scum, KJ might still be a PR) but then pairing them with another unknown player (instead of e.g. mala kittens) which would give her a pointless result anyway if the idea was to investigate KJ's claim of pr. Why? Cause whatever result she gets will not help determine if KJ is or isn't a PR.

ok saving myself some digging effort for today, my body is once again hating me (as is my bank tbh but EH)

... damnit I can't resize these textboxes?!

*grumble*

thank gods for tiles I guess.

1) Valid plan, the claim implies there is additional information and from how the claim is constructed there is an implication of additional data, so if Elly is alive when fullclaim happens, she goes first. Her data cannot be faked at that point and if there's too many dead folk in the list she's the priority for the cannon yeeting.

2) I know how parity and vanilla cops work. And this is where something has pinged me. There's no way to determine KJ's alignment from that check and the conviction it was said with threw me a little. The result seems to be both were 'nilla. I need to double check that at some point.

3) Botched night actions happen. Doesn't matter your experience. Personally KJ's claim stunk more than the poop deck on curry night and didn't need to be checked but the confirmation that Joker is truely the king of the poop deck is nice to have. It is also one of those roles where if you are not mechanically minded it's easy to botch. I don't know Elly's mechanical capability, so I can't judge on that.

[Flea The Magician]

Like are we really calling that hpe wagon pure? One scum in enchant/Titus 100%

Titus is conftown by way of she dead.

Ok, but then if we believe Titus, that doesn't mean hpe is scum: Titus is boring hpe because she believes it/bbt (and/or?) Must be scum for her to be the nk, which....I don't understand. Again, the reasoning for people's votes just isn't there.

You should be pushing Enchant here then. Who honestly I have never known to be so lurky and is given me epic heebies at this point. I'm not making a case based on "heebies" though and will be pushing there at a later point if this continues.

[Flea The Magician]

ok saving myself some digging effort for today, my body is once again hating me (as is my bank tbh but EH)

... damnit I can't resize these textboxes?!

*grumble*

thank gods for tiles I guess.

1) Valid plan, the claim implies there is additional information and from how the claim is constructed there is an implication of additional data, so if Elly is alive when fullclaim happens, she goes first. Her data cannot be faked at that point and if there's too many dead folk in the list she's the priority for the cannon yeeting.

2) I know how parity and vanilla cops work. And this is where something has pinged me. There's no way to determine KJ's alignment from that check and the conviction it was said with threw me a little. The result seems to be both were 'nilla. I need to double check that at some point.

3) Botched night actions happen. Doesn't matter your experience. Personally KJ's claim stunk more than the poop deck on curry night and didn't need to be checked but the confirmation that Joker is truely the king of the poop deck is nice to have. It is also one of those roles where if you are not mechanically minded it's easy to botch. I don't know Elly's mechanical capability, so I can't judge on that.

You mean the n1 soft don’t you, the vt one has been proven by two players now and one of those is confitown. And what do you have against curry ? lol

I was just thinking you might possibly have townslipped earlier but if you seriously believe my true claim is bad, maybe that’s premature?

Starting to once again doubt my read on you. Both Titus and Elements confirmed different things. both adding up with our vt claim. so honestly no clue what to make of this totally bizarro read on our claim, if you ARE referring to my vt claim?

~Harley

This is why I'm not TRing you.
This isn't even discussing your slot and yet you've tried to slide the "we're conftown" in here.
You are not proven vanilla town. You are proven vanilla. That is all you have.

I have nothing against curry, but I have IBS and it has everything against me.

[Flea The Magician]

Like are we really calling that hpe wagon pure? One scum in enchant/Titus 100%

Titus is conftown by way of she dead.

Ok, but then if we believe Titus, that doesn't mean hpe is scum: Titus is boring hpe because she believes it/bbt (and/or?) Must be scum for her to be the nk, which....I don't understand. Again, the reasoning for people's votes just isn't there.

You should be pushing Enchant here then. Who honestly I have never known to be so lurky and is given me epic heebies at this point. I'm not making a case based on "heebies" though and will be pushing there at a later point if this continues.

Yeah, Flea, do you mind talking more about your read on Enchant? Did you think their EoD 1 was town!indicative?

They were present EoD1?
I don't have a read on Enchant. Enchant tells over time and quite obviously. Less activity points to them being more likely scum. I won't be casing them on Meta and will be hopefully looking at their posts once they post something potentially AI

[Flea The Magician]

ok saving myself some digging effort for today, my body is once again hating me (as is my bank tbh but EH)

... damnit I can't resize these textboxes?!

*grumble*

thank gods for tiles I guess.

1) Valid plan, the claim implies there is additional information and from how the claim is constructed there is an implication of additional data, so if Elly is alive when fullclaim happens, she goes first. Her data cannot be faked at that point and if there's too many dead folk in the list she's the priority for the cannon yeeting.

2) I know how parity and vanilla cops work. And this is where something has pinged me. There's no way to determine KJ's alignment from that check and the conviction it was said with threw me a little. The result seems to be both were 'nilla. I need to double check that at some point.

3) Botched night actions happen. Doesn't matter your experience. Personally KJ's claim stunk more than the poop deck on curry night and didn't need to be checked but the confirmation that Joker is truely the king of the poop deck is nice to have. It is also one of those roles where if you are not mechanically minded it's easy to botch. I don't know Elly's mechanical capability, so I can't judge on that.

You mean the n1 soft don’t you, the vt one has been proven by two players now and one of those is confitown. And what do you have against curry ? lol

I was just thinking you might possibly have townslipped earlier but if you seriously believe my true claim is bad, maybe that’s premature?

Starting to once again doubt my read on you. Both Titus and Elements confirmed different things. both adding up with our vt claim. so honestly no clue what to make of this totally bizarro read on our claim, if you ARE referring to my vt claim?

~Harley

This is why I'm not TRing you.
This isn't even discussing your slot and yet you've tried to slide the "we're conftown" in here.
You are not proven vanilla town. You are proven vanilla. That is all you have.

I have nothing against curry, but I have IBS and it has everything against me.

Sorry then didn’t mean to be insensitive but yeah we pretty much are very close to confitown - as much as you can from two soft innos anyway.

Who were you discussing? The new formatting is making this thread + our seriously dwindling post count hard to keep track of.

Gimli is quoted in the original post I made.
I made the poop joke, don't worry about it I have fun with it.

You have "N1 Killclear" and "Vanilla" - this does not make you town or even close to it.
It makes you Vanilla and that you didn't kill N1. We don't know the setup, we don't know the number of goons or powers, and mutineers have multi-tasking (Post 2 Public Setup Information)

If Joker is worth half the salt you say he is, and "tried to bait the NK", then I wouldn't be surprised to see someone else kill while you stay put to get that killclear.

[Flea The Magician]

You are literally trying to force a narrative that you are confirmed town by two non-alignment checks. I am happy to sit in your scumdar as a result of this, you know I'm decent enough at mechanical play, you know I wouldn't let anyone else pull this.

So once again, I am going to disengage until the crew wake up.

[Flea The Magician]

Prodging again, last night was

spicy

and not for good reason, and has compounded with a IBS flare so I ain't feeling so hot.

Going to try and trawl through the last couple pages and see what I find when I can, I'm aware of the deadline not being in my favour here.

[Flea The Magician]

Prodding ActionDan and Flea The Magician.

Rude I already posted.

[Flea The Magician]

I am still battling a stress headache from hell that may actually be a migraine.
If you want feedback from a specific post, ask me.

pedit: Mines a lean, not a read, and the brain is scrambled so couldn't actually tell you at this point. Vaguely recall them feeling genuine in what they were saying but motives and approaches would be equally good and yet often highly questionable and just wrong.

[Flea The Magician]

You are fucking kidding me?

I've jut caught up, done the bullet points, with one eye mostly shut because of a fucking migraine aura, and the new site logs me out, doesn't tell me and eats the fucking post...

tldr Eiralox is big sus and needs to expand, VOTE: Erinys

[Flea The Magician]

Reason for Erinys vote
D1 was awful, deliberate misinterpretations, D2 isn't much better and I'm sheeping Titus too.

[Flea The Magician]

I am not angry. I am trying to win though, you're acting all maniac. if we lose we lose, but let's lose trying, not doing this thing you're doing.

As someone who could be currently described as manic, this is an accurate assessment.

I am not spotted. Making me wonder if i need to re-eval or if the scum know i wont townlead...

Oh im limited access from Thursday, mostly phone posting so won't be able to wall it in. Ill be 180 miles from home with my bestie for a week

[Flea The Magician]

I am not angry. I am trying to win though, you're acting all maniac. if we lose we lose, but let's lose trying, not doing this thing you're doing.

As someone who could be currently described as manic, this is an accurate assessment.

I am not spotted. Making me wonder if i need to re-eval or if the scum know i wont townlead...

Oh im limited access from Thursday, mostly phone posting so won't be able to wall it in. Ill be 180 miles from home with my bestie for a week

really you think your reads might be off? flea...

the lack of urgency from flea and KJ is making me so suspicious of them.

if elements was town, how come she isn't the spotted?

What an utter pile of dung of a post.
If we rush, we screw it up.
It was also 3am and I was swingin in me hammock when i posted that. I didnt fancy tryin to read 8 pages of bickering and rubbish when i rose errly in the mornin. (That said its 11 and i just woke up)

The fact you go for "i wonder if i need to re-eval" over "i wonder scum know i wont town-lead" is amusing.
Cause the thing is, nobody can lead this town. Theres too much distrust, we have potentially 1 clear crewmate at this point and actually yes that person is who we should be paying attention to as its a town based lead.

As for elements, because a vanilla parity cop is weak af. Its not a threat. If theyre town, leave them be, sow some discord, its free elimination. If scum, she probably wont be found until massclaim or until she slips.

[Flea The Magician]

How is me voting you not a push? I'm not scum reading flea massively. STD I knew was flippibg town, the wagom was garbage and I pushed against it and got ignored. In fact, you can see my read progression on enchant and std about 'tone' and content in thread.

Everything you wrote is basically bullshit. I've not seen a push that has against me in ages.

I responded to your 'case' last day phase, action Dan. No response?

If it's just kj and eira and flea, everyone else needs to wake up: people who wouldn't give reads lists yesterday, people who wouldn't explain their hpe votes and noe three scum reads on Me in one page.

You know when you try and push someone, could you actually put some weight behind it?
were on D3, youve been hinting at yeeting me since D1 and your reasoning on passenger was godawful. If this was a less chaotic game (maybe with lesser big personalities) I suspect subtle jabs like yours would have been picked up on.

VOTE: Bella
You also seem to be wanting information from people endlessly while giving none of your own, constantly jabbing and throwing shade at people who are actually trying to work with you...
I hate gimlis posting, I'm still sl on KJ, but despite the clashing between me and KJ you think we're aligned? Yeah ok. Sure.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea has several ongoing issues including being awake a 3 am after a night playing games with friends and being non lucid.

Like screw me for 3am posting amirite.

And deadpan is your interpretation, i cant do deadpan to save my ass. We are burning through chances quickly here trust me when the brain allows me to, im feeling it.

Pedit: ... Are you actually awake? Have you been taking notes on peoples playstyles at all?
No poison claim means no poison claim. It means im not going to assume someone is poisoned. If Elements is poisoned then maybe she had the bright idea of be scummy af and be eliminated - that way the scum are forced into basically No-kill. They may not have good information.

[Flea The Magician]

Do you want me to pull up every single krakendamned possibility Gimli? Cause I will.

Side note nice attempt on the manipulation

[Flea The Magician]

'weak af'. I get that it's weak. but elements, if town, would be a good poison not only for antispew but it'd frame me beyond salvation this gameday. I know I'm town so I know elements is 100% the poison today. if she is not poisoned that means she is scum. I keep throwing that read away cause no one listens to me lol but maybe I'm right and elements is scum.

The only way you can 100% know, is if you are scum.
Just saying.

[Flea The Magician]

....how is me wanting people to share their reasoning a bad thing in mafia? Seriously? Are you and bbt being deliberately dense?

If it was a less chaotic game, people might actually consider I've been asking us to apply a tiny bit of critical thought to our elims and ....being scum read for it??

Passenger did so badly that someone fucking vigged him, so I'm not the only person with shit reasoning am I.

It's fine. All the crew have to work out how is which of the scum are leading this push. Feel like Bo Burnham.

Because youre not sharing your own, and when you do, like with passenger, it is weaker on the spicy scale than McDonalds ketchup.

Yes passenger got taken out, nobody claimed that shot. Passenger was actually also the counter wagon so we dont know the actual reason for that shot.
You generally shoot the counter wagon if you're going for a mechanically correct play.

I have tried to work with you, yet you are actively dismissive of anyone trying to do such. Im re-evaluating reads, so i wanna squeeze you and see what happens.

[Flea The Magician]

'weak af'. I get that it's weak. but elements, if town, would be a good poison not only for antispew but it'd frame me beyond salvation this gameday. I know I'm town so I know elements is 100% the poison today. if she is not poisoned that means she is scum. I keep throwing that read away cause no one listens to me lol but maybe I'm right and elements is scum.

I dont see how that would frame you either tbh.

[Flea The Magician]

I really think I am? What's not clear? Maybe ask me some questions instead of yelling at me and voting, weird way to work with people

I tried.
You answered.
There was no working with, it felt like it was 1 way. You say you work better when people are questioning you, so im turning up the heat.

And trust me, this aint yelling.

Give me good meaty reasoning on who we yeet today, and why.

[Flea The Magician]

@flea's 'idk how that frames you': I spent the entire day 2 painting myself with a clownface trying to explain to people why I think elly's claim is bullshit. nobody cared, which is whatever I guess, maybe I am wrong maybe I am a clown, but if elly comes to this gameday as a spewed town I'm toast. this is a read I can make, you can't make it, cause you're not me, and you don't know I'm town if you're town. but scum knows I'm town, and it's an easy d3 miselim by elements' hands. they'd just control a simple narrative unless elly started townreading me which I'm sure she would never if she is town.

Seems too obvious a frame to me ngl. And i cared, between the chaos around me Out of game i didnt get much chance to interact and respond to that.

[Flea The Magician]

also lets go back to the fact that mala has done nothing all game. are we sure about this miller claim? would mala be alive if it wasn't for the miller claim?

Going to other posts later. Mala needs to be resolved sooner rather than later imo.
Either properly sorted or just yeet. If we're going just yeet, we need to be sure were not MELO/YOLO when we do.



Quickly touching on InactionDan, absolutely needs to pick up from memory.

[Flea The Magician]

Mala hasn't been on town elims. You may be a bit biased since she has vote parked you in this regard.

And it is true we as a collective town are best served scrutinizing those who have been on town Elims first. After rereading HPE as they were being voted I really could not find anything scummy about except maybe a tad bit of an impertinent attitude. We really ought to evaluate how that came about

Technically everyone then.

[Flea The Magician]

Also I did redirect to passenger, lol, but he would've died at day end if it was my target, Ans they did target Titus, so passenger was just a vig shot?

You know I was going to read through before commenting... This stinks hard.
The early and absolutely unprompted claim, claiming redirection on Passenger and ActionDan who has been spotted...
I'm going to continue reading, my read of you is in the gutter with Eiras.

[Flea The Magician]

Also I did redirect to passenger, lol, but he would've died at day end if it was my target, Ans they did target Titus, so passenger was just a vig shot?

You know I was going to read through before commenting... This stinks hard.
The early and absolutely unprompted claim, claiming redirection on Passenger and ActionDan who has been spotted...
I'm going to continue reading, my read of you is in the gutter with Eiras.

VOTE: flea

Hate the notifications appearing as I'm reading up.

Do tell?

[Flea The Magician]

Well I see from the quotes the game has already decended and I'm in a foul mood.
Lets see what my mania episode can do in here to kick several rounds of ass.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm just gonna go ahead and nip this in the bud.

I'm the Vig, I killed Passenger. Anyone wanna CC that? Didn't think so.

I'm shooting KJ tonight.

Beautiful, Bellas claim buys them nothing. BBT gets townpoints unless CC'd

[Flea The Magician]

Also I did redirect to passenger, lol, but he would've died at day end if it was my target, Ans they did target Titus, so passenger was just a vig shot?

You know I was going to read through before commenting... This stinks hard.
The early and absolutely unprompted claim, claiming redirection on Passenger and ActionDan who has been spotted...
I'm going to continue reading, my read of you is in the gutter with Eiras.

VOTE: flea

that's a good knee-jerk, I've felt Flea has a high probability of being scum (Killing Joke/Elements/Flea the Magician/?) but as of now, meh.

I like the gutter.

For someone who's play is more chaotic than my entire existance, elaborate.
Also do me the favour and elaborate on the team containing me and and KJ? Given I'm just ignoring that slot as every interaction there is getting heated. (Until today apparently, need to double check something)

[Flea The Magician]

Also I did redirect to passenger, lol, but he would've died at day end if it was my target, Ans they did target Titus, so passenger was just a vig shot?

You know I was going to read through before commenting... This stinks hard.
The early and absolutely unprompted claim, claiming redirection on Passenger and ActionDan who has been spotted...
I'm going to continue reading, my read of you is in the gutter with Eiras.

VOTE: flea

Hate the notifications appearing as I'm reading up.

Do tell?

your reaction there feels like mafia. it is not early for any claim, it can help us solve d3, and etc.

The only helpful claims rn are hard guilties or if you're willing to skewer yourself hard clears on a town wagon, I need to check numbers and get some spec information sorted, today may well be spicier than my brain right now from what I've read.

[Flea The Magician]

Why would I be lying here, flea?

Elements has you as PR apparently, and the best way to play mafia is to tell the truth as much as is possible.

You're not lying, but your role is freaking weird, a deflector/self-targeting redirector is insanely strong if you are town, that makes you basically bulletproof townie which is nuts.
Unless you're a Coward of some sort and are in actual fact able to hard clear your targets which makes the claim actually good.

This makes you either strong enough to the point the mafia need some serious PR Power, or a dodgy investigative.
UNVOTE: Bella
I'm going to come back to you when the storms o'er my head have waned.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea really believes scum would target Dan over me? Yeah, nah. Fear position on me has been bad since day start.

Reminder: if scum targetted me, they need me elimed so I can't fuck with them again.

So you're saying that killer scumbutt me knew the poison had gone walkies at day start, before the claim?

[Flea The Magician]

Flea, I'm assuming you're a Loyal Sailor then? Or have you already confirmed Elements' result?

I will confirm Elements result, I am a Loyal Sailor

[Flea The Magician]

I thought flea was town before today tbf but the whole day has been kinda shit from fae.

Almost like when I'm in a compromised mind state my play shifts.
It's wonderful being mentally messed up and playing mafia, nobody can get a grip on my "meta"
Especially given I'm basically The Ultimate Hydra[tm]<sup>1


1</sup> For those of ya'll unfamiliar with us, we're a OSDD system. There's Flea/A, M, D and S who play regular, R and N join occasionally. Flea/A is the one who does most of the games. ~M

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly I'm half tempted to no-lim here.

I need to check numbers, this is actually viable.

[Flea The Magician]

Also I did redirect to passenger, lol, but he would've died at day end if it was my target, Ans they did target Titus, so passenger was just a vig shot?

You know I was going to read through before commenting... This stinks hard.
The early and absolutely unprompted claim, claiming redirection on Passenger and ActionDan who has been spotted...
I'm going to continue reading, my read of you is in the gutter with Eiras.

VOTE: flea

that's a good knee-jerk, I've felt Flea has a high probability of being scum (Killing Joke/Elements/Flea the Magician/?) but as of now, meh.

I like the gutter.

For someone who's play is more chaotic than my entire existance, elaborate.
Also do me the favour and elaborate on the team containing me and and KJ? Given I'm just ignoring that slot as every interaction there is getting heated. (Until today apparently, need to double check something)

@Flea what is your current read on me?

I've genuinely ignored you. Joker condemned you D1, Harley added some nails to the coffin.
D2 i tried, it got spicy, I backed off.
Annoyingly now I need to try and read you without my brain spicy and game spicy getting in the way.

[Flea The Magician]

Why would I be lying here, flea?

Elements has you as PR apparently, and the best way to play mafia is to tell the truth as much as is possible.

You're not lying, but your role is freaking weird, a deflector/self-targeting redirector is insanely strong if you are town, that makes you basically bulletproof townie which is nuts.
Unless you're a Coward of some sort and are in actual fact able to hard clear your targets which makes the claim actually good.

This makes you either strong enough to the point the mafia need some serious PR Power, or a dodgy investigative.
UNVOTE: Bella
I'm going to come back to you when the storms o'er my head have waned.

Elements, from what I saw, compared YOU and BBT.


AAAAAAh.

What?

I'm gone. Below decks. What?

Sleep sweet Eira.

Was it me and BBT? Will have to check that, I've skimmed my catchup ngl.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm just gonna go ahead and nip this in the bud.

I'm the Vig, I killed Passenger. Anyone wanna CC that? Didn't think so.

I'm shooting KJ tonight.

This makes Flea vanilla

Yep my bad.

Guess I'm tunnelled.

Aight next one is mech spec...

[Flea The Magician]

Someone confirm the number of claimed PRs we have? Is it 3 or 4?

pedit - Eh there is that, means town don't get the IC for the day.

[Flea The Magician]

Also I did redirect to passenger, lol, but he would've died at day end if it was my target, Ans they did target Titus, so passenger was just a vig shot?

You know I was going to read through before commenting... This stinks hard.
The early and absolutely unprompted claim, claiming redirection on Passenger and ActionDan who has been spotted...
I'm going to continue reading, my read of you is in the gutter with Eiras.

VOTE: flea

that's a good knee-jerk, I've felt Flea has a high probability of being scum (Killing Joke/Elements/Flea the Magician/?) but as of now, meh.

I like the gutter.

For someone who's play is more chaotic than my entire existance, elaborate.
Also do me the favour and elaborate on the team containing me and and KJ? Given I'm just ignoring that slot as every interaction there is getting heated. (Until today apparently, need to double check something)

@Flea what is your current read on me?

I've genuinely ignored you. Joker condemned you D1, Harley added some nails to the coffin.
D2 i tried, it got spicy, I backed off.
Annoyingly now I need to try and read you without my brain spicy and game spicy getting in the way.

And what are you going to say after we flip loyal crew? Not sure I like this, maybe you could be scum?

Elements claimed vanilla parity cop, they can’t confirm you loyal sailor. As Gimli pointed out, Elements can either get a “same” or “not same” result.

So if they checked both you and BBT - him claiming vig and you vt, it would be “not the same” not he’s a tpr and you’re vt but I’ve thought he was very obviously town based both on LOST and DoP by play but don’t like that you’re not even trying to solve me. You haven’t made any effort to solve our slot, BBT actually has. Unfortunately he’s just really bad at it but I’d expect you to know better, so taking you out of my townblock.

If you look at the quote I put above, Elements checked me and BBT and got "not same". My vanilla is harder than yours, assuming Elements is telling the truth.
It makes me a loyal sailor or whatever the mutineer goon equivalent is here.
no matter what though, I'm always going to claim Loyal Sailor here even if I am the goon because why would I out? You know me better than that Nancy.

I've made "no effort" to solve you because I cant, because we clash and I don't want that strain on the game again, and we've already both got something to learn from this. So I have been actively ignoring you. Once I've got this mech down you will once again become the priority. I dislike Frogs vanished, I have noticed in the bits I've read apparently he found the loose bolt for his wooden parrot and stopped throwing the toys overboard. I also know you're a strong player so I genuinely need to sit and talk with you at some point to make that sorting effort. I also need you - when this happens - to not throw link after link after link at me because I will just lockvote you. You know I don't go meta hunting, you know I struggle reading emotion in games that aren't the current one - hell I can't even remember the emotions fully from D1 at this point, and all you'll do is overwhelm me.

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly surprised I was even in your townblock, which honestly makes it not a townblock tbh but eh.

[Flea The Magician]

Some of guys have really bad takes. I'll attribute it to shock.

All the PRs I believe. Although I would be a bit cautious with Bellas since that's quite strong to have a superior BP (of we had follower/watcher combo)

Still at work, then trivia then home

This... ok amma hold my wall back.

What about if someone else claims a PR or a PR flips who isn't claimed?

[TL;DR - there's too many freaking variables to work out - there's an edge case for today being YOLO - and 3 of 11 cases for tomorrow being YOLO depending on flips]

[Flea The Magician]

I'm just gonna go ahead and nip this in the bud.

I'm the Vig, I killed Passenger. Anyone wanna CC that? Didn't think so.

I'm shooting KJ tonight.

Congrats on another town kill in that case. My opinion on your entire inability to read me stays. You should actually listen to people who can like Mala and Bella but you don’t fucking ever learn anything looks like - based on both LOST and DoP and I don’t have faith in that changing,

I’m semi-sympathetic but you (as in, your slot) haven’t caught any scum atp

And who, pray tell oh radioactive shiny bean, has caught scum?

[Flea The Magician]

Given Wayward was on StD and you were on HPE as well, wanna rethink this one a bit?

[Flea The Magician]

Thats valid, you did manage to dodge a prod though so "game advancing content" was presumably made.

[Flea The Magician]

Does seem very must "just" on the missing prods, there is a couple 2 day gaps having a closer look at timestamps on ISO... I've gone digging for the "game advancing content". I know you wouldn't pull this just to get out of things, brain is an ass and I am paranoid -.-;

I'm not gunna comment more, because I know I'm in spicy brain and I know I get bad when I'm unwell by any means. Hope you're better soon <3

[Flea The Magician]

In fact you know something fuck it, I hate myself for this, but while you're ill you're not inactive in game.

You're clearly reading and responding to things, your worse days start with "i'll make a reads list" and continue with "I'd kill frog" and some admittedly short pointed answers, but you're active.

[Flea The Magician]

2.16

Votecount 2.16 (Final)

HighPrincessErinys (8):

Titus, Gamma Emerald, BlueBloodedToffee, Gimli, Elements, Radical Rat, Flea The Magician, Killing Joke.

Gimli (1):

Malakittens.

Bellaphant (1):

ActionDan.

Killing Joke (1):

Eiralox.

Malakittens (1):

HighPrincessErinys.

ActionDan (1):

Bellaphant.

Not Voting (1):

Enchant.

With 14 players alive, it took 8 to eliminate someone.

Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO
  
• Gimli, Bellaphant, Gamma Emerald and Titus are on V/LA

I guess I can't exactly say I was too sick to function atp, but I still was not confident on HPE flipping scum, nowhere near the amount KJ was pushing it

Apparently I'm just farting into the wind...

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: *Sighs in fart*

Given Wayward was on StD and you were on HPE as well, wanna rethink this one a bit?

I would have unvoted if I wasn’t too sick to function.

Thats valid, you did manage to dodge a prod though so "game advancing content" was presumably made.

Does seem very must "just" on the missing prods, there is a couple 2 day gaps having a closer look at timestamps on ISO... I've gone digging for the "game advancing content". I know you wouldn't pull this just to get out of things, brain is an ass and I am paranoid -.-;

I'm not gunna comment more, because I know I'm in spicy brain and I know I get bad when I'm unwell by any means. Hope you're better soon <3

In fact you know something fuck it, I hate myself for this, but while you're ill you're not inactive in game.

You're clearly reading and responding to things, your worse days start with "i'll make a reads list" and continue with "I'd kill frog" and some admittedly short pointed answers, but you're active.

[Flea The Magician]

Tbf KJ's got this better than I have at this point, I'm going to my hammock.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: *Sighs in fart*

Given Wayward was on StD and you were on HPE as well, wanna rethink this one a bit?

I would have unvoted if I wasn’t too sick to function.

Thats valid, you did manage to dodge a prod though so "game advancing content" was presumably made.

Does seem very must "just" on the missing prods, there is a couple 2 day gaps having a closer look at timestamps on ISO... I've gone digging for the "game advancing content". I know you wouldn't pull this just to get out of things, brain is an ass and I am paranoid -.-;

I'm not gunna comment more, because I know I'm in spicy brain and I know I get bad when I'm unwell by any means. Hope you're better soon <3

In fact you know something fuck it, I hate myself for this, but while you're ill you're not inactive in game.

You're clearly reading and responding to things, your worse days start with "i'll make a reads list" and continue with "I'd kill frog" and some admittedly short pointed answers, but you're active.

Tbf KJ's got this better than I have at this point, I'm going to my hammock.

KJ is at least communicating more effectively but neither of you are fucking listening at this point.
I had assumed KJ went through with the early D2 push they had on HPE. I see now that I was wrong. To continue trying to make things about it is a scumclaim imo.

*snores, farts and falls out the hammock*

You missed the point first time, this time im pointing out the evasion. Yes you owned up to it, be that's fair, not going to push that.
Accusing me of not listening when you've evaded is frankly hilarious, almost as hilarious as your "i would have unvoted if i was able".

Anyway. Bad take aside, let's see what else awaits mine eyes

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: gamma emerald
let's just get this shit over with then

Sweet merciful Krakens what is with this game and self voting?!

[Flea The Magician]

My exact point. I think Titus caught scum Elements off guard. They used KJ claim to then craft a role, similarish enough to Lookout to maybe make sense.

Then elements says dan vanilla. Dan immrdiately claims Spot, and then Bella says they poisoned Dan.

So if/when Dan flips goon, Elements looks good.

Same with Flea. Can be a goon.Elements only gave Flea result after you claimed. Flea thought Elements checked Bella and Dan, not u and Dan.

I'm tired shouting that Elements is scum.

They're so obvious.

Frankly, I think I don't care anymore.

I'm breaking from this for a bit.

Elements claimed result on me before i even claimed, do you think me and elements are aligned or that she just got lucky given the current 5 VTs?

[Flea The Magician]

VT Claims anyway, before someone comes and status that one -.-;

never known such a volitile and incohesive town...

[Flea The Magician]

Didnt save dan, if haz spot. But scum dan claiming means scum canz get miselim.

Tldr role fake, get woke.

Eira gone

If youre coming at me, come at me.
You are literally dancing around me like scum players do who dont know me, who think im mislimbait then realise when my brain actually operates as it should that theyre in the doo-doo

[Flea The Magician]

Why did it quote that one.

I hate phone posting...

[Flea The Magician]

Also apparently im talking from my arse as when im asking people things or trying to engage apparently all im saying

PHFBFBFBFFFPTPBFTPDBPDPPPFTPPBPBPBTFFFTBTF

Like i get im manic but ignored 3 times in one night...

Fuck it doing my mech post which is saved cause Dan aint going to respond to what ive asked either way.

[Flea The Magician]

Mech Time with Deckhand Flea

"EUUUGH FLEAS SCUM ITS JUST IIOA "- yes, yes it is IIOA and that's because we might be closer to endgame that people are realising and this could be spicy. So as I said when I woke up in me hammock, we can't rush this. Also ADHD brain got fixated.

Side note, Moondance by Nightwish is just hitting the spot perfectly at the moment...

Basic information

12 in game currently, no red flips.
Game had 16 and half the crew are PRs.
5 mutineers means 11 crew, 5 TPRs max.
4 mutineers means 12 crew, 6 TPRs max.

Current state

We have 4 dead sailors including our lookout.

(5:7) 5 Mutineers vs Minimum 3 Loyal Sailors and upto 4 Officers.
(4:8) 4 Mutineers vs Minimum 3 Loyal Sailors and upto 5 Officers.

According to Eira's in 2229, we have 5 VT claims.
I'll let you work that one out, assuming we're all legit loyal sailors, any more PR claims are suspect, if there's 5 Mutineers they're already suspect.

Tonight

Going into tonight means...

Both Red

: 3 against 7 OR 2 against 8

One green

,

One Red

:

4 against 6

OR 3 against 7

Both Green

:

5 against 5

OR

4 against 6

.

This isn't even counting BBT's shot.
If BBT Holsters we go into D4 with 10 in game, 5 to yeet.
Opening D4 with the shot...

FYAHDACANOONS!

BBT shooting means we're 9 in D4 and still 5 to yeet.

Both Red

,

Green Shot

: 3 against 6 OR 2 against 7

Both Red

,

Red Shot

: 2 against 7 OR 1 against 8

One Green

One Red

,

Green Shot

:

4 against 5

OR 3 against 6.

One Green

One Red

,

Red Shot

: 3 against 6 OR 2 against 7.

Both Green

,

Green Shot

:

5 against 4

OR

4 against 5

.

Both Green

,

Red Shot

:

4 against 5

OR 3 against 6.

Marooned!

Entertain a no-lim and holster.. why not.

Begone ye dirty dawg

We're either 4:7 or 3:8 with a potential IC to lead us.

Oops, too much grog!

We're either 5:6 or 4:7.

Why I can see us Marooning someone and introducing someone else to the miracle of black powder...

What I suspect the end of D4 is going to look like.

We can assume scum won't target Bella, so we're getting a green go bye bye regardless.

Both Red

,

Green Shot

: 3 against 6 OR 2 against 7

Yeet Red

: 2 against 5 OR 1 against 6

Yeet Green

:

3 against 4

OR 2 against 5

Both Red

,

Red Shot

: 2 against 7 OR 1 against 8

Yeet Red

: 1 against 6 OR

0 against 7

Yeet Green

: 2 against 5 OR 1 against 6

One Green

One Red

,

Green Shot

:

4 against 5

OR 3 against 6.

Yeet Red

:

3 against 4

OR 2 against 5

Yeet Green

:

4 against 3

, or

3 against 4

One Green

One Red

,

Red Shot

: 3 against 6 OR 2 against 7.

Yeet Red

: 2 against 5 OR 1 against 6

Yeet Green

: 3 against 5 OR 2 against 4

Both Green

,

Green Shot

:

5 against 4

OR

4 against 5.

Yeet Red

: N/a OR

3 against 4

Yeet Green

: N/a OR

4 against 3

Both Green

,

Red Shot

:

4 against 5

OR 3 against 6.

Yeet Red

:

3 against 4

OR 2 against 5

Yeet Green

:

4 against 3

OR

3 against 4

Thinking... and TLDR

EUUUUGH.
Anyway, no Elimination is not an option.
Regardless of what flips, BBT shoots tonight and that either puts us in YOLO or keeps us out of it.

And past me, thats because that's the best idea tbh.

[Flea The Magician]

Et viola, the result of me braining last night trying to work out numbers, getting fixated on mech, getting distracted by various music thing.

We yeet.

Honestly, Id take out Eira at this point.
Need to look over Elements, the claims power seems off given the two that have claimed, but my mania has woken up as well and it's the rage god complex mania today so amma back off for a bit.

[Flea The Magician]

Sorry, I might be being bad at maths, but what if we no lim but bbt shoots

Then its the first section as its 2 gone.

[Flea The Magician]

It's fucking unreadeble

Nice of you to join us.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea found the console and entered iddqd

Flea thinks youre actually just full of it.

Flea thinks you should make an actual effort if you're going to push faer instead of side commenting.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea understands you may have suspicious, flea is used to this.

Flea is also manic, and will take every fight coming.
Nobody likes Mania Flea.

So instead of memeing maybe put something together. This is D3, im sick of half arsed "oh but flea!!" *Hand waves*.

Unless youre a Nightingale, then sing little burdy.

Best thing is, everyone hates when I go manic because "i dont like how you reacted". Its why I stopped playing for a bit cause it pissed me off, which is admittedly easy to do when manic but still. Mania fucks with your reactions and perceptions, especially when youre feeling slighted.

[Flea The Magician]

if it takes you acting maniacal in the thread for me to townread whatever it is that you're doing flea, then I'll take it personally but ofc it's up to you.

your work looks like scum filler and fakesolving to me, I know you worked hard on it but it doesn't even help much. I should be more sympathetic to it if you're town but this is how I'm feeling.

I'm also seeing wolves everywhere except for bella/bbt now so it is what it is.

Almost like i saw this coming and addressed it. Before i even started.

Yes it does nothing, its mech and shit mech at best because we have too many variables.
That post isnt even solving, its me working out game position out loud and seeing how far off YOLO we are, which is entirely NAI.

So, ya know... Do whatever you want with it.
I wanna hit scum today, then maybe I can look at D2 and D3 positioning and make some sort of attempt at VCA.

Oh and nobody town reads me when im manic, because "knee jerk" and "extreme" reactions.
Lovely reminder why i stopped playing for several months.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh and ftr Im SRing Enchant because hes literally lurking the game out, and Ive caught him like this before.

I dont do meta cases, and theres nothing here I can actually touch. So I cant touch him. Plus its been a while and my player knowledge is out of date.

[Flea The Magician]

Thats in response to some Gimli BS hes spouting btw

[Flea The Magician]

you say 'the double soft inno' one more time, nancy, and you're gonna be perpetually in my solve

Actually going to second this.

[Flea The Magician]

you say 'the double soft inno' one more time, nancy, and you're gonna be perpetually in my solve

And until the end of fucking time, I’m never ever going to let you forget it and that’s a guaranteed promise! because you’re actually borderline almost game throwing by completely ignoring this. You’re doing that because you’re not fucking trying to find who or why Titus was poisoned, so you know what, I don’t really gaf about your threats, there’s absolutely no excuse for you to be just sticking your head in the sand and ignoring that, so until you do better, just stop because It’s just so ridiculously hypocritical of you and I’m saying this because I like you and know you’re being lazy here, not in effort but in solving. Too many people are being lazy here and that’s the result we’re probably going to lose this game and you can bite me!

Care to table anything yourself Nancy?
N1 Titus is probably low info. She relatively inactive and would give nothing away as IC. As for who? Could be anyone with the sole exception of you. Because you have N1 killclear. Not an Inno, a killclear, in a game with multitasking scum.

[Flea The Magician]

Someone tell me why Rat is scum again?

[Flea The Magician]

Why can't you click a quoted post to go back to it anymore?

So frustrating

Press the teeny tiny little arrow next to it.

[Flea The Magician]

Someone tell me why Rat is scum again?

I'm sure he is scum because of the following: this is the first gameday since d1 where town is coming together and creating a towncore. that's bella, bbt, AD. of course I'm pushing the game in the direction of those players, because their claims are all strong and we have all reason to be working together with them.

RR notices that and starts shading AD with bullshit mechanical reason. because he is scum, he doesn't want to lose, so he does that. I saw it, I felt it, RR is scum.

Bullshit mechanical reason isnt bullshit.
Its valid.
InactionDan cannot be cleared today and genuinely hasnt done enough through the game to be towncore.
BBT has been in the game and reasonably active, i still dislike Bella and thats a powerful claim but happy to leave them be because of the claim currently.

Like im not seeing scumrat here at all

[Flea The Magician]

@Harley

I think it might be better to approach it from another angle. Why WOULDN'T Titus have been targeted? She's a well-known player with a reputation for being strong Town.

Probably most people here would put her on a priority D1 kill list, I know I would. But who wouldn't have killed her? And is that strong enough to remove them from a PoE?


These aren't leading questions, I have no idea about any of the interpersonal dynamics of other people on this site, but for someone who does have an idea on those things, pursuing that angle may prove more fruitful

But I ISO’d her to try to hopefully figure out why but I couldn’t find any evidence that she pr softed, so if anyone did, tell me. Gimli and Eira can sr me for this all they like but

I’m never going to stop saying that we we’re double soft inno’d

and therefore couldn’t have killed Titus and I don’t see how anyone who thinks logically wouldn’t think that if we were a goon, we wouldn’t have been the one to do it, so fucking yes. the fact that we are confirmed vanilla who didn’t visit Titus very strongly points to us being vt, which is what I truthfully claimed. We had an immediate wagon on us d2 after STD flip and I told Joker I was expecting that to happen. And if it weren’t probably literally for Titus checking us, I have no doubt we would have been the d2 miselim, guaranteed.

VOTE: KJ
Vote parking for a bit.

[Flea The Magician]

Im 6 pages behind and my mania has plateau'd, give me catch up time.

[Flea The Magician]

elements isn't lying about the cop checks, she'd never misplay scum this badly. how can eiralox still think that? it's funny.

it's like elements can be scum and there's nothing in her claim that makes her not scum and her role is a scummy role BUT, the cop checks are valid as far as some basic mafia playing goes.

Yes and once again - because I almost want to put this in all caps because you continue to ignore it - if you believe we’re vanilla, why would you not think we’d be the most logical choice if goon to kill Titus? I just can’t shake the feeling that you maybe really want us to be scum and don’t care about all of the reasons pointing against it.

I really do not want to litigate this for 500 pages, but you are wrong on this point. There could be multiple goons. There could be a scum role that incentivizes performing the kill. Scum could have just straight up misplayed.

I get that being scumread is frustrating for you. But this isn't helping

Given the PRs we have, scum has some serious power and theres unlikely to be much beyond a token goon, if any.

4 known PRs, role/vanilla parity cop, combined tracker/watcher, self deflector, and a vig. 5 if we include the Miller claim.

Thats BEEFY. Id be expecting them to have some equally beefy power and honestly wouldnt be surprised for them to have some equally beefy BS, yes 3 of those 4 have potential against town, but still. I wouldnt be surprised if someone was the cargo keeper and ran around in a barrel as a Ninja or something.

[Flea The Magician]

that's also why elly and KJ are never scum together and one flipping scum clears the other

to be clear, elements is either a town parity cop or a scum parity cop. she did visit KJ to know their role and paired KJ with AD. she got a 'same'. KJ claimed VT very early. elements said 'yeah i think they goon mebbe but the other is vt'. the other is AD, who we now know is in fact a vt.

so since she is a parity cop, she wouldn't parity her scumbuddy with someone else, but two townies. that means her action spews KJ town if she is scum. and the other way around.

I actually disagree here. At least for a first check, if I'm scum parity cop and not just a normal rolecop, I'm checking one partner and one Town N1, so that I have a known reference point to work from.

We don’t actually don’t know what Dan will flip because Bella was the original target. Dan of course could still be town but he wasn’t directly targeted like Titus was.

We dont know if Bella was the target, we know it was bella or dan.

Cant see it being dan personally but also cant understand it being bella either.

Honestly i figured me or you wouldve had it by now, and ngl if i didnt know better that seems potentially a slip.

[Flea The Magician]

why is gamma self voting

It’s nia for her but she just gets really pissed if she’s wrongly pushed and I really haven’t seen that from her, so getting super pissed + a self-vote I would probably read as town indicative but instead she just seemed to be looking at anything that might stick to push me.

is your read on gamma solely based on how she is treating your slot?

No, it’s also based on her really not doing much of anything and the way she reacted to Joker’s vote. Town!Gamma gets pissed, scum!Gamma tries to manipulate and it looks like she was trying to push us with reasons she didn’t really believe.

All she literally had to say to us was that she tried/wanted to make a readslist but was too sick to do it but then Flea has claimed numerous times to feeling unwell, yet despite that fae have seen really invested.

So self-voting is nia, it depends on what comes before or after it that’s telling. And if town, Gamma would also make reads. In Anything uPick. she was in antispew so didn’t.

For further information on my health, check my GTKAS! Link in the signature below....

#MentalHealthMatters

[Flea The Magician]

Also comparing Gammas ill health to mine is a bit of a shady move, im just perpetually ill honestly and it flares.

Like I am currently Manic, meaning my mood is everywhere all of the time and I will 720 noscope people - Its good and bad, messes my meta up excellently so people actually have to take me as I am.
Im also on the goood (3 o) painkillers at the moment as I battle a pain flare. This is day to day stuff for me. That said im taking the gooood painkillers with me tomorrow while yeeting across the country... </Tangent>

Might not be for Gamma. Gamma was active at the time she was ill, which blows her "i would if i could function" excuse out of the water.

[Flea The Magician]

Amazing how Gimli doesn't want to flip Elements, really. I feel a fool for ever trusting them. Sorry Fenrir.

Not-Eiralox has shit to deal with. Maybe I'll case in a day, two, I don't know. Isolate and explain. It isn't the best thing for crew right now, the best would be me SHOWING why I know I'm right, but it is what it is. I'm leaving things right here for now:

I stand by my solve of Elements/ActionDan/Flea The Magician/Gimli.

I'm not even gonna try and sort Killing Joke at this point, I've felt them as town but them being a traitor.... instead of, say, Radical Rat, as Joker averred, must feature in my mind. Has to be there. But as mentioned earlier, not my main concern as of now.

See:

Gimli knew Dan had the Black Spot. Pretty blatant at this point. Gimli not believing either me or Enchant having the spot, coming in with: Let's trust and follow the spotted today, shows I'm right.

Flea didn't approach my solve, rather went for ad hominens and deflection despite me saying I need to be calm about this, despite me not voting them and rather pushing Elements?

Elements I'm not even gonna talk about anymore. I think I've spilled my guts enough already.

I like Gamma for being willing to vote Elements

This is where my mind's at.

See for yourselves, don't, it's moot in my eyes: Even if ya'll make a mistake today I'm very confident Dan will flip red, Toffee will know what to do and crew will be in a better position than I surmised we would be at day start.

I will explain myself, I will prove this, but right now Not-Eiralox has priorities.


Good Luck!

Re me
Wut? Where?

[Flea The Magician]

Town - BBT, KJ, Gamma, Dan
Bella
Null - RR, Mala
Enchant
Scum - Gimli, Eira, Flea

That a solve?
Cause thats hilarious if it is.

... Guess i fell off my plateau.

[Flea The Magician]

you say 'the double soft inno' one more time, nancy, and you're gonna be perpetually in my solve

And until the end of fucking time, I’m never ever going to let you forget it and that’s a guaranteed promise! because you’re actually borderline almost game throwing by completely ignoring this. You’re doing that because you’re not fucking trying to find who or why Titus was poisoned, so you know what, I don’t really gaf about your threats, there’s absolutely no excuse for you to be just sticking your head in the sand and ignoring that, so until you do better, just stop because It’s just so ridiculously hypocritical of you and I’m saying this because I like you and know you’re being lazy here, not in effort but in solving. Too many people are being lazy here and that’s the result we’re probably going to lose this game and you can bite me!

Care to table anything yourself Nancy?
N1 Titus is probably low info. She relatively inactive and would give nothing away as IC. As for who? Could be anyone with the sole exception of you. Because you have N1 killclear. Not an Inno, a killclear, in a game with multitasking scum.

Being tracked to no one does not function as a clear
I consider being tracked to not-the-kill more of a clear as that means you have a non-killing role

It functions as KJ did not kill.
Or are a ninja, which would be a PR
Which theyre not according to elements.

They are kill clear vanilla afaik. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea - The only thing I can remember Flea doing this game is 2423 which is nai at best and scum trying to look busy by doing stuff that is useful to town at worst. Nothing else has stuck out to me about faer or faer posts.

You even read anything ive put?

Sweet krakens below are you even in this game?

[Flea The Magician]

Flea - The only thing I can remember Flea doing this game is 2423 which is nai at best and scum trying to look busy by doing stuff that is useful to town at worst. Nothing else has stuck out to me about faer or faer posts.

she literally just grabbed whatever was the last big thing flea did and said 'this is the only thing

he

did and its nai'

we've been playing this for weeks and this is all she has to say about flea.

Ew.

[Flea The Magician]

Parity cop not super strong, vig can be neg utility and miller is miller.

I don't think it actually looks that strong?

Vig in the right hands is godlike and BBT is right hands.
Miller is neg town utility. It sucks, but ya know.
Role parity is weak imo, scum uses their own as a baseline to start. Or wings it on kills.
Nk immune is the big one there imo, and combined tracker watcher which can hard guilty someone.

[Flea The Magician]

...hang on flea, you were berating me for the push of passengers but bbt shooting him is 'god like '??

ignoring the twisting of what I'm saying, in that BBT is another player whose game I have respect for and in that me berating you for pushing passenger. I've said your reasoning was godawful because it was.

And heres the reminder...

@flea, hi! I felt like you pooh-ed my 'passengrr is copying my wording ' thing when my focus was on how weird it was that they kept talking about me when a lot of other people are/were ignoring me. For example, kj still hasn't engaged with my asking why they ifnoredtmy comments about the wagon: a chat I also had towards the end of day with elements that didn't go anywhere.

I feel like day one was overrun by scum: we ran up two town! And I felt like you were fairly noisy, but maybe it's just that kj was really noisy.

I can't work out if my reads are shit or I'm just sad. I think eiras town.

That was not what was presented to me at the time.
What you said to me at the time was Passengers language use was eerily similar to yours and thats the part I focused on at the time.

Spoiler: References

@joker, I'm slightly more aggressive as scum: see the lack of confidence.
@flea, I said 'i scum read X and y for tone but for very different eeasons' and then like three posts later passenger almost literally uses the same language. It's weird, right?

I'm scum reading std (and frog a little bit) for tone but for very different reasons.

@bbt I don't feel qualified to sort the two leading wagons day one and I think hpe is Tien. Chucking a vote on enchant or elements isn't great, so I'm not voting rn.

You know something

VOTE: Killing Joke

The level of reach in your posts is honestly disgusting.
We're 2 days in, you're literally throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks and accepting nothing in return. I tried to be nice, but its clear that The Joker is always going to be scum.

Flea is scum here. *cries*


STD scumposted when he made that post with if we PROVE we’re town to him, he’ll TRY o read us but anyone who knows how to read me correctly can tell I’m town here and Flea knows I can never be scum here, so yeaah I tr faer for paranoia on our slot but complete inability to correctly read me, Joker might be right then.

ANYONE SOLELY FOCUSED On JOKER’S POSTS And IGNORING MINE ARE PLAYING VERY BADLY And Are The MOST LIKELY To Be SCUM PUSHING US

.

~Harley

I also scumread Flea for those posts but for likely different and weaker reasons.

This caught my eye because it felt like it was mirroring my language.

There's a reason I call you manipulative

It's fucking weird that Std has been the main wagon all day phase. I think it's anti town not to question that. Day one spats are often t v t, no?

Std is 'scummy' for reasons around tone and 'theatre'.
Passenger is scummy for a lack of content, really boring reads and no progresion.

Mostly, but I'm happier with a passenger elim, specifically because I feel his approach to me specifically is weird: he talks about his read on me a lot, and I'm not the most interesting person in the thread by miles, plus the language copying.
The hpe wagon was worse.

STD has the leading wagon since Thursday.

The conclusion was yes it was similar, but not out of character and given the basic construction and mannerisms honestly its similar to a lot of people in this game. I did find Passenger suspect for other reasons as well, seemingly hidden motivations and being evasive/ignoring questions. You made no mention of his approach to you at all at the time we interacted.

As the vigilante, shooting the counterwagon is always the correct play.

[Flea The Magician]

Eira whatever the fuck that is or meant to be, idgaf and I'm not reading it.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Eiralox Lets go, I've been unable to read this swabbie all game, never got past more than a lean towards crew and despite various freaking efforts I genuinely get the feeling we're all just banging our heads on the wall at this point with them.

[Flea The Magician]

Just quoting posts does nothing, it shows nothing, it shows no process, no thought and no motivation. It shows the magpie brain of "SHINY!" at best.

I don't just want bones in my broth, I want the meat as well.

[Flea The Magician]

Also comparing Gammas ill health to mine is a bit of a shady move, im just perpetually ill honestly and it flares.

Like I am currently Manic, meaning my mood is everywhere all of the time and I will 720 noscope people - Its good and bad, messes my meta up excellently so people actually have to take me as I am.
Im also on the goood (3 o) painkillers at the moment as I battle a pain flare. This is day to day stuff for me. That said im taking the gooood painkillers with me tomorrow while yeeting across the country... </Tangent>

Might not be for Gamma. Gamma was active at the time she was ill, which blows her "i would if i could function" excuse out of the water.

Can we change up the wording here unless your intent is to shade me here?

Absolutely not. I said what I said and my shade has already been cast, you ignored it twice.

My intent is actually saying "yo don't compare peoples illnesses. If you want to poke at Gamma for when she was ill, she was active when she claimed unable to function which blows her reasoning for being on the HPE wagon (she would if she was functional) out of the water as she's clearly active within the game for all barring a 40-50 hour period."

[Flea The Magician]

Aight I am now on what I consider Limited Access for a week. I got 4 hours travel tomorrow to my besties where we're both basically just going to nap on each other cause they're at a concert and rushing back to make sure they're there for my arrival lol

I'll probably have an hour at most a day to be looking over this but I'll be doing what I can.

[Flea The Magician]

sorry about the pronouns, flea.

also my postcount is up so this is my last post for this gameday

elly/gamma/enchant/???? is my solve rn.

go town

<3

Hey that was the mods stepping in not me, if I get upset I start throwing my.pronouns.page at you <3

[Flea The Magician]

So in the best display of why employers should pay their workers I have ever seen, I was delayed by around 70 minutes on my already tiring travel to my friends due to various equipment failures on the national railways.

Fleas position was also weird, fae challenged me like 'what, scum me would know scum Dan was targetted?' like it was ridiculous, not obvious

Loving the quote without context or a link... I've had a long ass day. I ain't looking today

[Flea The Magician]

expecting me to remember anything is a bad move. And you dodged the point of the question anyway.

you gave the logical conditional answer, not the real answer.
So i ask directly, do you believe I am scum with Dan, and therefore came into the day knowing he was poisoned?

[Flea The Magician]

https://my.pronouns.page/are/fae/faer
https://my.pronouns.page/@FleatheMagician

adressing your point, im manic and exausted. I've put plenty of effort in. this town is chaotic and scattered, I cant do anything more without breaking myself further.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm on KJ and erialox in my pool for today.

Who took out enchant shouldn't claim until they have to tbh. Conftown for later.

[Flea The Magician]

Nancy hooked on the soft double inno feels like we're being panel beaten with it at this point.

Eiralox is just throwing insults and shitposting at this point.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea should also be tr me atp. At any rate, we are loyal crew. Idk if there are even any traitors in this setup.

I think you would have accepted your position is not as strong as you think it currently is as town.

Reason I'm not voting you is Gimlis push which is starting to stink as well.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm signing out you do whatever you want

bella/KJ/RR is my final solve

gl to town you're gonna need it

.

What is your read on Flea?

well hi

I think he is scum if you're not. hasn't done anything the whole game and keeps not doing anything this gameday.

In catch up mode because 10+ pages appeared and apparently despite the ongoing shit and that i am limited access currently people still feel the need to be like "flea has done nothing" as well as misgendering me.

https://my.pronouns.page/@FleaTheMagician
I am going to start assuming it's hostile from this point.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: offensive language

This is probably the worst Town game I've played as far as reads go.

After I saw the flips

I spazzed out

and once I calmed down I realized the only logical explanation is that Gimli is playing a very lively scum game which had me completely snowed. Sorry I didn't listen to you earlier Mala.

Elements is...still scum unless I'm missing something. I'm fine voting out Gimli and Elements in any order.

~Joker

PEdit

I see Mala thinks Elements is Town for some reason I don't understand so VOTE: Gimli

Please refrain from using offensive language.

Spoiler: genuine question/confusion, not game-related

How is that offensive? I've never heard of that phrase being problematic at all before, and can't imagine who would be targeted by it...

I'm not arguing, I don't think you'd just make it up, but it's in my vocabulary too and I want to know why it's wrong.

It Is incredibly offensive to disabled folk in the UK and I appriciate the mods step in on that one.

This is also acting as a bookmark of where i need to keep reading from.