Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Qrow and Raven]

That is true in the case of one post but it’s also somewhat because I’m tone-deaf and the sort of things I did see felt like just casual ribbing

-Qrow

I mean, some of it probably was... but I have a bit of paranoia around your slot. Probably due to you being in a hydra throwing me off.

- House

:thonk:
Is this hydras throwing you off thing a consistent issue?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Btw since we’re relitigating this subject idg how Toog’s post was even that LAMISTy

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Who are your top 8 raiders, regardless of whether they want on or not?

Most comfortable being on raid:

Mandelbrot (House + Yume)
Romance
Sakura Hana
Titus
dwlee99
mastina

Acceptable

Whemestar
Bell

Eh.

RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky)
Save The Dragons
Head One and Head Two (T3 + ManateeGal)

(Not listed is preferably excluded)

Okay this isn’t as incongruous as I thought, I’d recalled one of the other hydrae being in the “most comfortable” group but that was just you adding yourself to it

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Btw since we’re relitigating this subject idg how Toog’s post was even that LAMISTy

-Qrow

I view any Captain Obvious, pro-town suggestions/viewpoints LAMIST.

- House

Meh, seems like a fundamental disagreement. And I still think the Wheme post seems more out of line for his personality than what Toog posted.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

my scum pool rn
(qrow and raven, elsa, wheme, head one and head two, Romance, Mirio)
and actually save the dragons has been lackluster so they can go in there too

lmao I swear to god that last line was not provoked by save the dragons' last post

StD probtown
-Qrow

I've the opposite read on that.

You DO know that SirCakez has a habit of bussing, right?

Yes, he's tried a lot to actively change his scum meta--bussing included.

But he still has the tendency to distance from scumbuddies, and his STD interaction is precisely the sort of scum distancing SirCakez tends to fall back into whenever he isn't careful enough.

I am crucially aware of that, yes, but that sort of OMGUSy reaction just doesn’t feel in line with how partners interact on a fundamental level. That requires them to have some rather broken comm lines in scum chat.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

The Elsa vote I could absolutely see as a distancing attempt though, that felt flat AF

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

And yet Elsa also vibes with me for that last post feeling like how I handled strat sort of treatment in The Thing Mafia, and just how town react to being blocked from engaging in the mechanical element of a game in general
My scumdar feels completely broken

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

And yet Elsa also vibes with me for that last post feeling like how I handled that sort of treatment in The Thing Mafia, and just how town react to being blocked from engaging in the mechanical element of a game in general
My scumdar feels completely broken

-Qrow

EBWOP, normally I let these slide but the gaffe was so far from what I meant to write I had to fix it

[Qrow and Raven]

I understood that reference. <3

I knew you would

Also, Noraa’s plan seems alright, I think I’d most like Mandelbrot to be the backup taking Cakez’s place but am not wholly opposed to it being us or Dwlee.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I understood that reference. <3

I knew you would

Also, Noraa’s plan seems alright, I think I’d most like Mandelbrot to be the backup taking Cakez’s place but am not wholly opposed to it being us or Dwlee.

-Qrow

I appreciate the vote of confidence, but I have no problems with being excluded if a townie that can benefit from the raid wants the can make better use of the slot.

I'm a team player.

- House

I’m envisioning the sort of meltdown Mirio is having in the dead PT rn.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

You know what, I’ll bite.
VOTE: Raid

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

So Join Raid is only for applicable players? Is that said in role pm?

If you mean this then I don’t get it.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Cakez just looks like he’s scrambling for an out atp

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I’m envisioning the sort of meltdown Mirio is having in the dead PT rn.

Why?

- House

You've kinda told all about what you are, I think

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I just think it's 95% that Romance is scum
But I was 100% sure Andante was scum and look where that fucking went

Cakez's thought process on whether Romance is or isn't scum doesn't feel consistent, in one breath he's trying to reconcile ways that the result can be borked and in the next he's like "I think Romance is just scum"
It reads like trying to walk a tightrope

Also, there's another unexplored avenue that I think Cakez should have maybe considered if he's town, though idk if it's possible

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I targeted Cakez. A redirect would fail by virtue of his own claim which again... no reason for him to be misunderstood. He keeps trying to get me to out it because he wants my role and not to reason with me lol.

okay so it's straight up not possible for this to be possible atp so I'll tell what I thought cakez should have considered, it's that if he thought Romance was a Watcher and that there was a chance of redirection that he could have been redirected to the kill

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I did some flavor research of my own and I could see the ascetic part of the role claim but not the Vanilla Cop

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Raid

Raid Queue - Ifrit

Success bonus for raid completion:

Gains strongwilled/strongarm (uninterruptable) for one night

Queue:

1. Dwlee99
   
2. RealCheeks
   
3. Bell
   
4. Elsa Jay
   
5. SirCakez
   
6. Sakura Hana
   
7. Romance
   
8. tictac

Backup

1. Tomorrow Corporation
   
2. Toogeloo
   
3. Mystic Bears
   
4. Qrow and Raven

1. Mystics
2. Romance
3. Sakura Hana
4. Tommorow
5. Qrow and Raven (thinking about it I don't think having mastina on is called for)
6. Bell
7. Realcheeky
8. SirCakez
9. Dwlee99

tictac EJ and toogeloo all need to exit the raid queue for this to pass

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

what would be an improvement for you

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

what would be an improvement for you

-Qrow

if elsa gives way to bears I'll give way to H12.

who would you have H1H2 replace in that list, us?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Replace scummiest person with them

i suppose so, i was thinking in terms of current comp.
I don't really trust you with it, if that is what you are asking.
pedit: @ Qrow

>_<

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm okay being off if wanted but I dislike this assertion that we're scummier than the group of people on the raid rn

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

between you and tictac that's very evidently what you're saying.
If not us, then who do you think is the scummiest person in the plan?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

VC 2.04

SirCakez (8):

Romance, Sakura Hana, Dwlee99, Mandelbrot, tictac, Qrow and Raven, Save The Dragons, Toogeloo

WhemeStar (1):

RealCheeks

Tomorrow Corporation (1):

Elsa Jay

Save The Dragons (1):

mastina

Romance (1):

SirCakez

Not Voting:

Tomorrow Corporation, Head One and Head Two, ArcAngel9, Bell, WhemeStar, Mystic Bears, Titus

With

19

remaining,

10

votes to eliminate

Deadline: (expired on 2021-10-08 20:39:17)

Raid

Raid Queue - Ifrit

Success bonus for raid completion:

Gains strongwilled/strongarm (uninterruptable) for one night

Queue:

1. Dwlee99
   
2. RealCheeks
   
3. Bell
   
4. Elsa Jay
   
5. SirCakez
   
6. Sakura Hana
   
7. Romance
   
8. tictac

Backup

1. Tomorrow Corporation
   
2. Toogeloo
   
3. Mystic Bears
   
4. Qrow and Raven

Realm Danger Level: 0

Is this accurate?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

tictac EJ and toogeloo all need to exit the raid queue for this to pass

to be clear: I don't think it's an improvement so I don't intend to out.

Come again? We’re not an improvement over Elsa? Wut

[Qrow and Raven]

Anyway, someone hammer this. Cakez is just evil. Unless we want to shuffle raid more

lol. I didn't even double-vote.
kinda minimalist reads for u thinking u in twilight, no?

I haven't read the last 30 pages and I can't find the WIM too when I'm about to die
And it doesn't feel right dropping reads without having done that

Scummy reaction, town would absolutely want to give reads while they still can.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I moreso mean in the plan

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I moreso mean in the plan

-Qrow

This was @ Dwlee’s last post

[Qrow and Raven]

what would be an improvement for you

-Qrow

if elsa gives way to bears I'll give way to H12.

Why bears not us?

And I’m fine with both obviously but HI2 isn’t even in the queue, so I don’t know how that’s even possible.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

i suppose so, i was thinking in terms of current comp.
I don't really trust you with it, if that is what you are asking.
pedit: @ Qrow

Why not?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm okay being off if wanted but I dislike this assertion that we're scummier than the group of people on the raid rn

-Qrow

I don’t want to respond because Tictac hasn’t given a valid reason why he should be on the raid and not us. If anyone has an issue with us, I want actual reasons for it. This isn’t even about the raid anymore and it’s starting to feel personal.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm okay being off if wanted but I dislike this assertion that we're scummier than the group of people on the raid rn

-Qrow

I don’t want to respond because Tictac hasn’t given a valid reason why he should be on the raid and not us. If anyone has an issue with us, I want actual reasons for it. This isn’t even about the raid anymore and it’s starting to feel personal.

~R

I mean it obviously isn’t but it irks me anytime I get shaded with no explanation given.

[Qrow and Raven]

Ok actually this is easy. we just reorder the whole raid and it'll all be good
Make everyone that is town exit the raid right now. The raid people will be reordered to create a compromise
i propose a raid of
1. Me/Flea
2. Romance
3. Sakura Hana
4. Tommorow
5. Massy
6. Bell
7. Realcheeky
8. SirCakez

This was the original post with the plan. Dwlee is being slotted as the “replacement” for Cakez, and since I doubt mastina cares to join I put us on in her place, but by actual function it’s more like mastina is swapped for Dwlee and we’re the ones taking Cakez’s places after he dies.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Ok actually this is easy. we just reorder the whole raid and it'll all be good
Make everyone that is town exit the raid right now. The raid people will be reordered to create a compromise
i propose a raid of
1. Me/Flea
2. Romance
3. Sakura Hana
4. Tommorow
5. Massy
6. Bell
7. Realcheeky
8. SirCakez

This was the original post with the plan. Dwlee is being slotted as the “replacement” for Cakez, and since I doubt mastina cares to join I put us on in her place, but by actual function it’s more like mastina is swapped for Dwlee and we’re the ones taking Cakez’s places after he dies.

-Qrow

I think there’s absolutely no valid reason we shouldn’t be on this raid over a few slots currently on it but it’s probably not going to happen and the fact that I’m getting shaded by a slot who has done nothing useful so far game has me gobsmacked.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Ok actually this is easy. we just reorder the whole raid and it'll all be good
Make everyone that is town exit the raid right now. The raid people will be reordered to create a compromise
i propose a raid of
1. Me/Flea
2. Romance
3. Sakura Hana
4. Tommorow
5. Massy
6. Bell
7. Realcheeky
8. SirCakez

This was the original post with the plan. Dwlee is being slotted as the “replacement” for Cakez, and since I doubt mastina cares to join I put us on in her place, but by actual function it’s more like mastina is swapped for Dwlee and we’re the ones taking Cakez’s places after he dies.

-Qrow

I think there’s absolutely no valid reason we shouldn’t be on this raid over a few slots currently on it but it’s probably not going to happen and the fact that I’m getting shaded by a slot who has done nothing useful so far game has me gobsmacked.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I didn’t mean to post this twice.

[Qrow and Raven]

Anyway, someone hammer this. Cakez is just evil. Unless we want to shuffle raid more

lol. I didn't even double-vote.
kinda minimalist reads for u thinking u in twilight, no?

I haven't read the last 30 pages and I can't find the WIM too when I'm about to die
And it doesn't feel right dropping reads without having done that

Scummy reaction, town would absolutely want to give reads while they still can.

~R

would anyone even listen? I find that dropping reads before death as miselim tends to get ignored.

If you’re actually a miselim, why would we ignore your reads?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I mean it obviously isn’t but it irks me anytime I get shaded with no explanation given.

I'm not really interested in casing you when I'm not trying to get you yeeted.
I don't need a reason for why I 'deserve' a spot on the raid. I have one, and it's mine unless I choose to give it up.
you are not scummier than Elsa(*), that's why I tried to negotiate for a not!elsa raid, but I

can

just go: "I'm not moving, lol", if it looks like that approach works better.

(*)the intensity of this reaction is

weird

for someone who says they don't really care if they are on the raid or not tho.

Because I honestly don’t think you deserve to be on this raid over us because you’ve pretty much done fucking nothing to warrant it and I 100% stand by this.

Oh and now you’re actually insulting my intelligence here, so I’m going to respectfully ask you to stop.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

To be clear, I’m not cool with a slot who has done very little to advance this game - raid or otherwise - shading me with 0 explanations, which you keep ignoring for some reason.

Even if we’re not on it, I want slots who aren’t just coasting to be on it.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

To be clear, I’m not cool with a slot who has done very little to advance this game - raid or otherwise - shading me with 0 explanations, which you keep ignoring for some reason.

Even if we’re not on it, I want slots who aren’t just coasting to be on it.

~R

Which slot is this?

tictac. Where do they get off shading me and given no reasons for it when they have done absolutely nothing so far in this game. I’m not saying it was fun coming from House but at least it wasn’t off the charts hypocritical.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

There's also the fact that tictac voted Toog earlier toDay but isn't acting on that suspicion now by trying to make sure toog leaves raid as well.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

It's possible
atp T3's clearly indicated he didn't have actual reason to think TC was town, and TC tried to suggest tictac was mechtown D1, but it looks like that was a crockery what with TC claiming doc

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: raid
Phone posting until Tuesday.
Also
VOTE: toog

Please explain why you should be viewed as some beacon of towniness, when you made this post when you were well aware of Romance’s claim.

I think YOU’re the one who’s being “weird” because you only started no explanations shading us when we suggested you not be on the raid and I’m not buying it.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I ISOed tictac because I thought he'd expressed suspicion of us D1 but Nancy is right that he pretty much TRed us for most of it. He seemed to genuinely think we had no mafia PT because of Nancy's entrance, and also liked our way of interacting with aa9 despite not agreeing that aa9 was scum.
However,

vote is cuz disagreed w pretty much entire short iso, and 419 struck me as scummy-complaint to have.

second:

If at least one member of the hostile factions are in the raid group, the said member will decide whether the raid succeeds or fail.

pedit @qrow

I kinda like this post in retrospect, I said the

exact same thing

about 419 seeming like a scummy complaint, albeit having that as my only solid reason to the mom was suspicious rather than a point in a case against mom.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Tictac with Tomorrow? Thoughts?

Possibly, because I don’t believe we have two docs but shading a slot when they suggest you not be on the raid without giving a single reason is seriously scummy. And tictac, who has barely been invested in this game is suddenly adamant about being on the raid. I want to know why and why is he shading me for trying to find that out.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I ISOed tictac because I thought he'd expressed suspicion of us D1 but Nancy is right that he pretty much TRed us for most of it. He seemed to genuinely think we had no mafia PT because of Nancy's entrance, and also liked our way of interacting with aa9 despite not agreeing that aa9 was scum.
However,

vote is cuz disagreed w pretty much entire short iso, and 419 struck me as scummy-complaint to have.

second:

If at least one member of the hostile factions are in the raid group, the said member will decide whether the raid succeeds or fail.

pedit @qrow

I kinda like this post in retrospect, I said the

exact same thing

about 419 seeming like a scummy complaint, albeit having that as my only solid reason to the mom was suspicious rather than a point in a case against mom.

-Qrow

Right, so his sudden 180 on us when we suggest replacing him in the raid makes absolutely no sense.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I was only offsite for > 48 hrs and I didn’t even know that the game had begun.

sorry to bring yer rl into things, but there's an implication here about u not having access to a maf pt 4 pre-game planning that should not be ignored. otherwise game having started probs not a surprise.

I specifically said "first step" in quotation marks to indicate I wasn't trying to draw an exact parallel, but making a point that in any other game the elim is the first major decision of the game, but here it's raid entry

okay, that's not even where ur quotation marks are..
it's so easily checked, i dont even think u intentionally being deceptive, but I also don't think there was a pause for an introspection and a memory between the accusation and the response. it's like u on some weird autopilot.
the earlier thing was me thinking Raven not being aware of gamestart may be a towntell, and i do still think that, but oh man

okay, but Nancy u can trust, so talk things over w her and see which things still make sense.

Fuck! I just ISO’d her and caught her ellitelling.

so i kinda like the agression from you both, and the bit with the heads disagreeing felt real.
this is not how doing an ISO works tho.

so can we yeet mom now?

i suppose so, i was thinking in terms of current comp.
I don't really trust you with it, if that is what you are asking.
pedit: @ Qrow

I mean it obviously isn’t but it irks me anytime I get shaded with no explanation given.

I'm not really interested in casing you when I'm not trying to get you yeeted.
I don't need a reason for why I 'deserve' a spot on the raid. I have one, and it's mine unless I choose to give it up.
you are not scummier than Elsa(*), that's why I tried to negotiate for a not!elsa raid, but I

can

just go: "I'm not moving, lol", if it looks like that approach works better.

(*)the intensity of this reaction is

weird

for someone who says they don't really care if they are on the raid or not tho.

Tictac went from pretty much obvtowning us to this. No progression on our slot, no explanation but as soon as we want to replace them in the raid, he suddenly doesn’t “trust” us.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Idk why, but this whole issue with elsa, tictac, H1/H2 and TC is giving me a bad feeling.

tictac EJ and toogeloo all need to exit the raid queue for this to pass

to be clear: I don't think it's an improvement so I don't intend to out.

He is very clearly saying that he doesn’t think we’re an improvement over Elsa, because if he really didn’t want Elsa in the raid, he wouldn’t have made this post.

And now there’s this “clear” by Cakez on T3, like wtf’s up with that?

And the suspicious doc claim by TC.

Have I possibly solved the game?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I am very confident H1/H2 is town here.

What about tictac, who doesn’t think we’re an “improvement” over Elsa? but doesn’t trust us for reasons he won’t say and I’m somehow being “weird” about having an issue with that? Seriously?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

SirCakez, Nero Tol Scaeva (

Garlean Invader Jack of all Trades

), was eliminated Day 2.

Spoiler: Role PM

Nero Tol Scaeva

Welcome to FFXIV ARR Mafia

You are

Nero Tol Scaeva (

Garlean Invader Jack of all Trades

)

Ability:

• Garlean Chief Engineer:
  During the night you may use following devices once per game.
  • Linkshell Disruptor:
    You may use this ability either during the day or night. This ability will shut down all Private threads for the following phase except the Garlean Invader PT.
    
  • Surveying:
    You may use this ability during the night to learn whether the target is
    Vanilla Eorzean
    or not.
• Garlean Linkshell:
  PT be here

Win Condition:

• All Eorzean factions are eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent reaching the condition.

Final Raid Group

2. Dwlee99

RealCheeks

Bell

Elsa Jay

SirCakez

Sakura Hana

Romance

tictac

Tomorrow Corporation

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm not entirely convinced TC is scum but I do not in any way approve of how those last votes happened.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I feel like it's best to be upfront about this: I think multiple scum were on the raid yesterday. Elsa was likely meant to be the fall guy to take the heat for whoever else was scum on it.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Elsa Jay is town.

Duh.

I was responding to Qrow/Raven vote.

You'd need a mallet to get it through to them.

- House

This is starting to feel personal. Stop it.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Joking doesn't mitigate potential hurt.

@Toog

I don't feel like the events that transpired entirely line up with that idea. It felt like the existing raid comp was the status quo scum wanted to maintain. TC can be scum within that concept but I think scum likely are in the earlier names on it as well.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Joking doesn't mitigate potential hurt.

@Toog

I don't feel like the events that transpired entirely line up with that idea. It felt like the existing raid comp was the status quo scum wanted to maintain. TC can be scum within that concept but I think scum likely are in the earlier names on it as well.

-Qrow

Don't worry. I'll treat you just like a stranger from now on.


- House

idk if that's called for necessarily
I was a bit on edge because of what happened earlier.

So here is the list of 8 people (other than myself) I want on this raid, in descending order.

Romance
Sakura Hana
mastina
Elsa Jay
Qrow and Raven
dwlee
Whemestar
Mandelbrot

This list is a combination of my strongest town reads and those who are almost entirely unlikely to be scum based off of Cakez play.

mehhhh this list is like, mostly good, so although I think it can be improved I'll let it rest

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

And one of the players in there (hint; it's Elsa) was being a blatant scumfuck yesterday, while the other two both look town enough.

This is a pratfall in the making. I direct people again to consider that the entire thread atmosphere got way more static charged when Noraa put out her plan. I’m thinking scum exist on that raid that isn’t Elsa, but Elsa is also scum, and the scum agenda was for him to be flipped and for the town at large to tune out the rest of the raid. And when Noraa came in with a raid comp that didn’t include Elsa, scum probably got real hot and bothered about making sure things didn’t happen in a way that would disclose some meant to go deep was possibly scum.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Who among the late voters are scum?

I’m thinking it’s Arc or TC. Don’t think it’s both because there felt like there was a disjoint in the votes.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Elsa Jay was already a prime suspect

(without the raid fail taken into account).

Why the fuck would Elsa NOT fail the raid as scum?

In contrast,

why the fuck would not-Elsa scum fail the raid?

If we eliminate Elsa today (which we should) and

if Elsa doesn't flip scum,

that blows their cover

. Is revealing that they're scum really worth a mislim on a player who is likely to eat the elimination even if they let the raid succeed? Fuck no it isn't.

The ONLY player with an incentive to make the raid fail is Elsa Jay.

Today

on D3 we were likely going to eliminate Elsa regardless of yesterday's raid succeeding or failing.

If we eliminate Elsa and yesterday's raid succeeded,

the names on the raid would be pseudocleared

.
If we eliminate Elsa and Elsa flips scum, yesterday's raid failing makes sense.
If we eliminate Elsa and Elsa flips town, then yesterday scum making the raid fail is literally gamethrowing from them because it exposes that there is scum in a group we otherwise would have reason to believe was scum-free. (See above.)

QED, the ONLY explanation for the raid failing is Elsa is scum.

Gonna quote this again with added clarity/emphasis because I reiterate this.

Scum in the raid who is NOT Elsa Jay is gamethrowing because we were likely going to yeet Elsa Jay anyway. And then what happens when Elsa Jay would flip town? The scum who had minimal-to-zero focus on them prior to the raid failing and an Elsa flip now has a laser focus on them because we know the pool has a scum within.

Scum in the raid who is NOT Elsa Jay had every reason to let the raid succeed--we can yeet Elsa Jay without the raid failing, and then what happens when Elsa Jay would flip town? Nothing, the scum if anything on the raid would be considered town.

But scum being Elsa Jay has the motive to do so because Elsa Jay knows that Elsa's going to, with a high probability, be yeeted. If you're going to be yeeted anyway, you've nothing to lose by making the raid fail.

I think scum were always failing that raid once Cakez got guiltied. There was a TI and TP both on there, scum basically had to either fail it or get trampled. By keeping Elsa on it, they ensure that there’s an obvious explanation for the failure and hope that no one thinks twice about it. The resistance to the plan felt specifically aimed at maintaining status quo of the original raid comp more or less intact. Anything else was more than likely detrimental to them.

-Qrow

Got PEdited, I agree with what mastina just posted. Elsa is basically always scum here, so we yeet him today. Hopefully tomorrow we have more info to sort the other raiders by.

[Qrow and Raven]

idk if that's called for necessarily
I was a bit on edge because of what happened earlier.

May I ask, or is that too personal?

I wasn't out to legit insult you. I was just poking you for belaboring the Radio Buzz crap as long as you have been doing. Sorry.

- House

I felt legitimately stunned that you SRed me during D2. The bit about beating it into my head felt like you were still trying to imply I might be scum, but the violent imagery just seemed uncalled for in that instance, you could have just said “I doubt Qrow cares”.

That’s

why I said it felt personal, and tbh it was in a way a personal thing, you were still upset about me beating on about the Radio Buzz thing (despite my take actually accepting your points) so you made a comment about how long it took to make me to concede to your point. So no hard feelings, but maybe try to make it more tangible where you’re calling something suspicious vs. just poking at it.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I mean it's not as bad as katsuki claiming masons with scum and then getting janitored, but why else would they be janitored in the first place.

That was that magical girls UPick I was in and got N1ed in, right?

-Qrow/Gamma

[Qrow and Raven]

Honestly, I don't trust anything that says it's designed to USE OGI to actively affect the game itself.

Sounds very... disallowed to be a thing.

- House

There was a role on my homesite once that was called “External Mason” that was basically a hydra where the person actually playing could communicate with someone else who hadn’t actually queue’d for the game, and was working with the same uninformed perspective the actual player had.

My Day 1 Bell town read has faded, tbqh. It was based on his well known, "scumBell is inactive, townBell is active," meta, and not anything more. Bell is in a swingy territory for me at the moment.

I’m mostly going on faith that Nancy knows how to read Bell. She hasn’t expressed any doubts yet so I’m still believing in Bell!town.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I’m seeing people (well, House) saying Dwlee is cleared, and I fear I may be OOTL? What’s going on?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

on my homesite

I'll be interested if those words change to "here on MS".

Until then, notsomuch.

I mean that’s technically true too as I posted that to Grand Idea Mafia, I think multiple times under different names in fact.
As long as it’s factored into the game’s design, external influences can be allowed in all sorts of ways. There was a game where spectators could actively post in the main thread vs. having to sit and gab in a PT away from the game.

Although T3 actually expressed skepticism of his apparently OGI read?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: Raid
Nancy thinks this is probably a good choice, I’m somewhat inclined to agree.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

...That scum fucking nightkilled and janitored H1H2 to prevent TC from becoming conftown so people would be dumb enough to wagon TC today instead of the actual blatant scum???

There is a plothole with that theory but from your PoV that makes sense.

I haven't voted TC because I want their explanation.

Should we tell mastina a secret?

- House

No not yet. Probably soon. I feel like I have said too much.

Can’t wait to find out what that is.

~Raven

...That scum fucking nightkilled and janitored H1H2 to prevent TC from becoming conftown so people would be dumb enough to wagon TC today instead of the actual blatant scum???

There is a plothole with that theory but from your PoV that makes sense.

I haven't voted TC because I want their explanation.

Should we tell mastina a secret?

- House

No not yet. Probably soon. I feel like I have said too much.

That's me in the corner.

I dreamed I thought I saw you try.

~R

idk if that's called for necessarily
I was a bit on edge because of what happened earlier.

May I ask, or is that too personal?

I wasn't out to legit insult you. I was just poking you for belaboring the Radio Buzz crap as long as you have been doing. Sorry.

- House

I felt legitimately stunned that you SRed me during D2. The bit about beating it into my head felt like you were still trying to imply I might be scum, but the violent imagery just seemed uncalled for in that instance, you could have just said “I doubt Qrow cares”.

That’s

why I said it felt personal, and tbh it was in a way a personal thing, you were still upset about me beating on about the Radio Buzz thing (despite my take actually accepting your points) so you made a comment about how long it took to make me to concede to your point. So no hard feelings, but maybe try to make it more tangible where you’re calling something suspicious vs. just poking at it.

-Qrow

Can you and House get a room?

Sorry not to be insensitive but this is beginning to sound a bit like a lover’s quarrel. XD

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I mean it's not as bad as katsuki claiming masons with scum and then getting janitored, but why else would they be janitored in the first place.

That was that magical girls UPick I was in and got N1ed in, right?

-Qrow/Gamma

How did I miss this? I totally forgot about that game. I’ve been racking my brain how raid failed and T3 gets killed over both a hardclaimed cop and doc. Sure it’s possible T3 is scum and did this only crazy gambit and his buddies killed him to cover it but I thought he was probably town, so it just sounded closer to tin foil. I think it’s definitely possible that Sakura could be onto something with that. I think it makes the most sense. Unless they were not actually the taeget and like in me v Titus, there’s some kind of switching type of role, which would actually be hilarious if that turned out to be the case.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Honestly, I don't trust anything that says it's designed to USE OGI to actively affect the game itself.

Sounds very... disallowed to be a thing.

- House

There was a role on my homesite once that was called “External Mason” that was basically a hydra where the person actually playing could communicate with someone else who hadn’t actually queue’d for the game, and was working with the same uninformed perspective the actual player had.

My Day 1 Bell town read has faded, tbqh. It was based on his well known, "scumBell is inactive, townBell is active," meta, and not anything more. Bell is in a swingy territory for me at the moment.

I’m mostly going on faith that Nancy knows how to read Bell. She hasn’t expressed any doubts yet so I’m still believing in Bell!town.

-Qrow

Unless there’s actual evidence Bell’s scumgame has suddenly dramatically improved, I’m sticking with that read. i was buddies with him in Pooky v FL and he was flaming obvscum in Happy Face, so I’d be extremely shocked if he flipped scum here.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I’m seeing people (well, House) saying Dwlee is cleared, and I fear I may be OOTL? What’s going on?

-Qrow

I don’t think anyone but the two hardclaimed prs are clear but I don’t see my vote going anywhere other than tiictac, TC ot Elsa today or possibly Arc - less keen on that though but I don’t like how the lim was rammed through when we hadn’t finished deciding the raid.

Rn, I lean tictac but if Titus has an actual guilty on TC, I could switch to that. I know Gamma’s voting Elsa and I can totally understand why but it just seems strange to me that sa would be so heavily sr for being on that raid and have it fail. I played with scum!Elsa ages ago and is it in her meta to sacrifice himself like that as scum? He already has this hugmonguous target on his back, so he tries to make it even bigger? I would just feel really stupid if I fell for this and he still wound up flipping scum.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Okay so now people want TC cool and theres a soft guilty i am a god at this game

VOTE: tc

On a more serious note here are my current thoughts

Mastinas posts make 0 sense.
TC is scum.
Tictac is town
I townread Toog but I have paranoia that hes scum
Mandelbrot I TR. At least the house side.
Sakura town
Romance town
Elsa probably scum

IDK whos left tbh but theres my readlist any questions for me. Also sorry toog but I dont really care for being on this raid unless Im needed because we think scum is on it.

Why is tactac town? His progression on our slot is absolute shit.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

@mastina I don't it hard to believe that you can read 2644 and not pick up any useful information.

This push is sus as hell.

- House

that post what you meant to reference?

VOTE: Elsa

I thought we weren’t an “improvement” over Elsa.

VOTE: tictac

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I was only offsite for > 48 hrs and I didn’t even know that the game had begun.

sorry to bring yer rl into things, but there's an implication here about u not having access to a maf pt 4 pre-game planning that should not be ignored. otherwise game having started probs not a surprise.

I specifically said "first step" in quotation marks to indicate I wasn't trying to draw an exact parallel, but making a point that in any other game the elim is the first major decision of the game, but here it's raid entry

okay, that's not even where ur quotation marks are..
it's so easily checked, i dont even think u intentionally being deceptive, but I also don't think there was a pause for an introspection and a memory between the accusation and the response. it's like u on some weird autopilot.
the earlier thing was me thinking Raven not being aware of gamestart may be a towntell, and i do still think that, but oh man

okay, but Nancy u can trust, so talk things over w her and see which things still make sense.

Fuck! I just ISO’d her and caught her ellitelling.

so i kinda like the agression from you both, and the bit with the heads disagreeing felt real.
this is not how doing an ISO works tho.

so can we yeet mom now?

i suppose so, i was thinking in terms of current comp.
I don't really trust you with it, if that is what you are asking.
pedit: @ Qrow

I mean it obviously isn’t but it irks me anytime I get shaded with no explanation given.

I'm not really interested in casing you when I'm not trying to get you yeeted.
I don't need a reason for why I 'deserve' a spot on the raid. I have one, and it's mine unless I choose to give it up.
you are not scummier than Elsa(*), that's why I tried to negotiate for a not!elsa raid, but I

can

just go: "I'm not moving, lol", if it looks like that approach works better.

(*)the intensity of this reaction is

weird

for someone who says they don't really care if they are on the raid or not tho.

Tictac went from pretty much obvtowning us to this. No progression on our slot, no explanation but as soon as we want to replace them in the raid, he suddenly doesn’t “trust” us.

~R

When someone has this kind of a progression on their reads, it usually comes from scum. That’s how I caught sheep!scum in Forest Fire.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

tictac EJ and toogeloo all need to exit the raid queue for this to pass

to be clear:

I don't think it's an improvement so I don't intend to out.

what would be an improvement for you

-Qrow

if elsa gives way to bears I'll give way to H12.

Considering Elsa wasn’t even posting and T3 wasn’t anywhere in the queue, I have doubts about this.

i suppose so, i was thinking in terms of current comp.

I don't really trust you with it, if that is what you are asking.

pedit: @ Qrow

I just find all of this a little too convenient.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Okay so now people want TC cool and theres a soft guilty i am a god at this game

VOTE: tc

On a more serious note here are my current thoughts

Mastinas posts make 0 sense.
TC is scum.
Tictac is town
I townread Toog but I have paranoia that hes scum
Mandelbrot I TR. At least the house side.
Sakura town
Romance town
Elsa probably scum

IDK whos left tbh but theres my readlist any questions for me. Also sorry toog but I dont really care for being on this raid unless Im needed because we think scum is on it.

Who do you think is scum on the raid?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

hokay raven, here's the case on you.

day 1:
gamma: is familiar of elsas meta yet his day1 posting about elsa gives easy townpoints for stuff that is fully NAI for elsa (bravery, multiball spec). partner-read or attempt to pocket, currently leanin former.
raven: lied about doing an ISO on AA (described process is not how the site works)
day2:
gamma: was ok
raven: huge reaction to me saying I don't trust them doesn't match them insisting they didn't care if they were on the raid or not. said they wanted contributing slots on the raid, but was fully OK with Tomorrow being included, so I'm calling bull. admittedly I dunno what is the scum motivation to be on the raid given, that buddy already on it.
all of her focus on my read on her("what is tictacs threat-level?") and others reads on me("is he mislynchable?"), none of her focus on whether or not I was town ("

should

i be pushing tictac"), given that 2 slots were claiming info-that-makes-me-town, so its super not rocket-science that I in fact am.

I didn’t lie about jack. Yeah, it makes total sense for me to try so hard to be on a raid that failed.

VOTE: tictac

I am never unvoting this, there is no way in hell this garbage ever comes from town.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I've debated whether I should claim this or not but I figure I should explain WHY I am very much opposed to a TC elimination today:

My role has a method which the scum cannot block, of bypassing the janitor they did on H1H2.

The scum cannot block or otherwise prevent my method of bypassing the janitor (killing me won't stop me from bypassing the janitor and due to the nature of this bypass it is immune to roleblocking), but it requires until the end of N2 in order to function.

In other words.

I very very very strongly do not want y'all to eliminate a slot that I may be able to conftown overnight.

By the start of D3, we will have a much better idea on TC and tictac thanks to my role bypassing the scum's obfuscation.

So fuck the soft guilty--give me one damn night and we might have two hard innocents that the scum can do nothing about.

Also as part of this:

protectives, do NOT protect me!

I don't need to be alive for this--in fact, being protected is actively detrimental given the method by which I can bypass the janitor

. Y'all have better folks to try and protect.

I don’t understand any of this, especially the bolded.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

What's up, homies?

Titus claimed a soft guilty on you but unless I’m convinced, I’m keeping my vote on obvscum.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I've debated whether I should claim this or not but I figure I should explain WHY I am very much opposed to a TC elimination today:

My role has a method which the scum cannot block, of bypassing the janitor they did on H1H2.

The scum cannot block or otherwise prevent my method of bypassing the janitor (killing me won't stop me from bypassing the janitor and due to the nature of this bypass it is immune to roleblocking), but it requires until the end of N2 in order to function.

In other words.

I very very very strongly do not want y'all to eliminate a slot that I may be able to conftown overnight.

By the start of D3, we will have a much better idea on TC and tictac thanks to my role bypassing the scum's obfuscation.

So fuck the soft guilty--give me one damn night and we might have two hard innocents that the scum can do nothing about.

Also as part of this:

protectives, do NOT protect me!

I don't need to be alive for this--in fact, being protected is actively detrimental given the method by which I can bypass the janitor

. Y'all have better folks to try and protect.

I don’t understand any of this, especially the bolded.

~R

I'm trying to figure out why mastina is essentially claiming Mafia Janitor.

- House

I don’t know what to make of any of it.

Spoiler:

Tell your hydra partner about the new roles regarding the “L” word.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm a VT

. I thought I'd claim doc to try and bait the nightkill and protect Romance from being killed. That obviously very quickly backfired when the Sakura CCed...

But I didn't really think a doc would counterclaim in a large game and so haphazardly, why not wait to see whether I live through the night or retract the claim? Well, what's done is done. The gambit didn't really pay off at all.

I've done nothing and had no investment this game, so I thought the easiest way out while being useful was to try and bait the nightkill.

If this is true then Mastina’s claim makes even less sense, I obviously am referring to the bolded

And then there’s Titus’ soft guilty. Something isn’t adding up but I’m not sure what.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: raid

No! I object.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

As in my-role-can-confirm-multiple-townies once someone does something outside of the game.

And I'm waiting for that to happen.
TL;DR
My role implies both tictac and Tc are town but not 100%. If something happens to someone outside of the game then these players can be 100% confirmed town.
idt GIF anticipated this when making my role
-T3

what the....
-T3

My role interacts with the fact that Alisae is in the game under an alt
which is kinda ridiculous
but now Alisae is requesting a self ban
so wtf is going on
-T3

Like seriously what kinda information do you think you can extract that would "clear tictac and TC" with this.

I’m far more likely to believe TC!town than tictac town, because TC isn’t making my scumdar jump off the freaking charts, like tictac. His play is not one I’ve ever seen come from town.

If I have one super confident sr this game, this is it.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Sometimes mech clears and borne of

pure vibes

.

tictac gave off such pure vibes that I wanted to clear him mechanically since faking those vibes would make you some kind of mechanical android killer, and there's no way that pure rabbit could be one.

That ISO is off the charts scummy. Dafuq are you talking about?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Investigative with hard guilty that resulted in flipped scum.

Tracker with soft guilty that turned into mush.

Third hinted investigative with no useful information thus far outed.

This game has a lot of investigative claims.

- House

Titus is a tracker? If TC is vt, then how can they be tracked?

First Mastina and now this. I am really confused.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Tomorrow Corporation
Romance
Sakura
Bell
Tomorrow Corporation
mastina

Boom

Does anyone dare disagree with any of those townreads?

Why do you list your name twice? I’m not ready to call you town just yet. Because then something isn’t making sense with Titus’ claim.

But yes, otherwise I agree with this list - especially Romance, Sakura, Bell.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Man remember that one game where town fake claimed masons with scum and then proceeded to get janitored?
Imagine if someone claims mech clear with 2 players and then gets Janitored.
Imagine if said mech clear is reliant on outside of game information.

Also didnt someone say that H1/H2 is good at making up BS that sounds believable?

You think T3 was scum?

Oh you mean he bs’ as town?

Well it seemed to me that he had some Oog info about Alisae and thought e was in the game and that’s probably what it was based on. So maybe he thought TC is Alisae or something?
~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Sometimes mech clears and borne of

pure vibes

.

tictac gave off such pure vibes that I wanted to clear him mechanically since faking those vibes would make you some kind of mechanical android killer, and there's no way that pure rabbit could be one.

That ISO is off the charts scummy. Dafuq are you talking about?

~R

When you leave the chart, you sometimes wrap back around to being on the chart.

???

I don’t understand what you mean.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Looking at the wiki it says Alisaie has a twin brother. Think that's related at all?

T3 could have been whoever that brother is?

So... Masons? That's all I can think of if he was certain 'Alisae' was town.

Then who did he think Alisae was if not TC?

He referenced something about e contemplating leaving the site and I found evidence of that to be true. Because this exists in a protected part of the site, I probably shouldn’t elaborate too much on that.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Well excuse us for not knowing which alt you are TC.

Wow, you're excused. This is my main.

So Alisae is probably not in this game.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Well excuse us for not knowing which alt you are TC.

Wow, you're excused. This is my main.

So Alisae is probably not in this game.

~R

what made u think TC was Alisae

I didn’t, I just thought if e’s in the game, I don’t know who else it could be.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Also Q&R pushing us D1, D2 then not getting on us today could mean something.

Tictac and TC should resolve with mastina. I don't buy that H1H2 was scum janitored by scum at all. Final readlist from me incoming shortly.
~C

So finally reading the 10+ pages today, a few posts have caught my notice.

I’ll bite Cheeky, what do you think it could mean?

Are you actually not reading any of my posts or what? I have made extremely abundantly and blatantly clear that I think tictac is scum, so why would I push you today?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

As in my-role-can-confirm-multiple-townies once someone does something outside of the game.

And I'm waiting for that to happen.
TL;DR

My role implies both tictac and Tc are town but not 100%.

If something happens to someone outside of the game then these players can be 100% confirmed town.

idt GIF anticipated this when making my role
-T3

My role interacts with the fact that Alisae is in the game under an alt

which is kinda ridiculous
but now Alisae is requesting a self ban
so wtf is going on
-T3

Mastina, I really wanted to quote your post where you mentioned 2353
but for whatever reason everytime I tried to specifically isolate that quote and paste it I kept losing it, so I just finally gave up and just decided to ISO T3 instead.

So, my take on this, is that T3’s reads on TC and tictac are specifically tied to Alisae being an alt and if neither one are Alisae, neither is clear. No one has claimed their main as being Alisae. For all we know, it could be Mirio.

So, if T3 is town, which I think is likely, then these clears somrhow hinge on Alisae still being an alt who is still alive in this game, as well as something happening

outside of the game

. Unfortunately, he didn’t explain wtf Alisae has to do with any of this but if Alisae is not the actual alt of a current living player in the game, this actually tells us nothing about either TC or tictac.

I don’t want to lim TC today because I don’t think a track on a slot going nowhere who claimed vt, is any kind of guilty. With tictac, I just have an extremely strong gut scumread on his slot.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Tictac get off the raid.

UNVOTE: Raid

I've flipped on Sakura

#thingsthatdontmattertoday

Lets yeet Elsa

I've flipped on Sakura

Lol?

You've flipped on the un-cc'ed protective claim?

That post should have contained a vote if you wanted me to believe you.

- House

He’s pretty much doing the same thing to Sakura that he did to me. Between Cheeky yesterday sr Romance and today Titus and now this post from tictac, my head is spinning.

And I don’t understand why Mastina didn’t want Toog to be on the raid. I think Cakez’ interactions with him read SvT to me.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

the flavor matching is so fucking dumb Toog stop that shit

Finally, found it.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I mean it's not as bad as katsuki claiming masons with scum and then getting janitored, but why else would they be janitored in the first place.

That was that magical girls UPick I was in and got N1ed in, right?

-Qrow/Gamma

How did I miss this? I totally forgot about that game. I’ve been racking my brain how raid failed and T3 gets killed over both a hardclaimed cop and doc. Sure it’s possible T3 is scum and did this only crazy gambit and his buddies killed him to cover it but I thought he was probably town, so it just sounded closer to tin foil. I think it’s definitely possible that Sakura could be onto something with that. I think it makes the most sense. Unless they were not actually the taeget and like in me v Titus, there’s some kind of switching type of role, which would actually be hilarious if that turned out to be the case.

~R

On the one hand this feels extremely clandestine given GiF also ran

that game

. On the other, mastina is claiming to have to ability to unravel this mess, so I think it would be foolish to not let her try.
UNVOTE:
Last I checked I was 20-something pages behind, so while I want to re-vote Elsa I'm also erring on the side of caution.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

hokay raven, here's the case on you.

day 1:
gamma: is familiar of elsas meta yet his day1 posting about elsa gives easy townpoints for stuff that is fully NAI for elsa (bravery, multiball spec). partner-read or attempt to pocket, currently leanin former.
raven: lied about doing an ISO on AA (described process is not how the site works)
day2:
gamma: was ok
raven: huge reaction to me saying I don't trust them doesn't match them insisting they didn't care if they were on the raid or not. said they wanted contributing slots on the raid, but was fully OK with Tomorrow being included, so I'm calling bull. admittedly I dunno what is the scum motivation to be on the raid given, that buddy already on it.
all of her focus on my read on her("what is tictacs threat-level?") and others reads on me("is he mislynchable?"), none of her focus on whether or not I was town ("

should

i be pushing tictac"), given that 2 slots were claiming info-that-makes-me-town, so its super not rocket-science that I in fact am.

While this isn't exactly all wrong, it's mischaracterizing everything imo.

• My elsa meta: idk why being familiar with elsa's meta means I shouldn't have TRed Elsa's play. And what about how my read shifted throughout D1? YOu conveniently overlook that I actually grew more skeptical of Elsa as time passed.
  
• The AA "ISO": I'm pretty sure what Nancy
  meant to say
  was egosearch. I don't think that term is separated from ISO enough that using the wrong one is a problem.
  
• The D2 raid: I was actually probably the one you should be addressing here, but anyway. I don't recall Nancy ever being okay with TC being on it, and neither was I. You however tried to twist things so that TC being removed was out of the question by trying to make the switch-off a two person deal where Elsa and you switched for Mystics and T3.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Let it be known that majority of people here value being 'right' than winning.

- Done with everything

I don't get why you feel this way tbh
I don't see how being right and winning are different here.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Annnnnnd Titus with the slam dunk.

Your welcome kids. We saved the day.

Who is scum for you?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: Dwlee

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Maybe TC is a ninja janitor. And mastina/Romance/tictac are scum.

I’m down to yeet this end we y’all are ready. Or Dwlee.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

@gamma ye, we could do the quote-wall tango, but seems kinda futile when I don't think either of us wants to yeet the other today.
I just cased top of my head cause I was annoyed by Nancy insisting to be trusted by default when I don't even think you guys are >rand town.

Why don’t you think we’re trustworthy, when D1 you seemed mostly chill with us. I refuted your concerns about us from D1, and you had posts showing you thought we were town.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

@gamma ye, we could do the quote-wall tango, but seems kinda futile when I don't think either of us wants to yeet the other today.
I just cased top of my head cause I was annoyed by Nancy insisting to be trusted by default when I don't even think you guys are >rand town.

Why don’t you think we’re trustworthy, when D1 you seemed mostly chill with us. I refuted your concerns about us from D1, and you had posts showing you thought we were town.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

The gig's up, Elsa. You've gotten away with this tomfoolery for far too long and it's time to die. One does not simply frame lazy play as

scum

play, unless they are scum.

It is written, so it shall be, as it is.

... Who even are you?

I'm Bambi... actually kinda hurt you don't recognise me.

I ISOed TC because their entry this day phase was lackluster and this is just phenomenally bullshit.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Biggs Vanilla Eorzean

I also did some research on this, pretty much anything I found listed Biggs alongside another character called Wedge, so if anyone says they are that person I can potentially clear TC off of that.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Also didnt someone say that H1/H2 is good at making up BS that sounds believable?

I said this, and it seems I was right. There might be actual stuff clearing TC but tictac is lacking in any such luck.

-Qrow

PEdit: not aside from attempting the very first one lol; that was a mistake

[Qrow and Raven]

Man remember that one game where town fake claimed masons with scum and then proceeded to get janitored?
Imagine if someone claims mech clear with 2 players and then gets Janitored.
Imagine if said mech clear is reliant on outside of game information.

Also didnt someone say that H1/H2 is good at making up BS that sounds believable?

Should I out my theory on H1H2?

I dont see how that can hurt at this point, they are dead.

Google "Alisae FFXIV"

...I think I get what you’re saying. In that case Dwlee is probtown.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Google "Alisae FFXIV"

It keeps correcting me to Alisaie

Yes but my theory is that t3 misread it and thought it was Alisae the player

T3 was probably informed a certain flavor was town but thought it was a player

So like DGB and DotW, got it.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Looking at the wiki it says Alisaie has a twin brother. Think that's related at all?

Looking at the wiki it says Alisaie has a twin brother. Think that's related at all?

T3 could have been whoever that brother is?

Dwlee literally said T3 was like a brother to him. So by that logic T3 had nothing on TC/tictac, but did have something on Dwlee.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

He probably didn't know who Alisae was given the posting so not masons. More like best friends. I saw it once in a normal (LN 233 I think)

Yes exactly!

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: House
Bring back the old signature!

-Qrow

Been meaning to ask... what is signature? I think I've always had this one?

- House

For a while you had one ribbing on cfj’s thing from the “let’s buff Bodyguard!” thread. I vastly prefer that to your current on on your main.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

@Dwlee99/House

1 - 17 - 13 - Done
2 - 17 - 11 - 2491
3 - 17 - 13 - TBD
4 - 17 - 11 - TBD

Continues

The 13s should be 12s and the 11s 10s.

For 3, 17 - 12 - 5? Yes, No or Confused.

@House/Dwlee

What weird code is this?

Dwlee99
RealCheeks
Bell
Elsa Jay
Sakura Hana
Romance
tictac
Tomorrow Corporation

Now with the raid sorted out, this raid failed, so there's at least 1 scum in here, i know it's not me, and it's probably not Romance. That leaves us with:

Dwlee99
RealCheeks
Bell
Elsa Jay
tictac
Tomorrow Corporation

Let's suppose Mandelbrot is right and Elsa Jay is town, let's suppose Romance is right and TC is town, let's suppose TC is right and tictac's town. And let's suppose people's meta read on Bell is right, That leaves us with:

Dwlee99
RealCheeks

What do you guys think, am i removing ppl that i shouldn't? i mean step 3 is just a bunch of suppositions. But I personally townread Bell so like... this doesnt feel too hard, worst case scenario is a 50/50, best case scenario? both scum, and i'm inclined to believe dwlee0s probably town so I guess my vote would be going to RealCheeks, I just want first to sanity check on Step 3.

Additionally it would be nice if everyone did this exercise because it's a fact that the 2nd raid failed.

TC doesn’t have an actual reason for tictac to be town. Meanwhile Dwlee crumbed stuff that shows T3’s information pointed to him. TC I think gets confirmed if someone claims his flavor counterpart however. Also think Elsa hasn’t done anything to warrant a TR for a while. So the pool should be

tictac
Realcheeks
Elsa

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

@Dwlee99/House

1 - 17 - 13 - Done
2 - 17 - 11 - 2491
3 - 17 - 13 - TBD
4 - 17 - 11 - TBD

Continues

The 13s should be 12s and the 11s 10s.

For 3, 17 - 12 - 5? Yes, No or Confused.

@House/Dwlee

What weird code is this?

I have idea as to what it all means but it doesn’t make sense overall if I’m right about the different puzzle pieces.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

@mastina scumLLD janitored to hide the fact they were not a mason with town. So all be janitored tells us is scum decided that result not be known.

THIS, SO MUCH THIS.

Also screw you Katsuki for fake claiming Masons with scum

I’m having endless Vietnam War flashbacks to so many games rn it’s not even close to funny
Dwlee apparently not even being Alisaie adds to that pile. I expect Wheme at least to get this.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Random question for Mastina, but since I'm gonna assume your way of getting said role known is by graverobbing it or something to become it yourself, I'd more recommend taking the Inventor for town's sake.

Whatever H1H2 was just mentioned something about Alisaie the character. That's one slot if anything. At least that's what the flavor implied. It wouldn't clear 2 slots I think.

If Alisaie is anyone other than Dwlee they need to come forward ASAP so we can put a rope around his neck.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Also Q&R pushing us D1, D2 then not getting on us today could mean something.

Tictac and TC should resolve with mastina. I don't buy that H1H2 was scum janitored by scum at all. Final readlist from me incoming shortly.
~C

It means we didn’t think you were the best choice for pressure. You’re broaching that point rn.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Yeah probably just Elsa + another buddy on raid. I'd look for two in raid and 2-3 out of it. Use next raid as a check.
~C

Just letting y’all know, D is taking the reins for the Gamma head rn. This game calls for some Omnimalevolent Wrath rn and I’m just the beast to supply it.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Are we killing me if my theory is right? Or someone else. (I use they btw)

Sorry, it’s probably a mix of avatar and preconceived notions. Had the same issue with Nahdia before.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

SirCakez, Nero Tol Scaeva (

Garlean Invader Jack of all Trades

), was eliminated Day 2.

Spoiler: Role PM

Nero Tol Scaeva

Welcome to FFXIV ARR Mafia

You are

Nero Tol Scaeva (

Garlean Invader Jack of all Trades

)

Ability:

• Garlean Chief Engineer:
  During the night you may use following devices once per game.
  • Linkshell Disruptor:
    You may use this ability either during the day or night. This ability will shut down all Private threads for the following phase except the Garlean Invader PT.
    
  • Surveying:
    You may use this ability during the night to learn whether the target is
    Vanilla Eorzean
    or not.
• Garlean Linkshell:
  PT be here

Win Condition:

• All Eorzean factions are eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent reaching the condition.

Final Raid Group

1. Dwlee99
   
2. RealCheeks
   
3. Bell
   
4. Elsa Jay
   
5. SirCakez
   
   
6. Sakura Hana
   
7. Romance
   
8. tictac
   
9. Tomorrow Corporation

The raid is a

failure!

Realm danger level increases by

1

.

Night 2 begins

Deadline: (expired on 2021-09-30 19:14:47)

Romance / Tomorrow Corporation / Sakura Hana
Bell / tictac / Dwlee99
Elsa Jay / RealCheeks

Somewhere around here right now.

For me it’s like

Romance/Sakura
Bell
TC
Tictac/Dwlee/RC
EJ

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Okay so we are killing me if my theory is right, why exactly?

So you want to kill me for correctly figuring out I should google "alisae ffxiv" and get a conftown to out to do that? What?

My problem isn’t that your theory is right, it’s that you acted in a way that muddied things up for the real Alisaie and the price is your blood.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

If flea is/was Cabd, I totally get why fae's thrown for a loop over my tone in this game.

Last Cabd knew, I was a miserable fuck that gave games a toxic atmosphere.

- House

pffffffffffft
Flea ain’t Cabd. Bet.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Muddied things how? If scum thought I had crumbed there I would have died in the actual alisae's place which is fine with me

Perhaps. Except when I started poking the whole hornet’a nest with a stick you abandoned ship.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

A smart player would have probably waited to CC (nothing against Sakura though, she was already compromised so her immediate CC was valid). Regardless, you made misleading posts in a critical moment and I cannot abide that. I have at least one person I trust to back me up on this when the time comes.
Anyway. I think yammering on about this is somewhat futile. I can drive this home later and I should reserve some fuel for the fire when I do so.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Let it be known that majority of people here value being 'right' than winning.

- Done with everything

I don't get why you feel this way tbh
I don't see how being right and winning are different here.

-Qrow

That was Yume, but I get her feels.

She is mainly referring to people demanding to get their way & damn the cost & damn anyone who disagrees because THEY FUCKING KNOW.

- House

So it's a feeling thing, alright.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Looking at the wiki it says Alisaie has a twin brother. Think that's related at all?

Looking at the wiki it says Alisaie has a twin brother. Think that's related at all?

T3 could have been whoever that brother is?

Dwlee literally said T3 was like a brother to him. So by that logic T3 had nothing on TC/tictac, but did have something on Dwlee.

-Qrow

Oh that was not meant as a crumb wtf

I literally just meant that

this is just...ARGH
I'm probably gonna let Nancy steer our vote for the rest of the day phase because I'm just too damn tilted rn with no hope of rebalance.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

for the record i dont think dwlee ever crumbed anything.

I don’t want to vote Dwelee and I still think tictac is probably scum. I’m the most sus of people who tried to stop the raid discussion and nothing tictac has said has changed my mind on him.

I don’t like that tictac said we weren’t an improvement over Elsa and now votes him. If he was that suspicious of him, he shouldn’t have objected to us switching with him yesterday.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I’m not touching Bell wagon. Like how is he remotely similar here to either Pooky v FL or Happy Face? I’m not seeing it.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I’m not touching Bell wagon. Like how is he remotely similar here to either Pooky v FL or Happy Face? I’m not seeing it.

~R

Are you seriously suggesting Bell is incapable of changing his meta? And aside from that fact, what exactly has Bell done after Day 1?

You were in both games, weren’t you? I know for sure you were in FL v Hectic. He was just completely frozen in that game. Sure it’s possible but it still means his scumgame has gotten a lot better and unless a see a recent scumgame where he wasn’t frozen scum, I’m not voting him.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I actually won a marathon scum game as scum. I kicked Peta out of the getaway car. It was glorious.

You’re saying you have played differently as scum than you did in Pooky v FL abd Happy Face? You were beyond awkward and wooden in both of those games.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I er, kinda thought I played sort of okay in pooky v flavor.
My ate was okay I just couldn’t solve because of all the anxiety.

Well it was like night and day with Death Curse. Not trying to make you feel bad but I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone as miserable to roll scum as you were.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

My role interacts with the fact that Alisae is in the game under an alt
which is kinda ridiculous
but now Alisae is requesting a self ban
so wtf is going on
-T3

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Alisaie_Leveilleur

Alisae is a character in FF1V not an alt. Unless tictac or TC are Alisae - assuming T3 town, they are not clear.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

My role interacts with the fact that Alisae is in the game under an alt
which is kinda ridiculous
but now Alisae is requesting a self ban
so wtf is going on
-T3

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Alisaie_Leveilleur

Alisae is a character in FF1V not an alt. Unless tictac or TC are Alisae - assuming T3 town, they are not clear.

~R

She has a twin brother named Aphinaud, so if this is what scum was trying to cover up then, that’s who Mastina will get a clear on Alisae the flavour not the alt.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Nah. You’re voting town when there’s a bunch of other options.
Why?

Wait why is Alissa requesting a self ban instead of just taking a break.

Idk but if T3 was town, he’s probably Aphinaud and has a clear on the player who has Alisaie as their flavour, so if neither TC or tictac have Alisaie flavour, it’s not them.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I do not know Bell's meta at all, but that seemed to be the implication people mentioned back in Day 1.
Also no changing one's meta isn't as easy as it sounds for some people.

I wasn't thinking of using meta at all when playing this game tho, but I cant ignore that if i want to win.

Those who are self-aware of their meta can change it more easily.

- House

It's not that easy for some people even if they are self-aware.

It took Creature years to change his meta. I for example, was frequent mislimbait when I started playing. In my first game ever, I played like I was on Survivor. I don’t recommend that unless you’re actually a jester.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Kind of surprised that everyone was saying that Bell had this creature style meta that led everyone to townread him D1 and now he's suddenly into a bunch of people's PoE.

BIG TRUE

Wheme is a Pooky alt? Who knew?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: tictac

You told us we we weren’t an improvement over Elsa and raid failed. - which you were on and you’re my #1 pick for at least one scum on that raid. That makes me think you either wanted Elsa to be on the raid as a fall guy or if he is actually suicidal scum here, are bussing him. I lean the former or you wouldn’t have tried to prevent us from swiching with him.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

tictac EJ and toogeloo all need to exit the raid queue for this to pass

to be clear:

I don't think it's an improvement so I don't intend to out.

what would be an improvement for you

-Qrow

if elsa gives way to bears I'll give way to H12.

Considering Elsa wasn’t even posting and T3 wasn’t anywhere in the queue, I have doubts about this.

i suppose so, i was thinking in terms of current comp.

I don't really trust you with it, if that is what you are asking.

pedit: @ Qrow

I just find all of this a little too convenient.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: raid
Phone posting until Tuesday.
Also
VOTE: toog

Voted toog after Romance claimed she had a hard guilty.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I was only offsite for > 48 hrs and I didn’t even know that the game had begun.

sorry to bring yer rl into things, but there's an implication here about u not having access to a maf pt 4 pre-game planning that should not be ignored. otherwise game having started probs not a surprise.

I specifically said "first step" in quotation marks to indicate I wasn't trying to draw an exact parallel, but making a point that in any other game the elim is the first major decision of the game, but here it's raid entry

okay, that's not even where ur quotation marks are..
it's so easily checked, i dont even think u intentionally being deceptive, but I also don't think there was a pause for an introspection and a memory between the accusation and the response. it's like u on some weird autopilot.
the earlier thing was me thinking Raven not being aware of gamestart may be a towntell, and i do still think that, but oh man

okay, but Nancy u can trust, so talk things over w her and see which things still make sense.

Fuck! I just ISO’d her and caught her ellitelling.

so i kinda like the agression from you both, and the bit with the heads disagreeing felt real.
this is not how doing an ISO works tho.

so can we yeet mom now?

i suppose so, i was thinking in terms of current comp.
I don't really trust you with it, if that is what you are asking.
pedit: @ Qrow

I mean it obviously isn’t but it irks me anytime I get shaded with no explanation given.

I'm not really interested in casing you when I'm not trying to get you yeeted.
I don't need a reason for why I 'deserve' a spot on the raid. I have one, and it's mine unless I choose to give it up.
you are not scummier than Elsa(*), that's why I tried to negotiate for a not!elsa raid, but I

can

just go: "I'm not moving, lol", if it looks like that approach works better.

(*)the intensity of this reaction is

weird

for someone who says they don't really care if they are on the raid or not tho.

Tictac went from pretty much obvtowning us to this. No progression on our slot, no explanation but as soon as we want to replace them in the raid, he suddenly doesn’t “trust” us.

~R

tictac was pretty much locktowning us until I called him out for his scummy responses about us not being an improvement over Elsa and now he’s trying to push focus off of the failed raid entirely.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I like this raid comp. Except else, but nothing to be done about that.

Ah, how did I miss this? Why did he double down over us not switching with Elsa if he sincerely believed this?

@tictac, explain this.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

You told us we we weren’t an improvement over Elsa and raid failed. - which you were on and you’re my #1 pick for at least one scum on that raid. That makes me think you either wanted Elsa to be on the raid as a fall guy or if he is actually suicidal scum here, are bussing him. I lean the former or you wouldn’t have tried to prevent us from swiching with him.

lo, what exactly makes u think scum-elsa was gonna out from the raid?
+ i'm pretty sure u partners by now from how u keep 'scumreading' him yet sliding off the actual vote.

We’re the ones who tried to switch with him and you, TC and Arc prevented it. Like I said, if you really believed Elsa is scum, you wouldn’t have tried to prevent us from switching with him.

So, your reasoning makes absolutely no sense here.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

You told us we we weren’t an improvement over Elsa and raid failed. - which you were on and you’re my #1 pick for at least one scum on that raid. That makes me think you either wanted Elsa to be on the raid as a fall guy or if he is actually suicidal scum here, are bussing him. I lean the former or you wouldn’t have tried to prevent us from swiching with him.

lo, what exactly makes u think scum-elsa was gonna out from the raid?
+ i'm pretty sure u partners by now from how u keep 'scumreading' him yet sliding off the actual vote.

And omigod! Your the one who said you would accept Bears switching with them. And now you’re trying to pin that onto me?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

what would be an improvement for you

-Qrow

if elsa gives way to bears I'll give way to H12.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

You told us we we weren’t an improvement over Elsa and raid failed. - which you were on and you’re my #1 pick for at least one scum on that raid. That makes me think you either wanted Elsa to be on the raid as a fall guy or if he is actually suicidal scum here, are bussing him. I lean the former or you wouldn’t have tried to prevent us from swiching with him.

lo, what exactly makes u think scum-elsa was gonna out from the raid?

+ i'm pretty sure u partners by now from how u keep 'scumreading' him yet sliding off the actual vote.

We’re the ones who tried to switch with him and you, TC and Arc prevented it. Like I said, if you really believed Elsa is scum, you wouldn’t have tried to prevent us from switching with him.

So, your reasoning makes absolutely no sense here.

~R

u fully neglected to adress the question in any way.

what would be an improvement for you

-Qrow

if elsa gives way to bears I'll give way to H12.

~R

Why don’t you answer it first? Why did you make #3784?

You explain that first , then I’ll answer.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

notice the word 'if' there.

And how is that any different then what we posted?

It also doesn’t explain why you brought up Bears. Did you actually think Elsa would switch with them and if so, why?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

3784wut

#3974, I have dyslexia.

I made it clear in my post exactly what I was referring to.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

#3874

[Qrow and Raven]

u asked what would be an improvement, and bears came to mind.

I find it really strange that you were hard tr us until we tried to switch with you, toog and Elsa on that failed raid. Something doesn’t add up about that at all.

What bothers me is that Elsa wasn’t even posting att time and you made it a point of saying we wouldn’t be an “improvement”. That’s what makes me think you’re either scum with or without Elsa, because why would town!you have made that comment, considering your earlier Elsa comment. Your shade on us just came out of the blue.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Fuck! I just ISO’d her and caught her ellitelling.

so i kinda like the agression from you both, and the bit with the heads disagreeing felt real.
this is not how doing an ISO works tho.

so can we yeet mom now?

hokay raven, here's the case on you.

day 1:
gamma: is familiar of elsas meta yet his day1 posting about elsa gives easy townpoints for stuff that is fully NAI for elsa (bravery, multiball spec). partner-read or attempt to pocket, currently leanin former.
raven: lied about doing an ISO on AA (described process is not how the site works)
day2:
gamma: was ok
raven: huge reaction to me saying I don't trust them doesn't match them insisting they didn't care if they were on the raid or not. said they wanted contributing slots on the raid, but was fully OK with Tomorrow being included, so I'm calling bull. admittedly I dunno what is the scum motivation to be on the raid given, that buddy already on it.
all of her focus on my read on her("what is tictacs threat-level?") and others reads on me("is he mislynchable?"), none of her focus on whether or not I was town ("

should

i be pushing tictac"), given that 2 slots were claiming info-that-makes-me-town, so its super not rocket-science that I in fact am.

And here, more contradictory reads on us. First you tr us for our “aggression”, then you straight up accuse me of lying for the exact same thing. Why would I tr you for that?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

3874
can u just quote the post. i dunno what u talking about

I already did.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

there was like a brief part of day1 when I had a tr on u.
if u didn't notice it going away u weren't paying attention.

I think your shade on us was very convenient and sudden. And the fact that you’re being intentionally obtuse and ignoring what I’m asking just convinces me more and more that I’m not wrong.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Even if you did think we were suspicious, there are varied levels of suspicion. Were we that suspect to you that even though you thought Elsa was problematic from word one we weren’t an improvement?
And wrt our voting your little “off and on Elsa” argument is laughable given that WE ARE A HYDRA. I think Elsa is the simplest vote this day phase, but Nancy disapproves of your trajectory on us. At this point a combination of general game frustration and not wanting to feud with my partner is resulting in me letting her command the vote.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

did i ask u to tr me? no i did not.
coflicted reads are not townreads.

It’s frequently a scumtell. I caught sheep doing that in Forest Fire but what bothers me even more is why you continue to refuse to answer a single one of my questions.

Like 3874.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

You told us we we weren’t an improvement over Elsa and raid failed. - which you were on and you’re my #1 pick for at least one scum on that raid. That makes me think you either wanted Elsa to be on the raid as a fall guy or if he is actually suicidal scum here, are bussing him. I lean the former or you wouldn’t have tried to prevent us from swiching with him.

lo, what exactly makes u think scum-elsa was gonna out from the raid?

+ i'm pretty sure u partners by now from how u keep 'scumreading' him yet sliding off the actual vote.

We’re the ones who tried to switch with him and you, TC and Arc prevented it. Like I said, if you really believed Elsa is scum, you wouldn’t have tried to prevent us from switching with him.

So, your reasoning makes absolutely no sense here.

~R

u fully neglected to adress the question in any way.

speaking of intentionally obtuse.
there's still no answer to this one.

I already told you, you answer my question first.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

what would be an improvement for you

-Qrow

if elsa gives way to bears I'll give way to H12.

~R

I’m going to fucking lose it on this slot with the way he keeps avoiding this.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

did i ask u to tr me? no i did not.
coflicted reads are not townreads.

It’s frequently a scumtell. I caught sheep doing that in Forest Fire but what bothers me even more is why you continue to refuse to answer a single one of my questions.

Like 3874.

~R

i did answer that.
pedit: okay i'll expand then.
given that i don't actually know if elsa is scum, he might be persuaded to trade for a mutually better-valued wagon, and i figured bears and H12 were universal trs.

Well considering he wasn’t even posting att you made that post, why did you prefer Elsa to us? You’ve been shading us ever since we tried to get on that raid A raid that failed which we weren’t even on.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I mean it obviously isn’t but it irks me anytime I get shaded with no explanation given.

I'm not really interested in casing you when I'm not trying to get you yeeted.
I don't need a reason for why I 'deserve' a spot on the raid. I have one, and it's mine unless I choose to give it up.
you are not scummier than Elsa(*), that's why I tried to negotiate for a not!elsa raid, but I

can

just go: "I'm not moving, lol", if it looks like that approach works better.

(*)the intensity of this reaction is

weird

for someone who says they don't really care if they are on the raid or not tho.

And this post. If you really think that, then your entire trajectory on our slot makes no sense. If we were buddies with whichever slot(s) caused the raid to fail then why would we have even been so hard trying to get on it. If we weren’t actually doing that, then what you’re saying wouldn’t be so whack.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

My current PoE is anyone who either rammed the Cakez’ lim through while we hadn’t yet settled the raid. That’s why TC and Arc are also suss for doing that. Does that answer your question @Cheeky?

You weren’t involved in that. And Titus unvoted, which was protown. So, that’s why tictac, Arc, Elsa, TC are in my current PoE.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I mean it obviously isn’t but it irks me anytime I get shaded with no explanation given.

I'm not really interested in casing you when I'm not trying to get you yeeted.
I don't need a reason for why I 'deserve' a spot on the raid. I have one, and it's mine unless I choose to give it up.
you are not scummier than Elsa(*), that's why I tried to negotiate for a not!elsa raid, but I

can

just go: "I'm not moving, lol", if it looks like that approach works better.

(*)the intensity of this reaction is

weird

for someone who says they don't really care if they are on the raid or not tho.

And this post.

If you really think that

, then your entire trajectory on our slot makes no sense. If we were buddies with whichever slot(s) caused the raid to fail then why would we have even been so hard trying to get on it. If we weren’t actually doing that, then what you’re saying wouldn’t be so whack.

~R

what does "that" refer to here?

The part that is highlighted.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

tictac, if you're angling for your interaction with Qrow to be written off as tvt, I ain't gonna do it.

TvT spats look nothing like this.

- House

okidou.
I'll get back to this tomorrow when i'm conftown.

You need to actually read the thread if you think that’s still happening.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

i was just noting that something was weird there. I didn't have further thoughts about it at that point of time.

And you’re also ignoring the fact that we’re in a hydra. Me and Gamma don’t see eye to eye on everything.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

i was just noting that something was weird there. I didn't have further thoughts about it at that point of time.

And you’re also ignoring the fact that we’re in a hydra. Me and Gamma don’t see eye to eye on everything.

~R

ok.
from your pow then, which one was it that didn't care if u were on the raid or not?
also which one had the actives on the raid is good opinion?

I’m assuming Gamma and I’m pissed we didn’t get onto to this one sooner because scum has a very easy shot at us tonight unless Sakura heals us. Mandel already has bp.

I don’t understand the second part of your question.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I’m assuming Gamma and I’m pissed we didn’t get onto to this one sooner because scum has a very easy shot at us tonight unless Sakura heals us. Mandel already has bp.

I don’t understand the second part of your question

no I meant the day2 raid. which one didn't care about that?
which one wanted only contributing slots on the raid?

For the former I think it was me. Nancy probably expressed the latter but idr where

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I’m assuming Gamma and I’m pissed we didn’t get onto to this one sooner because scum has a very easy shot at us tonight unless Sakura heals us. Mandel already has bp.

I don’t understand the second part of your question

no I meant the day2 raid. which one didn't care about that?
which one wanted only contributing slots on the raid?

For the former I think it was me. Nancy probably expressed the latter but idr where

-Qrow

I think it was you. I just wanted us to be on it and that seemed like the only way possible.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I don’t recall anything regard a result from you?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I’m not sure if real cheeks is mooncancer(this is a reference to a recently completed game) or just a dude with reads outside the norm.

Well, actually not mooncancer because that guy bussed his whole team. But that doesn’t apply here because he suspects me lol.

Realcheeks is not NK15

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

My current PoE is anyone who either rammed the Cakez’ lim through while we hadn’t yet settled the raid. That’s why TC and Arc are also suss for doing that. Does that answer your question @Cheeky?

You weren’t involved in that. And Titus unvoted, which was protown. So, that’s why tictac, Arc, Elsa, TC are in my current PoE.

~R

I don't think I voted TC for the record. I was never 100% sure.

No I meant Cakez because the raid wasn’t settled yet when Arc and then TC rammed it through.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Not killing me for one. I also never outted my results either. But that's a secondary thing.

What results? You only claimed flavour up till now.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Didn't give much reason too. But I didn't sign up for the raid as a VT now did I?

I'm at work until like 10 pm for me which is like 4 hours away. I'll post all the juicy gossip then.

Claim your role and results.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

i could do toog, maybe q and r, but i'm kind of lost atp because i don't want to do elsa jay and i haven't seen other options present themselves

???

You need to explain this.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: Mysticbears

Why? Bears wasn’t on the failed raid and they even tried to stop it.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Like we know for a fact there's scum in that list, but everywhere is met with resistance and now people want to wagon outside.
To be fair if we want to hit the roleblocker, looking outside is the best thing to do.

True but if we hit scum in the raid, we might get associatives. Arc and TC are the ones who rammed it though.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

tictac's flavor claim seems to imply they are town?

Ehhh... it does, actually.

Damn

- House

Couldn’t scum have fake flavour claims? I forgot about if they did or not in MG. Someone could verify that.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: raid
Phone posting until Tuesday.
Also
VOTE: toog

Voted toog after Romance claimed she had a hard guilty.

~R

Are you implying tictac and toog are scum together and he tried to get ahead of the guilty? Or that tictac is scum for ignoring romance?

The latter is kinda ehhh.

-R

I didn’t imply anything about Toog. Yeah, the latter obviously. By itself, I’d agree with you but it’s just one more little thing I don’t tr him for.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I’m not sure if real cheeks is mooncancer(this is a reference to a recently completed game) or just a dude with reads outside the norm.

Well, actually not mooncancer because that guy bussed his whole team. But that doesn’t apply here because he suspects me lol.

Realcheeks is not NK15

-Qrow

Wait, what? Someone thinks RC is NK15?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Elsa is scum because Momodi is a Vanilla Townie at best. There is no information to share.

My hero solve as of this very second is Elsa, Wheme, Mystic Bears, and Mandelbrot (my deep wolf pick).

I think Mystic Bears needs to exit the raid and Qrow and Raven needs to be on it.

My juicy gossip was gonna be I thought TC was confirmed evil. Why you gotta steal my thunder Toog?

On the off chance I'm a lying PR, trust StD and Titus. (Didn't catch the crumb).

Claim

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I think Mystic Bears needs to exit the raid and Qrow and Raven needs to be on it.

Ohellno.

Chances of them getting night killed is close to zero. Chances of them getting off the raid is probably the same. Whatever.

VOTE: Elsa

Sakura can doc us.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

-Qrow, who is done with everyone's shit but especially TC's

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: Q+R

Also Toog was right after in line if Elsa exited, i guess Elsa was waiting for a safe escape.

Why are you voting us and what makes you think Elsa wanted to escape?

He wasn’t even posting at the time. I think he probably knew he was not long for this game regardless of what he did.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I know Mastina is town. It's literally just stupid she got it with no effort and just claimed and doesn't help town otherwise really. Then she hounds me still on the off chance scum cleaned someone who supposedly has 2 clears by day 2. TC does jackshit and gets to live. I try and get shot down for trying to make the game actually focus on other things. It's shit.

She didn't even bother to interact with me day 1 and hasn't done anything I liked. She just put me at the bottom of her Readlist and went about her day. She basically threatens me out of the raid day 2. She turns alot of people on me to defend a slot that outted a doctor and has done nothing this game.

Also if anyone has any doubts about mastina, i doubt this is SvS.

Mastina’s very likely town based off of tone. And I agree, she’s been extremely passionate about pretty much everything. I don’t think she can fake that as scum.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: Q+R

Also Toog was right after in line if Elsa exited, i guess Elsa was waiting for a safe escape.

Why are you voting us and what makes you think Elsa wanted to escape?

He wasn’t even posting at the time. I think he probably knew he was not long for this game regardless of what he did.

~R

I'm believing tictac's theory re: day 2

I hope not because we’re probably all in trouble then.

I still think his actions wrt to raid are suss though.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: QR
the push on me yesterday was whack.
I'm scummy for expressing a conflicted read on them day1, also i hard tr'd them day1 and conveniently flipped on that day2 to accomplish ???
I blocked them from trading places with Elsa yet the mechanism by which I accomplished that feat is super unclear.
(also I'm scummy for ignoring romances quilty when romance asked us to ignore it)
it all hashes out to throwing spagetti at a wall and seeing what sticks.
eg starting from a need to scumread me and looking for reasons to.
(same thing with AA eod1. I now think gamma slipped their motives on 1411)

Here's a theory about what happened day2:
Elsa is not a fall-guy-scum. Elsa is a carry-scum. Him being caught in poe was very bad for the scumteam, but he could not out because then there's nooo scumz in the raid and romance gets a strongwilled result.
Enter bears-plan, and suddenly theres a way to get someone besides Elsa to be the fall-guy. maybe someone better positioned so they get some miseets out of it too. So that's why Raven was so hyped to get raiding.
they actually did intend to use the plan to switch places w elsa, and that is why that is the framing they keep using.
only things got cut short by AA and TC, soo i'm thinking those slots are associative probtown.

also
VOTE: Raid

Looks solid to me, bunny. I want half the cred for this flip.

VOTE: Qrow and Raven

Well, then you’ll be very disappointed. Are you Oka or Fire? They bragged to RC that my slot was scum only to have egg on their face when they realized they were wrong,

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Subject: Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

Id bet my life saving that they rolled scum though.

~fire

I was also town in that game.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: Raid

I missed out on three of these.

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: tictac

[Qrow and Raven]

This game is moving far too fast for my liking.

Also, been poisoned. Out of game that is. whoo.

What did I miss?

-Flea

Are you okay Flea? For a moment I thought scum had a poisoner in this game and you were dying.

tictac!scum is trying to run me up when his entire trajectory the concerning the day 2 raid is as scummy af and people are actually drinking the koolade.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Subject: Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

~anyways I'm inclined to believe RC is just right and its TH

I've read Lie Ren's iso forwards and backwards and the associatives line up with TH the most

This why the votes on us are dumb. Lie Ren was actually scum and I wrongly sr him. Skitter also wrongly sr me in FL v Hectic because I tried to save scum!Dann. I was the game-losing miselim in an MU game for the same reason. I once again tried to save scum.

I really can’t understand how anyone in their right mind who’s town, thinks I wouldn’t make it a point to be on Elsa wagon. Does anyone seriously think scum didn’t bus?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Sorry, don’t mean to actually call anyone “dumb” or be toxic but this always happens to me when I wrongly defend scum and I’m really fucking sick of it.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Titus being killed (presumably with a strongman kill) is interesting actually.

To me, it indicates that there are probably most if not all remaining scum outside of the people who were on yesterday's raid? And they don't want to whittle down that POE.

She was a hardclaimed tracker, so the only thing I don’t understand why scum would kill Titus over you or Mastina.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Dwlee should be eliminated. He is both spam and scum in the game.

Unless you you’re equating spam with being scum, are you? I don’t understand why they should be elilmed for spam.

And, are you tr TC now?

It seems like most of your votes are based on OMGUS: Dwelee, me, TC.

Why is Dwelee scum, because he’s pushing you?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Are you Oka or Fire?

Didnt they say they were a kokichi alt.

Nee-heehee~

That is his avatar though.

You don’t sound like Kokichi, albeit it’s been a very long time.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Sorry, don’t mean to actually call anyone “dumb” or be toxic but this always happens to me when I wrongly defend scum and I’m really fucking sick of it.

~R

This happens to everyone that defends scum, and for good reason.

-R

Yeah I get it but I have a sad embarrassing history of being pocketed by scum. In one game I was in, scum actually cried when I replaced out and in another I gor pocketed by the entire scumteam, In the scum PT, I read, we are never killing Nancy. :/

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

This game is moving far too fast for my liking.

Also, been poisoned. Out of game that is. whoo.

What did I miss?

-Flea

Are you okay Flea? For a moment I thought scum had a poisoner in this game and you were dying.

tictac!scum is trying to run me up when his entire trajectory the concerning the day 2 raid is as scummy af and people are actually drinking the koolade.

~R

I will be, I think I got double whammied with Wheat and Food :/
What happened D2? I missed that day completely :/

-F

Very glad to hear you’re feeling better. <3

My current working theory is that scum tried to ram through failed raid. Others like your hydra partner, us, Titus, Sakura tried to slow it down. That’s why I think scum wanted Elsa in the raid to get towncred when it ultimately failed.
Tictac’s theory about scum wanting to help Elsa escape as opposed to using him as a fall guy is probably the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in any mafia game ever. It almost makes me want to tr tictoc for the absolutely insane tinfoil but his push on us reads blatantly scum motivated because he’s not even considering if his theiry could be wrong. Occams Razor people. What makes more sense? Scum wanted to help a dying scumfuck escape or have them as a fall guy? It’s not exactly freaking rocket science.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

VC 3.05

Tomorrow Corporation (2):

WhemeStar, Mystic Bears

Elsa Jay (9):

mastina, tictac, Tomorrow Corporation, Romance, Sakura Hana, Titus, Toogeloo, RealCheeks, Mandelbrot

Mandelbrot (1):

Save The Dragons

tictac (1):

Qrow and Raven

ArcAngel9 (1):

Dwlee99

Mystic Bears (1):

Bell

Not Voting:

ArcAngel9, Elsa Jay

With

17

remaining,

9

votes to eliminate

Deadline: (expired on 2021-10-10 19:41:40)

Raid

Raid Queue - Titan

Success bonus for raid completion:

Gains bulletproof for one night

Queue:

1. Sakura Hana
   
2. Save The Dragons
   
3. Dwlee99
   
4. Romance
   
5. Mandelbrot
   
6. Titus
   
7. Mystic Bears
   
8. mastina

Backup

1. Qrow and Raven

Realm Danger Level: 1

ArcAngel9 is in V/LA until Tuesday

again

.

@mod, I don’t understand. I thought Elsa self-hammered?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Nope he didn’t, apparently that was mod error.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

What makes you think that

Because the VC said he did. Ask GiF. I’m not making that up. He was the hammer despite never actually self-voting.

[Qrow and Raven]

I mean, tictac's town for other reasons anyway.

What reasons?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Dwlee99
RealCheeks
Bell
Elsa Jay
Sakura Hana
Romance
tictac
Tomorrow Corporation

Like from this list i dont really see who could be, i keep whacking my brain, ppl say TC is town,

tictac's flavor claim seems to imply they are town?

(hope toog helps with that), Bell's supposed to be town by meta, Romance is clearly town. I thought RealCheeks wanting to give a finals reads list was towny, could go dwlee i guess if people are that convinced EJ who keeps trying to break townreads is town.

tictac's flavor claim seems to imply they are town?

Ehhh... it does, actually.

Damn

- House

Do you think scum couldn’t have had fakeclaims? Cakez already proved they have.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Because the VC said he did. Ask GiF. I’m not making that up. He was the hammer despite never actually self-voting.

can confirm.

I don't actually remember u defending Elsa, just tryng to drive a couterwagon into town, while scumreading him. not really the same thing.

@TC if u want cred 4 QR u gotta keep voting there

If you think I’m just going to allow you to try to drive a miselim on me so you are very sadly mistaken.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Do you think scum couldn’t have had fakeclaims? Cakez already proved they have.

As far as I remember tictac's flavor was someone very important to the story or something one of the leaders or whatever, so it's more likely to come from a town player than the claims we've seen from the 2 flipped scum so far which are just minor characters.

But he’s being so scummy.

Isn’t it possible that scum came up with fake flavour claims? So that’s not clearing.

I also think that there’s no way scum wouldn’t have bussed Elsa, so there logically has to be at least one scum on his wagon.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Would be interested in what do you think of the theory that scum was a bit slow to join day 2 raid, but at the time they didnt know who the guilty was in, so since it was on cakez, EJ would not be able to leave, and Mystic Bears proposed raid adjustment was to help EJ get out of the raid while also failing it.

i mean, could be. I remember having a TR there, but I don't actually remember why.
don't really think straigh-up defending is scummy tho. lots of folk gonna TR elsa the first go around.

If there’s a world where you’re actually town, then try to find actual scum - not us.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

If there's a bus, high chance is in these names:

Elsa Jay (5): mastina, tictac, Tomorrow Corporation, Romance, Sakura Hana

VOTE: Elsa Jay

VOTE: Elsa

VOTE: Elsa

VOTE: Elsa Jay

That's hammer, no?

My issue is none of these tried to ram through failed raid. I would probably lim RC over Mandel but I’d rather flip someone who tried to ram through failed raid. Scum obviously wanted raid to fail, so that leaves TC and Arc.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

i mean EJ was in the failed raid, so clearly EJ is the one that made it fail.
Dont forget, before the MB plan to switch the raid members EJ was hyper reluctant to leave the raid, but after, they started thinking that they probably could switch out of the raid.
This makes me believe that scum wanted the raid to fail, but EJ was the only one in there so they were very reluctant to do so.
tictac is right that the events there makes you look sus af.

Really? I see the exact opposite. I think we should be mech town because we were trying to stop a raid that fucking failed. How does any of that make us Elsa’s buddy?

~R