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Oh no, I am being voted. Stop that.
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I have read 1 page, and I am leaning town on Meuh and Ydra.
Meuh for the miller counter claim, and Ydra for her joke in response to the miller counter claim lol
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Meuh because of the miller counter claim. Feel like a move that would unnecessarily draw negative attention, assuming Meuh scum / Pooky town, counter claiming into taking the stance that there will not be 2 millers, and voting pooky, seems like a recipe to getting pooky to constantly scum read you the entire game.In post 400, Ydrasse wrote: right now i Do Not know
if you asked me before i would have said cakez but atm i’m doubting that
why do you lean town on meuh?
and me for that matter
Yours was the tone of your post fake claiming miller. I liked it.-
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I find myself generally agreeing with Meuh on this, wrt to Pooky just backing off on the person who CC'd them.In post 126, Meuh wrote: I think town!you would be taking a stronger stance than just urging us to toss aside the claims for now ? I do agree that focusing on things other than that is probably helpful, but the last sentence of your post feels fake
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:waves:In post 404, catboi wrote: What a delightful replacement
(I tried to find a waving gif, but could not find one I was happy with, smh)-
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Oh look, catboi read my mind, while also being in the past from me. Quite impressive.In post 136, catboi wrote: Broadly speaking the vast majority of players aren't the type to claim miller as mafia, it takes a specific type of bold/risky player because most players tend to play scum rather passively. Meuh doesn't really fit into that archetype in my head and I'm inclined to believe her claim, her posting afterwards reads solidly town to me and I don't see reason to doubt that.-
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Dunn's entrance made me go
But I am not really sure why.
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Honestly? Tunnel the shit out of her lmaoIn post 410, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: I want to hear what you think Town!Pooky would do
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I feel like it is pretty standard to be suspicious of a CC. Also to be suspicious that this 9 player game has 2 millers.In post 413, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: why
I think that I would not have been as suspicious of you, if you had responded with the reasons why she is more likely to be town given the situation, but instead you walked this middle road of half heartedly pushing her, and then dropping it, and moving on. And that does not feel like a townie, who thinks her position is townie OR a townie who thinks that her cc makes her scum by default.-
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And I am trying to say that the way you went about sorting the question did not feel genuine.In post 417, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: yea the point is i dont know
I did not see a gut reaction scum read, and I did not see an analytical take on why she would do that as scum (You never voiced a reason to think she was town before the post you just made).
You just pushed back at her half heartedly when she pushed you, and then dropped it.
And that feels off to me.
And thinking about it from a scum POV, "tell me a flavor that makes sense as a miller" into "sure that flavor makes sense" into "pivoting away from the double miller claim" seems like a reasonable plan of action given the situation.-
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I actually feel a little better about dunn after a second page of him existing in the thread. I retract my
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I have worked through the conversations on pooky not having fake claimed miller in his first post as scum before, and it is giving me a little pause.-
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Here, with Dunn's town read on catboi.
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And then here with Ydra's town lean on my slot.
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Neither of these come across to me, as GL trying to get a feel for Dunn or Ydra's alignments, or to see if they are swayed by their arguments, but more to weaken early town reads that they have forming, which feels like a weird town priority for page 11
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I am working through the SirCakez and Ydra stuff, and all my brain in getting is static.
It takes up a decent amount of thread conversation here, but I do not feel like I formed any actionable thoughts about either of them from it tbh.-
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The read on Ydra was a page one read lol. I just got here, and was trying to get into the thread, and that was a page 1 thought.In post 429, catboi wrote: It's possible I have pre-biased myself against your slot, Luke, since I stated in no uncertain terms what my opinion was prior to the rep-in. However, I don't like the read on ydrasse, and I don't really like the push on pooky. The ydrasse read felt too free, too easy, assigning credit to a reaction that doesn't seem especially alignment indicative and I think most people wouldn't read anything into. Going after pooky there just feels like...trying to manufacturesomethingbut I don't think it looks like especially well thought out reasoning, just a very simplistic point about him backing down too quickly.
Since then, I quite liked that she was the only one vocally town reading my slot as it gained votes, and it makes me want to nod along and call her town for it, but also, I am aware that that is just as likely to be a scum stance to take.
I then liked the way that she seemed like she was struggling to find the exact right words to explain why she thought that elle was town. It felt like she was repeatedly responding to people with something along the lines of "that is not quite what I meant, actually..." which made it feel like she had a Real Thought that she was trying to get across.
But then, SirCakez suggestion that she sounded informed did worry me, because if I did not know Elle's alignment, I do not think I would have been town reading her, so it gave me pause.
I think that overall, I would not be interested in voting her because of the explanation thing ringing true to me like she had Specific Throughts that she felt it important to be clear on.
I am also mellowing on Pooky (moved the vote and everything lol). It struck me as odd, I said that, and then answered the follow up questions. But those were my immediate thoughts on reading the interaction.-
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Your line of questioning with Dunn did not appear to lead to you voicing any thoughts on Dunn's alignment wrt his Catboi read, nor did you seem to argue that Catboi was scum. It was just "but scum catboi COULD do that too, so you should not town read him." And that being the where that conversation led, left me with that impression.In post 430, GuiltyLion wrote: @Luke - I don't really think any of you, Dunn, or catboi have been townie, so I am indeed trying to get a feel for Dunn's alignment and challenging Ydra on why she TRed your slot
it's kinda disingenuous to frame that as "weaken early town reads" as opposed to, y'know, scumhunting
I also, just, in general do not trust that sort of argument as genuine, because it seems to set a precedent that in order to think someone is more likely to be town, you must believe that their actions could not be replicated. And that is a very silly bar to set for town reads.-
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I have caught up to the point where I repped in, and already feel like I have been staring at this game for too many hours today-
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I feel like this whole take ignores the context of the fact that I just repped in away from the posts.In post 429, catboi wrote: The ydrasse read felt too free, too easy, assigning credit to a reaction that doesn't seem especially alignment indicative and I think most people wouldn't read anything into. Going after pooky there just feels like...trying to manufacture something but I don't think it looks like especially well thought out reasoning, just a very simplistic point about him backing down too quickly.
Because, yeah, that would be a super weak reason to town read Ydra, on the 5th irl day of the game. But that was my page 1 town pings, posted 5 mins after I repped in, when I had read exactly 1 page of the game.
And the thing with Pooky was my first vote of the game. Made 1 hour into catching up.
I think it is pretty common knowledge that I spew my thoughts into the thread, as I am having them, so I am not really sure why you would expect more nuanced takes from me at the 5 min or the 1 hour mark tbh.-
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Not sure tbh.In post 438, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 420, Lukewarm wrote:
And I am trying to say that the way you went about sorting the question did not feel genuine.In post 417, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: yea the point is i dont know
I did not see a gut reaction scum read, and I did not see an analytical take on why she would do that as scum (You never voiced a reason to think she was town before the post you just made).
You just pushed back at her half heartedly when she pushed you, and then dropped it.
And that feels off to me.
And thinking about it from a scum POV, "tell me a flavor that makes sense as a miller" into "sure that flavor makes sense" into "pivoting away from the double miller claim" seems like a reasonable plan of action given the situation.
ok what else should I have done to sort her other than asking for her flavor
Like I said, I don't think that I would have questioned a "scum would be less likely to take this path, so meuh is +town" take from you. Or a gut reaction scum read from you.
But it was the way you went from joking/cordial when she first claimed, into telling her to flavor claim or its a scum claim, into dropping, that just did not sit right with me.
But, I have been swayed as I read more of the thread and thought more about it. I have you back in null territory at this point.-
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I asked because you seemed very focused on convincing me that you are town. But you are also voting for me.
But I liked your response well enough.
What do you think is the most noteworthy thing to push on at this point, if not that?In post 446, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: like I don't really get how you reread the game to here and came to that as the most noteworthy thing to push on
it feels like its been cherrypicked out of GL's iso to fit a specific narrative that is not actually even that convincing tbh
I don't really feel like anyone has jumped out and claimed scum yet at this point, do you feel like I missed something?
I have bell and meuh as both likely town. Soft leaning town on Ydra.
I thought a lot about you, but the passion behind that scum read went away.
Cakez posts have largely felt like ones that I don't know how to sort one way or the other, although I did like his take on Ydra seeming informed (even if I am not sure I agree) as a reasonable suspicion that he could have in the moment that he voiced it.
Dunn and Catboi, I don't have either down as town, but did not see any particularly noteworthy reason to suspect them either.
And then there is my GL suspicion, so that is where my vote is.
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I don't know man, 414, 439, and 442 all came across to me like you were trying to change my mind.In post 451, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: what r u smoking i do not care about your read on me at all my goal is to figure out if you are mafia blowing smoke up my ass.
Especially 442, which came across as you genuinely trying to explain to me the town thought process that led to your actions, and did not come with any questions or anything for me.-
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Maybe I was wrong to phrase it as "very focused on convincing me" so much as: I read 442, and it did not feel like the way someone would respond to someone that they thought was scum -- but you were voting me. So I asked about your read
And your response felt more like you were on the fence, and that disconnect went away.
I think I actually am swinging towards you just being town after actually interacting with you.-
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I do not think that it is unreasonable to not be swayed by Dunn's reasons. I wasn't. I still don't have a read on catboi.In post 453, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: like gls thoughts on catboi exactly mirror my own. so they make sense to me. i just dont bother to question dflors townread cuz i think its tactically bad.
It also did not bother me that he asked Dunn to explain the read, that is also reasonable. My issue was where GL went after that.
It did not read to me, like GL was trying to divine if Dunn's read was a plausibly genuine read or not, and therefore whether having that read was scummy or not. At least, I did not see anything about that coming from GL's posts following Dunn's explanation.
Instead, it seemed like he pivoted into trying to convince Dunn not to have that read. And he was not even arguing that Cartboi is scum. Just that Dunn should not have a town read because it ispossiblefor scum to replicate it.
I don't see why a townie would actually care if Dunn has a day 1 town read on Catboi, especially one Dunn openly said he is not married to
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But there is scum motivation to stop people from forming too many town reads.-
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Okay.In post 458, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: wild take wholly unfounded in reality
You are welcome to continue to argue that my concern [which I have already convinced myself is unfounded once I had a better understanding of your read on me], is unfounded.
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If the bar of expectation for me to possibly be town is "have a scum read that I find palatable by page 20" or you are scum, then I don't know why that is your bar for me, nor do I intend to stress myself out striving to meet it.
I have given you my reads, and you just don't like them, which :shrug:-
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I was responding directly to the comment that that could not be the most interesting thing I found during my catch up, so purposefully mentioned every player -- including the ones I did not have a read on.In post 466, SirCakez wrote: Like some is fine but some of it like the read on me, on Dunn and Catboi seems kinda manufactured/positioning himself and then the last line just feels like scum annoyed at being pushed for wrong reasons type vibe-
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I do not think that I am generally very good at convincing people I am town once I am on the "back foot" as pooky put it, and the thread starts being about me (to be fair, this is probably as true if I were scum as it is when I am town).
And seeing as how I hit E-1 already, and I don't plan on throwing myself all into "proving myself" or what ever, so I think I'll just claim.
I am a 2-shot Tracker.
So, yall can discuss if yall are killing me for claiming, or letting me live for being a PR, and decide on that basis.
And I'll just skip the hassle of trying so hard if I am dying today.-
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I am The Perpetually High-strung Stressball.In post 479, catboi wrote:
what's your flavorIn post 474, Lukewarm wrote: I do not think that I am generally very good at convincing people I am town once I am on the "back foot" as pooky put it, and the thread starts being about me (to be fair, this is probably as true if I were scum as it is when I am town).
And seeing as how I hit E-1 already, and I don't plan on throwing myself all into "proving myself" or what ever, so I think I'll just claim.
I am a 2-shot Tracker.
So, yall can discuss if yall are killing me for claiming, or letting me live for being a PR, and decide on that basis.
And I'll just skip the hassle of trying so hard if I am dying today.
The flavor text was basically keeping up with other peoples study habits, including pressuring Prism to study more (with them)-
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Why do you have the two of us grouped together in this thought?In post 482, catboi wrote: Still feels like there's probably a scum between Luke and GL but it's not something that needs immediate resolution in my opinion.-
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I feel like I said it fairly clearly in the post you quoted here, but I did not have an issue with GL questioning Dunn's read. And the thing that pinged me was his comments to dunn after dunn explained the read.In post 477, catboi wrote: Maybe I am ascribing too much to the unsaid, but I thought it was pretty plausible that GL's questioning of Dunn was for exactly the reason of figuring out if it was genuine or not.
I do feel a bit like I am beating a dead horse at this point. But I also don't know where I can find a living horse to beat until more people come post more things.-
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In post 495, catboi wrote:
My feeling is you're pushing him and he's been pushing your slot, I don't strongly townread either of you, it just feels like dynamic where there's a scum usually. Either he caught elle and you saw pushing back as the only viable angle or he was going at you in bad faith and you saw through it. ItIn post 483, Lukewarm wrote:
Why do you have the two of us grouped together in this thought?In post 482, catboi wrote: Still feels like there's probably a scum between Luke and GL but it's not something that needs immediate resolution in my opinion.doesn'tfeel like a town vs. town dynamic, at least to me.
This line feels disconnected from what has actually happened in the thread.
While his vote is on my slot, I did not get the impression that GL was particularly pushing my slot when I read through. and even looking back, he voted elle, and explained that vote, but then largely has been focused else where. He has like 2 total posts about Elle 146 253
So it feels really strange to me that you are framing it as us mutually pushing one another, or that the scenario in which I am town is one where I saw through that and recognized a bad faith push - especially since my issues with GL had nothing to do with anything he said about Elle.-
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I am still trying to get a feel for your thoughts, so that was not a particularly helpful response.
I am trying to figure out why me flipping town would influence how likely you feel GL is to be scum.-
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You said that part of it was because we were mutually pushing each other, and I counted that by saying that GL has not been particularly pushing me.
Does that change your take on whether me flipping town would bolster a GL scum read? Or do you feel like I missed something from the GL push?
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On a different note
The idea that if I were scum, I might mirror my PoV to yours in particular is kind of silly, but I also think it is a townie paranoia to have.In post 494, Meuh wrote: Luke's entrance overlaps a lot with my own perspective on the game over time and I don't know if that's something I should feel good or bad about
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I think that I am convincing myself that GL is town, and that catboi is positioning to eliminate him after killing me for being a tracker.
Both because he linked the two of us together in a way that seems disingenuous, but also in the same post of doing that just side stepped eliminating inside the pair entirely for the day.
Especially when reading 502, and his pivot into Dunn feels toothless, like it was just The Best Option Left. Not like he even thought his thoughts on Dunn were Good.-
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I was not saying that I felt like you were trying to eliminate me. I specifically meant night kill me, and then use my town flip to elim GL.In post 506, catboi wrote: I literally just said we shouldn't vote you Day 1 so I don't know where you're getting the idea I'm trying to eliminate you. I would only push to eliminate you if you weren't NKed
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My issue is that you seemed more confident in there being scum between me and GL, yet chose Dunn.In post 506, catboi wrote: Why do I have to have a scumread I feel confident about on Day 1?
Your stated position is that you GL is one of the lower people in your reads, and that his flip would give you insight into me, so that seems like the direction that would be more natural.
But you didn't go that direction. Instead, you voted you weaker read, and punted the Luke/GL pair down the road.-
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That is ass backwards from what I actually said lol.In post 539, catboi wrote:
Luke, I want to revisit this. You're scumreading me here because my vote is "toothless", because I lack passion behind it.In post 505, Lukewarm wrote: I think that I am convincing myself that GL is town, and that catboi is positioning to eliminate him after killing me for being a tracker.
Both because he linked the two of us together in a way that seems disingenuous, but also in the same post of doing that just side stepped eliminating inside the pair entirely for the day.
Especially when reading 502, and his pivot into Dunn feels toothless, like it was just The Best Option Left. Not like he even thought his thoughts on Dunn were Good.
The toothless vote on Dunn was not the issue. My issue was (1) seeing you link my alignment to someone else, and not liking the explanation on why you did that. And (2) seeing you not pursue that joint read, in a way that I saw as strategically advantageous to you if you were scum.
The toothless part was more how I thought about whether it made sense for town!you, who genuinely believed (1), to still do (2). And I realized I would have been more understanding of that, had you been passionate about the Dunn read as well. But you weren't.
But you - you've seen my scumgame. Do you think I, at any time as scum, come across as dispassionate? As lacking the will to put conviction behind a push?
I am fully aware that you could fake a passionate scum read. But, given the overall energy level of the thread (or lack there of), I do not know that you would have any reason to feel like you needed to put one together, or that doing so would have helped you at the time.
Your vote on Dunn, when ignoring your stated position on me/GL, was generally inoffensive.-
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ebwopIn post 540, Lukewarm wrote:
That is ass backwards from what I actually said lol.In post 539, catboi wrote:
Luke, I want to revisit this. You're scumreading me here because my vote is "toothless", because I lack passion behind it.In post 505, Lukewarm wrote: I think that I am convincing myself that GL is town, and that catboi is positioning to eliminate him after killing me for being a tracker.
Both because he linked the two of us together in a way that seems disingenuous, but also in the same post of doing that just side stepped eliminating inside the pair entirely for the day.
Especially when reading 502, and his pivot into Dunn feels toothless, like it was just The Best Option Left. Not like he even thought his thoughts on Dunn were Good.
The toothless vote on Dunn was not the issue. My issue was (1) seeing you link my alignment to someone else, and not liking the explanation on why you did that. And (2) seeing you not pursue that joint read, in a way that I saw as strategically advantageous to you if you were scum.
The toothless part was more how I thought about whether it made sense for town!you, who genuinely believed (1), to still do (2). And I realized I would have been more understanding of that, had you been passionate about the Dunn read as well. But you weren't.
I am fully aware that you could fake a passionate scum read. But, given the overall energy level of the thread (or lack there of), I do not know that you would have any reason to feel like you needed to put one together, or that doing so would have helped you at the time.But you - you've seen my scumgame. Do you think I, at any time as scum, come across as dispassionate? As lacking the will to put conviction behind a push?
Your vote on Dunn, when ignoring your stated position on me/GL, was generally inoffensive.-
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I kind of want to go back and look at everyone's stances on Catboi before/after I called out my scum read on him, to see if so many people scum reading him now makes sense. Because when I wrote up my suspicions, I did it while feeling like the possibility of him getting eliminated was very low and that actually gunning for his elimination was a pointless endeavor.
And if there are people who switched their read, double check their stated read on me, because shifting that read after a case presented by someone you are scum reading, but letting live just because they claimed a PR, feels weird.
I do see that he only has 2 votes, but it does feel like there was a really heavy shift in his direction that I was not expecting.-
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In general, there felt like there was enough of a shift, in a short enough time, that it has me worried that there could be opportunistic scum in there, and is making me second guess and want to be cautious before moving to actual eliminate him.
But also, in my quick scan of todays posts, I feel like there was a lot of ATE in catbois posts, in a way that makes me want to actually just kill him.
Yes, I am waffling. But, I also plan on shifting through some of this right now, and hopefully I can finish my breakfast (the afore mentioned waffle), and pick a direction.-
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I went down a rabbit hole in the last hour or so lol.
Okay, so, Catboi made a post about me self resolving with time, and it reminded me of a game where it was argued back and forth whether or not a tracker claim would resolve itself, and I seemed to remember that it was catboi making the argument that it would not.
So just spent longer then I would like to admit trying to hunt down the game, to compare. But, it turns out that the person was NOT catboi, it was DUNN.
In this game, PYP, Marci was run up day 1, and then claimed tracker, and then some people backed off. Save The Dragons, voted her before the claim, but then was repeatedly saying that Marci would self resolve as a claimed tracker, and Dunn used that as a basis to claim that STD and Marci were scum partners, and asked repeatedly how the tracker claim would resolve itself.
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But then this game, Dunn had me in his scum pool, but voted for someone else when I claimed tracker, and has not commented on Catboi's claim that I self resolve at all.
@Dunn, why were you all for killing Marci day 1 post tracker claim in that game, and suspicious of claims that a tracker would self resolve // but not feeling the need to voice anything along those lines in this game? Either about the decision to let me live for my claim, or in response to Catboi's claim that I self resolve?-
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If I am wrong, and you genuinely feel this way about my suspicions on you, I am sorry.In post 599, catboi wrote: Luke is simply mad I dared to suspect him. He is probably town and gets resolved mechanically either way. I wish he would not play so emotionally, but at his core he's still the same newbie I flew off the handle at for deathtunneling me a couple years ago.
I don't know that it helps to rebuff the idea or not, but I had you squarely in the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ category when you were actively posting about suspecting me. My suspicions on you did not spark into existence until after you accepted that I was not the elim for the day.
So, from my PoV, I don't really feel like it had much of anything to do with your suspecting me? But I also don't claim to have 100% internal subconscious monitoring, so idk.-
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I do not currently have a town read on Ydra, fwiw.In post 599, catboi wrote: Luke is town reading her because she made a joke on page 1 and because she is defending his slot. I think this is obviously terrible reasoning n face value. Early game gutreads are not very likely to be accurate, and townreading someone simply for defending you means you are highly likely to fall into a pocket. Scum defend players who otherwise look to be uncontested wagons all the time. I think he is biased because he disliked being run up so quickly upon entering the game (which to be fair is an entirely understandable response), and so has latched on to anyone he saw as being protective of him.
My post about liking her page 1 post was never something that was going to influence my read of her long term, unless I continually ran into the Nice Vibes over and over during the catch up. It was a my gut reaction to the post, that I said out loud into the thread, because I was live tweeting my catch up, and starting out immediately with putting out Thoughts and Content, so that people would start talking to me, for me to get into the game. That stopped being a factor of my thoughts on Ydra very quickly.
I also recognized the potential of her white knighting my slot, and yes, I was drawn into it somewhat when I felt completely iced out from the game, but again, my emphasis on that have lessened over time.
I would say that currently, the only thing I have in my head as to why I might want to sort her town is this:
Because I do think that caring about the exact specifics of the reasons she was trying to call Elle town points a little more towards an actual thought, then a scum who is just generally trying to position themselves as Having a Read, and Later Being Proven Right.In post 435, Lukewarm wrote: It felt like she was repeatedly responding to people with something along the lines of "that is not quite what I meant, actually..." which made it feel like she had a Real Thought that she was trying to get across.
But I am also conscious of the fact that that is the only coherent thought I have had about Ydra's alignment so far this game, and that is not actually a good thing.-
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No, I am a trackerIn post 660, Bell wrote: Hey Luke, just checking in but are you lying about your role claim?-
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Is this something that you are claiming that I am doing this game (but you cant kill me cause Tracker)?In post 613, catboi wrote: As for the "regardless of alignment" thing - it's partly salty on my part, no way around it, but it's also a theory I have. I think when a town player is really overconfident and trying to aggressively steer the game, they're usually wrong and usually harmful. On self-reflection, that's where all my worst moments come from. I've witnessed other players run games into the ground by being ego-driven and steamrolling everyone who opposed them. I think GL is tipping close to that in terms of how he's handling me. (Luke also does this but like I can't really suggest policy killing him because I think he's probably town)-
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I know that he was explicitly saying that GL was doing that. I was asking if this lineIn post 666, Dunnstral wrote:
They are talking about GuiltyLion thereIn post 665, Lukewarm wrote:
Is this something that you are claiming that I am doing this game (but you cant kill me cause Tracker)?In post 613, catboi wrote: As for the "regardless of alignment" thing - it's partly salty on my part, no way around it, but it's also a theory I have. I think when a town player is really overconfident and trying to aggressively steer the game, they're usually wrong and usually harmful. On self-reflection, that's where all my worst moments come from. I've witnessed other players run games into the ground by being ego-driven and steamrolling everyone who opposed them. I think GL is tipping close to that in terms of how he's handling me. (Luke also does this but like I can't really suggest policy killing him because I think he's probably town)
Was saying that I am also doing it /this game/, but can't suggest I be policied /this game/(Luke also does this but like I can't really suggest policy killing him because I think he's probably town)-
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Dunn, I liked your response to my questions about the tracker thing well enough.
I think I wasted like an hour tonight on that.-
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I don't know that I would kill someone for ate, in general.In post 653, Bell wrote: You'd kill someone for aTe?
But when I am already suspecting someone, and then there is a lot of it, it makes it hard for me to further engage with the read.
So, I think about just killing them to avoid having to wade through the mess of it, because if someone is actually upset, arguing that they are faking being upset feels like being a dick, but just accepting it as genuine feels like falling for ate.
So, I do have the urge to just kill, and let the flip answer the question.
In this exact instance, I think I am trying to just look at the other stuff around it for the time being.-
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The claim came after you said you were considering voting catboi, as did the last two pages.In post 674, SirCakez wrote: catboi the reason I was/am considering voting you is because your reaction to the recent pressure on you has felt off tonally, it feels like way more concerned with the votes then I feel like you'd normally respond as town. I mean just look at the last two pages - I feel like that claim was really dramatic and unprompted and it doesn't feel organic.
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Can you be more specific about which posts on page 22 made you feel that his "reaction to the recent pressure on you has felt off tonally, it feels like way more concerned with the votes then I feel like you'd normally respond as town," and why?-
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