Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

[QuantumRadius]

<<< QuantumRadius replaces FourTrouble. >>>

heyo
imma go catch up on the thread later. anything that I should know before I start?

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I know you don't. Quantum probably does.

pocketing denied lol

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My first act as a conftown innocent child (see post #94 if you have doubts about my alignment) is to form a townblock
anyone who wishes to join should fill out the application below and post it in this thread or the dark PT

Spoiler: Application

1. Are you town?

this isn't the scumblock application

2. Do you have any experience being in townblocks?

I'm working on it

3. What skills do you have that will help the townblock?

i can meta. except this is my second game on this site so I have no meta.

4. Do you think I'm town?

what if this is some cheap towncred grabbing gambit... naaaaah

5. What's your favorite color?

#

ff7700

6. Are you on the light side or dark side?

light

7. Which is better: light or dark?

the twilight zone

8. Who's your favorite Star Wars character?

han shot first

9. What's your favorite song?

guitar track-kayliox remix

10. On a scale of 0 to 10, how much do you want to be in the townblock?

37

did I make the cut?

[QuantumRadius]

Guys we have a problem

... and it is...?

[QuantumRadius]

The problem is Quantum won't let me buddy him to LyLo

i will let you sheep me
not the other way around

[QuantumRadius]

on page ten, and i'm already screwed over from having no meta and no chronological order
so far, just a few comments
titus is a slight townread based on meta from the only other game i've played on the site, so I don't feel completely accurate but what can you do
bulba pinged me pregame but got better
vedith bothers me but might just be them being weird
the speed of the aronis wagon puts them at slight town

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I'm sorry, I'm slow to catch up rn
lotsa shit I found between 11-15

Spoiler:

y?

You're sheeping me. Never thought I'd see that.

You voted before me, but I didn't sheep you. My reasons are far darker.

ping. idk if that was a dark chat reference but that response was odd

@Eddie, why shouldn't we lynch you for saying the word traitor?

what a reaction.

This is a weird concern, but it concerns me that you're not pressing me at all, there are so many questions or sorting that can be done that's just tossed aside.

you're asking to be read
that self-consciousness pings me scummy

So naked voting with no reasoning to put someone at L-3 and never giving a reason or a read on Aronis, to you, is not scummy at all?

you said exactly why to scumread you
I'm not sure which way ai that is, idk if scum would try and get themselves scumread but on the other hand, the action referred to was scummy

titus v. ginngie looks tvt but I'm not really townreading either of them...

Well now I feel better about my vote.

Posting to express that I am in support of Dram's vote although I think that my current one is better.

Why? Why don't you mention the name of the guy he's voting for?

potential distancing here

[QuantumRadius]

That moment when two people are scum but it's a TvT :^)

i statistically have the worst reads on the TOS playerbase
don't expect much there
I'm really just confused by the interaction

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16-20
what is even happening

Spoiler:

Math

what are

your reads

Aronis town
Titus town that will tunnel me for all eternity
You scum
nancy scum
Bulbazak town

I'm Aronis and I approve this message.

holy shit math, that was the easiest pocket ever

So moving on then.

Aronis talk with me about Vedith and 79CE please. I am having a hard time getting a read on Vedith.

Vedith is:
A. Really Bad at Mafia
B. Scum
haven't figured out which yet.

And then I don't have great vibes about 79 CE? I'm not super convinced they're scum yet, but I'd probably feel more comfortable lynching them over Vedith atm

That s a terrible post and dodges the question with a passive read to you know, be able to sit on the fence.

i agree here. that post was unnecessary shade

srry i find it kinda hard to get reads on some people this soon into the game especially when i'm not taking things srsly at all

can we be friends

lmao we have 7 votes now this is hilarious

and you're not concerned

Rauth would have only seen one pro-Aronis wagon voice in the PT.

This is why scum bus.

You've used a lot of words.

I also will vote whichever of my scumreads has the most votes to test my theory of what I think the answer is. If I am wrong, I reasses and find a new one that explains the behavior.

Is there some reason you seem to be scared of my vote on Aronis?

that's a lot of shade there titus

79 CE is at L-2!

HOLY SHIT WHY

oh no, somebody's knocking on my door and it's like 2am atm. I think they've come for me guys, the mafia are gonna shoot me. Just do me a favor and when I'm gone lynch 79 CE for me guys cause I genuinely 110% believe my time has come to an end guys. they're like smashing the door in right now. i think I'm doomed

oh nvm that was just the cat wanting in. srry false alarm

is this some kind of complicated metaphor I'm not getting

From here on out I'm going to vote with Titus regardless where she votes
So Titus, you are effectively a double voter now.

VOTE: Aronis

ring-a-ding-ding, that's a heavy ping
I really don't understand why you would ever say that

[QuantumRadius]

Dear QuantumRadius,

Your posts add nothing to the game if you're town you should add something new to the game

With Love,
Alisae <3

what do you want from me
im half caught up
anything that I post during catch-up is more for my own reference when building a position than anything else
I'm ensuring the quality of whatever I decide to do next

[QuantumRadius]

will do

[QuantumRadius]

i'm so confused rn between alisae, aronis and aelita lol

[QuantumRadius]

21-25 i got approximately nothing Ai from these pages

Your bluffing on this dayvig shot. Seen this gambit a few times on this site.

is it site meta to take memes like the dayvig shot that seriously?
on my site that's immediately laughed at and left as nai memery

Keep on reading and you'll find out...

this bad clickbait

I don't think it's smart to feed the beast that is my untamed ego

hello understood _{lol home site meta jokes}

[QuantumRadius]

26-30

Spoiler:

I was lying. But nice one on scum claiming putting someone to L1 when I said I would Lol hammer them, EddieFenix.

Okay, this is an awful post and you should be ashamed. You're going after somebody else for putting someone at L-1 because you were threatening to Lol hammer? That's backwards, the problem here is you planning to Lol hammer, not someone else voting to put them at L-1

i honestly can't believe either of those happened
like wtf were you guys thinking?

This is so stupid...
On the bright side, this means that Rauth is likely town.

this is a good post

... no it's not...

Hey! I have a genuine opinion nancy is scum!

I just can't comment on why

...? ooooookay what

Titus I don't like people who go through the motions when scumhunting and you're feeling that way this game. Your scumhunting feels extremely faked rn, like you're just throwing stuff out and in whenever it's opportune or your current idea won't work. I want to know why since I don't remember you playing like this ever, as either alignment.

this was something I was beginning to pick up as I went, but this post sums it up better than I can
Titus just doesn't sit natural to me at all so far

[QuantumRadius]

31-35

Spoiler:

Because you ignore Titus's point.
This is what happened (as clear as can be)

Rauth makes a vote while not posting in dark or game
Titus reads that as scum and votes
Aronis shows scum tells / case on Aronis makes sense
Titus has scum read on Aronis and votes

By default Aronis and Rauth are both scum.

Logical reason for Rauth voting Aronis - bussing.

Vedith you make sense. I like you.

?!? okay, good post? sure. making sense? not vedith, not to me at least

Titus votes Rauth and says Rauth is bussing Aronis, but doesn't have a read on Aronis.

How is that not clearly contradictory.

How is contradictory scummy?

your butt just got saved by a winky face

Are you doing VCA

without a flip

aaaaaand associations can't be found by this... why?

{Math, Titus, Vedith, Gamma}
{Rauth, Bran, TB, Snowman, texcat}
{Aelita, FourTrouble, Aronis, dramonic}
{BTD, Bulba, Eddie}
{Gin}

that's really top heavy

I am scumreading 6 people in a four player game and no way in hell all of them are scum.

no duuuuuh

WHAT IF WE BUILD A SNARKY WAGON

do you wanna build a wagon
it doesn't have to be a wagon

Embrace it

P-edit: learn to trust what you can't see :3

Yeah I don't do the blind faith thing.

can we be friends

guys, we have a problem
I'm sr'ing pretty much all of the players in this game and idk why

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Guys 79 CE is town what the fuck are you all doing.

unfortunately for the wagon, I'd have to agree with this. i just don't think that wagon's foundation is study enough to lynch on safely

@aronis lol that's hilarious

Dear QuantumRadius,

Your posts add nothing to the game if you're town you should add something new to the game

With Love,
Alisae <3

What do you mean? She's taking stances.

oh, this isn't taking stances. you'll know when I have a stance.

[QuantumRadius]

nothing to comment on for the rest.
i am officially caught up.

reviewing my notes and from just reading, i ended up with a really spicy top scumead.
VOTE: titus
i'll explain when it's not 1 am and build an actual case, but i'm leaving it there for now

[QuantumRadius]

hey guys, is there a bbcode guide anywhere / a shortcut to using the entire URL to link to a post? i've seen the post tab but idk how to get it to work

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awesome. thanks! titus case will be up shortly.

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I literally just had a really good pbpa and phpbb deleted it aaaaaargh

[QuantumRadius]

I literally just had a really good pbpa and phpbb deleted it aaaaaargh

Sign from God.

lol no

What is pbpa?

post by post analysis
basically I go down titus's ISO, pick out some posts I scumread, and use it to build a wall

[QuantumRadius]

honestly I'm just mad because I did that whole thing on mobile
I'm not attempting that again until I get to a computer, but it will happen

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I'll make it simple

please don't make me do a mountain of data to prove this but it's bloody there.

TB doesn't post as scums

TB posts as town

TB posts elsewhere

TB not here

:3

if that was a legitimate case, I have the potential to push Titus all the way up the gallows with next to no effort... slightly concerning

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You're gonna make me put in work aren't you...

yep. get going
if you're gonna push, go all in so I can see your true colors.

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You're gonna make me put in work aren't you...

yep. get going
if you're gonna push, go all in so I can see your true colors.

Ummm... if you dont have me as town by now then uhh....okay

it's not that I don't, I just have trust issues

Qr my activity is not ai. I engage if time. Bay area emergency. Haven't started game Alisae recommended

none of what I am going to push was even related to your activity; I see no issues with that

[QuantumRadius]

@ginngie so you're convinced you can change my mind while I'm in deathtunnel mode on Titus
Ok, do your worst. i want to see this

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petty?
holy shit i really want to get to a computer and drop fire
i had loads of evidence before the shredder of dreams that is the internet took all of it

and you might not understand my tenacity fully
if i know what i'm doing i can get things done my way
and I 100% know what I'm doing

[QuantumRadius]

LMAO
i might be new to this site but I'm not at all new to forum mafia
i got this

[QuantumRadius]

Deathtunnel, without reasons, fml.

you sure? i seem to have had a whole PbPA of reasons before

petty?
holy shit i really want to get to a computer and drop fire
i had loads of evidence before the shredder of dreams that is the internet took all of it

and you might not understand my tenacity fully
if i know what i'm doing i can get things done my way
and I 100% know what I'm doing

This is gonna sound harsh, but do it again if you're so sure. Of course, it's probably pointless because you're probably wrong and it's probable nobody is going to listen to you. Personally, I don't get a scum impression from Titus. I've only played with her as scum once and she replaced out pretty early on, but my experience suggests that she's more docile as scum, as well as appearing both less certain and less aggressive. At least, that's my take on her. As I've established though, my reads are fucking trash. Still, I'll stand by my gut on her until I see compelling reason not to.

-Kelvin

i want to do it again but i play almost exclusively on mobile, if and when i can get to a computer formatting such a long post will be less of a tedious pain and will be less likely to get lost
i'm feeling really cocky, so maybe nobody will listen to me, but idrc, just something to get me out there. i'm really confident that i got a scum tho
i'm not easily discouraged

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pageget

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pageget

It's 'Pagetop' not 'pageget'. like if you're gonna steal them plz do it right

oops yeah another fun encounter with site meta differences lol

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@fkb unfortunately that's a no. i'm not gonna get everything out in a short post, the original case was extremely complex. i really want to do anything along those lines but it's not going to be nearly as good.

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define extremely complex

about a half hour in I lost all my progress

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oh it was waaaaaaaay worse than that

[QuantumRadius]

oh it was waaaaaaaay worse than that

I am holding you up to this standard as that was a 6 hour post.

you used a crap ton of bbcode to prettify your thing to make it function
i had a huge, thought out wall of text to push a lynch on, I don't give a shit about formatting it except for post links

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Oh you did mean this game. In that case I will just stop talking about this topic.

Thank you.

Gotta go.

This was your Math PSA announcement please continue your regularly scheduled Mafia games with all leg coverings deployed and locked safely.

i like you already lol

woah there fkb
i shall not disappoint

[QuantumRadius]

Oh my god I'm a fucking idiot
I can use my tablet so I don't have to switch tabs on my phone and mess stuff up
Brb let's do this

[QuantumRadius]

ok, who's ready for this

Spoiler: the case against titus

titus begins pregame and memephase, but tires quickly, even becoming agitated
after placing his rvs on rauthedir in 151, she immediately tires of rvs and bails in 162
that move is somewhat confusing, and i dislike their cover up in 169 (it's rvs, all rvs wagons are devoid of reason that early, that should not make you bail from rvs)

started hunting scum as early as 109
immediately latches onto rauthedir, who seems inactive (182, 214)
i'm confused as to why the interest in a semi-active slot, especially moving forward with her other scumreads

262
this post is just awful. there is no reason for town to object that highly to mention of a traitor, especially with a setup where traitor wouldn't fit well. also, the latch onto the single word seems opportunistic

rauthedir push intensifies in 279
oddly seems to think there's a major difference between what fkb and ginngie were doing, and what rauth was doing
the only real counterpoint she has is rauth's inactivity, which is nai unless there's meta i'm unaware of

285 begins interaction with ginngie
she immediately wants out, pushing away at every available opportunity
i don't feel like this can be svs, assuming mafia has daychat (which is nearly confirmable since the mafia have the factional switching action) i really don't think that would have resolved like it did
interestingly, she thinks that ginngie is in the way, but does not scumread her for obstructing her reads (292)
she states that "you should already know i'm town" in 294, which is just not true

begins negative interactions with math in 300 via shadecast. this develops later

302 is her scumteam.
imo the aronis wagon was too fast to be scum, i don't think that's a logical sr
math doesn't seem that scummy to me, but i am lacking meta there, and meta is the main case against him
rauth is inactive, not a good reason to scumread someone

the end of 322 is almost laughably bad.
"i'm scumreading you for getting off a wagon. for that, i'll vote the person you want to unwagon, instead of you"
there is no visible reasoning there

326... what even is this
it's like a hybrid between shadecasting, discrediting and distancing

327 is a good post.

330 is a repeat of the first readset, with the addition of fkb.
all of my commentary for the other three still stands
i'm not really sure what the reasoning on the fkb sr is, might be 326

the reaction in 345 is bad. it's really desperate finger pointing

wise words in 350

353 contains a formal declaration of a mathblade scumread, but somehow takes that and transitions it to town!bulbazak
374 isn't much better, now you sr math for a read interruption... while you were being interrupted by ginngie... idk something isn't in sync there
i need some math meta apparently

458 yes and no, they would probably first look for what a teammate was trying to do

465 is heavy shade on bulbazak. tvs

468 false, you're not lining up at all. your explanations only made that worse

473 what is that
why is that a thing

489, obviously dissatisfied with the pace of the aronis wagon, resorts to casting more shade on aronis

564 woah there. flips back to rauth wagon
idk what you have that vote there for if you're not working with anyone to get it lynched

668 repeats the exact same scumteam. also shows unwillingness to vote anyone else
my guess is that she's got 1 buddy in here

857 voices interest in a quick flip
i'm not sure if that's actually kosher on this site because days are so long, but with the inactives she mentioned in 854, ending the day before potential prods or replacements would not have been wise

my main question after this is why she's choosing to shadecast mathblade over pushing him. she has evidence on that wagon, apparently solid meta
why is she not doing anything about it, over the sporadically active rauthedir?
also, why the closed scumteam?

[QuantumRadius]

tl;dr

tl;dr i have a shit ton of evidence that Titus is scum

[QuantumRadius]

Rauthdir is trying to shut down communication. Sometimes roles should crumb d1. Weak roles, bodyguards are two that come to mind.

I'll just wait here for people to catch up and respond to anything people care about in QR's case on me.

P.S. I do hate RVS. Pretty well documented QR. Day 1 is a crap shoot. Find theory. Test theory.

rauth is on the dark side, he doesn't have a role yet, how tf are you supposed to soft it

i guess I will ask you directly
you appear to have tangible evidence with the mathblade read
why not pursue him over rauth when math is actually active and is visible to make those mistakes? it feels faked, like you're chasing a ml over bussing a scumbuddy

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hey math, hook me up with some pants regarding the titus read plz

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@Bulbazak, I did try to convince people and defend my theory. The game died while I was doing so.

@QR, I said Rauth was trying to shut down all softing, which is overly broad.

the way i see it, softing is actually beneficial, if you know your role and get sent to the dark by the mafia, then get killed there and have only your alignment flip, we have things to go by
idk that's kind of vague and situational, but it works in my head
i agree that not softing

anything

is a bit of a stretch, but that, and rauth's relative inactivity, seem to be the only reasons for your deathtunnel

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@Bulbazak, I did try to convince people and defend my theory. The game died while I was doing so.

@QR, I said Rauth was trying to shut down all softing, which is overly broad.

the way i see it, softing is actually beneficial, if you know your role and get sent to the dark by the mafia, then get killed there and have only your alignment flip, we have things to go by
idk that's kind of vague and situational, but it works in my head
i agree that not softing

anything

is a bit of a stretch, but that, and rauth's relative inactivity, seem to be the only reasons for your deathtunnel

And that's just not true. Rauth hasn't tried to sort anyone. The only thing he's tried to push is a fabricated "scum slip" argument. He had an opportunistic vote in the beginning. He's hid in the background again. The read won't change unless he does something to change it. I'm merely giving the space to do so.

i like how you indirectly answering the questions I'm asking is actually telling me more about you
as far as the rauth push goes, you're mainly concerned that he's not scumhunting?
his vote to me just looks like rvs, I'm not too concerned
the lurking I can't really argue with, but the content he's providing when he's here is alright, so I'm not sure what to think. honestly I'm not sure that he's keeping up well, which screams inactive townie at me

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Guys plz I would bet my entire great reputation on this site that think big is scum

the problem I have with this push is that it has no substance. where I was able to write a decent wall on Titus being actually scummy, the thinkbig push, as you have explained, is entire based on something that's not there. I personally don't find think very scummy, sans meta of course, but I don't think your supposed missing aspects are necessarily a tell.

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Guys plz I would bet my entire great reputation on this site that think big is scum

the problem I have with this push is that it has no substance. where I was able to write a decent wall on Titus being actually scummy, the thinkbig push, as you have explained, is entire based on something that's not there. I personally don't find think very scummy, sans meta of course, but I don't think your supposed missing aspects are necessarily a tell.

How do you not get something so simple?

wut, did I miss something

[QuantumRadius]

yeah I'm not comfortable lynching an inactive, replacing slot rn. that's not happening.

[QuantumRadius]

heck I'm still not sure if anyone even read MY post lol
hey fkb hydra, was it good enough for an unvote?

[QuantumRadius]

ok idk... ginngie v. bulba is giving me TvS vibes... idrk who's who

[QuantumRadius]

Just waking up looks like the game exploded. Catching up now. Anything I should be aware of?

yeah, we all decided to massclaim while you were gone. what's your role?

[QuantumRadius]

oh god there's so much faulty logic on both sides of this though

[QuantumRadius]

aaaaaaaargh but i don't knooooooow
honestly i was scumreading both of you during my catchup
but i kinda figure this might be your natural playstyle, so i'm the tiniest bit on your side

[QuantumRadius]

and why is that

why is what? you just seem like you pick fights easily and naturally.

<= i need some meta help on this

[QuantumRadius]

i understand not a word of that
English plz kthanks

[QuantumRadius]

Or you and Texcat don't know and I will just layback and wait. It is okay. I have no plans to leak anything. If you're Town sorry but I am not helping what is obviously a rolefish from Texcat. I will be at dnd most of the night.

Lynch Texcat.

Asking Aelita if she posted in the wrong thread because she made a nonsense post is obvious rolefishing? That's fucking garbage.

-Kelvin

... aren't you talking about two different people here? or am i completely blanking out

[QuantumRadius]

Ok yeah I derped when reading that

kinda surprised nobody has even commented on my read. idk if anyone even read it, there's just no feedback on it from anyone. if you did read it, tell me what you think. The lack of response to that is pinging me on some of the actives, but it might just be that it's really long and complex

[QuantumRadius]

the second attempt was all i wanted to hit in the first one, but more of it and better
plus your hydra is voting texcat so

[QuantumRadius]

the second attempt was all i wanted to hit in the first one, but more of it and better
plus your hydra is voting texcat so

Nope. Our vote is definitely on you. Good to hear you won't have any excuses though.

-Kelvin

oh nvm the VC is out of date

[QuantumRadius]

aronis can you read my titus case?

can anyone else acknowledge that they intend to read it besides Kelvin?

[QuantumRadius]

oh god
here come the trust issues

okay I like that you mostly agree with me
but some of those responses are making me a bit nervous. it looks like you're sheeping it to the point of whiteknighting me, and I really want to stay out of the pocket

regardless, glad I persuaded you.

[QuantumRadius]

also, I need to throw this out there

just because I'm new does not mean you should buddy me.

i get really anxious if I believe I'm pocketed, it makes me doubt my position
i'm not trying to distance from anyone if I reject your pocket, I'm trying to keep my independence from scum because I don't know who they are yet and I don't want them influencing my decisions more than they have to

that goes for everyone, not just aronis. they were just the latest offender, it's been happening repeatedly in the thread and the light pt. plz don't. thx

[QuantumRadius]

ok fine we can

vote: aronis

what are you doing
bad naked voter, bad

[QuantumRadius]

ok fine we can

vote: aronis

what are you doing
bad naked voter, bad

voting scum.
Its something you might wanna get into.

i direct you to 1195 and request that you read for comprehension

[QuantumRadius]

also, I need to throw this out there

just because I'm new does not mean you should buddy me.

i get really anxious if I believe I'm pocketed, it makes me doubt my position
i'm not trying to distance from anyone if I reject your pocket, I'm trying to keep my independence from scum because I don't know who they are yet and I don't want them influencing my decisions more than they have to

that goes for everyone, not just aronis. they were just the latest offender, it's been happening repeatedly in the thread and the light pt. plz don't. thx

lemme throw this out there:

just because I'm buddying you doesn't mean you should worry or care or anything i just do it to everyone always no matter what. I even do it 9 days a week. yknow I went to one of those 99c stores the other day while I'm here in cali and they're open nine days a week which like makes no sense but w/e. If I go back I think I'll ask an employee to name all the days a week they're open to see what they say

half of me likes you
half of me is scared of you

[QuantumRadius]

what is your energy source
is it legal
and where do I get it

[QuantumRadius]

Spoiler:

[QuantumRadius]

You made a case on titus.
Go you.

i think you missed the "comprehension" part

[QuantumRadius]

I don't want you to convince me that you're town.
I want you to do things.

And I want a pony.

I'll vote in scum, at this point people should be trying to buy my vote with them by selling a good reason to vote.

1195

[QuantumRadius]

ok, who's ready for this

Spoiler: the case against titus

titus begins pregame and memephase, but tires quickly, even becoming agitated
after placing his rvs on rauthedir in 151, she immediately tires of rvs and bails in 162
that move is somewhat confusing, and i dislike their cover up in 169 (it's rvs, all rvs wagons are devoid of reason that early, that should not make you bail from rvs)

started hunting scum as early as 109
immediately latches onto rauthedir, who seems inactive (182, 214)
i'm confused as to why the interest in a semi-active slot, especially moving forward with her other scumreads

262
this post is just awful. there is no reason for town to object that highly to mention of a traitor, especially with a setup where traitor wouldn't fit well. also, the latch onto the single word seems opportunistic

rauthedir push intensifies in 279
oddly seems to think there's a major difference between what fkb and ginngie were doing, and what rauth was doing
the only real counterpoint she has is rauth's inactivity, which is nai unless there's meta i'm unaware of

285 begins interaction with ginngie
she immediately wants out, pushing away at every available opportunity
i don't feel like this can be svs, assuming mafia has daychat (which is nearly confirmable since the mafia have the factional switching action) i really don't think that would have resolved like it did
interestingly, she thinks that ginngie is in the way, but does not scumread her for obstructing her reads (292)
she states that "you should already know i'm town" in 294, which is just not true

begins negative interactions with math in 300 via shadecast. this develops later

302 is her scumteam.
imo the aronis wagon was too fast to be scum, i don't think that's a logical sr
math doesn't seem that scummy to me, but i am lacking meta there, and meta is the main case against him
rauth is inactive, not a good reason to scumread someone

the end of 322 is almost laughably bad.
"i'm scumreading you for getting off a wagon. for that, i'll vote the person you want to unwagon, instead of you"
there is no visible reasoning there

326... what even is this
it's like a hybrid between shadecasting, discrediting and distancing

327 is a good post.

330 is a repeat of the first readset, with the addition of fkb.
all of my commentary for the other three still stands
i'm not really sure what the reasoning on the fkb sr is, might be 326

the reaction in 345 is bad. it's really desperate finger pointing

wise words in 350

353 contains a formal declaration of a mathblade scumread, but somehow takes that and transitions it to town!bulbazak
374 isn't much better, now you sr math for a read interruption... while you were being interrupted by ginngie... idk something isn't in sync there
i need some math meta apparently

458 yes and no, they would probably first look for what a teammate was trying to do

465 is heavy shade on bulbazak. tvs

468 false, you're not lining up at all. your explanations only made that worse

473 what is that
why is that a thing

489, obviously dissatisfied with the pace of the aronis wagon, resorts to casting more shade on aronis

564 woah there. flips back to rauth wagon
idk what you have that vote there for if you're not working with anyone to get it lynched

668 repeats the exact same scumteam. also shows unwillingness to vote anyone else
my guess is that she's got 1 buddy in here

857 voices interest in a quick flip
i'm not sure if that's actually kosher on this site because days are so long, but with the inactives she mentioned in 854, ending the day before potential prods or replacements would not have been wise

my main question after this is why she's choosing to shadecast mathblade over pushing him. she has evidence on that wagon, apparently solid meta
why is she not doing anything about it, over the sporadically active rauthedir?
also, why the closed scumteam?

someone asked for a summary so here it is
titus has bad reactions, is pushing scumreads for the wrong reasons, is inconsistent with pushing people, has bad interactions, bad vote reasoning, shadecasting, flip-flopping, pushing for a quick lynch

this is nowhere near as good a post but it's something for all y'all who can't read

[QuantumRadius]

Titus wagon is a bad wagon. People move on. Texcat is much better.

did you / can you read the case plz

[QuantumRadius]

I did and I came to the conclusion she is Town from it.

... how?

[QuantumRadius]

tbh math that makes me feel like you didn't read it

[QuantumRadius]

i had no meta when i was creating that list, so i'm not sure how titus usually plays
however, that's probably the main strength to my argument.
titus is doing things that are

objectively

scummy.
i'm kind of confused how you can be convinced otherwise by my case.

[QuantumRadius]

Titus is doing things that are objectively scummy.

I'm not sure how you are defining "objectively" or "scummy," but I'm thinking you are using the former incorrectly, and possibly the latter too.

-Kelvin

yeah I think the word I was looking for was "fundamentally"
but I definitely meant the scummy part

[QuantumRadius]

Titus is doing things that are objectively scummy.

I'm not sure how you are defining "objectively" or "scummy," but I'm thinking you are using the former incorrectly, and possibly the latter too.

-Kelvin

yeah I think the word I was looking for was "fundamentally"
but I definitely meant the scummy part

Please tell me what "scummy" means to you.

suspiciously nontown or anti-town.

[QuantumRadius]

Titus is doing things that are objectively scummy.

I'm not sure how you are defining "objectively" or "scummy," but I'm thinking you are using the former incorrectly, and possibly the latter too.

-Kelvin

yeah I think the word I was looking for was "fundamentally"
but I definitely meant the scummy part

Please tell me what "scummy" means to you.

suspiciously nontown or anti-town.

Which means what? Not spamming the thread while waiting on people to catch up that Aronis and Rauth are scum. Ok.

the aronis went up quickly, and it's unlikely scum would bus that hard that early; i highly doubt they're scum. and rauth is v/la and is unavailable to defend.
i am not comfortable with either of those lynches as of now. you, on the other hand, are pushing them as ml bait continuously. it looks like you have an agenda for yourself with the closed scumteam, and you really have no excuses for the rest of my wall. i want to see responses on my commentary from you; something isn't in sync here.

[QuantumRadius]

Titus is doing things that are objectively scummy.

I'm not sure how you are defining "objectively" or "scummy," but I'm thinking you are using the former incorrectly, and possibly the latter too.

-Kelvin

yeah I think the word I was looking for was "fundamentally"
but I definitely meant the scummy part

Please tell me what "scummy" means to you.

suspiciously nontown or anti-town.

What separates suspiciously non-town from regular non-town? Likewise, what separates suspiciously anti-town from regular anti-town?

-Kelvin

consistency.
i know from experience that as town, you might sometimes say things in passing that are scummy in isolation.

however, when I can consistently trace that scummy nature, eg having enough material to pvpa wall you, that piques suspicion from me.

[QuantumRadius]

Titus is doing things that are objectively scummy.

I'm not sure how you are defining "objectively" or "scummy," but I'm thinking you are using the former incorrectly, and possibly the latter too.

-Kelvin

yeah I think the word I was looking for was "fundamentally"
but I definitely meant the scummy part

Please tell me what "scummy" means to you.

suspiciously nontown or anti-town.

What separates suspiciously non-town from regular non-town? Likewise, what separates suspiciously anti-town from regular anti-town?

-Kelvin

consistency.
i know from experience that as town, you might sometimes say things in passing that are scummy in isolation.

however, when I can consistently trace that scummy nature, eg having enough material to pvpa wall you, that piques suspicion from me.

So basically someone who can spam nonsense about it.

Is that what this site has become, spam nonsense?

i literally do not understand what you are saying to me

[QuantumRadius]

holy shit kelvin
you disagreed with literally the whole post

i should go through and review that but I really don't feel like it
any questions you need me to respond to?

[QuantumRadius]

@kelvin yeah I'll do that sometime soon, but I just got done with work, and I really don't feel like it yet
might change my mind after dinner

for the moment I'm gonna leave my vote, mostly cuz I'm stubborn lul
i'll read through some texcat stuff later as well, might change my mind

[QuantumRadius]

nah, the light side at least gets to do shit

[QuantumRadius]

then can you drag me and bulba to the light side cause the current ppl over here are awful

are you insinuating that I can switch people

and also I said that they

get

to do shit
that's not indicative that they

are

doing shit
no offense guys but rn the light pt is fluffy

[QuantumRadius]

ok idk... ginngie v. bulba is giving me TvS vibes... idrk who's who

Can you help me understand non-directional TvS? I mean, how does something read like that, yet it's not clear which is which? Not a trick question.

-Kelvin

an excellent question.
forgive my self-meta and my terrible explanation for it

in fm I have skills that are, as I would describe, more abstract than factually and logically based.
one of my better skills is reading two-player interactions based on intensity, in cooperation with my individual scumreads
the most intense arguments are usually TvT, because both players know they are on the town side and think that the other could be scum, or someone is annoyed by someone else
TvS usually is slightly less intense/more civil. with the scum player attempting to cooperate with the townie and earn their trust, or to bail from the pressure, it feels like something is being either held back or forced.
SvS are usually quick, not-really-conflict-y interactions. cooperating on a fabricated agenda to support something, or distance from a teammate. usually any real dissonance in the scumteam would be resolved in the maf chat, not in the thread. I almost never read this unless I see obvious ties, or one of them is confmaf

nondirectional tvs is what I read when both players are engaging each other, but I have none of that logic/fact/meta to scumread either in particular, and yet I feel that one of them is artificially engaged, and idk who. something about it feels fake or forced and I can't tell who is at fault

[QuantumRadius]

Spoiler: snip

ok idk... ginngie v. bulba is giving me TvS vibes... idrk who's who

Can you help me understand non-directional TvS? I mean, how does something read like that, yet it's not clear which is which? Not a trick question.

-Kelvin

an excellent question.
forgive my self-meta and my terrible explanation for it

in fm I have skills that are, as I would describe, more abstract than factually and logically based.
one of my better skills is reading two-player interactions based on intensity, in cooperation with my individual scumreads
the most intense arguments are usually TvT, because both players know they are on the town side and think that the other could be scum, or someone is annoyed by someone else
TvS usually is slightly less intense/more civil. with the scum player attempting to cooperate with the townie and earn their trust, or to bail from the pressure, it feels like something is being either held back or forced.
SvS are usually quick, not-really-conflict-y interactions. cooperating on a fabricated agenda to support something, or distance from a teammate. usually any real dissonance in the scumteam would be resolved in the maf chat, not in the thread. I almost never read this unless I see obvious ties, or one of them is confmaf

nondirectional tvs is what I read when both players are engaging each other, but I have none of that logic/fact/meta to scumread either in particular, and yet I feel that one of them is artificially engaged, and idk who. something about it feels fake or forced and I can't tell who is at fault

Interesting. It seems odd to me that you could notice artificial engagement without being able to tell which party was the initiator.

Also, holy shit, I'm caught up! Now to go eat cereal, go to sleep, and fall behind again when tomorrow rolls around.

-Kelvin

yeah. this is why I try to stick to the factual arguments. stuff like this happens in the really weird mushy part of my brain where everything makes sense but you can't explain it. that part of my thought process is pretty indescribable but it's remarkably more accurate.

[QuantumRadius]

I'm starting a fight

VOTE: MathBlade

woah there
is this about the light pt thing
because that escalated waaaaay out of proportion imo

[QuantumRadius]

I'm starting a fight

VOTE: MathBlade

Mathblade is like obvtown. This is a bad post

eh... from what I hear that may not be entirely true, but math is null-slight town for me, solidly.

[QuantumRadius]

aaaaaagh I need more from snarkyyyy

[QuantumRadius]

I'm starting a fight

VOTE: MathBlade

woah there
is this about the light pt thing
because that escalated waaaaay out of proportion imo

What's happening in the Light PT that would explain that vote?

ginngie thinks math is fencesitting on her
wish I could quote it, it's almost hilarious

sorry if less intelligible than normal, I've been away from home all day today and I feel awful

[QuantumRadius]

light!198 is a freaking gem

<<< DrCirno replaces ThinkBig effective immediately. >>>

oh hi. more people I don't know

[QuantumRadius]

Hi DrCirno. Hate to break it to you, but I'm like 99.9% sure your slot is scum. The good news is that most people in this game not named me are blind to that fact so you might be fine

Good, good. Now I'm confirmed town.

savage

go to my early ISO for a sarcastically toned synopsis of the first 40ish pages

[QuantumRadius]

Hey Quantum
do you have any idea who might be scum besides Titus?

titus is by far the strongest
vedith is a weak sr
minor pings from aronis here and there, not sure how ai that is
i'm thinking 1-2 scum in the inactives
maaaaaybe math if I were to buy the meta suspicion on him, but I'm not really sr'ing him without it

If you think from Rauth's perspective, don't you think that he could also just be town who genuinely thinks that softing is anti-town?

What if a light side player really wanted town to know things after death? Rauth wants town players not to do that for a reason.

If a light player is killed it will be a full flip, no? Why are you assuming that is Rauth's agenda? What is there in his ISO that led you to think that was his intention, rather than for instance just being town not wanting scum to know roles and not thinking about anything else?

No. Rauth would be scumhunting if that were true. The only things Rauth has done are

1) Try to bus aronis and failed
2) Push a fake slip
3) Bitch about softing.

I'm not inclined to think Rauth is anti-softing here.

..Titus...This is just horrible. *sighs*

No decent scum worth their salt insta busses. If they do they suck so bad they'll be taken care of anyway.

i was in a game once where a mafia gladiator gladiated d1 with a mafia tree stump
i'm losing faith in what scum WON'T do

[QuantumRadius]

Ginnie plz
do that in the pt

@a2 sure, I can come up with something else, but not tonight. i'm half dead rn

[QuantumRadius]

minor pings from aronis here and there, not sure how ai that is

Dude, just get on aronis then and push me for bussing after he flips scum.

d-did you just claim scum?
okay right

[QuantumRadius]

minor pings from aronis here and there, not sure how ai that is

Dude, just get on aronis then and push me for bussing after he flips scum.

d-did you just claim scum?
okay right

No.



I seriously am this close on giving up and losing faith in town.

you just suggested that you are bussing a mafia teammate
what reaction did you expect from me

[QuantumRadius]

... okay
1) woah
2) everyone calm down
3) @fkb this is the tvt thing I was saying stuff about

[QuantumRadius]

you just suggested that you are bussing a mafia teammate
what reaction did you expect from me

It's a mid-tier manipulation technique where you use someone's scumread on you to lynch your scumread by falsely connecting yourself with your scumread.

... so if aronis is town titus gets chainlynched?
that makes zero fucking sense as either alignment on d1

[QuantumRadius]

you just suggested that you are bussing a mafia teammate
what reaction did you expect from me

It's a mid-tier manipulation technique where you use someone's scumread on you to lynch your scumread by falsely connecting yourself with your scumread.

... so if aronis is town titus gets chainlynched?
that makes zero fucking sense as either alignment on d1

:/ Now this is like extraplanetary.

All I was saying was Aronis is scum. You SR him. Help me lynch him and then you argue I hard bussed.

the actual fuck
i never said that I sr aronis, I said I got 1-2 pings of questionable ai-ness. the rest is pure vi

I better not be that one anti-town guy

LMAO HOLY SHIT

@a2 I'll pvpa ginngie next
I'm confused af by them

[QuantumRadius]

Let me make a summary.

Gin: Math why your read change on me
Math: *ketchup posting*
Gin: Math?
Math: *more ketchup posting*
Gin: MATH WHAT AM I, A CHOPPED LIVER?????
MATH: OMG STOP SPAMMING SCUM

quantum in the background: _{hey guys I'm finding scum I think
help}

[QuantumRadius]

Let me make a summary.

Gin: Math why your read change on me
Math: *ketchup posting*
Gin: Math?
Math: *more ketchup posting*
Gin: MATH WHAT AM I, A CHOPPED LIVER?????
MATH: OMG STOP SPAMMING SCUM

quantum in the background: _{hey guys I'm finding scum I think
help}

Hey, we can still talk reads if you want...

1) you're in my reads. nice try, I'm not falling for read pollution
2) i need advice from slightly more competent townies than me
Kelvin's been super helpful but he's like the only one who I can follow reasonably that's actually responded to me on anything

[QuantumRadius]

re:1678
i'm struggling to tell if this is a site meta difference, the same thing i think it is but a shit ton more complicated, or just plain wrong
where i come from it's when you go through all the annoying players d1, pick one, deathtunnel them, and when they claim vanilla you hammer.

re:1735
n-no... please don't do that...

re:1736
@aronis
1) sorry
2) why would you claim

@Titus in general
I'm catching up from last night, sorry if I don't respond quickly , the thread blew up while I

was

am asleep

[QuantumRadius]

are you familiar with reads evolving?

Are you familiar with me saying that I'm always right?

are you familiar with UNDERSTOOD/anrock?

[QuantumRadius]

re:1736
@aronis
1) sorry
2) why would you claim

It's called an obvious fakeclaim. Welcome to Mafiascum.

-Kelvin

yeah, no. that's completely false
you pretty much have to share a pt with another player to even consider mason a viable fakeclaim
so if one mason flips maf so are all the rest
that's WAAAY too risky for a d1, plus you can't say that you masoned with a dead player cuz there are none
there's no way that's fake.

I'm a night kill immune miller vig

Yeah and I am a zombie mass scum exploder. /sarcasm obviously

i memeclaimed robotic pirate zombie once
as it turns out that was actually in the game

[QuantumRadius]

actually how tf would masonry even work in this setup

I'm completely confused

[QuantumRadius]

@QR, Like any other setup.

@Aronis, I feel like you're trying to take advantage of me reading masons as scum to claim masons here. Why claim at all while insisting your vote on texcat wasn't because you were scared?

but how can the masons mason if they don't know that they're masons?
Masonception

[QuantumRadius]

aronis
you didn't fucking realize that you hardclaimed
wt...f

[QuantumRadius]

i have a laptop now
imma analyze ginngie

[QuantumRadius]

here's some stuff on ginngie for you

Spoiler: a case for ginngie

so ginngie at least starts out slightly more normally than titus. places memevote on 79CE in 35 during the pregame
passingly jokes that they will nk someone in 40. looks like a meme, i don't think it's ai
62 derps about the 2 pt's. derpclear denied for many, many reasons

224 joins the popular aronis wagon, naked vote, but rvs
a lot of fluff in this iso early on.

ping in 266
i'm not really sure how to interpret this, if they meant that they were being opportunistic af on the aronis wagon, not interacting, or being a lurker
any way you slice it, it's pretty sketchy
271, then points out the naked vote thing and makes it look really sketchy and wants to be read for it. i'm calling that very slightly town ai, because scum don't want that attention on themselves

ginngie seems really self-conscious. if someone would please tell me meta for that. they seem concerned that nobody's pushing or scumreading them.
this directly causes the titus interaction, starting around 284ish in the iso

votes math in 298
i don't 100% understand this one, but it looks like it made sense at the time so

is there any content in this iso

373 seconds bulbazak's 371, showing consensus that vedith should be vigged for some reason
um

naked votes 79CE in 452, tries to take aronis onto it with 454
just... no

objects to pre-flip analysis in 469, again in 801
personally i disagree, but i think that's more of a preference thing, i think you can find plenty of associations preflip

notes an inconsistency in titus' voting patterns in 471, expands upon it and repeats it for... eons.
482 good analysis. not just saying that for bias, i would not have pieced that together.
502 on the other hand
this argument goes on forever.

this pvpa is difficult because ginngie doesn't quote anything and i don't feel like reading back the entire thread
620 yes. do it. please. this hurts

723 discredits a math meta read
again i disagree because of preference, usually when i'm well-established in meta i can immediately tell when someone's scum, but that's not ai

866 switches vote to snarky after disagreeing with a read
i feel that was probably justified, even thinkbrain objected to the townread on himself

i showed up around here. ginngie begins interacting with me.
in the light pt they expressed interest in buddying me
970 comments on a bad read on my part. i agree with that in retrospect
i really like 974, that was a good reaction

from here it all kind of switches directions.

982 votes thinkbrain
begins deathtunneling thinkbrain, mostly for inactivity, which i wholeheartedly disagree with

1111 (nice.) they did that thing i hate where they're like "i'm obvious town though" when they're really not that obvious
like i'm just supposed to fucking believe them
aaarghhh

1119 this is a ping.
it seems really agenda-y to lay out the exact order in which you want to wrangle a wagon.
plus assuming you'd get my vote that easily, or at all, when i specifically do not sheep.
1127 bad response to my early titus push.

"i don't care what your reads are because i'm deathtunneling someone else, and i don't know you. sheep me dammit"

they actually react negatively a lot to my early promises of a titus deathtunnel, if ginngie is scum i wouldn't be surprised if titus was a buddy and this was a subtle defense disguised as jabs to my nonexistent site credibility

1216 no, i still don't get it
1225 NO

gets pissed around 1238 because bulbazak misrepresented their pushes or was interfering with them
stays pissed with them for a while actually, culminates around 1260
questions my reads on this interaction in 1262 and forward
i like how they tried to help me develop that read a bit more, but i don't like the interaction itself

1453 votes math for apparently reading her inconsistently in the light pt
it was inevitable from what i saw
this is followed by a bunch of raging at math

objects to a pl vote by a2 in 1559+

1612 attempted buddying DrCirno
which is the most ironic thing in the game because SHE WAS DEATHTUNNELING THE THINK=>DR SLOT EARLIER

naked votes texcat in 1780, and that's about it
----------------------------------------
main concerns are low content, much repetition, and flipflopping.

i'd be willing to compromise if this ever became a wagon

[QuantumRadius]

i'm sorry in advance, kelvin

[QuantumRadius]

i read the responses, most of them were decent. there's a couple i should get around to responding to but overall yeah

[QuantumRadius]

quantum's reference posts
replace in	902
catchup 1-10	946
catchup 11-15	969
catchup 16-20	1012
catchup 21-25	1035
catchup 26-30	1037
catchup 31-35	1038
titus pvpa	1195
summary of titus push	1363
ginngie pvpa	1827

we don't have these fancy tables on tos
might as well stay organized so i know where everything is lol because i WILL lose it

[QuantumRadius]

am i supposed to read the ginngie case or will you give me a tl;dr?

you read the last one and enjoyed it tho

[QuantumRadius]

i can check that one next, that'll be a short one
but itll be tomorrow

[QuantumRadius]

Daykill EddieFenix

the first one didn't go through
you didn't think this one would, did you?

[QuantumRadius]

Daykill EddieFenix

the first one didn't go through
you didn't think this one would, did you?

daykill QR

WHY?!??!?!

[QuantumRadius]

vedith are you scumreading me?

[QuantumRadius]

vedith are you scumreading me?

No, should I?

if you're planning on dayvigging me I would prefer that you're scumreading me first...

[QuantumRadius]

You're so new it's CUTE!

Spoiler:

vedith are you scumreading me?

No, should I?

if you're planning on dayvigging me I would prefer that you're scumreading me first...

I would never Dayvig you. It wasn't me I promise... I was actually going to ask if we could be best friends.

STAHP TRYING TO BUDDY ME PLEASE
idk why but it's really unsettling

vedith are you scumreading me?

No, should I?

if you're planning on dayvigging me I would prefer that you're scumreading me first...

QR, what part of ploys do you not understand?

twas but a meme

[QuantumRadius]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

[QuantumRadius]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

I just wanted to make you proud
I'm sorry.

you're scaaaaaring meeeee

[QuantumRadius]

Ya know, it gets to the point where it sounds fake

it's about 50% exaggeration, yes
but seriously, don't do that, it makes me nervous
i've only lead a town once and everything went to shit very quickly

[QuantumRadius]

VOTE: texcat

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

naked votes?
OK now you're just trying to drive me insane

[QuantumRadius]

I concluded QuantumRadius is an alt.

actually, no. i'm not
quantumradius is my alt on another site but it's my main and only account here

[QuantumRadius]

i like creature so far, the iso is just ridiculously spread out. you don't need a new post for every sentence

[QuantumRadius]

So, what now?

i recommend you check my cases on titus and ginngie
idk

[QuantumRadius]

I see Snarky hasn't posted since I voted him.
I really feel like texcat wagon is just a lazy wagon.

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

that's a wolfy sheep vote you got there

[QuantumRadius]

Coming from someone having doubts at the texcat wagon and that showed intent to switch to Snarky 1-2 days ago.

this is exactly why it's a wolfy sheep vote
it looks like you're looking for approval before you switched, and you finally got it with that post

[QuantumRadius]

Spoiler: i checked snarky

this iso is the shortest thing ever so i'm gonna be brief
snarky replaces therealzeus, who was an extremely light townread for me

863 woah woah woah what
there was nothing in the thinkbig iso worth that strong a read
he tries to explain in 1268, the townread was apparently based on the fact that thinkbig wanted to end the memephase? that's nai

unvotes for his slot in 1004

1223 and 1389 complains we're all posting too much

1784 expresses interest in pressure on ginngie, townreads texcat
still seems way behind in catching up

that's literally the entire iso. this is an ideal pl, he isn't producing content at all and is way behind

[QuantumRadius]

wait a sec
you're both in the dark

how do you both not have the same thing

[QuantumRadius]

wait a sec
you're both in the dark

how do you both not have the same thing

This is the entire point.

woahkay then
VOTE: aronis

[QuantumRadius]

idk, the last 3 votes are all townreads.

Are you implying that makes the votes somehow not dumb?

-Kelvin

someone just said something they aren't supposed to know
how is it dumb

[QuantumRadius]

well this exploded
anything happen that I need to respond to?

[QuantumRadius]

Oh holy gods of mafiascum, I pray to thee. Tell me who the scumfucks are, but retell if you say Aronis or Rauth as your little minion does not want to risk the possibility of lynching a mason.

sorry, the gods are unavailable
I'm the intern
it says here that you are scum

[QuantumRadius]

VOTE: Ginngie

wut

[QuantumRadius]

Gin
can you remind me again who's posting you do care about and who's posting you don't care about?

yee

off the top of my head

texcat
bulba
Titus
Math
A2
Rauth
Aronis
Snarky
DrCirco
Eddie

long pause

yeah I cant remember anyone past that list

dang

VOTE: Ginngie

wut

wat

y u do dis

[QuantumRadius]

because I'm a god

i cc

[QuantumRadius]

i'm not exactly sure what to do
aronis did a stupid but it was almost too stupid to be scum, especially because maf has daychat
and I can't get Titus today, no wagon support
aaaaagh
UNVOTE: aronis

[QuantumRadius]

Why not Snarky?

snarky is a pl at best
he's just inactive
there's no value in that lynch

[QuantumRadius]

or we could cfd ginngie
it's a riskier lynch but potential associations would be better

[QuantumRadius]

I don't want Aronis.

Why not? He hasn't explained how he has knowledge that only scum could have.

i'm not exactly sure what to do
aronis did a stupid but it was almost too stupid to be scum, especially because maf has daychat
and I can't get Titus today, no wagon support
aaaaagh
UNVOTE: aronis

I agree that it was almost too stupid to be scum, but how could it possibly be town???? No one can explain how he has this knowledge that he shouldn't have.

there are no neutrals
not scum = town

aronis can you explain your derpclaim
how tf did that work

VOTE: ginngie
cfd it to freelo
it's the best I can see happening for today

[QuantumRadius]

-Aronis knows role and knows they are linked with Rauth
-Rauth doesn't know anything
-Lets not lynch Aronis

10/10 town.

Fucking idiots.

if they know they are mason
and mason can't be scum
...?

[QuantumRadius]

that's what I'm asking them
it doesn't make sense for them to know that, but scum masons make no sense either, and how would he know rauth's alignment in order to fake townslip

[QuantumRadius]

Finishing up reading through this cesspool of nonsense. Don't lunch me. There are like 5 better lynches. Let me claim and get reads out before lynch at least.

mmmmm lunch

why didn't you claim in this post

[QuantumRadius]

because I want to hear his explanation on how he got that. if he can't explain it it's a scumslip.
just keep in mind aronis is on the dark side, and the flip will be alignment only

[QuantumRadius]

I just dislike the idea of flipping in the dark
seems really risky

[QuantumRadius]

Flipping in the dark is better anyway.
Even more so with this player list who couldn't arrange a piss up in a brewery.

Lynching light town means that Scum have an advantage on powers compared to not Lyncing town light.

....?
flipping in the dark gives us less information

[QuantumRadius]

because if we lynch aronis now, and they flip town, we lose all explanation of how the heck they got that information

[QuantumRadius]

b-e-a-tiful <3

fail

ginngie is the best lynch if we don't want to pl in the dark. we're running out of time, and the aronis wagon is weak

[QuantumRadius]

what's going on in the dark chat about this

[QuantumRadius]

there's no associations in an Eddie lynch
that's why I want to cfd ginngie

[QuantumRadius]

chinese fire drill
basically we switch wagons really fast

[QuantumRadius]

Lol sorry mastina *hugs*

well I guess we don't have to cfd

[QuantumRadius]

What exactly is it about me you want to lynch right now?

cuz like, in your pbpa you're like, yeah could be town, would compromise

and it's like, you're "compromising" is trying to start a wagon that is going no where?

no
a) read it again
b) I just realized that I would have to do an excessive amount of work on the Titus wagon
more people are scumreading you than Titus so it's easier to push quickly, but Titus is a stronger scum

[QuantumRadius]

??
First,

@mastina

my V/LA notice is no longer necessary.
Second,

@everyone

Why is Snarky vote a thing? I mean every game that I've seen him lurking this bad he was scum, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

oh god
he's a meta lurker?
you're making this harder

[QuantumRadius]

snarky you may want to claim
we're short on time, we could use some time to switch wagons

ginngie would tell us about Titus, at least. in general snarky is just isolated from others, whereas ginngie is interacting with people

[QuantumRadius]

What does anyone expect to gain from my lynch vs ginngie or even aronis? Like there are associatives you can draw from those. Mine is just like "you lynched snarky?" "yeah" "k" and the day was wasted on that.

What associations could we draw from those?

-Kelvin

Who was for the wagon, who was against it, where the lead was coming from (town / scum driven), interactions, etc.

The only reason to lynch me is activity, and I'm not exactly the only one to be inactive - I'm just low hanging fruit.

eh, we can get for and against from anyone
that defense is weak sauce

[QuantumRadius]

"Lynch Gin because he's been scum hunting, I know I haven't so because I add nothing of value, I'm pro-town

>hunting two strong scumreads
>not adding anything valuable

mmhmm

[QuantumRadius]

"Lynch Gin because he's been scum hunting, I know I haven't so because I add nothing of value, I'm pro-town

>hunting two strong scumreads
>not adding anything valuable

mmhmm

He has two strong scum reads now?

When did that happen?

Exclude the OMGUS what's he done?

oh lol I thought you were talking about me

[QuantumRadius]

wait.

so your excuse is that... you guessed

yeah I'm not buying it
VOTE: aronis

[QuantumRadius]

can we maybe try to lynch someone for whom we actually have some evidence for being scum
from an outsider's pov, d1 has been a whole lot of nothing
VOTE: titus

[QuantumRadius]

i mean would you prefer ginngie? idrk anymore, this stagnated but I don't know how to kick it back into gear

yeah I should go do that

[QuantumRadius]

no.
we get some type of information no matter who we lynch

[QuantumRadius]

VOTE: Bulba

woah woah woah
you were townreading him earlier
y u doing that

Anyone wanna flashwagon Texcat?

no

I guess I'm not voting anymore this day.

why
i mean it's not like this town is uncoordinated or anything... but you're just going to stay off all wagons as a result?
at least put it somewhere

[QuantumRadius]

Any wagon I join I end up changing my mind.

oh... just tentative

soooooo who're you scumreading

[QuantumRadius]

I see an awful lot of vanity wagons still going around, as well as a bunch of no votes. So effectively half the game is abstaining from taking part in the Snarky lynch wagon while tacitly supporting one or the other. Boy, people are going to have a field day analyzing this one.

-Kelvin

one or the other? of what? aronis?
let it be clear that I am STRONGLY against both. they're both awful lynch choices

[QuantumRadius]

Titus or ginngie. those at least give us info if they're not scum

[QuantumRadius]

well then what's the holdup?
VOTE: ginngie

[QuantumRadius]

so you're willing to risk a ti on d1 with the aronis lynch
... i have my doubts but that's ridiculous

[QuantumRadius]

1. mostly the ti claim changed my mind, I'm not willing to risk that this early
2. I seriously can't choose they're both that bad. snarky's up for inactivity, aronis for whatever the hell that reaction test thing was, and they're both stupid choices. can't believe we spent 3 weeks on that
3. I moved to ginngie, it's slightly more likely to happen. happy? no?

[QuantumRadius]

ti = town investigative

sorry bad old site habits

[QuantumRadius]

zzzzz

[QuantumRadius]

mobile posting, sorry, didn't mean to submit that lol
but can someone convince me to join a good wagon without me having to strongarm them onto ginngie?
because both wagons are bad

[QuantumRadius]

ginngie i sympathize
these are awful wagons and I've done nearly everything in my power

[QuantumRadius]

both of them are town, ginngie

[QuantumRadius]

Well tell me why babe

lemme tell ya babe~

Spoiler:

the aronis wagon was built mostly as a response to an obviously fake mason claim
from what I've gotten so far, aronis seems like a more chaotic player. whereas I am obsessed with building a position and organizing myself to further that position, aronis has taken multiple weak stances and just in general doesn't have the strength of content that some other isos have.
given this apparent playstyle, I wouldn't put it past her to fakeclaim something ridiculous like that as town, I really don't think a scum would risk that kind of gambit on d1.

the snarky wagon was based on the fact that snarky was inactive.
this argument was just awful. scum don't always lurk; sometimes scum are the most active players. activity level is nai. after they returned they did their best to contribute, mostly in defense.
the only argument I have seen to the good here is that it could be part of scum meta. I'd like to learn a bit more on that subject; snarky could just be a habitual lurker as either alignment, and someone could have picked up on it somewhere, I don't know. that is about the only positive that wagon has.

[QuantumRadius]

QR get off your god dam vanity wagon it's deadline.

i... i don't know what's wrong with me, i just can't. aronis is probably town, snarky is likely town... I'm not scumreading any major wagons.

Knew there was something good about Snarky.

Vote Titus

parking here, staying here. Not looking at Aronis lynch. Fuck that shit.

for the sake of plurality ill join you
VOTE: titus

[QuantumRadius]

QR get off your god dam vanity wagon it's deadline.

i... i don't know what's wrong with me, i just can't. aronis is probably town, snarky is likely town... I'm not scumreading any major wagons.

Knew there was something good about Snarky.

Vote Titus

parking here, staying here. Not looking at Aronis lynch. Fuck that shit.

for the sake of plurality ill join you
VOTE: titus

Not a chance in hell.

SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD BE DOING. I'VE NO CLUE ANYMORE

[QuantumRadius]

VOTE EDDIEFENIX

Can we lynch MB?

both of those are terrible.

[QuantumRadius]

VOTE: dramonic
this is about as last ditch as we get. take it or leave it

[QuantumRadius]

Holy fuck QR might actually be scum

what
how tf did you reach that conclusion

[QuantumRadius]

What has dramonic done?

Nothing I just like him.

Look, I just found somebody worse at Mafia than me!

*raises hand slowly*

[QuantumRadius]

why Eddie over dramonic
Eddie at least has content at all

[QuantumRadius]

Oh nice, we had to make Snarky claim before pushing a wagon that isn't Aronis nor Snarky.

mission failed
we'll get em next time

[QuantumRadius]

ok speedwagon apparently, ill take it
VOTE: ginngie

[QuantumRadius]

@bulba daychat is guaranteed because the mafia has a factional action they can use during the day

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@bulba daychat is guaranteed because the mafia has a factional action they can use during the day

Where is this? I did not see it.

read the mechanics
if the sides are equal during a phase the mafia can switch players between sides

[QuantumRadius]

during a phase

as in "day PHASE"

[QuantumRadius]

oooooh good point bulba

although...

◦At any time the numbers between sides are equal (e.g. 9:9, 8:8, 4:4),

once per full phase (day/night)

, the mafia may switch two currently-living players: one from light, and one from dark.

the action itself would probably

process

during twilight

idk I'm just really mechanics-oriented

[QuantumRadius]

Ickkk

Probably not a slip but I don't feel good about QR...

because I read the mechanics?
this is exactly why I thought traitor wouldn't work in the setup

[QuantumRadius]

why are we all clueless of the mechanics
after 3 weeks

[QuantumRadius]

Okay I'm going to be serious about this.

@Everyone:
I expect a reads list from everyone in your first post tomorrow.

I'll probably repeat this closer to the deadline so that everyone can see it if they check back in.

And then I realized we have neighborhoods. Can I get someone on the light side of things to promise that they will push people to develop reads in the light neighborhood during the night? Titus? That would help.

i can probably kick butt in the light thread once I organize my own reads

[QuantumRadius]

{qr, fkb}
{math, aronis, eddie, snarky, rauth}
[texcat, dramonic, bulba, 79ce, vedith, btd6, a2]
{creature, drcirno}
{titus, ginngie}

this is just quick, I can answer questions later in the light pt

VOTE: dramonic
let's do this

[QuantumRadius]

holy hell that's the minute of deadline
did we get it?

<<< My ruling is no. >>>

[QuantumRadius]

unofficially at deadline:
Eddie: 6 (79ce, a2, bulba, fkb, ginngie, Titus)
Dramonic: 5 (eddie, rauth, creature, qr, snarky)
Aronis: 3 (dramonic, texcat, vedith)
Snarky: 2 (drcirno, aronis)
Texcat: 1 (math)

mission failed

[QuantumRadius]

if ginngie's vote counts the wagons are reversed

I'm not sure how kind the mod will be, though

[QuantumRadius]

*hugs nancy*

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lmao found the scumteam

[QuantumRadius]

VOTE: QR

so clever
still sring you btw

[QuantumRadius]

I can be clever, if given the right inspiration and real life mood.

I once posted entirely in memes. Readwalls with that were a bitch.

Say, your dram and BTD reads please? Who do you think is the guilty QR?

well let's put my feet into a rolecop's shoes
if I were not tunneling Titus and Ginngie so hard, I would check btd6. they're the least active player in the light, and I'm reading them null for that reason. it'd make the most sense for that to be the check.

[QuantumRadius]

tbh tho
even though strongman is in the light
wouldn't really mind a dramonic lynch

[QuantumRadius]

excellent content. forming a good, independent position with that

[QuantumRadius]

tbh tho
even though strongman is in the light
wouldn't really mind a dramonic lynch

Idk if QR is parroting off of what I said but like, you're scummier than a guilty right now

thanks for the shade
explain that