Newbie 1770: Water Game Over

[mhsmith0]

WATER

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Welcome to Newbie 1770: Water!

Your moderator is mhsmith0.

Playerlist:

1. MooginSoosy
   
2. nydushermain (replaces Shader12)
   
3. Ville (replaces Pepchoninga replaces Weylsu)
   
4. Fykus
   
5. JackChaos
   
6. Formerfish (SE)
   
7. RadiantCowbells (replaces Toto) (SE)
   
8. -Grey- (replaces Secret Agent Jin) (SE)
   
9. TierShift (IC)

Spoiler: Living Players

1. Fykus,
   Vanilla Townie
   , survived and won
   
2. Formerfish (SE),
   Town One-Shot Bulletproof
   , survived and won
   
3. RadiantCowbells (replaces Toto) (SE),
   Vanilla Townie
   , survived and won
   
4. -Grey- (replaces Secret Agent Jin) (SE),
   Vanilla Townie
   , survived and won
   
5. TierShift (IC),
   Vanilla Townie
   , survived and won

Spoiler: Deceased Players

1. JackChaos,
   Vanilla Townie
   , lynched day one
   
2. Ville (replaces Pepchoninga replaces Weylsu),
   Mafia Goon
   , lynched day two
   
3. MooginSoosy,
   Town Jailkeeper
   , killed night two
   
4. nydushermain (replaces Shader12),
   Mafia Roleblocker
   , lynched day three

Spoiler: Replacement Queue

1. Srceenplay

Spoiler: Event History

1. Day one lynch: JackChaos
   
2. Night one results: no one dies
   
3. Day two lynch: TBD
   
4. Night two results: TBD

Spoiler: PT Links - to be released post-game

1. Mafia PT
   
2. Dead PT
   
3. IC Confessional
   
4. Mod PT

[mhsmith0]

General Site Rules:

• Follow all site rules. Play to your wincon but above all play to have fun. Do not ruin the game for others.
  
• If you have something that you need to communicate with me
  bold
  your text or I cannot guarantee I will see it.
  
• As the MOD I reserve the right to modkill or force-replace players as I see fit.
  
• If you feel I have erred send me a PM and let me know.
  
• That said, do not bring disagreements with me into the thread. That is what the PM is for. The same goes for disagreements with other players.
  
• Do not use invisible or in some way encrypted fonts or typing.

General game rules:

• I will use the colour
  #40a4df
  . This is my color and only my color. Don't use it.
  
• A lynch is reached when a majority of all players (half rounded down plus one) are voting for the same target.
  
• If a majority is not reached by the deadline, a No Lynch will occur.
  
• You may vote No Lynch in the same way that you vote for a lynch. Once a majority has voted for a no lynch the day immediately ends.
  
• Abuse of an infinite no-lynch/no-kill loop will not be tolerated. Do not even contemplate it.
  
• Votes must be written in
  bold
  as
  Vote: Player
  or use the VOTE: Player tag. Votes that are not tagged will not be counted.
  
• Votes in quotes, spoiler tags or otherwise hidden will also not be counted.
  
• Votes that misspell or have other minor errors will be counted as normal as long as I understand what you are getting at.
  
• Unvotes are helpful, but not necessary. Let me know if I make an error in vote counts and I will correct them.
  
• I will try and do vote counts often but if you want one just let me know. In general, I will be mainly available evenings (5 PM - 12 PM Pacific) and weekends, so you may not get a quick VC if it's in the middle of the day.
  
• As the MOD I will keep communication down to the absolute minimum possible (aside from vote counts and the like). I do not want to influence the game itself – that is for the players to do.
  
• Flips will have full role revealed (I will essentially post the PM you received on your flip with the obvious required reductions)

Game Flow:

• The Game will begin and the thread will be unlocked after 7 players confirm via PM, or 48 hours after role PMs are sent, whichever is faster.
  
• Please announce if you are going on V/LA. I prefer this announced in thread unless there is a specific reason not to.
  
• If you have not posted for 48 hours you will receive a prod. If you do not post within 24 hours of a prod you will be replaced.
  
• Three prods will result in being replaced.
  
• Day phases will last a maximum of 14 days.
  
• Each Night Phase will last 48 hours.
  
• You may communicate as normal during the twilight phase until I close the thread but votes/un-votes will not count.
  
• Extensions may be granted for replacements or extenuating circumstances.
  
• A missed Night Action will result in a No Action.
  
• The game will end when all threats to town have been eliminated or that is not possible.
  
• If you must replace out, PM me privately and stop posting in thread.

[mhsmith0]

important setup information

Newbie Setup

Matrix6 (as designed by Cogito Ergo Sum):

	A	B	C
1	Town Jailkeeper	Vanilla Townie	Mafia Goon
2	Mafia Roleblocker	Town Cop	Town Doctor
3	Town 1-shot Bulletproof	Mafia Goon	Town Tracker

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates either one row or one column. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

mafia goons

and

vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Roleblocker

actions will take precedence over

Jailkeeper

actions should that apply. The

1-shot Bulletproof

is a passive ability that cannot be

roleblocked

.

basic game and site functionality

1. Using the "code" tag will let you show something in code to demonstrate, see below
   
2. Voting is done by using the vote tags:

   Code: Select all

   [vote]mhsmith0[/vote]

   gets you VOTE: mhsmith0
   
3. Unvoting is done by using the unvote tags:

   Code: Select all

   [unvote]mhsmith0[/unvote]

   gets you UNVOTE: mhsmith0, or you can simply vote someone else
   
4. As a reminder, Discussion of Ongoing Mafia Games is Not Allowed. This includes discussion ongoing games here or this game elsewhere.
   
5. It is not an official rule, but as a courtesy, please do not use the spoiler tags, but instead the spoiler=tag. This is because phones cannot read spoiler tag.

   Code: Select all

   [spoiler=]blah blah blah[/spoiler]

   .
   Spoiler:

   blah blah blah
   can be read on any device.
   blah blah blah
   can only be read on a computer.
   
6. It is generally recommended to choose an avatar. This is a courtesy to fellow players, so that they can more easily differentiate you from other players when reading the thread. You can do this by going to User Control Panel, then Profile, then "Edit Avatar", and you can upload a picture or gif that will go along with your user name when you post.
   
7. If you have any questions about basic rules, or the newbie setup, feel free to ask them in thread or PM me directly.
   
8. Good Luck Everyone!

Sample Role PM's (click on the spoiler button to reveal)

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

1-shot Bulletproof Townie

Welcome!

You are a

1-shot Bulletproof Townie.

You will survive 1 kill attempt during the game. This does not include lynches.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player they targeted with their action, if any.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk during night phases only.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk during night phases only.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[mhsmith0]

Role PM's have been sent out.

It is now Pregame.

Good luck everyone!

[mhsmith0]

At least seven players have confirmed their role PM's.

It is now Day One.

Time to get busy lynching!

Good luck everyone!

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.01

MooginSoosy (1)

Toto ,

Fykus (1)

TierShift ,

Secret Agent Jin (2)

Formerfish , MooginSoosy ,

Not Voting (5)

Shader12 , Weylsu , Fykus , JackChaos , Secret Agent Jin ,

Day one deadline is Monday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

Mod note: Since I track votes in excel, I usually provide vote counts with links in them. It's a bit unusual compared to most mods, but I consider it a nice service for players. Sometimes I'll phone/ipad post a VC or the like and you won't get links, but usually you will.

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.02

MooginSoosy (1)

Toto ,

Secret Agent Jin (3)

Formerfish , MooginSoosy , TierShift L-2

,

TierShift (1)

Fykus ,

Not Voting (4)

Shader12 , Weylsu , JackChaos , Secret Agent Jin ,

Day one deadline is Monday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[mhsmith0]

Nydushermain replaces Shader12 effective immediately.

[mhsmith0]

Pepchoninga replaces Weylsu effective immediately.

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.03

Pepchoninga (1)

nydushermain ,

Fykus (2)

MooginSoosy , Toto ,

Secret Agent Jin (2)

TierShift , JackChaos ,

Not Voting (4)

Pepchoninga , Secret Agent Jin , Formerfish , Fykus ,

Day one deadline is Monday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.04

Pepchoninga (1)

nydushermain ,

Fykus (2)

MooginSoosy , Toto ,

Toto (1)

Fykus ,

Secret Agent Jin (2)

TierShift , JackChaos ,

Not Voting (3)

Pepchoninga , Secret Agent Jin , Formerfish ,

Day one deadline is Monday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.05

MooginSoosy (1)

TierShift ,

Pepchoninga (1)

nydushermain ,

Fykus (1)

MooginSoosy ,

Formerfish (1)

Toto ,

Toto (2)

Fykus , Formerfish ,

Secret Agent Jin (1)

JackChaos ,

Not Voting (2)

Pepchoninga , Secret Agent Jin ,

Day one deadline is Monday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.06

MooginSoosy (1)

TierShift ,

Pepchoninga (1)

nydushermain ,

Fykus (1)

MooginSoosy ,

Formerfish (1)

Toto ,

Toto (2)

Fykus , Formerfish ,

Secret Agent Jin (1)

JackChaos ,

Not Voting (2)

Pepchoninga , Secret Agent Jin ,

Day one deadline is Monday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[mhsmith0]

jackchaos has been prodded

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.07

Fykus (3)

MooginSoosy , Toto , TierShift L-2 ,

Toto (3)

Fykus , Formerfish , JackChaos L-2 ,

Not Voting (3)

Secret Agent Jin , Pepchoninga , nydushermain ,

Day one deadline is Monday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[/size]

[mhsmith0]

RadiantCowbells replaces Toto effective immediately.

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.08

MooginSoosy (1)

TierShift ,

Fykus (2)

MooginSoosy , RadiantCowbells ,

RadiantCowbells (3)

Fykus , Formerfish , JackChaos L-2 ,

Not Voting (3)

Secret Agent Jin , Pepchoninga , nydushermain ,

Day one deadline is Monday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[/size]

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.09

MooginSoosy (1)

TierShift ,

Fykus (1)

RadiantCowbells ,

JackChaos (1)

MooginSoosy ,

RadiantCowbells (3)

Fykus , Formerfish , JackChaos L-2 ,

TierShift (1)

nydushermain ,

Not Voting (2)

Secret Agent Jin , Pepchoninga ,

Day one deadline is Monday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[/size]

[mhsmith0]

Secret Agent Jin has been prodded.

[mhsmith0]

-Grey- replaces Secret Agent Jin effective immediately.

[mhsmith0]

Pepchoninga and Formerfish have been prodded.

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.10

MooginSoosy (2)

TierShift , RadiantCowbells ,

Fykus (1)

-Grey- ,

JackChaos (1)

MooginSoosy ,

RadiantCowbells (2)

Formerfish , JackChaos ,

TierShift (2)

nydushermain , Fykus ,

Not Voting (1)

Pepchoninga ,

Day one deadline is Monday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[/size]

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.11

MooginSoosy (1)

TierShift ,

JackChaos (3)

MooginSoosy , -Grey- , RadiantCowbells L-2 ,

RadiantCowbells (1)

Formerfish ,

-Grey- (1)

JackChaos ,

TierShift (2)

nydushermain , Fykus ,

Not Voting (1)

Pepchoninga ,

Day one deadline is Monday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[/size]

[/quote]

[mhsmith0]

TierShift has been prodded.

[mhsmith0]

.

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.12

MooginSoosy (1)

TierShift ,

nydushermain (1)

RadiantCowbells ,

Fykus (2)

Pepchoninga , -Grey- ,

JackChaos (1)

MooginSoosy ,

-Grey- (2)

JackChaos , Fykus ,

TierShift (2)

nydushermain , Formerfish ,

Day one deadline is

Monday

Wednesday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[mhsmith0]

JackChaos has been prodded.

[mhsmith0]

.

[mhsmith0]

.

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.13

Fykus (1)

Pepchoninga ,

JackChaos (4)

MooginSoosy , RadiantCowbells , TierShift , -Grey- L-1 ,

-Grey- (1)

JackChaos ,

TierShift (3)

nydushermain , Formerfish , Fykus L-2 ,

Day one deadline is Wednesday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[/size]

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.Final

Fykus (1)

Pepchoninga ,

JackChaos (5)

MooginSoosy , TierShift , RadiantCowbells , Formerfish , -Grey- LYNCH!

,

-Grey- (2)

JackChaos , Fykus ,

Not Voting (1)

nydushermain ,

Day one deadline is Wednesday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[/size]

[mhsmith0]

JackChaos was lynched. He was

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment

Night one deadline is Thursday January 26th, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-26 17:00:00). Please PM me your intended night actions.

[mhsmith0]

You awaken to discover that

no one

died at night.

Day two deadline is Thursday February 9th, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-02-09 17:00:00).

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

Good luck everyone!

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 2.01

Fykus (1)

-Grey- ,

-Grey- (1)

Fykus ,

Not Voting (6)

MooginSoosy , nydushermain , Pepchoninga , Formerfish , RadiantCowbells , TierShift ,

Day two deadline is Thursday February 9th, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-02-09 17:00:00)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[/size]

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 2.02

Pepchoninga (3)

TierShift , RadiantCowbells , nydushermain L-2

,

Fykus (1)

-Grey- ,

-Grey- (1)

Fykus ,

Not Voting (3)

MooginSoosy , Pepchoninga , Formerfish ,

Day two deadline is Thursday February 9th, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-02-09 17:00:00)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[/size]

[mhsmith0]

Pepchoninga has been prodded

[mhsmith0]

Pepchoninga has not responded to prod and will be replaced.

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 2.03

MooginSoosy (2)

-Grey- , RadiantCowbells ,

Pepchoninga (2)

TierShift , nydushermain ,

-Grey- (1)

Fykus ,

Not Voting (3)

MooginSoosy , Pepchoninga , Formerfish ,

Day two deadline is Thursday February 9th, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-02-09 17:00:00)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[mhsmith0]

Ville replaces Pepchoninga effective immediately.

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 2.Final

Ville (5)

TierShift , -Grey- , MooginSoosy , RadiantCowbells , Fykus LYNCH!

,

Not Voting (3)

Ville , Formerfish , nydushermain ,

Day two deadline is Thursday February 9th, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-02-09 17:00:00)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[/size]

[mhsmith0]

Ville was lynched. E was

Spoiler:

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk during night phases only.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Night two deadline is Wednesday February 1st, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-02-01 17:00:00). Please PM me your intended night actions.

[mhsmith0]

You awaken to discover that MooginSoosy died. She was

Spoiler:

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment

Day three deadline is Wednesday February 15th, 5 PM PST. (expired on 2017-02-15 18:00:00).

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Good luck everyone!

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 3.01

Fykus (2)

-Grey- , RadiantCowbells L-2 ,

-Grey- (2)

Fykus , Formerfish L-2 ,

Not Voting (2)

nydushermain , TierShift ,

Day three deadline is Wednesday February 15th, 5 PM PST. (expired on 2017-02-15 18:00:00).

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Good luck everyone!

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 3.02

-Grey- (2)

Fykus , RadiantCowbells L-2

,

TierShift (3)

-Grey- , nydushermain , Formerfish L-1 ,

Not Voting (1)

TierShift ,

Day three deadline is Wednesday February 15th, 5 PM PST. (expired on 2017-02-15 18:00:00).

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Good luck everyone!

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 3.03

nydushermain (2)

RadiantCowbells , -Grey- L-2 ,

RadiantCowbells (1)

nydushermain ,

-Grey- (1)

Fykus ,

TierShift (1)

Formerfish ,

Not Voting (1)

TierShift ,

Day three deadline is Wednesday February 15th, 5 PM PST. (expired on 2017-02-15 18:00:00).

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Good luck everyone!

[mhsmith0]

nydushermain has been prodded

[mhsmith0]

.

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 3.04

nydushermain (2)

RadiantCowbells , -Grey- L-2 ,

RadiantCowbells (1)

nydushermain ,

-Grey- (1)

Fykus ,

TierShift (1)

Formerfish ,

Not Voting (1)

TierShift ,

Day three deadline is Wednesday February 15th, 5 PM PST. (expired on 2017-02-15 18:00:00).

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Good luck everyone!

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 3.Final

nydushermain (4)

RadiantCowbells , -Grey- , Formerfish , Fykus LYNCH!

,

RadiantCowbells (1)

nydushermain ,

Not Voting (1)

TierShift ,

Day three deadline is Wednesday February 15th, 5 PM PST. (expired on 2017-02-15 18:00:00).

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Good luck everyone!

[mhsmith0]

nydushermain was lynched. He was

Spoiler:

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk during night phases only.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

A victory condition has been achieved! Congratulations to the

town!

Dead thread http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=69952

Other threads will unlock in 48 hours barring objections from players. Thanks for playing everyone!

[mhsmith0]

Night actions:

Night 1:

Moogin "protects" nydus
nydus roleblocks fish and shoots tier

result: no deaths

Night 2:

Moogin jails formerfish
nydus roleblocks and shoots moogin

result: moogin dies

[mhsmith0]

FWIW for the curious I'll requote for emphasis a point I made in dead thread about nydus:

But he wasn't "rolefishing" at the time because all he said was "fine you claimed PR" but he didn't delve deeper into it so if you claim to have had a townread on him then, you're just lying or just happened to have forgotten. So your claim that you tried to divert pressure away from toto and onto moogin just to nullify the argument between the two, when you were LITERALLY questioning toto's alignment at that time, unless your posts are posts you just put in there for the sake of having a good activity count, is absolute BS. Your play does not line up with what you claim to have been saying.

VOTE: Tiershift

This is literally just an anger vote. I know for like 99% sure that this won't get enough traction but this is driving me to vote on toto's slot. Funny enough, I think that moogin is still leaning scum, AND I think that her target, jack's catchup post was god awful and reeked of scum. I'll post my real vote on my phone at some time today but damn... Tier, your play is incredibly inconsistent if you're town.

This is literally fake as fuck. There is literally no anger in this "anger vote". My guess is no one notices this.

1) "Your play does not line up with what you claim to have been saying."
2) "Tier, your play is incredibly inconsistent if you're town."

It's difficult to imagine commentary surrounding a vote that is LESS angry than NYD's (the only hint of it is when he says that Tier's claim was "absolute BS"... and you can tell that's not anger either since he throws an "unless" modifier in there), while at the same time he pretends to emotions that he very very very very very very very clearly does not have. He's trying to straddle "scum reading" Tier and "being angry at" Tier, while not especially succeeding at either. 468 was a borderline scumclaim for a careful reader.

btw I'll just go ahead and quote form the best player I've ever played with on that subject (part of my standard super mega IC post):

On engagement, effort, emotion and tone

Spiff was doing stuff that you just don't see wolves actually do -- claiming a PR with still 24 hours remaining on d1 and openly antagonizing the people pushing him the hardest, rather than just slink away and wait for a shiny object to appear that drags the votes away from him

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Cron was working super hard at developing his reads and he had the proper emotional investment in what he was doing. I don't feel like pulling up his posts to cite specific examples, so let's just talk again about the Trundle thing. He soulreads a guy as a wolf based on one post and has four reasons for it, and he's super proud of himself and patting himself on the back for it. Wolves aren't trying that hard to develop quick reads and they tend to struggle to come up with that level of insight and they aren't good at getting the subtle emotions right. And his whole day was full of things like that. Cron has played several wolf games on this site and his posting was bland and forgettable each time.

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I don't have time to adequately respond to that post but one thing I can say quickly is that when I'm talking about emotions, I'm specifically excluding anger. It's the easiest emotion to fake and it's one that is often not alignment-indicative even when it is genuine, unless it can be traced to an origin in something distinctly villagery.

Emotions like pride, paranoia, surprise, suspicion, etc, are more difficult to fake. Wolves often fail to even identify spots in which emotion should be present in their posting, and their efforts at actually displaying more complex emotions are often quite clumsy, for example by stating their supposed feelings rather than displaying them.

Reading someone based on whether emotion is genuine and villagery) or not is, once you get into the habit, surprisingly effective (though admittedly there are many many many cases where it doesn't come up at all). But someone outright lying about emotion? Easy game.

[mhsmith0]

Haha emotions like pride difficult to fake

It's true! Especially for newer players. And someone lying about their emotions, in a situation where they're presenting it as game-relevant information, is pretty decently likely to be scum. As opposed to a case where someone lying about process out of being ashamed of looking bad, which depending on overall context could reasonably be town or scum.

[mhsmith0]

Gg guys. I seriously thought that grey had to be scum. Failing that i would have went for rc. Just goes to show that ive got a shitload to learn about the game.

Any tips for me going forward?

Probably look at why you were reading everyone the way you were, and figure out what was actually correct and what was non-indicative. Also it may be useful to look at the RC-Grey fight, since that turned out to be a pretty good example of a town-town fight. It can be hard to distinguish those from town-scum fights, but it's important to look at "well these two people are fighting" as something that is, by itself, non-indicative. Someone could legitimately think someone else is scum, that doesn't automatically mean they're right (or, for that matter, that they're wrong).

Probably also look a bit about where the scum team in this game went wrong. nydus opened the game with basically a for show vote on his buddy, for instance. Not all scum do that, but it's something you can potentially keep an eye out when it comes to associatives as people start to flip.

[mhsmith0]

And yeah on the more complex side Nydus's interactions with Pepcho were really bad but that's not something that you should be working on immediately.

Oh sure, that was more a "when you rand scum don't do this" kind of thing.

[mhsmith0]

I guess they just seemed really neutral to me

that's at least something of a scum tell, fwiw. tonally neutral and/or just not standing out at all are things that scum do sometimes.

[mhsmith0]

oh whoops
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=69951

mod forgets things sometimes