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I am the ICs, which stand for "Inexperienced Challenged" player. My primary job is to help guide you through whatever part of the game you're struggling with and to demonstrate "typical play" to a certain degree. Mafia is an interesting game where there are not really "right" and "wrong" answers; certain things produce better results than others and certain things work better for some people than they do for others, the key is developing a playstyle that allows you to figure out where you're going wrong and improve as a result. As a result, the two ways that I will be the most useful to you are by answering questions - any question (what are you doing? why are you doing this? does that really work?) I will answer to the best of my ability, and, if you're interesting in learning, the best thing to do is ask questions. The second way I will be useful to you is the observations you can make from my play and my interactions with the more experienced players - you'll learn how to get a game started, you'll learn how I tend to lead, and you'll learn how I hunt scum or how I fool town. As an IC, it is not my job to hold back or baby you - I'll treat you just how I treat any other player I come across, which means that if I'm reading as scum, I won't give you room unless you earn it. If my play is bothering you, of course, don't hesitate to talk to me about it - I am at the end of the day a reasonable person despite my aggression and it's not my intention to make this experience unfun for you in any way.In post 11, Superhans wrote:LicketyQuickety, what do you mean by IC? You're an experienced ayer right, meant to help us noobs? Are can ICs be assigned as mafia?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Content doesn't spring from nothing; there were probably things that you could have done to get the game moving at this point.In post 13, Lovesick wrote:ICs can be any alignment I believe, they're here to help the new, troubled players with the ways things work and etc however no more than that - correct me if I'm wrong though. Hopefully we have a spike of activity at one point otherwise this game may get difficult."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I don't agree with this.In post 23, Rautherdir wrote:The goal for day one is to create conversation. A self-vote doesn't really have the ability to do that. Which is why it's considered scummy to vote for yourself.
I don't think that self-voting yourself is scummy; most things are about the intention behind them and at the end of the day scum don't really have that much reason to vote for yourself. I do think that self-votes can generate discussion; they are a thing that confuses people and when people are confused they tend to talk. Whether the content generated is meaningful is a different story but typically content is generated."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I don't really understand what you're saying here.In post 24, Rautherdir wrote:However, the reason I didn't vote for TheDominator37 is because we need that conversation to happen. A bandwagon on day 1 does almost nothing if we aren't actually talking.
You think Dom is the scummiest due to the self-vote, and you want to vote him. However, you're not voting him because people haven't talked enough to get a wagon going? Is that correct?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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LQ obviously didn't say anything about the cop outing Day 2.In post 27, ConnorJC wrote:
So you're saying you would want a cop to come out day 2 and tell the mafia who they are?In post 6, LicketyQuickety wrote: As my first action, the cop isgoingto investigate Nachomamma8 and you are going to Town read me for saying such.
Doesn't seem like town play to me
VOTE: LicketyQuickety
If you are town, you assumed something about LQ's statement that you shouldn't have. If you are scum, you just stretched your neck out too far to make a bad attack. I think that it's the latter; convince me otherwise.
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Odd that you'd have a townread on someone after they just accused you of trying to get the cop to out when that wasn't the case at all.In post 30, LicketyQuickety wrote:Town read on Connor JC."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Why would town do it?In post 45, Rautherdir wrote:That's not odd. That's what town would do. I didn't mean to include the second part of my last post, didn't notice Connor had posted about it already.
Why wouldn't scum do it?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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And yet LQ didn't say anything about cop outing to confirm that they made that investigation.In post 46, ConnorJC wrote:The only way we'd know a cop actually made that investigation is if they came out and claimed cop and said what they did. It's not town's job to convince other players they are town, instead, it's town's job to find scum.
Town's job is more than just "finding scum". Town's job is being townread by other players, it's presenting their cases in a way that convinces people that they're right and gets people to convince you of a different way if you're wrong. Town's job is mediating conflicts between players that could cause damage to the town as a whole, it's about keeping players contributing and engaged so they become more emotionally invested which makes them harder to lynch and more likely to take an investment in the arguments presented."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Do you think that it makes sense for the reaction test to get a good result from people who misrepresent what he's saying? Do you think misrepresenting others is a townie thing to do?In post 46, ConnorJC wrote:As he said, it was a reaction test."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Can you back it up?In post 47, LicketyQuickety wrote:Yes, well, I don't read people in a traditional way.
If you have reasoning that trends outside the box, then that's "non-traditional".
If you don't, then you're reading with gut which is plenty traditional if incredibly difficult to calibrate."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Hmmm.In post 54, Rautherdir wrote:Town would do it because it helps bring attention to someone with knowledge of the starting scenario, i.e. a power role that could be mafia or town.
Mafia wouldn't do it because it lets information about the game slip. (Namely, it would narrow down the possibilities for the starting scenario and what other power roles are out there.)
The only way that LQ would have information about the starting scenario is if he was a power role or mafia; if he was a power role, I personally don't think that he'd be interested in painting a huge target on his back and hinting to the other PR (if one exists) that he is town early is silly when he can confirm himself if he has to by claiming."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I never said that town could win just by getting townread; instead, my response was geared towards showing that there were a lot of moving pieces in winning a game as town. In this scenario, responding to me means that A) you're gaining a better understanding of my reading of you, which is a good hint to my alignment B) you're convincing me that you're town, which means that I'll direct pressure elsewhere and thus you're improving town's chances of finding scum, and C) you're creating an interaction for everyone to observe, which will make both of our respective alignments clearer to the town.In post 56, ConnorJC wrote:Town cannot win by simply getting townread. While town should not play so scummy that they are randomly getting scumread, trying to convince one player I'm town is a waste of time I could be using to find scum (A way better outcome).
I don't think that it's a "waste of time" to engage another player who is suspecting you."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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He said that people were going to read him town because he said that the cop should investigate me. He didn't say that people were going to read him town because of the check itself.In post 56, ConnorJC wrote:He said that we would read him town because of the cop check. For that to happen we'd have to know about the check."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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The only town that knows there's a cop is the cop. Doctor knows there could be a cop or a tracker but doesn't know for sure.In post 58, ConnorJC wrote:
Town would almost never post something like that with actually info, as the only town that can know there's a cop is the doctor. Also, the mafia will have a roleblocker, so they'll probably be able to guess that person's a doc.In post 48, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Why would town do it?In post 45, Rautherdir wrote:That's not odd. That's what town would do. I didn't mean to include the second part of my last post, didn't notice Connor had posted about it already.
Why wouldn't scum do it?
Mafia don't know if there is a cop in the setup or not."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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There's no reason to point this out before LQ has a chance to respond; Superhaus was probably directing that question at LQ in order to get a better read on him, which he can't do as effectively if you're providing all of LQ's answers for him.In post 62, ConnorJC wrote:I think he was looking for someone to point out the fact that he looks like he has knowledge of the setup, but maybe I'm wrong."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Either LQ is scum, or your premise that his information is real is a false premise because the only motivation that makes sense for someone with information is that he's attempting to narrow down the setup, which to me seems like a pretty big risk for the possibility of a tiny gain. I think that he was probably bullshitting with the cop stuff.In post 68, Rautherdir wrote:So, are you saying LQ is scum?
Also, Mafia Roleblocker would know one of two different sets of power roles could be in play. If LQ is a Mafia Roleblocker than they are finding out which is valid."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I never said "let's get into a long drawn out argument that benefits nobody but scum" and as far as I can see there aren't any signs that we were headed in that direction. Is there something that I was missing, or did you maybe pull away a bit prematurely?In post 69, ConnorJC wrote:My point is that I'd like to avoid getting into a long drawn out argument that benefits nobody but scum."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Mafia roleblocker knows that the setup is either cop and a doc OR Jailkeeper and a BP. They don't know if there's a cop or not.In post 70, toblerone187 wrote:
Am I correct though that if there is a mafia roleblocker they know there may be a cop (and a doc)?In post 66, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mafia don't know if there is a cop in the setup or not."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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LQ's one of the three SEs this game.In post 74, Rautherdir wrote:Probably. He's the IC, it was likely a conversation starter.
I'm the only IC.
I agree with your conclusion, though."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Just clarifying in case what he meant to say was slightly off from what he said.In post 79, ConnorJC wrote:"Am I correct though that if there is a mafia roleblocker they know there may be a cop (and a doc)?"
Yes, yes he is."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Which is why I didn't tell you to do it directly, I just told you to do it and encouraged that you didn't just ignore me in the process.In post 80, ConnorJC wrote:You told me to convince you that I'm town. That's basically the start of an argument between you and me if I try to do that directly.
But, that's neither here nor there; I'm townreading you as a result at this point and pushing a townread will only get me so far."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Better question: When is it a bad idea to lurker-hunt?In post 84, Rautherdir wrote:But anyways: At what point is it good to go lurker-hunting?
Answer: Never.
Vote: Lovesick"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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(For a more complete response, hunting lurkers or people who haven't contributed much at all is generally a good idea - most people are uncomfortable fooling people and thus have more trouble posting content as scum than town; you typically don't want to lynch someone for lurking because people lurk for many more reasons than their alignment, but if you have a bunch of townreads elsewhere and you're not ignoring something actively scummy just to lynch a lurker, then generally lurkerhunting is a good idea. In this particular situation, I prefer Lovesick over the other two since Lovesick's post was the most alignment-neutral; FP and Dom at least tried to do something with their opening while Lovesick just answered a question that she'd have the same answer to as either alignment)."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Why just focus on the other two?In post 95, Rautherdir wrote:Of those other two I think FancyPants is the scummiest. So,
VOTE: FancyPants"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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RVS (the opening stage) is typically characterized by voting people for silly reasons. Sometimes I participate, sometimes I don't, but voting early game for a silly reason is as alignment-neutral as alignment-neutral gets.
It's okay to hunt multiple lurkers at once but if one deserves suspicion more than the other two then it seems smarter to combine efforts on one."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I'd say that Superhaus's approach was townier than not, but I don't think that it said anything about Connor's alignment. Do you?In post 105, LicketyQuickety wrote:Could be, likely actually, but as what alignment is what I think is more interesting."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Well, you made a post that looked sketchy (in particular, by pretending to have knowledge of a cop in the game) in order to generate information. That is bullshitting.In post 105, LicketyQuickety wrote:What makes you think I was BS with the cop thing? I did it to generate content as well as making a true statement (if the is a cop and its not you) as well as a reaction test. Tell me what is "BS" about that?
Your suggestion to have the cop investigate me was also something that I thought you were lying about because it's remarkably short-sighted; cop wants to investigate people who will be alive; if I am scum and you don't feel you can catch me on play, you can catch me by my partner's play and you can catch me by forming town blocks; wasting an investigative role on someone who scum probably needs to shoot eventually is silly."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I do.In post 189, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 187, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I'd say that Superhaus's approach was townier than not, but I don't think that it said anything about Connor's alignment. Do you?In post 105, LicketyQuickety wrote:Could be, likely actually, but as what alignment is what I think is more interesting.
No.
Reread that post. I questioned why Super made such a quick change to voting a lurker. You disagree?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Asking someone what they are doing when they are doing something confusing is not fishing; it's proper play.In post 105, LicketyQuickety wrote:You are a (slight [which you misinterpreted]) Scum read for fishing for info in a way that is not clearly town mindset. You are smart which is why I am saying this."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I expect the "combine our efforts" phraseology gave away pretty solidly what the purpose of the vote was, and Superhaus's assertion that he'd unvote when Lovesick gave content showed that he picked up on that purpose. It would be a scummy change of mindset of what he made was a vote with the intention of lynching, but that pretty clearly wasn't the case.In post 105, LicketyQuickety wrote:That's a fast change mate, mind explaining?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I don't like this attempt to take credit for starting conversation; it should be obvious that very little (if any at all) discussion is centering around your self-vote.In post 110, TheDominator37 wrote:
It seems to be working rnIn post 23, Rautherdir wrote:The goal for day one is to create conversation. A self-vote doesn't really have the ability to do that. Which is why it's considered scummy to vote for yourself.
I also don't like the vote on Superhaus; seems like an easy vote to make with LQ backing you up.
Vote: TheDominator37"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Saying that you were bullshitting wasn't a criticism of your play, merely an observation that you weren't telling the whole truth.In post 197, LicketyQuickety wrote:Well, It gave me a Town read that you don't disagree with."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I got townreads on a few of the players who were around early game because it seemed like they were hitting the ground running; you didn't. I made the vote with the knowledge that I could be taking it off shortly after you showed up and posted; that doesn't necessarily mean that it's time wasted.In post 113, Lovesick wrote:What's the cause of this bandwagon on me again? Inactivity? That's a bit unfair if you ask me considering i was asleep during all of the activity. (I wont be quoting posts because my only available source of playing this is my phone so I don't know how to format my posts with quotations on this particular forum)"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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You keep framing the wagons like they have no purpose unless they are perfectly justified - nothing in mafia will be perfectly justified. Oftentimes you will catch scum for the wrong reasons. Content generation is about putting people in positions where they will have alignment-relevant reactions; maybe everyone votes you and you simply flake out (not alignment indicative), or maybe you get fired up and try to read the people voting you (what you did). I'm fine with giving people room as far as lynching is concerned, but I have no problems with pursuing a lead whenever and wherever I might find them.In post 113, Lovesick wrote:So Nachos, how is it a good idea to start hunting for lurkers when 24 hours hasn't past, not giving the players enough time to post as they may have things going on in their lives or are simply asleep? Also for the others which had jumped the wagon on myself, explain to me what type of evidence are you trying to gather from this?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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If I have solid townreads on three people and I lynch a lurker, I have a 40% chance of lynching scum. If I have solid townreads on 5 people and I lynch a lurker, I have a 66% chance of lynching scum. You point out that the odds are against us early but that shouldn't mean anything; when we lynch we aren't lynching randomly and waiting for information to fall into our lap is silly when there is no guarantee it will ever do so.In post 113, Lovesick wrote:Personally in my opinion, the only right moment for lurker hunting is if they had contributed nothing at all and half of our given time has gone. I mean otherwise, hunting for lurkers is a very easy way of lynching players and if done right, can be an advantage to the scum more so than the town as the ratio of mafia to town is 2:7."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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If your reasons are good, what use is there in hiding them?In post 115, LicketyQuickety wrote:
yes, I have reasons for my unconventional reads, but I don't like to explain them so I try and get people to do what I want though other means. I've been playing a lot less "direct" lately. Take that for what you will.In post 55, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Can you back it up?In post 47, LicketyQuickety wrote:Yes, well, I don't read people in a traditional way.
If you have reasoning that trends outside the box, then that's "non-traditional".
If you don't, then you're reading with gut which is plenty traditional if incredibly difficult to calibrate.
here and here for reference of my reasoning."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Connor misrepresented you in order to leverage an attack on you, which is the reasoning I gave for voting him before. I began to dislike the push when he continued scumhunting; his response to my "convince me that you're town" comment also had some pretty genuine lines (such as encouraging me to convince everyone else that he was scummy) that I didn't think would come from scum.In post 117, LicketyQuickety wrote:And now I have a question for you Nacho: No talk of RVS, no initial opening IC post. In other words, your experience is showing. Why vote Connor?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I disagree that the purpose of the vote was defeated; he wanted Lovesick to take positions on things, she took positions on things. I don't think it's a problem to be non-committal with things; it's not like everyone is confident in the early early stages of the game.In post 129, LicketyQuickety wrote:1) You said you would unvote them once they posted, so not only is this a non-committal vote, but it defeats the purpose of the vote in the first place."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Why wasn't it fruitful?In post 296, Superhans wrote:Nacho, we've kinda moved on from discussing the Lovesick Wagon, as it wasn't really that fruitful."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Superhaus asked for opinions, not concrete stances; I don't think that there's a rule.that you need to flesh out your own reads before asking for the reads of others.In post 129, LicketyQuickety wrote:2) You are asking something of someone that you haven't done adequately enough yourself ie. reads. You make it sound like the lurker should have definite stances at this point in the game, when you yourself are not doing anything close to that."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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The scumread on me wasn't original? Who was she sheeping on it? What is your read on her and why?In post 305, Superhans wrote:Huge amounts of arguments in which Lovesick was ONLY commenting large amounts of defensive content, and not actually offering anything original at all."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I can't say that I believe that "other people might find this scummy!" should ever be a reason not to press submit as town.In post 129, LicketyQuickety wrote:You then go on to interpret why I read the post as Scummy, so you clearly know at least part of the reason for why it is Scummy, which leaves me wondering why you made the post in the first place as Town..."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I think it would be more precise to say that Superhaus was rattled moreso than scummy; sometimes you get under people's skin regardless of their alignment. As town, Superhaus is probably rattled because he feels like he's made a mistake as town (which is consistent with his belief that the Lovesick wagon was fruitless) and is freaking out about it a tiny bit whereas if he was scum he was scared because you caught him with his hand in the cookie jar. Either way, I'm not sure the nervousness itself is alignment indicative.In post 129, LicketyQuickety wrote:both saying about the same thing (one just more elaborate) and that makes for an over explanation and over explanations (in defence) are Scummy in my book."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Why is not paying attention worth a vote?In post 130, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I take issue with this... Nacho is a much much better player than myself. I also detailed that I am NOT the IC this game because I didn't/don't want the responsibility.In post 74, Rautherdir wrote:Probably. He's the IC, it was likely a conversation starter.
VOTE: Rautherdir
You are not paying attention."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In this specific situatuon, if you weren't annoyed at the bandwagon on you that you thought was started unfair reasons, you might not have had the same emotional engagement you had otherwise; sometimes lurking is a tell of a player who would rather wait until they have more solid information to act upon until doing something and early pressure is a way to bring them into the fold. You're right that the reactions are probably more personality indicative than alignment indicative but better understanding of a person's personality is still useful and having that reaction for later once we understand you better is still just as useful.In post 131, Lovesick wrote:How can you possibly want a 'lurker' to act aggressively if you had not seen their playstyle so you have no idea if their preferable playstyle is exactly what you want? It has never made sense to me as to why people pressure vote so early when there is minimal content related to them. Playstyle/reaction also barely defines what alignment they may be - especially in a newbie game where there can be relatively new players who have no idea as to how to react and respond to things."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Mafia is not a game of facts; it is a game of well-founded opinions and it is a game of logical arguments but it is not a game based on facts. You used a night kill as an example of solid information, but is it really that solid? If I die tonight, you don't know whether people are afraid of me because I'm an IC or they're using my horrible reads to frame others or they think they caught a PR crumb of mine or they have played with me before and want to do something they've done in a previous game that I was a part of; instead, you need to make an educated guess on what happened and why.In post 132, Lovesick wrote:There are no scum or town reads not ones which can be based from a logical stand point based on facts, ony ones made from opinion and thoughs. The only person I have ill feelings to are Nacho as i feel as though he is trying very hard to lead this game and is coming off as a little too strong for me however what have you had to offer which could be of serious use other than this bandwagon on me?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I think more precise unless you have reasoning behind not liking him repeating the same reasoning that I haven't addressed.In post 322, LicketyQuickety wrote:More precise or difference of opinion? There is not a clear cut answer here. It will be left to intuition. BTW, why do you keep defending the guy?
I keep defending him because I think your approach (especially in regards to him) is flawed."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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What were you referring to here?In post 142, ConnorJC wrote:What, is it normal for newbies to not even try to figure out what they're doing?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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This shouldn't be a significant concern of yours; trading one townie for the scumteam (which is typically what happens in those situations) is a trade that the Town is perfectly comfortable in making.In post 152, Rautherdir wrote:There are two scum. They could conceivably quickhammer. It would be a stupid move, but it's still a move that could happen."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Should I just be ignoring them instead?In post 328, ConnorJC wrote:
Post #141In post 326, Nachomamma8 wrote:
What were you referring to here?In post 142, ConnorJC wrote:What, is it normal for newbies to not even try to figure out what they're doing?
Man, you really like dragging up old posts."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Aiming to convince doesn't mean that you're forcing things through.In post 159, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I don't want to "force" anything. I am not Rampage.In post 155, Superhans wrote:LicketyQuickety, you've voted for Rautherdir. Would you want to convince others to do the same and why?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I'll catch up in full after work today; also leaving for Christmas vacation on Thursday (and have a bunch of stuff to do before then) so will probably have less access until that's over."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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LQ's 6 created more meaningful conversation than your self-vote did.TheDominator37 wrote:
Then what started it if my wagon didn't?In post 201, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I don't like this attempt to take credit for starting conversation; it should be obvious that very little (if any at all) discussion is centering around your self-vote.In post 110, TheDominator37 wrote:
It seems to be working rnIn post 23, Rautherdir wrote:The goal for day one is to create conversation. A self-vote doesn't really have the ability to do that. Which is why it's considered scummy to vote for yourself.
I also don't like the vote on Superhaus; seems like an easy vote to make with LQ backing you up.
Vote: TheDominator37"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Connor, why do you think that Dom is a bad line of pursuit? So far, the only contribution he's managed to make is attempting to take credit for starting the game, which doesn't really seem like a town mindset to me."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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If you think Dom has the greatest chance for flipping scum, you should probably vote him; keeping your vote somewhere doesn't mean that you can't use your words to look somewhere else.In post 561, ConnorJC wrote:
If we don't find anything better by the end of the day I'd happily lynch Dom; however, there's no point pressuring a player who's only posts are prod dodges when I could be looking for scum where I have information.In post 560, Nachomamma8 wrote:Connor, why do you think that Dom is a bad line of pursuit? So far, the only contribution he's managed to make is attempting to take credit for starting the game, which doesn't really seem like a town mindset to me."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Rauthedir, you should always always always hold off on claiming until L-1; occasionally you can risk waiting until intent is claimed before you say something if you trust the playerlist, but you should always at least be waiting until L-1."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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The reason why I think scum over "bad town player" based on his latest post is because of where his posting is focused. When Dom came to the thread, he thought that the most important thing that he could do was take credit for starting early discussion; a town playerIn post 379, ConnorJC wrote:Are you kidding me? I thought TheDom at least made 2 more posts, but I guess I read wrong.
TheDom is either a horrible town player or scum.probablywouldn't be interested in whether they started discussion or not; instead, they'd be worried about finding scum. What Dom's focus demonstrated is that he's more worried about his image than anything else, which is a sign of scum.
Some people hesitate more than others; this isn't necessarily alignment indicative.In post 390, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Reasons only go as far as you can throw them. If you think something is Scummy, vote it. Its this kind of attitude that is not typical of Townies.In post 387, Rautherdir wrote:Maybe. I would go after FancyPants, but he already gave a reason for his lack of voting."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Now that Rautherdir has gone through his claiming but not claiming song and dance, he is all but 100% confirmed town; scum claiming PR with so little pressure at this point and risking a counterclaim doesn't really make sense. Town claiming this early because they are afraid they will get hammered before they have the chance to speak does.In post 701, Lovesick wrote:
Possible. He's a new player who's currently fumbling on his words out of pressure being put on him.. I've seen it happen to town and scum and all sorts of roles that these players come out as.In post 696, ConnorJC wrote:@Lovesick, what are your thoughts on a town (maybe PR?) Rautherdir?
The more important thing here is how people would react to him making a claim on a power role."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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