Mini 1732 - Super Smash Bros. Project M(afia) - D7!

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #836 (isolation #200) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:13 am

Dang this might be one of those epic, super duper wins for Town. Yay! I've always wanted one of those!

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #841 (isolation #201) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:19 am

Xt, do you have a read on Tails at all?

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #843 (isolation #202) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:22 am

@Mod[/],

Can we get a Vote count please?

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #844 (isolation #203) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:22 am

In post 843, LicketyQuickety wrote:
@Mod
,

Can we get a Vote count please?

EBWOP

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #847 (isolation #204) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:39 am

Go ahead and Vote Xt, its not the hammer yet.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #849 (isolation #205) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:45 am

In post 848, Xtoxm wrote:he made me a survivor, told me my flavour was safe to claim, and told someone else my flavour is not town.

im allowed to be annoyed about that.

So the Mod explicitly stated that you had a safe claim and you did not?

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #851 (isolation #206) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:54 am

In post 850, Xtoxm wrote:he explicitly told me ganondorf was safe to claim

Yikes.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #857 (isolation #207) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:30 am

In post 856, Wanderer-nl wrote:No I'm just being an idiot trying to make sense of all this (scum probably wouldn't claim neutral survivor as it's a PL). I'm thinking why a role would get info on other roles. I have ongoing reasons which really sucks I can't get into it more but that's part of my hesitation to vote. The bigger part is that I'm still waiting for a vc.

For cripes sake, these are all the votes.

In post 773, Xtoxm wrote:VOTE: wander

other thought is link/zelda (dav/sonic) are a 2p scum team if multiball but i dont think dav would have claimed so willingly if so

In post 790, Metal Sonic wrote:VOTE: xtoxm

In post 806, GuiltyLion wrote:Kinda want Xt's latest thoughts on Davsto but no problems with lynching a survivor claim

Like seriously Davsto I think you should hard claim a flavor if Xtoxm says you own a triforce, because we have Zelda and Ganon claims already and you're starting to defend yourself entirely by theory-spec

VOTE: Xtoxm

In post 837, Davsto wrote:VOTE: Xtoxm

It's always tough to be given survivor. Sorry, bro.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #861 (isolation #208) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:49 am

In post 860, Xtoxm wrote:scum might not have safeclaims either btw so be careful with massclaim

Funny that you mention it because I was wondering if we might break this game right now.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #867 (isolation #209) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:17 am

upload

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #897 (isolation #210) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:38 pm

In post 893, Gendaberry wrote:Xtoxm, given that you want to get lynched anyways, what's your full claim? You shouldn't really have a problem with that given the situation.

Also LQ, I'm going to get this out of the way and say I'm not claiming my full role. I can guarantee that at the very least my role includes being a miller and being detected as visiting someone who dies every night, but that's all you're going to get for now.

Hey Genda, sorry for getting your name wrong, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on... pretty much anything right now. A lot of shit has happened in the thread and you taking a very inactive approach to all this is a little concerning. Would you mind giving me a few scum reads please?

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #911 (isolation #211) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:03 pm

In post 908, ika wrote:
In post 906, Firebringer wrote:
In post 903, ika wrote:
fire you town buddy? i want to work with you

You know i don't like this question >.>

actualy i dont......

sorry, here how about this one then, have you made a bad name for yourself?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I wouldn't be surprised if you were in some triple survivor roles madness going on in this game. FWIW.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #913 (isolation #212) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:07 pm

In post 912, ika wrote:fire and i can atone to bastar level stuff cus the setup form what i have seen so far is mild

lel

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #918 (isolation #213) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:19 pm

In post 914, ika wrote:
In post 913, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 912, ika wrote:fire and i can atone to bastar level stuff cus the setup form what i have seen so far is mild

lel

its true, you try a role that can make people flip like something else.

you try a game with cult that makes people jesters

you try a game thats 5 sided mafia

you try a game where is cult based on mechanics

I guess I can't compete. Well, maybe a little. I was an unkillable role once - that was fun (doesn't say the half of it. I claimed a N0 random investigate passive w/ treestump and never got lynched). I was in a game with 6 alignments - heavily alignment intertwined ofc. In that game I had a mild role of mason 1-shot vig. don't get me started on what the SK looked like.

I didn't start on this site.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p7332880

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #929 (isolation #214) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:45 am

In post 925, Firebringer wrote:
In post 922, Wanderer-nl wrote:
Have you been reading my post? I have a townread there. I'm not voting townreads.

Did you see my case on smiffle?

No, I didn't mind pointing it out for me?

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:12 am

In post 930, Tails wrote:
In post 640, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 631, Tails wrote:
Unvote
Vote Mario

@Lickety: Do you still have a Wanderer townread?

I have him as total Null right now.

Why were you townreading him so hard after his first post?

I was hoping they would be a player who has a slow start, but finishes strong.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:14 am

In post 931, Tails wrote:
In post 644, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 224, Tails wrote:

In post 223, LicketyQuickety wrote:
3.) OR, you know, everyone is Scum at this point and I'm trying to see who is Town first. AFAIK I still have my vote on the same person who I originally had my first Scum read on.

Why is you vote parking supposed to prove towniness?

Ha! I could ask you the same thing!

I'm not using it to defend myself. Answer the question.

Because it shows I was making a stance? IDK I didn't have much of a reason at the time.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:14 am

In post 940, Tails wrote:@Lickity: Wouldn't that have been more of a null-read, then? You defended him pretty hard.

He was looking like he was going to make a good effort to solve the game.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:18 am

In post 943, Tails wrote:Will you vote Wanderer with me?

If I'm voting Scum today I'm going to have to be pretty sure of it.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:22 am

In post 945, Tails wrote:He postured on Xtoxm pretty hard, voted him after putting on a show, then tried to end the day quickly after making a big deal on not wanting to rush the Xtoxm lynch with his vote. Wanderer is scum.

OK, so here is my really bad question I have about this. How sure are you that they are Scum on a scale of 1-10 where 10 is like confirmed. *Hint: don't say ten.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:27 am

In post 947, Tails wrote:8.5

The problem is that I don't exactly have you as my top Town read.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:30 am

In post 949, Tails wrote:Look:
Xtoxm is survivor. Not scum.
Nana is a mechanic.
I'm conf. town.
You, Alive, Ika, Smiffle, and Firebringer are super duper town.
Lion and Davsto are town, too, but less so.
That leaves Wanderer, Asp, and Genda. Genda will be confirmed one way or the other. That just leaves Wanderer and Asp, and Wanderer has scummy content.

I might have bought that if it wasn't for you saying you are confirmed Town.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:14 am

In post 951, Tails wrote:If you want to push this, you will lose.

Christ. How are you confirmed Town?

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:25 pm

@Everyone,

I think we need to lynch Xt today.

the longer we wait to lynch him the more problematic it gets for us. Right now we have no confirmed Scum... that should really be the only thing keeping us from lynching Xt. We already have one player we have to wait and see on which is Genda. I would really rather keep that kind of thing to a minimum if you get what I'm saying. When we start to get like 3 players that we are waiting on "finding out" stuff it gets really problematic real fast.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:31 pm

In post 962, Tails wrote:
In post 959, LicketyQuickety wrote:Right now we have no confirmed Scum...

And that's going to change on future days?

Why would you rather risk lynching a Townie than a neutral role? That makes literally no sense.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:37 pm

In post 964, smiffle wrote:But what will we have learned from Xt's lynch if we lynch him today?
Could the town use his vote to help with lynchs?
His lynch does seem like an easy one for scum to default to, but it'll probably always be that way as long as he's in the game...
I still want some time to think about this, but I see Dav and Licks' points.

I have an ability that triggers when I hammer.... so if anything we get that out of lynching Xt. If we lynch someone else, there's really no telling who it would be at this point. with so much up in the air, it only makes sense to go for the much safer option of lynching a known neutral. AND there will likely be a tone of info given during the night so there is that too.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:41 pm

And I have refrained for saying this for too long...

My day Vig was so GOAT. I have never made a play like that before and I am very proud of myself.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:46 pm

OK so we are lynching W-nl then?

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:52 pm

Lion is a pretty clear Town read of mine. Dave is like confirmed if my suspicions on something are correct.

I currently have Ika, ASP and you tail as ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Genda is a scum read as well as W-nl and Genda is going to sort itself out so we are lynching W-nl.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #974 (isolation #229) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:01 pm

In post 973, Tails wrote:I can tell you that Ika and MS have both been within their town meta.

Errr...

Sorry, but...

Oct. 4th?????

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #975 (isolation #230) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:20 pm

In post 64, GuiltyLion wrote:I have a ganondorf-read on Xtoxm, do not let him get that triforce

OK, wth is this?

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #978 (isolation #231) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:47 pm

In post 976, GuiltyLion wrote:my reads are accurate, bro

I still think claimed survivor is the best lynch, because Xtoxm could be scum lying and because Wanderer could be town (whereas Xtoxm is guaranteed non-town). But if you all feel like you have to lynch somebody else because Tails aggressively demands it, then Wanderer is the ideal choice, so I'm not gonna fight it.

In post 977, Wanderer-nl wrote:
In post 955, smiffle wrote:Wanderer, are you voting Xt because it's a policy lynch?
You scumread Lickety earlier, correct? Why did you never follow up with a vote on him?

Have you seen the amount of pages?

I'm not interested in reading more arguments about whether or not we lynch xtoxm. Survivor is a PL. End of story.

Some of my town reads have said we are not going that route so we are going to lynch W-nl. People who disagree with this I will be taking a closer look at.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #980 (isolation #232) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:18 pm

In post 979, Wanderer-nl wrote:If you agree then why isn;'t your vote on me yet?

Because I am going to hammer it.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #991 (isolation #233) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:15 pm

OK, who has meta on Bulbazak?

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #994 (isolation #234) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:18 pm

In post 992, Tails wrote:I was really hoping to make it more than one game before being outed. Trying to decide if I should keep up this alt's gimmick.

And that's why at this time I don't do alts.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #996 (isolation #235) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:24 pm

In post 995, Tails wrote:To be fair, I only made this alt to see what would happen if nobody knew I was the one behind the slot. I suspected a bit of bias in P4, and I wanted to know if I was suspected on just my actions or my reputation.

You know I was kinda thinking you were and alt because it pretty common for vet players to not really go into detail on their reads. Plus you obviously acted like you had played before.

so about the slip,

sorry, not sorry.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:28 pm

In post 999, Tails wrote:I assume I'm correct that you're a mechanic with no alignment?

Hell, no, not going to let you rolefish the bonus player.

Nana, don't answer that.

PEdit: Dammit Nana!

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:36 pm

Lets stop talking about Nana, its just as bad as going back and forth on killing a neutral.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:40 pm

K, I think Tails is Town.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:41 pm

In post 1014, ika wrote:
In post 1009, Tails wrote:
In post 1003, ika wrote:
In post 986, Tails wrote:@Ika: Or we could ignore it and let a possible vig take care of it. Besides, what scumhunting have you done outside of the survivor policy lynch?

Are you claiming vig? cus if not i think you should look at the idea of a vig not being here

Regardless, I disagree with the pl Survivor mindset. Look back at Capcom. I was adamant there, too. It's a lazy lynch option, especially on a slot that is not opposed to town.

and here a scum claimed neutral and won b/c town didnt lynch it

You of all people should know that most times im pro-survivor, but this is not the case right now. Day 1 is always the day for survivor lynches. days past that i might argue against it but here? no it dies

One of the reasons I wanted to keep Xt around is because I thought they were an ultra vet that could be really good for Town. Seeing that there are actually quite a few vets in this game I'm feeling much better lynching Xt.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:43 pm

In post 1019, Tails wrote:I also don't think I'm the only alt in the game.

Duh...

I actually think the mod is an alt fwiw.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:13 pm

In post 1021, Gendaberry wrote:Well Tails's plan seems pretty alright, I'm good with this.

VOTE: Wanderer

Also, what's the chance of Xtoxm being a jester instead of a survivor? I'm not sure how ika's role works, but I'm assuming jester would show up as non-town with it right? This doesn't matter much though if we're going to try and let vig deal with it anyways.

I read Xt saying they wanted out of the game as pretty genuine. Also, I'm going to go out on a limb and say jester doesn't really fit the theme too well, since, ya'know this is a Theme based on fighting each other

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:35 pm

what do you think the setup is like?

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:19 pm

Xt, if you are somehow a Town Survivor now's the time to speak up about that.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:36 pm

@Mod

,

Vote count please.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:46 pm

Dav, go ahead and vote W-nl now.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:51 pm

VOTE: Wanderer-nl

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:57 pm

In post 1043, Davsto wrote:That's L-1, LQ.

I made a derp and hammered without a claim because I was really sure the slot was scum. There are 13 players left in the game dav.

BTW Xt goes to endgame.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:59 pm

Like all my Town reads had voted W-nl, so I thought it was like unanimous that it was going to be a hammer besides the people that wanted Xt out of the game.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:00 am

Sorry for hammering without a claim. I should not have. This is what you get when you haven't slept and its 6AM.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:07 am

In post 1049, Wanderer-nl wrote:Btw, I was Roy, a modified PGO by day and a redirector by night. I think it's not a bad thing I was lynched over an investigator neutral. Just make sure that townies don't make the first vote in lylo.

What is PGO? And please tell me you were mafia or neutral.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:11 am

Damn. I will prolly eat rope for this.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:18 am

In post 1048, Wanderer-nl wrote:That's ok, I sucked and am preoccupied with the loss of a dear friend so in a way I'm actually relieved I got lynched here. This game was just too much for me right now but hoped I could get more time to get into this. Oh well, gl town.

I'm sorry for your loss. I have recently had a loss as well so I understand. Honestly, I think I am just using mafia as a distraction right now so I don't have to think about it.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:34 am

If at first you don't succeed...

VOTE: Xt

Thanks Ika.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:11 am

I didn't like the way things went down on G-nl and I am to blame for that. My reasons for voting Xt are the same as stated in the thread like a gazillion times so far. He's 3p and that's good enough reason for me. I thought we had Scum when we were lynching W-nl but since that didn't work I think we should take a more conservative approach.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:40 am

In post 1083, Grib wrote:
In post 1081, LicketyQuickety wrote:I didn't like the way things went down on G-nl and I am to blame for that. My reasons for voting Xt are the same as stated in the thread like a gazillion times so far. He's 3p and that's good enough reason for me. I thought we had Scum when we were lynching W-nl but since that didn't work I think we should take a more conservative approach.

Why did you say Xtoxm is going to endgame?

because I was being stupid.

Why were you more confident in Wanderer being scum than Xtoxm? You 'said it a gazillion times', but your Day-ending vote said the opposite.

I can't deny that. I'll just say Ika makes sense to me now.

What did you get out of hammering Wanderer?

Not going to answer that unless its looking like I'm getting lynched.

Also respond to the other questions, please.

Repeat the question?

LicketyQuickety · Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:48 am

In post 1087, Grib wrote:Your responses are underwhelming.

In post 1068, Grib wrote:
In post 1044, LicketyQuickety wrote:BTW Xt goes to endgame.

In post 1061, LicketyQuickety wrote:If at first you don't succeed...

VOTE: Xt

VOTE: Lickety

Hi. You will explain your vote.

I spent about half of the game wanting you dead, and then I saw you Daykilled the Serial Killer, thought about it, and decided I at least want you examined more closely. Congratulations on the non-town kill, but it's not nearly as towny as Daykilling actual groupscum (assuming this game isn't town vs. Neutrals, and even then, the towncred would still be minimal). What are your reads? Please be specific.

These questions.

It's been a while since I've been in this game. Let me reread some stuff and I'll make a reads list.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:03 pm

In post 1096, Grib wrote:
In post 1086, LicketyQuickety wrote:I can't deny that.
I'll just say Ika makes sense to me now.

[...]

Not going to answer that
unless its looking like I'm getting lynched.

Lickety, you will elaborate on both of these or I will kill you.

Go ahead and kill me then.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:13 pm

In post 1099, Grib wrote:Actually, let me try this from a different angle before I finalize my decision.

What do you hope to gain by withholding this information?

Town winning in Lylo.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:15 pm

In post 1100, Grib wrote:
In post 1099, Grib wrote:Actually, let me try this from a different angle before I finalize my decision.

What do you hope to gain by withholding this information?

In addition, if you didn't wish to share that you gain information or whatever by hammering someone, why did you bring up this 'ability' at all? To justify your hammer?

No, because no one will be able to guess what power triggers when I hammer.

PEdit: See, I know no one will be able to guess it.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:32 pm

In post 1104, Grib wrote:
In post 1101, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1099, Grib wrote:Actually, let me try this from a different angle before I finalize my decision.

What do you hope to gain by withholding this information?

Town winning in Lylo.

What about town winning before then? That's possible, too.

My ability can help out with that too, but its not as noteable.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:04 pm

Town:

GL - has done nothing but try and sort stuff
Smiffle - Is playing really pro-town and trying to solve stuff
Fire - Looks honest
Nana - I just feel they want town to win

Null:
AA - their content is good, it just is not enough
Genda - will be sorted soon
Dav - Just not doing enough to solve stuff
Ika - Like they are not really saying anything new

Scum:
ASP/Grib - their push on me is bad and has bad reasoning
Xt - Duh

LicketyQuickety · Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:04 pm

In post 1111, Grib wrote:Hm.

Lickety, this is OOG, but you know Owner Of A Lonely Heart, yes?

What about her?

LicketyQuickety · Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:17 pm

In post 1116, Grib wrote:
In post 1115, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1111, Grib wrote:Hm.

Lickety, this is OOG, but you know Owner Of A Lonely Heart, yes?

What about her?

A friend of mine walked past, saw your avatar/username, said you two were from the same site. That's all.

I know her pretty well.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Oct 31, 2015 3:07 pm

In post 1137, All Alone wrote:i think ika is lyncher for xtoxm

metal sonic and ika both claimed specifically to get xtoxm lynched

plus why would vonflare make zelda a cop, and also informed that link is not town aligned? afaik, zelda has no investigative powers, and she always trusts link. zelda being ganon-lyncher makes a lot more sense than cop

plus lyncher -> survivor is a common cliche in games with third parties

We can find out as soon as Xt is lynched, how does that sound?

LicketyQuickety · Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:55 pm

If Xt is not mafia, we caught mafia. If Xt is not mafia and Ika is not lyncher, we caught mafia.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:34 pm

In post 1160, Gendaberry wrote:LQ does your power get stronger with each hammer, or do you only need to do it once?

Good question. Want to find out? Let me hammer and I'll answer this.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:46 pm

In other news Smiffle is Town af.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:56 pm

In post 1171, smiffle wrote:
In post 933, Tails wrote:
In post 890, Firebringer wrote:What are people scumreading Wanderer on?
I have very Null on Wanderer, just wondering whats so scummy that their is wagon forming for.

PoE for me. Lickity essentially being close to conf. town and the Xtoxm reveal just blew this game wide open.

So, uh, Lickety, are you going to unvote or stay on the wagon?
What's the plan, stan?

IDK, I'm floating my vote right now. We are nowhere near the hammer and I rather keep thing up in the air a bit right now to keep Scum guessing.

As far as your comment on Gribs comment on why Tails was NKed I have an alternate reason: They were likely not a NA target so its a safe kill.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:57 pm

In post 1172, smiffle wrote:Alright, there is something fucked-up with Mafiascum right now.

Like what?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:44 pm

In post 1182, Grib wrote:Firebringer: please go back and actually answer the questions in 1110. Giving me the cold shoulder out of spite is not only immature, it's also counterproductive to our win condition and will only help your team lose if you are actually town.

In post 1114, LicketyQuickety wrote:Nana - I just feel they want town to win

I'm pretty sure you used a Day action on her. Why do you only 'feel' it?

Pray do tell what my NA was on them.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:45 pm

In post 1183, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1182, Grib wrote:Firebringer: please go back and actually answer the questions in 1110. Giving me the cold shoulder out of spite is not only immature, it's also counterproductive to our win condition and will only help your team lose if you are actually town.

In post 1114, LicketyQuickety wrote:Nana - I just feel they want town to win

I'm pretty sure you used a Day action on her. Why do you only 'feel' it?

Pray do tell what my NA was on them.

Oh, day action. Go back and read about it, I'm sure you'll figure it out.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:05 pm

In post 1201, Gendaberry wrote:
In post 1196, smiffle wrote:

Genda, what's your read on Fire atm? He's being all uptight around Grib just because he's poking him a little, plus his posts are getting consistently filled with more aggro.

I thought I mentioned Fire already? I scum read him to an extent due to the outbursts and being aggro because it seems pretty fake to me. It's not that strong of a read though, mostly because I recognize that I'm biased against that kind of stuff because I couldn't see myself doing it.

K, so like elephant in the room here...

What result did you get on a dead player last night?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:36 pm

In post 1203, Gendaberry wrote:None?

Unless I explained my role poorly, I thought that I made it clear that I was going to be detected as having visited one of the dead to make me show up guilty to trackers/watchers. I don't get any results from that, the whole point of it is to make my role worse, it doesn't do anything.

I'm pretty sure that I never said that I get any results, but my bad if my wording was shitty

So how are we supposed to see if your claim is for realz or not again?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:03 pm

In post 1205, Gendaberry wrote:I'm not the one who's idea it was to verify my claim during the night, pretty sure that was Tails. Given standard roles I can't think of a way to do so off the top of my head.

And tails died... how convenient.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:34 pm

Actually, yeah, I see the reason to look elsewhere for Scum besides Xt, but unless we get some hella strong evidence that says that someone else is Scum, I think I'm just going to be perfectly ok with an Xt lynch.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:58 pm

In post 1209, ika wrote:i like how ppl ignore what i say

What is this in response to? I'm in full agreement with you on flipping Xt, so if its addressed to me I am just not getting the picture.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:11 pm

In post 1211, smiffle wrote:It was addressed to me. One of the main reasons I'm not on the Xt wagon at the moment is because Ms/Ika's slot is collectively claiming that he's an alignment cop, a roleblocker, and that he has information on his pm of two flavours being scum, one of those including the flavour Xt claimed: Ganon. I'm finding that a bit hard to believe atm, but a voice tells me "it's a bastard game and the roles are total jank." I'm also having a bit of trouble understanding why he would cop check Xt if he already knew he was scum. That just seems like a waste to have a claimed alignment cop come out on day 2 to tell us that a guy who claimed scum is actually scum. In other words, I don't like his push, and I'd rather leave Xt for lickety to take care of if he gets his vig shots back or whatever.

So like, we catch scum either way so what is the problem with lynching Xt first? By the numbers there are more town than Scum so a trade one for one is not a bad trade at all.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:36 pm

In post 1217, Grib wrote:
Grib r A Simple Plan

ika r Metal Sonic
smiffle

Gendaberry
GuiltyLion

All Alone
Nana
LicketyQuickety

Davsto
Firebringer

Lynch from the bottom up.

If Xtoxm doesn't flip mafia, ika should probably be lynched. Otherwise he's my strongest townread.

I'm kind of paranoid that GuiltyLion is playing really well as scum, but eh.

All Alone has been too lurky, but I did like their earlier posts.

Nana's a funny concept but is ultimately useless as far as I can tell. I wouldn't cry if she died: the point of mafia is to interact and attempt to discern the alignments of other players, and it's nearly impossible to do that when she's off in la la land doing whatever. Her slot is essentially a waste of space. She and Lickety are kinda tied together, though, so if one is scum, blitz the other. On the one hand, her casual indifference to everything makes me inclined to take her word for it. Shrug.

Please tell me why I should be flipped at all?

LicketyQuickety · Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:01 pm

In post 1220, Grib wrote:Also, you haven't spent
any
time pursuing your other scumreads.

I'm in wait and see mode lets just say. The wind is a little out of my sails right now and I'm not super motivated to make great posts right now.

Saying I should be flipped because there is a good chance I am Scum is not a good enough reason for me. you said you were going to kill me if I didn't answer you; what happened to that? why did you do nothing with that? You replaced into a slot that did literally nothing. I'm not liking the easy Town reads you are getting and I'm going to go against popular opinion and say the reasons for you being town have more to do with you replacing into a black slate than anything else.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:41 pm

In post 1234, Davsto wrote:Is ika lyncher? If so, it means we've almost certainly got all of the self-aligned players out of the game, which is good. But unless Xtoxm is lying about being survivor, we really need to start killing actual groupscum asap.

Eww.

Don't like this post at all. What is your hurry? We are killing Scum either today or tomorrow guaranteed so there is no need for this comment like "omg we are doing terrible!!!"

You just droped hard from Town to Scum for me in this one post.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:45 am

VOTE: Ika

LicketyQuickety · Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:01 am

In post 1244, Grib wrote:I explained my reads yesterDay.

You should be voting Ika cuz they lied... blatantly.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:36 am

In post 1247, Davsto wrote:
In post 1245, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1244, Grib wrote:I explained my reads yesterDay.

You should be voting Ika cuz they lied... blatantly.

I'm sorry, I must have missed something, what did ika lie about?

They said the person we voted off was Mafia. Not Scum, not SK, not Neutral, Mafia.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:43 am

In post 1249, Davsto wrote:o no

we lynched 3p over Mafia, and it's all ika's fault!!!!

...

You say that like it's a
bad
thing.

Tell what motivation there is for Ika to lie? What happens if Ika is Town? How does that effect their credibility? What happens if Ika is Scum? How do we let them skate by with that kind of play?

PEdit: What is the motivation to lie?

LicketyQuickety · Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:06 am

In post 1253, Davsto wrote:Gonna be honest, Lickety's whole going along with ika at first and then suddenly turning on him once he's got the third parties lynched is hella suspicious.

Do you hear yourself right now?

Was I not clear when I said "we are catching Scum no matter what so there is no reason to not sheep Ika since if Xt isn't MAFIA then we will proceed to vote Ika for not telling the truth"?

You're lack of understanding to what I am actually saying is pretty astounding.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:12 am

In post 1255, Davsto wrote:Okay. So ika lied. So what?

Tell me, what would scum!ika gain from lying? You're saying that town!ika has no reason to, but I don't think scum!ika has a reason to either, thus it is null.

Kindly tell me why you don't want to lynch someone who is null who has blatantly lied about an investigation's alignment on someone again.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:10 am

In post 1257, Davsto wrote:Because I don't see why he would bother lying about that if he were scum.

Kindly tell me why scum!ika would lie, and stop ignoring my questions.

Because he knows he can get away with it maybe?

LicketyQuickety · Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:13 am

Whatever.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:53 pm

@MOD,

VC please.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:22 am

VOTE: Dav

I don't think I need to explain this one.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:27 pm

Nana clearly wants town to win.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:52 pm

Going to try and reread shit.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:09 pm

In post 1285, vonflare wrote:
Davsto has been removed from the game.

Votecount has been reset.

In post 1311, vonflare wrote:
Davsto has returned to the game

K, so can we please for the love of God lynch this now?

LicketyQuickety · Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:57 pm

In post 1359, smiffle wrote:Lickety, what do you make of Dav's role being the entire X-shot commuter type thing? Your post above pointing accusatively to the mod announcements of Dav's commute doesn't make a lot of sense. Actually, it makes basically no sense, "hey, this guy has a commute, let's lynch him." What am I supposed to glean from this?

If the mod who made this game has any idea what they are doing with a bastard game its clear to me that a "day commute" would be so obviously a Scum role rather than a Town role for the very simple fact that its very utility is to get out of a lynch unless there is like some parallel universe that dave goes to in which he can alter things where being "away". In fact, I'll just go right out and say this right now because it pretty much guarantees that what I say about Dav's role being a positive utility get-out-of-lynch-free-card is true. I gain the ability that after I hammer someone my death is delayed until the next day. Now you have to ask yourself why the mod would give a get-out-of-lynch-free-card role as well as a Town delayed death role. With the roles we have seen in the game and the killing power we have seen from scum I think its highly unlikely that there would be so many prevent-a-death roles for Town. If you want to argue "well, what about the uber super powerful SK there was in the game?" I will just say you're welcome.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:57 pm

In post 1377, ika wrote:bets are when he "commutes" hes no longer counted towards alive ppl so if he does commute we can just lynch elsehwere and if its his buddy and he commutes again wec an win on a default

This.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:58 pm

VOTE: Dav

LicketyQuickety · Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:07 am

In post 1378, Davsto wrote:Look, people who want to lynch me, there are two options:

1) We work together to find scum.
2) You continue to tunnel me, so I commute and you have to find scum without any of my help because I can't post, and can only give help by watching from the sidelines and then writing a short post summing up my thoughts on what happened while I was gone.

I'm not sure about you, but I prefer the first option.

If you can point out all the Scum you have caught that would be great... You're doing a marvelous job of it so far.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:10 am

In post 1383, Davsto wrote:I mean, if you consider non-town as scum I'd say I did a pretty good job of it.

what about halfsies?

LicketyQuickety · Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:35 am

In post 1386, Davsto wrote:
In post 1379, ika wrote:
In post 1378, Davsto wrote:Look, people who want to lynch me, there are two options:

1) We work together to find scum.
2) You continue to tunnel me, so I commute and you have to find scum without any of my help because I can't post, and can only give help by watching from the sidelines and then writing a short post summing up my thoughts on what happened while I was gone.

I'm not sure about you, but I prefer the first option.

you have enough time to post this you should have neough times to make clifnotes in a PT or a QT or even a notepad adn then paste it the next day whe you come back

does not chance my opinion one bit

Being able to interact with people as the day unfolds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making notes then posting the next day.

Err... I can't say I've seen you make a real impact for who is lynched in this game :/

LicketyQuickety · Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:15 am

In post 1388, Davsto wrote:Well if you're basically gonna argue that I should be lynched because I'm not super-crazy-awesome pushing every scum then I'm just gonna facepalm really.

It's quite interesting to see the people who keep pushing for and voting me even though they know it's impossible to actually lynch me. Gives quite an interesting insight. Pushing me even though I'm impossible to lynch is a great way to look like you're doing something while in reality nothing you do will forward the gamestate. All it'll do is waste my commute shots.

Why do you have more than one commute?

LicketyQuickety · Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:09 pm

In post 1394, Gendaberry wrote:
In post 1364, smiffle wrote:What provoked you to RB LQ last night? Was it his lack of posting/explantation yesterday, or something else?
Why would you roleblock someone who was attempting to lynch the same person who you had planned to push?

I was scumreading LQ pretty hard beforehand. From the way LQ talked about his role, I assumed that if he was town then blowing a roleblock on him wouldn't hurt us much. If he was telling the truth, it didn't seem like he had any extremely helpful night actions that I could fuck up by roleblocking him. With his recent claim, it looks like I was right on that end.

so you think RB a town player who has no NA was a good idea. I suppose its better than blocking a town player with a NA, but I think the point is to block Scum with a NA. IDK tho, I could be wrong...

LicketyQuickety · Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:11 pm

Smiffle, we need you right now.

I'm Scum reading Genda and Dav right now.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:32 pm

Guys, I have way too few Town reads and that is really bad. I only have GL and Smiffle as town. My only really strong Scum read is Dav. If you have day abilities, now is the time to use them.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:57 pm

Well, oddly enough I think this makes Dav Town. Having two commutes as Scum is just too OP... Unless ofc Dav is 3p... Hmmmm

LicketyQuickety · Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:23 pm

In post 1419, ika wrote:
In post 1418, LicketyQuickety wrote:Well, oddly enough I think this makes Dav Town. Having two commutes as Scum is just too OP... Unless ofc Dav is 3p... Hmmmm

It doesnt, if he does not count as alive players as it seems now

for refrence to the role im talking about

Greetings BRantz, you have drawn Mafia Three-Shot Pseudocider.

Feint: During the day, you may target yourself to remove yourself from the game. You will for all intents and purposes be dead, but your role and alignment will not be revealed. You will return to the game at the beginning of the next day. You may only use this action thrice.

Tropical Volcano Lair Mafia Factional Abilities
Intern: You know that your teammates are BBmolla, VysePresident and vonflare. They do not know of your existence. If they attempt to kill you, they will remember who you are and recruit you instead.

Tropical Volcano Lair Mafia Win Condition: You win when your faction is the only one remaining.

The game thread is here. Please confirm in-thread.

bolded imprtant part i would nto be surprised to see von doign something of the such

Id doesn't work that way Ika. Dav returns as soon as a lynch takes place. It is a different role altogether. Though the roles are similar enough there are enough key differences in the way they behave to have them not be enough to actually draw a conclusion from any other game.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:46 pm

In post 1421, ika wrote:
In post 1420, LicketyQuickety wrote:Id doesn't work that way Ika. Dav returns as soon as a lynch takes place. It is a different role altogether. Though the roles are similar enough there are enough key differences in the way they behave to have them not be enough to actually draw a conclusion from any other game.

not really? i can still make the argument.

its like this:
day: scum gets lynched, he returns to game
night: he does action X
day: we threaten to lycnh again, he removes himself
endgame: sicnce his partner and him is "removed" from the game, the game will end in a town win

make sense? my argment still ahs ground even if its slightly modified

Good, then we are in agreement that we don't vote Dav and look elsewhere. I am pretty sure Dav is Scum now if what you say is accurate. I have to say the fact Dav didn't want to cooperate with leaving after putting someone at L-1 and that fact that he left with such snark is also indication he is Scum.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:49 pm

In post 1427, Gendaberry wrote:
In post 1420, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Id doesn't work that way Ika. Dav returns as soon as a lynch takes place. It is a different role altogether. Though the roles are similar enough there are enough key differences in the way they behave to have them not be enough to actually draw a conclusion from any other game.

You sure about that? I'm pretty sure Dav said that he gets commuted during the night too.

Take a look at the last time Dav commuted and came back and you will see that is not the case.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:25 pm

I want to try something. Crazy theory.

VOTE: Dav

LicketyQuickety · Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:54 pm

@MOD,

VC please.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:20 pm

Can we talk about a town block? I should be on it. Ika can join me.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:50 pm

In post 1443, smiffle wrote:Do you mean town block as in we place all our votes on the exact same person? What exactly did you have in mind?

No, I'm saying I am pretty much being universally town read so if we can find another (not feeling the ika one as much after ISOing MS and Ika) we have a town block that everyone can sheep. I might suggest GL, but some people can't see that he is Town af.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:12 pm

In post 1448, Gendaberry wrote:You're being universally Town read? Also, All Alone what are your thoughts on non Dav players?

Everyone knows I am town whether they admit it or not.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:49 pm

I'd like to Vote Genda.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:48 pm

In post 1453, Gendaberry wrote:You know you can vote me whenever, right LQ? What's stopping you.

As for Dav's scumbuddy, he's not even confirmed scum yet. Asking for his scum buddy is jumping the gun a bit don't you think? Anyways, LQ is my other top scumread apart from Dav. I'll probably reread the thread when I'm free tomorrow to get a better handle on the game.

So i am your top scum read. Why? Who is your other top Scum?

LicketyQuickety · Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:11 am

VOTE: Genda

LicketyQuickety · Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:18 pm

In post 1460, smiffle wrote:Lickety, since you're voting Genda, and you're scumreading him and Dav, do you have an explanation as to why you think Genda is bussing Dav?

Pre flip associations are bad, but Genda already has a claim that no one is questioning, the Scum read on Dav is icing on the cake.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:20 pm

In post 1462, Gendaberry wrote:Like I said, I really dislike the way he's dealt with his read on me. He's called me scummy from day 1, but apart from a brief stint of voting me, he's just been saying that my role will "sort itself out" somehow. I'd like to also mention that he's made it clear in #1204 that he has no clue how that was going to happen in the first place.

Glad you mentioned this cuz I'm going to try and clear this up right now. First off, Tails was the one who came up with the theory on how your role was going to sort itself out, and look who died a Town death that very night by your very own words. I simple was curious how in the blazin hell you role works in the first place. Here's is what I understand about your role: You say you visit people who have died. I'm not sure what that does exactly, but you also say that this somehow makes you be investigated as mafia... WTF. How the hell does that work exactly?

LicketyQuickety · Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:20 pm

In post 1463, Gendaberry wrote:
In post 1461, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Pre flip associations are bad, but Genda already has a claim that no one is questioning, the Scum read on Dav is icing on the cake.

What makes my read on Dav worse then everyone else's?

OMG this is such a Scummy response.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:13 am

In post 1473, smiffle wrote:
In post 1465, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1463, Gendaberry wrote:
In post 1461, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Pre flip associations are bad, but Genda already has a claim that no one is questioning, the Scum read on Dav is icing on the cake.

What makes my read on Dav worse then everyone else's?

OMG this is such a Scummy response.

That looks kind of knee-jerk to me. Same as the OMGUS. I'm just not sure it's scum knee-jerk as opposed to defensive town.
Lickety, what's driving this lynch for you so much? In other words, what's the main reason you're voting Genda?
I suppose this question can apply to Genda too, but his general read and vote are kind of bad. I see the logic, but it's really meh to me.

Ika, do you believe Genda's claim in this setup? How do you think Genda stands compared to Dav? Also, what're your thoughts on lynching today? Yes, no, maybe-so?

I haven't seen hardly anything Townworthy from Genda.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:56 am

In post 1477, GuiltyLion wrote:Can we get an exact counter to deadline?

I will vote Genda if absolutely needed but I don't think it's likely that he flips scum

Thank you for that.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:05 am

In post 1479, vonflare wrote:(expired on 2015-12-02 15:00:00) remaining

K, everyone needs to get off their asses and vote glenda so we actually have a lynch today. Thx for reading.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:32 am

If anyone has a really fucking good argument why Glenda should not be lynched, now's the fucking time.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:24 am

In post 1485, smiffle wrote:And I feel like a complete idiot for alt-slipping, but it was bound to happen sooner or later.
I hadn't played this game in months, and I didn't want to be rusty on my first game on my main, yadda yadda, excuses.

I know you. I've seen your posts. I like you. Go figure.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:19 pm

Guys, I fucked up sorry. I thought we had 56 min until EOD, not 20h46min. If we can get this thread going, we can change the lynch if we really want.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:31 pm

We might just be trying to get rid of 3p at this point. That means there are at least 2 town members left.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:43 pm

What did you want to discuss Ika?

VOTE: Dav

LicketyQuickety · Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:47 pm

IDK ika, the game should be solvable right now with mass claim. I think we should do that.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:48 pm

I think Ika could be 3p. The rest on the wagon are town in my eyes. I would like AA to claim first.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:35 pm

In post 1527, smiffle wrote:Ika, I'm trusting that you're town since you seem to have literally survived a NK, but do you really think Lickety is Dav's scum buddy judging from that botched vote?

Also Lickety, what lead you to believe Ika is third party? That was kind of out of the blue, although I remember you casting some doubt on him a while back after you mentioned reading his ISO. What gives?

I think it has to be either Ika or GL at this point. If its Ika, then they were telling the truth (in part) saying they are no longer have a NA and are basically just in the game and can only vote. If its GL same thing. Either way Scum ran out of NK's I think, unless someone knows who the last mafia is and are RBing them every night, but this is impossible because they would've already come forth.

Conclusion: We are dealing with a sole 3p person with aniti-town wincon who may have abilities, but cannot NK anyone. There still might be a Mafia, but the 3p is blocking them every time.
/rambling thoughts that I have because I'm no longer very interested in this game

LicketyQuickety · Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:07 pm

What does laser do?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:59 pm

OK, Smiffle is up to claim next.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:19 pm

VOTE: guilty lion

LicketyQuickety · Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:21 pm

In post 1544, smiffle wrote:So basically I'm Toon-Link, a modified triggerable bomb that blows up if I receive two hit stuns in the same night, instantly killing whoever targeted me with the hitstun.

All Alone is next.

UNVOTE:

Smiffle, why didn't you indicate to people not to hit stun you? If you did do that please point it out.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:46 am

In post 1551, GuiltyLion wrote:Cool so AA is confirmed town via the best friend thing.

I say lynch smiffle, RB Lickety and there's no way we can lose.

Why RB me? I mean I wouldn't care really if it puts peoples minds at ease, but I have no abilities left so it would be wasted.

I will say one of the Links is Scum and that means we are in Lylo... I think. I am afraid of both the Toon Link claim because that would mess with the triforce thing and I am also Sus of the kirby with weapon and the, what looks like, quoting the role PM image.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:28 am

In post 1553, GuiltyLion wrote:No that image was not in the role PM. I just did it for kicks. That's a ridiculous reason to suspect someone.

RB you because I feel ika is obvtown, AA is conftown. so if smiffle flips green, RBing you either prevents the kill in which case we know you're scum, or does not prevent the kill in which case you all would know I'm scum.

But I'm pretty sure lynching smiffle is gg, given his interactions with Davsto and his claim which is terribly anti-town and something he should have said D1.

The only problem I see is that we would then have what? Like tails, yourself, Ika and AA all as hitstun (tell me if there is more)? IIRC there should be some NA going on besides just a NK by Mafia.

So we have GL, Ika and AA that all have hitstun currently.

We have a Ganadorf (3p) shiek (mafia) zelda ((could be in the game)?) Toon Link (?) Link Hero (?)

Given the HEAVY RB potential in this game I am assuming Mafia have some pretty good NA for their arsenal.

AA is clear. I'd be willing to Sheep AA.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:28 am

In post 1554, GuiltyLion wrote:Seriously though how could that image be in my role PM when I hadn't absorbed Tails at the time of receiving my role

I just didn't think it through.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:50 am

VOTE: Smiffle You played very well smiffle. A lot of effort from you in this game. One of the reasons I was so hesitant to scum read you was because you were active and scum hunting. Well played.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:55 am

@Smiffle,

You played really an amazing game. Your tone came across very very townie; I have not seen Scum do that that well before. I know for a fact that my early game and end game are well above average, but my mid game sucks balls. I have a problem with having my reads be too malleable, this is true. I can't tell you the amount of times I have caught scum right off the bat only to change my read on them during mid and early-mid game. I was completely correct in my scum read on you early in the game. But you were hitting all the townie notes I look for mid game. The amount of effort you put into this game is a huge part of why I was not scum reading you, even though I know effort =/= alignment. You just played really really well, and in another world, with more NKs you take this one home hands down.