Mini 1945 | 13 Reasons Why ► — Game Over

[WhyMafia]

hi hi

wow trying not to get on anyone's bad side?????
Obv scum
Carc and LUV sheep me for victory
VOTE: Bins

[WhyMafia]

vote: penguin_alien

hey you!

You should sheep me too

[WhyMafia]

I hard claim masons with LUV
Aint that right LUV

[WhyMafia]

We're best friends and Keyen noticed

[WhyMafia]

Did I scare everyone away ;-;

[WhyMafia]

Robb you wound me with such grievous accusations! Never to fear, as I am confirmed town

[WhyMafia]

You aren't comfirmed town

You seem quite jealous

[WhyMafia]

I also I claiming town potato ,,,,, I cant claim if I am mashed or loaded though

I counterclaim get rekt sucker
VOTE: TFL

[WhyMafia]

You aren't comfirmed town

You seem quite jealous

Jealous of what exactly?

I haven't seen mod say you are confirmed town

See I'm so blatantly town the mod didn't think it would be necessary
Just ask LUV

[WhyMafia]

Wow RuDe

[WhyMafia]

Noted for le future

[WhyMafia]

What's the back history?

[WhyMafia]

Whymafia is prob town cause when I think he's scum he ends up being town

!???

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Carcalilly

serious vote

whemestar why

I wanna keep reason to myself for a bit

I don't like this

[WhyMafia]

@Robb how does me fake claiming and persisting with it for the first 12 hours of the game confuse the crap out of you. I felt with this player group, there'd be a lot of shit posting, so I wanted to get out of RVS ASAP
IDC if you believe my claim or not. Regardless, my mission worked and we aren't mindlessly shitposting

[WhyMafia]

i'm sorry mod, I am just going to bow out now to save everyone from some frustration that will most likely happen. I am prepared to tunnel whymafia until his death just because of his "masons joke" because I legitimately think he is scum for it. Based on my history of games this will ultimately turn this game into a shit show with people arguing with me and insulting me so to prevent that from happening I am going to

request replacement

I'm sorry that I made you replace out Robb :/

[WhyMafia]

Mm, something I was thinking about: we should make sure people leave planned list orders in the thread before night phase/pre-any hammers. Less important maybe in early phases, but if we have people with PR info dying later we want to know who they planned to pass stuff on to and who isn't choosing to share. Scum could have a way to interfere with the tape passing mechanic, but it's worth a shot.

Pros/cons?

Feel like it would be hard to organize

i agree, but it's something we should try to do. i dont mind being first on the list so i know its being passed down.

My point was more that people can leave their own planned list orders, not that we all have to agree on the same list order for everyone. Preferably spoiler-tagged so as not to clutter the thread, but details. It's not foolproof, as scum could have a way to intercept tapes or pre-empt the order in another fashion, but it gives us info.

That's fair. It holds people accountable.

[WhyMafia]

the reason why its scummy is just because its just an easy way to look like youre comfortable when ur actually scared


right whymafia?

VOTE: whymafia

I'm confused. How is this serious. Your reasoning is something that I cannot argue with as it's basically solely based on your opinion rather than even tone. Additionally this seems lazy because you're basically vote parking for no good reason

[WhyMafia]

I'm happy with lynching bins

[WhyMafia]

I'm happy with lynching bins

im not...

why not

@carc can you answer this

[WhyMafia]

We're not going anywhere
Let's get the ball moving vroom vroom
VOTE: TFL
On top of what Gerry said, I'm getting flashbacks to one of his scum games that I've played with him

[WhyMafia]

nahhhhhhhhhh

What would you rather have us do? Just sit around and wait? This is good for scum.

[WhyMafia]

so a naked vote based on nothing. Do not not know what to think. Can you explain why I am scum

you took that claim way to serious when it was obviously just a joke. you are forcing yourself to look like you're doing something, when you're doing nothing.

How does is make TFL scummy for weird logic? He's scummy because he tried to be concerned over his image with busywork

[WhyMafia]

i used to do the "i can read my boyfriend super well thing" as scum and its just meh

This is why you scum read chick? What make sure you think it can't come from town?

[WhyMafia]

People who Town read bins. Please explain

[WhyMafia]

Pssst

Read your ISO

Start playing

ive done more in four posts than just about everyone except penguin

Completely disagree, but gut reading this as town. I don't think scum would say his

[WhyMafia]

First Off

Unvote

The random vote stage is over so

@ Penguin:To be fair I tend not to really read posts at times...The bad news is that I do this as town and as scum but less as scum as I am more careful as scum. Still the point being it doesnt really indicate my
alliance either way

@Why: is this a gut feeling or is there something specific about my play that pinging your scumdar

It's reminding me of the mini Normal I played with you

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Alban

Because Desp was talking about he people not voting, and I don't really have any strong reads right now.

Do you have any light reads? The fact that you said strong reads indicates that you have reads. Why aren't you questioning people to build on those light reads? Voting an inactive slot doesn't get you into any issues. Finally, something feels off about you
VOTE: Boon
Serious vote

[WhyMafia]

I hope Boon doesn't tunnel me for 50 pages

[WhyMafia]

Boon's slot is town, Why.

was he the one who replaced robb

[WhyMafia]

oh fuckery. I really don't have time for a 1 v 1. Anways, I got the ball moving whoooo

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Alban

Because Desp was talking about he people not voting, and I don't really have any strong reads right now.

Do you have any light reads? The fact that you said strong reads indicates that you have reads. Why aren't you questioning people to build on those light reads? Voting an inactive slot doesn't get you into any issues. Finally, something feels off about you
VOTE: Boon
Serious vote

Yeah, course I have light reads.

So you're stating that as scum, I'm afraid of getting into issues.

You should know by now, I actively avoid early game and jump in mid-late Day 1 or until scum tunnels onto me.

I've played a few games with you Boon. I hate using meta, but what you're saying is wrong. In the mini normal I played with you and TFL, you and Tywin tunneled each other within like the first days of day 1. In the micro game you got the ball moving with a mass claim. How come you completely avoided my accusation?

[WhyMafia]

By the way, Why is probably scum hoping I tunnel him and we come off as TvT, and then it gives him an excuse to stay on me because we get into a deep 1v1 where circular reasoning comes across, and there'd be really no way to push either side. So I'll avoid that, and just catch him out eventually.

The hell? You havent even answered my accusation. Why am I not allowed to question you?

[WhyMafia]

I hope Boon doesn't tunnel me for 50 pages

Like, no town goes after me like that for those reasons and then states "I hope Boon doesn't tunnel for 50 pages".

If I was truly scum to him, it wouldn't have mattered if I tunneled.

????? I said that because I'm busy IRL and can't be bothered with tunnels. Check my site activity and my requests for replacements in 2 games ...
You're just trying to throw things to overwhelm me. Gtfo

[WhyMafia]

oh fuckery. I really don't have time for a 1 v 1. Anways, I got the ball moving whoooo

Aight, solid. Keeping my vote where it is, and I'll be back in a couple days.

Way to not contribute to the gamestate.

[WhyMafia]

Yeah, sure, sometimes. But go check most of the time. I get voted a lot early game because I don't play.

But you said I should already know your meta? And why should your meta matter when I have explicit counter examples?

[WhyMafia]

Not ready to make a grand entrance yet.

If you were town, you'd want to though considering we're going nowhere

[WhyMafia]

Not ready to make a grand entrance yet.

If you were town, you'd want to though considering we're going nowhere

Yeah, probably. I tend not to follow the status quo.

So you want to be anti-town? What does being pro-town have to do with following the status quo
You're misrepping everything I say

[WhyMafia]

ANd to be fair, on the meta thing, I didn't know how early I started in Dier's game. I generally wait until something brings me into the game, and Turin that game just did it early.

I thought I was scum? Why are you still justifying your meta read when I should be scum for not knowing better?

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: TFL

[WhyMafia]

Yeah I don't like wheme this game at all

[WhyMafia]

Gerrys Vote is weak as anything......
he not even saying I am lurking which a little bit more scummy than what he gave as a reason to vote for me

Why vote is down right terrible

Right now if I die I hope that I can kill either Why or Gerry too. I need to double check exactly my ability works

Vote Why- Right now it seems he jumping on the easy lynch which is me and Boon. Doesnt matter if Boon is scum also since if thats the case Why could just be bussing. I think that Boon is prob town but its too soon to make that assumption. Think Why is trying to
get an easy lynch for the scum.

So what if it is an "easy" lynch? I believe you are scum, why should I cower away? And that soft vengeful was really bad. Unless you're claiming day vig, which in that case, don't do it cause I'm conf town

[WhyMafia]

Willing to vote wheme/TFL

[WhyMafia]

I also don't like TFL's attempt to intimidate me

[WhyMafia]

The games where I've played with town!Wheme, he was very certain and persistent with his reads

[WhyMafia]

I like Chick's last
VOTE: Bins
Boon slot is town

[WhyMafia]

One of the people stating 'boon is town' is scum.

The way Rob replaced out makes your slot town

[WhyMafia]

And Bins is town.

How so?

[WhyMafia]

Whymafia what are your opinions?

You're null to me. But I can see why people would want to vote you. I don't think you should be today's lynch though

[WhyMafia]

Why aren't you voting me TFL? Why aren't you giving me anything to work with? You aren't allowing me to counter your read if it's just a claim of opportunism. I mean your earlier posting gave me scum vibes from Dierfire's game

[WhyMafia]

Thought I said popular vote but knowing my brain I did say easy. Anyways I dont think scum is pushing hard for a lynch. Why should they, they can just jump on a pop wagon and get a mislynch. Maybe
I am wrong..... prob am

Doesn't this apply to yourself then TFL?

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: TFL

[WhyMafia]

Completely missed the boon IC claim lol

[WhyMafia]

Completely missed the boon IC claim lol

wink wink

Feels weird considering last time we had a role similar to that you wanted it to remain hidden. You better confirm it tomorrow

[WhyMafia]

Completely missed the boon IC claim lol

wink wink

FeelsU weird considering last time we had a role similar to that you wanted it to remain hidden. You better confirm it tomorrow

If it was fake, why do you think I would fake claim that considering I knew you were here in this game?

I mean that's riddled with WIFOM. Again, I'm slightly incredulous, but I'll take your word

[WhyMafia]

I'm down for LUV...and maybe Why. His posting about the ic claim and me in a neighborhood while knowing how I am seems like he's setting discredits up on me.

Why on earth would it matter if I'm "discrediting" you if you're confirmed town tomorrow?

[WhyMafia]

I'm down for LUV...and maybe Why. His posting about the ic claim and me in a neighborhood while knowing how I am seems like he's setting discredits up on me.

Why on earth would it matter if I'm "discrediting" you if you're confirmed town tomorrow?

why would I want to confirm it completely tomorrow instead of WIFOM the mafia longer?

But why would it matter as long as you're confirmable?

[WhyMafia]

That's not the point. Why are you being obtuse on purpose?

[WhyMafia]

Yes I do. But I have no idea of what your argument of "he's trying to discredit me" is even referring to. It shouldn't matter.

[WhyMafia]

That's not the point. Why are you being obtuse on purpose?

I'm more acute.

I think i'm right

*pssst geometry teachers out there, are you proud*

[WhyMafia]

And what's your case on LUV. He's town

[WhyMafia]

Why don't you SR TFL?

[WhyMafia]

@TFL who do your town read

[WhyMafia]

Yes I do. But I have no idea of what your argument of "he's trying to discredit me" is even referring to. It shouldn't matter.

Theoretically speaking, you are correct. It shouldn't matter if I'm confirmable. What happens if I'm town and not actually confirmable, a situation that you very well would be aware of being a possibility. I'm not saying that's what's happening, but generally speaking, that is what's coming up. You aren't wrong with the base game, but the expansion dlc does in fact change things up.

I'm still confused. Why shouldn't I post what comes to mind?

[WhyMafia]

Why is town.

Means a lot coming from scum.

I've explained my case for the most part on LUV, Why.

[WhyMafia]

Alright, I'm more confident than ever now that at least one of them are scum. Yeah, wheme's probs town.

Why'd you abandon your wheme Sr?

[WhyMafia]

lol, Why, Hebi, and Alban scum team.

[WhyMafia]

@hebi what's your read on TFL

[WhyMafia]

My perceptions of him is that he seemed odd early on, I liked his call out of deperado's vote there. Though I don't really like that he let other people speak for him before on the sarcasm front, though that might be discoloring my view of his actual play.

How so? Sure that vote was bad, but is calling someone out for a bad vote worth being Town read for?

[WhyMafia]

Gerry can you summarize your case

[WhyMafia]

Voting carc at this point is illogical lmfao

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: TFL

[WhyMafia]

Don’t get Fuzzy at all.

As in you don't get his slot in general, or you don't get why he's scum read

[WhyMafia]

Can someone reiterate why Bins is scum

[WhyMafia]

I don't really know what to say. Like I get what the case is, but my gut is telling me this is town.

[WhyMafia]

@penguin
How is this my fault? I've tried engaging people, it's just that this game is blah

I've given my stances: I didn't think carcalilly was scum. I don't think Bins is scum. Wheme/TFL are likely scum.

[WhyMafia]

TFL why should we lynch Desp over Bins

[WhyMafia]

why?

Was reading back and saw this
I already answered before you made this: gut

[WhyMafia]

BTw way it seems like Desp is setting up a Bins lynch tomorrow,,,,, Knowing i will flip town. Maybe I am wrong. Must admit i am not thinking straight atm.....

A) How is he setting up a lynch. Is there something wrong with giving his thoughts when prompted? I personally agree with him.

[WhyMafia]

Edit,,,,,,,

I put out a whole case why I am town and Desp totally ignores it, I may or may not be a good case( I leave that up to the jury )

So far his reason for voting for me is bc of my Lilly lynch response...which i gave reason why it wasnt scum
and me not refusing to vote Bins...... Not like town my not vote for somebody. He saying I am scum buddy with Bins is bc I am not voting Bins is just terrible. This does not surprise me bc all his votes on people are bad/

BTW I never said I was not going to vote Bins...just I needed to look at the case first ....... His accusation of me not voting Bins is very misleading

can we please burn this with Fire

I am not moving my vote....... amybe I am just being a stubborn jerk but I cant see anything town leaning coming from Desp actions

Then you're absolving yourself from joining any wagons. I think you know that Desp wagon won't pick up unless you really step up your casing. Have you looked at the Bins case yet?

[WhyMafia]

Chick who did you pass the tape to?

[WhyMafia]

and the wagon not backing off is bad

How is it "bad"

[WhyMafia]

Can you work on explaining what's towny on TFL

[WhyMafia]

Re-read Hebi
Willing to vote there
VOTE: Hebi

[WhyMafia]

I did not receive the tape

[WhyMafia]

Gerry who'd you give it to

[WhyMafia]

I think there is maf for sure in whymafia and LUV because i see no other reason for maf to hold onto the tape.

Newsflash: Maybe scum doesn't want to pass it on because more info to town helps town?

[WhyMafia]

you only have the option to "pass to the next person or keep it" i said pass to the next. it's boons list he would have made.

Oh. Then why'd have LUV or I gotten it if we're his scum reads ...

[WhyMafia]

That doesn't make sense

[WhyMafia]

not just you, i'm saying that i havent seen anyone really talk about it but me. also. if its helping town wouldnt that mean the reads are accurate?

No? Any information that's given from a confirmed town may not be accurate, but it helps town as we known he doesn't have a motive to lie.

[WhyMafia]

change it back, new meta is cancer, too much jade druid.

In all seriousness, all town fakeclaiming does is give town even less of a clue as to whats going on when town is desperately trying for information.

I was just reading Hebi's ISO .... anyone else play HS xd

[WhyMafia]

I don't like any of Hebi's votes

[WhyMafia]

i guess that's true, i figured i should out it anyway

i guess that's true, i figured i should out it anyway

No it's fair, but it's a bs reason to scum read LUV and I, especially when you haven't been pressuring us at all.

[WhyMafia]

IDK how to explain it, but reading Gerry's posts makes me think they're forced

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Boonskies

I feel good about this vote.

I think you'll find I'm hard to lynch.

VOTE: Carca

Blah sure, don't really feel like being yelled at how town carca is again though.

I'm not even that committed to my vote, yet

Just need to pressure some slot, and other people jumped on so I guess the pressure resides there for now..

Carcalilly was my closest thing to a serious vote.

Want to hear from replacement before I go further into an analysis.

This doesn't make sense to me

for the second time, sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet, please stop trying to use unmarked sarcasm.

I'd vote bins.

VOTE: fuzzylogic

I agree with gerry here tbqh.

If this does flip scum though, there are several people I would like to look at.

Goes to TFL when the wagon picked up a lot of steam

VOTE: Boonskies

I feel good about this vote.

Seems opportunistic. He abandoned 2 of his scum reads for someone who looked like they potentially might gain some votes

I think you'll find I'm hard to lynch.

Says this, which makes me scratch my head. I don't see this cockiness anywhere previously, seems like a mixture of intimidation + I know my scum buddies?

VOTE: Carca

Blah sure, don't really feel like being yelled at how town carca is again though.

Pre-Emptively defensive

Says she's a better Day 2 player, switches between Bins & TFL as the wind flows

[WhyMafia]

She hasn't given any stances. Just drifts

[WhyMafia]

@Chick why not Hebi

[WhyMafia]

Why do you think scum Gerry would want to flash lynch Heb when I am an easy lynch bait . The wagon stalled but it was not dead so asking to flash lynch Heb doesnt make sense,

Every wagon is viable. He can easily shift back to you once one or two people say they don't wanna vote her

[WhyMafia]

Just noticed my quote wall:
The first 3 quotes are repeated. Ignore the first 3 quotes

[WhyMafia]

IDK how to explain it, but reading Gerry's posts makes me think they're forced

IDK maybe you should try

I'm not interested in you right now. I doubt I can form a coalition. Hebi is much more realistic

[WhyMafia]

IDK how to explain it, but reading Gerry's posts makes me think they're forced

IDK maybe you should try

I'm not interested in you right now. I doubt I can form a coalition. Hebi is much more realistic

so you actually scumread me?

Not to as much of an extent as my other reads, but yes
Why?

[WhyMafia]

IDK how to explain it, but reading Gerry's posts makes me think they're forced

IDK maybe you should try

I'm not interested in you right now. I doubt I can form a coalition. Hebi is much more realistic

so you actually scumread me?

Not to as much of an extent as my other reads, but yes
Why?

idk, just trying to get a read from you. besides alban/titus slot i feel you are the one who i havent interacted with enough

Fair enough.

[WhyMafia]

Can we lynch Wheme or force him to read

Tomorrow

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: bins

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Desp

[WhyMafia]

Desperado why did you abandon your tunnel for 2 whole game days. You're still voting TFL, but you haven't tried sorting him at all. You're just being lazy. But that's not scum indicative you say! Then why in your 2 potential scum teams, TFL is not included? It looks like you cannot formulate reads because you already know who is scum

[WhyMafia]

Flash wagon this or you all are scum claiming

[WhyMafia]

His weird interactions with Bins looks bad.

[WhyMafia]

I think Bins/Desp are two scum members

[WhyMafia]

I re-evalutated by Bins read after seeing so many people scum read him.

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Bins
@Desp you can be town if you vote Bins

[WhyMafia]

@Penguin please drop a vote on someone

[WhyMafia]

@WhemeStar get off your vanity wagon and vote. LUV isn't happening in any circumstance today

[WhyMafia]

Holy fuck that wagon is horrible

[WhyMafia]

You have null scum reads, and then you vote LUV who was a newish scum reads
Those other scum reads are somewhat viable, yet you go with LUV. I feel like you're trying to incriminate Wheme after you flip red lol

[WhyMafia]

I'm never voting LUV. I'm not necessarily saying Wheme is scum, but the fact that you jumped on, then joined, and are now saying you'll switch back pings me

[WhyMafia]

Ooo time to get ze popcorn

[WhyMafia]

Informal Gladiate LUV & Bins

[WhyMafia]

@Bins why is vote parking scum indicative. Why isn't Desp scum for doing the same thing?

[WhyMafia]

also why the irrationally strong townread on luv lol

Because there are far, far, scummier players and LUV hasn't really done anything to make him scum

[WhyMafia]

im antsy
I want BLOOD
TIME TO ROPE BINS CHOO CHOO

[WhyMafia]

page top?

[WhyMafia]

LUV cause he's scum

[WhyMafia]

Because Bins is scummier & less people scum read Hebi

[WhyMafia]

looked over the VC
Desp accuses me of being scum buddies with Bins........He than pretty much says that if I was town I would vote Bins. He also says he will look at Bins if I flip town,,,,,,,
He had not once voted Bins even when my wagon fell apart and Bin was a good second option since he thought we were both scum......Kinda seems like he actively avoiding voting Bins,,,,,, This is fine if he had been town reading him but he said we were scum buddies
than he total changed his reads,,,,, no real reason,,,,,,because potato , Weird that Desp scum reads includes two people who are getting tractions to be lynched and one who only posted a few times

There something off about Desp

^^
Desp and bins are scum buddies

[WhyMafia]

Desperado why did you abandon your tunnel for 2 whole game days. You're still voting TFL, but you haven't tried sorting him at all. You're just being lazy. But that's not scum indicative you say! Then why in your 2 potential scum teams, TFL is not included? It looks like you cannot formulate reads because you already know who is scum

orrrrrrr

my reads are evolving

based on game events and stuff like that

you know, typical mafia stuff

???

But you didn't show me how your reads are evolving?? You went from giving reasons on TFL for two days to:
eh i can vote this guy
eh i can vote that guy
eh these 3 are my scum team even though i havent mentioned them once

typical mafia stuff i guess

[WhyMafia]

@Bins why is vote parking scum indicative. Why isn't Desp scum for doing the same thing?

calling what i was doing vote parking after the fact is kind of weird

considering you'd been doing the exact same thing

@fuzzy something is "off" because i'm actually game solving. maybe you should take notes or something? luv and why mafia just overplayed their hand. they're scum, with hebi. you and bins are town. vote luv with me.

unvote
vote: luv

Unlike you I'm actually trying to question people and have a thought process

[WhyMafia]

If that is true than you can explain why you are scum reading Titus , Luv and Hebi
why your read on me changed

Either you are terrible town ( which is possible) or scum
Right now I am leaning toward the latter,

I want to lynch Desp first but I am willing to lynch Bin

unvote

^^

[WhyMafia]

Lemme get this straight ... you abandoned your prior scum reads .... because you disagreed with someone's setup spec?

[WhyMafia]

then whymafia came in and lost his shit and voted me and started reframing my pushes on you as vote parking even tho when you ctrl+f "Fuzzy" in keyen's iso, his name is literally next to yours voting you the entire game. his response to this development looks a lot like a luv scumbuddy who doesn't like that i'm not /in on the mislynch he's been pushing all game. again, this is you fuzzy. this means you're town.

I've been branching out for a while lmao. I realized I was tunneling TFL, calmed down, then made new analysis's. I scum read Hebi, then Gerry, then I read you and went HOLY FUCK THIS IS SCUM

[WhyMafia]

It makes no sense to make completely new reads based off opinionated statements. @Desp what's scummy on setup spec??

[WhyMafia]

its neither desp or bins and if you think we'd both be obvious about it like this ur being silly

You stole my page top

[WhyMafia]

its neither desp or bins and if you think we'd both be obvious about it like this ur being silly

Seriously though:

So you're admitting you're "obvious scum?"

[WhyMafia]

Setup speculation is NAI. Balance is subjective and can differ from person to person. Scum reading me for being wary of town power without knowing what I know (in this case my role) is shit.

no, what's shit is pretending like assessing town power is even possible when we don't have a scumflip yet

and then using that bullshit assessment to push a lynch on the only two people who have even claimed and aren't dead

so what if someone claims? I just modded a mini normal where a scum claimed a vigilante, and lasted 2 extra game days. It's stupid to not consider balance/probability of the role existing.

[WhyMafia]

no, i didnt abandon anything

i had begun to consider the possibility that fuzzy and bins were both town a while ago, when the gamestate stalled

then luv tried to string lynches on them by promoting SCUMMY setup spec

get it now?

But how am I supposed to know when you considered a new possibility? Show me where -

Additionally, what's SCUMMY about his setup spec

[WhyMafia]

i admit desp has said he would rather not vote me and i would not vote him
we arent partners and the association here is bad

Why do you care if there are association tells right now? To me it seems like you're being defensive over something minor

[WhyMafia]

whymafia i think youre town but the fact LUV hasnt done anything is the reason hes scum

So why can't you vote Alban slot?

[WhyMafia]

Or Wheme slot?

[WhyMafia]

But you said it was cause of effort? If LUV didn't put too much effort, how does that give more info? What info will be gained?

[WhyMafia]

Do you know what'll be sad
If scum team is Penguin/Wheme/Titus

[WhyMafia]

Why TF are we
A) Role fishing
B) Calling people scum over SETUP SPEC

[WhyMafia]

Pedit - the fact desp/me are the choices is bad so ya im concerned you arent considering luv

I could have a hypothetical invest result on him, or be hypothetical masons with him? Or I'm leading him on to see how he plays to trap him as scum?

[WhyMafia]

Why TF are we
A) Role fishing
B) Calling people scum over SETUP SPEC

setup spec that is based in nothing and was being used to push the lynch on bins/tfl because town has too much power

if you dont get it that's fine man, but just stop reducing the nuance.

How am I reducing the nuance? Can bad setup spec not come from bad town? I didn't see him hard pushing them due to roles

[WhyMafia]

Why do we believe town have a roleblocker, reflector, and a neighborizer?

Insane amount of protection and a neighborizer is insane if town can find each other.

@fuzzy

these two posts right here

where luv says you and bins and chick cant all be town

if luv is scum he knows that if this succeeds and bins is lynched and flips town he can leverage that with the existing push on you to mislynch you tomorrow

get it??????????

But how is he hard pushing for a lynch? I doubt people are just gonna mindlessly sheep LUV based on that. People are still going to discuss merits of that opinion.

Disagreement is not equal to scum

[WhyMafia]

and the reason it's scummy is because he's speccing that town has too much power in a role madness game where the town power that has been flipped/claimed is either gated or limited for the most part and we don't have a scumflip yet to even begin assessing scum power, let alone whether town power is too heavy

But isn't there a certain limit to town power that is considered reasonable?

[WhyMafia]

I think this was the most content we had in days XD

[WhyMafia]

Hard claim masons with LUV

[WhyMafia]

Every person voting him needs to give valid fucking reasons

[WhyMafia]

Cause this wagon was ridiculous. It emerged because LUV didn't do much & had setup speculation???

[WhyMafia]

Penguin, Chick, you all better start justifying your votes. Or switch to Desp/Bins

[WhyMafia]

I refuse to believe nobody picked up on softs

[WhyMafia]

We're not gonna waste time discussing the merits of a LUV lynch. For all intents and purposes, LUV and I are confirmed town.

[WhyMafia]

Everyone who scum read LUV over Desp needs to explain in their next post or else heads will roll

[WhyMafia]

-___- Desp still seems more logical than most

What makes him logical

[WhyMafia]

UNVOTE:

I was voting because I didn't have a good town read on LUV, which concerns me.

VOTE: Bins

But what was scummier about him over Desp?

[WhyMafia]

@Chick @Desp each of you tell me why we should lynch the other over you

[WhyMafia]

I mean it really wasn't much of a soft, more of a outright claim.

Then why'd you still want to vote LUV?

[WhyMafia]

I mean it really wasn't much of a soft, more of a outright claim.

Then why'd you still want to vote LUV?

I meant in RVS

Well yeah. But the fact that I hard defended LUV for no good reason, and the fact that I even said we may be potential masons didn't ring any bells?

[WhyMafia]

I don't really SR Desp. I'd say he's more null. I have a hard time reading him. So for me to make an argument as to why you should lynch him over me right now would be purely survivalistic.

You have my claim. You have my actions, that would make no sense as scum.

I'm saying to argue against Bins

[WhyMafia]

tbh I'd rather lynch Hebi than Chick given everything else if that matters
my gut can be wrong and they can also be together~

But I'm assuming Chick was your 2nd choice. Explain why if you were in a hypothetical 1 v 1, why she'd be worth lynching over you

[WhyMafia]

@Chick @Desp each of you tell me why we should lynch the other over you

I don't really SR Desp. I'd say he's more null. I have a hard time reading him. So for me to make an argument as to why you should lynch him over me right now would be purely survivalistic.

You have my claim. You have my actions, that would make no sense as scum.

I'm saying to argue against Bins

Well, it could have been worded better.

My point still stands though. If you're scum reading me at this point, I don't know what to tell you.

Oh that was a typo. My mistake. But the point still stands. Hypothetically I'm voting between you and Bins. Why should I pick Bins over you. You scum read him, so you have to have some reasons ..

[WhyMafia]

...there's a recruitable neighborhood that very likely started with two town players; a town investigative that had a cop, gunsmith, tracker, and a follower; and a mason pair. So...basically you're expecting us to believe that there are five out of ten town roles that are nearly 100% confirmable?

I'm not buying it.

So I'm scum and stuck my next out in page 1, and hard defended my buddy? We were planning to claim tomorrow. We're not gonna waste time arguing the merits of my claim/LUV's lynch this game phase.

[WhyMafia]

And my vote isn't moving.

...
.......
..............

[WhyMafia]

@Penguin why is LUV scum over Chick?

[WhyMafia]

why she'd be worth lynching over you

"worth" lynching?

This isn't a matter of worth. She's just been scummy (this was explained D1, my reasons haven't changed in that sense) + now she has a pretty scummy role. The whole NK thing is still bugging me because she wouldn't have shot Boon, so that's my main reason for saying Hebi definitely dies first. My reads are gut based because we don't have a flip yet.


pedit - the plot thickens.

That's fair. I await Chick's reasons

[WhyMafia]

I am hated.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and just say this probably doesn’t come from scum.

I don’t think competent scum kill Boon either so that should make want to take Penguin out of the pool.

This leaves for me with Bins, Chick, Gerry, and everyone I didn’t name above that’s on my wagon.

See...town LUV considers me a strong player. Town LUV considers me competent scum.

So you're saying you don't believe our claim anymore?

[WhyMafia]

Chick just re-tell me why I should vote Bins lol

[WhyMafia]

Bins

penguin_alien

WhemeStar

Titus
Lil Uzi Vert
WhyMafia

hebichan

TheFuzzyLogic

gerryoat

Desperado
Chickadee

[WhyMafia]

People still SR you, you were at L1 at one point today. I'm not really sure why you think it couldn't happen

I changed my mind on TFL

[WhyMafia]

Bins

penguin_alien

WhemeStar

Titus
Lil Uzi Vert
WhyMafia

hebichan

TheFuzzyLogic

gerryoat

Desperado
Chickadee

que?? didn't you just say you SR me? Why the sudden change?

I realized you don't hold a candle to the other 4 that I scum read

[WhyMafia]

Ok so this game has gone off rail........

I dont believe Why claim...I think its likely nonsense .... As far as I can tell Luv never said if the claim is true or not
I think we need to eliminate any set up speculations / Its not helping please stop

I need time to think....Reread,

It's not ...

[WhyMafia]

just realized fuzzys role would be a good scum role counter to mine


maybe i am horribly wrong
but why would scum fuzzy pick to scumread me when hes my biggest townread

Why does it matter if you Town read him?

[WhyMafia]

Both of you should view me and Why as confirmed scum if you don't buy the claim but you're choosing to vote elsewhere.

^^
@desp
If you truly think we're lying, then you have caught 2/3 scum. The fact that you aren't trying your hardest to get us lynched, and then are just discrediting us, makes no sense. Statistically you a huge chance of mis-lynching if you think LUV and I are scum. So why are you willing to take those odds?
VOTE: desp
I'll switch back if Desp doesn't gain traction. I'm more confident in desp than bins

[WhyMafia]

From a town POV, you wouldn't be discrediting a mason pair as scum, but not pushing for their lynch. It makes no sense as it severely restricts if you might hit scum

[WhyMafia]

@luv can you explain what's been happening today then? why have you and whymafia been splitting your votes on bins and tfl while we all dicked around and nothing happened?

Because
A) We have barely talked
B) I disagreed with his reads. Now our reads are slightly more aligned

[WhyMafia]

If you think we are scum fake claiming, vote us.

The way I see it, you and Bins don’t have a leg to stand on. Both of you were on the Lily wagon. Both of you have played scummy all game.

there is nothing scummy about being on the Lilly wagon

I'll take your blanket statement to mean you don't have another actual reason to think I'm scum

Why not?

[WhyMafia]

Desp is saying it's ok to be on a mis lynch flash wagon, but scummy to be inactive????

[WhyMafia]

Oh my god this day is never going to end. Why, stop trying to get another wagon going. Switch back.

We have 2 days. I'll move back if it doesn't pick up. What do you think is wrong about me switching my vote?

[WhyMafia]

Bins was at L-1 now he's L-2
If someone puts him at L-1, I'll hammer within 24 hours

[WhyMafia]

I haven't really seen you explain why we can't lynch Desp today. Is it because of the prospects of shifting a wagon? Or do you scum read bins more. If so, what's is holding you back on Desp

[WhyMafia]

That .... doesn't make sense. You're saying there's a 4 man scum team? I'm going with wat I'm more confident in. TFL wa more confident here as well.

[WhyMafia]

mod can we get a deadline extension is Titus slot needs replacement?

[WhyMafia]

If*

[WhyMafia]

Bins
why is Desp town< what about him makes him scum

Will yiu and LUV switch to desp

[WhyMafia]

That .... doesn't make sense. You're saying there's a 4 man scum team? I'm going with wat I'm more confident in. TFL wa more confident here as well.

Never said that. In fact, its open information that it's a 3 person scum team.

What makes you think i was saying that? The only way you could figure is if you think that I don't believe the mason claim to be town. And I'm currently not voting there, despite some interest among other town.

"Stop trying to save bins"

[WhyMafia]

whymafia do you not SR bins anymore?

I do. I'm just far, far, more certain on desp

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: bins

[WhyMafia]

Hebi can you link me to a town and scum game of yours?

[WhyMafia]

Don't say whether it applies in LYLO until LYLO though. If you end up being hated at LYLO, doesn't it mean scum auto-win?

[WhyMafia]

LUV and yours truly

[WhyMafia]

not sure what you mean by this...i am trying to get you lynched. in order to do that i need explore your thought process and get other people to see what i see.

i'm voting hebi because that wagon has support, i think hebi is scum, and luv's defense of hebi over bins or myself is completely over the top.

i also invite everyone to ISO whymafia, ctrl+f "desp" and track his progression on me.

But if you believe LUV and I to be scum, you'd be doing everything you can to get us lynched. Instead, you just sought to discredit the masonry and the posts we make. We're an important town utility, and the fact that you're destroying it, as well as your lynch on Carc, makes me think you're way too anti-town to be town

[WhyMafia]

Why and LUV, not crumbing but asking as a hypothetical...if the mod suddenly revealed Bins as town, who is your next choice?

Instantly Desp
I prefer Desp

[WhyMafia]

We have day chat. I am unsure what you're asking. I scum read TFL for a long time. Then I took a step back and reevaluated. I now town read TFL

[WhyMafia]

But if you believe LUV and I to be scum, you'd be doing everything you can to get us lynched. Instead, you just sought to discredit the masonry and the posts we make. We're an important town utility, and the fact that you're destroying it, as well as your lynch on Carc, makes me think you're way too anti-town to be town

i'm not "destroying it," i'm questioning it because your actions don't track with your claim

So you think LUV and I are scum?

[WhyMafia]

LUV and I are entitled to our own reads lmao

[WhyMafia]

The Why/ Luv mason claim is weird...... It came out of nowhere and had no real purpose, Its possible that one is scum and convinced/ manipulated the other in claiming mason. Seen that happen once. A set of mason and set of neighbor seems odd especially if both were town. I dont know quite to make of this.

We set out with the intention of constantly softing from the get-go. If we were S/T we'd have had to pocketed the other extremely early. We're a legit masonry

[WhyMafia]

Who are you somewhat willing to vote

[WhyMafia]

What's your stance on Desperado

[WhyMafia]

Im in no means locked on bins

[WhyMafia]

@mod don't feel bad. The deadline extension is appreciated <3

Titus can you ISO Desp and tell me what you think