Open 906: AAAAAAHHHH I Ran out of Game Names!!! [Game Over]

[JacksonVirgo]

I want updated thoughts on fire in particular.

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t like how that post is framed, you once again say that I felt insulted which I personally feel I made clear that I wasn’t and I just expect to not be condescended. You also say there’s nothing more to say between us followed by more comments.

AtE can be labelled onto anything even remotely emotional and I’m honestly pretty sick of it. Do you think she shouldn’t be as emotionally driven as she is just because you aren’t? Firstly your positions are not the same, you are also difficult people. This sadly goes beyond this one specific game which I’ve been avoiding bringing up because it didn’t feel right but this is a constant barraged feeling across multiple (now closed, Im not referring to anything ongoing) games. This behaviour is nothing to suspect, she’s been feeing singled out across the board and this behaviour is incredibly telling of that particular feeling. This is not malicious AtE. This is just emotion. Just emotion.

Also if you’re deciding to lock-town me in an attempt to get me more on your side that won’t work fyi. Not saying anything by that just letting you know.

[JacksonVirgo]

Different people*

[JacksonVirgo]

The sooner we can get on the same page about that the better

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't, I find the way KJQ is playing kind of borderline unacceptable. it's a game, should be treated lightly. no one should be made feel bad because they're scumreading a player.

to the rest of your posting, I'd rather stop arguing.

Beyond my better judgement I’m trying to start a productive conversation with you with regards to Kay if that’s what you meant by arguing.

If you dislike the way she is playing, you dislike it. But that doesn’t make it scummy. I am in the honest belief that because of how she’s been treated in particular, it’s bolstering a very particular part of her playstyle and as such you’re not seeing her for what she is but more just how she responds to pressure which we’ve seen enough of. If you can just consider my words (considering you’re lock-towning me), drop this for a while. Push elsewhere, let her shine.

[JacksonVirgo]

Where your vote is means so little.

[JacksonVirgo]

If your vote matters that much, people must only be able to have a single scumread. A single push.

That’s how many votes we have.

[JacksonVirgo]

She has enough pressure, we got enough from the pressure on her. I’m suggesting lifting that, even just temporarily. Let her do her thing. Let her show us what she has.

[JacksonVirgo]

That’s all I have to say.

[JacksonVirgo]

What the fuck is your signature too

[JacksonVirgo]

I haven't cased her or anything like that. I asked why I'm such a lock scum. she didn't answer it, she did that emotionally filled paragraph and refused to answer. I said - okay, you do you. but yes I'm scumreading said paragraph, and I explained it, to you. she is not the slot I'm pushing to flip right now. I don't know what else you want from me.

I won’t argue this because it won’t change shit. Give her space to get back to a good headspace, let her explain herself. It can be hard to express your thoughts effectively when you feel like the world is against you.

Just because you have a main push doesn’t mean you aren’t also pushing for others. Or diminishing anothers thoughts. Based on what she said, she feels like you were also being condescending which Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say it was accidental or even a language barrier thing but it’s still happening. It’s obviously affecting her.

Focus primarily on anybody but her, give her enough space. I’m clearly not saying for the whole game that’s stupid, but enough.

Thank you, I’m moving on.

What’s your thoughts on Fire?

[JacksonVirgo]

Thoughts on what I said about him prodding the flames?

[JacksonVirgo]

Didn’t even realise the fire/flame connection, that’s hilarious

[JacksonVirgo]

when I was reading after I replaced in, fire mindmelded with my thoughts while catching up enough that I'm confident this is town!fire

See, I also thought that to a differing degree but that coupon is expiring fast.

[JacksonVirgo]

Thoughts on what I said about him prodding the flames?

I think if you expand on it, I can answer. Im not sure I understand what you're suggesting

I believe they’ve recently only done things to make the dissonance within the town stronger, which would imply that you’re town which is why I’m so interested in this thought. Their activity had dipped substantially which considering the “my side” (me, Jake, Kay) I believe is all town and then you existing, if you’re also town there’s a pretty substantial chance it’s fire here just watching town fight against town, throwing gasoline on the fire when necessary to keep it lit

[JacksonVirgo]

Thoughts on what I said about him prodding the flames?

do you have any examples of this?

I’m dealing with a bad headache so direct examples will have to wait, if you look at their recent posting it’s all seeming like they just want to keep the split as it is. Can you read a little bit of their iso and tell me if you can see that as well, genuinely curious if this is a thought worth building on more.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Kay, can you give me thoughts on Fire?

[JacksonVirgo]

Townreading you doesn’t make him town

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t like settling on consolidation wagons when I’m only just putting my toes in the water in a push that isn’t you

[JacksonVirgo]

I appreciate you giving it the time of day, I am already aware fire is gonna be someone difficult to catch as a wolf so I didn’t start this expecting an easy time

[JacksonVirgo]

Townreading you doesn’t make him town

thats not what I said. I said his consistent townread on me, when he is a townie, makes you look bad on his eyes, probably. he even told you this directly.

I know what read he’s digging his feet into, he also seeded reasons to scumread you indirectly

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't mind if we take our time with this game as this is probably the hardest game I've played this year

this is kind of a wild statement lol

This post in particular

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m not saying it’s potent, he’s a good wolf it’s going to be subtle.

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I misread it, my bad

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't mind if we take our time with this game as this is probably the hardest game I've played this year

this is kind of a wild statement lol

This post in particular

ugh I don't think he meant anything AI by it

Ugh?

[JacksonVirgo]

I know you town-read him, suspend that bias and look at it with a particular mindset. Tell me what you see.

[JacksonVirgo]

He’s generally acting townie, I’m aware.

[JacksonVirgo]

But deeper like reaching into a lucky dip. Gotta get the good stuff under the surface

[JacksonVirgo]

That’s what I’m attempting to do

[JacksonVirgo]

There isn’t scum in Jake/Kay. You say there’s no scum in Gimli and obv yourself. I’m not a wolf. It for sure isn’t halfasleep now. Unless the scum is specifically in ming/purple/thom one of us is wrong. That pool Is almost entirely PoE aside from Thom.

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m not self-centred enough to just assume I’m never wrong so I’m looking elsewhere.

[JacksonVirgo]

I’d rather die than jake/kay.

[JacksonVirgo]

Halfasleep is in that pool now too

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah you’re scumreading me/jake that’s right -_- bruh

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ll respond to your stuff soon halfasleep, my head is pounding so fuckin bad

[JacksonVirgo]

That extends to you fire sorry

[JacksonVirgo]

jackson i know you think that i am trying to maintain the division in town which is kind of fair bc i was annoyed at the game and didn't really do much to try to heal it

but i am fairly confident in gimli town, and i know that mathematically there has to be at least 1 town in kay/jackson/jake, and gamestate read i think there's probably two

if that town can find gimli as town then suddenly this game becomes much more playable and solvable. so currently that is my goal

i do additionally believe there is probably 1 scum in that group of 3 but i don't particularly care about them right now, id rather try to talk to whoever is town there and hopefully they're open to listening

I am open to listening, I’m not interested in following logic based on PoE or arguments against myself obviously. It’s going to be difficult to convince me against kay/jake and now halfasleep so if you want my brain. Look outside of that for today. If you don’t want gimli, there’s a second wolf we can look for them together.

I do agree with halfasleeps conclusion, I am fairly okay with labelling you town for now. I saw one possible avenue for you being scum, I wanted to shift the town to a more productive place so
I started pushing that but got convinced against it pretty quickly lol which I expected

[JacksonVirgo]

I’d rather die than jake/kay.

Why?
According to your claim, you are a town, assuming they are also a town, What is the difference? Especially since you should be completely sure what your role is, and less about theirs
Or is it like metaphorical Thing

Hyperbole to make a point

[JacksonVirgo]

- if i've learned anything in this game so far it's that i may be even more annoying than i thought i was -

fwiw i think your posting has been very measured and reasonable and pleasant and not annoying at all, if you are indeed new then welcome and i hope to see you around in more games

this is a pocket attempt

Seconded, I needed a voice like yours and you humouring my idea like you did and ISOing fire was hugely appreciated. I respect it a lot, thank you

[JacksonVirgo]

Also a pocket attempt

[JacksonVirgo]

i was just going to joke that you were scum because you seconded the pocket attempt and you beat me to it

foiled again. we'll get em next time

Haha!
You can’t catch me!!

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t like Gimlis approach to this game. To put it simply it all feels like he wants to push a particular conclusion and builds a case around that instead of what town should be doing which is the exact opposite.

When you say you don't like the appraoch to the game, are you saying that you think this is a scum!Gimli approach? Or is this a more geenral statement?

There isn’t scum in Jake/Kay. You say there’s no scum in Gimli and obv yourself. I’m not a wolf. It for sure isn’t halfasleep now. Unless the scum is specifically in ming/purple/thom one of us is wrong. That pool Is almost entirely PoE aside from Thom.

Why are you so sure there isn't a scum in Jake/Kay?

Rereading/comparing Purple/mings ISO now

Don’t like = I think it’s scummy.
I was planning on going in depth about Jake, I’ve explained Kay.

[JacksonVirgo]

Second VT claim did I miss one?

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t really like the ming wagon aint gonna lie

[JacksonVirgo]

scum would know the vt claimants, ofc

So…you?

[JacksonVirgo]

Kay thoughts on Mango?

[JacksonVirgo]

Kay thoughts on Mango?

Not my favorite fruit but I don’t scumread him atm. Maybe because he’s purple.

I don’t either, but I also don’t think the solve is Thom/Gimli because that would make me a god.

If Gimli is a wolf, where do you think the second is?

I am pretty sure it isn’t ming here

[JacksonVirgo]

What’s the current VC

[JacksonVirgo]

I haven’t either obviously but seems too easy

[JacksonVirgo]

Ming where’s your vote rn?

[JacksonVirgo]

They’re not even voting for self pres. Get your votes off this duude

[JacksonVirgo]

The wagons foundation is pure ass

[JacksonVirgo]

They’re not voting for self pres

[JacksonVirgo]

Ming is town. Lets get back on track

[JacksonVirgo]

what kind of track are you hoping for?

Not ming.

Gimli > Thom > Mango

That order of preference

[JacksonVirgo]

They’re not even voting for self pres. Get your votes off this duude

i forgor VOTE: Gimli

e-1 vs e-1 with a coaster as tiebreaker is a truly a sight to behold
i had no idea this kind of thing could happen outside of lylo

What a time to be alive!

[JacksonVirgo]

Two VCs in one page, we’re getting spoiled

[JacksonVirgo]

This is the goofiest thing if you’re not seeing ming is town here

[JacksonVirgo]

im trying to decide how i feel about ming voting gimli after jackson says he's town for not doing self-pres

i definitely feel something

Yeah, they wouldn’t. I’m clearly townreading them partially for it they’d probably double down and not vote them to risk me going “oh nvm”

[JacksonVirgo]

Confbias is possible, but for rn I don’t care lel

[JacksonVirgo]

I say partially but that’s all I said I think

[JacksonVirgo]

im trying to decide how i feel about ming voting gimli after jackson says he's town for not doing self-pres

i definitely feel something

Yeah, they wouldn’t. I’m clearly townreading them partially for it they’d probably double down and not vote them to risk me going “oh nvm”

At least I feel he wouldn’t immediately, doing it as a quote to what I said is incredibly risky.

[JacksonVirgo]

I wanna vote Jake for that

[JacksonVirgo]

is it too late to flip jake

We’re not voting jake dude

[JacksonVirgo]

We’re voting scum. If we’re pivoting it’s to Thom

[JacksonVirgo]

awesomeming327 (4): Gimli, Thomith, halfasleep, fireisredsir [E-1]
Gimli (4): KayJayQueue, JacksonVirgo, Jake The Wolfie, awesomeming327 [E-1]

my wagon is dirty as all hell

btw I'm not claiming

mango you decide what to do

You’re at E-1, you should be claiming

[JacksonVirgo]

Self hammer? Lol?

[JacksonVirgo]

they'll kill fireisred at night and I'll eat the d2 anyway, so it doesnt matter

JACKSONVIRGO YOU WILL FLIP MING

AND THEN YOU WILL FLIP YOUR FRIENDS BECAUSE THERE'S MAFIA BETWEEN THEM

Like I’d ever listen to you

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Thom

Initially I had thought why fire hadn’t been killed but I guess mason death voids that thought.

[JacksonVirgo]

This kill comes from someone specific. I can’t think of who yet but one in fire/asleep/thom.

[JacksonVirgo]

Jake doesn’t usually die over myself or fire. Scum either want fire alive longer, or something was caught with enough confidence to kill a pretty generalised nobody over someone more vocal.

I caught what I believed to be a masonry soft of theirs pretty early in the game, I don’t expect a few others to have also gotten it so that’s the PoE of people I expect to have also done that. I don’t want to reveal the post in question, but that should be obvious enough as to why.

[JacksonVirgo]

I doubted I did over fire considering I full pushed a town lim but was possible

[JacksonVirgo]

I townread the others, I also scumread your slot d1. Is it not obvious why I’m voting you in particular?

[JacksonVirgo]

The JV/Kay in a general statement as is purple/ming. You’re not the only one pushing those ideas

[JacksonVirgo]

I could say you’re taking the widest entrance you can to see how the day takes it

[JacksonVirgo]

I dislike that entrance pretty substantially but wanted to wake up a bit before thinking on it cuz it’s prime risk of confbias

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: ming

Want to double check the VCs, but I still do genuinely think this is scum.

Last time Jackson went this hard against me, I was town and he was scum, which makes me aware I could be biased because of that.

I push hard regardless, it just happened to be you when I was scum that one time

[JacksonVirgo]

Thoms entrance is filled with opportunism hoping to capitalise on TvT counterwagons d1. It’s clear the kill was a mechanical one over one based on jakes position. He also comes in with one of the worst takes imaginable (I am biased) on ming to justify a vote there, before his vote he spread his feelers so incredibly wide essentially calling everybody out as an option except the two globally townread people, it genuinely feels like he didn’t want to make a stance prematurely. Him committing to a vote right after I said this too is awfully convenient timing and he seems to be trying to pocket me and keep me in lim range with him talking about how I’m treating him which is a weird feeling to say the least

[JacksonVirgo]

They’re not even voting for self pres. Get your votes off this duude

i forgor VOTE: Gimli

e-1 vs e-1 with a coaster as tiebreaker is a truly a sight to behold
i had no idea this kind of thing could happen outside of lylo

This post felt like pure self preservation rather than attempting to vote scum.

What? If I were given a choice between me (who I know is town) and someone else (regardless of my read on them) I'd pick the someone else because they always have a greater probability of being scum than I am?

So true, pop off king

[JacksonVirgo]

Sure but you’re still trying to position yourself a particular way

[JacksonVirgo]

That’s a vast oversimplification

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ll elaborate on that in particular soon

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry for tunneling Day 1. Mostly.

I had no clue there were masons so if there was a breadcrumb I definitely missed it, oops lol

Never back down!

[JacksonVirgo]

maybe it's time to stop pretending

Bros about to enter his super saiyan form

[JacksonVirgo]

This kill comes from someone specific. I can’t think of who yet but one in fire/asleep/thom.

this is likely correct btw

I’m glad you agree, it’s quite obvious to me

[JacksonVirgo]

Don’t worry I’ll push Jackson if you flip green

[JacksonVirgo]

I knew Thom’s posting was making me feel too good about him, I can’t forget the rest of his slot.

While I like this attitude, I do think it’s a little confbias cuz while I agree with it, it’s not as if a town cant play awfully and then a replacement does good. I’m not fully convinced it’s Thom but I’m fairly sure what there is against him and the townread on the other two makes me feel good about this

[JacksonVirgo]

Don’t worry I’ll push Jackson if you flip green

Self vote Day 3 or I'm never talking to you again

Only if he flips town smh

[JacksonVirgo]

You*

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean it’s already clear you think I’m tunnelled, we can move on from that now

[JacksonVirgo]

And lmfao nah not a joke I’m fully committing to it fr fr

[JacksonVirgo]

Fwiw halfasleeps entrance got me a little suspicious but not as much as yours

[JacksonVirgo]

Definitely open wolfing

[JacksonVirgo]

I would never tunnel smh

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t particularly like how you consider this a tunnel considering you weren’t on my radar yesterday really, and I’m scumreading you and am voting you based on things even beyond just you. It’s easy to try and label it as a tunnel to try and strawman my arguments and I specifically asked you to move on from this as it’s doing nothing for either of us

[JacksonVirgo]

And by radar I mean my end of day push, I overgeneralised that

[JacksonVirgo]

And by radar I mean my end of day push, I overgeneralised that

you

did

suggest pivoting to thomith during the final voting.

I never expected it to actually happen, I really wanted gimli out

[JacksonVirgo]

Fwiw halfasleeps entrance got me a little suspicious but not as much as yours

which part specifically?

The reaction/feelings for the flip happening felt a little like trying to seperate from a scum mindset but its also just as easily just how you felt so I disregarded it mostly

[JacksonVirgo]

I have a cracked solve guys, I’ve done it.


halfasleep/purplemango

don't give up i'm sure it could still be gimli somehow.

Gimli flipped scum, just a green one.

[JacksonVirgo]

The worse my headache gets, the more I think it's Purple/ming

Hm actually i don't think they make the Jake kill

You’re starting to understand :O

[JacksonVirgo]

They’re someone I would consider very capable of catching softs like I did

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you disagree?

[JacksonVirgo]

The worse my headache gets, the more I think it's Purple/ming

Hm actually i don't think they make the Jake kill

You’re starting to understand :O

I still don't understand why halfaseep is in your PoE for this?

The only other option is you lol

I mean, there’s also fire and myself.

[JacksonVirgo]

They’re someone I would consider very capable of catching softs like I did

So you townread me because I’m stupid
I’ll take what I can get lol

I would never say that, because you’re not stupid <3

[JacksonVirgo]

Hm, why didn’t you say me at first? Knowing what your stance on me is

[JacksonVirgo]

Hm, why didn’t you say me at first? Knowing what your stance on me is

@thom

[JacksonVirgo]

Also maybe Jackson

I’m not allowed to sus him, it’s part of the pocket contract I signed.

Perfect response

[JacksonVirgo]

i think thominth is coming across as uninformed here

if he's scum he's doing a very good job at faking

No comment, where are you at right now?

[JacksonVirgo]

Hm, why didn’t you say me at first? Knowing what your stance on me is

@thom

I'm confused what your question is?

When adding to who applies to what Kay was saying was just you and halfasleep, you said fire and then appended me on after in a seperate post.

Would you not think of me first and foremost considering your stance on me? Me being appended at the end feels like what the “panic” I do when I immediately realised I accidentally omitted/forgot something I shouldn’t have (as scum)

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait

[JacksonVirgo]

Fuck the blue avatars made me mix you two TWICE now. My bad, forgive

[JacksonVirgo]

genuinely no idea how to sort between purple/ming but i think it's exactly one of them

I’m confident it’s not ming, of course could be wrong. Its one if { you, asleep, thom } and then purple.

I’m willing to vote purple

[JacksonVirgo]

genuinely no idea how to sort between purple/ming but i think it's exactly one of them

I think it’s purple with a good partner

Holy fuck, I am so glad I threw you in the town bin

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Purple

Fuck it we ball

[JacksonVirgo]

My “no comment” was that I somewhat saw what you were but I wanted the current conversation to clear up.

[JacksonVirgo]

They’re someone I would consider very capable of catching softs like I did

As in is she a smart player? I see that 100% but I feel like catching softs takes a decent amount of experience?

I don't know if/how much experience halfasleep has elsewhere, but I feel like from my (limited) experience, we soft very differently here than most other places?

Smart has nothing to do with it (not saying she’s not) just the capability of catching and holding onto a soft and killing them in particular.

[JacksonVirgo]

So you agree with my assessment?

[JacksonVirgo]

Halfasleep/Purple really does seem like the convenient solve

[JacksonVirgo]

I think looking for softs is beneficial regardless of alignment, I do it as much as I can. In secret of course

[JacksonVirgo]

I think it’s purple and halfasleep/thom pretty solidly atm but no one should listen to me seriously

Just listen to Jack lol

I’m always listening to you, we’ve been converging in reads a lot throughout the game. Not in a pockety way cuz you’ve said shit before I said shit a lot of the times

[JacksonVirgo]

But yes, everyone listen to me

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m confident it’s not kay, fire or myself. I’m also confident it isn’t ming. I did start feeling what fire was feeling wrt Thom.

Is it really this easy?

[JacksonVirgo]

I say easy not to insult btw, it’s never to insult

[JacksonVirgo]

A necessary sacrifice

[JacksonVirgo]

That’s not happening

[JacksonVirgo]

Push who you think is a wolf, there’s no need to conform this early in the day

[JacksonVirgo]

Halfasleeps vibe has completely shifted

[JacksonVirgo]

if it’s halfasleep, and not purple. They wouldn’t be acting this way. If it’s halfasleep, it should also then be purple by extension.

[JacksonVirgo]

if it’s halfasleep, and not purple. They wouldn’t be acting this way. If it’s halfasleep, it should also then be purple by extension.

Are you actually town?

Last time I checked

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t know why you’d be so demotivated here?

[JacksonVirgo]

This looks like a town-losing state?

Literally the same brain holy shit

[JacksonVirgo]

Halfasleeps vibe has completely shifted

to be fair the entire thread suddenly turned against her

i would expect her vibe to shift if she were town here as well

You raise a decent point, to a degree

[JacksonVirgo]

Most of the actual pressure is on purple, I don’t get the demotivation here. If the push is what she considers bad, why does she immediately feel the need to conform or do nothing.

[JacksonVirgo]

Where did thom go

[JacksonVirgo]

once again i don't think the endless piling on is, like, useful at all, but maybe that's just me idk

can solve the game without it being so vicious

Where are we being vicious? That seems a tad extreme

[JacksonVirgo]

Id say my push on Gimli would be closer (which sorry dude, the thread locked before I could clarify what i meant)

[JacksonVirgo]

pressure is useful i guess maybe im just soft

Where was this when Kay was being piled on

[JacksonVirgo]

This looks like a town-losing state?

Literally the same brain holy shit

i think if the currently popular poe is followed-through on and we never lim ming or kay, we lose. maybe it's less set-in-stone than it looks but y'all look pretty decided.

Sure, but the outcome of the day isn’t set in stone. It literally just started

[JacksonVirgo]

I always show confidence, always. To the degree I get called tunnelled ever single game when I’m not, if that’s what you’re seeing it’s not like I’m locked in on you just as I wasn’t with Thom even though he believed I was

[JacksonVirgo]

Where did thom go

To cook.

LET HIM COOK

LET. HIM. COOK

[JacksonVirgo]

This looks like a town-losing state?

Literally the same brain holy shit

i think if the currently popular poe is followed-through on and we never lim ming or kay, we lose. maybe it's less set-in-stone than it looks but y'all look pretty decided.

I think the PoE is being used to determine one scum, not both tbf.

I'm still convinced theres one scum in Jackson/Kay.

It isn’t Kay. If you think this, push me

[JacksonVirgo]

[JacksonVirgo]

This looks like a town-losing state?

Literally the same brain holy shit

i think if the currently popular poe is followed-through on and we never lim ming or kay, we lose. maybe it's less set-in-stone than it looks but y'all look pretty decided.

I think the PoE is being used to determine one scum, not both tbf.

I'm still convinced theres one scum in Jackson/Kay.

It isn’t Kay. If you think this, push me

Stop playing mind games it's mean.

It’s not a mind game

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s not ming, and it’s not Kay. I’m willing to die if it means they don’t

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s not ming, and it’s not Kay. I’m willing to die if it means they don’t

Don’t you dare

I’ll cheer you on from the dead PT

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s not ming, and it’s not Kay. I’m willing to die if it means they don’t

Don’t you dare

I’ll cheer you on from the dead PT

You’re better at the game than me, just let me die if one of us has to go.

We’ve been pretty much the exact same wavelength though, you got the conclusion I am at way earlier than I did

[JacksonVirgo]

Mason* I’m not really 100% if the other side of it is correct. I’m stopping this topic here though

[JacksonVirgo]

Mason* I’m not really 100% if the other side of it is correct. I’m stopping this topic here though

Something a Mason would say

*sweats profusely*

[JacksonVirgo]

*sweats even fucking more*

[JacksonVirgo]

halfasleep/fireisred seems like a pretty real scumteam

Not really, just based on the fact that as I said earlier and kay just now. You’d have to argue why halfasleep would position themselves the way they have if they weren’t exactly partnered with purple.

Otherwise it’d be halfasleep/purple or another pairing. I don’t know if fire is ever realistically paired with anybody else

[JacksonVirgo]

Where’d everyone go lol

I don't hugely have anything else to say right now.

The purple wagon concerns me because 2 people from the "PoE" are advocating for that execution, which makes me worried scum are behind that wagon.

I still think ming is scum.

So you think there’s no merit in our purple/halfasleep solve? Is that just because you’re wary of me and Jack?

I'm wary that both Jackson and fire are in the "PoE" of people that might have seen a Mason soft (along with me/maybe asleep but im not too convinced about that one), and both are advocating for a purple fade, and because I know I'm town, from my POV, it seems like there is a high likelihood that at least one scum want purple out.

Humour me, assuming you knew the wolves were sleepy and purple. Does it fit? Does it work?

[JacksonVirgo]

To be honest, I don't think I was expected to be the one to come up with the fact that Jake is Mason in the first place
I would still probably try to nightkill someone else (for example the other mason or something)

Can you rephrase this?

[JacksonVirgo]

To be honest, I don't think I was expected to be the one to come up with the fact that Jake is Mason in the first place
I would still probably try to nightkill someone else (for example the other mason or something)

Can you rephrase this?

to be fair i don't think i was expected to understand the fact that jake is mason, considering it was mostly around specific players

Still in this situation I would prefer to nightkill someone else, for example try to get the other mason or something

Is it more clear?

Right, the soft I specifically caught has the other mason kind of fuzzy but with who I think it is I don’t think one kill or the other is all that much of a difference. I also never expected you specifically to catch the softs, you could but I think there’s a more capable partner that did. Capable in the sense of seeing the softs, not general capabilities.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Thom is pretty obviously positioned in an uninformed way. Fire calling that out makes him more trustworthy even with all he already had. I’m not wolf. The only person I can realistically see catching the softs that don’t inherently have a lot of scum equity (that I cant shake) would be sleepy.

And sleepy is only partnered with you in most worlds. That’s pretty much why I scum read you specifically, sorry that its not really something you can tackle directly I don’t super envy your position

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m good to pivot to sleepy, from my reads its the suboptimal elim but I’m willing to consolidate

[JacksonVirgo]

i actually wasn't making the assumption at all that scum was on the ming wagon. what posts gave you the impression people were thinking that?

This kill comes from someone specific. I can’t think of who yet but one in fire/asleep/thom.

jackson said this before pivoting into talking about the 'soft'. is there another obvious connection between these three players that i'm missing?

I wasn’t at all thinking about the wagon formation

[JacksonVirgo]

well not as soon as i saw it

about 45 seconds later

Details Matter

[JacksonVirgo]

i actually wasn't making the assumption at all that scum was on the ming wagon. what posts gave you the impression people were thinking that?

This kill comes from someone specific. I can’t think of who yet but one in fire/asleep/thom.

jackson said this before pivoting into talking about the 'soft'. is there another obvious connection between these three players that i'm missing?

id be interested to know if that's what jackson meant i guess

i had the exact same thought as him as soon as i saw the kill but it didn't have anything to do with the ming wagon so i assumed it wasn't about that

I thought my thought process was obvious, it’s speculation on the kill not the ming wagon

[JacksonVirgo]

Are you purposefully misunderstanding?

[JacksonVirgo]

Are you trying to get me to slip up as to who I believe the other mason is?

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m good to pivot to sleepy, from my reads its the suboptimal elim but I’m willing to consolidate

Should we pivot? We’re getting nowhere. I don’t know what the best course of action is here.

The gamestate is frozen yeah, lets go for it

VOTE: Halfasleep

[JacksonVirgo]

Split between the two

[JacksonVirgo]

Split between the two

Split between whom?

Sleepy and purple

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: halfasleep

[JacksonVirgo]

Was I? Bruh this game is too slow it’s giving me brain rot lol

[JacksonVirgo]

Congrays

[JacksonVirgo]

Kay you had impressively good day 2 reads

That’s what happens when you emerge from a tunnel, you see things clearly lol

Town was in disarray until we got the flip I wanted, then the town chain limmed the wolves.

Moral of the story, sheep me (and Kay)

[JacksonVirgo]

I do not wish to resurrect dead drama unnecessarily, this needs to be spoken about and not left buried and I wanted to wait for post-game to bring it up. I am also not poking fingers and I’d rather this be constructive as much as possible.

Firstly I want to apologise, there are some things in the early part of the game I feel bad about or that I personally could have worded nicer. I apologise to Gimli specifically for my poor choice of wording surrounding EoD1 and I could have handled the situation with Jupiter better, even though the latter I still stick by the core of my words.

The way Kay specifically but also others were treated D1 was simply unacceptable, Jupiter had apologised in the dead PT and I do not want to speak for Kay or Jake on whether that apology is acceptable or not, and I also don’t want to beat a dead horse but the way people brushed what he did off because of him dealing with something is not okay, if you don’t stand up against shitty behaviour you’re essentially saying it’s okay to do.

The way Black in particular had treated Kay and to a small degree even myself was even worse.
Having cliques and siding with particular people slightly more just happens, maliciously targeting other people should not. Jupiter at the time had insulted Jake and told Kay to disrespectfully “shut the fuck up” twice which is not okay even if he was having a rough time irl. Kay called what he was doing immature, and I stood up against what was happening. Put simply, Black decided to victim blame and call out Kay for being rude (for lack of remembering the exact wording) and me for egging him on.

That is unacceptable behaviour. Period.

[JacksonVirgo]

Regarding the game itself, I’m super proud of Kay like oml. She got the solve way before me and was right. That was so cool how town just happened to gain extreme clarity so quickly after having TvT counterwagons d1.

[JacksonVirgo]

I tried my best to fix the absolute obvious pairing Jake and I had lmao and according to sleepy in thr dead PT it almost worked lmao.

I am curious what the thought process was shooting Jake specifically. I don’t see much benefit there for the wolves

[JacksonVirgo]

The way Black in particular had treated Kay and to a small degree even myself was even worse.
Having cliques and siding with particular people slightly more just happens, maliciously targeting other people should not. Jupiter at the time had insulted Jake and told Kay to disrespectfully “shut the fuck up” twice which is not okay even if he was having a rough time irl. Kay called what he was doing immature, and I stood up against what was happening. Put simply, Black decided to victim blame and call out Kay for being rude (for lack of remembering the exact wording) and me for egging him on.

That is unacceptable behaviour. Period

I disagree with this completely. I don't think I was rude to Kay at all. I asked her if she could stop with the personal insults. "Maliciously targeting" is a wild interpretation of me asking her to stop calling people names

As far as Jupiter goes, he made the "please shut the fuck up" comment less than 60 seconds after I asked Kay to stop. I didn't even see his comments when I asked and by the time I did see it I was tired of the bickering and I just wanted to move on

This interpretation of how I treated Kay (and you apparently?) is so off base

Kay didn’t personally insult them at all, she didn’t call anybody names. She said what Jupiter was doing was immature, which it was. You didn’t comment on a single thing Jupiter had done. You focused on the people not taking his shit. That’s not a good look.

[JacksonVirgo]

Good job Purple for clocking the masons, I had no clue whatsoever! Jack your PoE was so off!!

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[JacksonVirgo]

Kay didn’t personally insult them at all, she didn’t call anybody names. She said what Jupiter was doing was immature, which it was. You didn’t comment on a single thing Jupiter had done. You focused on the people not taking his shit. That’s not a good look

I don't think Jupiter crossed a line until he told her to stfu so I didn't feel the need to comment on anything he said before that

Regardless, there's a big difference between "not a good look" and "maliciously targeting"

It's perfectly fine if you both dislike me. I couldn't care less. Let's agree that the three of us can't get along and move on

Whether or not I like you has nothing to do with it. You’re avoiding responsibility

[JacksonVirgo]

I am not responsible for "unacceptable behavior" like you are accusing me of

Take it up with the mod team if you feel so pressed about it. I will no longer be engaging with you

Will do

[JacksonVirgo]

me for egging him on.

also uhhh what so if black hadn't told you to stop yelling at me you would've just kept doing it??? i'm not saying what i did was acceptable but at the time i felt genuinely very stressed out and at my worst and your messages felt extremely. idk what the word is. it felt really cruel for lack of a better word. like you were trying to get a reaction out of me

You didn’t even say it was something serious for a decent while when our back and forth was happening, I’m not a mindreader brother.

I also apologised for how I acted this game so I am very aware about what I did wrong surrounding both you and Gimli. Sorry you felt it was cruel, I never intended it to be such I just didn’t like nobody calling out your behaviour which I’m sure you can understand