That's fine, someday Senpai will notice meIn post 786, Drixx wrote:Welcome Elbirn. Your slot is widely scum read.
I've read *whispers in ear* everythingIn post 803, nancy wrote:Hi Elbirn! Sorry I've been distracted by... girlfriends.
Let me know when you get caught up.
Welcome, itlepip. You are currently my strongest scumread.
In post 535, Raya36 wrote: If I were scum it would be a pretty dumb move to kill the one player who reads me as scum the most. That's pretty much asking for suspicion (as I'm clearly already getting).
Like oh my god its so gross kill it kill it KILL ITIn post 545, Raya36 wrote: Suffleplay was pretty town and probably a good kill for mafia to make. If I were mafia it would have been a bad kill since it brought suspicion on me.
Certainly!In post 828, Raya36 wrote:Can you explain what is so bad about this so I can defend myself rather than just calling it gross.In post 808, Elbirn wrote:In post 535, Raya36 wrote: If I were scum it would be a pretty dumb move to kill the one player who reads me as scum the most. That's pretty much asking for suspicion (as I'm clearly already getting).Like oh my god its so gross kill it kill it KILL ITIn post 545, Raya36 wrote: Suffleplay was pretty town and probably a good kill for mafia to make. If I were mafia it would have been a bad kill since it brought suspicion on me.
Well the idea that I'm getting at is this: Mafia want to control the "flow" of town. They don't want players alive who suspect them. And they know that they can kill players who suspect them and get away with it the majority of the time, and the way that they get away with it is either by hoping no one notices, or if someone does notice they say it's all WIFOM, or someone declares that analyzing night kills is pointless, and then lo and behold the naysayers were all scum who didn't want you to pay attention to the man behind the curtain. It's a very easy situation to talk yourself out of, which is exactly why I insist on being a pain in the ass about itIn post 831, Raya36 wrote: I wasn't saying that mafia was killing at random or conspiring against me and killed Shuffle to bring suspicion onto me. I was simply saying that if I were mafia Shuffle would not have been my first choice of a kill since if I was thinking ahead I would have seen that Shuffle was sus of me and killing them would only bring more sus onto me.
I can sort of see why you are coming to this conclusion but it still doesn't make complete sense to me. Can I ask you why scum would want to kill a player sus of them? I understand that they obviously don't want that sus but it isn't that hard to think ahead to the next day and see that town will probably just end up being even more sus of you since the player sussing you was nked. It would make more sense to me to save that player for a later nk so it doesn't look like you are desperate to eliminate the sus.
I will keep this is mind. I don't mean to be defending myself with solely this reason and I understand how it is a scummy defense but there really hasn't been many other reasons brought up as to why people are sus of me. I get that scum could easily nk someone sus of them and then say what I've been saying, I just am not used to this playstyle being used and I thought it would be too risky for scum to actually ever use which is why I never really considered it before.
Itlepip, you just said this post was bad? Talk to me about this please?In post 423, Drixx wrote:If you feel that both are scum, then why are you insisting someone change? You can easily hammer bombcat, who is defiantly telling us he won't claim or say anything. He's daring us to lynch him in what looks like a classic case of scum bravado to try and get us to blink. Take him up on his dare and hammer him. You literally just said he's scum. He's reacted to being put at L-1 in a scummy fashion.
Something is very off about that post keyen.
I think I already know what I think about this, but rather than commenting I'd like to ask Drixx to reply to this.In post 837, itlepip wrote:ugh the logic assumes I am town but bear with it just to see where I am coming from, replacements make games annoying.
So we have Drixx, a strong player who has very little content in a gamestate where only a few players, (bombcat, shuffle and maybe Key) had any actual analysis that game. Key basically is listening to whatever he says. There are two lynches looming right now, and for the sake of analysis they are both town. One of them is BK, who is going to be a mislynch at some point of the game. He isn't actually playing the game or willing to defend himself. Second there is bombcat who has does play the game although has an awful personality which is NAI. Drixx doesn't even have any logic for either of the two slots being scum (or any content d1 after post 70), but seems to be voting annoying people. He pushes key to switch reads and hammer bomb without using any logic for why bomb is a better kill than BK. A good player doesn't trust that Key has 100% found the scumteam d1, especially in a game as empty as this one, but Drixx doesn't care and pushes for a hammer. He also doesn't After the town flip (and the shuffle kill (which Drixx would make after 441 but I think almost every scumteam imaginable would kill shuffle)) BK was the opposite wagon to a town flip, and since he doesn't play the game almost certainly dies there with maybe some suspicion on Drixx but more on Key for hammering a town and PoEing two town.
Then finally the day ends with the other wagon than bombcat being killed, and not only does Drixx not push on RC the next day at all but sheeps RC's scumread on Nancy. Plus he very little good content this game.
Plus the 'I would have killed Nancy' was meh, especially since we basically had a conftown. He hasn't done anything towny and did a scummy thing which I expect way more from town Drixx.
With this in mind, what is your read on Key?In post 838, Raya36 wrote: As for why Shuffle was killed, I think it might be because they were one of the more vocal players. They didn't have a huge amount of posts but they were engaging in conversation, scumhunting and they seem to be a strong player. I also don't think they would have been an easu mislynch for scum to push.It is of course possible that they had a lead on who scum isbut as I had been explaining I don't really like to depend on that since so many factors go into who is NKed. Maybe it was a mix of both? Being a strong and active player as well as maybe having a slight scum read or slight lead towards who is scum?
In post 436, shuffleplay wrote: So conclusion- both Raya and Burgerking have made some pretty scummy and opportunistic voting choices in my eyes. It isn't just that they put multiple wagons at L-1, but the way they voted with little to no original thought or explanation of their own, just coasting along with the wagon. Idk if Raya/Burger scumteam makes a lot of sense to me at this point, but my scum pool currently is- Raya, Burger, and Flog slot/ThinkBig
So raya, you are correct, I have no idea why I thought shuffle was scumreading key.In post 447, shuffleplay wrote:Also hey town, if I die tonight, pleaaaaaseeee look into Raya, ThinkBig
In post 843, Raya36 wrote:Kind of jumped onto the Burger sus wagon without mucj explanation.In post 383, ThinkBig wrote:I do not like this post. I do not like this at all.In post 136, Burgerking wrote:raya's posts aren't really town.In post 132, keyenpeydee wrote:Raya's post are really town. If she's scum, I think she's doing a good job faking it as a newbie.
if shes scum and u're town then u did bad at le scumhunting
In post 839, Elbirn wrote:In post 837, itlepip wrote:ugh the logic assumes I am town but bear with it just to see where I am coming from, replacements make games annoying.
So we have Drixx, a strong player who has very little content in a gamestate where only a few players, (bombcat, shuffle and maybe Key) had any actual analysis that game. Key basically is listening to whatever he says. There are two lynches looming right now, and for the sake of analysis they are both town. One of them is BK, who is going to be a mislynch at some point of the game. He isn't actually playing the game or willing to defend himself. Second there is bombcat who has does play the game although has an awful personality which is NAI. Drixx doesn't even have any logic for either of the two slots being scum (or any content d1 after post 70), but seems to be voting annoying people. He pushes key to switch reads and hammer bomb without using any logic for why bomb is a better kill than BK. A good player doesn't trust that Key has 100% found the scumteam d1, especially in a game as empty as this one, but Drixx doesn't care and pushes for a hammer. He also doesn't After the town flip (and the shuffle kill (which Drixx would make after 441 but I think almost every scumteam imaginable would kill shuffle)) BK was the opposite wagon to a town flip, and since he doesn't play the game almost certainly dies there with maybe some suspicion on Drixx but more on Key for hammering a town and PoEing two town.
Then finally the day ends with the other wagon than bombcat being killed, and not only does Drixx not push on RC the next day at all but sheeps RC's scumread on Nancy. Plus he very little good content this game.
Plus the 'I would have killed Nancy' was meh, especially since we basically had a conftown. He hasn't done anything towny and did a scummy thing which I expect way more from town Drixx.I think I already know what I think about this, but rather than commenting I'd like to ask Drixx to reply to this.
In post 564, ThinkBig wrote:Hey nancy, are you around? Let's talk if you are.
I'm a bit weary of the Raya wagon. The shuffleplay kill may have been a kill to frame Raya.
In post 593, ThinkBig wrote:Quickhammer? I gave him time to claim and speak. He refused to claim and contradicted himself in every post. I don't feel sorry for the hammer at all.In post 572, RadiantCowbells wrote:what was that quickhammer TB
OhIn post 721, ThinkBig wrote:I'm still working on re-reading the game. Where I'm at right now:
RC - Town lean right now. I like the way you are pushing the game forward and trying to get this game moving.
keyenpeydee - town lean. His early frustration with my predecessor feels genuine frustration.
nancy/ZZZX - still working on it.
Raya36 - scum. Although I'm worried that the shuffleplay kill was a frame kill, I think some of Raya's post and votes feel rather opportunistic to me.
This is where I'm at now, though as I said, I'm working on re-reading the game and trying not to tunnel too much on the bombcat slot.
drixx - scum lean. Hasn't really done much scum hunting this game and has not really tried to move the game forward. I understand he is sick and has medical issues so I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Itlepip did also just enter the game today, yes? He's at least given SOME content so far, and based on that + good tummy feelings I can give him more time to dazzle us.In post 862, nancy wrote:Meh I'm not feeling it from itlepip. I don't really feel him scumhunting/sorting since coming in so much as summarizing. What did you like about bombcat so much?
In post 865, nancy wrote:If TB is scum though it does feel like he's spewed bombcat town a little I guess?
I read the iso and I don't even see why he was ever voting/scumreading bombcat...??? Like it happened but for no reason, and always secondary to burgerking. Then he completely changed his tune once rc came in.In post 866, nancy wrote:Like TB hates playing scum and especially hates LyLo so I can't honestly see him tunneling his scumbud here.
Yeah I grok exactly where you're at re: ray. She kinda came across earlier today as if she were frustrated town? Newb town being rail roaded? Mostly a feeling, plus it's notable that no slot in this game was sticking up for her which is pretty telling.In post 871, nancy wrote:Right now I can't help but think a lot of the hate for Raya may just be getting hate because she's doing superficially scummy shit that is actually just newb shit and not actual scum shit. I like her tonally for the most part and her recent things weren't pretty good for me? Did you feel the same way? Like what are you seeing there right now?
You're caught up completely right?
pedit yeah his stances have just been a hot mess all game, look at the way he was treating my slot it was like he was scared of scumreading me but hedging on it then when RC displayed a scumread he jumped on it
To wit: if we are in setup 1, then mafia knows that bp is a safe and believable claim. Which is exactly why TB's claim is a lie and we're lynching him today
1. Ewww you mean you don't use the 3rd person they/them/their? Drixx I thought we were friends what the hellIn post 917, Drixx wrote: I wrote that post before he threw in the towel and just kept trying to submit it as more posts piled on. The underlying principle of allowing someone to explain himself (using the English proper male pronoun when referring to unknown gender) was the point of the post. That post was never a defense of TB.
If you actually think I'm scum, do you really think so poorly of me that you think I would make THAT post (or ANY post) trying to save TB from that position? That's fucking insulting man.
In post 837, itlepip wrote:ugh the logic assumes I am town but bear with it just to see where I am coming from, replacements make games annoying.
So we have Drixx, a strong player who has very little content in a gamestate where only a few players, (bombcat, shuffle and maybe Key) had any actual analysis that game. Key basically is listening to whatever he says. There are two lynches looming right now, and for the sake of analysis they are both town. One of them is BK, who is going to be a mislynch at some point of the game. He isn't actually playing the game or willing to defend himself. Second there is bombcat who has does play the game although has an awful personality which is NAI. Drixx doesn't even have any logic for either of the two slots being scum (or any content d1 after post 70), but seems to be voting annoying people. He pushes key to switch reads and hammer bomb without using any logic for why bomb is a better kill than BK. A good player doesn't trust that Key has 100% found the scumteam d1, especially in a game as empty as this one, but Drixx doesn't care and pushes for a hammer. He also doesn't After the town flip (and the shuffle kill (which Drixx would make after 441 but I think almost every scumteam imaginable would kill shuffle)) BK was the opposite wagon to a town flip, and since he doesn't play the game almost certainly dies there with maybe some suspicion on Drixx but more on Key for hammering a town and PoEing two town.
Then finally the day ends with the other wagon than bombcat being killed, and not only does Drixx not push on RC the next day at all but sheeps RC's scumread on Nancy. Plus he very little good content this game.
Plus the 'I would have killed Nancy' was meh, especially since we basically had a conftown. He hasn't done anything towny and did a scummy thing which I expect way more from town Drixx.
In post 566, Drixx wrote:Back home post "minor" surgery. I took my pain meds a few minutes ago so I have limited time in which I can talk intelligently until they start to wear off in a few hours. Thanks for the well wishes.
@Nancy - I see one of the first things you said is that I would have fear killed you. You're right. I mean ... the slot I replaced into was pretty scummed up, but you played me like a fiddle as I tried everything I could to escape the rope. It was like the proverbial cat and mouse situation. Just thought I would acknowledge. Skill don't lie.
This is what I have found after like, triple checking your iso to ensure I'm not just crazy or dumb or something. These posts were all made prior to the post that itlepip made, hence us saying that you didn't respond to it. But I can also sympathize with blowing off a question you've already answered, which you thought you did because reasonsIn post 845, Drixx wrote:Umm... I'll let Nancy point out the games which represent why a scum me would just kill her and avoid having to deal with her particular brand of crazy. Like ... LOL.
ThinkBig should know better. He's watched me play enough.
VOTE: Raya
In post 948, keyenpeydee wrote:Meh feels like Drixx is the scum
In post 949, keyenpeydee wrote:Also I actually feel good about Raya now
In post 950, keyenpeydee wrote:If Drixx won't flip scum, I don't know who to suspect.
Raya making the TB case is just really on point.
I'd just go with Elbirn being the last scum. ZZZX has been really bad before he was replaced.
This was an emotional roller coaster to read lemme tell yaIn post 954, keyenpeydee wrote:Raya is town for making a good case about TB
Sooooo, Drixx could be the last scum.
Itlepip feels town.
Elbirn feels town.
However, if Drixx didn't flip scum today
We should probably lynch Raya tomorrow.
I believe this is, The Sarcasm?In post 955, Drixx wrote:This is the kind of in depth quality reads I was asking for. A++In post 954, keyenpeydee wrote:Raya is town for making a good case about TB
Sooooo, Drixx could be the last scum.
Itlepip feels town.
Elbirn feels town.
However, if Drixx didn't flip scum today
We should probably lynch Raya tomorrow.
SoIn post 276, TheFlogScrogger wrote:bombcat, Raya, shuffleplay, all other members of the town...
Newb-Scum calling an interaction scum vs. Scum? Like...idk man that's shite.In post 190, TheFlogScrogger wrote:I would also like to add that Drixx could potentially be Bombcat's partner and their entire opener was a ploy. Why would Drixx assume that Bombcat voting him was a troll and that he should be kicked out?
I think that this response makes the most sense if they are mafia together and Drixx was extremely taken aback by Bombcat's vote, insulted even.
Circumstantial evidence points towards you + I want things to happen in this game and nothing happens by us all twiddling our thumbs waiting for one of us to hammer drixx
I didn't state it exactly, but the implication there was supposed to be that a newbie-scum calling an interaction as scum vs. Scum = both those players are more likely town. Drixx and bombcat (now itlepip) get brownie points as a result.In post 998, Raya36 wrote: Are you getting a read one way or the other from Flubber calling Drixx and Bombcat a scum team? Any thoughts on Drixx based on his interactions?
As stated before, itlepip/bombcat/thatwholeslot has felt pretty obvtown to me. Drixx is still the 2nd scummiest scum butt in game but dude idk snore this fucking gameIn post 1012, Raya36 wrote:Nah, it didn't come across as mean.
Anyway, while were waiting for the other players' opinions what are your thoughts on Itle and Drixx past Flog's svs read?
I've literally been asking for two weeks for you to give content and I know that you can't because your guts are like melting or something and I'm sorry but this is where I'm at I need you to do something and I don't need you to yell at me for staring blankly at you waiting for you to do something like it's fucking my faultIn post 1018, Drixx wrote:Holy crap on a stick this game has stagnated. FOUR of us are town, and there's one scum. The four of us who are town are letting that scum get through today without engaging, which means we're going to have little chance of figuring out who they are today, and will make tomorrow even harder.
I can understand why scum is lurking. What about the other three of you?
Dude, get fucking bent. We have all been evaluating other slots. Everyone has been doing shit. You've dodged every attempt everyone in this game has made to engage you or ask you questions, and when we call you on it you whine and bitch like a little child that WE'RE the problem. You are literally 0 percent content and 100 percent excuses and promises to post content, bitching that other people are the ones not giving content, and just fucking noIn post 1025, Drixx wrote:This goes double for Elbirn, who damn well knows he doesn't need me to do shit in order for him to evaluate other slots.In post 1024, Drixx wrote:That is literally the worst thing anyone has posted this entire game. It's IRRELEVANT when I respond to those posts. That's an excuse, and a tired and bad one. It makes you a hypocrite too. You sit and do nothing and refuse to do something with the excuse that I'm not doing exactly what you want me to do.In post 1023, Raya36 wrote:I know you're busy irl but can you please respond to the posts rather than make another post that doesn't help us with scumhunting and sorting at all.
Not really sure what you're saying here. I'm pretty sure there wasn't any suspicion at all on itlepip?In post 1043, Raya36 wrote:I'm not sure that I like that Itle was the one who was nked. It would make a lot more sense to nk you of it were Elbirn rather than the only other person there was any sus of.
In post 1056, Plotinus wrote:Raya366 has been prodded. Since this is her sixth prod, she is also being replaced. If she posts before a replacement can be found, she can stay.
What the fuck am I readingIn post 1070, keyenpeydee wrote:I really want some direct answers to my questions so I want to question this:
1. Raya and Elbirn, what's your read on Itlepip?
My read on itlepip is town, though I scumread bombcat.
In post 1068, keyenpeydee wrote:I honestly don't know why I did that but all I know is that I want to end the game because this is seriously getting boring especially if Raya was replaced.
Elbirn, you've been really helpful a lot lately and I would really give you town points for that, however, I don't really trust your slot. Maybe because it was a ZZZX slot.
Raya, I know that I've been scumreading you so hard Day 2, but honestly, I am really townreading you at this point and since when you gave that ThinkBig case. I still don't trust you though and I would be really frustrated if you really turned out scum this game, but I would assume that you're town here.
So that leaves "me", whom I know is town. If I were scum, this isn't the LyLo I would go for, instead, I would've killed Raya since I think that she can convince Elbirn/Itle's slot that I'm scum, she can also be a threat to me, and I want to get rid of her since Day 2, but she wasn't the one who was killed last night, so I don't really agree with the reason that this is the LyLo I want.
Sure that Flog's slot was scum, but I would never EVER really hardclaim as scum like that. Sure, I claimed scum, but not that I would really completely claim that I'm scum. I hardclaimed scum because Flog was insulting, frustrating, and manipulating as fuck, and I feel really defeated to the point that I just want out of this game, but I still tried my best to stay on this game. I've been really unhelpful with a lot of the games I joined in, and I don't really want that to be my meta, but that's just how I play.
Bussing is also not on my playstyle if I am gonna be scum, so if I were scum with Flog, then I wouldn't be able to bus and create a case against him given that I can't respond to pressure and I don't really give a case that much against a person.
Sorry if I've been unhelpful on this game and some events I may not remember since a lot had happened, so I'll try to re-read my ISO. I'm really lazy af.
Soooooooooo to be clear, I want to lynch Elbirn rather than Raya. Still hesitant on this, but this is the one I want to go for.
