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In post 6, LicketyQuickety wrote:As my first action, the cop is going to investigate Nachomamma8 and you are going to Town read me for saying such.
Hey LicketyQuickety,
Can you explain in more detail what you meant by this?
Thanks,
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I kinda wanted Lickety to respond, thanks ConnorJC. Lickety, perhaps you want to add more to you answer that it was a reaction. What have you observed from this reaction test?In post 53, ConnorJC wrote:
See #42.In post 49, Superhans wrote:LicketyQuickety I have asked you two questions:
1) What does IC mean. (Answered by Nachomma8 (thanks btw))
2) What do you mean with the cop thing.
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In post 62, ConnorJC wrote:
I think he was looking for someone to point out the fact that he looks like he has knowledge of the setup, but maybe I'm wrong.In post 57, Superhans wrote:
I kinda wanted Lickety to respond, thanks ConnorJC. Lickety, perhaps you want to add more to you answer that it was a reaction. What have you observed from this reaction test?In post 53, ConnorJC wrote:
See #42.In post 49, Superhans wrote:LicketyQuickety I have asked you two questions:
1) What does IC mean. (Answered by Nachomma8 (thanks btw))
2) What do you mean with the cop thing.
Instead of slapping a scum read on me, can you at least my 2nd question?
Again, I would like to point out that although I appreciate your response, I was really hoping I could get a response from Lickety for this one.
In addition to the first question, I've a new question for LicketyQuickety:
You imply frequently that you have alternative ways of playing the game and making reads. This is demonstrated by the posts:
In post 47, LicketyQuickety wrote:Yes, well, I don't read people in a traditional way.
And in your blurb thing you've written that "As someone with a creative pattern, you tend to seek unique accomplishments and innovative solutions. On the surface, you may seem to have a contradictory nature. ~Taken from my results regarding motivation from DISC personality test."In post 6, LicketyQuickety wrote:I don't want the responsibility of having to give "correct" theory. Reason for this is I tend to think outside the box a bit.
What do you think makes your game theory different to traditional game theory?
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I voted TheDominator37 because the game had started and there was no solid evidence to base a lynching.
I actually voted TheDominator37 just because he had happened to have voted for himself that I joked was a slightly scummy thing to do.
I'm unvoting because I'm fairly sure I'll be voting more constructively, (I have my eyes on ConnorJC and LQ). I also will be happy to focus on any lurkers (although will probably wait a bit longer before considering the Lurker Wagon).-
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Yeah I think that smiley face does seem pretty scummy now that you mention it.In post 114, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Scum post.In post 104, Superhans wrote:VOTE: Lovesick
Lovesick, I'll be super happy to unvote on the condition that you read through all the comments posted so far tell us your opinions on scum/town reads. Cheers
In all seriousness what I did may appear scummy, and perhaps I rushed too quickly onto the lurker Wagon. my reasoning was that if lots of people vote for someone who's lurking, they'll freak out when they log in, and play more aggressively.
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In post 113, Lovesick wrote:What's the cause of this bandwagon on me again? Inactivity? That's a bit unfair if you ask me considering i was asleep during all of the activity. (I wont be quoting posts because my only available source of playing this is my phone so I don't know how to format my posts with quotations on this particular forum)
Nachos, to answer your post where you had replied to me, it was simply a post of acknowledgement that we had started as I was out of town and I didn't have the time in my day to make a more decent reply than give (Whoever had asked about ICs) a brief explanation and an opinion/thought - not very contributive but it's the least i could do.
Now i wont continue with the excuses as the bottom line is that it was very inconvenient of the time the game started and when the activity had spiked up. So Nachos, how is it a good idea to start hunting for lurkers when 24 hours hasn't past, not giving the players enough time to post as they may have things going on in their lives or are simply asleep? Also for the others which had jumped the wagon on myself, explain to me what type of evidence are you trying to gather from this?
Personally in my opinion, the only right moment for lurker hunting is if they had contributed nothing at all and half of our given time has gone. I mean otherwise, hunting for lurkers is a very easy way of lynching players and if done right, can be an advantage to the scum more so than the town as the ratio of mafia to town is 2:7.
YO LOVESICK tell us your scum/town reads from reading all the posts you were 'lurking' (probably sleeping) through.-
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Hey TheDominator37 can you explain why you voted for me?
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In post 129, LicketyQuickety wrote:
1) You said you would unvote them once they posted, so not only is this a non-committal vote, but it defeats the purpose of the vote in the first place.In post 123, Superhans wrote:
Yeah I think that smiley face does seem pretty scummy now that you mention it.In post 114, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Scum post.In post 104, Superhans wrote:VOTE: Lovesick
Lovesick, I'll be super happy to unvote on the condition that you read through all the comments posted so far tell us your opinions on scum/town reads. Cheers
In all seriousness what I did may appear scummy, and perhaps I rushed too quickly onto the lurker Wagon. my reasoning was that if lots of people vote for someone who's lurking, they'll freak out when they log in, and play more aggressively.
In all seriousness, I was voting Lovesick to put pressure on him
2) You are asking something of someone that you haven't done adequately enough yourself ie. reads. You make it sound like the lurker should have definite stances at this point in the game, when you yourself are not doing anything close to that.
3) You make jokes about the smiley being Scummy when I actually didn't list any reasons for why I thought it was a Scummy post. You then go on to interpret why I read the post as Scummy, so you clearly know at least part of the reason for why it is Scummy, which leaves me wondering why you made the post in the first place as Town... Unless you knew it could be interpreted as Scummy when/shortly after you made the post, which is what I am thinking, which is why I think you are Scum.
4) The you give a second reason for your vote. This is over explaining your position. You were Sitting there thinking what you could say to defend yourself and prolly came up with the second bit first then went back and added more of an explanation to you vote which is what we see as the first reason. Either one of these answers wouldn't been too Scummy on their own, but put together, both saying about the same thing (one just more elaborate) and that makes for an over explanation and over explanations (in defence) are Scummy in my book.
I didn't say that I would unvote one Lovesick had posted. I said I would unvote once Lovesick had offered an original scum/town diagnosis.
Lovesick, sorry for messing up your pronoun (I feel like a complete div right now, if that makes you feel any better). Thanks for you scum read on Nacho,
UNVOTE: Lovesick
What have I offered so far? Well I have put pressure on you to create more content (although you may have done so anyways). I also said in post that I had my eyes on LQ and ConnorJC; not going as far as saying I think they are scum, but I found LQs starting gambit about cops annoying, annoying that LQ kept on saying he was thinking outside of the box, had non-traditional ways of reading, then scum reading me with no explanation. ConnorJC was baseless in hindsight (just annoyed he kept on answering my question to LQ). I would say ConnorJC reads as neither towny or scummy at this point.-
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Oh and heres a little compilation of all of TheDominators contributions so far:
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It seems to be working rnIn post 23, Rautherdir wrote:The goal for day one is to create conversation. A self-vote doesn't really have the ability to do that. Which is why it's considered scummy to vote for yourself.Domintaor you need to dominate the conversation a bit more.
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Lovesick did offer a contribution. She stated that Nacho is sketchy.In post 146, ConnorJC wrote:
But, Lovesick hasn't offered any reads/thoughts. Why the unvote?In post 136, Superhans wrote: I didn't say that I would unvote one Lovesick had posted. I said I would unvote once Lovesick had offered an original scum/town diagnosis.
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UNVOTE: LoveSick
As a matter of fact, Lovesick's only contributions are defending herself. Not one post actively participating in the 'find scum' part of mafia.
VOTE: LoveSick(L-2)
I said I'd jump off the Lovesick Wagon once Lovesick offered some original and judgemental content.
@Lovesick + everyone else, can we brainstorm the possibility of Nachomamma, an IC, being mafia. Is this likely, anyone getting any Town reads off of him.
Personal opinion is that I find Nacho unsettling because of how calculating he seems (post #64 for instance) but it isn't logical, more of a gut feeling.-
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In post 196, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Well, I am Town reading Lovesick for it, so there is that.In post 194, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I expect the "combine our efforts" phraseology gave away pretty solidly what the purpose of the vote was, and Superhaus's assertion that he'd unvote when Lovesick gave content showed that he picked up on that purpose. It would be a scummy change of mindset of what he made was a vote with the intention of lynching, but that pretty clearly wasn't the case.In post 105, LicketyQuickety wrote:That's a fast change mate, mind explaining?In post 197, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Well, It gave me a Town read that you don't disagree with.In post 190, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Well, you made a post that looked sketchy (in particular, by pretending to have knowledge of a cop in the game) in order to generate information. That is bullshitting.In post 105, LicketyQuickety wrote:What makes you think I was BS with the cop thing? I did it to generate content as well as making a true statement (if the is a cop and its not you) as well as a reaction test. Tell me what is "BS" about that?
Your suggestion to have the cop investigate me was also something that I thought you were lying about because it's remarkably short-sighted; cop wants to investigate people who will be alive; if I am scum and you don't feel you can catch me on play, you can catch me by my partner's play and you can catch me by forming town blocks; wasting an investigative role on someone who scum probably needs to shoot eventually is silly.In post 198, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Well, I am terrible at proper play.In post 192, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Asking someone what they are doing when they are doing something confusing is not fishing; it's proper play.In post 105, LicketyQuickety wrote:You are a (slight [which you misinterpreted]) Scum read for fishing for info in a way that is not clearly town mindset. You are smart which is why I am saying this.
Is it just me, or does anyone else struggle to understand what LicketyQuickety is actually saying? You're really confusing me, just be more specific with your comments.
What town read did it give you that Nacho agrees with?
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In post 105 LQ also said I was intelligent (I thought this was a classic example of brown nosing at the time).In post 217, ConnorJC wrote:
If you genuinely think so, sure. But just to clarify: if you're scum, complimenting me isn't going to get me to townread you.In post 215, LicketyQuickety wrote:
You will make a fine smith one day.In post 213, ConnorJC wrote:
Wait, am I following nacho's votes? I didn't intend to do so.In post 211, Lovesick wrote:
Here's the wagon. Why not pressure other players instead of chasing after the ones Nacho keeps picking? It seems to be a trend of yours to do so. Obviously this cant just be you siding with a scum buddy but why waste time on the same person rather than pursue on other players' cases?In post 205, ConnorJC wrote:I like keeping the pressure in inactive players to give us some content. I can't read what I can't read.
For now I'll keep LoveSick in the back of my mind. I'd like to see more scumhunting and less self-defense from her, though.
UNVOTE: LoveSick
VOTE: TheDominator37
I've been scumreading dom for awhile now, and its lack of content is starting to look scummier and scummier.
You like brown nosing LQ?In post 105, LicketyQuickety wrote: Connor is a Town read for jumping the gun and trying to get result before anything is conclusive. You are a (slight [which you misinterpreted]) Scum read for fishing for info in a way that is not clearly town mindset. You are smart which is why I am saying this.-
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Finding Lovesick insufferable, but that doesn't mean she is mafia, just a terrible townie.In post 220, Rautherdir wrote:Superhans, anyone you think is mafia/town right now?
TheDominator is mafia (not an original insight).
LQ is definitely snakelike, but not sure that makes him mafia. Slightly scum leaning I would say for now.-
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@ConnorJC, I'm struggling to keep up with Lovesicks constant barrage of waffle about how innocent she is.
Lovesick, no one cares about you being a lurker.
No one cares that you think it was a bad strategy to gang up on a random lurker (btw I think the strategy was kinda harmless).
Please can your next post have some original insight on who you suspect could be town/mafia.
What do you think about Rautherdir and the LQ vote?
In post 233, Rautherdir wrote:For a variety of reasons, I would like to VOTE: LicketyQuickety
I'll have to leave for a bit, give me questions and I'll answer them in an hour or two.
^ You're such a tease Rautherdir
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There are four different situations with the upcoming Rautherdir vs LicketyQuickety fight.
1) R is scum, trying to appear town-ish by using potentially broken logic to trick the town into lynching LQ.
2) R is town and LQ is scum and the logic he is working with is valid.
3) R is town and LQ is town (most likely), the argument will hopefully yield good content though.
4) Both R and LQ are mafia trying a really cliche technique of pretending to fight each other to gain town trust.
I personally think number 3 is most likely, and number 4 least likely, but wouldn't be surpised if 1/2 is the case.
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Million dollar question, is Lovesick a genius mafia, or goofiest townie ever?
^"I never do reads day one" & "We get cozy and make slowly introduce our playstyles".In post 157, Lovesick wrote: Also Connor, by logical i mean with evidence from night phases which we can use to deduce and conclude things with ease other than make assumptions purely made on the first few posts in Day 1. Normally (At least where i played) Day 1 is a warm up, we get cozy and slowly introduce our playstyles to eachother hence my not so contribution to the actual objective. As also as a norm, I never do reads day 1 because it's too early to judge, too early to analyse, deduce, conclude and speak so confidently about my own thoughts when it comes to other players however I do understand why that may not be the case here because of the length of the days which personally i think is ridiculous but also logical in its own ways
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I mean its not that difficult to come up with a case for you Lickety. I may agree with lots of the stuff Rautherdir has to say.In post 266, LicketyQuickety wrote:5) they never come up with a case, which is basically a Scum claim in my book.-
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Asking in depth questions =/= pursuing, and asking multiple people questions, and scum hunting different people doesn't mean that I'm not going to follow up.In post 271, Lovesick wrote:
I particularly don't think anyone is leaning town or mafia as of right now, however there are certain parts of people's playstyles which make me wary/cautious of themIn post 256, ConnorJC wrote:After rereading the posts that just came in, I know don't think that Lovesick is as town. I'd say maybe leaning town.
@Lovesick, please provide some of your own reads.
Superhans - His very switchy behaviour where he hops from one thing to another, almost indecisively and usually dropping down on the people which he pursues after minimal effort ( Almost as if trying to blend town but trying to not get involved too much )
Connor - Continues to request reads from people after providing minimal ones himself, pursuing after players which are already being pursued. In my opinion following after Nacho a bit too much
Rautherdir - Justifying actions of others through Nacho's words and playstyle which I think is never justifiable as it is a preferred playstyle rather than something which should be followed.
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@ConnorJC, which of LicketyQuickety's do you disagree with?
@LicketyQuickety, please can you stop confusing players, its not going to help anybody bar you. It just slows down how quickly people can read all the comments, and make people more inclined to skipping through them and potentially missing clues.-
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Nacho, we've kinda moved on from discussing the Lovesick Wagon, as it wasn't really that fruitful.In post 292, Nachomamma8 wrote:
You keep framing the wagons like they have no purpose unless they are perfectly justified - nothing in mafia will be perfectly justified. Oftentimes you will catch scum for the wrong reasons. Content generation is about putting people in positions where they will have alignment-relevant reactions; maybe everyone votes you and you simply flake out (not alignment indicative), or maybe you get fired up and try to read the people voting you (what you did). I'm fine with giving people room as far as lynching is concerned, but I have no problems with pursuing a lead whenever and wherever I might find them.In post 113, Lovesick wrote:So Nachos, how is it a good idea to start hunting for lurkers when 24 hours hasn't past, not giving the players enough time to post as they may have things going on in their lives or are simply asleep? Also for the others which had jumped the wagon on myself, explain to me what type of evidence are you trying to gather from this?-
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Scum read.In post 297, LicketyQuickety wrote: I'm not hiding them, they are just too hard to say.
Kinda think my English teacher actually described the English language as being limited by the imagination, not limited by how "outside-of-the-box" your methods are.
Explain, also explain clearly (because you also have a habit of confusing everyone with even the simplest comments).
I don't care how long your explanation is, as long as it is sincere, and makes some sense.
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Huge amounts of arguments in which Lovesick was ONLY commenting large amounts of defensive content, and not actually offering anything original at all.In post 302, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Why wasn't it fruitful?In post 296, Superhans wrote:Nacho, we've kinda moved on from discussing the Lovesick Wagon, as it wasn't really that fruitful.-
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@Nachomamma8, in answer to your questions on why isn't it fruitful to talk about the Lovesick Wagon and my reads on Lovesick.
Lovesick's first comment was:
Calling for more activity, yet offering nothing herself to help initiate the activity. After the Lovesick wagon, she certainly provides content, but it the kind of content that clogs up your drains and makes sewege spill out of your toilet when you try and flush:In post 13, Lovesick wrote:ICs can be any alignment I believe, they're here to help the new, troubled players with the ways things work and etc however no more than that - correct me if I'm wrong though. Hopefully we have a spike of activity at one point otherwise this game may get difficult.
#113 Game theory & Defensive talk.
#131 Game theory.
#132 <-- After this I remove my vote on her for her scum readings on you (or so I thought)
#157 Buuut her next post actually takes back what I thought was a scum reading on you
Post 157 also contains this nice little passage which I have already commented on in #268
#160 Actually a scum read on me, which would be good, but I don't think contributes that much, as there is no examples, or further evidence.
#163 Game theory.
#165 Game theory.
#166 Game theory.
#173 Game theory.
#180 Game theory.
#207 Scum read on me, but also not very in depth. & Defensive
#211 Scum read on Nacho, but honestly its really not very deep.
#216 n/a
#223 Game theory.
#226 Game theory.
#229 Game theory.
#231 Defensive
#236 Game theory.
#237 Game theory.
#241 Game theory / Defensive (?)
#244 Good questions.
#248 n/a
#251 n/a
#261 n/a
#271 Scum read on me for being too jumpy, doesn't expand upon this. Has reads on Nacho, Connor and Rauth.
#272 Game theory.
#276 Defensive.
I whipped this list up quickly, and Game theory is a really really loose term, basically I used it to label her posts that didn't analyse other peoples comments, didn't ask other people questions or offer reads. If Lovesick implicitly mentioned someone as being scummy/towny/suspicious etc I put the scum read next to it.
You can see that most of the posts are on game theory.
Common Lovesick Game Theory Themes
By game theory I just mean discussions that are often imho not very constructive and look into the best way we should be playing the game.
Lovesick emphasises:
* Playing it slowly on other servers.
* Whether you should target multiple suspicious players at once
* Whether it is productive to target lurking players.
I basically disagree with most of what Lovesick believes. I think that early game lurk wagons are a good idea, Lovesick doesn't;
Lovesick is playing it far too safe for my liking, and even though she does make scum reads, they are all 'on the fence' scum reads, like Superhans you're suspious for x reason, but I need more evidence.
If Lovesick thinks I'm suspicious she should interrogate me, or provide quotes as evidence or offer examples of my "jumpy behaviour".
tldr
I think that Lovesick is town, but is offering virtually nothing of value to the conversation. I think she is town just because of how defensive she became when we were on the Lovesick-is-a-lurker wagon.
I thought that she had made a scum read on you in post 132, but when then takes it back, saying it wasn't a serious suspicion.
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Story sounds great, but I actually don't care to read it, because I can't see how it can be that relevant to this game. Although Mafia is a complex game, the fundamental idea of the game is very simple, and honestly what is the point of that story?In post 343, LicketyQuickety wrote:
OK, so story time (yay!) When I first started playing the game, I got Scum read... a lot. I was lynched Day 1 8 times out of my first 16 games. People never understood my logic, barring few, and the ones who understood, really understood - they knew exactly where I was coming from and how to interpret my posts. Fast forward ~8ish months. I start seeing myself get Town read, not dying so early so often and generally having decent reads. Made it to late game a few times in my career and I am rarely wrong in Lylo as Town (never made it to Lylo as Scum). IDK when this was, but at some point when I was playing a Mafia game that was not really a Mafia game and I was 3p, I found that I am not too bad at breaking the system. My win con for that game is seen here:In post 300, Superhans wrote:
Scum read.In post 297, LicketyQuickety wrote: I'm not hiding them, they are just too hard to say.
Kinda think my English teacher actually described the English language as being limited by the imagination, not limited by how "outside-of-the-box" your methods are.
Explain, also explain clearly (because you also have a habit of confusing everyone with even the simplest comments).
I don't care how long your explanation is, as long as it is sincere, and makes some sense.
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I only had an inclination to it looking back, but this was really the game that I learned just how crazy I could play and not get Lynched/NKed. At the very start of the game I claimed that I was a treestump who got a passive guilty on someone N0. That person was lynched, while I was not. I ended up actually investigating myself and NKing my partner fulfilling my win con IDK when I did the curd thing but I think it was N1 or N2.Welcome to DragonCon, TheQuickOne!
You are the Indestructible 3p. That's right, YOU CANNOT DIE. (Unless you are modkilled. Don't make me!) Wincon is to be hit by a kill, investigated, and successfully target someone to protect them from Con Crud. You may choose one target to protect each cycle.
You are now a part of the Third Party team. You can hang out with them during the day here: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/svsEDj2CzWC
You are sharing a room here: Room E - http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/HRnquyjjFCXXS
Your Roommates:
StaceofBass
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You must choose a daytime destination in here no later than two hours before phase change. Violators will be fined and locked in the basement with the unwashed carriers of con funk. Or worse.
You have $100 to spend. You may borrow and lend, or buy, sell, and trade with other players.
All actions, day or night, must be in bold so I can find them easily, thank you very much.
I was then stuck in no man's land for a long time, not really knowing how to use my weird style to my advantage. Suffice to say, I now play in a way where I know people are either going to get what I am saying, or they are not. The ones that don't I am going to try and learn how to use subliminal messaging to get them to understand what I am saying.
I'm sure you're a creative genius, but honestly when you mention "Subliminal messaging" I couldn't help but snort with laughter. The only Subliminal messages you are sending to me with this post is that you think we're too stupid to understand your reads, which is why you couldn't possibly even consider explaining them.
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I will unvote once you explain in DEPTH (two pages of A4 handwritten (thats four sides)) ofwhy you had a townread on ConnorJC post #30(waay back)-
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Solid outside of the box analysis you have there Dr Freud.
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Basically your read is just gut, then... hmmm.
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Can you back it up?In post 47, LicketyQuickety wrote:Yes, well, I don't read people in a traditional way.
If you have reasoning that trends outside the box, then that's "non-traditional".
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What do you mean by this. Can you be less cryptic please.In post 353, LicketyQuickety wrote:Correct, Forceful, At Ease.-
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I don't find it that surprising. Lovesick was very anti-lurk-lynching (just see how angry she is that we are picking on random lurkers)In post 400, ConnorJC wrote:I'm reviewing LoveSick's ISO at the moment. I'm early into analyzing the posts, but as far as I can see LoveSick has defended TheDom a lot. I find this weird because TheDom has contributed very little, so I wonder why LoveSick would prop it up so much. This could be a response to getting hammered pretty hard as a lurker herself though.
However, if Lovesick continues to defend TheDominator, it could be a very legitimate scum read.In post 113, Lovesick wrote:What's the cause of this bandwagon on me again? Inactivity? That's a bit unfair if you ask me considering i was asleep during all of the activity. (I wont be quoting posts because my only available source of playing this is my phone so I don't know how to format my posts with quotations on this particular forum)
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Now i wont continue with the excuses as the bottom line is that it was very inconvenient of the time the game started and when the activity had spiked up. So Nachos, how is it a good idea to start hunting for lurkers when 24 hours hasn't past, not giving the players enough time to post as they may have things going on in their lives or are simply asleep? Also for the others which had jumped the wagon on myself, explain to me what type of evidence are you trying to gather from this?
Personally in my opinion, the only right moment for lurker hunting is if they had contributed nothing at all and half of our given time has gone. I mean otherwise, hunting for lurkers is a very easy way of lynching players and if done right, can be an advantage to the scum more so than the town as the ratio of mafia to town is 2:7.-
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@LicketyQuickety
Regarding posts: 363, 364, and 365.
In these posts we are looking at your Town read of ConnorJC, in post 30.
So you think that ConnorJC is "coming on too strong" and that this constitutes as a town read. What does 'coming on too strong' actually mean? Is it just because of how quickly ConnorJC scum read you in 27?In post 363, LicketyQuickety wrote: Lets talk about this shall we? Do you think someone coming on too strong is a Town tell that cannot be faked?
What do you mean "swinging out of the game" is this the same as "coming on too strong"? What do you mean by positive and negative can you elaborate your logic. If coming on too strong is always a townie tell then why would it not be very reliable, you contradict yourself within a sentence.In post 364, LicketyQuickety wrote: When a Player comes out swinging out of the game, the positive is ALWAYS a Town tell. The negative is much more subdued when faking it, therefore, coming on too strong is ALWAYS a Townie reaction at least if not a very reliable Town tell.
Why write 'ofc you have to account for the said [...] this can be done through analysing word choice' when you haven't even bothered to quote anything that Connor wrote, or comment on it.In post 365, LicketyQuickety wrote:And Ofc you have to account for the said person coming on too strong and this can be done through analyzing word choice and narrative. So if you disagree with my assessment, provide your reasons and we can talk about it.WHICHword do you personally find interesting and used to make your town read?
Also instead of writing "The said person coming on too strong" just write "ConnorJC coming on too strong", doing it this way is less confusing.
I find this comment the most worrying
Psychology is actually a science, and although it certainly isn't as black and white as a discipline such as maths, there is no way you can justify not explaining something because it is based on psychology.In post 376, LicketyQuickety wrote:
And there is a tiny thing that could make me Town read you more for this post. I am already given pause because of this post. I can explain the reason, but like a lot of times, people are not going to understand how that is valid logic because it is based on psychology and not facts.In post 373, Rautherdir wrote:What are your reasons to vote me LQ?-
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LicketyQuickety, just so you know, I would much prefer it if you did have some original ways to determine scum/town reads, it would make the town's job much easier. I guess I'm coming across so scathing here as I am disappointed and frustrated that your logic so far has just gut feeling. Everyone has gut feeling, and I think it is very valuable, but just please please please state it is gut feeling. If you genuinely analysed word choice, analysed tone etc please pull together the sentences you used to make this assessment and comment on what you find suspicious, what they mean from your standpoint as a player who looks at psychology.In post 359, LicketyQuickety wrote:
You found a contradiction in my play, good for you.In post 355, Superhans wrote:Solid outside of the box analysis you have there Dr Freud.
UNVOTE: LicketyQuickety
Basically your read is just gut, then... hmmm.
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Can you back it up?In post 47, LicketyQuickety wrote:Yes, well, I don't read people in a traditional way.
If you have reasoning that trends outside the box, then that's "non-traditional".
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I'm getting Town reads on Toblerone based mainly because his content is transparent, and also seemingly pro-Town (although its too early in the game for this to be a reliable read).
By transparent I mean that he isn't cryptic like LQ, or waffling/off topic like Lovesick. I like that fact that he backed me up when I said I didn't understand half of what LQ is saying, and promoting clarity is what a town player would want to do.
The post that we may want to be addressing is 335:
^@Toblerone, Apologies on behalf of all of us who may have neglected your analysis. Please re-post any of your views, or suggest any new scum/town reads that you may have.In post 335, toblerone187 wrote:I have to be honest, you guys (and gal) are losing me with all these arguments and hypothesis
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ConnorJC, can you answer my first question too,In post 416, ConnorJC wrote:
I don't think that anybody could get another player lynched right now, except maybe a really stupid quickhammer from both scum.In post 411, Superhans wrote:@ConnorJC,
Why do you think Nacho is scum?
Also considering his vast experience, and how logical he has been (so far), do you think that if he were actually scum, we would have a chance of proving it, and lynching him?
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Read posts 350, 351 and 355. Throughout the game LQ has stated he uses original techniques to derive his reads, I called him out and asked him to actually attempt to explain what these techniques were – LQ was unable to do so, as he basically is just making gut reads.In post 439, ConnorJC wrote:
Where is everyone getting this LQ's reads are 100% gut reaction thing from? His posts can be confusing though, I wish he'd clarify - as his reasoning appears to be good, just his way of saying it is bad.In post 432, toblerone187 wrote:- frankly I simply cannot understand half of what he is saying. His posts are confusing and full of game theory and Self-aggrandisement. IMO this does not help town at all. And after all the "non-traditional methods" crap it turns out he just uses gut reactions! Well welcome to the club - I'm a noob and that is what I do! No real read because I find reading his posts boring and confusing but gut reaction is that he is trying to bury town under a moutain of "paperwork" therefore scum. I don;t think he is helping town hunt scum.LicketyQuickety
Is this Scum play? In my opinion, not necessarily. Just looking at LQ’s bio reveals that he thinks he’s creative, and I doubt LQ actually realises that a hazy amateur “Guess-estimation” of someone’s alignment based on skimming through their posts doesn’t count as a psychological analysis.-
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My Town read on Toblerone hasn’t changed, although I disagree with lots of his reads in post 432.
I agree with Toblerone’s read on TheDominator, I think everyone agree Dom is scummy so this isn’t original in any way.
I agree with Toblerone that LicketyQuickety is very difficult to play with, but I like LicketyQuickety’s display of logic in post 447.
^ Like this very articulate explanation, if you (LQ) could keep up explanations that are this simple I would be much more inclined to trust you.In post 447, LicketyQuickety wrote:
He says "So you're saying" and follows that up with an assumption on the motive of my play.In post 27, ConnorJC wrote:
So you're saying you would want a cop to come out day 2 and tell the mafia who they are?In post 6, LicketyQuickety wrote: As my first action, the cop isgoingto investigate Nachomamma8 and you are going to Town read me for saying such.
Doesn't seem like town play to me
VOTE: LicketyQuicketyHe is coming on strong here because there is an incredible amount of intent behind him saying this.He is basically saying "I just caught you trying to out the Cop!" but he says it in a way that shows how he got to that conclusion in an attempt to influence others to agree with his point.
He then makes a comment "Doesn't seem like a town play to me." This language used here is downplayed showing he is so secure in his statement that he doesn't feel the need to butter it up and that the statement speaks for itself.
Then he votes me thinking there is no more explanation needed.
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I agree with you that Rautherdir’s reasoning was patchy, but then so was LicketyQuickety’s reasoning for voting Rautherdir.
I’m finding it difficult to read Nacho because of how confident he is, and also being IC he is taking such a leading role that there aren’t really any Scum reads, yet. I find the idea that Nacho may be Scum very very unsettling as being such an experienced player I’d imagine it would be very difficult to realise it.
Need more content from FancyPants.
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I feel that ConnorJC fighting Lovesick on the theory that Lovesick and TheDominator could both be mafia is kinda far-fetched. Not saying that they couldn't but I think ConnorJC is over-reading Lovesick defending Dom.
ConnorJC in post 413 Lovesick denounces TheDominator.
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Dude I understand that your play involves loosely explaining yourself, sure. My real problem was that a lot of the time I don't understand you or that following your logic is very difficult.
As you and Lovesick have identified I can't change how you play, so I'll have to put up with it to an extent. I didn't think a reply to your retort was that necessary.-
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LQ ur seriously thick. (ill be posting quality shit in a minute)
I do like your music choice though.
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