Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, wow.
I was surprisingly busy for a few days IRL, gonna read and write today!

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, wow.
Just read the last 7 pages, and I realize I will never get that time back.

[UnaBombaH]

I was initially worried this game had started a few days ago already, but it's just mulch spamming a lot of shit.
Business as usual.

I see the "competition spirit" has not made everyone fed up with your need to spam. Buttock I am.

[UnaBombaH]

Buttock I am.

..I think my BUT might need some correcting..

[UnaBombaH]

you'd be wrong

i'm a hyper poster myself and this is just ridicilous.

10 posts per fucking page

meaning he has 40% of the game all by himself already.

I think I have said this every game we have played together, but I like you doggo.

[UnaBombaH]

Ah, remember the good times when we killed everyone?

[UnaBombaH]

I think mulch is so high on coke or just spasming from excitement, that it's hard to accurately tell whether his rambling has been AI.
Because I think this has been SO HYPER, even from him, it actually might be AI.
Firebringer might be town just because RC replaced out (I think scum!RC would've seen some easy prey in this game).
I like you so far.
Chara and Spiffeh are ??? to me.

[UnaBombaH]

implosion just popped in, hasn't given me any impressions yet.
Spiffeh made like two posts, but I think he is going to be a hard one. Same with chara.
I've seen two games from Aristophanes, two from Cabd. Neither has spoken in this one yet, but I think I can try do some analyzing with them.
Ginngie I've seen twice too, not sure if I can read her at all though.
Patrick, Kagami, Kmd4390 and Cheetory6 are strangers to me and haven't spoken yet.
Toranaga I've seen once, in a game I would like to forget, so not taking anything from there.

[UnaBombaH]

okay but i really really REALLY do not want anyone to use meta from this competition to base their reads on this game

it's just fucking stupid.

Well...yea and no.
I think it is clear to anyone who has seen me play, that I was given a townslot in a game like this.
Like, I understand the possibility of WIFOM and all that, but my team wouldn't trust me with anything significant when potentially playing against people who "know me" - like you, RC or mulch.
And then we have all the fantastic scumhunters who just know I'm a nubscrub who is always drenched in paranoia and bad gutreads so..
No scumroles for me!

[UnaBombaH]

you got the wrong high on coke read brother

........meaning?

If you clarify this, I will give my second opinion!

[UnaBombaH]

Maybe Una-Tor is scumtheater??

[UnaBombaH]

I think toranaga just scumslipped..
Silly him, let's not lynch him yet.
We can, like, save his lynch for D2 because we know he will be around and, like, be lynchable tomorrow.

[UnaBombaH]

He said he has a scum-Discord with mulch. OBVIOUSLY.

I think you should try to keep up with my scumhunting Trans..

[UnaBombaH]

how so?

una doesn't grasp mafia dw about him

VOTE: Toranaga - serious OMGUS

[UnaBombaH]

Cheetory6 is cute for thinking I might be scum.
Trans is garbage-town if he thinks my vote on Tor was anything but a joke.

[UnaBombaH]

Serious post: pretty much all of my posts so far have been less than more serious.
In other words, seriously, I haven't been very serious about this game so far.

It's mainly because
A) not nearly everyone has posted yet, and
B) I think that nothing of much value has actually been discussed yet.

I mean, this is something like a "prolonged RVS" until everyone has checked in and actually started to post.
That being said: UNVOTE:

[UnaBombaH]

Una if you dislike the Mulch spam why are you still RVS voting/not trying to sort anyone who's here and posting?

P-Edit: I've got one made already.

Because his spam was 10x mine.
Also, his spamming was mainly him soloing the shit out of the thread - at least I have been interacting with Trans and Tor.
I feel like I have seen plenty of alignment-tells from Trans, for example.

[UnaBombaH]

i feel like una's a player i could soul read

The only thing similar with me and dogs, is that neither of us have souls though..

But hey, I am your bud still!

[UnaBombaH]

i feel like una's a player i could soul read

Every time I read Una I get the opposite alignment to what he actually is

It's because I'm bad at town -> I get scumread, I'm OK as scum -> I get townread.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm kind of not really understanding why you're getting in my way here given that we have literally nothing else to push here right now?
Would you like me to vote someone who isn't here and not develop my own reads just because you townread him?

Returning to this later.

[UnaBombaH]

This is probably going to be one of those games I’m mislynched day 1

I'm sensing the same, and I'd advice you to halt all further posting until we get more people online..
I've seen so many games where mulch is lynched D1, and with various end-results.
The one recent game that comes to mind where mulch WASN'T lynched D1, town won..

[UnaBombaH]

una do u actually think mulch is town tho (:

Good question.
Also: I think you provoking him even more now, ONLY leads to self-destruct -mulch. No matter the alignment.

I'd appreciate if we wouldn't go there now.

[UnaBombaH]

You guys should stop talking to each other

Ah, a Paragon of Mafia-hunters has arrived! (also agree with this ^^)

Any early hunches to offer?

[UnaBombaH]

Also, if people wouldn't mind indulging in bringing me up to speed on Cabd: what kind of a player is he really?
He was playing in my first ever game on this site, and I think I have seen him play only once more after that.

I understand the joke-/"meme-" value in people voting for him in the RVS, but there's always something at the root of the joke.
Is he notoriously good as scum? Bad as scum? Talks dirty as scum?

[UnaBombaH]

...I'm losing hope.

Guys, it's absolutely possible that 0 scum has posted in the game yet..
Although I think one has, but..it's possible we are just chasing our own tails!

#giveScumChance2Post #LurkingMightBeScummy2

[UnaBombaH]

did you not just see how completely different mulch's tone and approach was when i voted him vs. when i voted our mutual townread?

come on una work with me here!

I have no trouble working with you, I just don't think we gain anything from this back-and-forth with you two.

I literally learned more from cheetory6 making a few posts, than I did from ~10 pages between the two of you.
Tor and you both gave me food for thought, but mulch can't even TRY to produce anything with you pressuring him.
Give him some space for now, he isn't going anywhere..

[UnaBombaH]

it's okay mulch, maybe lq, ucv, creature, or sheep can help you

they're all stellar scum players

Wait, is that their teams actual lineup?
Lots of great players, but they DO have something in common regarding mislynches and such..!

[UnaBombaH]

Ginngie has at least one of her "impeccable early game reads" wrong.

I think Trans is a bad lynch today. I think mulch is a bad lynch today. (considering I have been here watching it unravel throughout the workday)
So far I have no solid reason for scumreading either of Firebringer/Ginngie. (although I'm sure Ginngie will provide something for me to scumread, and there's still no way to lynch her)
Cheetory is pinging me, not yet sure why. I'm liking his effort though, so prob. not a good lynch-candidate.
Toranaga is null for me, hard to get a grasp on.
Spiffeh puzzles me. Maybe it's because I'm a nub, but I thought he would bring the fire from post #1 onwards. But I guess he will either show his work, be it scum or town, whenever he has time to post more.

So I'm still here waiting for the rest of the class to post.

[UnaBombaH]

RC probably replaced out because of me and that's NAI

No. It was because of me.


250%. Same reason why mulch is being a salty asshat.

Hey Cabd, have you gotten any better since my first game here?

[UnaBombaH]

Why does the hyperposting stop when I finally join in on the fun?

Because you're being silly scumreading me.

I think Trans is a bad lynch today. I think mulch is a bad lynch today. (considering I have been here watching it unravel throughout the workday)

Why are you already writing off these two as lynch options without even hearing from half the game?

This question was badly phrased, so my answer might seem weird, but..I wrote them off as lynch-candidates BECAUSE I hadn't heard from half of the game yet.

I just want the two of them off each other, because I believe in a thing where it might be bad for town if we all just spam the thread - no matter how "good" our content is, or how right we think we are.
We might feel like we are "gamesolving" and see others making "mistakes" and whatnot, but in truth we might just end up giving the actual scum room to sit in silence -> sheep -> sit in silence -> sheep...
And town make bad posts too, just read my ISO.

[UnaBombaH]

Don't know why, but I somehow townread the fact that Spiffeh already reposted his question to me.
Like, he REALLY wants an answer.

[UnaBombaH]

Mathdino wanted me to tell mulch and firebringer to shut the fuck up or get tunneled for the rest of the game. He says team mafia is supposed to be town sided because so many people are able to scum hunt but a spam fest stops some people from doing so.

I sort of said something similar to Mathdino in an other game that just finished..

Tell him I said Hi, and also much respect.

[UnaBombaH]

He said he has a scum-Discord with mulch. OBVIOUSLY.

I think you should try to keep up with my scumhunting Trans..

Ugh. Stop being scummy if you are town. He was obviously playing along with mulch's Mason fakeclaim.

Ugh. Stop trying to force "scummyness" into my posts. I was VERY OBVIOUSLY JOKING. If you missed that, you didn't read most of those pages after all.

chara, una, mulch and ginngie are townreads. bit less on una. no other reads I can say with much confidence. even my scumreads are iffy right now.

I can agree with this post 95%. The 5% is lost for hesitation on my slot.

I think I don't know how to read 2017 join dates

.......seems like an excuse?

Guys I'm confused. Mathdino disagrees with like all of my reads and I expected us to be on the same page coming in to this. He says my issues with unabomb can be chalked up to language issues with English (which I actually didn't know) and thinks mulch is scum. I really wanted to vote unabomb but I really don't know. Maybe mulch is ok on a commination of policy and hoping that people who have played with him know him better than I do.

I'm really disliking Kmd so far. "I really wanted to vote UnaBombaH, but.." - "maybe mulch is ok.."
If you are not scum!Egg, please at least listen to Mathdinos opinions on me. He has seen me at my worst, and still accurately townread me.

Radiantcowbells and Keychain: we love you unabombah

Not relevant to the game, but if they are serious, I'm VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT! I thought RC might actually DISlike me nowadays..

This is very "look at me trying to think critically about the game and consulting my teammates about it"

I don't think this is something a town player actually brings up in the thread

Tons of townpoints to

Gryffindor

Spiffeh! Not because "consulting teammates" is bad, but because the subject matter of that post is bad (IMO). Why say that your teammates disagree with you? What is the town-motivation behind it? Scum can do it to give themselves room to wiggle later with "I now trust my teammates".

I'm bothered by how you're making a show about your inner struggle when I'd expect a town player to discuss the differing opinions with their teammates in their team PT rather than say "omg I'm confused and don't know what to do" in the game thread for everyone to see

OK, I'm now officially liking Spiffeh.

I feel like I could take kagamis defense and use that for literally any person in any position in any game

That’s what’s wrong with it

Also it doesn’t even make sense for Trans he isn’t even giving reasons for his Reada

To anyone who has played with mulch - I'd say this should be obvious town!mulch.

Vote: Kmd4390. Also leery of Unabombah. Cheetory reads very town to me, and to a lesser extent Mulch and Transend do as well. I like that Mulch hasn't just focussed on a tunnel of Transcend, as would be easy to do as scum, and is prodding and poking at other people as well.

I can live with people scumleaning me as long as I'm not the lynch - otherwise I like and agree with this post.

As much as I agree with the sentiment, this read feels a bit... conciliatory to me. It's something I can see from Cabd-scum who doesn't think he can get away with scumreading Mulch. Definitely not strong though.

Over 100 posts without anything to push a read on anyone (from my POV), and then we get this from Implosion. Feels like an honest attempt to read and sort Cabd.

Cabd town

Trans is not

Even if there isn't much of content here, I'm agreeing with both posts.

At this time, people seem to be "gathering around".
I feel like next few pages should show where the actual consensus of the ACTUAL TOWN wants to go.

Comfort zone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VOTE: Una!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VOTE: Una

It's okay I'm less confident about you being scummy now because of ~context~.

I might case Una tomorrow if I'm feeling really productive.
I'm feeling pretty muddled tonight.

I feel like these kind of posts are THE WORST, if not followed upon..

Una is gonna be a mislynch dudes (:

I refuse to be lynched doggo. I have a backup-plan if it seems like shit is about to hit the fan!

I don't know, he seems really scummy to me. Like when he did that reaction test. That's super scummy

Or the fact Eddie Cane can't explain why he scumreads me.

Or the fact they are tunneling me despite the fact they both profess not to be able to read me

If I were to lay all my cards on the table already, I'd say this post holds more truth than most are willing to believe.

Unvote, Vote unabomb

My team might end up not liking this but he's my strongest scum read and no one has convinced me I'm wrong.

Tora, I'm townreading you but yeah that was bad logic on cabd.

This fits with his earlier hesitation. (and fulfills the purpose of that post)
VOTE: Kmd4390

[UnaBombaH]

I'm just fairly certain mulch is town. I'm not trusting any of their reads for now, but they are town.

Transcends list likely has all town in 1.-6.

Boon has a gutfeel on Ari being scum, and I can actually concur there. It hasn't been long since Ari was scum in a game (with Boon and Chill, both in my team), and I sort of feel this is similar to that.
My current top-candidates for a lynch today are Aristophanes and Kmd4390.
Cabd is maybe the one slot I'm MOST CONFLICTED ON, Ginngie a close second.

[UnaBombaH]

didn't kknow mulch's scumfuck ass was capable of having 11 town's heads up it

I mean..he is such an obvious town..

[UnaBombaH]

FUCK OFF WITH THAT NOISE HES BLATANT SCUM

A sound, reasonable, reaction.

[UnaBombaH]

Hey Trans, I'll give you a case: how would you weight town!me vs scum!mulch (assuming they are mutually exclusive)

[UnaBombaH]

I like eddie.
I still remember the first time he called me a dumbass.

[UnaBombaH]

I like

legit hate every emoticon I see being used

Sorry for that..

[UnaBombaH]

Ok but why have two shitwagons popped up instead of boosting up cabds

Why is Cabd scum?

Why on earth am I scum?

[UnaBombaH]

Your OMGUS is showing with your comments at both cheer and myself and then your vote.

I would never think "you suck" about players who are more experienced and sound players than I might ever be.

My comments towards you and "cheer" (cheetory?) are based solely on your posts/actions in the game.
I do not think you suck, I think your actions might have scummy motivations.

[UnaBombaH]

I for one don't think cabd is scum. But I haven't seen much of a towntell from him either.

Like previously stated - I'm having trouble sorting Ginngie and Cabd (especially). Kagami to some degree, but I think they're town.
Almost everyone else I'd be willing to toss into a sorting basket, and I wouldn't feel too bad about it later.

[UnaBombaH]

Also: WHY is Aristophanes town?
I'd bet his role-pm isn't similar to the color of his name..

[UnaBombaH]

From Mathdino, paraphrased:
Una
- Drop your Aris scum read. He would never pick a scum role. However, you pushing this does show that you are town.
-team mafia is town sided. Mulch's play takes away from that because people not in the game won't bother to keep up. Saying town loses if we mislynch mulch is BS. What are your thoughts on mulch vs transcend?
- you're probably right about scum hiding in the chaos. Lynch either a spammer or a lurker.
-youre being scum read for being awkward and uncharismatic and not seeming to care who the Lynch is.
-this slot is backed by our reads and meta knowledge and you'll be able to tell if it's a scum slot by our accuracy.

From UnaBombaH to Mathdino, not paraphrased:

- I won't drop MY Aris scumread, because it wasn't mine to begin with. I do however, agree with my teammates that he would fit his scumplay here very well. I would also like it if others pushed him too - last time he was scum he got off so very easily that it made me sick to watch them win that game.
- mulch's play hasn't been pro-town, at least not very much of it. I'm also NOT saying town loses if we mislynch him - I said that the one time he WASN'T MISLYNCHED, town won. Please don't go twisting my words. I'll hold my thoughts on mulch vs Trans until I have thought about my gameplan here.
- scum is hiding in the chaos - lynch lurker/spammer - can actually agree on this. Aristophanes has been sort of lurky here...
- I don't mind being scumread, as long as I'm not mislynched. And calling me uncharismatic feels like a low blow - us Finns have never been called good at socializing
- I A A T B U D A I C C L I I A S R A L A I A N L. *I didn't understand your last line, so I'll try to make a line that you can't understand*

[UnaBombaH]

Two more things before I'm off from work and need to focus on driving and not dying IRL:

1. Saying that "someone would NEVER PICK SOMETHING" in Team Mafia, is ALWAYS drenched in WIFOM. Like, Aristophanes won his last scumroll. It was a sweep.
2. Someone saying that their teammates said ANYTHING can never be taken at face-value. Like, if I told you everything Boon has had to say about how HE reads some of you guys, you would probably be split between "yeah, trust him over yourself" and "Boons reads are always BS".

I might be newer to the site than most of you guys, but I've seen enough of how this site is run by egos and even bigger egos, that I know I'm right here.

[UnaBombaH]

And you know what - fck it.
While we are at the core of WIFOMing who gets what role - why would my team ever give me a scumrole?
I'm fairly certain we got 0 scumrolls anyway, but if we didn't, I would probably be the last one to get one.

[UnaBombaH]

But yeah Mathdino says OMGUS is something town-you does and it seems like your reads are based entirely on that despite what you say.

I'm actually becoming fairly certain that A) Mathdino didn't say this, and B) if he did, he was wrong.

My reads are not based on OMGUS - they are based on interactions and whether something is fake or not.

[UnaBombaH]

Aristophanes hates playing scum and there are lots of people here who can confidently read him. It's possible he took scum. It's also possible that he might be punching himself in the face right now. I don't really think he'd do either to himself here.

So you're also saying people can confidently read him?
Are you one of those people?
I assume it has to be based on tone alone, simply because he has done very little in the terms of scumhunting.
Not judging the player - yet again, only respect for my "elders" - but what is his value to town if he doesn't scumhunt or post much, and is only obv.town to those who are part of a circle who can toneread him confidently based on something like 6 posts?

Genuinely, honestly interested.

[UnaBombaH]

Nobody is saying that they're reading him based on his play here. I'm saying that he would be completely fucked as scum here and will probably start towntelling when he starts playing the game. There's literally no world in which scumAristophanes lurks his way to victory in team mafia and there's no way that townAristophanes lurks and doesn't replace out after a week. His slot is a complete non-issue and wagoning him early D1 is a waste of time.

Finally, thank you!
Best answer I have gotten, and the first one I'm willing to accept regarding the matter.
Kudos.

[UnaBombaH]

OK, now I really need to get driving, and I might not read/post until morning if I'm tired when I get home.
So might be away for ~12-14hours if I'm tired.

[UnaBombaH]

Also I think I'm starting to lean fire scum

I like where this is going.
I woke up this morning seriously wondering why Fire is town, and what his actual contributions have been..! (don't know what kind of dreams I've been having.. )

[UnaBombaH]

fire's town you fucking dumbasses

Oi!
You a bad doggo, wash your mouth.

[UnaBombaH]

Also, did you just call me old? XD

Elder was used as in "elder", meaning you have more experience on the site, and the game.

(If your profile has your real age listed, we are the same btw!)

[UnaBombaH]

Hey Ginngie, I don't think we have ever interacted properly.
Are you still around?

[UnaBombaH]

What just happened?

Trans and Ginngie talking in your scum-PT?

[UnaBombaH]

I'm reading the last few pages in ~14hours, I'll def. post tomorrow because I finally have a day off.
I at least need to read Eddie properly, and I think we sort of can't get a lynch negotiated too quickly anymore..

[UnaBombaH]

That's also why I want unabombah to ask Boon what his read is - Boon has most of the same experience with you I do. If I'm wrong, Boon should have you as town (assuming Una isn't scum). As it stands though, I'm pretty damn confident you're scum.

Boon called mulch town from the start, I can ask for an update if you want.

[UnaBombaH]

I got laid off today.

It fucking sucks.

I'll be back tomorrow when i stop feeling sorry for myself.

I also just heard last week I'll be demoted..
So I think I can somewhat symphatize - I hope you feel better soon!

[UnaBombaH]

I'm feeling less certain about mulch/eddie being t/t now.

I think we still might make a mistake if we don't lynch one of them..

[UnaBombaH]

OK, call me if you still need me for something.

[UnaBombaH]

Boon says that Ari is scum too

[UnaBombaH]

I also think that me saying I townread Eddie is way less valuable, than me NOT saying I scumread Transcend..
(I thought that I might be kept alive if Transcend thinks I'm in his pocket, but then again, I'm probably not a kill priority at all in this company..)

And to add even more "me too"-factor: I'm also "not feeling" this game anymore.
Too many inactive slots that are yet to take a definitive stance on almost anything.
Not everyone should spam as much as mulch/trans did early game, but I don't think anyone has reason to have more than few "nulls" in their lists at this point, and those "nulls" are the players that ought to get to posting and sorting others..so that all nulls from everyones lists would disappear.

I'm actually thinking that it might be best for us if people were to post more "old-fashioned", simple, readslists at this point, and then we move on to N1.
I'll make a list sometime during the weekend, and hope that almost everyone makes either a list, or some other form of a sorting effort that shows their position and stance in a clear manner.

[UnaBombaH]

I used to think "Ginngie is a nice person".

I'll fuck off again.

[UnaBombaH]

I think I started well early, and I was feeling confident that everything will be clear in the end, but now I'm just demoralized.

I mean...unless I see some of the attitudes around here softening..I might need a backup-plan to even make it through this game..
I'm definitely over calling names and lashing out at others - if we can't drive our points home any other way, the fault is not in the audience, it's in the message or in the way it's delivered.

But hey, I'm only here to claim points for my team, so I'm not even close to giving up!

[UnaBombaH]

I'm off to bed, will provide a "to the point" list during the weekend.

[UnaBombaH]

your above post said nothing with 3 paragraphs - do you tr or sr my slot it was unclear

I've scumread Trans ever since he kept pushing mulch over the limit.
I feel like it was him abusing the fact that mulch easily self-destructs, even as town.

You can go check my ISO - I tried to deliberately avoid calling Trans town OR scum, because I wanted him to feel he has me in his pocket.
I then tried to actively analyze him and look for potential associations, just in case we might actually get his lynch through today.

You have said nothing I scumread yet, but then again, I think you are one of those players I could never hope to catch!

[UnaBombaH]

I mean, FFS Eddie, we shared a hood in that one normal where you were scum, and I didn't see the truth until the last day..
And even then I never had a chance to get you guys lynched!

[UnaBombaH]

I tried to deliberately avoid calling Trans town OR scum, because I wanted him to feel he has me in his pocket.

Is there a reason you choose to share this now, other than eddie subbing in?

Eddie subbing in.
He will not give us any indication on who his buddies are anymore either, so if we want to find associatives, we need to dive Transcends early posts..

Also the fact that the game doesn't feel as intriguing to me anymore - I think that slot was the one interaction I read correctly from the (almost) beginning.
I mean, after Eddie subbed in, I thought for a moment that that Eddie/mulch was likely just T/T. Same in the very very beginning, before Trans went overboard with his pressuring.
But upon reading Trans/mulch again from the beginning, I get a clear feeling that Trans was trying to get mulch lynched very early in the game, and trusted on the fact that he often does get mislynched D1.
I bet his gameplan was to almost completely avoid D1 scumhunting from all the experienced players, and get to D2 with two strong townplayers already down.

[UnaBombaH]

But hey, I really need to go to sleep now, I'm buzzed and tired, but I'll leave you all with a thought:

"I was taught to be tolerant and plain
I was taught a million things I can't explain." - some proverb/lyrics I read somewhere sometime, google them to credit the right people, peace out.

[UnaBombaH]

Which brings us to this post by Firebringer. "I have no idea what his method of reading me is." Why do you bring that up as town? It just seems so, so much more likely to be something at the forefront of your mind as scum, when you know you have to say the person can read you but you feel like you want to discredit them in case they turn against you.

Obviously can't say if you're onto something here or not, but I love this kind of "creative thinking"!

I honestly think these are the kind of situations where scum are vulnerable to nitpicking.

[UnaBombaH]

I guess my vote on kmd is worth about 3,50 right now so.. UNVOTE:

Tell me - Who we doin' today?

[UnaBombaH]

I'll catch-up tomorrow evening - it's been a busy sunday for me.

[UnaBombaH]

Reading now, will spam the thread because that is how I catch-up the best.
Sorry in advance.

[UnaBombaH]

i feel like una's a player i could soul read

Every time I read Una I get the opposite alignment to what he actually is

It's because I'm bad at town -> I get scumread, I'm OK as scum -> I get townread.

Considering this quote, and kmd/Spiffeh wondering why I say I wouldn't take a scum-PM after a quote like this..
When I say I am "OK as scum", it obviously means OK. Not good, not great. OK.
While my main problems as town have always been transparency and paranoia-scumreads.
I find it hard to let go of them, and that often leads to me getting either scumread, or discredited to the point I'm of no use to town anymore.

I would never take a scum-PM in this Team Mafia, because my teammates are probably all better as scum.
Simple as that. Also our team got a whole set of 0 scum-PMs, but I guess that is what everyone would say..

[UnaBombaH]

I wonder if I'm wrong on mulch and chara

After all that's been said, I really dislike this hesitation.
I guess its somewhat understandable with the amount of context we have gotten - something is bound to be missed on initial reads and first impressions.
But toranaga seemed so certain, that this actually feels ominous..

[UnaBombaH]

it's mostly that all of his scumhunting (of which there was very little) seemed particularly flat, his choice of things to focus on seemed weird to me and the softclaim was kind of terrible for at least a few reasons most of which I don't really want to dig into right now.

I gather this was on Cabd?
Something I'm NORMALLY able to rather accurately read, are fakeclaims. That claim from Cabd felt fake - it almost surely is. (based on the way he "presented" it, and the timing of it)
Now I'm not sure whether I want to go any deeper there today, but I'm struggling to see the town-agenda behind his actions.
Just my two cents on that slot as of this far into the game.

[UnaBombaH]

Toranaga I actually don't have anything definitive as to what I like personally but using the method of sheeping the crowd, I'm comfortable putting him into town.

I'm afraid this might be a mistake I've done myself as well..

[UnaBombaH]

Okay, making a reads list isn't actually working. Cheet, Ginngie, Cabd are town. Mulch schum or if you're generous null.

Una is probably around there too, their paranoia is bad because they have a team now.

My reads are still my own.
Only if my whole team yells at me for disagreeing and me being a dumbass, will I admit to paranoia..

That leaves Chara/KMD/Kagami/Patrick/Implosion/Ari/Fire/Mulch/Una as a scum pool. Fuck me up. I mean, the game could be solved if Cabd faked his FN claim, Boon let Una pick scum and didn't coach him better, and Mulch decided to fake some weird shit with cabd while pocketing tor..... lol. Otherwise, I hate this game. Guess this post is gonna take me a bit longer than 15 minutes because I'm well aware how scummy it is to be this indecisive and have this many town leans.... so l ets break 'em down. Again, this is from memory. I did not leave this post preview while typing this. sorry if anything is wrong.

This honestly feels like scum!Eddie..

I would probably scumread the above post because I barely took any stances, but like, this game is hard lol...........

I'm not editing the above I wrote At least we know Eddie is aware of it.

[UnaBombaH]

I really dislike eddies readslist in the reads and in the reasons

Good to hear I'm not alone in that either.

[UnaBombaH]

town: Toranaga, Kmd, Firebringer, Ginngie, Cheet
townish: Cabd, Spiffeh, Mulch, Patrick

leftovers: Eddie, Una
scummy leftovers: Kagami, implosion, Aristophanes

If I'm removed from the bottom tier, I can live with this.
Like, I think Imp MIGHT be towniest of the other 4 in the "lower brackets", but I wouldn't be surprised if we found 2-3 scum there

[UnaBombaH]

Also pretty sure that FB is scum, but I'm not going to lynch a gunslinger claim and supporting that read would require breaking rules.

I'm 90% sure that Firebringer isn't actually a gunsmith and 100% sure that him claiming to be one is NAI

Again, agreed on a claim being fake. More likely NAI, than what Cabd pulled.

[UnaBombaH]

Aristophanes hates scum and manages to lurk every game as it.
I haven’t found a distinction so far this game since it seems ari has been forcing himself a lot to post which makes me think possible scum and RC thought so too.

I don’t get Aristophanes townreads beyond ari would never self choose scum.

I am letting ari be though.

Everything except the last line fits my current read on the slot. I mean, I don't WANT to let Ari be, but apparently he is off the table for todays lynch.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm feeling less certain about mulch/eddie being t/t now.

I think we still might make a mistake if we don't lynch one of them..

What specifically makes you think it's no longer TvT?

I think I already commented on this, but it just feels weird..the interaction between them I mean.
One or both of them are trying to force something, and I'm not sure which one of them holds the scum-agenda.

One other example that comes to mind: mulch calling Trans' hunt on him something like an ambitious attempt at glory (nailing scum!mulch D1),while he also openly admits to being lynched a bunch D1.
I'm fairly certain there are times where he has flipped scum D1 too.

I also feel like Eddie might be playing his scum-game.
I love to be the center of my own analysis, but for example - town!Eddie has no reason to be "suspicious" about me.
He knows how low my play actually is ( ), and town!Eddie would either call me straight out as scum, or townbin me "for now".
Scum!Eddie likes to keep his options open, and tease the idea that I COULD be lynched D1.

[UnaBombaH]

UnaBombaH had a pretty bad entrance and has never really recovered from it. There seems to be a lot of talk around Eddie Cane and Transcend that really isn't translating into anything productive which makes me think he's just talking for the sake of being involved. There are probably other things that I can't remember rn

I'll have to continue my reread tomorrow from here, shame to leave it on such a post..
All I can say now is that I'm not scum, and you will all see that sooner or later.

[UnaBombaH]

fwiw una I legitimately find it funny watching you try to meta me but I have to cut it off unfortunately

1) your paranoia is over the top and dumb as a player. fine, there's others like that. now you have 4 partners to help you sort tour thoughts and your garbage hypotheticals are unnecessary.
2) I have no reason to suspect you? excuse me?
3) I have you as scum right now. give me boon.

Boon is a busy man..I'll see what I can arrange.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Mulch

You want a lynch confidently pushed? Best case scenario, Mulch is flipping scum. Very likely. Worst case, we remove someone so clearly antagonistic and annoying from the game AND open it up because of just how many interactions he is - probably leading to me reconsidering Kagami and likely voting him. But, this is the lynch today. He is full of shit.

Yea, this is the one post that will probably make me vote mulch once I'm caught up..

Not sure if scum!Eddie would want him lynched D1 though (unless they are buddies and the distancing done between Trans and mulch was over 9k), but I think lynching mulch D1 might be the most productive thing after all.

[UnaBombaH]

Fuck you for trying to pin something on me for my personal relations with people

You absolute dick headed cow arsed piece of horse shit

[UnaBombaH]

Oh look! A read progression! Now I have a hero complex and lynching the legendary Mulch will help me achieve my dreams of becoming a Pokemon Scumhunting Master

This is exactly what you are trying to do.


At this point I'm convinced your not scum.


UNVOTE: Eddie

This is the point in the game where I find real scum while you tunnel on me with visions of power and the results show post-game.

VOTE: Kagami

Somehow I also scumread this..
I feel like town!mulch wouldn't care about appearances and would just OMGUS Eddie till twilight.

[UnaBombaH]

Initially Unabombah felt awkward to me. Lots of emoticons, lots of jokey/spammy posts. He gave what seemed like a few serious reads: Firebringer maybe town for replace out, liked Transcend, but sort of weakened them later by saying pretty much all his posts have been jokes up until then. 261 gave me a gut pang with both lines, especially "Transcend is garbage town", even though that comment can make sense logically.

He made a series of posts between that post and my next that look a lot better, especially 920. Liked him joining me on Kmd, liked what initially looked like an attack on Spiffeh turning into a townread on Spiffeh - it looked pretty organic to me. He seemed to not be hammering on soft popular targets that nervous/meh scum might, and instead doing his own thing (Kmd & Aris, yes, I didn't agree with scumread on Aris either).

Right now he feels a lot less involved, and I want to hear from him about his reads. Pretty on the fence about his alignment.

Pedit about 6 million posts, time to read those.

This seems like the first post that actually focuses on the right points when trying to sort me.
I'm feeling good about Patrick still, he is likely my only townread that hasn't wavered much at all.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm fine with kagami and mulch being the two wagons with the premise that town mulch does indeed mean scum kagami.

I'd sign this for now as our official D1 solution.

[UnaBombaH]

I just read kagami's ISO and came out of it with the impression that they're town. I do like their entrance push on spiffeh and I like all of their posts re: mulch in the sense of those being genuine thoughts and kagami believing the push. IDK what's scummy about kagami but maybe you can enlighten me.

OK...and now I'm torn on Toranaga too. This feels like a towny post, just because it would be way easier to jump on the Kagami-wagon and drive it towards the end.
His earlier posts (that I think I quoted yesterday) made me less confident on town!Tor, because it felt like he was going to take an easier route from thereon out, and wagon either mulch or Kagami.

[UnaBombaH]

His confidence in me being town just feels unnaturally strong. I mean, he did say it was because of my stance on teammates helping, so it's not like he hasn't given a reason but it seems like he's coasting on that as a reason and for me to be his "strongest townread", "unquestionably town", and "blatantly obvtown" over it just doesn't feel right.

I feel weird having issues with town reads on me because it keeps coming up and I don't usually do that to this extent

, but some of them just feel out of place and Implosion's fits that category just like Kagami's does. Cheet and maybe Spiff I think just have the right read for the wrong reasons. These two don't feel natural.

@Kmd: So if I understood this correctly: Kagami and Imp have gained scumleans from you because of HOW they have presented their townreads on you? I like this line of thinking.

@everyone else: (

bolding my own

) - this one bolded part feels very weird for me. Like, trying to explain your behaviour right before giving (IMO) good reasoning for scumleans feels fake..

[UnaBombaH]

mulch the amount of self defense you made this game that didn't immediately follow some clear game solving is troubling me a little.

I think if we interact in real time I'll get a better grasp of you right now.

This is what I've been waiting for.

[UnaBombaH]

UFO there aren't any wolfy people this game

Spiffeh is pretty null-scum

Kagami is legitmately scummy

Everyone else is some degree of towny

I'm wrong somewhere

VOTE: mulch

dude I was hard pocketed by you, congratulations

but you're scum and kagami is almost always a mislynch here

I think this is the last nail in the coffin for mulch.. I was already sold on Tor being able to read mulch (better than anyone else?), so him making it this blatant feels like a sealed deal.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm not scum smh

this is probably a death sentence for me

Just promise to lynch Kagami after this

I'd be willing to say that town!mulch -flip would make Kagami+Tor both reasonable lynches for D2.

[UnaBombaH]

Nah I'm not gonna fight against it
I'm 99% sure he;'s town too
I know why he's mireading me also but there's no point
Just don't hold it against him and just turbolynch kagami tmrw

[UnaBombaH]

Not a big fan on Unabombah using chara's readlist as an indirect way to give his own. Would prefer to see one from Unabombah with at least some reasoning.

I'll get to this soonish, I'm finally catching up to the game!

[UnaBombaH]

It might or might not mean anything, but this is the second time I can remember Eddie calling someone's list a good one. The other was Cheet's which isn't really all that close to this one. Eddie's own list also had Cheet and Cabd as town where Firebringer has them in his bottom four. Eddie, why is this a good list and why was Cheet's? Be specific.

Good catch, was already wondering about it while reading his reaction to FB's list..

[UnaBombaH]

--

love you Una <3

Yknow, you guys don't know this most likely but Una is pretty smart

,

who

know how to not be lynch

.

This does resemble their

towngame from Penguin mafia

.

I call the

scum

not strongly

.

I edited the post so that you can read it from my POV too..

In all seriousness though, this IS very similar to my towngame in penguins game.
That was my first normal on site, and I had big trouble townlocking Eddie who ended up claiming Doc before people took him to the executioner..
I then successfully caught two scum (Boon and Vedith) with my very good logics, and very bad rolecopping, and we ended up winning in LyLo!
I'm also going to be an obvious town in this game at a future date, even if I'm never getting my chance to flip Doc like Eddie did.

However, I'm not sure if I'm ever able to fully trust Eddie again, mainly because I townread them in Apartment mafia, and he was scum there.
I might be permanently broken from that.

[UnaBombaH]

OK, end of the spamline:

Solid-ish Townreads:

Patrick, Cheetory6, Chara

Townleans:

Spiffeh, implosion, Firebringer

Waffle-line:

Ginngie, Toranaga, Kmd4390

Scumleans:

Aristophanes, Kagami, Cabd

Scumreads:

Mulch-slot, Eddie Cane

DISCLAIMER:

I absolutely hate saying anyone is "NULL" at this point of the game anymore, therefore I have that waffle-line for slots I'm having most trouble with. Almost all of those slots are either A) posting too little ACTUAL CONTENT for me to be confident in my ability to read them or B) providing good content I townread, but then posting things I scumread, and effectively muddying it up.

On Eddie/mulch - I do not care how much Eddie (or anyone else) bashes me for putting him down there, but I'm trying to be honest and open with my read on the slot at the moment. One reason that slot is still in there, is because of how Trans approached the game. While Eddie has been salvaging the slot immensely, I still think Trans was scum, and therefore Eddie is playing VERY WELL, but on a scum-slot. (I feel dirty for writing scum-slot, I might have a dirty mind )

Toranaga WOULD BE a townlean for me, but his waffling on mulch confused me immensely.
One of the main reasons why I want a flip from mulch/Eddie is for me to maybe be able to sort Tor too.

Kmd I initially scumread, but their content has been generally good. They will most likely rise above or fall below by the time they make their next bigger post.

Ginngie is not as adorable as I thought she might be. She is one of the three slots in this game that would benefit IMMENSELY from just spamming game-related content. She would likely either towntell, or be scummy in my eyes very quickly.

The other two slots that I just need to see more from (in terms of quantity) are Cabd and Ari. If they are town, all they need to do is spam content, and I'm almost certain I'm able to sort them too. (I understand IRL can be hard, it has been for me too, but that is the only way I can confidently sort them)

K, thx bai.

[UnaBombaH]

I think DBZ-abridged is amazing, and Vegeta is the best there and in the original, so I'll give you some DBZ-based towncred that have absolutely no effect on this game.

[UnaBombaH]

remember this is LyLo

.........

(No idea what kind of "stuff" she is using, but I almost feel like I want some.)

[UnaBombaH]

Who is scum Ginngie? Don't need to tell "why" for now, just tell me who.

[UnaBombaH]

Ah, but you don't list the "who's left" explicitly as scumreads..
You also explain your townreads better than you do any scumreads.

[UnaBombaH]

also una, in penguin mafia you did no reads lists like that and by the end (20-30 pages longer than the thread is now) you had a 2 page iso full of content. in WR mafia, however, you did those reads lists a lot and were always playing catchup iirc. thoughts?

Activity-meta would be a more accurate tool with me if IRL didn't pace my playing 100%.
Whenever I have time and energy - I'm online. Sometimes even when I don't. No matter the alignment.
I've been re-assigned at work, and that has taken a lot of my mental energy the past week or so, and it didn't help that this game was moving at an insane pace during my below-insane energy levels.

Now that I'm caught up, I only get left behind if you guys spam awfully lot during my sleepy-time (~6 hours from here on out actually).

AND just to make sure you don't get excited with those "points" of yours while I'm sleeping..

A) I might have not done such readslists in penguins game, because it was my first game outside of the newbie-queue. Something like my third game ever of forum-mafia.
B) I had more content in that game because, if memory serves correctly, I was able to stay up to speed the whole game then, and the distribution of posts were completely different. Firebringer, Trans and mulch make close to a total of 950 posts of this game so far..!
I'm also questioning me playing catch-up in WR-mafia, but don't feel the need to even check that now.

Back to fishing for you Eddie..

[UnaBombaH]

That was part of it, yeah. I feel a little better about implosion on that issue now though.

Good to hear.

[UnaBombaH]

Yea, I'm fine with this day sliding to it's end now.
Fine with an assemble-lynch, fine with a Kagami-lynch.
I feel like I might actually need a flip before I can produce anything reasonable by myself anymore..

[UnaBombaH]

I think this game is probably as simple as mulch-slot, unabombah, and I'd guess Firebringer.

Me and assemble? Why is that?

[UnaBombaH]

una; has boon read the game, and if not did you at least tell him my request ; what was his reply if so. paraphrase obviously.

AFAIK he isn't up to speed.
I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to say, so I won't say anything exact yet, but let's just say that one member of our team has been so occupied with IRL, that it has moved priority focus from our whole team there.

If/when he has time, I'm sure he will give his words on you.
But I don't think you need his "input" to sort me, and his input will not lock you as town to me either.
I'll need to arrive to that conclusion myself.

I've actually been planning to re-read your posts from The Apartment during this games night.
Maybe I can actually use that to sort you more confidently, who knows.
And when it comes to me - I'm REALLY going to be an obv.townie D2/D3. (No need to jump to conclusions - I'm not claiming to have any power as of now )
I'm always feeling better and more comfortable as the game progresses.

[UnaBombaH]

No need to be annoyed with me, doesn't change anything.

[UnaBombaH]

I want him to help me sort mulch, and to help YOU sort ME as a secondary effect.

He knows that I wanted him to give an update on how he feels about the mulch-slot, and same with your slot.

His earlygame reads were very similar to mine - his initial reads on mulch-Trans was T/S (in that order).
He later stated that he felt like kmd was taking advantage on the situation and that lead to him scumreading kmd. (I later came to that same conclusion when kmd's vote on me felt opportunistic at the time)
Boon was also the one who toneread Ari as scum based on his entrance, unlike almost everyone else (apparently) in this game.

He now said he will try to find time for this game too, not going to pressure him for it. I bet our other games are easier to keep up with and help anyway.

[UnaBombaH]

final time i'm answering or after mulch flips i'm vote parking you tomorrow.

Bark at me all you want.

[UnaBombaH]

Do you have any preference between the two at this point?

I'm very split between the two, BUT... I somehow feel like mulch should be the lynch just to lay the whole mulch/Trans-conversation to rest.
If he flips scum, we can assume Eddie is more or less locktown.
If he flips town, we can start comparing trajectories around the slot.
I feel like Eddie should be close to anyones top-suspects -list if assemble were to flip town.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Assembletrotws - better put my money where my mouth is.

[UnaBombaH]

L-2 I think - now I'm off to bed.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm not scum.
There is a Doc in the game.
Get the fuck of my back Eddie.

I would like to hear why you think I'm scum after that flip.

[UnaBombaH]

KMD I don't like your line of questioning and it isn't helpingnmy scumread on your slot jsyk

Don't care. My team needs these answers.

...alrigjt, I know what you're getting at

can una get some more votes? I might have a hard or soft guilty

Even a "soft guilty" seems unlikely, since I couldn't have moved at night, I do not have a role that would implicate me, and my alignment is town.
That takes out cops, rolecops, trackers etc.

Give me your soft guilty now, you gambitty fool.

I also think Cabd needs to claim straight up, this dancing around the subject reminds me of scum buying time.
His claim should be #1 thing on the list today, everything else should only be decided after.

[UnaBombaH]

Aaaa, Eddie will claim a JK?
And then he says "no one would ever try to kill Una N1, so I must've stopped the kill by stopping him = Scum!Una"

If I'm correct, do I get a fruit basket?

[UnaBombaH]

Because I want to be consistent with my crumbs..

[UnaBombaH]

I'm not a jk, there can't be 2 jks and assemble already claimed it un ccd

Then please, gibe your fakeclaim. Gibe gibe.

[UnaBombaH]

Don't be foolish Chara.
I just know Eddie gambitted that, and it makes me annoyed/amused. I hate being gambitted against, especially when I'm scum, but very much as town too.

[UnaBombaH]

Also, don't put me in a position where scum can quickhammer me.
There are def. enough townies who already might push for me, so scum would have no trouble pushing for me.

[UnaBombaH]

Also, don't put me in a position where scum can quickhammer me.
There are def. enough townies who already might push for me, so scum would have no trouble pushing for me.

you are at L-6. pfft.

Sure, but while you guys approach prime posting time, I'm going to sauna and sleep.
Also this game has some people I dont trust NOT to lolhammer me, even if they are town.
No need for us to throw the game after such a good D1.

[UnaBombaH]

My claim will bring complications, but I'll do it if requested.
Eddies guilty can't be a guilty, if that makes any sense.

[UnaBombaH]

My claim will bring complications, but I'll do it if requested.
Eddies guilty can't be a guilty, if that makes any sense.

I thought my guilty was a gambit?

Thats essentially what Im saying.
Or you have a result that you THINK implies something.

Ill post when on comp

[UnaBombaH]

It's the kind of guilty that he could claim out of if he knew what it was. Think Vanilla cop, Neapolitan, Tracker, ETC. Or maybe I am a jk and there was no kill last nighy.

Ok, these are all investigatives that would have no implicating results on me. I'm trying to rack my brain on what you could be, to even be able to twist me as scum.
To the above, Not Vanilla, Not VT, "no result" (didnt move)

I'll fullclaim if that is the majoritys wish, but I'm feeling iffy about this..

@Eddie, assume I were To be An investigative - Who would I check N1? (NOT CLAIMING INV. HERE, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT)

[UnaBombaH]

una, just claim vt or not vt. that will suffice.

I already did above.
Explicitly Not VT

[UnaBombaH]

Rc says unabomeh is obv Town

Can you ask RC to go any more in depth?
Does he know I've been crumbing my role all game?

I also think that Eddie should humor me, since I'm willing to humor him:

@EDDIE - ASSUME I AM AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE - WHO DO I CHECK N1?

[UnaBombaH]

Vote unabomb

Stop being ridiculous. Eddie already said he doesn't have a guilty on me.
I'm only asking him this one question, and then we are done with hypotheticals and will hopefully move on.

[UnaBombaH]

And unabomeh he says ur just obv town and didn’t pick up on crumbs

Ok, townbinning you.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Cabd

[UnaBombaH]

The other other other one part that I find just a bit sketchy is that he said today that his claim would "sort itself out"

..would mean that he was 100% sure he was going to be the NK..
Only way it would've "sorted itself out".

[UnaBombaH]

I'm now going to sleep, but I'm very much interested in Eddie's theory on scum!Una.

The best thing about all of this is that I was willing to townlock Eddie after Assemble flipped red, but the way he entered this day made me question his motives again..!
So especially this game-day, I can say that Eddie re-created his own pet-peeve - paranoid!Una.

[UnaBombaH]

una like 8 people have told you to just claim.

why are you going to sleep instead?

Why is the claim necessary if Eddie admits to not having a guilty on me?
I'm still open to doing it, I just don't see the town-motivation for it at this point.

[UnaBombaH]

The town motivation is that we don't want probably-scum Una to have the freedom to make up whatever role you feel like if you're somehow alive after all the sensible players are dead.

The worst case scenario here is that you're town with some role that is powerful enough to be worth killing, but I'm pretty ok with that.

I'll make the claimage-post when I wake up then. There's gonna be a lot of quoting. I might salt one other town-PR as a side-product, but since you guys really want it, I'll claim when I wake up.
UNLESS PEOPLE EXPLICITLY TELL ME NOT TO. I'm fine being a named townie.

[UnaBombaH]

You called Transcend town a couple times.

Show me your quote of it, and I'll admit to it.
I deliberately avoided calling him town, because I scumread him quite early, but I also wanted him to feel like he has me in his pocket. I thought I'd 100% make it to lategame because he'd never want me dead.
I also thought he'd never be the D1 lynch, so there was no reason to push for it solo, and risk dying.

[UnaBombaH]

he's sheeping my vote, sheeping my lynch solution, and i'm one of his two scum reads? does.not.compute

Why do assume I'm sheeping you? Just because my reads might be similar or even same with yours?

[UnaBombaH]

And, of course, you never clarify where you got an "annoyed" vibe. I am probably blowing this out of proportion but I despise being ignored on simple thinks.

Your actions become easier to read when you are annoyed/pressured..

[UnaBombaH]

Only one slot has outright said they don't need to hear my fullclaim, but I'm thinking that based on Eddie retracting that guilty, and even giving a slight townlean on me, it would only do us harm at this point anyway.

And to all the skeptics - my crumbs have been so multiple and ridiculous, that me claiming anything except this specific role would be obviously fake.

[UnaBombaH]

if you ctrl f ari in my iso, there's a lot there. i know he doesn't like scum and is pretty bad at it, but his play here is atune to my impression of his scum meta and he's being all around useless.

This is why I initially scumread Ari (and assume that is why Boon did too).
This is also why I was asking around D1 why people didn't scumread him, but apparently it was more along the lines of "let's worry about Ari later.."
I'm just worried that there are multiple slots that need the same treatment now, namingly Cabd and Aristophanes, and it seems unlikely to hit scum on BOTH..

I'm also willing to make another check on Kmd, I'll read them tomorrow if I'm not awfully busy at work.

[UnaBombaH]

I still think Firebringer should be on the table.

For now I have a gutfeeling that he shouldn't.
Or should I go back to "everyone is on the table, NO ONE IS SAFE!!!" ?

My effy-pile is still pretty much the same as it was D1 - now that Cabd is on the actual scumread-department, it leaves me waffling mostly on Ginngie/Ari.
(I'm seeing a lot of townbinning on Ginngie, but I do not have a metaread on her, so I'm left here wondering why. )

My actual "scumread"-list is rather short currently.
Cabd's Friendly Neighbour claim was indeed fake, as it felt from the start in D1.
I think his bulletproof-claim is POSSIBLE, but the way he "reached that conclusion" felt bad.
I do not feel like voting anyone else today.

[UnaBombaH]

Well, this was sort of anti-climatic..

I did all of my hard-thought crumbing for nothing, and played semi-scummy too.. Oh Well.

[UnaBombaH]

People wanna guess who who was our Doc? My bet would've been on Patrick.

[UnaBombaH]

this will probably be my last mafia game with my banner I need to savor these last moments of superiority

MAKE AN INSANELY ACCURATE TONEREAD ON A CONTROVERSIAL SLOT, AND CALL THEM OBV.TOWN!
GO FOR IT, I'M SURE IT WILL BE GLORIOUS!

[UnaBombaH]

Can we just end this while the mod and majority are still around?

VOTE: toranaga

[UnaBombaH]

Uh-huh

[UnaBombaH]

Jaa.
Why did you do it?

[UnaBombaH]

Funny..I thought Tor was scum because of a guilty, and no CC.

[UnaBombaH]

There's so much wine on the table, but also on the floor now.
Ginngie broke a bottle.

[UnaBombaH]

Mistakes happen, but you broke it anyway.

[UnaBombaH]

Just woke up, and Im on mobile, but isn't this CONFIRMED to be 12-3?

[UnaBombaH]

i'm like 80% sure the last scum is in Kmd/Una.

I initially scumread kmd and got very little support there.
I'm not scum, and that will be clear when we massclaim tomorrow(?). (or whenever if necessary, but don't think today is the time to do it)
Like, we are seriously 9-1 atm, we have all the time in the world. Let's try and just get the conversation back to rolling.

[UnaBombaH]

do we just lynch ginngie here though?

like we probably should for due diligence but i don't think she is scum but i don't think we can possibly leave her alive at lylo?

i'm not sure if the part of me that's saying that actually thinks she's likely scum, or just dreads a universe where scum-ginngie wins this game.

I mean, I was really thinking about this as well.
The easy way out for her is that "no one in their right mind would do this as solo-scum".
Well, maybe that is why you do it. (and so on, and so on)
This is what I meant earlier when I said there's wine all over the place - it sucks to have to even think about it.
Ginngie can't be let to LyLo anymore, but I think that having a "policy-lynch" or very little discussion anyway would only hurt us if we miss today..

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, and one other thing I considered - what were the odds of Ginngie being lynched yesterday/today assuming she hadn't faked a guilty?

[UnaBombaH]

Also something that is very meta: how does the point-system work in Team Mafia?
Like, does a team gain points from getting as many mislynches as possible? (when scum, obviously)
Assuming the remaining solo-scum got pissed because their teammates are dropping like flies, and they'd go for the flashy play to shake things up and ensure one more mislynch.

Just throwing things out there.
Don't be mad Ginngie.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm not very eager to townbin Ari yet.
For whatever reason, you have been my one solidish townread throughout the game Cheet, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on all the remaining slots as clearly as possible.

PEDIT: wow

[UnaBombaH]

Ginngie is actually obvtown. After losing partners on the first two days, it makes no sense for scum to get into a 1v1 with town. The last scum needed to Outlast like 12 people so there's no way they make that play.

The reason to do it is exactly this.
Like, I'm willing to bet that we all trusted her guilty so easily because "scum would have no reason to fake it".
Well, they faked it. I can see either town or scum motivation behind it IN THE CONTEXT OF THE GAME so far.
Town would do it because "lazy", or as she said "reasons".
Scum would do it because of "frustration towards scumbuddies" + "no one would do this as solo-scum".

My plan for now is to make a "list of three", people Im willing to lynch in the coming days, and one of them is guaranteed to be Ginngie.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm also of the opinion that we don't massclaim today, but almost definitely tomorrow.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm willing to bet we have a rolecop in the game btw.
I just had an epiphany.

[UnaBombaH]

Can concur!
VOTE: kmd

[UnaBombaH]

So dirty!

[UnaBombaH]

So Ginngie/Firebringer/Aristophanes/Chara are the ones leading the conversation atm.

I have no idea which of you could be scum.

[UnaBombaH]

[UnaBombaH]

Townblock:
{cheetory, Spiffeh, ginngie, Chara, Kmd, me}

No way Jose
If we go with this townblock and we miss a scum today, you have scum in that block.

It's like..a very simple choice for today that flips scum, or the last scum is actually on a high-ishly townread slot.
I feel like I want to ISO-dive you all, but I haven't found the time to do it.

Will try to find the time before D4 ends though.

[UnaBombaH]

My plan for now is to make a "list of three", people Im willing to lynch in the coming days, and one of them is guaranteed to be Ginngie.

How's this plan going btw?

Not well..
I've been racking my brain about Ginngie, and I've come to the conclusion that my annoyance at her stunt with all the fake-claiming and such was overwhelming my thinking.

I'm still stuck on one aspect though: frustration.

I can see her thinking "fck my team, fuck this shit, I'm going balls to the walls".
And then just to make things more interesting and to actually lock herself as town, she pulls that shit.

[UnaBombaH]

If we go with this townblock and we miss a scum today, you have scum in that block.

???
Why?

It's like..a very simple choice for today that flips scum, or the last scum is actually on a high-ishly townread slot.

Just a hunch I got.

[UnaBombaH]

I think one of my my main problems include Eddie being killed last night.
I can talk about that more openly once we mass-claim, but I think scum actually believed his faked softing and that "guilty" on me.
He was one of the better townplayers around, sure, but he shouldn't have been killed unless the remaining scum believed his "claim".
There would've been an avenue for mislynching him in this game for sure - especially when we would've claimed - and part of that is also because of Trans-Mulch -interactions.

[UnaBombaH]

@Cheet - if you could INSTANTLY kill three players, after which the scum would INSTANTLY kill three players, who do you think should/would remain alive to the MyLo?

[UnaBombaH]

@Cheet - if you could INSTANTLY kill three players, after which the scum would INSTANTLY kill three players, who do you think should/would remain alive to the MyLo?

(obv. assuming you miss scum )

[UnaBombaH]

I think we need our true king, Paragon, at times like these!
To unite the kingdoms of men!
To unite all the free people of this town!

[UnaBombaH]

...no, wait...I'm actually thinking Aragorn here, right?

[UnaBombaH]

Those are two posts that don't have reads in them.

??

[UnaBombaH]

My vision of a townblock is crumbling.

Good.
Include me in there, and be mostly suspicious of Chara/kmd/Ginngie, and we can move on with building a solid block.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm struggling with this game now.

Can't we just lynch Ginngie today?
She will 10/10 times flip scum or VT because of that whole fake-claim thing.
And I think that as long as we don't lynch a PR today, we win after a massclaim tomorrow.

[UnaBombaH]

None of the above actually contradicts my thought that Ginngie got unmotivated, and went with the all or nothing "scorched earth, burn the bridges" -approach once her buddies went down so early.

[UnaBombaH]

My favorite thing from the last pages was kmd theorizing that Cabd would've crumbed for me to claim a FN-result

[UnaBombaH]

so you're saying you think Cabd decided to fakeclaim BP instead after the kill failed?

pedit: if Una doesn't have a claim that warrants his behaviour, he's done.

I'm only slightly worried..

Mainly that the roles wouldn't make sense.

[UnaBombaH]

Didn't read anything worth me commenting.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Una

One of those things is literally you saying who scum is

If YOU took the time to read my posts, you'd see where I'm looking at.

You'd also know that I don't have an actual scumread at this point. I've tried to do profiling on how the last scum should've played, and who that might be.
The biggest problem here, is that mulch-Cabd already had that readable (anti-)synergy.
Mulch was very hyper and "in your face", while Cabd seemed uninterested and demotivated all game.
Possibly IRL-stuff too, but I'd bet he hated being scum with mulch (and especially how he played it out)
This leaves the third scum free to be whatever.
Like, either try to bus them both and gain massive distance, or be very active and interactive with them, but not outright bus, or, or..
I mean, I think this scum team was never very "tight-knit" or coordinated with their actions.
If anything, I'd say Cabds ISO might reveal more about the third scum than Mulch's, because I assume Cabd was ok with the idea of losing mulch D1 for the way he played, but would've wanted to not screw his remaining partner.

[UnaBombaH]

If we massclaim today, I want it done coordinated.
Not just in random order, or we will likely fuck ourselves.

[UnaBombaH]

Like, either the scum has to make a fakeclaim (where having an order to it helps us more), or the scum is Vanilla (having some implications towards balance).

[UnaBombaH]

Only slot I like from today is Cheet.
His long post from last page towards Ginngie demonstrates the kind of critical thinking I had myself towards Ginngies self-"meta" and self-critique.

I think that by giving us two options to choose from, she is trying to force a perspective on us.
I don't think either perspective is correct, and that leads me to not to believe anything she says about herself.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Ginngie - delayed OMGUS

[UnaBombaH]

Our Doc should save me tonight btw.
And we should hope scum still misses a PR after us having two obvious VTs..

The other solution is that we should have only our investigative and me claim for now, and solve the rest of the claims from there.
I'm not being cryptic just for funsies.

[UnaBombaH]

I want our investigative To claim first, but not results. For reasons.

[UnaBombaH]

wow, that sure isn't suspicious.

I think there's a chance we force scum to make a fake-claim with this route.

[UnaBombaH]

Don't get me wrong, once I hear what kind of an investigative we have, I don't need to hear their results or even who they visited and when.
And if our investigative is anything but a rolecop, I will be there to claim after them.

If they claim Rolecop, I only ask to be pushed down the list for one more specific claim I ask for, and will claim after them no matter what.

I'd also like to make sure - there is only one claim I will ever make and you will know I've been crumbing it from the start (I always do)

[UnaBombaH]

Chara do you have any other games from recently where you were this apprehensive about massclaim things?

Don't push them on it yet.

[UnaBombaH]

I mean. I did see him claim scum once to try getting two scum teams to shoot him and it almost worked. He was so convincing that I could have sworn he was scum in that game before I looked back on in a couple of weeks ago.

To clarify something: I dislike fakeclaiming as town, but this particular game kmd is referencing, I CLAIMED SCUM IN TWILIGHT AS A TOWNIE, as a last ditch effort To try and give us a chance To win. (multiball, tried to make both scumteams shoot me)

I do not otherwise fakeclaim as town, and if I ever leave crumbs, I mean it.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm also pleading that we don't force Ari to claim, but instead all ask for our investigative to step forward, and claim their role, but no results yet.

[UnaBombaH]

you're going to need an amazing reason for asking investigatives to tell the last scum what kind of results they could have before the scum is forced to claim.

like.. I just said that "no results".

[UnaBombaH]

yeah the one thing i'm really confident with atm about una is that his reason for wanting claims to go like this, whatever that reason may be, isn't as good as he thinks it is.

Could be. But I also feel like I know what type of a role the remaining scum has (if not Vanilla).
I also feel rather confident that we have at least one investigative role, and I think It's more likely a role-investigative.

[UnaBombaH]

P.S. I have an hour or two to spare soon so I'm gonna maybe do things?!?!?!?

Who's excited?!?!?!

I am!!
But I'm off to bed now, so..

[UnaBombaH]

Chara do you have any other games from recently where you were this apprehensive about massclaim things?

Don't push them on it yet.

when you're awake, i asked you what this post meant, Una.

Assuming there's a reason why you wanted to claim last.

[UnaBombaH]

Ok, fuck it all then, nobody is playing along.
The reason I was trying to poke at the order was to see who'd agree to it the easiest. (investigative claiming 1st)

I am your Backup Doc.

Now I think I have something close to 10 references towards this claim, and I'll make a post with the list of my crumbs if necessary, if someone thinks I'd ever fakeclaim this.

BUT. I assume people can see some of the implications I was talking about.
Unless there's a town killing role (which seems unlikely with no 2 kill nights), we have a Doc (because scum having it would be useless?)
But since we'd then have quite a lot of healing vs ONE-SHOT RB, I'd guess scum has something like a strongman/JOAT as third scum.
MEANING that we should have at least some sort of an investigative, and my guess would be a rolecop (fits the best with Cabds derpy fakeclaim if his information was that there'd be one) and/or a tracker-type, although I doubted that because of no one CC'ing Ginngie..then again, I think not everyone got to post yesterday.

I'm not going to popcorn, I still think our investigative should claim before the Doc, just in case, but whatever.

[UnaBombaH]

your claim doesn't explain

anything

regarding why investigatives should be claiming first.

I just said it above - I wanted to poke at the thought to see how people react to it.
I felt like I was the one to do something like that, because I've spent so much time crumbing, that even if someone thinks it might be scummy I'm not afraid of being mislynched.

[UnaBombaH]

my prediction is coming true. all the controversial slots are VT, except the one we knew would claim PR.

But who claims Neapolitan then?

[UnaBombaH]

Kind of feel like anything short of an investigative in the remaining pile of players to claim should hold onto their claim to try and give a slight shield to any kind of protective role. I don't really think there's scum in the group and might give us 3+ nights of investigations if we bamboozle scum.

Y/N?

I sort of agree, but I'm also worried that at this point scum can already snipe the investigative and we risk losing the investigation results.
The reason I was poking at our claiming order was to maybe goad our remaining "scumbuddy" to claim falsely in the hopes of blending in/"conf. towning" themselves with a role that doesn't make sense in the grand scheme of things.
Similarly I wanted our VT's NOT to claim, and I wanted out Doc to stay hidden - my claim should be enough for our investigative to trust there's a doc around.
I was willing to have our investigative claim, followed by me, to have a "follow the cop" for two more guaranteed (more or less) nights.
But hey, it's great we had people just claim whatever and popcorn whoever.

[UnaBombaH]

Agree with Patrick.
Also, our investigative HAS TO CLAIM at this point.
How would our Doc save them tonight otherwise?

[UnaBombaH]

OK. I think if we were going to have just an investigative role claiming and nobody else, that should have happened before half the game claimed VT.

Interesting.. but I guess me saying this same thing was asenine.