League of Legends (Old)

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Definitely agreed - but it's not absolutely necessary - most tanks actually have decent enough AP scalings that some MPen and AP are worthwhile, and the few AD tanks tend to like BC.

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???

Cait's not very good right now either though.

Caitlyn's actually pretty decet right now.

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Caitlyn gets to be relevant in mid-game through a traps max 2nd. During midgame she's your anti-siege.

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It makes perfect sense, Psyche.

This. It's way easier to get out of bronze with simple champions that have tons of carry potential.

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... I am literally the worst solo laner in all of league of legends. I don't get it.

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he seems like a nightmare to toplane against as a melee tank or bruiser. His E Passive is interesting as it introduces a sort of DOTA element. His Active E is NUTSO. They show him going from Base to dragon pit with it. It's pretty slow, but still!

I also feel like it's the ability he'd max last. You'll probably get a lower CD + mana cost and better stun + damage (or multiple of those) from Q, and W directly affects his passive, which is most of his damage. The only thing I expect his E to give is longer flight duration, because riot said in the reveal topic that E flight in early ranks is small as shit.

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It's the best skin in the game. If I could play him well AND didn't already have a fantastic skin for him, I'd buy it.

Gladiator and

Primetime, all the way.

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Lose your internet connection forever

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You don't play Teemo jungle AP - you play him with devourer and other on-hits.

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And recently, one of MF's builds on the site had two LDRs.

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I wouldn't think support Morg would have an option and Q would be required at lv 1, but I hate botlane and don't claim to understand it.

In many a matchup starting w means you win the race to lv2.

I'm with myko - getting level 2 first in bottom lane is the single most important moment aside from level 6. I always start w on morg and may not get q until level 3, depending on the matchup.

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Well, most of the time.

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So, Reddit's in a bug hullaballoo over most likely not getting solo queue, so I did the math to see how many games it'd take to get a roughly 50% chance of playing premade 5s vs. random 5s, and in order to save me some time, in order to have a 50.4% chance of playing premade 5s vs. random 5s ONCE, you need to play 4800 games - so its effectively wash for the normal ranked player, despite how much it favours premades.

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I was aware that wasn't the issue - but I think people are legit being too serious about it. Rank doesn't matter until you hit gold for prizes, and then once you hit high diamond for competitive stuff if you want to play in LCS. Everything else is still superficial crap. Like, hitting plat currently gives you nothing but a sense of achievment, etc.

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As someone who has played ranked soli and dynamic:

1) It is much harder to "boost" people hilariously under your skill level than people think.
2) Gold 5 has always been shit die to people paying to get boosted there.

3) If you are playing at all, you should be improving as you reach higher ranks - otherwise you will still reach a point where you can't even climb with your friends.

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I was aware that wasn't the issue - but I think people are legit being too serious about it. Rank doesn't matter until you hit gold for prizes, and then once you hit high diamond for competitive stuff if you want to play in LCS. Everything else is still superficial crap. Like, hitting plat currently gives you nothing but a sense of achievment, etc.

I guess it's "Superficial" in the sense that there's no tangible reward for it, but it's clearly not unimportant to people. I don't care about skins or borders. I do care about my rank. A sense of achievement is probably 95% of the reason to play ranked. Otherwise, why bother?

I 'm not saying you aren't allowed to care - feel free! But each individual rank means very little as nothing but a small goal to hit to improve your play unless you put more into it then that - which is more than fine to do. Its this reason that I feel like people are slightly overblowing it - my rank has nothing to do with your rank, unless we play each other, and even then, at the end of the day, by the end of the ranked season, it will mean almost nothing again.

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I'm not talking about boosting. I'm talking about the natural effects of the same person playing all the time with his 4 buddies vs. that same person playing by himself. His rank is unlikely to be the same unless all involved are the same level as he is, and even then it's hard to know because the system pairs premades up with premades as much as possible.

And the same issue was with duo q - but aside from the issue of having up to 3 extra people, duo queue was the saviour of rankd for many people.

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Which is once again less likely than people think, and they aren't as evil as people say. I have queedas 4 mans in norms, and very little (if ever) do we bitch about the 4th player and how its all his fault.

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Norms don't equate to ranked very well.

I can say the quote and edit norms for ranked and still not benlig if it matters.

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Basically, I'm not convinced that "These premades are fucking over my ranking" is nothing but an excuse.

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I can't say much about diminished integrity aside from "my solo queue games actually feel much better this year as a whole", so theres my perspective.

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Agreed NCS needs tweaks (which is underway), and any changes premades made to diminish integrity feels like always getting the roles your team want have increased it by more.

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I actually think climbing as a solo should be easier than as a group.

Then you have to ask riot for some major changes to lol, because not only will you communicate better with people you know, but you can also guess what they will do, making your game easier on you - and this is true for virtually every game and sport.

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I'm going to assume myko's trolling me here.

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Agreed NCS needs tweaks (which is underway), and any changes premades made to diminish integrity feels like always getting the roles your team want have increased it by more.

Just as a point, do you honestly think that it wouldn't be better if we had NCS AND solo queue, because it's mostly a matter of 2 steps forward, 3 steps backward for ranked from these changes.

No, because that'd segment the community like crazy and create two groups of people thinking that the ranked queue they use is the best queue and the other one is dumb. Plus I do't have that kind of time to bother ranking in 2 queues.

Fact is not only is there a loss of integrity, you really can't argue against the fact that the premades that are in any game have more influence over it then the solo players.

And the same was true with duo q last year, and no one was this mad about it then. A duo queue will exert more influence in a game than 3 solos in most cases. And I've played games with premades I didn't queue with too. I've had games where I carry them, and they carry me. Besides, as I've already stated, any loss in integrity is more than made up for by the fact that everyone actually gets a role they want, making games much more fair that way.

Personally i prefer solo, and i think i've only had 2 games this season where there wasn't a premade (to my knowledge, there still could have been) otherwise i have mostly had premades, and in most cases, they override a lot of what the non-premade's do, whether it's because they are not the best and premaking together (or not taking it seriously, i actually had someone argue that "it's dynamic queue get over it")

Ranked Solo OR Dynamic) has ALWAYS been about how well you can adapt to the situation given to you, so in that aspect, its the exact bloody same.

or because the other premade knows what they are doing more than the premade on your team.

TL;DR EVERYONE ON MY TEAM SUCKS BUT ME. This is bullshit and you know it. The "my team always sucks, their team is constantly godlike" has been proven as bullshit so many different ways in this thread and in lol as a whole I'm not going over this.

You can't honestly tell me that you think allowing premades of larger sizes keeps the Ranked integrity in the game.

Already been addressed.

Hell even a lot of professionals are waiting for Solo queue (i've seen at least 2 bring up that they are wanting riot to hurry up before now), and i really doubt that anyone is impressed with Riot's move here.

As far as I'm aware, the issue is multiplied beyond belief at high ELO (read as: LCS-level players). Fix the issue in low ELO, and you fix the issue at high ELO. If you're gonig to argue that the issue is effecting you as much as its effecting Diamond 1, you are flat out a liar.

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I can't say much about that, because I don't think like that.

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I was secretly keeping him to myself D: @Psyche

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So why does Oceania need their own names? Everyone's either a cunt or a mate anyway, so what's the difference if you change the names?

It's April first in Oceania.

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Man I missed ascesion. Best game mode by far.

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Got a Penta on Vlad in ARAM. Yay!

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I had a screencap but rito doesn't like screencaps apparently, because it was black.

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Fucked if i know honestly, i think that may be what they decided on instead of the skip a tier/division mechanic, but i never heard anything about 2 free wins even for that so.

Since this was never answered:

* You will only ever get 1 free win in a B03 as long as you don't drop a division.
* You will start out with 1 free win in a B05 as long as you don't drop a division.
* If you lose that B05, you will get 2 free wins as long as you don't drop a division.
* You will continue to get 2 free wins as long as you don't drop a division.

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well... you can't buy runes with money, and you don't need access to all champions to win... it's not even more likely you'll win with more champions. My alt account has historically been a higher rank than my main one and it has 20 champions (most of which are the 450 IP variety) and 3 rune pages. There's no need to spend money for that.

The vast majority of the money they make is from skins anyway, which are cosmetic.

But I'm being oppressed by Big League! I can't have as fulfilling experience or get to learn all of the champs because I'm poooooor!

"I'm impatient! The free champion rotation isn't good enough for me!"

You can stop trolling the thread now. You're not even doing well.

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GIF is new to the game, in case "day 2" didn't make that obvious enough.

Good job, GIF!

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I'm pretty sure "most broken abilities in the game" go to Kayle ult and Tryndamere ult.

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You can also spell shield the application of zed ult, but not the pop.

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I am now ahipping Jason x Ank due to avatars.

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I still ship it.

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He's losing a lot of his ability to push every wave at the same time to do that, though.

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I still have no idea what I'm going to call the other hextech item.

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If you're looking for a mid laner, I'd recommend learning Annie. Simple to pick up and have massive impact on!

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3 Nocturne games over the last 48 hours, 2 of which have been deathless and full AD. Go me.

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Myko, most of the changes aren't meant to be buffs - they're meant to bring those champions up to current design standards or fix some gameplay issues in their kit.

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I like the new champ. However, Rito can't say they're concerned about mobility creep then add a champion with an ability that does damage on dashes to help resolve it, and then give that champ two hypermobile abilities.

Double TP meta and the sheer amount of global skills (including high movement stuff) is really changing the game. I'm not sure I like it, but it is what it is.

I'd hardly consider 20% - 56% MS buff near walls while not in combat hypermobile. And on top of that, Taliyah's R is on a 160 second cooldown and stops if Taliyah takes damage. She basically has the mobility of Nocturne, with a longer R range, but can be stopped.

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Anything good at objective control (or objective taking) as a jungler will be very strong next patch (and the patches following it), so prep your nunus everyone!

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So Fire Dragon is insane. If it spawns and you take it, it's so easy to snowball with.

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We already had this discussion in the other thread. The answer to that is there's no way to do it in league without making it a different game.

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and that discussion was before patch 6.9

And ADCs didn't change in 6.9!

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I feel Bloodrazer kinda kills ww.

You do realize his ult will proc bloodrazor five times, right. And QSS doesn't stop ww's ult damage, either.

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The elemental dragons are the same as the old ones in strength, they just give diffferent effects.

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Better idea - don't play lissandra in the jungle.

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I mean, she clears like shit, has massive mana issues, and is prone to invades. If you want an ap jungler, play elise or nidalee or diana.

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I mean we did just run through an ADC meta for the preseason and first few months of S6. This is how things work - the op things get nerfed, and eventually they get buffed back up.

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hiplop's right. As of now, there are 3 mages involved in the update with a winrate over 51% - Annie, Fiddlesticks, and Malzahar. Anivia, Brand, and Zyra are hovering around 50 - 51%, and everything else is under. That's 6 of 16 updated mages with a 50% or better winrate.

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Let's look at these mages one by one, then.

Brand - Brand always has been and always will be a combo mage. If you're playing him and constantly missing his skillshots than you're missing over half of Brand's damage before the rework. Missing any ability in his kit was crucial.

Vel'Koz - Vel'Koz's entire identity shifted from "AOE teamfight mage" to single target long-range assassin. Your ult does much less damage than it used to if you didn't hit your entire combo on your intended target, and he also lost his waveclear.

Cass - Cassio's currently got a ton of feel bad problems on the rework, so I'm not sure how this'll work out, but dedicated Cassio mains have been calling her clunky as shit.

Swain - Swain's getting hotfix buffs and I've seen him once, so I don't know what his issues are.

Vlad - Honestly I think vlad is sleeper OP, and people are just constantly constantly using max charge E and dieing to that.

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And the ADCs get to play against the other ADCs.

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And the ADCs get to play against the other ADCs.

You don't get the point.
If ALL adc's could kill tanks in 2 autos, all the adcs would have win rates around 50%. I bet you would call adcs op in that situation. So therefore saying "All mages have around a 50% win rate therefore they're not broken" is illogical.

If ADCs could kill tanks in 2 autos no other class would be relevant and you know it.

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I'm aware, but the adcs would still have around 50% win rates because all of them are op.

You're saying to sacrifice the balance of every other class and make them useless just so ADCs can be broken as fuck. That's the worst balance decision I've ever heard.

Not even that would be correct, either - some ADCs would still do that job better than others. By the way, most ADCs already have winrates of over 50%. Since you're plat and champion.gg uses only data from plat+, let me give you this list I made based on winrate in the bottom lane alone:

Sub 50% (from highest to lowest winrate):
Jhin
Vayne
Kalista
Tristana
Corki
Urgot
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Over 50% (from highest to lowest):
Twitch
Ashe
Sivir
Quinn
Kog
Jinx
MF
Caitlyn
Draven
Varus
Ezreal
Lucian

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You got that a bit backwards, KScope.

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But since we must:

Jhin and Kalista are both meta ADCs for their lane phase. Vayne is Vayne and will always be popular. According to champion.gg, Trist is 8th in playrate among ADCs, so around average. The only 2 low playrates are Urgot (duh) and Corki (where they nerfed his passive auto damage).

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After 3 attempts I have made Gold V!

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Competitive play.

Also, I just played Ekko top because I hadn't played against it. HOLY SHIT THAT CHAMP IS BUSTED.

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The champ isn't busted, it's the combination of the OP tank items + Tank mastery + the stickiness of ekko.

Ekko is just one of the champions that can exploit it best.

Enlighten me. Tank Ekko starts with what mysteries? What do I build?

I went 12/0/18 w/ Grasp. Sunfire into Iceborn against AD, otherwise Visage into the above if vs. AP.

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Man Renekton is so fun.

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Man Renekton is so fun.

Elaborate.

Consider yourself elaborated.

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I'll take an S-, but dammit how is this not an S+