Micro 1091 - Prism v. 1L Year [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

Also I wished they talked about Meuh and Guiltylion

[Dunnstral]

So I guess I'd say it's scummy

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

Something in my brain wants to claim that scum!Meuh would be more likely to remember the situation she was in when she made the mind meld claim- because the current state of the thread would likely influenced her course of action

While town!meuh would more easily mix up the time line - because (1)her explaining why she said she mind melded with RH and (2) her wagon forming, would be 2 non-intrinsically linked events that happened in her mind.

(I also don't think that scum!meuh would choose to out and out lie about the order of events)

I don't actually know how much stock I am putting into that take, but it was my first reaction to seeing it her realize that she had the timeline wrong.

When she voted for RH9, she posted:

VOTE: RH9 I'd rather not die

Doesn't this mean that her vote on RH9 was due to not wanting to be voted out instead of because they started scumreading RH9?

Her vote was not inclucded in my thought.
I was talking about her misremembering the timeline between her wagon forming, and her making 1319. (Which is not a one and done post, but required her to go through RH's iso)

Like the reality of it was, she made 1319 while while she had 1 vote, and RH had just hit e-1. Then her wagon formed. Then she voted RH for survival.

But when she recounted it in 1387, she seemed to think that she was already at e-1 when she wrote 1319.

[SirCakez]

@Dunn, Cakez, and GL -- thoughts on Ali's catch up?

Not great. The push on Pooky feels really weird in particular like I don't think anybody else thinks he's scum.

[Alisae]

The push on Pooky feels really weird in particular like I don't think anybody else thinks he's scum.

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[Alisae]

why does that matter lol

[Alisae]

i read the game and I think pooky is mafia why does anyone thinking he is a wolf matters

[Alisae]

he isn't*

[Alisae]

I read the game and I deduced that pooky is mafia and leading the village towards a mafia victory what more do u want from me lol

[Alisae]

What alignment do u think forms opinions that are unique and that literally nobody shares Cakez?

[Lukewarm]

SirCakez is potentially looking at the game like this:

One mafia in Dunn/Luke/Pooky/Meuh

One mafia in RH9/Guiltylion

And they suspect both RH9 and Guiltylion, but townread Dunn, Luke, and Pooky

My issue, is that if that is his view of the game -- why was he not saying that Meuh was the correct choice when he wrote 1275, and why did he say he was down for the RH elim in 1292.

Nothing about RH and GL being the vt claims, and Meuh being a Miller claim changed between writing those and him switching to pushing for the Meuh elim.

Like, the whole thing that I find suspicious, is that when RH looked inevitable, he was on the wagon, and when he stopped looking like the inevitable elim, his position shifted to Meuh being The Correct Choice. Not the actual stance.

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2.3

In 1800, the entire Federal government moved from Philadelphia to Washington DC, including the Supreme Court. Unfortunately, no accommodations for SCOTUS had been built or planned. So, Congress lent the Court space in the new Capitol Building.

Player	Votes
Alisae (3)	Lukewarm (1289), Meuh (1332), PookyTheMagicalBear (1433)
Meuh (2)	Dunnstral (1303), SirCakez (1330)
PookyTheMagicalBear (1)	Alisae (1413)
Not Voting (1)	GuiltyLion (1350)

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

No elimination has been achieved. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2023-09-19 12:30:00).

Combined Prism & fferyllt Mod ISO

[Meuh]

Cmon guys get to voting!!

[Meuh]

I wish we would hammer I don't think there's much more solving to be done here without a flip

Cakez like you thought here, isn't the idea of getting a flip here sooooooo nice? You can put someone on E-1!!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I wish we would hammer I don't think there's much more solving to be done here without a flip

Cakez like you thought here, isn't the idea of getting a flip here sooooooo nice? You can put someone on E-1!!

what r u talking about who can cakez put on e-1

[SirCakez]

close to hammering alisaee

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

UNVOTE:

i dont feel good about this anymore

luke r u sure you want this

[SirCakez]

okay then can we kill Meuh pls

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like guiltylion ghosting us

cakeboi salivating

alisae making less sense than a drunk chicken

nothing is adding up

and I feel bad about scumreading my cat even if RH9 decided to commit like eleven different scumtells in 3 hours and then say peace out

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we got three days chill homie

i wanna talk to my boy luke and try to get this right cuz his ass aint gonna be alive tomm probly

[GuiltyLion]

I'm not ghosting keep your pants on

I've read through and I'm trying to chew on Luke's argument for limming RH9 and whether it's Ali/Cakez or a non-Ali team, cause I don't think Ali/Meuh makes sense. and I agree with Dunn's point too that there's no way it's Ali/Dunn

going back and highlighting some individual posts in a sec

[GuiltyLion]

Quietly hoping that the wagon will lose steam on its own is not all that uncommon for scum to do imo.

as a general rule I disagree with this because I think scum usually feel pressured to Have a Stance on their partner as they understand people are gonna be going back and looking at people's reads on the flipped scum. if Meuh is doing buddies with RH9 here she was keeping him in a very null-y tier:

I think Pooky flips scum more than RH9 at this point, but I probably should give a closer look to his ISO.

Dunn > GL > Pooky > RH9 > Cakez > Lukewarm
My lim preference at the moment

I guess it's possible she's just trying to coast and skate by without a firm read on her buddy but I am not sensing a real agenda positioning around an upcoming incriminating flip. she was advocating (somewhat strongly) that Dunn/I were the scum team and in the RH9/Meuh world that theory would be immediately dead when either of us green flipped.

I think the Meuh/Dunn interactions are much more likely to be S-S given how decisively Meuh was pushing Dunn earlier yet how much that's tapered off (despite her still claiming to scumread him).

and if Dunn is scum then chaining me to him makes sense too

[GuiltyLion]

I think that I am committing to the idea that RH is the better elim.

The transition from RH e-1, to Meuh e-1 was too smooth and easy. Not a hint of resistance from anyone but me - actually, every single one of the potential Meuh partners happily encouraging the Meuh elim > the RH elim.

That transition feels like the scum team either:
-Does not care which one goes over because both are town.
-Prefer the Meuh elim, beacuse Meuh is town.
-Is exactly Meuh+RH, and therefore could not influence the transition basically at all.

None of those worlds have scum meuh / town RH, which makes me think that RH/Ali is the more correct play.

adding onto Meuh/Dunn theory, then this would mean Dunn playing around his current good standing + a Meuh bus would be enough to ride through to a win. also there'd still be an option for RH9 to get limmed first, he may not have even fully expected that Cakez and I would both jump onto his wagon, he floated going back to RH9 1326 before Cakez switched soon after

[GuiltyLion]

Well there's an hour between those two posts. If we were mafia together I'd like to think we'd be talking with each other after their 2 vt slip and come up with something better than 1097, which is in response to my post and looks bad for them.

referenced this a few posts ago but wanted to specifically add that regardless of Dunn's alignment, I think this is true. 1097 would be a completely unforced error and I think RH9 as scum with Dunn would 100% post in the PT first prior to responding in main thread, especially if he's unsure what to do

[GuiltyLion]

I am not understanding how cakez got from here, to arguing that Meuh is the definitively better elim.

on this (and the bigger post immediately prior)

I see where you are coming from and there's certainly a world where you're onto this and it's scum indicative, but Cakez is frequently a mercurial player and it's not hard for me to imagine him doing this as town either. I think you're also overstating the extent to which he was really arguing Meuh was definitively better

a lot of his ISO made more sense to me again when I reread it thinking PR=miller whenever he talks about setup speculation, he's been pretty consistent throughout that he thinks Meuh is a good bet for scum