Mini 1729 - History Mafia II END

[Spiffeh]

hi

[Spiffeh]

Sonic, we can boom. Show me your a nice man who can come have great gay mental sex and we can use ourselves to boom all over this thread. I try not to have sex when drunk. It makes me vulnerable to scumbags.

SW, he means work together.

~Titus

Titus wtf

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VOTE: AERONAUT

why havn't you confirmed yet?

This might be scum for not interacting with people ACTUALLY confirmed.

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Call of the Wild said that Bella's entrance looked awkward.
Bearded, as someone who's hydraed with bella what do you think

EW

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VOTE: ErrantParabola

bbl

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"Hi let me look like I'm contributing by asking a question that probably doesn't add anything relevant"

It's a filler question. Like I don't even think someone who hydra'd with someone before would be able to determine a bad entrance post compared to any other player?

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Btw SW/Titus is a gr8 hydra

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SW how do you feel about my point against EP?

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Is KTthecreeper actually 11

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SW what if he was 11 would that change your mind?

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Anyway KT looks like exactly the type of player scum would push to mislynch imo

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I still haven't read the whole thread fyi

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SW you can't seriously want to lynch this guy

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SW you can't seriously want to lynch this guy

Well, if he's town, your WKing is noted.

~SW

That's better.

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Why?

because masons dont vote each other

if you are voting me it means you are not a mason

I'm just going to not believe this until I am told otherwise by CoTW (preferably SW head who is not trolling).

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Anyway I think CotW, Sir Bastion, and ET are town.

CotW Titus head isn't trying to push her agenda that defies all logic and reason like I have seen her do as scum and I feel like she takes being scum a lot more seriously early on, which she really isn't doing here. SW looks business as usual.

Sir Bastion brought up a really good point on Scorpius that resonated with me (which is funny because it is escaping me at this moment I just remember really agreeing with it) and his other posts are fine.

ET seems like the classic, inexperienced/misunderstood D1 mislynch that a lot of people seemed to be targeting early and I find him more eager to contribute than anything which I attribute more to new players that are town. I don't agree with a lot of the things he says but his push on Metal Sonic for instance is something I'd expect town of his experience level to push which makes me feel good about him. Ftr I'm going purely off his join date.

I have gut town reads on Bella, BeardedCat, gummmybear, and Dwlee. I could go into more detail but I cba to right now and still most of it boils down to gut. The Dwlee one is the weakest.

Rory and Metal Sonic are null. This is where I'd say something about Rory if I actually had anything to say about him.

I'm not even going to try reading Metal Sonic with what he has contributed because I have a feeling that he would be acting like this as either alignment at this point in the game. So he can enjoy being null until he does something that wows me

That leaves Aristophanes, ErrantParabola, and Scorpius as leaning scum/scum reads.

I dislike Aristophanes automatically concluding that one of Dwlee and KT were scum without actually committing a read in either direction. Especially since I feel like I gained absolutely nothing in terms of content to read from their exchange that he so hastily concluded was TvS. I want him to elaborate on what exactly in their interaction felt "unnatural".

Scorpius mostly because of Sir Bastion's post 260. I also don't really like him attacking the younger players. I think scum would do this to give themselves more of a presence than they otherwise would have. <----- That's a reach but I have engaged in back-and-forths that aren't game related as scum on my homesite for this exact reason (MS might remember that actually!). I also hated that one post where he excused himself from taking a stance by saying "We have ten days left what's the hurry?" That is no excuse.

Errantparabola has been asking questions that he never follows up on and I just consider most of them to be unhelpful/filler. His vote is still on his RVS target and he hasn't even tried to give any reads or make stances. I am surprised at the amount of people crying "lack of content" and no one has mentioned this guy who I think is the biggest culprit. Can we wagon this please?

I would be willing to lynch any of these three but I'd prefer to wagon Errantparabola at the moment to get something worthwhile out of him.

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I encourage you to read the very first sentence of my post.

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Really? Why is that? Do you think there are scum on the KT wagon? If so, who?

I guess not anyone currently on the wagon but I am uncomfortable with Aristophanes and Scorpious waffling in the middle and could easily see them jumping on him as they are seemingly keeping their options open. Just the general attitude towards him is that no one is really on his side which is easy for scum to take advantage of.

I provided a reads list because I just finished reading the thread and actually had concrete opinions on a lot of people which is new for me and I wasn't around early on to actively form reads that way. If you don't like early reads lists why didn't you mention Scorpious'?

I'd also like to know why Titus is scum reading me.

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I am also uncomfortable with Aristophanes. You wanna lynch him?

Also, I did make a comment about Scorpious' reads-list. You must have missed it.

Nah I want ErrantParabola to stop being ignored. What do you think about him?

And yeah I missed it my bad.

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Spiffeh you don't want ari lynched or you want errant under pressure more?

Errant under pressure more. I don't particularly mind Aristophanes lynched at this point in time.

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@Dwlee oh I meant KT in the first sentence my bad.

ET seems like the classic, inexperienced/misunderstood D1 mislynch that a lot of people seemed to be targeting early and I find him more eager to contribute than anything which I attribute more to new players that are town. I don't agree with a lot of the things he says but his push on Metal Sonic for instance is something I'd expect town of his experience level to push which makes me feel good about him. Ftr I'm going purely off his join date.

This is meant for

KT

not ET. I mixed up abbreviating ErrantParabola and KTthecreeper lol

I don't think that's too hard to infer from what I said about him though

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That was my nice way of saying I don't think his experience is translating here no matter how many games he may have played elsewhere.

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That was my nice way of saying I don't think his experience is translating here no matter how many games he may have played elsewhere.

I love people like you



I love spiffeh

thx bby

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Titus explain your scumlean on me.

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SW do you know why Titus is scumreading me?

Also could you tell her she is wrong?

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That was more to read you. I would have been soops suspicious of you if you kept your vote on him after it was clearly his age and experience that was turning everyone off.

And I'd do it again.

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Also SW what do you think of my reads?

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Where is VC at?

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Scorpious what are your thoughts on Ari and EP?

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ErrantParabola could you give me your read on Scorpius?

I know you said something about his vanilla claim not being scummy but what are your thoughts outside of that?

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TITUS WHY ARE YOU SCUM READING ME?

Btw Plotinus' posts give me twinge my scumdar but I BBT sounded town so I'm conflicted. I really don't like Plot's justification for catapulting me up to a town read.

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Also SW what do you think of my reads?

Why are you townreading Bella right now? Gut only or something else?

~SW

@Spiffeh-Did you catch this?

It's mostly gut but I also played a game with her where she was town and she feels really similar to there (granted it was a really short game).

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Titus whenever you want to talk out your bad read with me I'm here <3

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Also I think ErrantParabola is a little too self conscious but that might just be due to newness?

MS I like BBT head though

And what are your thoughts on EP?

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CotW, BBT head looks town and Plot head looks scum

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MS why specifically do you think they are scum?

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Also I will be honest and admit that I didn't read all of Plotinus' posts

I'll do it now and post more in depth about it.

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Gdi fine my EP vote isn't doing anything anyway BECAUSE EVERYONE IS IGNORING HIM

VOTE: BeardedCat

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Titus I want to hear something game relevant from you that goes beyond naked reads.

And only if you want me to.

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Also is the SW townreading MS since she's voting with him?

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the SW head*

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im townreading SW for having exact same thoughts as me

titus, not hitting town notes

really dont like that

Why are you thinking that I am not hitting town notes when you think I've crumbed?

~Titus

This is a good point actually. MS you say you haven't figured out Titus yet but you are saying she is crumbing which assumes she is town?

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VOTE: Aristophanes

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ftr I think Scorpious should be the ultimate lynch atm

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Reading ish

Even if I'm difficult to read I'll be easy enough to sort in the late game so people shouldn't worry so much on day 1. It's premature. But I understand it because Sonic townread me all game, so he's paranoid of me now. Titus modded it.

This implies that you think MS is town, as you're saying he is paranoid of you being scum. But you vote for him later in the same post.

Your vote is really weak. Even if he was wrong about BBT ignoring the game (I don't think it's such an incorrect statement) why do you automatically assume he was lying and not give him the benefit of the doubt? This looks like OMGUS disguised as a reason to me. I think you're panicking

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Ugh SW your jump on Sonic is almost as bad tbh

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Especially because it wasn't a good point.

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You said "he's ignoring this game" as if it were only this game that he's ignoring. he's ignoring the entire website. perhaps he's ignoring the rest of the internet too. And tyou did it in response to someone saying that Ari was posting elsewhere so it sounded like you were saying that BBT was posting elsewhere but he's not.

will reply to longer post but still haven't coffeed yet or breakfasted.

--P

Or he hasn't been tracking BBT's every move on the site and has only noticed his absence this game? Which is an extremely plausible possibility. This line of suspicion is ridiculous.

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I really don't like Plot's justification for catapulting me up to a town read.

What don't you like about it?

It basically boiled down to "I like his readslist" but he repeated that like seven times in seven different ways and made it as long as possible when one sentence would have sufficed. That might be his posting style but the amount of walls I'm seeing that have paragraphs of filler don't sit well with me.

CotW have had awful voting all game but I have to be careful here because I think I have scum read Titus every single time we have played together.

I'm pretty sure SW has cast like all but one vote so far so I don't see how these thoughts relate.

Spiffeh's jump on there for no reason after needing almost no convincing to jump onto BC seems a little too eager to go where the wind blows voting wise

I did give a reason. Plot's post pinged me and my EP vote was just going to waste. And you seemed equally as eager to vote for BC and Metal Sonic whenever someone was calling them scum so I don't really know where this is coming from.

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I strongly dislike spiffeh's push on me. He expresses frustration that I'm coasting and "no one is interacting with me" and so he asks me what my read on scorp is, which I provide. Spiffeh looks like he couldn't care less about my answer, even after I directly ask him what he thought about it, and he ignores me, exactly what he criticizes others for doing. Somehow I feel like that last phrase was grammatically incorrect but I don't really know. Oh well. Spiffeh's 621 (see beardedcat I took your advice, be proud of me) stands out to me as odd, as he's jumping on the aristo wagon while saying he actually supports another lynch, a point which I think gummmy touches on.

This is fair. I actually meant to dedicate time to reading your posts but I never did which sounds really douchey but I remember at the time I wanted to devote more time to them than I had and just never bothered and forgot they existed. My apologies.

I think your posts were fine and the very fact that you point this out instead of allowing me to ignore it points to you being town. If you were scum I would expect you to avoid interacting with me after I said I wanted you lynched but you didn't and I like that.

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And I don't necessarily see what's wrong with voting for someone but wanting someone else lynched ultimately?

It's kinda like the situation with you, where I (well I guess CoTW pointed it out) noticed someone I was scumreading slipping through the cracks and I wanted to bring him back on everyone's radars as well as hear more from him.

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KT why did you jump off Scorpious? You seemed extremely convinced that he was scum last time you posted.

Aristo and Scorpious are MIA rn so in an effort to put my vote somewhere that it doesn't go to waste I'll VOTE: BeardedCat

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Even if BBT is inactive site-wide, the statement "BBT is ignoring this thread" is not inaccurate.

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Wow I'm bad

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Ew when did Scorpious get down to only one vote on him.

I still want to know why KT dropped that read so quickly.

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Yes and I think he tried to lurk the suspicion off of him and he was successful.

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You're kidding right

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Do I really have to say "scum give reads too"?

I don't think I do.

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@Spiffeh-Do you think both BC and Scorpius are scum?

Scorpious yes and that has never changed since my reads list. Especially since he has disappeared ever since he was pressured.
BeardedCat I'm still scum reading but am a little less sure about. I really dislike how Plot's initial vote on Metal Sonic went down. Because Metal Sonic said BBT was ignoring the thread? When that isn't even exactly a false statement? I'll talk about it more later on in this post but I want to know your take on this.

You also mentioned that you didn't like that I was voting for someone other than who I wanted to be lynched ultimately. And I don't even get why that's a problem. I voted for Aristophanes because you said he was active elsewhere on the site, figured he was still looking at the thread because of that, and voted for him so he'd see that he needed to actually contribute. I still voiced my support of the Scorpious wagon so it wouldn't lose traction (to no avail because KT and Dwlee swapped over to Aristophanes really quickly fsr). I'm not going to vote park on someone, even if I think they are the scummiest, if I think my vote will be of greater use or garner better reactions elsewhere.

You're missing the point.

MS didn't just say 'Where is BBT?' he tried to spin it to make me look scummy. Like I was only avoiding this game - which is bullshit for two reasons.

1) MS knows activity is not alignment indicative for me, for him to try and use this to make me look scummy means that MS is scum. Town!MS does not do this.

2) I LOVE being scum. MS knows this which means he would also know that I pay much more attention to the games I'm scum in. For MS to suddenly act like this isn't a thing, again, points to MS being scum.

Basically, MS is using things that he knows are not alignment indicative for me to try and paint me in a scummy light. And that's scummy.

See this would have all been fine if YOU were the one that voted for Metal Sonic and gave these reasons. But Plotinus did and never said any of this and it's his reasons for the vote I have the problem with. Don't act like this was all on the table all along.

And even so, you're misunderstanding. Let's take a look at the post that Plotinus voted MS for:

dont change vote. please remain on beardedcat.



don't mind the ari ignoring this game. it is admittedly, fairly slow.

anyway he was MVP in mafia cafe, i wouldn't think he would be bad as scum for that to be a tell


(psst: BBT is ignoring this game too. vote him back!)

This was in response to me switching my vote from you to Aristophanes. He was trying to convince me to change my vote back. If you read it in context, it's clear I was voting for Aristophanes for being active elsewhere on the site and not posting here, which is where "BBT is ignoring this game too. vote him back!" comes into play. Plot immediately overreacted and acted like this was the crux of MS' argument when it was clearly a throwaway comment. And tbh now I think you're trying to cover for him and giving him all the this justification that he never provided to begin with.

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Yeah, that's play-style. Plot can be verbose at times - not alignment indicative.

I buy that.

They don't relate specifically to one another - I was talking about the slot (Titus) in general.

Ok.

I don't know why you're acting like we're at the time in the game where we need to decide on a compromise lynch - that sounds like pretty shitty reasoning to start moving your vote around.

I never said that we had to compromise a lynch. I explained in my previous post that if I think my vote will serve a better purpose elsewhere I will vote there even if I would prefer someone else was lynched. No one was really considering my arguments against EP, your slot pinged me, Metal Sonic asked me to wagon you, so I voted for you. I am pretty surprised so many people have an issue with this.

Yeah, this is bad. Shows a lack of conviction in your reads. I don't see how Aristo being inactive should change your read on him being scum.

See above. I mean I have been pretty consistent with this all game so if you have a problem with it you have a problem with my playstyle. It doesn't make me scummy.

Why are you lamenting a wagon that you're not even a part of?

See above. I was still scum reading him and ultimately wanted him lynched. I guess it's a little unfair if you actually read this as a serious post, but I am confused why you took a post starting with "EW" so seriously in the first place. Like is this supposed to contribute to your case against me or something? Because if so I will probably laugh at how far you're reaching.

Wow. I mean, you JUST unvoted Aristo because he wasn't here and you're talking about people successfully lurking votes off of them? Are you serious right now?

The obvious difference here is that Aristophanes was NEVER around and Scorpious disappeared after he was taking heat and people had piled votes on him. If you don't see the difference there than I don't know what to tell you.

So yeah your suspicion of me seems to boil down to my voting tendencies which is really just the way I play the game when I have multiple suspects this early on. Which is usually not the case, to be fair. It also comes off as a tad forced, especially with your last two points.

Dwlee I can't believe you're buying this?

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@KTthecreeper:
Why did you switch off of Scorpious so easily when you seemed extremely convinced he was scum?

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I'll respond to more stuff when I don't have a gargantuan amount of work to do.

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Bella what are your thoughts on my reasons for suspecting BC?

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SW did you read my recent posts?

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I'm pretty sure they responded to all of your issues with me.

Also get back in your hydra.

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Also CotW I asked you a question in my posts that you haven't read which is why I hope you read them soon

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And even so, you're misunderstanding. Let's take a look at the post that Plotinus voted MS for:

dont change vote. please remain on beardedcat.



don't mind the ari ignoring this game. it is admittedly, fairly slow.

anyway he was MVP in mafia cafe, i wouldn't think he would be bad as scum for that to be a tell


(psst: BBT is ignoring this game too. vote him back!)

This was in response to me switching my vote from you to Aristophanes. He was trying to convince me to change my vote back. If you read it in context, it's clear I was voting for Aristophanes for being active elsewhere on the site and not posting here, which is where "BBT is ignoring this game too. vote him back!" comes into play. Plot immediately overreacted and acted like this was the crux of MS' argument when it was clearly a throwaway comment. And tbh now I think you're trying to cover for him and giving him all the this justification that he never provided to begin with.

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Oh this text was supposed to accompany my previous post sorry:
You're not realizing that Metal Sonic never even tried to pass off that that was why he was scumreading them. I elaborate on that more here:

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I'm sorry but you are voting BC and pushing Scorpius as well. You also voted Ari and jumped on and off his wagon rather quickly just like you jumped on and off BC's rather easily as well. It felt like you were not voting for reasons of your own, but going the way the wind blew as far as getting a lynch and I'd like your reasons why you think any of these people are scum instead of sheeping or wagon hoping.Also, in most of your posting you are defending MS. Your interaction with BC in particular but you also called us out for voting MS. I've noticed it a few times. So the question becomes, why are you defending MS so much?

All of my reasons should for voting are in my ISO and you can find them when you're not feeling lazy. If you come across a vote that isn't ever explained point it out to me and I will gladly explain it. Hint: You won't find one

I am defending MS because Plot's vote on him was scummy and they are either completely misunderstanding what I thought was pretty clear or they are trying to misrepresent Sonic's ONE THROW-AWAY comment to justify voting for him which is what I'm leaning towards.

SW you're starting to worry me

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No completed scum games on this site.

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No that was me worrying YOU might be scum.

Because quite honestly I don't see how you'd think I'm scum given my explanation.

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Ok and if you haven't already please read my posts about BC.

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Yay drunk Titus!

post 800, post 801

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I also said you were trying to lurk out your wagon and either way why would you lash out like that when none of us would have no way of knowing?

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Plot's posts are still pinging the fuck out of me

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SW I promise you that I am not always so obvtown when I am town.

It is unfortunate but true.

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Spoiler: Response to CotW

This vote is gross. There is no reason for it. His question was perfectly fine.

Don't say there isn't a reason for it when you quoted the exact reason I gave. If you disagree with the reason (which is what I think you are saying), I get it's not some hardcore irrefutable evidence, but keep in mind that this was post 126. What exactly would constitute a vote that isn't gross? I can also point to your slot's vote at the time and how Titus gave no real reasoning for it. And your Bella point is a stretch. But I'm not going to call these things out because I read them all as efforts to get out of RVS and didn't take them super seriously enough to call them bad and suspect you for them. But you don't feel the same way about mine?

Why does his age matter? This still bugs me. He could be 11 and scum, why can't I pressure him? Classic WKing.

I responded to that in post 483. To be clear, I thought he was obv town and it looked like it was his immaturity (not in a bad way) that was turning people off. Nothing about him looked scummy to me and I still hold to that. I will defend my town reads, like I defended you in Delicious 2 when you were taking heat.

Here comes a scumread on Ari. Where did that come from? Did I miss it? I don't see it before this.

post 371

This is like waaaaay too much concern about Titus suspecting you.

Here is why: post 578

Yeah again, you didn't allow me to investigate him so I could find out for myself if he was town or scum. You got in the way for no good reason. He was in no danger of a lynch at this time anyway.

This is fair. I should have let your interaction run its course before I stepped in.

I get this question. tbh your 371 is a pretty townie post that I am going to give you credit for because I like it.

So you read my 371 thoroughly enough to make this determination but you didn't notice my scum read of Aristophanes?

Switches to BC while whining about us not paying attention to who he was voting before but saying nothing about his own suspicions of BC if he had them.

You quote my reason for suspecting BC in this exact post. Post 559

Then not too long after that, he does this vote. Ari was mentioned as playing elsewhere but he jumped on this like a cat seeing a flopping fish and never says why he thinks Ari is scum outside of being inactive. BUT, Scorpius now needs to be the final lynch. Where did he say Scorpius was a scumread also in addition to Ari, BC, and earlier Errant-did he ever say why Errant was no longer a scumread? I'm having trouble follwing the thought process here and that worries me a bit.

I'll quote my response to the first part that I had already written in response to you asking the same thing:

You also mentioned that you didn't like that I was voting for someone other than who I wanted to be lynched ultimately. And I don't even get why that's a problem. I voted for Aristophanes because you said he was active elsewhere on the site, figured he was still looking at the thread because of that, and voted for him so he'd see that he needed to actually contribute. I still voiced my support of the Scorpious wagon so it wouldn't lose traction (to no avail because KT and Dwlee swapped over to Aristophanes really quickly fsr). I'm not going to vote park on someone, even if I think they are the scummiest, if I think my vote will be of greater use or garner better reactions elsewhere.

Once again, I mention my scum read of Scorpious in post 371. Remember, the one that you liked?
No, I never said Errant was no longer a scum read until later on. But I think it's a little unreasonable to expect me to post about it in the thread every time a read changes. Anyway, I talk more about EP here.

Good lord, look how many people Spiffeh casts suspicion on here? First, it's BC for his Sonic vote. Then it's us for ours. Then it's KT for jumping off Scorpius. Then he decides his scumread on Ari can wait cuz he's not here which is fair actually. Then complains about Scorpius again and says he' lurking off suspicion.

So let me get this straight, Spiffeh is suspicious of:

-BC

-US

-idk what happened with Errant but I think at one time he changed this to a townread which is fair so I'll drop it

-Ari

-KT-I think? Not sure on this one.

-Scorpius

Also Spiffeh, I did find your reasons for suspecting Scorpius. While I have trouble with his picking at KT and dwlee, you seem to think that no one is allowed to scumhunt KT because of his age or they are suspicious. Makes no sense.

Also, the minute I started suspecting you, you insinuated I might be scum for not automatically reading your reasons for your votes and assuming you are town.

Oh come on now this is ridiculous. First of all, who cares how many people I am suspicious of? You think that makes me scummy? This is me scum hunting. I say what comes to my mind. You should know this from Delicious 2. And me asking KT a question does not mean I am casting suspicion on him.

I do not believe that KT should be exempt from scum hunting. I even do it myself as you pointed out. I agree with you that I shouldn't have interfered when you were interacting with him, but I don't think I have exhibited any other actions indicating that people should leave him alone, and nor should they.

And yes I was becoming a little worried about you because you ignored an entire post I had typed up that had addressed almost every single issue you expressed in the post I quoted.

tl;dr It's really hard to overlook how much I had to point you to when you said you were going to read me thoroughly. You're going into reading me with your mind already made up because I am not the spitting image of the last game we played together. Can you at least give some examples of differences you are seeing in my play from Delicious 2? I do understand why you'd be concerned about the KT situation, but that's all I'll give you. The rest of your points are reaches and could be reflections of your preconceptions of me. I think it should be clear from the rest of my actions what I have been doing and what my thought processes have been. So I don't know if that one moment early on scarred you or something, or if there's something more to it. You're attacking what you want to be there as opposed to the content I have been providing, and I can't tell if it's genuine paranoia or not.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from.

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Dwlee can you explain why you want to lynch me.

I also want SW to at least acknowledge my response to her when she gets the chance.

Also I feel like no one even read it

I'll respond to other stuff later.

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Dwlee did you read my response to CotW?

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Because I think I cover almost everything she had a problem with and you don't just get to make a blanket statement that you agree with her when I proved that several of her points didn't hold water.

Like wow that's a bad vote.

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What specifically about her post did you agree with? And look over my response to it and make sure I didn't address it to your liking before you do so.

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Yes it's in spoilers.

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But even so I don't get how you can be convinced by CotW's post when there are some pretty obvious things wrong with it.

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No I want to know what had you convinced and what in my reply changed your mind.

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If I wanted the posts requoted and my question ignored I would have asked.

So you're telling me you liked agreed with everything that CotW said, before you read my post.
Then you read my post and agreed with everything I said?

This seems unnatural.

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No CotW respond to my post first (if you're SW at least)

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I still need to read BC's recent posts before I decide to keep my vote or move elsewhere.

ATM leaning toward voting Scorpious.

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Look at the post of mine Dwlee quoted above (I'm on a phone or I would grab it myself)

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What I noticed here is that you kept your vote on Anna until you were sure that your scumread there was resolved. You didn't just vote wherever it looked like a good wagon was about to pop up. I townread you hard in that game. On top of that I was worried about your concern for how Titus was reading you. I felt like you were too concerned with appearance. A few other comments have given me that idea as well. Your interference in my KT vote pinged as well. So did your Errant vote. Some of it was just gut and feeling and paranoia because I haven't been able to read you as town this game and I've never seen you as scum.

True, I guess I remembered that wrong. But I still don't think voting wherever a wagon will crop up (and I don't think it's fair to say that's all I've been doing but w/e) is an effective method of scum hunting on Day 1. Especially since we know how wrong I was about tunneling Anna in that game.

Either way, paranoia was kind of the answer I'd expect from town you so I am mostly ok with how your read has progressed on me.

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE: KT
VOTE: Dwlee

I've never seen anyone get away with such erratic behavior.. Also thinking Bastion is scum now too..

I think BC vs. COTW is TvT..

If you think erratic behavior is scummy what do you think of CotW fighting BC to the death and now retracting that read?

[Spiffeh]

@Sir Bastion who do you think is scum other than Scorpious because you've really put a lot of focus onto him this whole day which leaves me wondering where your head is at regarding everyone else

[Spiffeh]

OK Plotinus is town. Could you tell BBT to stop being so scummy?

~SW

Can you explain why you think Plot is town enough to negate your whole spat with BBT?

[Spiffeh]

I'll try! His playstyle is pretty nitpicky.

Do you want to lynch Tony or Spiffeh?

--P

And could you restate or point to why you're scum reading me please?

Also you said you liked some of SW's spoiler thing to me but could you tell me what you think about my response to her?

I'd also like to know if BBT is still scumreading CotW.

[Spiffeh]

Spiffeh's responses to dwlee made me o.0 (compare his response to the vote to bbt's 'wtf is that bad vote') and his response to you looked forced. I'm townreading your slot hard and asking plot about the lynch helped me gauge my read on her better.

What response are you referring to? And what about my response looked forced?

Forced is a buzzword a lot of people use and then never expand on it and it pisses me off.

If TonyMontana doesn't post something substantial other than hopping on the largest wagon and just tries to lurk out the rest of the day I will be willing to vote for him.

[Spiffeh]

Still need to re-ISO Scorpious but I cbf rn

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE: BeardedCat don't want to lynch this today

[Spiffeh]

I don't think scum BBT pushes you so hard and so suddenly when he could probably get away with attacking someone less capable of defending themselves and be more consistent.
I also got town vibes from Plot's latest posts which makes me think my earlier problem with him was more due to me not being familiar with his playstyle.
I'm still wary of Plot's bad MS vote but not enough to lynch them for it.

@gummmy I am heavily leaning towards a Scorpious lynch atm but I'm gonna ISO him now and see if that holds.

[Spiffeh]

I want to know what BBT head thinks of CotW now.

And Dwlee I am finding it really difficult to see where your head is at when you suddenly vote for someone and retract it almost immediately. Who are you leaning towards lynching?

[Spiffeh]

I'd also be perfectly fine with flash lynching Aristophanes.

[Spiffeh]

I think Aristophanes is being allowed to skate by because he's in "catch up mode" when his catch ups just summarize a lot and lack a definitive scum read. Like it uses words like "odd" and "weird" to describe Scorpious and it makes me think he is throwing that stuff in there so he doesn't have to commit but also has an excuse to hop on the wagon later.

His blind support of the Dwlee/KT TvS ides is also not great.

Also this is like the exact thing Aristophanes himself said here:

I feel like one of Dwlee/KT should be scum. Leaning on KT.
Thoughts?

and the post he's citing is a mere 100 posts after Aristophanes thought this himself. I think he is noticing the consensus on Scorpious forming and throwing things out there so he has an excuse to condense on Scorpious if need be.

This all makes me less comfortable with voting Scorpious and I think Aristophanes should really be an option we consider.

CotW, BC, EP, Dwlee thoughts?

PEdit: Dwlee did you think I was accusing you or something? Because I think it's pretty clear that's not what I was doing. That was a very powerful reaction to my question.

[Spiffeh]

Ftr I don't think MS was all that scummy but he is tough to read and I don't like Tony's one post and I feel like lynching that slot isn't the worst thing in the world.

[Spiffeh]

Scorpious calling your interactions with KT Town vs. Scum was "not great" for Aristophanes when Aristophanes himself made the same observation 100 posts earlier.

Since it looks like a possibility
VOTE: Aristophanes

[Spiffeh]

Isn't deadline in three days?

And even if it isn't I'm still comfortable with my vote.

[Spiffeh]

Why Bastion?

[Spiffeh]

I remember agreeing with that post wholeheartedly so explain how it's inaccurate.

[Spiffeh]

@Sir Bastion who do you think is scum other than Scorpious because you've really put a lot of focus onto him this whole day which leaves me wondering where your head is at regarding everyone else

[Spiffeh]

CotW thoughts on Aristophanes?

[Spiffeh]

CotW thoughts on Aristophanes?

[Spiffeh]

Come condense over here then

[Spiffeh]

Condensing. Not my preferred lynch but it's better than none at all.

VOTE: Scorpious L-1

[Spiffeh]

I feel like this is gonna be a mislynch

[Spiffeh]

Everyone conveniently on V/LA

[Spiffeh]

Don't ew me.

I don't like that Rory comes in and says "btw Scorp is prob town" 13 hours from deadline when he's at L-1

[Spiffeh]

And I just told you my reason for saying that.

[Spiffeh]

@BBT because of what Rory said about Scorp fake claiming weak doc.

[Spiffeh]

Can we flashlynch Aristophanes?

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Spiffeh]

I am prodging right now but I will read up and post tonight.

[Spiffeh]

Why are we speculating about roles instead of scum hunting?

Aristophanes is scum and needs to die.

[Spiffeh]

The Scorpious flip is basically null for Aristophanes. I don't know why gummmy asked that question as if Aristophanes was off the table?

[Spiffeh]

I'm also here and still confused at why Aristophanes isn't being wagoned to oblivion!!

[Spiffeh]

The Aristophanes case can be found in my ISO and literally nothing he has done has changed anything.

Before his scumbuddies can jump on me for tunnelling him

[Spiffeh]

Yeah the entirety of Aristophanes' contribution today has been setup/role speculation and asking why he was being voted.

Please wagon.

[Spiffeh]

Guys can we get this wagon on Ari going there's like 3 days left.

[Spiffeh]

Starbuck does that.

Vote for Aristophanes.

@pignash I see your case will coment on it later

[Spiffeh]

Starbuck can you vote for Aristophanes?

[Spiffeh]

Pretty sure Starbuck is town.

Will get to other things later.

[Spiffeh]

Can you claim?

[Spiffeh]

Gummmy I've had a pretty severe lack of motivation for this game since the day started so that's probably where the lack of urgency comes from.

[Spiffeh]

Ugh that post seems really town.

Who's down for a Bella flash wagon?

[Spiffeh]

Aristophanes were you scum?

[Spiffeh]

Sir Bastion I don't think that logic holds up.

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Spiffeh]

Yes because I think Bella is scum.

I will also condense on Bastion or Ari if need be.

Tony what happened to your town read on me?

[Spiffeh]

TonyMontana wanting to lynch me at the eleventh hour for my behavior after I've been acting this way all game is scummy af

Scum's true colors show when deadline approaches!

Anyone want to lynch him?

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Aristophanes

W/e someone needs death and I'd prefer this over Bastion

[Spiffeh]

Just because I haven't stated I was scum reading Bella doesn't mean it wasn't happening.

She has been buddying BC all day and she's mostly PoE at this point.

I like how gummmy mentions me not talking about a Bella scum read all day but ignores TONYMONTANA CALLING ME TOWN AND THEN SUDDENLY WANTING TO LYNCH ME

Nice double standard.

[Spiffeh]

Just because I haven't been around most of the day people just conveniently disregard everything I fucking did yesterday that got them to previously town read me and it's ridiculous.

[Spiffeh]

If you're going to lynch me do it now because a no lynch is the worst option even over my death.
If not condense onto SOMEONE

[Spiffeh]

I had a whole read progression argument with CotW Day 1 and no one felt the need to chime in about my lack of clear progression when it wasn't 6 hours to deadline

[Spiffeh]

FYI BeardedCat will be living tonight.

[Spiffeh]

Just hammer please

[Spiffeh]

Starbuck hammer

[Spiffeh]

Starbuck it's very scummy if you don't hammer and allow a nl

[Spiffeh]

Starbuck did you think we would lynch anyone else in four hours?

[Spiffeh]

It's ok good effort

Out of myself/Bastion/Aristophanes (who seem to be the options) I think this was the best choice.

[Spiffeh]

Yeah BC not being dead probs means they're scum js

I fully expect to be lynched today so just remember that when I flip.

Not to mention Plot town reading me yesterday and completely tossing that read to the wayside.

[Spiffeh]

Let me at least find the scum before you guys lynch me

[Spiffeh]

Oh true I forgot I did that lol

[Spiffeh]

Also I don't think I even VT slipped but isn't you acknowledging that I VT slipped mean you think I'm town?

But you're voting for me?

So you're scum, yes?

[Spiffeh]

BBT didn't like Spiffeh's Ari push in 1218, calling it baseless. Spiff, did you also think dwlee had a guilty? He said that he agrees with Spiffeh in 1221 that setupspec/rolespec is scummy but doesn't think it's good enough reason to have someone as your top scumread.

BBT clearly read 0 of my posts day 1.

[Spiffeh]

But you said "you VT slipped".

Your post does not explain how that DOESN'T imply you know I'm town.

VOTE: BeardedCat

I'm also starting to think all your gigantic read posts of each player was just noise to make you seem contributional, especially since you are just discarding all of it today.

But w/e

[Spiffeh]

Whoa, didn't see BC's post there before my post.

I'll quote post that BC *didnt* link to, that pinged my interest.

If you're going to lynch me do it now because a no lynch is the worst option even over my death.
If not condense onto SOMEONE

"Take my life, just don't let us no-lynch" he heroically proclaimed as he had one vote on him.

Um yes because I wanted to make sure a lynch went through?

[Spiffeh]

Yeah the fact that Plot and BBT have to harp on how the night kill points to me makes me confident in my vote.

BC just spoon feed your scumbuddies reasons to vote for me already

[Spiffeh]

Also no I did not think Dwlee had a guilty.

Don't you dare act like Aristophanes was not the scummiest scumfuck in the world for the entire game until he claimed. Anyone who does is an automatic scum read

[Spiffeh]

I disagree with his nightkill analysis but otherwise his posts this day phase are less bad. Still, I see no reason not to lynch him.

BC saying there is no reason not to lynch Aristophanes.

Today they don't like me for my Aristophanes push and because the nightkill points to me.

Do you have anything that's not hypocritical or stupid?

[Spiffeh]

I always overdramatize.

Tbh Starbuck I'm not really a fan of how Spiffeh-negative your catch ups have been today especially since I look like the consensus lynch.

js

[Spiffeh]

Starbuck that is a TERRRRRIIIIBBBBBBLLLLLEEEEEEE post

[Spiffeh]

You're already posturing for when I flip town

[Spiffeh]

Make sure it's not anything that I have explained already because I really hate repeating myself

[Spiffeh]

There's something really fucking weird about the Bella/BC interactions and I am confident that at least one of them is scum.

They have been all "omg I'm so paranoid of you" and have done like absolutely nothing to make anything of this "paranoia".

Wouldn't be surprised if they were both scum

[Spiffeh]

Largest town read is Dwlee. Sir Bastion is a town lean because his Aristophanes push when he claimed looked genuine.

KT looked town but I don't remember a thing pignash has posted.

So I'm only willing to lynch any of [BeardedCat, Starbuck, Bellaphant, ErrantParabola, TonyMontana].

I need to ISO Bella and Errant thoroughly.

[Spiffeh]

I'm not even confident in my town reads gdi

[Spiffeh]

Dwlee who do you think is scum?

[Spiffeh]

Well KT had me fooled... Lol

[Spiffeh]

Plot don't act like you're reading back with both already know a KT scum flip makes me look bad.

[Spiffeh]

TonyMontana is a bad vote.

[Spiffeh]

I've changed my mind.

[Spiffeh]

Tony you have p. horrible opinions tbh

But you're town so remedy this by voting BC

[Spiffeh]

Dwlee TonyMontana is town.

[Spiffeh]

I think it's BC and Starbuck I see literally no other options.

Unless EP is a scum master manipulator but he seems really town to me.

[Spiffeh]

Dwlee will you vote Starbuck with me?

It's BC and Starbuck with the very very off chance of EP.

One of them is being lynched today.

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Starbuck

[Spiffeh]

Still think the last two scum are BC and Starbuck

I would be willing to lynch either with a preference for BC.

I am slightly paranoid of Dwlee pulling the wool over my eyes but I don't have the time to look into that right now so I'll just trust my read.

[Spiffeh]

I'm VT

Sorry guys I kinda lost interest half way through and scum are capitalizing on that.

Like notice there's still really no case on me?

[Spiffeh]

Harold Godwinson

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: BeardedCat

[Spiffeh]

That's null. I think it gives an advantage because you wouldn't really expect them to do it. But there's no way we could know.

I'll try to elaborate some more on my BC read later but no promises.

[Spiffeh]

Ok guys I'm not scum but I'll hammer myself before deadline to make sure we get a lynch.

[Spiffeh]

BC tried to push the BS nightkill analysis on me. And I'll still go back to their awful reaction to MS saying BBT was ignoring the thread and how they misrepped the FUCK out of him.

It is mostly PoE at this point because i think Sir Bastion, Dwlee, EP, and TonyMontana (obv) are all town.

I feel like scum captialized on my losing interest and tried to push that JUST BECAUSE I did some unconventional shit at deadline that I still don't see as scummy. And everyone just bought into it.

That's not to say I played great in any sense of the word because obviously my KT read was way the fuck off. So sorry town for playing poorly.

[Spiffeh]

Starbuck is probably the other scum because she really hasn't done anything outside of her catchup which I pointed out earlier, skewed to view me in a negative light when it looked like the consensus was settling on me for the day.

[Spiffeh]

I also feel like BC and Starbuck have basically no visible paranoia of each other.

Still hold strong at the Bella-BC interactions were really off and have at least one scum in them.

Please just lynch one of Starbuck and BC tomorrow to avenge me.

[Spiffeh]

P. disappointed in Dwlee and EP if they're town for constantly saying I'm town but not doing jack shit about it

[Spiffeh]

I'll be hammering myself in 20 minutes.

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Spiffeh]

I think we've all learned a valuable lesson here.

Never lynch me.
I am always town.

[Spiffeh]

Btw I thought the scum team did a pretty fantastic job.
Especially EP who I like never suspected for a minute.

[Spiffeh]

Also yeah Dwlee why didn't you claim?

[Spiffeh]

Where I'm from a no lynch is 10x worse than a mislynch.
It would have just been MYLO the next day and you guys would have still lynched me so I gave you another opportunity to get it right.

[Spiffeh]

I thought everyone left was vanilla

Scum would probs just no kill anyway.

[Spiffeh]

But them no killing would mean you would always get no result lol