Why Dierfire? To me, he's trying really hard to sort out who he feels is suspicious and none of the cases he presented so far have read like scum trying to push a mislynch.In post 1552, Zoronos wrote:Don't have a lot of time today but here's my current scum suspicions / thoughts:
Boring, PenguinPower, Implosion, Dierfire.
It's unlikely that Boring and Penguin are scum together.
LUV might deserve a place on the list but I'm not sure yet.
Obviously this list is bigger than it should be but w/e, I'll get to that when I have more time.
Shadow_step, you probably want to dial back the up-to-11 aggression.
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In post 1568, Shadow_step wrote:
LUVIn post 1560, Gamma Emerald wrote:So other than Eager, Maria and implosion, who believed there could be 2 town ascetics?
Wait, what? I didn't read you as town there. I was saying you're terrible because the case you had on Eager was terrible. As for considering town possibly lying, I had two reasons for town reading Snake, one was the time and the way he claimed and the other was I thought he was hiding the fact he had an actually useful PR and was intentionally acting the way he was so scum won't have a reason to kill him at night.In post 1579, Shadow_step wrote:
If he thinks I'm scum, I would obviously not consider Eager to be town. Why the hell would I? He then says that Eager could be lying town. Implying he knows eager I town. Lying as town is very risky. Not just in that game. But you can get blacklisted.In post 1046, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
You're the one that's terrible my friend. The only case you have on Eager is that you cannot fathom that both you and him were given the same role. You either refuse or won't take into consideration a town motive for lying. If Eager had not claimed, your read on him would be null. You have no backup plan if he flips town and if he flips scum, it's an excuse to push on anyone who defended him or didn't vote for him.In post 959, Shadow_step wrote:
Jesus Christ, stop playing you're fucking terrible. Gambiting mafia lmaoIn post 928, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.In post 921, Shadow_step wrote:
Then what is the reason Sherlock?In post 916, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
It seemed implied and either way, I never said that was my reason for voting for you.In post 906, Shadow_step wrote:Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?
Did you iso me? You think I'm scum and ccing eager under no pressure when I didn't need to ?
LUV treats me as if I am town here.
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On looking back over the end of the day, listing Dierfire may have been a mistake.In post 1600, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why Dierfire? To me, he's trying really hard to sort out who he feels is suspicious and none of the cases he presented so far have read like scum trying to push a mislynch.
Maria really wanted to kill him, and my gut dislikes him, but it certainly looks like he was trying to do work. *shrug*
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Wait, gamma is still scum.ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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VOTE: GammaShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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I think gamma is scum because he was believing any vague stupid theories and voting people for shallow reasons without even thinking about it.ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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I was noting the sequence of events. Prism tunnels you, then you tunnel me. To expand, it's a good, risk-free distraction because there was already a wagon on me. It takes you from a defensive position to an offensive one. If you're scum, it's exactly the right move to keep you under the radar.In post 1577, implosion wrote:
I'm curious what you mean by this; it seems like it could mean pretty much anything. My best guess is that you mean to say that I brought up a wagon on you as a counterwagon to eagerSnake? And it sounds like you're trying to imply that that was a scummy thing to do? Which I find deeply confusing. So I'd like some clarification.@Prism - You were after implosion yesterday. His tunnel timing me seems less than a coincidence,
I'd also like some clarification on how you (seemingly, I may be misinterpreting things here) are simultaneously criticizing me for tunneling you on d1 and for not having strong reads on d1.
Regarding the issue wit reads, the criticism you noted wasn't all that confusing. You were criticized for not having reads (not by me). You responded by explaining that you don't have reads day 1, that it's just how you operate, and then proceeded to tunnel me (ironically, for something that's clearly personality based). It's the timing that I find fishy, not the action itself. Everyone who participates, and takes risks, gets tunneled at some point. Your tunnel in particular seemed artificial and "safe".
This was largely due to time constraints. I only had about 30 minutes a day to play, so I had to focus on avoiding my mislynch in abstentia (also, I was pretty confident that eager was scum). I'm really hoping that my time will open up now so I can better immerse in the game.In post 1592, Zoronos wrote: Boring - Her posting was mostly defensive, we went over this in detail yesterday about why he read flipped. She didn't seem to do any work to suss out which of Eager and SS were the correct lynch, she just followed her top read SS to turn on her second to top read. I was in the middle of inquisiting this a bit when the hammer came down, but there we are.-
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Gamma does this as town. I can't rule out the possibility that he plays the same as town and as scum. All I have to go on is his town game, and this looks just like his town game.In post 1607, Shadow_step wrote:I think gamma is scum because he was believing any vague stupid theories and voting people for shallow reasons without even thinking about it.
My first newbie game had mostly experienced players by Day 2, and one thing they effectively drilled into my head is that actions are NAI. Motives are all that matters. That's probably why the more experienced players seem to ignore the traditional "tell" lists and VCA.
There's no scum motivation for Gamma to hop around, apply moon logic, weave between his own path and arguments he likes in thread. Especially not with scum daytalk. Either he'd have been instructed to knock it off, or his buddies would be gearing up to bus him for town cred.-
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You realize I hadIn post 1600, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: Why Dierfire? To me, he's trying really hard to sort out who he feels is suspicious and none of the cases he presented so far have read like scum trying to push a mislynch.justasked that, right?
So does this mean that Shadow is your top scum read at this point?In post 1601, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: Wait, what? I didn't read you as town there. I was saying you're terrible because the case you had on Eager was terrible. As for considering town possibly lying, I had two reasons for town reading Snake, one was the time and the way he claimed and the other was I thought he was hiding the fact he had an actually useful PR and was intentionally acting the way he was so scum won't have a reason to kill him at night.-
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Can you point out where / what this was?In post 1609, boring wrote:for something that's clearly personality based.
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This is the example with implosion:In post 1612, Zoronos wrote:
Can you point out where / what this was?In post 1609, boring wrote:for something that's clearly personality based.
Since by definition something personality-based is NAI, seeing where someone is casing off NAI behavior is instructive.
Spoiler:
Here's another, involving nn30:
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Both have been projecting their own thought processes onto others without considering that it's merely a matter of personality/personal preference. Shadow is doing it too, which is why I argued his vote on Gamma. I'm not saying it automatically makes them scum or town, seeing as it's some people's default mode for relating to others. It's just that it leads down NAI paths.-
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What makes Penguin stand out in your scum pool?In post 1613, Zoronos wrote:I'm bored and I feel like I'm primarily talking to myself.
Let's talk about this then: VOTE: PenguinPower-
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Looking at the lynch yesterday, he provided no arguments for why Eager specifically was scum in the pair, didn't make any strong efforts to decide between the two competing claims, and didn't seem to examine the alternative trains. He just parked and went effectively afk other than an occasional 'this needs rope' style comment.
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Since I have time for ISO diving, I thought I'd dredge up these gems.
VOTE: LUV
Now, since we have plenty of time before EOD, I'd "luv" it if you could explain how/why you so drastically flipped script with your intent and hammer. From here, it looks like you magically went from suspecting Shadow (while agreeing that there couldn't be two ascetics) to deciding "yolo! I'm going to hammer the other guy". As far as I can tell, all that happened in between was your trip down the rabbit hole with Gamma.-
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I noticed that with him in general yesterday. I've certainly never lifted him out of my scum pool. What do you think are the chances that he and LUV might be on the same team?In post 1616, Zoronos wrote:Looking at the lynch yesterday, he provided no arguments for why Eager specifically was scum in the pair, didn't make any strong efforts to decide between the two competing claims, and didn't seem to examine the alternative trains. He just parked and went effectively afk other than an occasional 'this needs rope' style comment.
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What do you think about it? Agree / Disagree? Why am I wrong / why am I right?In post 1617, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hm. Zoronos presents an interesting case. Want to see PP's response as soon as possible.
(I assume PP's response is going to be that he's not the scum, so is probably not super interesting. Moreover, the way out of it isn't to talk to me about it, it's to demonstrate scum hunting / attempts to sort. So him addressing it directly isn't super worthwhile, nor is you asking him to.)-
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Well boring kinda did the same thing, though I feel she did more to explain it. I do agree it is odd PP decided to cut and run.
Actually that's pretty telling.
VOTE: PenguinPower
This is better than my LUV vote for now, but I am still down for an LUV lynch.<Embrace The Void>
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Ah. That's different.In post 1614, boring wrote:Both have been projecting their own thought processes onto others without considering that it's merely a matter of personality/personal preference. Shadow is doing it too, which is why I argued his vote on Gamma. I'm not saying it automatically makes them scum or town, seeing as it's some people's default mode for relating to others. It's just that it leads down NAI paths.
I find projection to be NAI or very slightly towny (though quite poor play, and don't tell anyone I said this or I'll have to deal with more of it because it's annoying as hell)
I was hoping to see that you had a case where they were upselling a NAI behavior on your part as a scummy behavior from a bad rationale.-
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I agree that Boring kinda did the same thing. That's why she was on the same list as Penguin that I posted earlier.In post 1622, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well boring kinda did the same thing, though I feel she did more to explain it. I do agree it is odd PP decided to cut and run.
Actually that's pretty telling.
VOTE: PenguinPower
This is better than my LUV vote for now, but I am still down for an LUV lynch.
But I figured it was time for some left turn to shake up the thread so here we are discussing something new.
So, do you have anything else to add or just "+1 Zoronos is the best great case" ?
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