Mini Normal 2314 - The Mafia Have a Cop [END]

[geraintm]

Hello.
Maybe complex was a mistake.
Post 20 is already making my head hurt

[geraintm]

Oh yeah, Una distracted me from my initial first post


I claim Miller

Do you not think miller would have positive utilty for you in a game called "the mafia have a cop"
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

This is where my sums add up to
VOTE: jjh

[geraintm]

Hey, I remember gera too from some mutual games!
I missed your name in the initial list, but recognized it now with that avatar.

I've had that avatar since 2006. Mr consistent

[geraintm]

Oh yeah, Una distracted me from my initial first post


I claim Miller

Do you not think miller would have positive utilty for you in a game called "the mafia have a cop"
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

This is where my sums add up to
VOTE: jjh

What are you saying?

20, plus 22 = 42

[geraintm]

That being said, like I posited earlier- why claim miller if the only theory you can come up with is a traitor? Do you not consider yourself a priority target for a scum cop to check?

I dont think what jjh said is scummy but tbh i dont even understand it

Just to pop over to the side for a second since I'm very much going to be focusing on Flavor Leaf for a little bit, the logic is essentially that in a game where it is known that the mafia have a cop, it is likely that the mafia will use that cop to try and find a traitor.
The existence of a miller in a setup with a mafia cop could result in some very very funny shenanigans where the mafia believe they have found a traitor when they have in fact found a miller

I am actually in agreement with JJh here.

Flavor, did you think about there being a traitor in this game before you claimed miller?

Nope.

I put like 3% thought into the Miller claim.

You are a better player than me, but after reading the other posts on why there is a miller in the game I think you should have known better than to make that claim as town.

[geraintm]

I'm gonna say Hu Tao reacted on instinct in a way that is more likely to come from town
Drew looks town off of it to me for similar reasons
Una is putting in some effort but not getting anything off of it yet
Gera looks like someone who will be very easy for me to place later despite not giving substantial content

oh, i am normally super easy to slot after a few days. i am very obvious as both town and scum

[geraintm]

Oh yeah, Una distracted me from my initial first post


I claim Miller

Do you not think miller would have positive utilty for you in a game called "the mafia have a cop"
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

This is where my sums add up to
VOTE: jjh

What are you saying?

20, plus 22 = 42

So it’s a timing thing?

it is a mechanical post thing

[geraintm]

Gerait’s been genuine.

Aww, you're sweet

[geraintm]

I'm gonna say Hu Tao reacted on instinct in a way that is more likely to come from town
Drew looks town off of it to me for similar reasons
Una is putting in some effort but not getting anything off of it yet
Gera looks like someone who will be very easy for me to place later despite not giving substantial content

oh, i am normally super easy to slot after a few days. i am very obvious as both town and scum

Self meta is always sus to me

You want me to not say it?

[geraintm]

Stoop.....I'm old

[geraintm]

Hu Tao, Jjh, Roden, Una are townie for for me.

Gamma is lean, Geraint is lean. I feel good with Geraint, but really too early for me to fully trust that

Don't trust me, it's day 1. But give me time.and I will. Show my true colours

[geraintm]

You got any reads you want to talk about?

Oh none. None at all. It is day 1 and unless my role gave me extra info about someone, then to me you are all equally likely to be town as anyone else.

[geraintm]

Now that I think about it, if Mafia had Cop+Traitor, it would 100% not make sense for a Traitor to claim Miller without additional signals.

Scum would just think the player is a Miller and wouldn’t risk investigating because they wouldn’t know for sure that Miller is their partner or not.

I would have expected you to have put more thought into your claim, rather than only piecing it together now

[geraintm]

You got any reads you want to talk about?

Oh none. None at all. It is day 1 and unless my role gave me extra info about someone, then to me you are all equally likely to be town as anyone else.

Would you be willing to humour me if I take you on a journey then? If I were to present some points you could comment on them and at least try and form some opinions.

Day 1 is very important to me as I am inclined to find scum on day 1 and then get nightkillled on night 1

Your overconfidence is aweinspiring

[geraintm]

Jjh could be powerwolfing, but idk if they try to powerwolf as scum in this gamestate.

I town read them, but late game it’s worth thinking about if they’re alive.

I’m like totally comfortable just sheeping wherever they push unless it’s someone i town read, like an Una, Gamma, Hu. I might even be convinced if I think the case is good enough, still Day 1 after all.

I don't think I've played with jjh before, but I think I agree with you on them. If they are scum, then them trying to lead so strongly early doors is brazen. No interest in their elimination today

[geraintm]

And yes, it did take me ages to prepare that list of towngames so geraintm, it would be greatly appreciated if you would humour me like I requested

You are being very optimistic in how much you expect from me on day 1.

[geraintm]

In terms of reads, I think the scumteam is entirely within Roden, Marcistar, The Bulge, Xegarus, geraintm

I would like to narrow that down if possible

is this how you get 100% hit rate on predicting scum, through 5 names in the hat each time?

[geraintm]

You're not physically incapable of trying to place people on day 1- you're just refusing to

So logically you could be persuaded to

you are going to Dr Spock me, that is how you are going to get me to engage?

[geraintm]

This went from 0 to 100 so fast

yep, JJH has gone down in my estimation now a long way. you can't keep poking people like that without expecting people to have to reveal something and that aint a townie thing to do

[geraintm]

FL, you have experience with geraintm, right

Any thoughts on 501-503?

I don’t think he’s that bold/aggressive as scum here.

I think it can make sense for some people to see you as leading right now, and if they don’t agree/understand what you’re pushing it, they could think you as scummy, and I think Geraint just fits right into that category.

They’re a “I hope I die so i don’t have to have reads” in final 5-7 type of player.

This ^^^^
I was glad last game that I had ended up thr most townie person left in the game so scum had to kill me.
My aim in every game is to just end up after 2 or 3 days to be seen as town, which I cannot ever do when scum.

Jjh's playstyle is indeed rubbing me up the wrong way today.

[geraintm]

FL, you have experience with geraintm, right

Any thoughts on 501-503?

I don’t think he’s that bold/aggressive as scum here.

I think it can make sense for some people to see you as leading right now, and if they don’t agree/understand what you’re pushing it, they could think you as scummy, and I think Geraint just fits right into that category.

They’re a “I hope I die so i don’t have to have reads” in final 5-7 type of player.

It does kind of feel like geraintm is reacting negatively to being in my poe more than anything. I'm trying to determine if the "ha the so called scum catcher is wrong" kind of vibe is genuine or not

I have zero concern about your target group. I have zero chance of getting eliminated today, and I am happy for you to keep talking because the more you talk the easier you will be to sort from day 2 onwards

[geraintm]

Yeah, Marcistar gets a pass with their Friendly Neighbor claim for now

I was really confused by this post and wondered who had made a neighbourhood claim and when, but reading is tech and worked it all out in the end

[geraintm]

I'm exploring a theory that geraintm as town is more "I can't properly place anyone because it's day 1 but I will join all the big wagons" and geraintm as scum is more "You can't place me on day 1 because it is impossible"

I've played multiple day 1s when I all did was vote thr longest wagon, just to get to day 2 quicker

[geraintm]

FL, you have experience with geraintm, right

Any thoughts on 501-503?

I would now like a second opinion on this from someone who is not FL

Only one game with them, but experience or no experience with them.....seems a bit shady.

I potentially can sort them overnight though......or at least that was my plan.

Probably a good time now to say we are Neighbors, not of the friendly variety though.

Oh, you gave that up quicker than I was expecting.

[geraintm]

Oh, what the hell?
Somehow my brain automatically went to the only claimed slot so far = marci.
So we now have a silly softed IC/FN in marci, and a two-player (or more?) hood claimed?

I am working on the assumption Drew is 90% town

[geraintm]

I think scum is The Bulge, Dannflor, geraintm

My money is on Dannflor being a traitor out of these so if we want to speedrun this game we don't have to eliminate him, but if it comes down to it then I think letting the slot endgame would be a mistake

VOTE: The Bulge

I'm curious why you have me as scum and not Drew.

We are both in the same hood. He outed us when I had no desire to do so. I can't work out why you are so fixated on me.

You were pressuring me earlier and I said back then I was confident I was not going to be eliminated today - partly because I (almost) never get eliminated day 1 and partly because I knew I had a hood claim.

But you seemed to take all that and my genuine dislike of day 1s as proof I am scum.

[geraintm]

I guess one issue is that claiming a hood this early is in many ways similar from the scumsters POV, as getting confirmed VT-slots out of us.
Unless people in the hood can have multiple roles

(DO NOT COMMENT ON THIS OR GIVE THE "RIGHT" ANSWER IN THREAD ANYONE)

scum now have a more refined pool for PR-hunting if they want to take a shot there.

And unless the hoodsters actually make any beneficial progress there, it's not actually "power" to us.

^^^
I had zero intention of outing myself today.

But the complex nature of the game is why I am never going to give Drew a pass, Mod is likely funking with us all somehow

[geraintm]

My money is on Dannflor being a traitor out of these

can you explain how you arrived at this thought

Doesn't need to explain.

It is day 1 and they are 100% right all of the time.

You wanna start self voting now, you've beem caught. I would send this in the scum chat but it is locked....

[geraintm]

My money is on Dannflor being a traitor out of these

can you explain how you arrived at this thought

Doesn't need to explain.

It is day 1 and they are 100% right all of the time.

You wanna start self voting now, you've beem caught. I would send this in the scum chat but it is locked....

I think this is an absurd take if you look over jjh’s progression

It was a joke response to them pulling out a signed affidavit of all the instances of them being correct on day 1, nothing more.

[geraintm]

Why is JJh getting heat?

I mean, the most obvious answer is the correct one

A wagon between Dann and Gera seems like right move

VOTE: Gera

I'm surprised you are pushing me so hard, a green flip from me makes you look so much worse and I am not sure why you think I am scum beyond me saying I have you at 90% town which is a huge improvement from 75% I would normally put any random player at.

[geraintm]

Oh, what the hell?
Somehow my brain automatically went to the only claimed slot so far = marci.
So we now have a silly softed IC/FN in marci, and a two-player (or more?) hood claimed?

I am working on the assumption Drew is 90% town

I guess one issue is that claiming a hood this early is in many ways similar from the scumsters POV, as getting confirmed VT-slots out of us.
Unless people in the hood can have multiple roles

(DO NOT COMMENT ON THIS OR GIVE THE "RIGHT" ANSWER IN THREAD ANYONE)

scum now have a more refined pool for PR-hunting if they want to take a shot there.

And unless the hoodsters actually make any beneficial progress there, it's not actually "power" to us.

^^^
I had zero intention of outing myself today.

But the complex nature of the game is why I am never going to give Drew a pass, Mod is likely funking with us all somehow

Why is it that gera is assuming you are more likely to be town because you are a neighbour

Why, I don't think mod will not put 2 townies in thr hood together, so that's why.

[geraintm]

"the complex nature of the game" doesn't make a neighbour any more likely to be town or scum

I'm kinda thinking there might be something pretty wild because if the scumteam is a cop, a neighbour, and a traitor. . . well

Yes, that does seem an odd team which is why I didn't have my partner in thr hood as likely to be scum

[geraintm]

Oh, what the hell?
Somehow my brain automatically went to the only claimed slot so far = marci.
So we now have a silly softed IC/FN in marci, and a two-player (or more?) hood claimed?

I am working on the assumption Drew is 90% town

I guess one issue is that claiming a hood this early is in many ways similar from the scumsters POV, as getting confirmed VT-slots out of us.
Unless people in the hood can have multiple roles

(DO NOT COMMENT ON THIS OR GIVE THE "RIGHT" ANSWER IN THREAD ANYONE)

scum now have a more refined pool for PR-hunting if they want to take a shot there.

And unless the hoodsters actually make any beneficial progress there, it's not actually "power" to us.

^^^
I had zero intention of outing myself today.

But the complex nature of the game is why I am never going to give Drew a pass, Mod is likely funking with us all somehow

Why is it that gera is assuming you are more likely to be town because you are a neighbour

Oh, and I think I already mentioned it, but the one thing he said in the Hood was that I was 90% percent town.....which obviously was before D1 even started. That was the first thing to make me say hmmm.

I kinda think if he town read me I would return the favor, for whatever reason.

I was a willing to get to N1 and talk to him more, but most of his posts today have been bad bad, and sometimes

Enchant

Flavor Leaf

Gera is just scum.

My posts in this game have been no different from any other day 1 I've been in, except I have actually confirmed a claim made about me and I have as a standing rule to just not claim day 1

[geraintm]

I think bulge is probably the cop based on gera being a neighbour

That being said I guess we could just do gera

I kinda want to be voted out today just so your perfect day 1 play gets nuked

[geraintm]

I think bulge is probably the cop based on gera being a neighbour

That being said I guess we could just do gera

Why can't gera also be a cop?

You have me as in the neighbourhood, a cop and scum, all at the same time?

[geraintm]

"the complex nature of the game" doesn't make a neighbour any more likely to be town or scum

I'm kinda thinking there might be something pretty wild because if the scumteam is a cop, a neighbour, and a

traitor

. . . well

I honestly dislike this assumption and talk of traitors all over the place. Especially from jjh.
I know it would make more sense of the announced scum!cop, but since this is a complex setup I'm almost certain that a Traitor isn't a given.
I could come up with multiple reasons why not / alternative reasons for the Cop without it being a total red herring.

I'h at least hope we would stop talking about a Traitor as if it's confimed to exist.

I'm pretty sure a traitor exists, but Endless roll speculation day 1 is not helpful to town at all

[geraintm]

re:the neighbourhood claim

i once ran a large normal with two traitors who were in a hood alone together. i thought it was a fun idea but people were salty in postgame (it was a scum win)

i doubt that's a thing here or else i wouldn't be saying anything to tip the hoodies off but it crossed my mind as we have a confirmed hood + large possibility of a traitor

Again, shhh.
Let's just get through day 1 and then people's night actions can help us narrow down the game

[geraintm]

gera what is your reason for having drew at 90% town?

Base player is 75%
I know I'm town, at the time I made the assumption that the hood would be two townies (mainly because I don't play complex games very often and i didn't get why a mod would stick me and a scum in together) so I raised it to 90% town.

I've probably dropped back down to 75% now because so many of you seem to think the hood could have scum in it

[geraintm]

I am not a very good player at setups, I was being my normal simplistic self during thr pregame. I had time for 1 post I believe before the game started, we didn't have time to chat at all.

[geraintm]

I think bulge is probably the cop based on gera being a neighbour

That being said I guess we could just do gera

I kinda want to be voted out today just so your perfect day 1 play gets nuked

pretty sure jjh never said they were perfect but keep on living in your own world, we'll be here actually playing the game

You are right, I have misrepresented them when I said they were perfect.

They are merely 90%

You got any reads you want to talk about?

Oh none. None at all. It is day 1 and unless my role gave me extra info about someone, then to me you are all equally likely to be town as anyone else.

Would you be willing to humour me if I take you on a journey then? If I were to present some points you could comment on them and at least try and form some opinions.

Day 1 is very important to me as I am inclined to find scum on day 1 and then get nightkillled on night 1

Your overconfidence is aweinspiring

That's regular well curated confidence based on a track record going back years of consistently finding scum on day 1, thank you very much.

Unfortunately you're gonna have to make do with these because none of them are perfect for meta
This would have been one if I hadn't been force replaced due to mod error
This is where I replaced into a completely doomed mafia slot in team mafia for a day phase
I believe this is my most recent full scumgame but it's from 2 years ago

If you'd like some towngames for reference, I did dig up my last 10 towngames (going back 3 years to the day, it looks like) in case I needed to prove to geraintm that accurate day 1 reads exist

Spoiler:

Datisi's University - Number 1 scumread was scum!Wheme, but didn't get the lim day 1. Notably had 3 out of 4 scum in the 4 names in my scumreads. Died n1
Datisi's Cafe - Number 1 scumread was scum!Malakittens. Was fine with the scum!Ircher elim that happened day 1 though as well.
GNG's upick - Number 1 scumread was scum!Gypyx. Lim didn't happen due to a dumb mechanical plan I said wouldn't work, that didn't work.
Superfight mafiaCaught scum day 1. Mafia tried to kill me N1 but due to the mechanics could not
Anything uPickCaught not 1 but 2 scum due to a big old TMI that nobody else believed until we limmed one of them on day 2.
Townstumps mafiaCaught scum day 1. Notably off wagon at eod because I was trying to find more.
Krazy's animal upickCaught scum day 1
Pokemon battlesCaught scum day 1
Cards of destiny mafiaCaught scum day 1
Mystery box of silver 10Did not catch scum day 1. Notably, day 1 lasted 4 and a half days and based on reading my iso I don't think I was caught up

[geraintm]

I do think you've been overall a bit quick to town bin some slots and the nono read stuck out to me specifically but I think if I'm honest with myself that points more towards town!you being excited to solve the game rather than you power wolfing

^^^
This is somewhat my opinion if jjh. They seem convinced they've won the game already and are just waiting for everyone to fall in line with them. I have them as more likely to be town than not, because I cannot believe Scum would come in and play as they have been - but maybe someone who has played with them before can say if they have done that.

But pretty brazen if they are.

[geraintm]

I have zero interest in voting for jjh or doctor Drew today though

[geraintm]

I have zero interest in voting for jjh or doctor Drew today though

do you have an interest in changing your vote?

Not right now

[geraintm]

aschewing the hypotheticals

Im not really reading geraint’s annoyance with jjh as caught for the wrong reasons anymore

The tone seems more like “i can’t wait to prove you wrong hahahaha”

and I’d kind of expect scum to be a little more self conscious about leaving their vote on their one purported town read?

i like your posts about me
and to be honest, i have zero idea where my random vote is currently placed, but i have no interest in movin it till i want to. happy to let it linger

[geraintm]

It’s more that I don’t think geraint voting jjh is equal to jjh “receiving a bit of heat”

That feels like a superficial read of the gamestate and I would expect if you were that disengaged as town you simply wouldn’t make a read that superficial?

you know i am voting JJH because it was my random vote, and i have subsequently said i don't want them voted out today but just havent had anywhere else to put my vote?

[geraintm]

the bulge do you have a solve

or if not a solve a PoE

I wonder what you will do if they don't come up with something acceptable to you

[geraintm]

I don't really care about the specific names bulge gives me

then why even bother. you are just asking with bad intentions.

VOTE: dannflor

[geraintm]

What are these bad intentions you see?

Asking a question of the leading wagonee when you don't care about the answer, why do it? Just setting them up so to vote for them whatever they do.
Hated that.

[geraintm]

roden just feels like a spectator this game, he's providing game commentary but i don't feel like he's interested in engaging with what he's commentating on

like

1205 just feels like shade on a limbaity slot that doesn't actually like engage with geraint in anyway or attempt to do anything but setup a narrative of geraint being scum

personally im pretty sure geraint is town and the vote + misunderstanding of what i wanted from the bulge just solidified that for me

1074 also feels like very nebulous shade on another town slot, and again roden doesn't have to pursue it today because of the claim. in actuality though i'd expect most townies to take a claim like marci's at face value over any sort of nebulous meta. this read feels like it's supposed to look complicated and townie conspiracy theory-esque more than anything

i just think roden is fitting perfectly into model of "inoffensive scum," but i don't think there's anything distinctly towny about his play. and if a lot of the LHF slots here are town like geraint and the bulge and marci like I suspect, then I think Roden occupies the most likely position for scum to be taking here

No one should read me as town

[geraintm]

VOTE: Doctor Drew
I don’t really care for the other major wagons so this seems like the most viable choice that I am willing to go with

I am.nwver voting here

[geraintm]

Do you honestly think there is any chance whatsoever that drew and gera are scum together

Well, knowing my alignment I am 100% sure we aren't scum together

I also think it is very unlikely they are scum. They may feel different about me, but that is where I am at the moment.
I don't know why they outed our hood on day 1 like they did. They obviously didn't tell me about it before hand. It is not something I would have done today

[geraintm]

.

Drew and gera claimed to be in a hood together?
In a bananas world where it's scum!Drew there is no hood and people were actually correct about the potential of scum!gera.

We would be so easily found out, as soon as one flipped with no Hood in their role the other would be immediately killed

[geraintm]

@ the bulge

This is normal levels of interaction from me on day 1

[geraintm]

I didn't think Bulge was a slam dunk, I wanted to hear from them and get a claim ideally...

naughty point

[geraintm]

OH HE IS? IM SORRHY UNVOTE:

dont undertsand this

[geraintm]

Geraint, Nono, JJh probably has the 3rd. JJh is paranoia of deep wolf more than actually seeing them as scum, but idk if im gonna be able to drop that paranoia, and i dont really think jjh and marci is scum/scum. tinfoiled it earlier, but idk.

you have JJH coming after me early doors then as pure theatre?

[geraintm]

Well this heated up quickly

that is did, it got weird reading it

[geraintm]

it's been clear for me that scum want Doctor Drew or a Dannflorr wagon.

does that make me not scum as i really, really dont want Drew gone?

[geraintm]

VOTE: roden

i dont get this vote.

the last like 5 pages there has been an awful lot of attempts to get wagons going elsehwere. kinda makes me want to stick even more where i am.

[geraintm]

is there any other claims

WHY ARE WE CONSTANTLY ASKING FOR, OR DISCUSSING, CLAIMS D1? -_-'

who knows? I think it is awful. i wouldnt have claimed the hood for sure on day 1

[geraintm]

this is not a hard end of the day, yall just acting like you're supposed to solve game on day 1, and some of yall being performative

Ah, this is the true true.

agree. i have no idea where flavour's burst of activity overnight came from

[geraintm]

i think ive read through 15 odd pages, and seen 3 or 4 different wgons come and go and Dannflor i think has still been top of the leaderboard all the way through.
i have not read anything that makes me think anyone has anything, no matter how much people want to shout and spittle in their posts. it cannot be the case that everyone is right, so i am choosing to ignore it all because even though one person will be able to point to their correctness tomorrow, that means nothing.

i just want to get to Day 2 with no claims and we can all start playing properly then.

[geraintm]

ok this might sound really scummy butim like

pretty

sure drew is town >.>

That based on the claim from yesterday, or something else?

[geraintm]

No, I just very strongly town read them from being on a hood with them.

[geraintm]

Quickly catching up.

If the overnight posts are because no daytalk and scum messed up their claim and cannot work together to fix it then I like

[geraintm]

Geraint’s alignment is bonkers easy to read in late game.

Want to share with the rest of the class on this

Geraint can’t deep wolf.

And their thought process is insanely easy to read on an objective level if they are scum/town.

Like when they are scum, you can see their objective of survival, and when they are town, you can see their “just kill me so i don’t have to do anything” mentality

This is why I like playing with people who've played with me before, because they can back up my "don't ever eliminate me day 1 because I am easily solvable later"

[geraintm]

Damn, I want to smash the "How can you be so obtuse " gif all.over marci.

Like, if I get the problem how on earth do they not?

[geraintm]

Can I check I understand this correctly Drew, you have been pulled into a Neighbourhood overnight that is different to the one we are in?

Does it have its own thread for you to talk in from tomorrow night?

[geraintm]

I agree. Una is more likely to be the traitor, if any at all.

This makes the last scum a Cop, I would imagine a Role Cop.

I don’t think it’s Geraint. Geraint trusted me completely in a neighborhood recently too, and they were town.

Ya but, how far does that trust go to what you reveal in the hood?

I just don't buy they are being earnest with me.

To take it further, I think they want me to reveal what potential abilities I have.

Did you talk to each other in the hood last night?

Yes, not too much though.

I talked about being wary on Flavor and Dann, and feeling better about Hu after the flip.

Gera still doesn't like that I revealed our hood, which I don't get.

And other things took place, which make me trust Gera less......which make me think they are looking for info from me

No, I didn't want the hood revealed for no reason.

I wanted one of us to come under pressure today or whenever and it to be something that could be brought out then. If say scum were trying to discredit us it would have been nice to have had in our back pocket. But you just gave scum the info straight off, they can safely ignore us now and focus elsewhere.


What info am I wanting from you?
I didn't ask you anything like that at all???

I have no idea what the other things is that you alluded too?

[geraintm]

Guys i dont get why you want to elim town so badly like im literally loyal neighbourizer it says here in my role dm

If i wasnt how could drew be in a hood w me

Have you got a posting restriction that you have to spout the same babble everytime?

[geraintm]

Guys i dont get why you want to elim town so badly like im literally loyal neighbourizer it says here in my role dm

If i wasnt how could drew be in a hood w me

I mean like..this is sort of starting to be hilarious now.

Making a note here for Game End Discussion, because need to ask afterwards what Marci was thinking

[geraintm]

Can I check I understand this correctly Drew, you have been pulled into a Neighbourhood overnight that is different to the one we are in?

Does it have its own thread for you to talk in from tomorrow night?

Yes, for me and Marci

The coffee is still dribbing so this is not the time for me to try and think yet, but..
Drew - did you get that message AFTER your PT closed for the day?

The PM came with the message and the link to the Hood, but was at day start so no posting in said hood.

???

mailman and hood link in the same pm?

Yes, there was the message from the Mail Man, and then after the message was a link to the Hood

Anyone ever have experience with a game with a hood set up at the start of thr game, with a second growing one? It isn't something I've come across before

[geraintm]

quickly checking in.

I am very trusting of Drew, they have been very consistent throughtout the game and i have zero reason to doubt their claims.
(you didn't respond to my last few messages in the hood though, left me hanging

i received the mailman message last night. there was no indication on the loyalty or not of the sender.

[geraintm]

VCA wise, one on one off Marci makes sense as a base based on how it went about.

Marci's elimination was baffaling.
I have no idea how they managed to get themselves eliminated, and why they stuck to their "I'm loyal" bit and refuse to budge from it. if they had, they would have surely survived.
because of how strange Marci was i don't know if much could be mde of where their known partner was and the traitor was.

[geraintm]

yeah i dont see geraint being that role fishy to drew as scum either

me being scum in a hood with Drew and our interactions is so beyond my skillset.

[geraintm]

traitor mailman doesnt make sense because they can just send their team mail telling them who they are.

could the traitor mailman have some sort of loyal modifier? to mirror the one we already got?

[geraintm]

kinda defeats the purpose unless it's Disloyal Mailman.

would a miller screw with this?

[geraintm]

The Bulge
Geraint

Unabombah
Dannflor

Doctor Drew
Firebringer

Nono
Hu Tao

you have me as more townie than Drew?

[geraintm]

For selfish reasons, I might just want Drew limmed today.
To me the remaining scum are within Drew/FL/HuTao/Dann.
I'm obviously going to read the game from the start so I might def. change my mind.

i aint touching Drew today

[geraintm]

Like, Drew, MarciScum with DrewScum stage that whole thing to make it look like Marci targeted you, and that you’d come off as town there.

You claiming a Mailman message separately and the confusion on that does look odd as scum/scum, though.

But then it could have been you claiming you received Mail, as a Traitor, and the neighborhood didn’t really exist, thus you not knowing it was a Neighborhood that was supposed to happen until Marci pushed a bit more.

It’s a possible scenario that I’m not ruling out yet.

i dont believe it based on the execution and my read of drew but...

claiming an action on your buddy and then openwolfing into a disloyal flip is kind of a genius idea it would certainly be making the most of the disloyal modifier

if they have planned this and pulled it off, then bravo.
kinda falls apart if town has any way of checking Drew though

[geraintm]

quickly checking in.

I am very trusting of Drew, they have been very consistent throughtout the game and i have zero reason to doubt their claims.
(you didn't respond to my last few messages in the hood though, left me hanging

i received the mailman message last night. there was no indication on the loyalty or not of the sender.

what was the message?

It was their musings on the game

[geraintm]

Okay so what are the claims?

Thought you caught up?
If you did, you'd be claiming yourself already as you've been named as one of the first wanted to out their claim.
Also you'd know what Drew claimed already = they claim to be informed that there actually is a Traitor in the game.

Yeah I couldn't work out why they are fighting the traitor roll being in game so much, unless they just didn't read?
And even I can see why scum cop fits in with the game

[geraintm]

Oooooooooooooooooooo, spicy.
Assuming then that there is a paired claim to this?

No one is going to claim...and then the second time round the traitor does

[geraintm]

Let’s finish Mass claim before any fades.

Una, Dann, Geraint, and Nono all still need to claim

Oh, I'm in the neighbourhood, and I said there to Drew I have no night actions.

[geraintm]

I'm a bit confused as to why town would need a pt cop when scum have a neighbor.

Gives scum a counter claim to explain it away just assume.
This feels like every role here is carefully included to balance one on the other side.

[geraintm]

Let’s finish Mass claim before any fades.

Una, Dann, Geraint, and Nono all still need to claim

Oh, I'm in the neighbourhood, and I said there to Drew I have no night actions.

So just Vanilla Neighbor?

BP Neighbor and stuff like that technically don’t have night actions

Yes, why I've been doing my best to work out things as the game as gone along.
Drew slow rolled his actions, and has only said the his N1 action in night 2

[geraintm]

Drew claimed PT Cop, seems weird if scum, but like i said, this being complex, kinda just needs to be there, right?

I think the whole Drew Marci thing is super weird if scum, but also not impossible, so Drew is still possible.

Bulge/Geraint i just don’t see, and Dann’s reads are the most off from mine of everyone.

Marcistar, knowing they likely can’t confirm themselves the next day, doesn’t make sense to risk Dann’s life, though, imo.

presumably gives a bunch of false positives/false false positives which is what the mod wanted, so i can buy it.

[geraintm]

think i've updated this with everything

Hu Tao - Mason
Flavor Leaf - Vanilla
Firebringer - Back up Mailman
Doctor Drew - Informed Night 1 PT Cop (checked Dann, not in private thread), Night 2 Traitor Finder Neighbor (checked Una and clear)
Dannflor - loyal babysitter (Una N1, Drew N2)
Nono - mason
The Bulge - Vanilla
UnaBombaH - mailman (N1 Drew, N2 GEraintm)
Geraint - Neighbor

[geraintm]

gera being "only a Neighbor" in a hood with a slot that claims to be informed+2 actions sounds somehow "unfair" and goofy to me now btw.
Also leading me to believe that one of them might just be scum.

I assumed drew would be a vanilla neighbour too. I said in the hood night 1 that I had no night actions, they replied saying it was odd inwoikd claim no night actions and I replied 'well, how likely is it a hood member will be out at night?'

I made the assumption from the start of the game that we were both just there chatting by our lonesomes and the game would swirl around us

[geraintm]

Was the town investigative roll being in a hood where they could share their results, admittedly a day late, something to help town? To me it helps Drew a bit because they could have stayed under the radar for longer but knowing their results would still get out?

[geraintm]

I don’t really see it as Geraint here unless Traitor, I guess.

I've never been a traitor before, I have zero idea how to be one but I think i would have done a bit more interacting with scum if I was.

[geraintm]

You forgot mafia have a cop?

[geraintm]

I knew going into setup spec was a mistake, but did it anyway.

So, I've been following along the last few days as best I can, setups are just not something I can ever wrap my head round.
I tried my best in the hood thread to work outbwhat the roles meant and stuff....I really did....but got no response so I assumed my guesses were not worth bothering with.

So to follow flavour and drew now , well I think they are likely both arguing with the best of intentions but it feels town vs town to me.
I have flavour as strong lean town, but I do know drew too. I don't want either ofnthem to go today.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I’m done with this game.

Flip me, and follow my solve. Or don’t and I’ll do an i told you so after.

Either way, works for me.

Leaf out

This is awful.

[geraintm]

i wonder if 1-shot pt cop would count as "the mafia having a cop" if it were mafia

even i had thought of that. would certainly be an interesting twist.
but i assume scum have a cop so they can find the traitor?
but that could be drew....

god it goes round in circles

[geraintm]

@FL

be straight up with me

are you frustrated people aren't clearing you more for pushing marci

if it is any help, i posted in the hood that i strongly read Flavour as town because of their commitment on getting marci elimianted. i wrote that on OCt 24th

[geraintm]

Basically, Flavour, Drew, Hu Toa and Nono are all off the table for me and i am only really interested in someone from

Firebringer
Dannflor
The Bulge
Una

for today.

[geraintm]

Voting masons is literally the dumbest move.

Agree.
We are hunting for 2 players, scum and traitor.
Scum is hunting for anyone but the traitor, I don't think they can risk killing about 4 of us and I hope they are forced to kill suboptimal.

[geraintm]

(Later in game this changes but true for now)

[geraintm]

I hate flavours play.
This game didn't need his extra special efforts.

Town had trapped scum into only a few slots with the claims, or the mason claim is fake and we get them anyways as Nono says.
We just play the odds, whittle down and catch scum.

I still dont quite want to include in my vote pile for today, but they've lost a lot of town equity.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Dannflor

Been waiting for someone to jump on me for literal days now. Outed scum.

you are making this up

We vote fire or Drew imo

Why?

I see them as most likely scum. Force scum to kill in masons

This ^^^

I don't think scum know who the traitor is and so have to shoot carefully.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Hua Tao

bad vote. nuaghty point

[geraintm]

Fire is obv town

i dont see it myself, but you do you

[geraintm]

Since you have seemed to miss it

i am not in favour in eliminating in masons, i think scum have to shoot there because they can't risk hitting the traitor. force them to kill one of them for us.
yes yes they can't be allowed to glide through till end game, but not yet.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Firebringer

[geraintm]

Marci does not die on my watch as scum

i believe this

[geraintm]

Can I have the list of claims again? I feel terrible irl.

think i've updated this with everything

Hu Tao - Mason
Flavor Leaf - Vanilla
Firebringer - Back up Mailman
Doctor Drew - Informed Night 1 PT Cop (checked Dann, not in private thread), Night 2 Traitor Finder Neighbor (checked Una and clear)
Dannflor - loyal babysitter (Una N1, Drew N2)
Nono - mason
The Bulge - Vanilla
UnaBombaH - mailman (N1 Drew, N2 GEraintm)
Geraint - Neighbor

I believe that is correct

[geraintm]

I have no idea what happened with Marci, there should have been no circumstances they got eliminated. if they did it for big brain play of setting up Drew then good for them, but they were already in a situation where i was strongly town leaning Drew and it would have been hard to get an elimination there, especially as they could haev sat back on "2 Neighbours, lets not go there" (though they didnt know about the masons for sure back then did they?)

[geraintm]

I am.not going to either hu toa or flavour today, if younreally wsnt me on a wagon going to have to be somewhere else.

[geraintm]

Today feels weird, I can't work out why everything Flavour is doing seems based on the idea of what Masons should or should not be doing. It is screwing over things.

[geraintm]

so, let me get this straight.

your plan Flavour is to kill Titus today and let scum kill Dann and thus you.

what do you think the rest of us do if someone else dies instead overnight?

[geraintm]

Titus has been killed! She was a

Vanilla townie

.
Night 3 will end in (expired on 2023-11-09 02:52:19)

well, this really helps with my growing paranoia in the game

[geraintm]

Also Dann you were supposed to be on FL. What happened?

suspicious, so so suspicious....

[geraintm]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

mwah

Was gonna catch up, but today feels like a lazy day so ig not

Ahhh! I am the ultimate jackass of all time.

2 posts!!!

I won't let this happen again

A tracker would have been nice for this night phase if don't nail scum here.

So I wasn't completely truthful with my claim, I am a JOAT.

One shot PT Cop, One shot Traitor Finder, One shot Tracker.

I tracked Fire to Flavor last night.

VOTE: Fire

i am happy to go with this fight today.
i am more than happy to take Drew's side in the fight.

With my post in the hood there is no way Drew would have killed Flavour

[geraintm]

im actually roaming, not loyal

i was hoping to actually catch the nk

i couldn't target FL because I already did N2

I targeted someone else last night but I probably shouldn't say who

suspicious, so so suspicious....

[geraintm]

VOTE: Fire

[geraintm]

I believe we have had 7 voices chime in

[geraintm]

I cannot see drew being scum, without them town has basically no solving abilities at all from what I can see. We would be trying to win this game on the back of 2 masons vs the weird scum neighbouriser and Drew's JOAT, because the mailman thing is basically useless

[geraintm]

I agree, firebringer most likely did kill FL last night.

There is no way Scum Drew would pick this fight.
I'm surprised they are not voting themselves at this point. Or can traitors not do the scum kill if they are the only one left? Does a traitor have to try to win through day votes only?

[geraintm]

fine

its not even funny to me right now.

I asked alisae if i could surrender and was denied.

Sorry.

[geraintm]

I was the miller

[geraintm]

Oh, three more things...

Geraint...why would you never claim that informed part of your role....?

Drew, great hiding of role. Played that very well. I knew something was weird about you being Informed of that, and Geraint being informed making the entire Neighborhood informed of it is something that would have eased that so much.

Una....your paranoia was out of control this game and it was like the basis of your entire play.

I didn't think it was relevant, we all knew there was a traitor. I was happy to be a vanilla neighbour in this game and felt vouching any extra info might have brought more notice onto me. Once you had me down as town I was thinking

A) I could slide through to end game safely
B) you might have been townnreading me sonstrongly because you were the mafia cop and had checked me and gotten the wrong answer

I was happy sitting there trusting my neighbour who I was 99% sure was town (I couldn't beleive a scenario where I was miller and theybwere scum, but scum might have thought I was the traitor. I reacted strongly day one to your miller claim to see if they kightbhave checked me.....but no one ever visits me in any game

[geraintm]

Was there a way of scum finding me with their roles?

[geraintm]

Was there a way of scum finding me with their roles?

not unless the cop could act (it couldn't but it just as easily could)

Ah, I assumed I could have been found so (having justvread the dead thread and flavour asking why I didn't say I was informed) it was why I wanted the Hood to remain undeclared for as long as possible so that the Mafia Cop might find me.

Ended up not being relevant at all