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[zakk]

Zakk, who is the last team scum?

idk. that's what i'm gonna be scouring the thread for. join me

[zakk]

But now I'm concerned that he just wants the wagon on him to die so that he can run out the clock. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until tonight

no matter how you want to slice it this is still effectively lynch Key or get lynched. Like even if I switched to Key there's not enough to support his wagon. It feels very dammed if I do dammed if I don't.

Then pick someone else. And you keep acting like we're the only ones here. We're not. Let's all work together. You, zakk, shos, and make four votes. We could either join a current wagon or start a new one. Somebody would probably join it.

:goodposting:

[Nero Cain]

join me

on what?

I already have my opinions and they are likely not to change.

IF we argue that you aren't scum then I'd think that the last scum is in Key, PV or Creature.

zakk

Keyser Söze

Nero Cain

PeregrineV
Creature
Ramcius
WhemeStar
Aronis
Lil Uzi Vert
momo
Hiraki
shos
^
is your lynch list. Like really I'm the last scum and I'm offering myself up as a lynch on the condition that both Zakk and Key flip town (wich won't happen) Let's go for the perfect win.

[Nero Cain]

but I'd still like this answered.

If you think I'm the wrong lynch why are you only trying to get ppl off your wagon?

[Creature]

Aronis, Key, PV or LUV then.

[zakk]

I don't even know what you are suggesting. If you think I'm the wrong lynch why are you only trying to get ppl off your wagon? Who do you want to be lynched if not you and not me?

*I* took MY vote off your wagon.

And I'm looking for another lynch as we speak.

[zakk]

Aronis, Key, PV or LUV then.

I believe you're correct.

I just got done with a triple-ISO of scum, and momo looks pretty un-scummy as a result.

Doing Whemestar next.

[Nero Cain]

[3][L-4] Nero Cain: Lil Uzi Vert, momo, shos,

but they are still voting me. If you think I'm a wrong lynch why are you comfortable with them voting me? Shouldn't you be trying to get them off my wagon just as much as you are trying to get others off your wagon?

I have to go soon. I expect to see case on someone with detailed reasoning why they are scum by the time I get back.

[zakk]

Momo's appearances in scum ISOs

(Sorry, woulda spoilered this, but there are spoilers in it, and the code breaks)

Hello WhemeStar. Did you think momo's vote was serious? Moreover, why do you think he picked you?

I'm can hear Bernard speaking as I read your post.

Momo on the otherhand reads as inexpeienced.

Momo on the otherhand reads as inexpeienced.

Why would you read Momo this way but not wheme?

Apologizing in advanced for misgenders and this list includes the people who have stuck out to me.

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Ircher  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Not_Mafia (0%) - It's hard to get a read here when he's always goofing off. Even when he does say something relevant, it tends to be an absolute, and he generally refuses to elaborate further.

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Momo (+40%) - There have been questionable things tha this slot has said, sure, but it reads as genuine thoughts versus scum trying to manipulate the town. Aka, Momo, for lack of a better description, reads sorta like lynchbait at the moment.
Wheme (-55%) - For me, his attack on me at the beginning was bad, and while forgivable, his unwillingness to provide information and evasion of my question reads as suspicious at a bare minimum.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)

I thought it was weird that their readslist described Momo how I would describe someone that I am townreading them but put them in a non-towny category.

Momo is classified as town. You have to pay attention to the sign in parenthesis for neutral and null. (+ = Townlean, - = Scumlean)

Momo on the otherhand reads as inexpeienced.

Why would you read Momo this way but not wheme?

Possibly confirmation bias. Wheme's posts don't have quite the same atmosphere though.

VOTE: Whemestar

For not voting

Does it matter?

What does this mean??

Everything matters.

If you are not able to share reasoning, it means that either the reasoning I scummy or you have no reason but mislynch.

Wow momo that post is bad

No it is not.

BTW, I started the wagon on Wheme as an rvs push. Why did people commit to it so hard??? I will be trying to find scum on that wagon??

Also, Not seems very flip floppy, trying to please everyone. First he followed me on wheme and the followed wheme on me. Looks like he wants to please everyone so that he is not lynched.

VOTE: NotMafia

Sorry, I meant can someone who is not scum (wheme/not) give me their thoughts........

Guys unlike some of you people I am actively trying to solve the game. Not and Nero pushing the Wheme wagon that I meant as rvs strikes me as scummy. Thoughts on this????

You vote whemestar
You question him and his actions
You call it an RVS and people voting it are scumy
Then you call wheme and NotMafia scumy
Then you call it RVS again

That's my problem with it.
VOTE: Momo

Why are not-momo votes a thing?

Because I've never not scumread him, which gives me pause when a wagon on him grown like this!

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

being lynchbait doesn't gives lynch immunity, and if you going bring this argument up, i will be more than happy prove you wrong

VOTE: Not Mafia

you wrong, i'm not scum, so you have to go

True, but don't discount it completely either.

Momo still hasn't gave me a reason to town read him. Calling him lynchbait loses its credibility when he is self aware of it and states it himself D1.

The Momo wagon is bad and you guys and gals know it.

@keyser
I have just played with Momo town and scum.

As town he was in 1v1. Ended up giving up and basically conceding. Lynched.

As scum he was mentioned as scum and then said " so vote yume?" Yume was the popular mislynch wagon.

So as town, concedes.
As scum throws attention somewhere else.

I haven't seen scum!momo get this frustated either.

I don't see it as genuine frustration.
His self meta as lynchbait comes across as an excuse.

You vote whemestar
You question him and his actions
You call it an RVS and people voting it are scumy
Then you call wheme and NotMafia scumy
Then you call it RVS again

The wagon STARTED with an rvs vote. 2nd post of p.2 I think.

Anyway, Wheme started reacting a bit scummy so I questioned him.

Then it suddenly became a huge deal and it looked like an early lynch was a possibility.

I stopped then because short D1 mislynch is never good for town.

Better safe than sorry.

Nero and Not seemed TOO eager.

Happy??????

Ok, here we go.... (Sorry if I'm very incoherent...)

Spoiler: Momo ISO - Day 1

1. 111 --> Confronts Wheme on his "Does it matter?" post -->

I feel like the majority of us would agree that this is a decent if not good post from Momo. Wheme's post definitely causes people to question his motives, and Momo's post highlights that suspicion. --> Townish (+1)

2. 128 - Responds to Wheme's 113, talks about the buildup of the Wheme wagon, and then switches topics and votes Not_Mafia for wagon-hopping -->

The response to Wheme's post was acceptable -- Wheme's post was kinda bad (though not scummy) imo. The rest of the post is.... not so great. You may have started the Wheme wagon, but you didn't propel it forward. What propelled it was Wheme and Not_Mafia asking people to vote Wheme. Your concern for its buildup seems exaggerated. The argument you used to attack Not_Mafia is a very questionable argument, and yet, I feel it's an argument that comes from inexperience.

TL;DR :

Weak post w/ exaggerated concern about Wheme wagon and a questionable attack on Not_Mafia --> Suspicious (-1)

3. 208 --> Trying to solve game, etc. -->

I disagree with your assertion that you are trying to solve the game. You are somewhat trying, but you are also ignoring everythng else that happens -- in other words, you have confimation bias. Tunneling, while not necessarily a bad thing, allows you to forget the big picture. It comes more often from town, but the way you are pursuing it is making me have my doubts. Really hard to explain -- gut says there's something off about this tunnel you are pursuing. --> Suspicious (-1)

While there could be more to say about individual posts, its kinda hard to, so I think I'm gonna wrap this up with overall things I'm noticing:

1. Lots of confirmation bias
2. Very little and usually weak explanations for reads
3. Though never a reliable tell, it feels "Too scummy to be scum".

VOTE: Momo

Why do you vote Momo now?

Momo, Wheme, and Nero are who you should pay attention to.

Is 'alban' the 'Yume' in this scenario?

There were 2 votes on alban... momo added the third (Wheme and Ircher have since unvoted alban).

No. I thought it was NotMafia. He threw attention there. Granted he gave a reason to it seemed like deflection to me.

Nothing at all. I just thought, and maybe I misinterpreted something, that is was going too far.

I genuinely thought you guys wanted a lynch instead of pressure.

What do you think of Nero's push on Keyser Not??

Can you show posts where you think it was going to far and they where just trying to lynch?
Show me what it is you seen.

There is no WIFOM, I'm scum

Come on guys. He is doing this on purpose. How do you not see this?????

VOTE: Not_Mafia

We obviously see it.

Wine In Front Of Me is WIFOM!!!!

Momo still hasn't answered questions

Shit man, at page 15 of 25. I'll see if I can bang this out tn, but you're more likely to get something frome tomorrow!

tl;dr, momo is scum

Well that was easy then! XD
Anyone else it just Momo?
And was it a slip or a Gameplay read?

You also counted momo's votes wrong, he has 11 votes

Hello, Aristophanes.

Your vote is still in RVS

. Are you trying to sort players in your faction PT?


You have offered two (town?) reads so far (two defences).

On momo:

Because I've never not scumread him, which gives me pause when a wagon on him grown like this!

And WhemeStar:

This whemestar fellow is clearly town tho. Why is this a wagon?

What are your actual thoughts on the arguments used against them? (Your thoughts on them concern only the speed/size of the wagon on them).

Hey Keyser! It's been a while!

Momo is a tough read and I legit always scumread them. Momo was more a moment of pause, but the more i read the morning ei think they may be scum.

Where is still likely to be town, and I've liked what they have posted thus far. Of course, a further analysis of both slots is required, but this is what I have atm.

Spoiler: Longass Keyser Post

Investigation file: momo

BTW, I started the wagon on Wheme as an rvs push. Why did people commit to it so hard??? I will be trying to find scum on that wagon??

My gut-read of this is still negative. The tone feels off. [Something petty: I didn't like his continuous use of multiple/excessive question marks ("??"), but he used them as town in our last game together, so less annoyed with them now]

Also, Not seems very flip floppy, trying to please everyone. First he followed me on wheme and the followed wheme on me. Looks like he wants to please everyone so that he is not lynched.

I personally don't read flip-flopping behaviour as scum indicative during early/RVS D1 play. But ok, I can see why someone would scum-read that behaviour in isolation.

Okay momo is scum we can speed lynch this

Even more proof for my case....

Ok, potentially OMGUS-fueled reaction to Not_Mafia's wagon-pushing.

Can somebody please tell me their thoughts on the case on Not??

It seems more solid than the nero one to me....

momo is confident on his Not_Mafia scum-case ranking it more solid than the scum-case on Nero Cain! Is this town-momo taking pride in his own scum-case on a player?

Where is the town???????

Guys unlike some of you people I am actively trying to solve the game. Not and Nero pushing the Wheme wagon that I meant as rvs strikes me as scummy. Thoughts on this????

Real or false frustration?

At the time of reading I thought all of this was scum-theatre (scum-distancing gone wrong).

I would tell you to play to you wincon but your acting as if your wincon is mislynching townies.

Again, I don't believe the tone/sincerity of this post.

Happy??????

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

Ok, the

'frustrated' element of his play is now raging up to boiling point

.

VOTE: alban

alban just GAVE AN EXCUSE for mislynching townies

99% scum

"99% scum"? - I don't know about that. Alban did made a questionable decision to hunt for spammers rather then scum, but that is not a "99%" slam-dunk scum-catch.

What happened to your scum-feels on Not_Mafia, Nero Cain and Creature? (still strong?)



Thus, going back to Ircher's two statements:

"The Momo wagon is bad and you guys and gals know it" and "Because he has done nothing highly indicative of scum; he's lynchbait at worst"

...
True, I cannot find anything "highly indicative of scum". Most of my suspicion lies in the fact that I don't believe the tone of his posts as from a townie. momo has been pressuring/questioning players that I too do not town read (Not_Mafia, Nero Cain, Creature, alban), so perhaps my scum-theatre theory is making me blind to momo's actual reads (which are actually similar to mine, if not for the same reasons).

Re-reading his ISO, he doesn't look CAUGHT-SCUM anymore

. My remaining concern is:

is this 'frustrated townie' or 'fake-frustrated'?

QUESTIONS:

1) Has anyone seen TOWN-momo become this frustated before? (Even citing his own town-meta as a defence of being easy lynchbait).
2) Do you think momo taking pride in his Not_Mafia scum-case is alignment indicative? I.e is town-momo more likely to get disheartened if no-one is listening to him?

See what I mean, he's a hard read!
I have seen him get frustrated as town iirc. But momo doesn't get disheartened as town, he just makes more noise until people follow him or lynch him.

435 sucks ass, and makes it obvious Alban and Momo aren't scum together. Either could be though, and from what I have read of Alban, as much as they could be, I done think they are. Momo is far more likely to be scum.

Oh, I was hoping you'd do that for me :S
I can't say I'm totally caught up yet.

However, sure!

What are your thoughts on the Zakk and Momo wagons, and if you dislike them, who among the voters do you think are scum?
What are your thoughts on Creature's potential intent to shut down the wagons and start fresh ones?

Also, if this game stalls, I'll shut down both wagons and roll a dice to a new wagon.

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

momo

momo already has a wagon, has had one throughout the game, and wasn't a choice.

'Kay, w're flashwagoning Penguin then.
VOTE: Penguin

Oh, I was hoping you'd do that for me :S
I can't say I'm totally caught up yet.

However, sure!

What are your thoughts on the Zakk and Momo wagons, and if you dislike them, who among the voters do you think are scum?
What are your thoughts on Creature's potential intent to shut down the wagons and start fresh ones?

Also, if this game stalls, I'll shut down both wagons and roll a dice to a new wagon.

I think Zakk is town.

Momo is really hard to read. My gut is telling me he is scum, but I keep getting that feeling he could be town. Not against his lynch honestly. The earlier he is gone the better IMO.

So, hard town on Zakk, Momo is what, null? What makes you so willing to lynch him regardless of alignment?

@Mod -- Pretty sure Zakk is voting momo rn, not Creature.

Momo has dodge multiple questions.....

4+8 = 12

12+1 = 13

13th letter of the alphabet is M

13-12 = 1

1st letter of the alphabet is A

Half of 12 is 6

6th letter of the alphabet is F

Half of 6 is 3. 3+6 = 9

9th letter of the alphabet is I

8 question marks. 9-8 = 1

1st letter of the alphabet is A

~

momo is confirmed mafia

Best post of the game thus far! XD

And actually, I do care.

Everyone needs to get off the obv ML bait Momo.

Zakk is by far the superior lynch due to the fact that he's only here at the most convenient of times and is non*entity elsewise.

Radiant Moonlight gives very little for analysis. Overall they have three votes on Momo. The first was RVS, so I can ignore that. The next two still do not have reasoning attached. (You once claimed that Momo was Town). What is your reasoning for the Momo votes?

Transcend next. Transcend was merely sheeping. From what I can see, they were sheeping Radiant Moonlight, who gave very little in the way of reasoning. Transcend, why did you do this, and do you still agree with it?

PenguinPower gave virtually nothing.

Whemestar next. This is more interesting. It seems as though the main reason is meta. Exactly what is the main difference? I noticed that the Town Momo posted a huge wall very early on. Other than that, there was not much of a difference. If you noticed another difference, please explain it and then show that this is a pattern throughout Momo's games, not just in these two instances.

Why have you not moved your vote throughout the game?

Awww shit! Pagetop callout!

Momo, LUV, and Nero. However I still am so behind its not funny.

Okay
VOTE: Momo

Btw, did you make other contributions besides 1519?

Momo still hasn't answered questions

K, Momo Iso is actually scummy.

There is, I'm a mafia doctor

He claimed scum!!!

Okay here is the new and updated case.

Scum would normally not claim scum. Town would claim scum as joke maybe.

So Not is going to WIFOM us into thinking he is town.

But we can see past it. He is scum!!!!

There is no WIFOM, I'm scum

Come on guys. He is doing this on purpose. How do you not see this?????

VOTE: Not_Mafia

This is probably the most laughable case I've seen. Like, seriously, acknowledging Wine and then drinking more of it is ridiculous, and NM, though he would do this as either alignment, I doubt would follow up like he did.
Plus, this is supposedly a Slam Dunk, yet Momo stays with it for...3 posts?

He then switches to rb and abandoned NM because ???

Spoiler: rb iso

Ok so i kept going to 'view your posts' but failed to realise I never initially posted here and so it wasn't coming up and I forgot about the game

im not catxhing up either fuck that

Who is town, I'll believe and sheep first person who responds

I'm town, momo is scum

VOTE: momo

Even if I get lynched don't lynch creature

Ramcius is cool and town

i don't explain townreads

Ramcius is town stylin' on that other person rn

other person ur getting styled on

alban could be town, i wouldn't vote rn

i do like ramcius' style tho, but i think alban's not a good lynch compared to other slots in the game

i don't explain townreads

You might be town.

This is still annoying though and your vote sucks.

ur face sucks

i don't explain townreads

no use just use them to pocket people, right.

exactly

creature's probably town

i'm gonna call whemestar memestar

ur a meme

hard TR on memestar

im pocketing u

Because reading his iso he is active, but refuses to post content. Kind of like scum acting like town by staying active but refusing to help. On top of this, he shows disregard of people pushing him, deflecting attention on another wagon. For this reason, as I dislike the other two wagons, I propose a new wagon to which the wagonee might finally respond to:

VOTE: rb

I mean, I get the Iso gave him a scumread, but he stopped voting someone he thinks

Claimed a Scum Role

in order to vote here and never even mentions NM's supposed claim when doing so. How do you just forget you have "caught scum"!?

And even better is that this isn't his first time not following a Slam Dunk scumread.

VOTE: alban

alban just GAVE AN EXCUSE for mislynching townies

99% scum

Like, Momo has had a 99% scum read and a scumclaim that he actually believed, yet he's not voting either!? That is scummy! He's blowing things out of proportion then abandoning them when they don't catch without ever mentioning them again! Literally throwing stuff at the wall until it sticks!

And then there's the self meta shit, twice:

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

This is self meta but I have been mislynched so many times I just get frustrated by the possibility. Like I can't always be scum people

Like, once I get. It's a note about your self and is good for growing as a player.
Twice though?
That's scummy as its a form of Self Meta AtE! He's using it to manipulate votes off of him!

I'll likely end up voting here, but I want to look at everything else first.

VOTE: Ari

i always look susp to people, who have hard time reading few pages of tread a day (and this game was really slow on generating pages), his push on one of my strongest TRs alban for being not so active is weird in comparison to bunch of people doing much worse, his intent vote momo, but going alban instead so close to deadline is another red flag to me, i dunno if it's distancing or setting accusation for ML, if alban push not goes trough

Did I forget to change back? I got busy looking for a shiny Magikarp today...

Regardless,
VOTE: Momo

I can quote my case if you like.

I can quote my case if you like.

please do

K, Momo Iso is actually scummy.

There is, I'm a mafia doctor

He claimed scum!!!

Okay here is the new and updated case.

Scum would normally not claim scum. Town would claim scum as joke maybe.

So Not is going to WIFOM us into thinking he is town.

But we can see past it. He is scum!!!!

There is no WIFOM, I'm scum

Come on guys. He is doing this on purpose. How do you not see this?????

VOTE: Not_Mafia

This is probably the most laughable case I've seen. Like, seriously, acknowledging Wine and then drinking more of it is ridiculous, and NM, though he would do this as either alignment, I doubt would follow up like he did.
Plus, this is supposedly a Slam Dunk, yet Momo stays with it for...3 posts?

He then switches to rb and abandoned NM because ???

Spoiler: rb iso

Ok so i kept going to 'view your posts' but failed to realise I never initially posted here and so it wasn't coming up and I forgot about the game

im not catxhing up either fuck that

Who is town, I'll believe and sheep first person who responds

I'm town, momo is scum

VOTE: momo

Even if I get lynched don't lynch creature

Ramcius is cool and town

i don't explain townreads

Ramcius is town stylin' on that other person rn

other person ur getting styled on

alban could be town, i wouldn't vote rn

i do like ramcius' style tho, but i think alban's not a good lynch compared to other slots in the game

i don't explain townreads

You might be town.

This is still annoying though and your vote sucks.

ur face sucks

i don't explain townreads

no use just use them to pocket people, right.

exactly

creature's probably town

i'm gonna call whemestar memestar

ur a meme

hard TR on memestar

im pocketing u

Because reading his iso he is active, but refuses to post content. Kind of like scum acting like town by staying active but refusing to help. On top of this, he shows disregard of people pushing him, deflecting attention on another wagon. For this reason, as I dislike the other two wagons, I propose a new wagon to which the wagonee might finally respond to:

VOTE: rb

I mean, I get the Iso gave him a scumread, but he stopped voting someone he thinks

Claimed a Scum Role

in order to vote here and never even mentions NM's supposed claim when doing so. How do you just forget you have "caught scum"!?

And even better is that this isn't his first time not following a Slam Dunk scumread.

VOTE: alban

alban just GAVE AN EXCUSE for mislynching townies

99% scum

Like, Momo has had a 99% scum read and a scumclaim that he actually believed, yet he's not voting either!? That is scummy! He's blowing things out of proportion then abandoning them when they don't catch without ever mentioning them again! Literally throwing stuff at the wall until it sticks!

And then there's the self meta shit, twice:

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

This is self meta but I have been mislynched so many times I just get frustrated by the possibility. Like I can't always be scum people

Like, once I get. It's a note about your self and is good for growing as a player.
Twice though?
That's scummy as its a form of Self Meta AtE! He's using it to manipulate votes off of him!

I'll likely end up voting here, but I want to look at everything else first.

oh that. I just think he's a vi that says stupid things. Could he be scum hiding behind a too scummy to be scum playstyle? Eh, maybe.

I don't think this is VI Momo. He's a decent player and apparently cares a lot about the Large games he enters. So he should be putting thought and effort in, not just "saying stupid things"! I think his bringing up his playstyle twice shows he's using it to his advantage!

Now can we please focus on the real scum: Momo!

VOTE: Momo

Also, let's not waste our time on Radiant w/ their failed gambit.

I could honestly care less who is lynched rn unless it's me, but objectively, momo is, imo, the most likely to be scum out of everyone who has a viable chance of being lynched within the following 20 or so hours.

That's very weak momo.

Like, it's survivalistic in nature since ari's your counterwagon.

Town can White Knight just as scum can.

Why can't Mewtaph be town WKing town Ari?

Pedit: Don't ragequit. You have potential, but people have to understand your viewpoint.

@Momo
Please answer.

Ah, but you misunderstand @momo.

Objectively, you are the scummiest. That's pretty much fact. But scummy != scum; you can be scummy but still town.

I don't know?
I'm trying to ask how can that happen. What makes it possible.

how we should know, if you refuse claim role?

I'm a Neopolitan and checked wheme last night.

Bullshit.

WhemeStar was obvious town.

Like, really, really obvious town.

Wheme keeps saying Momo is town. Just because.

As Momo continues to avoid direct confrontation can someone explain a town read?
Wheme don't talk about who Town should vig, if scum has a doc or protective they can defend against it.
My solid town reads
Creature
Keyser
RM
Wheme

Scum
Momo
Zakk
Neo

hard scumread shos right now.

When screenplay flips scum, we lynch shos.

Any objections????

Yes.

lol @ momo xD

guys
this is bleeding obvious for me suddenly and I can't believe I didn't see it earlier.
The following faction had scum in it. Scum have a framer. they knew everything that was going on, and used it exactly as they should have. Since when can a person perform two actions on one night? both kill and investigate? (btw screenplay please say your result. trust me.)

also don't call me nuts, I can link you to a game in a second where I said OMG I bet *crazy shit* and the conftown is actually an SK and voila! SK endgamed me.

after screenplay posts his results I will continue with what I have. and probably out our own guilty.
Anyway. My cop result is 100% unmeddled with;

Who did you cop?

I claim compulsive bus driver.

I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.

Player #1: Alban

--> 32 posts

1. 13 --> "excited" -->

RVS --> Null (0) / Null (0)

2. 236 --> 10 pages, can only catch up in evenings -->

Too early o tell, but this post looks like just excuses --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

3. 275 --> Complains about spam; some other content as well -->

Kinda don't understand what you are saying about me (what reads as naive in my 160?), the rest seems okay, but I feel that the post doesn't cover enough. Honestly though, you read more as just lazy right now. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

4. 392 and 393 --> Vote Wheme for spamming -->

This was brought up before, but it's important to bring it up again in this ISO read as a player read is the sum of the reads I have on each post. Anyway, why are you prioritizing a lynch based on policy over looking for/lynching scum. It's not a huge alarm bell -- town do silly stuff all the time -- but it's an important to understand your perspective, and why you did things. --> Suspicious (-1) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

5. 483 --> Asks why Keyser presumes he hasn't presented his reads yet -->

Maybe because you haven't? I mean, 275 was a start, but you haven't really presented any substandial reads (other than perhaps your policy-based one.) I don't like the hint of an accusatory tone in the post but it's by no means a definitive tell. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

6. 494 --> Stuff concerning people voting him cuz his Wheme vote -->

Tell me this -- why shouldn't people want to policy lynch you for being useless if you want to policy lynch Wheme for spamming? I remember that I was one of the ones who voted you for your vote (which I admit was a bit foolish and policy based), but you have to admit that people are gonna policy vote the ones who play anti-town. The real question is -- why aren't you taking a more proactive stance in the game? You obviously seem to have reads -- why aren't you pursuing them or expounding upon them? Instead, you continue to pursue your Wheme PL to the exclusion of all else. --> Suspicious (-1) / Null (0)

7. 496 --> Admits to little content in his iso, but says it's better thasn the litle content in Wheme's cuz of a lower posting density -->

I would like to know how you can make an RVS vote 200 posts into the game. This post honestly feels like a back-pedal from his vote, but at the same time, it feels town; the entire post reads as transparent and honest. An unvote would be nice (or some reads), but the post does show imo a pro-town outlook, just a controversial one. --> Town (+2) / Null (0)

8. 760 --> Something about wagons stalling -->

Need context.

9. 765 --> Says he's "tempted to vote Momo" and will try to participate more -->

Earlier you said Momo was lynchbait. What caused your stance to change OR am I misreading, and you don't really support the Momo wagon? --> Suspicious (-1) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

10. 766 --> Finds Keyser suspicious ("hunch") -->

Just a hunch? Nothing more? Ah well, can't blame ya; I've kinda been like that all game. No substandial reads, just a few hunches and surface level reads. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

11. 783 --> Ramcius's vote looks like policy but wanna make sure -->

I like this post. Alban admits that the vote is fair if it's policy-based, and rather than OMGUS, he tries to establish a conversation between Ramcius and himself. The approach used here just reads as town. --> Town (+2) / Null (0)

12. 788 --> Refutes Ramcius's scumcase against him and votes Ramcius -->

I think this post takes a fair stance on the issue. It doesn't scream overtly town, but it does seem reasonable. --> Somewhat Town (+1) / Somewhat Content (+1)

13. 789 --> Laughs about Nero's post -->

Completely useless. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

14. 792 --> Says Ramcius is tunnelling -->

And back we are to no-content!you. Ugh. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

15. 794 --> Dares people to lynch him -->

Typical WIFOM and other shenanigans that both town and scum employ. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

16. 1047 --> "I am back" -->

100% fluff, 0 content --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

17. 1048 --> Townread creature for something in faction pt but don't wanna say cuz people might jump -->

Explain to me how this makes logical sense. How can you townread a post yet think others will jump (aka scumread) him based on that post? --> Suspicious (-1) / Null (0)

18. 1305 --> Asks why Creature wants to incriminate you -->

Another useless post. And not a single real scumread in this ISO yet. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

19. 1309 --> Asks if Rb finds him scummy -->

See above comments. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

20. 1376 --> "I am bored" -->

Says the one who has done absolutely nothing thi game. If you are bored, why don't you change that by providing some actual content? --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

21. 1377 --> Didn't mean to say that aloud -->

But you did. And you are still doin' nothin' 'bout it. --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

22. 1383 --> "You wanna start a new wagon?" -->

Tone is too ggressiv here for my likes given what Alban has done. That said, 1377 is by no means a slip. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

23. 1384 --> Can't remember why he voted Ramcius -->

Zero content. Pretty much active lurking at this point. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

24. 1385 --> "This was for rb" -->

Spamming a bit, don't you think? See above. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

25. 1436 --> Says he has nothing substandial to contribute at the moment among other things -->

I don't like this post. 50+ pages in and nothing to say throughout the game? No. --> Suspicious (-1) / Active Lurking (-3)

26. 1438 and 1462 --> Not relevant to this game.

27. 1473 --> Scumreads: Ari y someone else -->

Elaborate. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

28. 2011 y 2031 --> Stuff to the mod.

Alignment Score: 0
Activity Score: -29 over 28 items --> ~1.0357
Base Score: (0 - 1.0357)(1.0357) ~ -1.0727
Adjusted Score: -0.2145

Final Score: -34.52% --> Neutral Leaning Scum

Creature and Mewtaph are definitely town.
Wheme, momo, and Ramcius are probably town.
Keyser is lurking and more likely to be scum.
Zakk is town.
Alban is Neutral Scum.
Uzi is Neutral Scum.
Shos is possibly scum.
Rb is scum.

[Hikari Link]

So far, these are the people who express a potential willingness to move on Keyser:

Creature
shos
Nero Cain
Hikari Link
zakk

In addition, Peregrine says he's willing to look into Keyser. That's potentially 6 votes.

[zakk]

[3][L-4] Nero Cain: Lil Uzi Vert, momo, shos,

but they are still voting me. If you think I'm a wrong lynch why are you comfortable with them voting me? Shouldn't you be trying to get them off my wagon just as much as you are trying to get others off your wagon?

I have to go soon. I expect to see case on someone with detailed reasoning why they are scum by the time I get back.

I don't think your wagon is going to go through without my vote or my support. shos I think will follow my reasoning, and I think if momo sees a good alternative he will join too. He hasn't really done much of anything this game except whine about people on his wagon, and then make posts here and there... I was the main driving force behind your wagon; notice as soon as I unvoted, so did Hikari?

If we work together and find a better alternative than one of us two (i.e. Ramcius would be my choice... his posts to me, parroting things you said but in a totally scummy way, and voting me, but then lining up your and my lynches... just felt SLIMY AF and gave me huge scum pings... but I doubt we could swing a Ramcius wagon today, given he's in Dauntless and we probably wouldn't get support from Keyser/LUV... )

Speaking of Keyser/LUV... I don't know why we all considered them for scum at some point, but Ramcius has never really been on the table for discussion. Why is that?

Anyway hit me back when you get back. You'll see some cool shit by then I hope I'll be on and off myself.

[zakk]

So far, these are the people who express a potential willingness to move on Keyser:

Creature
shos
Nero Cain
Hikari Link
zakk

In addition, Peregrine says he's willing to look into Keyser. That's potentially 6 votes.

I would rather lynch Ramcius, Aronis, and LUV (and maybe even Wheme) than Keyser at this point.

[zakk]

I'll let you know about Wheme in a second

[Ramcius]

Ramcius - looks increasingly like he's scum trying to line up me/Nero in whatever order possible, for whatever reasoning possible

first, i told many times Nero is my townlean and i rather not lynch him, as for you, i said many times too, it was PoE from early D4, it not looks like Pere or Aronis are possible to lynch, so i have to settle on your lynch

[zakk]

Whemestar's appearances in scum ISOs

(Sorry, woulda spoilered this, but there are spoilers in it, and the code breaks)

Why not.
VOTE: Whemestar

RadiantMoonlight had 3 before your vote. Including himself

I have 5.

Zakk, Radiant, Ramcias, and BTD6 make 4 before my vote.

Zakk is voting me.

I missed that he changed votes.

Anyways, Ircher's vote was lazy so he can have my vote for now.

How does lazy indicate scum?

VOTE: Wheme

Let me get this straight Wheme:

1. I make an RVS vote on Radiant w/ a comment about bandwagoning
2. You comment that the vote was bad simply because more people were voting you at the time.
3. We go back and forth a little on the issue.
4. You vote me way after you initially call me out on the issue with the comment that my vote was lazy.
5. When called out for your late vote, you if honestly mattered
6. When I asked you how being lazyng implies I'm scum, you evade the point by stting that lazy doesn't imply town.

Tell me how this doesn't read as suspicious on your side?

VOTE: Wheme

Lil late to be listening to my advice isn't it?

See above.

UNVOTE:
Wheme is not an alt. I would describe his play as "eh whatever" type of player. The games I have read he says and does stupid shit. I'm not lynching him for this.

Wheme is an alt and hasn't done anything stupid

Wrong

Wheme is an alt and hasn't done anything stupid

Wrong

I disagree

I'm giving you a fact, not an opinion

So 1-3 is not suspicious at all. Don't know why you included them but eh.
Do you not find lazy votes suspicious? If not, why not?
Its hard for me to explain why I read you as scum for being lazy, so I just won't explain it.

1-3 are for completeness.

Lazy votes

during RVS

are not suspicious at all because it is

RVS

.

Wheme is an alt and hasn't done anything stupid

Wrong

I disagree

I'm giving you a fact, not an opinion

You can't know he's not an alt and the stupid thing is entirely subjective. What has he done that's stupid?

He's my son. I talked him into playing.

viewtopic.php?t=70799&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go - Here's a scum game of Momo's. He replaced in @ page 72.

viewtopic.php?p=8926674#p8926674 - Here was a game where he replaced in as town. Page 61

You can notice the differences in his play just by opening posts.

Not really. Maybe a little bit less involved in the scum one.

Momo on the otherhand reads as inexpeienced.

Why would you read Momo this way but not wheme?

Momo on the otherhand reads as inexpeienced.

Why would you read Momo this way but not wheme?

Possibly confirmation bias. Wheme's posts don't have quite the same atmosphere though.

VOTE: Whemestar

For not voting

Does it matter?

What does this mean??

Everything matters.

If you are not able to share reasoning, it means that either the reasoning I scummy or you have no reason but mislynch.

Wow momo that post is bad

No it is not.

BTW, I started the wagon on Wheme as an rvs push. Why did people commit to it so hard??? I will be trying to find scum on that wagon??

Also, Not seems very flip floppy, trying to please everyone. First he followed me on wheme and the followed wheme on me. Looks like he wants to please everyone so that he is not lynched.

VOTE: NotMafia

Sorry, I meant can someone who is not scum (wheme/not) give me their thoughts........

Guys unlike some of you people I am actively trying to solve the game. Not and Nero pushing the Wheme wagon that I meant as rvs strikes me as scummy. Thoughts on this????

You vote whemestar
You question him and his actions
You call it an RVS and people voting it are scumy
Then you call wheme and NotMafia scumy
Then you call it RVS again

That's my problem with it.
VOTE: Momo

I wasn't following the reasoning for Neo but if his entire point is because of a delayed vote by wheme then I agree that's a stretch. It wasn't some random vote. It's something he used reasoning with. I think that should give him more town cred confronting and going head to head. If he would have voted someone else randomly, I could see that as suspicious but he didn't.

I was reading Wheme as scummy from before his delayed vote so its not the whole reason.

But it is a reason?
If he did vote immediately would you still have the same read?

Also, I'd rather vote someone I'm not finding town.

Even if it means starting a vanity wagon.

It's early and any wagon can happen, just put your vote into it and maybe someone will join you and bam, a wagon appeared.

[4] momo: Not_Mafia, Radiant Moonlight, zakk, Srceenplay,
[3] Nero Cain: Elena Fisher, Mewtaph, Keyser Söze,
[3] Not_Mafia: Aristophanes, momo, Ramcius,
[2] WhemeStar: Nero Cain, Ircher,
[2] Transcend: PenguinPower, WhemeStar,

If I had to join one of these wagons, I guess only Transcend's I would join.

I read these as you are starting vanity wagon because you town read the others.
Why would you join a transcend wagon?

[post=Wheme]Wheme[/post]

Bloody spammer. 70+ posts. 3 pages out of 16 are yours. My priority is to hunt for spammers before hunting for scums.

This can die for being extremely anti-town.
VOTE: Alban

[post=Wheme]Wheme[/post]

Bloody spammer. 70+ posts. 3 pages out of 16 are yours.

My priority is to hunt for spammers before hunting for scums

.

Don't you think a replacement is more advisable if you think this is true? Why chase a policy lynch on D1, when the great harvest has already begun?
I will take this as an avoidance to present your scum reads.

That's highly presumptuous. Why would you think I have not already presented my reads?

I don't think you have presented your reads, and this make me want to return to wagoning you.

Let's see...
Alban prob scum

Reasons.
Everyone who is voting for me or is suspecting me based on my vote for Wheme, I pity you. I am not lashing out but this is what I genuinely think. If one post can change your mind about whom to vote and who is worth suspecting, you are not only clueless about where you are in the game, but you second my point that these 20 pages of scumhunting -- if you can call it that -- are worthless.

Or maybe the fact that you haven't gave anything in 20 pages besides a vote on me that was purely based on the # of posts I have

100% agree with Wheme here.

You vote whemestar
You question him and his actions
You call it an RVS and people voting it are scumy
Then you call wheme and NotMafia scumy
Then you call it RVS again

The wagon STARTED with an rvs vote. 2nd post of p.2 I think.

Anyway, Wheme started reacting a bit scummy so I questioned him.

Then it suddenly became a huge deal and it looked like an early lynch was a possibility.

I stopped then because short D1 mislynch is never good for town.

Better safe than sorry.

Nero and Not seemed TOO eager.

Happy??????

Ok, here we go.... (Sorry if I'm very incoherent...)

Spoiler: Momo ISO - Day 1

1. 111 --> Confronts Wheme on his "Does it matter?" post -->

I feel like the majority of us would agree that this is a decent if not good post from Momo. Wheme's post definitely causes people to question his motives, and Momo's post highlights that suspicion. --> Townish (+1)

2. 128 - Responds to Wheme's 113, talks about the buildup of the Wheme wagon, and then switches topics and votes Not_Mafia for wagon-hopping -->

The response to Wheme's post was acceptable -- Wheme's post was kinda bad (though not scummy) imo. The rest of the post is.... not so great. You may have started the Wheme wagon, but you didn't propel it forward. What propelled it was Wheme and Not_Mafia asking people to vote Wheme. Your concern for its buildup seems exaggerated. The argument you used to attack Not_Mafia is a very questionable argument, and yet, I feel it's an argument that comes from inexperience.

TL;DR :

Weak post w/ exaggerated concern about Wheme wagon and a questionable attack on Not_Mafia --> Suspicious (-1)

3. 208 --> Trying to solve game, etc. -->

I disagree with your assertion that you are trying to solve the game. You are somewhat trying, but you are also ignoring everythng else that happens -- in other words, you have confimation bias. Tunneling, while not necessarily a bad thing, allows you to forget the big picture. It comes more often from town, but the way you are pursuing it is making me have my doubts. Really hard to explain -- gut says there's something off about this tunnel you are pursuing. --> Suspicious (-1)

While there could be more to say about individual posts, its kinda hard to, so I think I'm gonna wrap this up with overall things I'm noticing:

1. Lots of confirmation bias
2. Very little and usually weak explanations for reads
3. Though never a reliable tell, it feels "Too scummy to be scum".

VOTE: Momo

Why do you vote Momo now?

Momo, Wheme, and Nero are who you should pay attention to.

Is 'alban' the 'Yume' in this scenario?

There were 2 votes on alban... momo added the third (Wheme and Ircher have since unvoted alban).

No. I thought it was NotMafia. He threw attention there. Granted he gave a reason to it seemed like deflection to me.

Momo not town

@mod thanks for being active with the VCs. Helps a lot

You better have your homework done!

VOTE: Keyser

I'll sheep you Nero because I can't tell if he's scum or not.

VOTE: Keyser

Oh, it worked...

Inb4 one of these flips scum!

Hello, Aristophanes.

Your vote is still in RVS

. Are you trying to sort players in your faction PT?


You have offered two (town?) reads so far (two defences).

On momo:

Because I've never not scumread him, which gives me pause when a wagon on him grown like this!

And WhemeStar:

This whemestar fellow is clearly town tho. Why is this a wagon?

What are your actual thoughts on the arguments used against them? (Your thoughts on them concern only the speed/size of the wagon on them).

Hey Keyser! It's been a while!

Momo is a tough read and I legit always scumread them. Momo was more a moment of pause, but the more i read the morning ei think they may be scum.

Where is still likely to be town, and I've liked what they have posted thus far. Of course, a further analysis of both slots is required, but this is what I have atm.

Spoiler: Longass Keyser Post

Investigation file: momo

BTW, I started the wagon on Wheme as an rvs push. Why did people commit to it so hard??? I will be trying to find scum on that wagon??

My gut-read of this is still negative. The tone feels off. [Something petty: I didn't like his continuous use of multiple/excessive question marks ("??"), but he used them as town in our last game together, so less annoyed with them now]

Also, Not seems very flip floppy, trying to please everyone. First he followed me on wheme and the followed wheme on me. Looks like he wants to please everyone so that he is not lynched.

I personally don't read flip-flopping behaviour as scum indicative during early/RVS D1 play. But ok, I can see why someone would scum-read that behaviour in isolation.

Okay momo is scum we can speed lynch this

Even more proof for my case....

Ok, potentially OMGUS-fueled reaction to Not_Mafia's wagon-pushing.

Can somebody please tell me their thoughts on the case on Not??

It seems more solid than the nero one to me....

momo is confident on his Not_Mafia scum-case ranking it more solid than the scum-case on Nero Cain! Is this town-momo taking pride in his own scum-case on a player?

Where is the town???????

Guys unlike some of you people I am actively trying to solve the game. Not and Nero pushing the Wheme wagon that I meant as rvs strikes me as scummy. Thoughts on this????

Real or false frustration?

At the time of reading I thought all of this was scum-theatre (scum-distancing gone wrong).

I would tell you to play to you wincon but your acting as if your wincon is mislynching townies.

Again, I don't believe the tone/sincerity of this post.

Happy??????

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

Ok, the

'frustrated' element of his play is now raging up to boiling point

.

VOTE: alban

alban just GAVE AN EXCUSE for mislynching townies

99% scum

"99% scum"? - I don't know about that. Alban did made a questionable decision to hunt for spammers rather then scum, but that is not a "99%" slam-dunk scum-catch.

What happened to your scum-feels on Not_Mafia, Nero Cain and Creature? (still strong?)



Thus, going back to Ircher's two statements:

"The Momo wagon is bad and you guys and gals know it" and "Because he has done nothing highly indicative of scum; he's lynchbait at worst"

...
True, I cannot find anything "highly indicative of scum". Most of my suspicion lies in the fact that I don't believe the tone of his posts as from a townie. momo has been pressuring/questioning players that I too do not town read (Not_Mafia, Nero Cain, Creature, alban), so perhaps my scum-theatre theory is making me blind to momo's actual reads (which are actually similar to mine, if not for the same reasons).

Re-reading his ISO, he doesn't look CAUGHT-SCUM anymore

. My remaining concern is:

is this 'frustrated townie' or 'fake-frustrated'?

QUESTIONS:

1) Has anyone seen TOWN-momo become this frustated before? (Even citing his own town-meta as a defence of being easy lynchbait).
2) Do you think momo taking pride in his Not_Mafia scum-case is alignment indicative? I.e is town-momo more likely to get disheartened if no-one is listening to him?

See what I mean, he's a hard read!
I have seen him get frustrated as town iirc. But momo doesn't get disheartened as town, he just makes more noise until people follow him or lynch him.

435 sucks ass, and makes it obvious Alban and Momo aren't scum together. Either could be though, and from what I have read of Alban, as much as they could be, I done think they are. Momo is far more likely to be scum.

Who wants to talk

Sure, sup?

Oh, I was hoping you'd do that for me :S
I can't say I'm totally caught up yet.

However, sure!

What are your thoughts on the Zakk and Momo wagons, and if you dislike them, who among the voters do you think are scum?
What are your thoughts on Creature's potential intent to shut down the wagons and start fresh ones?

Also, if this game stalls, I'll shut down both wagons and roll a dice to a new wagon.

I think Zakk is town.

Momo is really hard to read. My gut is telling me he is scum, but I keep getting that feeling he could be town. Not against his lynch honestly. The earlier he is gone the better IMO.

So, hard town on Zakk, Momo is what, null? What makes you so willing to lynch him regardless of alignment?

That's a great idea wheme.

Radiant Moonlight gives very little for analysis. Overall they have three votes on Momo. The first was RVS, so I can ignore that. The next two still do not have reasoning attached. (You once claimed that Momo was Town). What is your reasoning for the Momo votes?

Transcend next. Transcend was merely sheeping. From what I can see, they were sheeping Radiant Moonlight, who gave very little in the way of reasoning. Transcend, why did you do this, and do you still agree with it?

PenguinPower gave virtually nothing.

Whemestar next. This is more interesting. It seems as though the main reason is meta. Exactly what is the main difference? I noticed that the Town Momo posted a huge wall very early on. Other than that, there was not much of a difference. If you noticed another difference, please explain it and then show that this is a pattern throughout Momo's games, not just in these two instances.

Why have you not moved your vote throughout the game?

I still vastly prefer an Aristophanes lynch, please stick this out Wheme.

Why RC?

Lol wtf Wheme

Alban isn't worth quoting, but he's been contradictory in this game. First he complains about post counts, claims people are spamming, and even votes Wheme for being active. Then he changes tune, to note the lack of wagons (without actually making a push himself) and complaining he's bored.
The Ramiscus OMGUS is ugly and his OMGUS on me is likewise disgusting. And his "come at me bro" mentality is just weird.

The slip I noted may not be a slip, but this sloot is still not doing much but complain, OMGUS, and make empty posts.

I don't know?
I'm trying to ask how can that happen. What makes it possible.

how we should know, if you refuse claim role?

I'm a Neopolitan and checked wheme last night.

I don't know?
I'm trying to ask how can that happen. What makes it possible.

how we should know, if you refuse claim role?

I'm a Neopolitan and checked wheme last night.

Bullshit.

WhemeStar was obvious town.

Like, really, really obvious town.

Wheme keeps saying Momo is town. Just because.

Weren't you scum reading Mo, Screen? Why did you opt to check Wheme over him?

Because wheme was hard defending him. Checking I thought could possibly be clearing two people.

As Momo continues to avoid direct confrontation can someone explain a town read?
Wheme don't talk about who Town should vig, if scum has a doc or protective they can defend against it.
My solid town reads
Creature
Keyser
RM
Wheme

Scum
Momo
Zakk
Neo

Whemestar is vanilla

Player #1: Alban

--> 32 posts

1. 13 --> "excited" -->

RVS --> Null (0) / Null (0)

2. 236 --> 10 pages, can only catch up in evenings -->

Too early o tell, but this post looks like just excuses --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

3. 275 --> Complains about spam; some other content as well -->

Kinda don't understand what you are saying about me (what reads as naive in my 160?), the rest seems okay, but I feel that the post doesn't cover enough. Honestly though, you read more as just lazy right now. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

4. 392 and 393 --> Vote Wheme for spamming -->

This was brought up before, but it's important to bring it up again in this ISO read as a player read is the sum of the reads I have on each post. Anyway, why are you prioritizing a lynch based on policy over looking for/lynching scum. It's not a huge alarm bell -- town do silly stuff all the time -- but it's an important to understand your perspective, and why you did things. --> Suspicious (-1) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

5. 483 --> Asks why Keyser presumes he hasn't presented his reads yet -->

Maybe because you haven't? I mean, 275 was a start, but you haven't really presented any substandial reads (other than perhaps your policy-based one.) I don't like the hint of an accusatory tone in the post but it's by no means a definitive tell. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

6. 494 --> Stuff concerning people voting him cuz his Wheme vote -->

Tell me this -- why shouldn't people want to policy lynch you for being useless if you want to policy lynch Wheme for spamming? I remember that I was one of the ones who voted you for your vote (which I admit was a bit foolish and policy based), but you have to admit that people are gonna policy vote the ones who play anti-town. The real question is -- why aren't you taking a more proactive stance in the game? You obviously seem to have reads -- why aren't you pursuing them or expounding upon them? Instead, you continue to pursue your Wheme PL to the exclusion of all else. --> Suspicious (-1) / Null (0)

7. 496 --> Admits to little content in his iso, but says it's better thasn the litle content in Wheme's cuz of a lower posting density -->

I would like to know how you can make an RVS vote 200 posts into the game. This post honestly feels like a back-pedal from his vote, but at the same time, it feels town; the entire post reads as transparent and honest. An unvote would be nice (or some reads), but the post does show imo a pro-town outlook, just a controversial one. --> Town (+2) / Null (0)

8. 760 --> Something about wagons stalling -->

Need context.

9. 765 --> Says he's "tempted to vote Momo" and will try to participate more -->

Earlier you said Momo was lynchbait. What caused your stance to change OR am I misreading, and you don't really support the Momo wagon? --> Suspicious (-1) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

10. 766 --> Finds Keyser suspicious ("hunch") -->

Just a hunch? Nothing more? Ah well, can't blame ya; I've kinda been like that all game. No substandial reads, just a few hunches and surface level reads. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

11. 783 --> Ramcius's vote looks like policy but wanna make sure -->

I like this post. Alban admits that the vote is fair if it's policy-based, and rather than OMGUS, he tries to establish a conversation between Ramcius and himself. The approach used here just reads as town. --> Town (+2) / Null (0)

12. 788 --> Refutes Ramcius's scumcase against him and votes Ramcius -->

I think this post takes a fair stance on the issue. It doesn't scream overtly town, but it does seem reasonable. --> Somewhat Town (+1) / Somewhat Content (+1)

13. 789 --> Laughs about Nero's post -->

Completely useless. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

14. 792 --> Says Ramcius is tunnelling -->

And back we are to no-content!you. Ugh. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

15. 794 --> Dares people to lynch him -->

Typical WIFOM and other shenanigans that both town and scum employ. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

16. 1047 --> "I am back" -->

100% fluff, 0 content --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

17. 1048 --> Townread creature for something in faction pt but don't wanna say cuz people might jump -->

Explain to me how this makes logical sense. How can you townread a post yet think others will jump (aka scumread) him based on that post? --> Suspicious (-1) / Null (0)

18. 1305 --> Asks why Creature wants to incriminate you -->

Another useless post. And not a single real scumread in this ISO yet. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

19. 1309 --> Asks if Rb finds him scummy -->

See above comments. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

20. 1376 --> "I am bored" -->

Says the one who has done absolutely nothing thi game. If you are bored, why don't you change that by providing some actual content? --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

21. 1377 --> Didn't mean to say that aloud -->

But you did. And you are still doin' nothin' 'bout it. --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

22. 1383 --> "You wanna start a new wagon?" -->

Tone is too ggressiv here for my likes given what Alban has done. That said, 1377 is by no means a slip. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

23. 1384 --> Can't remember why he voted Ramcius -->

Zero content. Pretty much active lurking at this point. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

24. 1385 --> "This was for rb" -->

Spamming a bit, don't you think? See above. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

25. 1436 --> Says he has nothing substandial to contribute at the moment among other things -->

I don't like this post. 50+ pages in and nothing to say throughout the game? No. --> Suspicious (-1) / Active Lurking (-3)

26. 1438 and 1462 --> Not relevant to this game.

27. 1473 --> Scumreads: Ari y someone else -->

Elaborate. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

28. 2011 y 2031 --> Stuff to the mod.

Alignment Score: 0
Activity Score: -29 over 28 items --> ~1.0357
Base Score: (0 - 1.0357)(1.0357) ~ -1.0727
Adjusted Score: -0.2145

Final Score: -34.52% --> Neutral Leaning Scum

Creature and Mewtaph are definitely town.
Wheme, momo, and Ramcius are probably town.
Keyser is lurking and more likely to be scum.
Zakk is town.
Alban is Neutral Scum.
Uzi is Neutral Scum.
Shos is possibly scum.
Rb is scum.

[zakk]

Ramcius - looks increasingly like he's scum trying to line up me/Nero in whatever order possible, for whatever reasoning possible

first, i told many times Nero is my townlean and i rather not lynch him, as for you, i said many times too, it was PoE from early D4, it not looks like Pere or Aronis are possible to lynch, so i have to settle on your lynch

I could definitely do an Aronis lynch.

I wouldn't lynch PV today.

[zakk]

BTD6_maker's appearances in scum ISOs

(they never had a chance to mention

ThinkBig

or

Aronis

)

RadiantMoonlight had 3 before your vote. Including himself

I have 5.

Zakk, Radiant, Ramcias, and BTD6 make 4 before my vote.

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

momo

momo already has a wagon, has had one throughout the game, and wasn't a choice.

'Kay, w're flashwagoning Penguin then.
VOTE: Penguin

Sure, sup?

Why haven't you caught up yet?

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

part of me is like "ewww lurker lynches" and then the other half is like "well I could see some scum intent to lurk it out and be useless"

Been working and general end of the school year stuff. I'll finish my read up very soon I'm sure, but I'm trying to stay as relevant as possible while I do.

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

VOTE: Ircher

Explain why.

I voted Ircher because _____________________________.

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

VOTE: Ircher

Explain why.

I voted Ircher because _____________________________.

I voted Ircher because

he is scum

______________.

Explain why.

Ircher is scum because __________________________________________.

Radiant Moonlight gives very little for analysis. Overall they have three votes on Momo. The first was RVS, so I can ignore that. The next two still do not have reasoning attached. (You once claimed that Momo was Town). What is your reasoning for the Momo votes?

Transcend next. Transcend was merely sheeping. From what I can see, they were sheeping Radiant Moonlight, who gave very little in the way of reasoning. Transcend, why did you do this, and do you still agree with it?

PenguinPower gave virtually nothing.

Whemestar next. This is more interesting. It seems as though the main reason is meta. Exactly what is the main difference? I noticed that the Town Momo posted a huge wall very early on. Other than that, there was not much of a difference. If you noticed another difference, please explain it and then show that this is a pattern throughout Momo's games, not just in these two instances.

Why have you not moved your vote throughout the game?

Interesting. We coul lynch BTD6, but it isn't a very productive lynch given who BTD6 is.

Ircher, where are you at?

Not w/ this game as I need to be. Despite how much time I may seem to have (and definitely used to have), school is catching up with me and is starting to be stressful. Furthemore, I just don't have the drive to try to sort through ISOs at the moment. Also, I signed up for too many games.

Ircher, why were you voting rb?

? I wasn't voting rb unless you are referring to the distant past.

Ircher, how well do you know BTD6_Maker?

Decent enough to know he's very likely ML bait right now. I'm not imoressed w/ him rn, but I reserve further judgedment.

Ircher, how's your PT going?

Fairly quiet, but I townread everyone posting there, including Zakk.

Ircher, what's your opinion on every player sticking with their birth factions?

I think that's no fun and not a foolproof idea. I like the idea of using serums N1 a lot more tbh, and giving people the freedom to change factions if they wish.

Transcend is scum and Nero is possibly town.

BTD6 is null.

[Nero Cain]

20 players- 15 town, 5 scum

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=68384
^
Was a 21 player, 4 groupscum, 1 traitor, 1 sk

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67645
^
20 player, 4 group scum

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67071
^
21 player, 5 group scum

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=65890
^
21 player, 4 group scum, 1 sk

could you like me to a 20 player game that had 5 scum in it?

This worries the shit out of me. Yes, Zakk said the same thing and I thought it was dumb then too. I don't think I've ever seen a 5/15 setup. I don't think its impossible but I feel the evidence is clearly lacking for an SK and EVEN if there was an SK there's no fucking way this is only 3 team scum. There's a 4th.

[Creature]

When someone's just gonna quote a bunch of posts...

[Ramcius]

Speaking of Keyser/LUV... I don't know why we all considered them for scum at some point, but Ramcius has never really been on the table for discussion. Why is that?

because i wouldn't bus 2 of my scumbuddies D1 - i brought Ari and Srceen as candidates for serum, pushed Ari's wagon at end of D1, and it was my initiative to follow Srceen N1

[Nero Cain]

I would rather lynch Ramcius, Aronis, and LUV (and maybe even Wheme) than Keyser at this point.

of those, I'd only lynch LUV. I still don't exactly trust you and I don't really want to lynch ppl that find you scummy. If you are scum them lynching/nightkilling those that think you are scum is playing to your wincon. LUV seems like the only person that you are willing to lynch that's not scumreading you.

[zakk]

After reading that in 294 posts, ALL THREE of Aristophanes, Ircher, and Screenplay only mention or respond to BTD6_maker SIX TIMES... clearly shows something.

When scum are under pressure, they try to point out lurkers and easy targets. BTD6 was both. He wasn't even a thought in their minds... they just said he was null and ignored him. And then once, Ircher asked him why he hadn't moved his vote throughout the entire game... but then never followed up on it. This reads more as scum prodding scum to do something, while also being like "hey look townies, I'm noticing bad things about this person!" ... instead of being like "BT6 hasn't moved his vote all game, and he's lurking, let's lynch him!"

I think Aronis is the last groupscum.

[zakk]

After reading that in 294 posts, ALL THREE of Aristophanes, Ircher, and Screenplay only mention or respond to BTD6_maker SIX TIMES... clearly shows something.

When scum are under pressure, they try to point out lurkers and easy targets. BTD6 was both. He wasn't even a thought in their minds... they just said he was null and ignored him. And then once, Ircher asked him why he hadn't moved his vote throughout the entire game... but then never followed up on it. This reads more as scum prodding scum to do something, while also being like "hey look townies, I'm noticing bad things about this person!" ... instead of being like "BT6 hasn't moved his vote all game, and he's lurking, let's lynch him!"

I think Aronis is the last groupscum.

@nero: Read this and do your own research here

[zakk]

Speaking of Keyser/LUV... I don't know why we all considered them for scum at some point, but Ramcius has never really been on the table for discussion. Why is that?

because i wouldn't bus 2 of my scumbuddies D1 - i brought Ari and Srceen as candidates for serum, pushed Ari's wagon at end of D1, and it was my initiative to follow Srceen N1

I typically hate "if i was scum i wouldn't / wouldn't have ..." arguments...

but... I understand where you're coming from.


So... please read what I have posted on Aronis. And opine thereon.




I think I just needed a kick in the pants.
And something felt wrong about me and Nero being the two main wagons... MOSTLY since we are the two most active players.

[Nero Cain]

So why are you not voting him?