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Your face is a disgrace to House Lannister!In post 15, TywinL wrote:
Absolutely!In post 13, Inferno390 wrote:
We sure do love spreading the votes around, don't we?In post 12, TywinL wrote:I was thinking more along the lines of newbie-friendly themed game to me.
VOTE: Raya36
For being the only person here who I have played with in the past.
Tyrion is a disgrace to House Lannister.In post 14, Sunlit Diamond wrote:VOTE: TywinL
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You're on an RVS wagon that you started. Unless you're converting that vote to a serious scum vote (in which case, why?), I'm not following your logic here.In post 26, Inferno390 wrote:Because 1) I explained my thoughts on the situation and I'd like to see what Virjarada has to say before I move any further down that road; 2) because currently I am on a wagon with Acidphoenix and that might provide good scumhunting information once he responds (and acid responds, now that I think about it) 3) Moving my vote all over the place will make scumhunting for me harder; 4) because a wagon with one of the people on it that victim is not that helpful for scumhunting, and 5) if what I say about Vij is logical, that I don't really need to move my vote because everyone else will now at least start seriously considering Vij's actions. That's what needs to happen, not just form a sudden wagon to attack Vij.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Tywin, why are you reading Raya as town?
Inferno: there is a difference, albeit a narrow one, between scummy behavior and anti-town behavior. Is it fair to say that when you said Vij's self-vote was scummy, you actually meant it was anti-town?
Vij: I'm curious about your take on Inferno v Tywin, given the entire thing is based on your guilt or lack thereof.
Acid: Why did you debate over who to vote for in RVS?Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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To explain this since I just realized that difference may exist only in my head. For me, "scummy behavior" comes with an implicit accusation of scum alignment. Anti-town, however, means poor play at odds with town win conditions, and could come from town or scum.In post 65, Sunlit Diamond wrote:Inferno: there is a difference, albeit a narrow one, between scummy behavior and anti-town behavior. Is it fair to say that when you said Vij's self-vote was scummy, you actually meant it was anti-town?
For the record I think Tywin's riding you kind of hard, but your reactions aren't helping your case. Some clarification would help me sort my alignment reads.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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First person on wagon = person who started wagon. Not a lie. Statement of fact.In post 68, Gorny wrote:Re: Sunlit Diamond
I don't agree with what he said in 36, specifically the point about Inferno being on an RVS wagon that he started. If it's RVS and a vote on someone is pure randomness, the wagon forms if and when someone else adds a second vote. In this case, the started of the wagon would then be Acid, for voting me in 17. Had Inferno voted me at some point later on with some reason or a valid scum read, it would be a different story. That said, saying that Inferno started the wagon at this point is a lie and I'm now scum reading Sunlit for it.
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In post 75, Gorny wrote:Not in my eyes.
Clarification, I agree with you on first person starting the wagon, I don't agree with that in an RVS situation.
A difference of opinion does not justify the level of falsehood you accused me of. Why the overreaction?Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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If you mean I'm responding to something you said about me? Yeah, I s'pose so. I don't see any harm in getting clarification.In post 77, Gorny wrote:In post 76, Sunlit Diamond wrote:In post 75, Gorny wrote:Not in my eyes.
Clarification, I agree with you on first person starting the wagon, I don't agree with that in an RVS situation.
A difference of opinion does not justify the level of falsehood you accused me of. Why the overreaction?
One problem with that there post...I'm not overreacting. You are.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Inferno: If you believe that public knowledge of mafia theory renders said theory invalid...why rely on it so heavily?
Tywin, can you clarify what you hoped to gain/what you hoped town would gain from your 'reaction test'? You seem to still be scum-reading Inferno, whereas I am getting super earnest town vibes, so clearly some wires got crossed somewhere, yeah?Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Alternative suggestion: Don't respond to Tywin. Let it sit for a day or so (RL or phase, your choice) and throw wall posts at someone else for a while.In post 102, TywinL wrote:Please don't give me a giant wall.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Oh FFS.
Mod, can you please hide that behind a collapsible thingy, or remove it entirely?
Sorry for multi-post, forgot to preview and make sure I was using the right tags. >_<Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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LyAL applies to players who knowingly tell falsehoods that fuck up town's chances (Fake claims and the like.) with no verifiable reason for doing so, and are subsequently caught in the act. It does not apply to hypothetical scenarios (see newbie 1813 for a hypo-peek strategy entirely based on town players "lying" that will probably make your brain break) or statements of alignment. How could it? They're hypothetical and opinion based.In post 108, Inferno390 wrote:>Inferno laughs because the idea that someone would LIE about a scumread to just try to get info is stupid and calls for a policy lynch On the basis of LyAL, because you were lying about the whole idea that I was scumBipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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You're taking things too far. A piece of meta advice: when you go into an argument with the level of black and white thinking you've displayed so far, you alienate people. This is damaging because it means other players will not want to follow you on your reads. Whether you are scum or town, this makes your chances of helping your team...pretty damn slim.In post 120, Inferno390 wrote:That's an interesting way to look at it. My thinking is that town shouldn't lie, because town (being town) has nothing to lie about. Sure, ton doesn't want to claim power roles often, but that's not lying, it's retaining knowledge. So if someone is lying about things like scumreads , that seems pretty scummy (not anti-town, SCUMMY) to me.
But is that taking things too far?
To shift back to the actual game:
What do you think of Raya?Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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I want curious why you would accuse me it lying over a difference of opinion. Your response did not satisfy me. I have nothing more to say on the subject until I've seen you interact with others more.In post 128, Gorny wrote:Spoiler: Sunlit Diamond & Gorny PostsIn post 79, Gorny wrote:What do you want clarified? I was as clear as can be.
Still no answer huh?Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Inferno:
There are multiple tools on this board to do your own post research with. Please use them.
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That said: VOTE: Vij
Ignoring the fuck out of the self-vote because if inferno goes off again I might actually start screaming, there's the fact that she's done remarkably little actual scumhunting and the reads she has given have been super "safe." I am not a fan and would like to lynch this today.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Because you reacted.In post 198, Inferno390 wrote:
Nonono, not the whole quoting thing. I get that. But why the whle vauge philosophical answer thing? Why not just come out and say it? It was never really necessary.In post 196, Not_Mafia wrote:
I already said, Sunlit even said it tooIn post 194, Inferno390 wrote:Why couldn't you have just restated it again?
Another universal law for you: Just because someone is trolling you does not mean they are scum.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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You're killing me N_M. I am simultaneously really irritated by this entire exchange AND crack up every time you post. Me @ confused.net.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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I'm not against removing disruptive players regardless of alignment, assuming there isn't a better lynch to be made that day. The irony of him jumping all over people for anti-town behavior when his own has been pointed out to him again and again and a-fucking-gain without changing in the slightest is killing me.In post 222, TywinL wrote:Lmao can we lynch Inferno please?
Her town reads are you and inferno, who were at that point the only really active players in the game, and her scumread was Raya, who, given that others in the game hadn't yet made a significant appearance, was easy to target. Other quiet players either had reads that felt natural,, have made some effort to scumhunt, haven't contributed enough for me to read, or aren't as high on my will-lynch pool.In post 225, TywinL wrote:What do you mean by safe reads? How does that compare with the other low activity players?
Would you stop fixating so much on your importance if I did? What are you going to do when a third person starts questioning your logic, waxing poetic, or makes an illogical statement?In post 226, Inferno390 wrote:Why don't we start with explaining why I should be lynched? DO you think I'm scum?
This is why I don't color-code my lists.Um, I am not calling him scum. That's just my order of read from most town to least town.
The point he was making with his quotations was valid and real, and it went right over your head. Can you stop for a second and think about what that might mean for your super logic?I think that Not_Mafia is avoiding any direct question I am sending his way and hiding behind philosophical quotes and song lyrics. That plus the convenient timing of his vote on Vij tips the scale for me.
If everyone played this way, mafia wouldn't be a thing. Plus, the way he phrased it went quite well with the point he was making.IF you have something important to say, you can say it straight, not make everyone have to hunt down you're meaning for your own pleasure.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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I hate myself so much I actually reread this thread.
Inferno I would like to hydra with you at some point. I think playing with someone who can give feedback on your play without the nuance of you trying to sort them (and without stalling the game to do it) would be extremely beneficial. This is a serious proposition, please PM me if interested.
A) Tywin vs Inferno. Is that light at the far end of this tunnel, or just a train?
B) I'm tempted to take Not_Mafia at his word that he's scum. I was amused by the trolling when it was happening, but on a reread...it's just a massive distraction that didn't seem to have any actual purpose beyond getting inferno riled up and wasting time. He may replace Vij as my lynch choice for the day. I'm tired and cranky after wading through all that crap so I'm going to give it a minute and see what he has to say first.
C) I do not understand the scumread on Raya. I read the thread, I ISO'd her, I looked through some of her post history...it's far from anything close to a good meta read, but her behavior seems consistent and I'm town reading pretty hard at this point. Can someone go into better detail with this?
D) Yes Vij, you were reading the people who were active. My problem is that there was no depth to those reads and your posts since have been...luke warm.
E) Acid and gorny are on the lower side of my list as well.
My list green to red right now is something like
Inferno
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Tywin
Acid/Gorny
Not_Mafia / Vijarada
and Godel is null until he gets back.
Also: According to my email I have a shit ton of work piling up and may not be able to post again until tomorrow night.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Tywin:In post 272, TywinL wrote:Option B. Scum and none of his points make sense. Will follow up on that tomorrow when I have more time.
Through door A, you have a no-lynch on day 1.
Through door B, you have to vote for someone other than Inferno.
Given these two options and no others, which would you pick?Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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I still think Vij is scum, but I could compromise vote for Not_Mafia if there's a snowflake's chance in hell of actually stringing him up. See my prior post for reason.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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I am not voting inferno, no.In post 294, TywinL wrote:So no one is going to vote Inferno?
If not, I can do acid. I am not really comfortable lynching outside of these two.
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Godel:
Raya seems town to me so yeah, I need a lot more explanation for why I should shift my read.
My "possible scum" read on acid is based on her less than stellar 155 and [post]157[/i]. However, she's been so completely absent that she may as well be on VLA so I'm not exactly going to stake my inheritance on this read. It's flimsy and I know it's flimsy which is why I'm not voting for her.
My "possible scum" read on Gorny was based on the fact that his reasoning for voting for me was far too strong for the actual scenario, and his behavior up until his very last post did not change my opinion that he's just coasting. His last post I need to consider as it may change my read.
I wish Tywin and Inferno would just stop.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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I don't actually mind the wall posts. The initial ones. The repetitive harping on each other when it's clear that it's doing nothing for game state is what's driving me up the wall.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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This is not a newbie game, and I don't qualify as an IC, but I'm going to pretend for a second that it is and I do.In post 317, Inferno390 wrote:
"Driving me up the wall."In post 316, Sunlit Diamond wrote:I don't actually mind the wall posts. The initial ones. The repetitive harping on each other when it's clear that it's doing nothing for game state is what's driving me up the wall.
But seriously, sorry about those. I intended to play Mafia without the wall posts with I first found this site. I guess it didn't happen like I planned...
I think you may be missing the point, and while there's a chance that's purposeful (read: you're scum), I'm just going to assume it isn't for the sake of sanity.
It's not the wall posts that are the problem. I've been guilty of those and I will be again. Sometimes they're necessary! When I get confident on a good read I go point for point down a player's ISO and rip them apart. I have a decently consistent (if limited) record of being right when I get to that type of read and I'll fight anyone who tells me I can't do it. =P So no, I'll never tell someone "don't wall post."
It's also not the 1v1. Again speaking to personal experience: I've been in 1v1s onsite and offsite that was super useful for sorting later. However, in each game there came a point where I had to ask myself "What am I trying to accomplish, and is it worth stalling the game?" Ultimately I dropped the 1v1 and moved on.
So...in this case, you guys have been going in circles for the entirety of this game. You're accusing each other of doing the same things in different words. You have enough confbias between you to tunnel through the Swiss Alps, and your last few exchanges have been (as far as I can tell) simply regurgitation of prior arguments. Other players have openly expressed that the 1v1 is making them disengage from the game to one degree or another, and it's unlikely that either of you will convince the rest of us to lynch the other during this specific day phase.
It's time to ask yourselves: What is this 1v1 actually accomplishing? Is it worth stalling the game? Then take action accordingly.
If you aren't scum, you're doing a damn good job of doing scum's work for them.
If you are scum, hats off to you for a good show.
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I need to reread. Again. Because the last couple pages are making me question my read on inferno and I need to know if it's frustration or actual scumtells.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Maybe I'm dense, but I can't figure out what this actually means:
Are you saying you haven't done enough to vote in the wagons we have, or you don't think you've done enough to be voted for?In post 334, acidphoenix wrote:VOTE: tywinlbecause I haven't done remotely enough to be in a pool of 2 comfortable lynches in a 2 scum game
Also I notice you managed to indirectly finger Tywin and Gorny as a scum team...by default because you town read the rest...?
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Not really comfortable lynching here anymore. Thinking about Acid, Not Mafia, or Gorny.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Oh. That actually makes sense. I had a feeling it was an issue of my gray matter malfunctioning.In post 370, TywinL wrote:Still waiting to see what Raya says about her reads. In the meantime, we have little over a day left. It seems like more people favor a acid lynch over Inferno, but again, I'm gonna wait to see what Raya says.
I fall back on my original compromise vote. VOTE: N_M . Willing to look at Tywin tomorrow though.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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I have no idea why this quoted Tywin, I was responding to Acid.In post 374, Sunlit Diamond wrote:
Oh. That actually makes sense. I had a feeling it was an issue of my gray matter malfunctioning.In post 370, TywinL wrote:Still waiting to see what Raya says about her reads. In the meantime, we have little over a day left. It seems like more people favor a acid lynch over Inferno, but again, I'm gonna wait to see what Raya says.
I fall back on my original compromise vote. VOTE: N_M . Willing to look at Tywin tomorrow though.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Nah, I'm not going to vote Acid. In fact I'm seriously contemplating voting Tywin, but the thought of validating Inferno's wikivomit gives me hives.
I'm also questioning my townread on Raya.
Maybe I'm just tired and WIFOM'd out.
I'm going to sleep on it and see if that helps me decide.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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I am so sick of the Tywin/Inferno tunnel that at this point I would lynch you both just to make it stop.
I coached Inferno on game play because he's lock-town in my eyes, you're tunneled on him, Not_Mafia was trolling him, and no one else was active enough or experienced enough to give him the guidance necessary to A) avoid lynching a townie and b) not have to deal with that happening again and again for the rest of the game.
This game is designated as newbie-friendly. If I get scumread for actually helping a newbie with play points instead of trolling him for the lols, I'm going to scream.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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And yes. I did question my read on him. For the space of one post. I did my reread, and nothing changed. I saw no specific reason to post just to point that out when there was other stuff going on and my other reads WERE changing.
In my opinion Acid is lynchbait. He's getting scumread and voted for because of inactivity and inconsistent reads. The former is entirely NAI and the latter is also NAI with a sliiiight lean toward town. The fact that he's getting pushed tells me scum is pushing this lynch. I'm not interested in playing along. I was thinking of voting for you, Tywin, because you jumped on that train pretty damn fast and it struck me as odd. However, you have just as much black and white thinking as Inferno in your own way, so I'm gonna let it sit and see what happens tomorrow.
My vote stays where it's at.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Then look harder.In post 411, TywinL wrote:
I can't find it.In post 409, Sunlit Diamond wrote:As for the lynch comment - I've said that once already, only I was talking about Inferno. Why didn't it bother you then?Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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In post 234, Sunlit Diamond wrote:In post 222, TywinL wrote:
Lmao can we lynch Inferno please?
I'm not against removing disruptive players regardless of alignment, assuming there isn't a better lynch to be made that day. The irony of him jumping all over people for anti-town behavior when his own has been pointed out to him again and again and a-fucking-gain without changing in the slightest is killing me.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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^ that's my commentary on him being town, but acting anti-town to the point I would lynch to get rid of the disruption, in case the subtlty is lost on anyone.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Finally: check my first newbie for proof that I will, as town, hammer my own lock town reads if their behavior is disruptive and making it impossible to scum hunt.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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So how exactly is my post about Inferno different from my post about you?In post 418, TywinL wrote:That's different. I dismissed that because I knew you would never vote Inferno following that logic because from your POV, there should be better lynches for you.
P-Edit: Self meta huh?
A) I said I would lynch to remove disruption.
B) I reiterated that my vote remained where it was. Aka: Better place to lynch.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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It's not against win con when doing it is the only conceivable way for conversation to move on from a dead end.
I posted the IC-style commentary knowing I would get accused of white knighting eventually. The benefits of offering the advice out weighed the cons of a game where half the players wouldn't engage. I did it specifically to avoid (or attempt to avoid) the kind of dead end that leads to policy lynching town.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Frankly because I'm scum reading you for purposely wasting time and not helping town when you could have. If you have a reason for me not doing that, I'd like to hear it.In post 426, Not_Mafia wrote:Why is my blatant survivalism being ignored, especially if you scumread meBipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Your lengthy trolling of inferno when you could have as easily posted the same thing I did and moved on to more constructive things. Yes, it was funny and clever. It also wasted time and was completely pointless.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Bleh. The one thing I know in this scenario is that it is never a good idea to lynch a PR claim without discussion, even if it's a ridiculous one.
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It doesn't matter because I unvoted. We / you can discuss the merit of his claim in tomorrow's day phase.
Vij: druther a no lynch than lynching a PR claim.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Ugh this is the part of mafia I dislike.
I think I dun fucked up, by having the subtle touch of a brick wall.
Please don't lynch N_M. There are town reasons to let him live. I might be totally wrong, but I'd rather find out I was wrong tomorrow than find out I was right tonight.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Based on Raya and Inferno's interaction regarding N_M's impending lynch, Raya is town. It seems unlikely she could summon that kind of energy if she already knew how N_M would flip.Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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